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Game Related Banter

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thanks dude

thanks for deletin them--Tomer 21:53, 20 October 2008 (BST)

Manhunt

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Wiki Related Banter

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Hello

been a while sence ive been playing dude and im pretty expirenced now lol got more xp then you so watch it--Tomer 4:00 PM, 19 october 2008 (CTZ)

been playing a year and a half so please quit telling me im a noob and everything--Tomer 4:13 PM, 19 october 2008 (CTZ)

Horrah!

Congrats, baring a miracle of meatpuppeting, in 20 minutes you will be the proud ruler of this wiki! I mean there's the whole kevan thing, but your predecessors have shown nothing but disdain for his role and i'm sure you'll continue the tradition in style! I remember the day you became sysop *blinks back tears* they grow up so fast....--x o x o 10:11, 23 October 2008 (BST)

Congrats, Oh magnificant and benevolant overlord. May your reign as ~~consul~~ 'crat of the ~~republic~~ ~~empire~~ wiki be long and fruitful. Conndraka^{mod TAZM CFT} 19:20, 23 October 2008 (BST)

Yep. No meatpuppeting at all. Well done. Now remember when you attempt a coup, get Kevan on side first. --Ross less ne s s^{Want a Location Image?} 20:46, 23 October 2008 (BST)

Got it. ;) -- C h e e s e 10:45, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Hey

As you are the most reasonable of the sysops I have encountered, I just want to know what edits I am getting my ban for (the ones on the A/VB that were telling bob the convo was over, or my involvement in the A/SD shitstorm.) Heres hoping this makes it through to you before some troll strolls in and tries to be witty. Ty in advance. Also, congrats on 'crat, your the right one for the job.--CyberRead240 02:26, 25 October 2008 (BST)

Sexylegsread said:

Also, congrats on 'crat, your the right one for the job.

And you try to paint me as a brown-nose? --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 02:27, 25 October 2008 (BST)

I voted for him, and many, many times talked about my wish for him to get 'crat IRL to many of my Wiki going friends. He is the right person for the job, and I had been planning to tell him so and give him my congratulations just as I sat down to my computer last night. Well, there was a wiki shit storm, and I have not since had the chance to say so, so I thought I would add it in to this message. Sorry for that Cheese.--CyberRead240 02:32, 25 October 2008 (BST)

I don't know. =/ It's all so confusing. All the multiple cases and counter cases make my brain sore. =( Thanks for voting by the way. =)-- C h e e s e 22:24, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Proof of bias

You bitch at me, and in the same breath again condem him for being the douchebag that you know he is, you condemn me for not standing up to him, when he had all you sysops backin him, and you call me a fuckhead for not fighting hard enough against him??? I backed out because YOU all had his back, he fucked with me in game, and in wiki, he accused my friends of being zerg accounts of mine, you even told him to back off because you knew he was full of it, but you DID NOTHING!!! Now you want to blame me saying that you can't man up and deal with his shit because i walked away??? What kind of a cop out is that??? You all fucked me from all ends, and then call me the bitch because I didn't give you the reason you needed to put a stop to his shit? The worst is that you lash out at me, then delete it and hope it fades away in your history...

Again i say its nice to see sysops are spineless cowards how allow assholes to bully the wiki when they are unwilling to do shit about it, but rant on those few who are victims... Thanks for doing your job, i hope Kevan is proud of you.--Happykook 05:54, 25 October 2008 (BST)

I don't usually comment on stuff that doesn't involve me, but Wow. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 06:16, 25 October 2008 (BST)

DanceDanceRevolution said:

I don't usually comment on stuff that doesn't involve me

Nobody likes a liar. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 06:41, 25 October 2008 (BST)

Cyberbob240 said:

It's not my myspace

Cyberbob240 said:

I'm not cancer

D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 10:51, 25 October 2008 (BST)

I don't see a lie there. My starsign is not Cancer (I'm going to be nice and assume that's what you're getting at) and it isn't my MySpace. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 11:34, 25 October 2008 (BST)

Check the archive before you start accusing me of deleting stuff. If you keep coming to my page to moan about something that didn't happen, then I'll just ignore it. Simple as. -- C h e e s e 22:22, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Hagnats

What're thinking? -- AHLG T G THE END IS NIGH! 21:28, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure. =/ I vouched for him initially but now I'm having second thoughts. He hasn't been on for about 2 weeks now and doesn't really seem that bothered about it. Plus there was this gem. =p You? -- C h e e s e 21:53, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Looking at his last bid, he received a lot of vouches, but I'm noticing some of those vouchers that time around are now voting against. And on top of that, people who vouched initially seem to be changing their mind and there isn't very many strong yes' going for him (although he has been a long time sysop, so that counts). His policies were sloppy, but well intended I think. I agree though, his inactivity is a worry. Either he doesn't care enough to check, (or thinks because he was a sysop once before, he wouldn't have to bother) or there is some conflict IRL preventing him from wikiing. Either way, it doesn't look too good. -- AHLG T G THE END IS NIGH! 22:01, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah. I noticed that. It's mostly the folk who are changing their minds that are making me lean towards saying no. There's 18 (not counting mine) outright vouches, 10 outright against, 2 abstain and 4 that have changed from vouch to against. He also hasn't done much (besides the policies) since he came back. =/ -- C h e e s e 22:14, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

He does have a point about it, though. It wouldn't hurt to have the sysop team review the permabanned users and apply the current vandal banning rules to them and give them the due process of a sysop team vote. They are permabanned, so it is not like they are going anywhere, so the sysop team can take a little bit of time (say a month) to go over the cases and make a ruling. Most will be upheld (the one-shots and impersonators), but some might be able to get a second chance. I don't think that is too much to ask for, do you? --Akule ^{Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule ^{School's back in session™}} 22:12, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

I know the last thing you guys want is regular users to spam this discussion you are having, but Hagnat has been inactive because he is finishing his written thesis. He's IRCing now if you want to jump in! D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 22:35, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Tell him his thesis is unimportant and that he should probably poke his nose in and say hello. ;) -- AHLG T G THE END IS NIGH! 22:37, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah but his response to needing to be more active on this wiki was "meh". --

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. <== DDR Approved Editor 22:39, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Should I point out the current list of sysops who are basically saying "meh" or have gone on multiple breaks for over two weeks? Basically, it boils down to this: Does Hagnat know what he is doing and does he improve the wiki as a sysop when he is here? If so, then if he fits into the current guidelines for sysop activity? --Akule ^{Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule ^{School's back in session™}} 22:41, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Oi! You lot bugger off. This is a private top secret chat between me and my Gnomey friend over super secret 'crat matters. You're not supposed to see!! =p -- C h e e s e 22:43, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Fine, fine. I'm done. --Akule ^{Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule ^{School's back in session™}} 22:46, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your input. =p It has been noted. -- C h e e s e 22:48, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Just a thought, but maybe you guys should have your sooper seekrit discussions through e-mail? :) --Zs L 00:26, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Noes! Transparency in decision making FTW!--x o x o 00:27, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

No, we have mind reading capabilities, but thanks. All of this ^ is a rouse. -- AHLG T G THE END IS NIGH! 00:35, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

So are all of these. ;D --Akule ^{Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule ^{School's back in session™}} 00:40, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Wait, what? -- AHLG T G THE END IS NIGH! 00:47, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Iza pun. Those are all rouses ;D --x o x o 00:49, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Hence my smartassery comment. :D --Akule ^{Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule ^{School's back in session™}} 00:53, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Har. -- AHLG T G THE END IS NIGH! 01:00, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

That's me, the pun pirate. --Akule ^{Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule ^{School's back in session™}} 01:08, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

I figured you meant it was a ruse. I suppose I could have used my pic of someone sleeping as someone about to be roused, but I preferred to pretend the "u" was silent. Hence a rose. :) --Akule ^{Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule ^{School's back in session™}} 00:53, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi. RL > UD. Right ? All 3 lousy policies had a reason, which was to inspire others to discuss them... sadly, i wasnt able to tie the knots that formed, but I will return to normal editing as soon as i finish this thing i have open in the other window. BRB --People's Commissar Hagnat ^talk 03:06, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

I'd say wait until mister I've-got-my-priorities-mixed-up ^ gives some sort of a response. We all UD is more important than life... weekend maybe?-- AHLG T G THE END IS NIGH! 20:36, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Yay from me. You? -- AHLG T G THE END IS NIGH! 20:51, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

That's two Yays, he's through to the next round. We could use the sysops and he knows what he's doing. =p Plus I'll get to play with buttons. One Hagnat sized sysop, coming right up. -- C h e e s e 22:12, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

o/\o

high five on the first ALiB entry :D --x o x o 00:18, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Hard Warning

Please remember to always use when issuing warnings or you will face frivolous misconduct cases.--x o x o 00:23, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Permabanned Users

So it seems that members of the team are open to reviewing previous vandal banning cases in order to bring them up to date with this policy. Does this work for you, or do you have any comments that you would like to make? --Akule ^{Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule ^{School's back in session™}} 20:41, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Two Things

Its regarding that arbitration case, need ya before it gets nasty. First, this: http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Template:Ridleybankgroups Look at the history. Now, in some suburbs where Umbrella is active, one or two of our subgroups is active too so we place them under our name in the active group list as seen in Ridleybank (or Shearbank among others). We have been doing that for a long time now, long before any arb case. Since haliman uses the same acronym, UBCS, and even the same emblem he seems to want to separate that. I disagree. We are not going to adapt our subgroup list just because he is such a copying *******. If he wants to list his group so badly in Ridleybank then he will just have to place above or below ours. And then there will be two UBCS's listed in Ridleybank but he stays away from ours.

Second, at his group page it still says (under "Announcements") * Haliman has taken Airheadoh up on his offer and has taken over the UBCS. This is not hostile, as Haliman had the consent of Airheadoh. Sept. 27 The arb case proved that this is not true so I dont see any reason why it needs to stay.

I hope you want to help with this, I thank you for you time in advance.--Thadeous Oakley 09:11, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

If he wants to add his group to that page, he should do so without interfering with yours (or at the very least get his own emblem). On the second point, it's up to him what he puts on his page, but I will talk to him later on about it and ask that he changes that particular statement. -- C h e e s e 17:05, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Cheese is vile???

I had no idea you felt that way... ;) --x o x o 13:06, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism?

This guy has one of those annoying fake orange message bars on the top of his page. When someone clicks on it, they're logged out of the wiki, and this can be quite annoying when you're working on something in a different tab. Would I be justified in making a vandal report, since he doesn't seem to have been around since January? Is there a policy on malicious links anywhere? Thanks, --Pestolence^(talk) 18:52, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

There is a malicious links policy but, this isn't normally considered covered under it.--Karek^maps?! 19:08, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

I see. I've had a look at the policy pages and the only one that seems to prohibit malicious links is the one against malicious links in sigs. Could you direct me to the malicious links policy? or were you referring to the malicious signature policy? --Pestolence^(talk) 19:53, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Wasn't Finis or somebody warned way back when cause he had one of those? Or am I not thinking right...--/~Rakuen~\^Talk

I Still Love Grim 20:07, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

That would be it I think, anything else is considered vandalism under bad faith. However we generally only consider malicious sites or links that crash the wiki vandalism. I know this specific thing has come up a few times in Vandal Banning and has always been ruled not vandalism, although it's annoying it's not really harmful.--Karek^maps?! 20:15, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Not vandalism? Er, I know for a fact that Special:Userlogout links in those orange bars have always been considered vandalism. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 23:00, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

You sure that wasn't just in signatures, 'cause I know it's definitely against the rules to link there but I can't remember us ever ruling it vandalism in the orange bars, I'm pretty sure there are actually still some pages with them.--Karek^maps?! 23:38, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi I would like to bring your attention on the SOS thread
my post was considered as vandalism,
as I when I saw the CZLG (Carreer Zombies Lobby Group(s)) completly flood the SOS page
I saw them overload with trolling
I saw they could keep put their post even above Table Of Contents during so long without anyone saying anything about it...
then I didnt erase anything
and only moved the pair of mock comments that were above the TOC at the bottom of the page
with their other similar comments that they spammed several times
then I put a comment that all that was the same
and it was cancelled... ok fine its vandalism so be it...
but look: I added a note with explanations about why their arguments were wrong
and insights about the situation with a link to my opininon
to not overload the page like the CZLG enjoyed to do with same arguments repeated over and over
and that comment was allowed to stay
But even that was removed afterwards by the CZLG !
They have several wiki members that are very active
and they felt like they could completely wipe out anything that doesnt please them
and remove any traces of other's right of expression !
Here is what I am talking about : http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Talk:S.O.S.
and they keep putting their mock comments again above Table Of Contents:
rather than dealing debating with my opinion which was demonstrating the flaws of their reasoning they just removed it completely with "00:22, 20 December 2008 The Hierophant (Talk | contribs) (Undo revision 1341004 by Special:Contributions/Sarkomance (User talk:Sarkomance) Vandalism mised in with retarded opinions.)" <- this user considers I dont even have the right to express myself, its the abuse I was denouncing ! They flood or wipe out completely the others opinions and they silence others just because they believe that only their opinion is not "retarded" is that a sign of intelligence ?--Sarkomance 00:47, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Suggestion:20081027 Hello! Can you hear me?

You seemed positive about this on Developing Suggestions and its going to fail Peer reviewed as it stands by 1 vote. Any chance of you mucking in? --Ross less ne s s^{Want a Location Image?} 22:01, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Images

Hey, Cheese, I know there isn't a policy and radda radda, but when I go through the unused images I usually don't delete the "alternate" images for malls just in case they are actually used when the mall is taken. I also leave images that are just a month old alone just in case. There are always plenty after the deadline anyway that need to go. It's always so tempting to make an image ark when I go through them! --– Nubis ^NWO 03:44, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Dw he only deleted the pngs, theres jpgs of them all and Mall Images will save us all! --x o x o 03:55, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Much ta. =p I shall bear that in mind. -- C h e e s e 18:18, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

All PNGs of mall images are duplicates, the used versions should be in jpg format and are already image arked somewhere, I think in a subpage of Hagnat's.--Karek^maps?! 23:29, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Well we have a community page of it now, and it's happened before (with the jpg version) so yeah.--x o x o 00:06, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Erm, JPEG should really only be used for photos. Unless the JPEGs are the most original files available and nobody has access to source materials used to create them, PNG should be the technically superior choice. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 07:55, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

PNG for the win! I hate jpg! >=[ and PNG's can have transparency, oooooooooh D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 09:28, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

We have jpgs for all of them, if you wanna scrounge around for the pngs that might exist and add them to Mall Images feel free.--x o x o 14:23, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Few questions, actually only one, what are those little red exclamation marks in RC?--x o x o 00:01, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Patrolled Edits--Karek^maps?! 00:22, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Does anyone actually use it?--x o x o 03:28, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Not really, there's not much that would fit the category of things that should be marked as such unless we wanted to start patrolling for vandals by marking non-vandal edits.--Karek^maps?! 18:03, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Regarding Badges

Hey, Cheese... I was wondering if I could update some of the ops on the special ops page with links to the badges... just wanted to check with you first to see if it's cool... Lorddragonfang 05:54, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Soldier UDW

11/22/08: I have scraped the Z.E.M.A. Profile one for deletion because the name is too big to fit onto Graffiti in Urban Dead. I have made the ZEMA Profile one because the name is more smaller. Your supposed to delete the other one, not this one! -- 01:41, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

P.S. The plan was to create an article for Advertizement and User Profile uses so I created the ZEMA Profile one. The other one you have merged was auctully scrapped for deletion. And once I made the ZEMA Profile page, it then gets moved to Zombie Emergency Management Agency/Profile and I could still use the origonal name for it to all work. That was the plan! And you deleted the Z.E.M.A. Profile one but you duplicated it to make the Zombie Emergency Management Agency/Profile and sent the ZEMA Profile one for deletion which is the opposite. If this dosen't make sence then just delete both the Zombie Emergency Management Agency/Profile and the ZEMA Profile and then I will go back to Square One.

Drama and Propaganda

Hello. I've recently noticed that a certain user (http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Special:Contributions/Captain_Rickety) continues to write lies and negative propaganda against my group, and we do not like that. So, is there anything you can do against it? --ScouterTX 14:31, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

==I do not Understand==

You left something on my talk page and I am not sure what it is or meanVenger 21:22, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Firetwigs my roomates character man. Venger 21:28, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

How strange. After successfully completing numerous headers on The Six Weapons of Power successfully, you make a mistake on this page. And not signing. thats a good touch. Thank goodness you know how to modify templates, upload images and sort out table code. --Ross less ne s s^{Want a Location Image?} 21:30, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I know. And isn't this a coincidence? -- C h e e s e 21:35, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

And the fact that they are all vandals on there own merit doesn't help ether (not to mention all the anti-Saramu templates.) Linkthewindow Talk 21:36, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Aaaaaaaaaaand back it goes. =p -- C h e e s e 21:46, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

I was in a hurry to post. No need to go down my throat man. Venger 21:37, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

I hadn't noticed that. Also noted the similar flaws on pages,

leaving a space at the beginning of lines. It happens a couple of times on Firetwigs page.

That and the fact the edit histories of the socks fill in the gaps of each other? Still. Might be coincidence. --Ross less ne s s^{Want a Location Image?} 21:38, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't follow. 'Leaving a space at the beginning of lines?" Venger 21:43, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

I think he is talking about suttle little habits in your editing that you share with Firetwig. Linkthewindow Talk 21:46, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Things

Please see the vandal banning page (latest add). Karek provided help but I'd like your response as the arbitrator, if possible.--Thadeous Oakley 00:00, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Users?

Hi there. I was wondering, do the users listed on User:Light_Master really exist? Or I should place those pages in the Speedy Deletion Queue? --Janus ^talk 23:11, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

You can check yourself. Click their link then check if User contributions is a button on the left and has any edits in it. If it does, it's real. If not, it's fake.--x o x o 23:19, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Already checked. They do exist. He's created accounts for them all so that means even more to keep an eye on. We can't ban them without him committing vandalism since I'm pretty sure we don't have any rules against alt accounts. -- C h e e s e 23:23, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

On that, it really shouldn't matter considering he hasn't made an edit since October. =) -- C h e e s e 23:31, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

I see. I checked the User Contribution page as J3D said, but only his main account and other three (User:Super_Fast, User:Vince_Light, User:Ryan_Striker) "made edits". --Janus ^talk 23:33, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah. Like I said, he hasn't made any edits for about 2 months and I've made a list on my sandpit to keep track of them all just in case. So hopefully nothing to worry about. =) Thanks for pointing it out though. -- C h e e s e 23:35, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks! :) --Janus ^talk 23:39, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Cheezels is there a way to check if a user exists other than the edit check? If not, shouldn't the one's that haven't edited be deleted?--x o x o 00:35, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

User contributions is the fastest way, there's Special:Listusers, the user toolbox should also always have Email, Block, and User Contributions links. If they aren't there it's not a real user.--Karek^maps?! 01:29, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Does that list only show users who have made at least one edit?--x o x o 11:31, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

No, Listusers shows all accounts.--Karek^maps?! 19:29, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Ah k.--x o x o 00:44, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

User:JaredV

You asked about it on A/SD, so I'm his new account. Just wanted to let you know so you don't think I'm a meatpuppet or anything. --Pestolence^(talk) 01:44, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

This Soldier Guy

Who is this Soldier guy anyway? I've got someone telling me I'm Soldier, I'm not Soldier by the way. I've copied his organizing method and a few of his ways for my use, its no big deal. Really, who's Soldier since I keep asking people the same question over and over lately?

--Sergeant William Holt 02:45, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

He lives in your mirror, Sarge. --Pestolence^(talk) 02:47, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

User talk:Krazy Monkey