Developing Suggestions

Developing Suggestions

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Suggestions

Scent Hunt

Timestamp: Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 18:15, 20 April 2010 (BST)

Type: Skill Change

Scope: Zombies

Description: Currently, Scent Blood and Scent Trail are two seperate skills, both subskills of Scent Fear. this suggestion would propose merging them in to one skill, Scent Hunt. Details below. Current System: Scent Fear: Scent Blood (The HP values and infection status of nearby survivors are displayed next to their name.) Scent Trail (Zombie is able to sense the new positions of survivors it's had recent contact with.) Each costs 100XP. I'm proposing that instead of 2 skills, they become one zombie skill, in the same position. Although both offer a significant tactical advantage, I don't consider that they give enough of an advantage to warrant costing 100 additional XP. As such, I'd suggest that they are joined, as Scent Hunt, giving both skills for only 100XP. Everybody with both would now only have the one skill, and would be refunded 100XP. Everybody with one would now have the full skill, and would not recieve a refund. Everybody without either skill would be unaffected. Thoughts?

Discussion (Scent Hunt)

So, for the cost of one skill, we not only get the equivalent of a super-Diagnosis skill (since it can track infections too), but we also get a homing device? I think you can see where I'm going with this. I think we already get our money's worth on those two skills as it is. —Aichon— 19:18, 20 April 2010 (BST)

Have you ever used Scent Trail?--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 19:19, 20 April 2010 (BST)

Yep. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 19:39, 20 April 2010 (BST)

Would you say it's worth spending an additional 100 experience on?--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 19:43, 20 April 2010 (BST)

Yes. Say you're an organised horde, perhaps maintaining a ruin, if a group of survivors were trying to evict you over a few days, you would have multiple sources of information telling you exactly where they were holing up each day. Then you could organise a timed strike and eat them all. Or if you were in a perma death city, its an absolute must have. Those survivors in Borehamwood don't even go near a zombie unless they know they can kill it. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 19:56, 20 April 2010 (BST)

Excellent point on the death cities. I guess I didn't consider the co-ordinated strike side of it because I feral as a zombie.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 20:12, 20 April 2010 (BST)

As Ross said, yep. While we don't do it often, there have been times that I've been DNA Extracted on my MOB alt and have been able to point out the building for our strike team to hit when we get done with our scheduled target for the day. Other times, I've followed the trail and found a building that was already opened up by the MOB's feral cloud. There's nothing quite so satisfying as demanding your DNA back in zombie speak, before eating the survivor's brains. —Aichon— 20:21, 20 April 2010 (BST)

As ross and aichon. I just don't think putting the two skills together would be such a good idea. It feels slightly off balance (powerwise) to have them roleed up into one skill. but I get your drift. --Jack Kolt ^Talk|Chars 02:32, 21 April 2010 (BST)

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Improve Diagnosis

Timestamp: V darkstar 13:31, 20 April 2010 (BST)

Type: Skill Improvement

Scope: Evreyone

Description: We all know that you can't diagnose a survivor in a dark building, however I recently discovered that you also can't diagnose a survivor OUTSIDE a dark building. I suggest that anyone with diagnosis can see the health of a survivor outside a dark building.

Discussion (Improve Diagnosis)

Bug. - User:Whitehouse 13:45, 20 April 2010 (BST)

As Whitehouse, this is a bug regarding the tagging of locations as dark. Kevan will get to it in time. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 13:46, 20 April 2010 (BST)

yeah right...--Arthur Dent BIN LADEN IS DEAD!!!!! 14:35, 20 April 2010 (BST)

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Caffine Pills

Timestamp: BlackDragon2026 23:35, 17 April 2010 (BST)

Type: New Item

Scope: Survivors

Description: Similar to beer or wine, except that this consumable item, found mainly in mall drug stores or police and fire stations will give an AP increase, while your health decrease slightly every time you take a pill. Each box of caffine pills can have 5 to 10 pills, and each pill, which takes no AP to digest, will increase one AP and decrease one health. Drug stores would have these for sale, while EMS personnel at fire stations and police officers on night shift would have them in their lockers.

Discussion (Caffine Pills)

My death-cultist would gladly pack some. Health degradation not just for free, but for extra AP? Amazing parachutes could be done by that... --Spiderzed 23:40, 17 April 2010 (BST)

My thoughts exactly. A pack of 5 or 10 of these, as you say, plus an infection, halves the amount of AP expended dying in a parachute. I like it but it's powerful. Gain 1 AP, lose 5 HP, doses found individually (flavour it as taking several pills at once, rather than finding individual pills), then they'd probably balance out more. I'd vote for them in a watered-down form, as I'd find great use for them. 23:44, 17 April 2010 (BST)

Could allow for massive AP usage in a single burst. Overpowered. - User:Whitehouse 23:41, 17 April 2010 (BST)

Upon use: Gain 5AP, doesn't take any to eat. The next five AP using actions: Nothing unusual. The next five AP using actions: Costs double the normal AP. It all stacks, so if you eat four pills, you get 20AP, make 20 Normal moves, and then have the hangover last for 20 moves. But of corse, it would never work, like anything that afects AP. --VVV ^RPMBG 00:23, 18 April 2010 (BST)

If this was implemented, I would stock up my inventory half full with these, and half full with bottles of wine. Then, for the next month, I'd play non-stop, Using the extra AP from this healing the 1HP cost.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 00:28, 18 April 2010 (BST)

00:34, 18 April 2010 (BST)

You might want to image ark that somewhere. :/ --Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 00:36, 18 April 2010 (BST)

Done. Ain't nobody deleting mah Belushi. 00:49, 18 April 2010 (BST)

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Serum Scentsativity

Timestamp:  Swiers 16:28, 17 April 2010 (BST)

Type: zombie skill

Scope: zombies

Description: A scent-tree skill directly under Scent Fear that allows zombies to pick up the scent of Necrotech facilities, allowing them to see them on the map as if they had NecroTech Employment. Skill would allow zombies that buy Brain Rot early in their career to be fully equal to level 43 zombies. Would be a trans-mortal skill (mainly to make coding easier, as it could use the same code as NecroTech Employment); if revived, the character could still identify NecroTech buildings, but would NOT be able to revive zombies or use a DNA scanner.

Discussion (Serum Scentsativity)

I was considering making this a sub-skill to Brain Rot, since its mostly for use by rotters, but Scent makes more sense, and there's no reason to NOT put it there, that I can see.  Swiers 16:29, 17 April 2010 (BST)

There was something similar mentioned here maybe two weeks ago. I had suggested that it label NTs on the map and replace NecroTech Employment's flavour text with something scent-based, such as "You are standing outside the Muller Building. A harsh chemical smell hangs in the air." I'd be all over it being added. 16:34, 17 April 2010 (BST)

I think this is a dupe of something Iscariot suggested a while back, but under a different tree.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 16:39, 17 April 2010 (BST)

Here's the link.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 00:18, 18 April 2010 (BST)

My time machine works, it's 2009 all over again. Time to place bets on Brawn and Button! -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 18:20, 17 April 2010 (BST)

I like this idea, maybe the zombies have evolved to be able to smell that "funny smell" coming from the NT buildings and thus it would be either shown on the death map, or it would be worded in the description box. --Dirty 23:55, 17 April 2010 (BST)

I'd support it, navigation ability should be equal for both sides. - User:Whitehouse 00:12, 18 April 2010 (BST)

It should, but it does look like an exact dupe of Suggestion:20090201_Scent_Enemy. Anyhow, its such a minor tweak (very few zombies don't get the chance to buy NTE) that it's probably not worth voting on again.  Swiers 03:01, 18 April 2010 (BST)

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FAK'S as Weapon's

Timestamp: User:Scvideoking 22:42, 15 April 2010 (BST)

Type: skill

Scope: Survivors.

Description:This would be a skill that allows you to actually use a FAK as a weapon I know this sounds crazy but hear me out.A FAK is common so this would basicly give 2 damage with a 10% chance of hit And other skills like melee proficency will also help attack percentage by the same amount they do general wepons. This would not cause DSR and pretty resonable and after about 15 succeful hits the kit would break. The KIT not anything inside it What do you think?--scvideoking Discussion (FAKs as Weapons) What I think is that you are not Swiers. 22:48, 15 April 2010 (BST) I no im srry i copied teh layout from him and forgot to remove that —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Scvideoking (talk • contribs) at an unknown time. You shouldn't copy it. You should follow the instructions at the top of the page instead. —Aichon— 01:22, 16 April 2010 (BST) A down-powered dupe of knife, which (if found in an Infirmary) can be described as "a large scalpel".  Swiers 01:01, 16 April 2010 (BST) Are you going to poke me in the eye with it? Its a med kit, have you ever seen a basic med kit? Your better putting a band aid over my eye then actually hurting me with one. --    Timmah!     Talk   01:03, 16 April 2010 (BST) Yes I've seen one and you could beat the hell out of someone with them but they would probly break —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Scvideoking (talk • contribs) at an unknown time. Most are made of either cloth or plastic. You'd be better of using the scissors. --VVV RPMBG 06:24, 16 April 2010 (BST) Those safety pins they use to fasten bandages could be dangerous in the wrong hands... Chief Seagull squawk don't mess with the Seagull! 10:30, 16 April 2010 (BST) Yeah sure, you can have FAKs as weapons. Provided of course that my death cultist gets to use empty syringes as weapons, air in the blood stream and the survivor in question drops dead of a brain embolism some time in the next 50AP. Obviously these can't be fixed with FAKs and it doesn't work on zombies. Sound fair to you? -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 10:40, 16 April 2010 (BST) I (as a death-cultist player) totally want those empty syringes. Now that would finally balance the AP race between reviving and killing. --Spiderzed 13:13, 16 April 2010 (BST) In all seriousness.... I would probably vouch for something along these lines, especially if the survivor side needed to take a new skill to avoid it and even that didn't work in the most important building! --Honestmistake 14:18, 16 April 2010 (BST) In Half Life, you hit someone with a FAK, don't you heal them? This would be much better. Would add flavour to ye olde healing system. DDR hit you. It healed 10 Damage. --         13:22, 16 April 2010 (BST) this is intresting, maybe if your infected and you use a fak on another survior it infects them? that could possibly be game breaking though.--Dirty 21:54, 16 April 2010 (BST) i just relized how dumb my idea was--Dirty 21:56, 16 April 2010 (BST) In L4D, you can kill infected with a medkit. That is because you have to "hold" items and if attacked you can swing it as a weapon. That doesn't work in Urban Dead because you don't "hold" items. And, even if you DID, I don't see a medikit doing more damage than a newspaper. And 15 hits is too much.--Pesatyel 17:38, 18 April 2010 (BST) Metal box + Head = bad day--Arthur Dent BIN LADEN IS DEAD!!!!! 14:38, 20 April 2010 (BST) Scouting skill Timestamp:  Swiers 15:55, 15 April 2010 (BST) Type: skill, survivor Scope: Improves binocular use, at the cost of using more AP and not granting quite as much info. Description: The Scouting Skill would provide a new action when using binoculars. Instead of the simple 1 AP use, you'd get a 3 AP option to view a 5x5 area centered 3 squares N/S/E/W. The view of this 5x5 area would look a bit like the Necronet Report, except that it would indicate aproximate numbers (indicated as "5+/0+", with the number being 50%-100% of the actual outdoor presence) of both survivors and zombies, as well as powered and ruined buildings. The intent of this skill is to give experienced survivors an information gathering skill on par with Scent Death. If its to powerful, I was thinking it might ONLY work in buildings that have cell tower masts, as Cell Towers are positioned so as to maximize altitude / LOS. This would have the added benefit of making cell masts more relevant to the game, as currently they only play a role in cell phone use, which is pretty pointless. Discussion (Scouting Skill) Yes, if this went to voting, I'd work up some sort of visual representation of the "view" effect.  Swiers 15:56, 15 April 2010 (BST) I like it, but i would use the phone masts for scouting rather than any tall building, also I would kill the percents or make them like 75%-125% closely centered at 100%--V darkstar 16:10, 15 April 2010 (BST) Yeah, phone masts only seems best, after some thought. The idea on the numbering was that a skilled scout wouldn't over-count (he can tell which individuals he counted) but can't see everybody (individuals could be around corners, behind walls, etc.) Flat distribution helps make in less predictable, as seems realistic. Remember, this isn't actually an overhead view like you'd get from a chopper, and even the EMRPs are pretty vague. Oh, and I guess this should show the number of corpses, too, though I don't think binocular use currently gives that info.  Swiers 01:09, 16 April 2010 (BST) So you're expanding the current 3x3 grid to a 5x5? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 09:03, 16 April 2010 (BST) Sounds too powerful. Also, swiers would turn it into some sort of mega binocular map and we don't want to go there.--GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 13:28, 16 April 2010 (BST) Nah, I wouldn't bother with this one, though somebody else (UDbrain / DEMon programmers) might. Scent Death works well for "full city scouting" because you can grab an entire suburb's worth of data (plus some) with one AP, and can do it from any (outdoor) location, without needing to take any precautions to stay alive. Getting equivalent coverage via scouting would cost 12 AP, and is trickier because you can't do it when dead. Also, the "Cell Tower only" limitation combines with the (relatively) small 5x5 view means there would always be "dead spots"; roughly speaking, a 3x3 patch at each of a suburb's 4 "corners", combining to make a 6x6 area where 4 burbs come together. That's 36% of the map scouting could NEVER let you see, with no building more than 3 blocks away from a "dead zone". Hard to base tactics on a map that's over 1/3 blank, and doesn't show what's practically next door. But yeah, the proposed quality of info is pretty high; it would be better info than what you can get from Necronet, with only slightly less coverage.  Swiers 22:55, 16 April 2010 (BST) Cannibalism Timestamp: --VVV RPMBG 07:49, 15 April 2010 (BST) Type: Skill/PKing alteration Scope: Survivors and PKers Discription: Simple: When you kill another survivor, you gain 5/10HP. This may or may or may not require a skill, which is the main thing up for debate, apart from the plausibility. It would encourage PKing, but also help point out it's perpetrators. It would add RP, strategy, and even coordination, which are all good. There would be a few feilds of thought: PKers might skip it, so they wouldn't stick out, or get it, so they don't have to worry as much about FAKing themselves. Non-PKers might get it for the same reason my rotter has surgery: just in case. If zombies break in and you're hurt while someone else is dying, you could finish them off, leaving the building filled with more total HP. But then again, others, including Bounty Hunters, might avoid it so they aren't assumed a PKer. Discussion (Cannibalism) IMHO pretty tasteless (and tasteless beyond the usual scope of the genre), and also of most use to PKers, as they rarely carry many supportive/healing items and could partially circumvent this deficite with this skill. Also, you haven't made clear yet if this heals infections. (Not every healing item does - see beer and wine.) --Spiderzed 09:32, 15 April 2010 (BST) It would not cure infections, more due to flavor and common sense than to balance. --VVV RPMBG 10:23, 15 April 2010 (BST) Re-theme it as either looting (regardless of what the victim was carrying, have a first aid kit be found and used), or as an adrenaline rush (in which case I'd reduce it to 2-3HP and have it apply to all kills made, regardless of who is or isn't alive). Then I'd be all over it like DDR on Vegemite. 12:30, 15 April 2010 (BST) It's not plausible. Eating raw human meat in an unsanitary quarantine zone is a really good way to make yourself SICKER, not a way to heal injury. Besides, zombies need a skill to gain HP by eating human flesh, and even then don't get this much of a boost (which amounts to free HPs for a PKer). So yeah, even if its a skill, violates the "no free lunch" guideline, as well as being out of genre AND implausible. If its gonna be an adrenaline rush or looting, why not have it kick in when you kill a ZOMBIE? Is that less of a rush? Don't zombies (or at least non-rotters) carry useful items most times, for when they get revived?  Swiers 15:38, 15 April 2010 (BST) You make a good point regarding the health benefits of raw flesh, but if one got an item, it would make no sense that you can't steal from someone long dead. As for adrenaline, the basis of the idea is that you only get the boost for killing survivors. It would never work if you could just kill a zombie. But other than HP, items, and AP(NO), there's not much you could want, so there's not really anywhere this idea can go. --VVV RPMBG 00:47, 16 April 2010 (BST) Make it a skill which allows survivors with digestion to use a less effective version on corpses. 1AP eating restores 2HP but has a 5% (or even 10%) chance of infecting the canibal per day the corpse has been there. It's not really overpowered and Death cultists etc are an accepted part of the game. One thing tho, you should automatically get covered in gore while doing this --Honestmistake 14:28, 16 April 2010 (BST) I was thinking that if the zombie corpse is infected the survivor should automatically be. Of course, if you go from the Zombie Survival Guide, infected flesh is poisonous. So if it doesn't kill you immediately it should do like 5 HP damage per action and can't be cured.--Pesatyel 17:33, 18 April 2010 (BST) I did think that eating infected corpses should carry a 100% chance of infection but don't like it for a few reasons, it would make this a very viable means of infection suicide but also I am not sure the server currently cares if any given corpse is infected? --Honestmistake 17:15, 19 April 2010 (BST) Well the server has to keep track of who has an infection flag when they are being revived. And I think my post was wrong. Should have been 50 HP per action....--Pesatyel 04:51, 20 April 2010 (BST) Food Timestamp: Cornholioo 15:00, 14 April 2010 (BST) Type: Survival Scope: Survivors Description: I think it will be realistic to make survivors require food to stay alive. Both can be found in buildings. You need to eat something every 350 AP you use or you will die. You need to drink something every 75 AP you use or you will die as well. Maybe differend qualities of food can be added. I know this will be a major change in the game... maybe it is best to create a differend city for this? Any suggestions? Discussion (Food) Major dupe (I don't have the time to find them at the moment, but there are probably a half-dozen or more, probably more, related to food). Also, realism is not the point. —Aichon— 15:07, 14 April 2010 (BST) Agree with Aichon on the realism bit. The main question as far as this is concerned is how it would be implemented, because if it was a case of actually having to search for food I couldn't see many people (or indeed anyone) supporting this - after all, we already have to search for ammo, syringes, FAKs, gennys and fuel cans just to keep this city running. Chief Seagull squawk don't mess with the Seagull! 15:15, 14 April 2010 (BST) Dupe of ingame. Stale candy, beer and wine. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 15:21, 14 April 2010 (BST) Why is realism not the point? This game is turnbased, but besides that it's pretty realistic I guess. --Cornholioo 15:45, 14 April 2010 (BST) Now bearing in mind, I've never been to the Netherlands, but look out your window. Count the number of living dead. If you answer is more than zero, then maybe the game is realistic. 15:47, 14 April 2010 (BST) Well I can see some! Now seriously: you could kinda call this a postapocalyptic simulation right? You probably need food then. --Cornholioo 18:47, 14 April 2010 (BST) How would this make the game better? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 17:39, 14 April 2010 (BST) Not really 'better', it would make it more realistic. --Cornholioo 18:48, 14 April 2010 (BST) I agree with Cornholioo. Survivors should also need to go to the toilet once every ~25AP. Also, as a post-apocalyptic society would have no agriculture and ergo large populations would be systematically unsustainable, the food in the suggestion should be limited to about 20 items per supermarket, after which everyone starves to death. --Karloth Vois ¯\(°_o)/¯ 21:21, 14 April 2010 (BST) Would resorting to cannablisum stop this from occuring?--TCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 21:22, 14 April 2010 (BST) Yeah, but zombie-flesh will turn you infected (you lose 1 HP every turn). --Cornholioo 17:19, 16 April 2010 (BST) I like man-meat, have it function as a regular bite attack, recover 2hp IF you've got digestion and automatic infection for the biter. That way it has limited use, (munch once then heal for +7hp), but still allows for cannibalistic death-cultists. Although I'd say make it so you could bite zombies back aswell, but you don't get health back, just infected... --Kamikazie-Bunny 03:31, 17 April 2010 (BST) Zombie Newspaper Timestamp: V darkstar 13:56, 13 April 2010 (BST) Type: Item Enhancement Scope: Zombies Description: I sometime will be in zombie form for a while and I can't believe the number of n00bs on the streets just sitting there so I would like a humorous way of letting them know that they need to be in side. so if a zombie could slap people with newspapers that would be cool. Fire away.... Discussion (Zombie Newspaper) Why not just eat them? 14:01, 13 April 2010 (BST) Agreed. This is too useless to ever pass, no matter how much it's reformed. --VVV RPMBG 20:10, 13 April 2010 (BST) Under what logic does being hit with a newspaper translate into "Hide indoors"? -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 14:07, 13 April 2010 (BST) Gesture at yourself and write into your profile that they should move on. Or go with Mis' proposal, that's even more educational and fun. --Spiderzed 14:09, 13 April 2010 (BST) If zombies can attack with toolboxes, then why not newspapers? --AORDMOPRI ! T 21:22, 13 April 2010 (BST) Or attack with armpit odour? "You raise your arm and thrust your unwashed, festering armpit in their face. They gag and run away screaming." Chief Seagull squawk don't mess with the Seagull! 15:25, 14 April 2010 (BST) Somewhere in the past there was a "nibble" suggestion. Zombie version of newspapers, but without the newspaper. Just some nibbling flavour text. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 21:46, 13 April 2010 (BST) Have you ever had someone nibble you? Just take a few tiny bits of skin off here and there around an area? It'd almost be half as bad as being bitten. 1 Damage at least. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 23:57, 13 April 2010 (BST) Compound Bow, Quiver/Arrow Bundle Timestamp: Lucifer210 07:11, 5 April 2010 (BST) Type: Weapon Scope: Survivors Description: A new ranged weapon for survivors a bow found in schools and mall sport shops. Base 5% accuracy, with damage 4 per hit. 15 arrows a pack, 3% encumberance per bow, 2% per pack. Due to bows and arrows being quiet projectiles, people hit by arrows will not be informed who shot them, due to the lack of gun smoke and lower sound output. PS. I'm open to disregarding the added effects of fired arrows EDIT: Also thought to include skill to improve accuracy. Basic Firearms Training (Prerequisit Only) Archery Training (+10% Accuracy) Advanced Archery Training (+25% Accuracy) Discussion (Compound Bow, Quiver/Arrow Bundle) Base 5% accuracy...does it ever improve? What does the math look like for damage/AP? —Aichon— 09:11, 5 April 2010 (BST) I was under the impression that weapons and new skills had to be made under seperate suggestions --Lucifer210 04:29, 6 April 2010 (BST) Ok, time for some quick math here. Let's assume that you have one Pistol and I have one Compound Bow, and that we each are loaded up with ammo. You'll be able to make 43 Pistol shots and would have to reload 7 times with your 50 AP for the day, yielding an average of 139.75dmg against a not Rotted/Jacketed target. I, on the other hand, would be able to take 47 arrow shots and would have to reload 3 times with my 50 AP for the day, yielding an average of 183.3dmg against the same type of target. Given those numbers, you would be doing 2.795dmg/AP on average, while I would be doing 3.66dmg/AP on average. If we were to consider searches as well, the Pistol is currently the most AP-efficient weapon in the game since it has multiple shots per clip and clips are decently easy to find, and this thing absolutely blows it away, since you need less searches, yet hit for harder and have to reload less often. But to quickly show the math, it takes an average of 8 searches right now to find one clip, so we'll assume it would have taken you 64 searches to find the clips you used earlier (there was one loaded in the gun already). Likewise, if we assume 8 searches per clip of arrows/bolts, I'd need just 32 searches. So, if we add the AP we spent before onto the AP for searches, that means that you'd actually need 114 AP on average to deal 139.75dmg, for an efficiency of 1.226dmg/AP, whereas I would need just 82 AP to reach my 183.3dmg for an efficiency of 2.234dmg/AP. Basically, the Compound Bow would be the new best weapon in the game BY FAR. I could average about two kills every day with the thing, even with searches and misses taken into account. —Aichon— 21:29, 6 April 2010 (BST) In regards of search rates, you have to consider the places where the bow and the arrows pops up. In Mall Sports Stores one would need to go through a lot of fencing foils and other bummer weapons if the bow has an equal chance to pop up, while schools generally have low finding rates. (Not that this minor point helps the suggestion much as it is now.) --Spiderzed 13:19, 7 April 2010 (BST) That's why I just made some generic assumptions regarding the search rates for ease of highlighting the disparity between the weapons. There are also other issues at play, such as finding pre-loaded weapons and the like. In truth, he probably needs to provide them himself in order to make the suggestion complete anyway, but for now, I just supplied some stand-in numbers of my own. —Aichon— 15:27, 7 April 2010 (BST) (Zerging) griefers dream. Create a scout alt, get him a bow plus hundreds of arrows, find your victim and let the "fun" begin. Sure, it will prolly take some time/ap due to low accuracy but who cares? The victim has no chance of actively finding out who's targetting him so the griefer has all the time in the world.--Trevor Wrist 12:14, 5 April 2010 (BST) It can actually be done quicker. Use a pistol to weaken the target rapidly to its last HPs, and then finish the job with the bow. My bounty-sensitive death-cultist would totally do that to ensure that he doesn't get reported. And then report the victim if it dares to retaliate without covering its tracks like me. It's similar to para-chuting and even simpler to use as it doesn't rely on being infected, so expect to see a lot of that if a ninja bow gets implemented. --Spiderzed 12:23, 5 April 2010 (BST) "(Zerging) griefers dream." Hardly. Zergers don't care about their characters' safety: they just create more, and so have no need for the stealth the bow offers. Firefighter + axe would still be vastly more effective than scout + bow. As it currently stands it would take years with a starting character to get lucky enough to kill someone with a bow at 50AP/day (remember those things called FAKs that people grab when they get injured?), and if you are zerging for more AP then firefighters would work much better! And Spiderzed, most PKers enjoy taunting their victims and bystanders. Removing the risk removes the fun! I imagine this would mostly be used by Bounty Hunters and do-gooders who don't want to damage their good name. --Anotherpongo 14:37, 5 April 2010 (BST) PKers might, and PKers might also want the bragging rights of having a bounty. My death-cultist won't. He's more interested into keeping a low profile RG-wise, to a.) keep being CRed and eating syringes on RPs and b.) be able to put dumbass trenchies on the RG who are stupid enough to shoot someone for GKing, para-chuting and other lesser crimes. --Spiderzed 14:49, 5 April 2010 (BST) Is that really a problem? I think alternative playstyles should be encouraged to keep the game interesting. --Anotherpongo 15:52, 6 April 2010 (BST) Oh, don't get me wrong, as a passionate death-cultist I'd _totally_ dig a weapon that allows me to kill anonymously and taunt the victim to lure it on the RG. It's just that I can imagine enough haters who'd outcry at the prospect of that. --Spiderzed 16:28, 6 April 2010 (BST) I've done a bit of archery, and yes, bows are quiet. But even the compact compound bows make a noise when you let go, if not as loud as a gun, and it's easy to tell when someone is shooting at you, or anyone else. --Enigmatalk 14:17, 5 April 2010 (BST) A bow is however certainly more stealthy than a gun, which the suggestor is trying to reflect. --Anotherpongo 14:37, 5 April 2010 (BST) I also said I would be open to dropping the 'silent kill' part --Lucifer210 04:29, 6 April 2010 (BST) The author hasn't mentioned whether the kill message will appear, only the hit message. I suggest adding what skills would affect it. Possibly +10% from Body Building, in addition to a new line of Archery skills? I like the idea of exchanging accuracy for stealth, but you might want to add some limitations. --Anotherpongo 14:37, 5 April 2010 (BST) Originally, neither the hit or kill messages would show up, except for "you were shot for 4 damage" & "You are dead". Now I would disregard anything related to stealth. --Lucifer210 10:30, 7 April 2010 (BST) I support this idea also the sond you may hear from a bow is the string so txt could be You hear the thump of a bowsting nearby* but instead you shoud make it with 2 damage and injure the person until a FAK or remove the arrow for -3 health (the arrow will act like an infection to the zed) this would be logical and coming back from where zeds can infect you-scvideoking 17:59, 5 April 2010 (BST) If Thumping Bowstings is not already a band, it should be. 22:28, 5 April 2010 (BST) This sucks. I'm tired. That is all. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 22:13, 5 April 2010 (BST) so you're saying that (in theory) you can hold 15 arrows to attack? at 4 damage per succesful hit at 5%, a little general math tells me that it is a bit overpowered damagewise. possibly getting rid of the advanced skill for this could balance it out a bit, and possiblt lowering the quiver size too. but still, this is a great idea, and i like it. --Jack Kolt Talk|Chars 04:53, 6 April 2010 (BST) How would firearms training affect bows? While it doesn't matter to me it might matter the the more anally retentive among us. And 6 damage at 65% accuracy makes this better than the pistol if searching for ammo is ignored, but 15 arrows per quiver is excessive. --Anotherpongo 15:59, 6 April 2010 (BST) With the invisibility, this is terribly overpowered (as stated above). Without it, you've got a 5% to hit, 4 damage weapon with 15 ammo. Assuming maxed hit% of 65%, it has more ammo than a pistol, but less damage. Not enough less damage, in my opinion.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 16:56, 6 April 2010 (BST) It actually does more damage. Notice the +2 damage for Advanced Archery Training. It'll do 6 to the Pistol's 5. —Aichon— 21:11, 6 April 2010 (BST) Extremely stupid. Didn't notice that. It should be about 2.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 21:52, 6 April 2010 (BST) Okay, so if I were to use the bow as my primary weapon and I had all skills I would now wield a weapon with an average damage per AP of 3.6 per shot, a clip size of 15, and 65% accuracy? Even without that damning overpower its encumbrance to ammunition ratio is way too low. Example: I carry a standard emergency supply kit that is roughly 10% of my total encumbrance, if I devote the remaining 90 percent to pistols and I do it for combat I will carry 4 pistols and 37 clips. That totals to about 246 shots. If I replace the pistols with one bow (with a clip size of 15 and a damage of six reloading isn't going to be a worry) and the clips with quivers I can now carry 44 quivers. 44*15=660 shots before I have to restock. Do you see the problem? -Devorac 23:07, 6 April 2010 (BST) Taking this in to extended maths, this would be easier to search for as well, because you get 15 shots from one successful search.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 23:11, 6 April 2010 (BST) See the math I added to my initial comment on this suggestion. This weapon is almost twice as good as the Pistol. —Aichon— 23:40, 6 April 2010 (BST) Right, since you people apparently can't let this die I suppose I'll have to deal with it. Now, form what I can see the following jumps out at me: Stealth weaponry? Why don't you just call it the death cultist special and have done with it? Maths. Aichon has made with the numbers and it's just overpowered. It's going to fail voting for this reason. Location. Where do you find these things and the ammo? I feel my response to this answer is going to begin with the letters 'D', 'S' and 'R'. Why? What's the flavour? How common are these in genre? What is the reason to spend time programming them into the game? -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 00:55, 7 April 2010 (BST) Regarding location, the suggestion description says Mall Sports Stores and Schools, so diluted search rates won't be as bad as they typically are for these new weapons. It's one of the considerations I actually like about this suggestion. —Aichon— 05:13, 7 April 2010 (BST) OK, after reading generally negative responses for my suggestion I have decided that 'Basic Firearms Training' would not affect the bow, and only be a prerequisit skill, and 10 arrows a quiver. Would someone kindly do the new math due to these changes. --Lucifer210 10:30, 7 April 2010 (BST) Might want to change the suggestion to say 10 arrows per quiver. Anyway, I'll be nice and do the math for you one last time, but you have to do it from here on. Given that it only has 10 arrows per quiver and now does 4 damage per shot, you'd be able to get in 46 shots with 4 reloads, for 73.6dmg, or 1.472dmg/AP before searches are considered. With searches considered, you would need 40AP to find the quivers, for a total of 90AP, yielding 0.817dmg/AP, making it, in my opinion, a virtually worthless weapon. It doesn't have burst damage (like the Shotgun), AP efficiency (like the Pistol), or a nice balance in between. —Aichon— 11:04, 7 April 2010 (BST) I did some archery as a youngster, and I remember having to reload my bow after every shot no matter how many arrows I had stuck in the ground (we didn't use quivers). It's not as if a quiver is like an automatic weapon's magazine where you just take one shot after another. (I accept that the 'pistols' and 'clips' of ammo in the game aren't too realistic either.) I'd also be surprised if you were to find many compound-bow style arrows in schools. (Darts, yes, but not flighted arrows.) In brief, my suggested changes would be 1) reload after every shot, 2) no arrows in schools, and 3) drop the stealth aspect - it's no fun being killed by an unknown assassin as there's no chance of getting payback (arrows are neither silent nor invisible, anyway). Encumbrance should also be more of an issue, as a full-sized compound bow and several quivers full of arrows should be no joke to tote around Malton along with your generators, fuel cans, stuffed moose heads etc.--Mallrat TSI TKS CTD 11:33, 11 April 2010 (BST) I say why not, tweak the numbers and you've got my vote, nevermind you've got it already. --Kamikazie-Bunny 03:10, 17 April 2010 (BST) New Weapons Timestamp: Attila the Hunny 21:12, 2 April 2010 (BST) Type: machete and cast iron skillet Scope: survivors Description: Can a machete and a cast iron skillet be added to our weapons, please? Discussion (New Weapons) No. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 21:44, 2 April 2010 (BST) And, to add to why "no", the game already has 10 weapons nobody uses, except for flavor purposes. Do we really need a full dozen?--Pesatyel 22:07, 4 April 2010 (BST) Thats not really how developing suggestions work. You tell us the idea and then we tell you how its flawed. Whats the damage, accuracy, and weight of these weapons? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 22:16, 2 April 2010 (BST) Yes, they can be added to the game just as soon as you describe how they work in detail (as per Ross' comment), you put it up for voting as a suggestion, it gets approved by wiki users, it gets noticed by Kevan, Kevan is feeling like adding new flavor, and he does so. Otherwise, see what Iscariot said. —Aichon— 05:33, 3 April 2010 (BST) NONONO ahem, what I meant to say was, a machete is like a katana. trenchies like those things waay to much, and (machetes) seem to feel a bit to over-the top for a survival game. Also, is this the same skillet that you can use as a melee weapon in L4D2? --Jack Kolt Talk|Chars 02:55, 4 April 2010 (BST) I never understood the whining about "trenchies". If a katana WERE to be added...who cares? Unless, of course, the weapon were overpowered, but THAT goes without saying. As for the machete, it is VERY common in zombie genre, L4D2 being irrelevant in this circumstance. Ever read the Zombie Survival Guide?--Pesatyel 22:07, 4 April 2010 (BST) How many Englishmen do you know with machetes on hand? 22:10, 4 April 2010 (BST) Actually, I once encountered a nifty lil' thing called a garden knife in my local Canadian Tire (I know, I'm not English)... and I know they called it that, but it was obviously a machete. Don't see why something like that couldn't be in Britain. But from a pragmatic point of view, this suggestion as it is right now is worthless. There are no details, and these are two weapons which would probably not serve a purpose even if they were put in.--Enigmatalk 14:09, 5 April 2010 (BST) Having a small knife Garden knife such as this may be more commonplace, but I highly doubt most people will have these lying around.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 20:17, 8 April 2010 (BST)::::: that machete is a horror movie on e and i own 3--Wolfgnag Alexzander 04:57, 13 April 2010 (BST) I'm English and while do not have an actual machette I do own 2 composite bows, several broad swords, a matched pair of ornamental polearms, several hammers and hatchets, a fire axe, a sledgehammer and a broad headed spear. I also own 2 sets of Mail armour and a set of platemail... This is very far from unusual in a country with such a fine old tradition of invading its neighbors :) --Honestmistake 14:07, 11 April 2010 (BST) What he said. I used to know someone who ran one of the major re-enactment groups, he had more weapons in his attic than the Royal Armouries. Also, I'm sat at my computer desk and am with ten feet of seven swords and an assorted number of staves. There's a reason the last successful invasion of our island was the better part of a millennium ago, and it took two armies of Vikings to do that. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 15:15, 11 April 2010 (BST) Exactly.... If the zombie apocalypse ever does hit Blighty it will be fought with sharp implements and regular tea breaks! --Honestmistake 11:59, 12 April 2010 (BST) Hopefully there will also be cake.... --Honestmistake 12:00, 12 April 2010 (BST) Less guns = Less trenchies. Plus there's all this nazi memorabilia sitting around my house. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 11:35, 13 April 2010 (BST) Pervert! --Honestmistake 13:09, 13 April 2010 (BST) to answer pesatyel's question, i did read the zombie survival guide. Rule #1: Blades don't need reloading! touché, pesatyel. --Jack Kolt Talk|Chars 04:58, 6 April 2010 (BST) I like Left 4 Dead 2 too, but I think machetes are just asking for bad buff suggestions. Skillets, on the other hand, I would vote for that... if they were found in hotels and stuff, and had no special powers... then again, it seems kinda pointless. BoboTalkClown 19:18, 8 April 2010 (BST) Skillet = Uber flavor text attacks BONG --Wolfgnag Alexzander 05:00, 13 April 2010 (BST) Suggestions up for voting Binocular/Ruin nerf Has gone to voting here. --         07:33, 4 April 2010 (BST)