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Thadeous Oakley

MisterGame (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss) So here I am making an attempt at becoming a Sysops. I have been tinkering with the thought of doing so for a short while now and decided to give it a go. My main reason of becoming a member of the admin team is because I want to see if I can do it. Be a successful sysops. Of course, in this position I can also provide an extra helping hand to the others, though I think the current team is doing a fine job at the moment.

As for my own history, well I have been here for quite a while. Made my account in late 07, and became active somewhere in mid 08. Since I have made countless edits, well okay if I count probably over 3000. My path from then to today has not always been easy, not for me and certainly not for others. Still, I learned, and have grown through the years. I have edits in most of the admin sections, I have been involved in Arbitration (both as an involved party as well as the arbitrator), A/PM, A/VB, A/M, etc. The rare janitorial edit springs out as well.

As for my personality, something that obviously reflects back in my actions; I'm not afraid to speak up and give my opinion (which I frequently do). I'm not always the best diplomat out there, sometimes I'm harsh, though I'd like to call it "direct". So no, I'm not an impenetrable wall of patience like for example Aichon or Ross. In the past, I have had my conflicts with certain individuals. That said, I live by forgive and forget. I'm not one to hold grudges, and I'm not afraid to give a sincere apology if I believe that I was in the wrong. Generally speaking, I'll get along with most people. The bit above might suggest otherwise, but I'm not that impatient. If you're new, then I'll will extra nice. Good-faith and civility work best with me. On the other hand, if your name is Iscariot or Grim then I'll happily admit, no Sir I won't take your shit.

So I could probably go on for a few more blocks of text but I really don't want this to turn into a wall. I think most of you probably already formed an opinion without this text anway.

Tldr; I have my shortcomings, but I deem myself capable of being a sysops. Its up to you if you trust me to indeed be so, and if you do then don't hesitate to Vouch.

Sincerely, --Thadeous Oakley 13:16, 20 July 2010 (BST)

• Abstain - you'd be better than yonnua is i guess Cyberbob  Talk  13:21, 20 July 2010 (BST)

  An abstain coming from you instead of an against means a lot to me. Ya, rly. --Thadeous Oakley 14:33, 20 July 2010 (BST)

• Against -_∞ Poodle of Doom _∞ 13:23, 20 July 2010 (BST)

  I would appreciate it if you gave me your reasoning behind this. So, tell me why plz. --Thadeous Oakley 14:33, 20 July 2010 (BST)

  I've seen you do a little bit of everything, but I think you need to stay off the vandalism page, and out of the relative discusssions on the mainspace of A/VB. I also think that you're to aggressive on how you approach the involved parties considering you have nothing to do with the case, aside from wanting to comment on them. Move your comments to the talk page, and I'd be okay with this. That aside, I'd consider vouching for you. -_∞ Poodle of Doom _∞ 00:03, 22 July 2010 (BST)

• Question: In what areas do you see yourself contributing? - User:Whitehouse 13:27, 20 July 2010 (BST)

  In the beginning I'll go for being the Jack of all trades. As soon as (if) I get the powers, I'll start with janitorial work; I'll make my way through A/PT, A/MR, A/DE anywhere I'm necessary. In this manner, I'll try to learn how to use the abilities that come with sysopship. I don't expect it to be of mathematical difficulty, but I want some experience in moving, deleting and protecting stuff. After that I probably linger back to the A/VB, A/M and A/A sections.

  If you look in my contributions you'll see most of edits tend to be in those parts. Once I'm done with being new on the team, I'll probably linger the most in what some call the "drama" sections. --Thadeous Oakley 14:33, 20 July 2010 (BST)

  Question: What do you feel is the purpose of this wiki and how well does it achieve said purpose? - User:Whitehouse 14:08, 22 July 2010 (BST)

• Thad is the first to admit that he can be in conflict with other users, and can sometimes even be a jerk (my interpenetration of the above.) That said, I genuinely believe that he has the best interests of the wiki at heart, and he's been around here long enough now to know how the place works. Yes, he's been an asshat in the past, and yes, he's had some genuine personality conflicts with users. But if he's genuine in his statement that he will forgive and forget, this shouldn't matter. In short, he's a good guy who will be an asset to the sysop team, although like all sysops, he has his problems. Much to his credit, he shows a willingness to see these problems, and attempt to fix them (a note on my A/PM comments.) Linkthewindow  Talk  13:28, 20 July 2010 (BST)

  Thanks for the kinds words Link, stuff like that motivates. You have quite an interesting stance on A/PM comments, haven't seen that before. --Thadeous Oakley 14:33, 20 July 2010 (BST)

  It's actually a common trait with Boxy when he isn't exercising impartiality as a crat. It always annoyed me, actually. --

   

   

   

   

  14:37, 20 July 2010 (BST)

  I think I've done it on a few old promotion bids, but I've never made a big deal out of it. It's just that I would prefer my comments to be taken at face value, not changed by some words at the front. Linkthewindow  Talk  13:21, 22 July 2010 (BST)

  Just going to add that he seems sincere in his desire to help the community in his response to Ross. I also hope that that promise to go to A/DM if you can't contribute properly isn't empty (we don't need another sysop like certain ex-users :P.) That said, he's shown nothing to indicate that it isn't (and, at the end of the day, the most important duty of a sysop is to bow down when you can't do the job. It's a trait that needs to be more common.) Linkthewindow  Talk  13:21, 22 July 2010 (BST)

• Against Based pure and simply on the fact that he has still at least one alt on the Zerg Liste. While the game and the wiki are separate things, _promoting_ someone who breaks the only real rule of UD (or at least is incapable of proving his innocence) would do no good for the reputation of the wiki in general and the sys-op team in particular. Once he gets himself actually removed from the ZL, I'd see no major objections. -- Spiderzed▋ 14:16, 20 July 2010 (BST) Abstain now that that matter is cleared up. -- Spiderzed▋ 15:17, 20 July 2010 (BST)

  Ah, that's a blast from the past. Yeah, that was a stupid affair back then relating to the Umbrella/UBCS drama. I don't really see the relevance of something that old of the game to this bid, but if you insist I'll see if I can get myself off. --Thadeous Oakley 14:41, 20 July 2010 (BST)

  Done. Check the relevant thread. --Thadeous Oakley 15:08, 20 July 2010 (BST)

  No ZL mod reaction yet, but the screenies look legit to me (and match with the current dead/alive status of the alts). Changed my vote to Abstain. -- Spiderzed▋ 15:17, 20 July 2010 (BST)

  My lord, you would have LOVED conndraka. --

   

   

   

   

  15:41, 20 July 2010 (BST)

• Abstain - This is a toughie, I have a reasons both for and against. I like Thad and in the last few months, he's been around admin areas and for the most part I agree with what he has to say or where he's coming from, in fact very much so. Behind the scenes I see little from Thad, no real work cycling things, archiving and the like, a fair bit of WN'ing newbies (before we made up I often took notes that he'd WN users without even checking their edit and following up both housekeeping and vandal-wise) but not much else. I feel obliged to mention it and add the weight its worth in my 'vote' even though as a sysop it isn't specifically necessary and I doubt he doesn't understand such processes anyway, and as far as WNing bloopers go some of the more "prestigious" users do just the same without recieving anywhere near the flak of my entire above reference. Trying to reiterate why this is still an abstain even though I spent plenty of time on negatives, I guess it's subjective but I just think he's a well-rounded decision maker, and has demonstrated little bias in the past months since the Umbrella epic has shifted elsewhere and died down. He definitely has a larger tolerance and less intimidating demeanour towards idiots than what I consider myself to have and he has exercised that quality every time it's been around lately. I still can't say whether he does what he does because he loves the place more than this position, I'd like to think it's the former but I'm used to judging that on hard behind-the-scenes work that no one else does as well as extensive proactivity, rather than just give an opinion on everything on whatever pops up on RC. Would I regret letting him onto the team? Probably not, but ideally I'd consider perhaps giving a month or two longer with some more tips in hand. --
   
   
   
   
  14:37, 20 July 2010 (BST)

  christ shut up already Cyberbob  Talk  09:44, 21 July 2010 (BST)

  Fucking kill yourself. --

   

   

   

   

  06:58, 23 July 2010 (BST)

  excellent, you are able to make posts of less than 200 words. now put this knowledge into practice Cyberbob  Talk  07:45, 23 July 2010 (BST)

  Haha, touche. --

   

   

   

   

  07:47, 23 July 2010 (BST)

• Against Sorry mate, I'm just not convinced. Technical Pacifist 14:41, 20 July 2010 (BST)

  Why not? I noticed your new here, so that means you only got a first-hand impression of me, perhaps during this very bid. May I ask what it is that bothers you in regard to myself? --Thadeous Oakley 15:28, 20 July 2010 (BST)

  You're correct, I only have a first-hand impression from here. In all honesty, my main concern was the zerging.. which appears to have been cleared since I made my comment. So, now that that's gone, you seem fine enough. Vouch. Technical Pacifist 19:07, 20 July 2010 (BST)

• Against damn i knew this day would come.. where is rak or sonny when you need them? Thad is a huge asshole. always has been always will. i would hate to think what this faggot would do with any real power. NO NO NO NO NO NO.----sexualharrison ¯\()/¯ 15:17, 20 July 2010 (BST)

  Wow. Looks like I really got him in a panic, eh? --Thadeous Oakley 15:19, 20 July 2010 (BST)

  In a serious response, I really don't know who you are. Only time I remember you was from DDR's last promotion bid, during which you called me faggot or something because you disagreed with my stance on his bid (even though we both vouched). Oh, and I hope WOOT vouches for me, I always did for him :( --Thadeous Oakley 15:25, 20 July 2010 (BST)

• Question Why do you want to be a sysop? --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 15:35, 20 July 2010 (BST)

  There are a handful of reasons. I'd like to play a more prominent role in discussions in certain sections such A/VB A/M, of course I can give my opinion without being sysop but it does not carry the same weight, simply said I can't rule on cases. Second, I'm curious if I can and be a successful sysop, now I have the desire I can't help but feel kinda excited to start out if this goes well. Third, and this one isn't out of self-interest, so I can provide that extra to hand the current team; This can be helpful if it turns out Kevan really wants to implement some major new mechanics and actually move the game forward again, which can lead to an increase in traffic at the wiki.

  If you give me your trust, then aside from being honored, I will prove myself to be an (in)valuable asset to the team. Should I fail to do that, then I'm not going to slack and abuse around, I'll know what to do. I know that may seem like an empty promise ("that's what your saying now"), but I just want to make clear that I'm not doing this simply for having powers and the "position". I know a certain ex-sysop who believed popularity wasn't necessary in order to do his job, but I think I can't ever do a job without enough support of (in this case) both the community and the sysop team. That, and I have been here as a regular user for over 2 years, if I wanted to be a sysops so badly (with perhaps the wrong motives) I'd probably done this wayyyyy earlier. Will all that do for motivation :D ? --Thadeous Oakley 19:01, 21 July 2010 (BST)

  Probably. The number of abstains is maddening. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 19:45, 21 July 2010 (BST)

  Yeah, I noticed it. Might actually break a record in A/PM history. I'm pretty content; I haven't seen any serious (and by serious, I mean with solid argumentation which I can understand and learn from) opposition aka "against". --Thadeous Oakley 19:53, 21 July 2010 (BST)

• Against -- No offense, but I generally vote recommend against folk who self-nominate. Asheets 15:40, 20 July 2010 (BST)

  ... This makes no sense. Why is self-nomination a bad thing? Does it betray a personality or a trait that is undesirable in a Sysop? (And yes, I do realise the irony of the statement, coming from someone who, unsuccessfully at that, self-nominated.)(Also, I'm not sure I'm allowed to reply to this. So don't shoot me for doing this?) -- Rahrah is pumped that he's going to lose another Manhunt. 22:44, 20 July 2010 (BST)

  It makes sense to me. If someone else nominates them, you can be sure that they've made friends and proven their worth, at least to some extent. If they self-nominate, they show a certain amount of narcissism. --VVV ^RPMBG 22:59, 20 July 2010 (BST)

  Still makes little sense, the two bids below this one demonstrate well what friends will do for one another if you need them too, making ahseet's system not only really unreliable, but also if you're going to vote on something so petty it's basically a null vote from a bureaucrat's point of view. --

   

   

   

   

  00:17, 21 July 2010 (BST)

  People who self-nominate show that they think they can do the job (it's much easier to accept a nomination then it is to put one up,) and, additionally, that they have the self-esteem to think they can do the job. But people who are nominated show that they have friends, and someone who's willing to go as far as nominating them for the job. One is not inherently better. Linkthewindow  Talk  10:44, 21 July 2010 (BST)

  Well, even a null recommendation still must count for something in the final analysis. And I did vouch for you several times, so I my opinion can't be completely worthless. Asheets 16:03, 21 July 2010 (BST)

  I don't know what appealing to my vanity will do for your argument, but if you're happy with the possibility your vote might not have as much weight because of the reason you specified, then I have no place to bleat more. --

   

   

   

   

  10:25, 23 July 2010 (BST)

• Abstain - I don't think, with the current number of active users, we need more Pyschos at the moment. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 15:50, 20 July 2010 (BST)
• Weak Against - Cyberbob makes an excellent point, but that doesn't make Thad any less controversial.So basically, as Harrison, but a little less charged. --VVV ^RPMBG 19:29, 20 July 2010 (BST)
• Vouch - In all my time I've not seen Thad do anything even remotely as bad as any other sysop has ever done, nor has his attitude been adverse to the position. Basically, he's done nothing to show he should not be a sysop, his only conflicts being seemingly on a personal level. I see no reason not to give him a chance at it. He's shown himself not to be unwilling to involve himself in the opinionated sides of the wiki's admin services, and I've seen times where A/M, A/VB and the like could do with another involved individual instead of an abstained vote. Of course my vouch is also conditional on him doing the usual grunt work too but with an extra set of hands that should be very light (also given that his time zone is unique to the team it'd help us reach an around-the-clock presence, which can never be a bad thing). 21:21, 20 July 2010 (BST)

  Well yeah, you don't have anyone from mainland Europe, in fact no one who isn't native in English currently, but the timezone difference between the UK and Holland is only one hour ;) Oh and thanks for your trust. --Thadeous Oakley 19:35, 21 July 2010 (BST)

• Following Link's Example - Thad has definitely come a long way. I know that just a few months back, his interpersonal issues (especially the ones with SA) were really bothering me and would've resulted in an instant Against vote. In the last few months however, it hasn't been nearly as much of an issue. He's not afraid to disagree with the sysops, but he doesn't do it arbitrarily or just for the sake of doing it. Instead, he offers a sound opinion most of the time, and generally has valid points to contribute to the discussion. He's definitely not as serious in nature as some of the folks around here, which is both good and bad. Honestly, I hadn't really considered the possibility of his promotion prior to seeing this, so I'm curious what his response will be to Ross' question as well, since motivation is a key factor. —Aichon— 21:37, 20 July 2010 (BST)
• Abstain - People are saying he's come a long way. I haven't been around to know if this is true so I am Abstaining. But it is worth mentioning that the MisterGame I used to know was an absolutely, unqualified no-go for the sysop position. --WanYao 05:12, 21 July 2010 (BST)
• Abstain - As DDR.-- Adward  15:00, 21 July 2010 (BST)
• Abstain You got the attitude for the sysop, but your contribution just.... insignificant, and rarely seen helping user(for me).--Evan Arnoldi^{TalkStoriesTimeMachine} 15:52, 21 July 2010 (BST)

  Dude, not to offend you, but you have been here for 2 days. I don't really think you can judge my contributions in such a short time-span.--Thadeous Oakley 19:31, 21 July 2010 (BST)

  wait, 2 days? hoho, dont judge me by edits boy, i have lurked this wiki from early 2008, and just starting to assemble with the community for last 2 days, and don't think i judged your contribution just this last 2 days. Your lack of knowledge for veteran lurker amuse me. And yeah, self-promoting are bad. I change my vote to Against.--Evan Arnoldi^{TalkStoriesTimeMachine} 08:16, 22 July 2010 (BST)

  Ah well. I'm going to help you now though whether you like it or not ;). I striked your original stance above, since it is forbidden to edit material that already has been replied to (to avoid impersonation) and you have changed your stance into "against". So next time if you want to change your opinion in A/PM just strike the original, and add a new one in an indent (which you already did) instead of changing the original. I hope I made it clear to you. --Thadeous Oakley 09:49, 22 July 2010 (BST)

  shi- well, i guess it cant be helped :P, changing my vote, AGAIN to Vouch. I admit, this guy really got me with this word: I'm going to help you now though whether you like it or not =)).--Evan Arnoldi^{TalkStoriesTimeMachine} 15:53, 22 July 2010 (BST)

• Vouch Thadeous has contributed quite a bit and I'm positive he has the best intentions at heart. --Chairman Fanglord, 01:28, 22 July 2010 (BST)
• Vouch - kinda decent guy. In the unlikely event he gets through just turn a small issue into a major incident and demote him while he's out celebrating the turn of the year while you losers are at home on the UDWiki. xoxo 07:43, 22 July 2010 (BST)
• As Link, for the most part. Coupled with his answer to Rosslessness above, he seems sincere in his desire to help out, and has always come across that way in my experience. Perhaps not always with the... panache or tact I would prefer to see, but his heart has always been in the right place. I have my reservations about giving him buttons, but I also think that another sysop voice in A/M, A/VB, etc wouldn't hurt considering the current number of sysops who tend to avoid those areas. --Maverick ^{Talk - OBR 404} 09:21, 22 July 2010 (BST)
• Vouch - There were too many words every where on this page. But, I still thnik you would make a valubal addition to the expanding team.--^TCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 16:04, 22 July 2010 (BST)
• Against If the Sysop role only involved keeping the place tidy i would have no problem vouching you. Sadly I don't think I would be happy to trust you with power over over certain areas while you have a tendency to take things so personally. In any case you haven't really convinced me that you need the extra buttons or resposibilities to keep doing what you need/want to do. --Honestmistake 16:20, 22 July 2010 (BST)
• Against. --jorm 02:28, 23 July 2010 (BST)
• Against. --DrJackson 02:28, 23 July 2010 (BST)

  You may want to learn how to sign properly, you somehow managed to copy Jorm's timestamp, and falsified your own in the process.--Thadeous Oakley 10:41, 23 July 2010 (BST)

  A simple mistake thats all but then again it doesnt really matter, but thank you for your condescending reply. There is only one rule in this game and you chose to ignore it, but oddly enough you only recognised it when you wentfor sysop.A testimony to your values.--Rapture 11:15, 23 July 2010 (BST)

• Vouch - I've never formed any strong opinions about Thad/Mister Game, but I know he's got some experience and isn't afraid to have an opinion. Also I like the way he's handled himself during this sysop bid. Good luck!--_GANG Giles Sednik _CAPD 10:50, 23 July 2010 (BST)
• Against --Bisfan 11:30, 23 July 2010 (BST)

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