Developing Suggestions

Developing Suggestions

This section is for presenting and reviewing suggestions which have not yet been submitted and are still being worked on.

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Please Read Before Posting

• Be sure to check The Frequently Suggested List and the Suggestions Dos and Do Nots before you post your idea. You can read about many ideas that have been suggested already, which users should be aware of before posting what could be a dupe: a duplicate of an existing suggestion. These include Machine Guns and Sniper Rifles.
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• If you decide not to take your suggestion to voting, please remove it from this page to avoid clutter.
• It is recommended that users spend some time familiarizing themselves with this page before posting their own suggestions.
• After new game updates, users are requested to allow time for the game and community to adjust to these changes before suggesting alterations.

How To Make a Suggestion

Adding a New Suggestion

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• Paste the copied text above the other suggestions, right under the heading.
• Substitute the text in RED CAPITALS with the details of your suggestion.

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• Name - Give the suggestion a short but descriptive name.
• Type is the nature of the suggestion, such as a new class, skill change, balance change, etc. Basically: What is it? and Is it new, or a change?
• Scope is who or what the suggestion affects. Typically survivors or zombies (or both), but occasionally Malton, the game interface or something else.
• Description should be a full explanation of your suggestion. Include information like flavor text, search odds, hit percentages, etc, as appropriate. Unless you are as yet unsure of the exact details behind the suggestion, try not to leave out anything important. Check your spelling and grammar.

Cycling Suggestions

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Suggestions

Making AP's More Abundant

Timestamp: Chase1993 18:14, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Type: Entire Game

Scope: Entire Game

Description: Okay, I may seem stupid, and this has probably been asked many times before, but WHY do we have so few AP's and WHY do they take so long to recharge? This makes the game EXTREMELY annoying to people who are not entirely dedicated to the game. When I recommended the game to my friends, they all replied in various ways this basic statement: "What the hell is this? It's not even a game; all you can do is spend 5 minutes max everyday on it." I myself enjoy the game, but it actually keeps me awake at night wondering WHY the game is like this. I propose that these changes be made: 1. Player's maximum AP points increased to 100 2. AP points recharge at the rate of 1 every 5 minutes 3. After a player logs out, there character would stay online for 30 minutes before disapperaing I understand that this would change some of the fundamental aspects of the game, but I think it would make the game much funner for all, and would CERTAINLY make it easier for casual gamers to play, get something accomplished, and enjoy the game. I would like people to comment on my ideas, and ways they could be tweaked, as I realize that other things may need to be changed as well for these changes to be feasible.

Discussion (Making AP's More Abundant)

No. This makes individual players way too powerful, and you seem to miss the point that UD is meant to be a five-minutes-a-day kind of game. There are plenty of other ways to use up your free time between UD sessions, metagaming/joining a group being one of them. --Bob Boberton ^{TF / DW} 18:23, 26 October 2009 (BST)

Well, I'm not entirely opposed to increasing the max AP. But recharging at 1AP per 5 minutes is way too fast, 288AP per day is just overkill. As for everyone disappearing after 30 minutes, how the hell are zombies going to get food and XP when they break into buildings and there is no one there to attack? - User:Whitehouse 18:27, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Too many questions. Even the worst suicide repairs ever recorded (160 ap plus I think is the highest ever done) could be completed in a day. And zombies could ruin everything if players idled out so quickly. Also would probably cripple the server. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 18:36, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Folks in my group have done 220+AP repairs, I believe, and there are others who have done larger ones.

Anyway, getting back to the bigger issue, these changes would not make the game more casual friendly; they would actually do the opposite. Also, the entire game is balanced around a slow recharge rate and a limited max AP, otherwise people can do too much before others log back in again. There's a similar zombie game that recharges AP every 7.5 minutes. That game seems to be unbalanced though, in that people can go on killing sprees while others are recharging, and your suggestion is way beyond what that other game has. It would ruin the tempo and nature of the game and upset all of the balances done over the years, since AP is everything. So, no. Just no. —Aichon— 19:18, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

RE: TO ALL OF THE ABOVE Of course, the 30 minute after logout could be changed. Perhaps 2 hours would be better. As to letting people accomplish way to much while other people are logged out, that's the idea. If people could accomplish alot, more people would be encouraged to play. It would obviously change the whole style of the game, and I didn't expect my suggestion to be universally well recieved, but come on, don;t you ever wish you could spend hours playing at a time? In my opinion, Urban Dead is the best game out there, and i've played WOW. I just wish I could play Urban Dead more often than I can now.

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Jammed In The Door

Timestamp: Cookies and Cream 09:56, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Type: I have no idea

Scope: Everyone

Description: Okay, simply put a Zombie can choose to jam themselves in the doorway for 10AP. Being jammed in the door increases your AP regen time to 1AP/Hour. Jamming in doorway makes closing the door impossible until you clear the body, and as such make barricading impossible. Clearing the body pushes it outside. Clearing the doorway costs 5AP. When clearing, you can push up to 5 Zombies at at time i.e. If there are 6 Zombie jammed, then it will cost 10 AP to unjam. It costs another 10AP for a zombie to unjam themselves from the door.

Discussion (Jammed In The Door)

You'll run into problems, since this violates one of the basic "do not" principles of suggestions, namely don't mess with your AP. Also you need to specify how it would work. Do the barricades need to be down for a zombie to jam themselves in a door? Why would it make them regen their AP faster to be trapped in a doorway? How can you actually jam your body into a doorway, is it even possible? I'm just asking these question to get you to consider some of the possible answers.--_GANG Giles Sednik _CAPD 10:18, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

When you say it "increases your AP regen time to 1AP/Hour," do you mean that it decreases to 1AP/hour (i.e. AP recharges at half the usual rate) or that it increases by 1AP/hour (i.e. AP recharges 50% faster)? Anyway, the concept doesn't make sense from a realism standpoint, since if a zombie is jammed in the door so hard that a survivor can't close the door, the doorway itself would effectively be closed off, blocking any further zombies from entering. Also, why does it cost those values for AP and why can multiple zombies be cleared at once (and why up to five and not more/less)? There are a lot of details here that haven't been justified in any way, and, as I seem to be making a habit out of saying here, seem rather arbitrary. —Aichon— 10:33, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

I think I see what you are after but I doubt it would work in game. I was going to suggest a "defend door" skill for zombies a while back but knew it would hit problems. For the record i was thinking something like adding "next barricader" to the attack drop down and having the system run the attack whenever that action triggered it. --Honestmistake 12:27, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

I didn't bother because i could hear the trenchies screaming "auto attack"... Still the idea of some bugger trying to close the door in a siege only to have 20-30 dormant zeds suddenly savage him is funny :) --Honestmistake 12:29, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes it is, as is some ignorant trenchie trying to 'cade his one man army base and finding that he can't because a zombie is stuck in the door.

I meant it like decreasing to just 1AP per hour. And seeing as and its a volutary thing, but I can see what you mean by not messing with AP. I figured moving 5 would be okay, because each of those zombies would probably weigh around 40kg and if your tough enough to survive in a Zombocalypse, then you should be able to push 40kg of dead body. And if I put my foot in a doorway, then you can't shut it - What if a) I was a dead body that felt no pain and/or b) my entire body was in the way. Cookies and Cream 13:21, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

I like the idea of blocking doorways, so I'm all over this in flavour terms. As you're trying to implement it, though, is another matter. I would say that blocking the door should cost, say, 5AP, and you can make no further actions after blocking the door or the effects are lost. While blocking you're just treated as a standing zombie, but the doors can't be closed unless you're dead. Having multiple zombies blocking a door seems a bit unfeasible though, since doors tend to be sized for one person. This way it's a more simple and elegant idea, which retains the flavour, and gives zeds a nice option in a smaller siege (especially if they've got a rotter or two on their side). 14:41, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

I think the reason for the AP regen change (thematically) is that the body is being "used" (squished in the door). As for the "don't mess with your ap", I have this, from the FAQ as a counter There may eventually be character skills which modify the maximum AP and its recharge rate, but the basic starting-character settings will remain the same.. If your jamed in the door, wouldn't that still impede others from entering, unless you were laying down? And if your laying down, your a "corpse" and could be tossed like any other corpse.--Pesatyel 19:00, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

I'd imagine he tacked that sentence on so that if there were any great suggestions about AP manipulation, they could be implemented. This doesn't nearly qualify for that.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 17:15, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Have you ever been in a major siege? It's virtually impossible to stop zombies from getting in, so the real way the winner is determined is a contest between the humans who meatshield, re-cade, and kill, and the zombies who rush in, interfere, and take down humans. How does letting zombies stop humans from re-cading balance this situation out? For that matter, doesn't interference already cover this in spades? Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 03:04, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

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Building Repair Change

Timestamp: Necrofeelinya 03:55, 24 October 2009 (BST)

Type: Game Mechanic Change

Scope: Survivors

Description: Just running this idea up the flagpole to see who salutes, fact is I've played a zombie for so long I don't remember all that well how ruin repairs work for harmans anyway, and this is kind of a spur of the moment idea, but here it is. I think suicide repairs are kind of silly. First, you take a building that may have been down for so long it's utterly decrepit and turn it into a functioning building in an instant. Your buddies 'cade you in, or maybe you use your zombie buddies to turn it to a VSB ruin from inside, and the guy who suicide repaired is stuck there for an indeterminate amount of time until he goes back to positive AP, possibly even idling out while he does so. He can't play, so he may as well not even log on until the day he's calculated his next positive AP balance will be. I'd like to propose an alternative. I suggest that ruin repairs no longer occur in an instant. I think that players with the construction skill and toolboxes should be able to set their character to repair a ruined building, and the AP cost to repair should be gradually deducted from their AP at a rate of 1 point per half hour, the same rate at which they accumulate AP. The effects as I see it (and if anyone else sees another effect I'm sure you'll let me know) are as follows: First, ruin repairs would take longer to bring a building up to a functional level where they can be 'caded. No more buildings instantly coming up and your buddies protecting you by 'cading for you. That's the negative for survivors. Second, you would no longer be stuck in a building while suicide repairing it. If you have 50 AP, you can set yourself to repair a building and all along you'll have 50 AP, since the rate of AP consumption is the same as the rate of AP accrual. And what this means is that you can interrupt a suicide repair and run away if you're ambushed. You're no longer stuck. Say you start a repair with 23 AP saved. Your 23 AP remains intact the whole time you're repairing. You can use it to run away at any time if the heat in the neighborhood gets to be too much. Third, this opens up a new possibility... multiple survivors working to repair a building more quickly. If more than one survivor wants to work on repairing a building, their efforts combine to speed its repair. Thus, if two survivors want to repair a building that costs 150 AP to fix, it'll cost them just 75 AP each. If a third survivor joins in, that'll bring it to 50 AP each. Fourth, since repairing becomes an action that works over a period of time, you can no longer idle out while recovering from a suicide repair. If you idle out, you stop repairing the building. It's that simple, if you're not technically there, you can't repair. Honestly, I'm not really sure what the effect on game balance would be, and I have no idea what the effect in Malton would be. It's hard to predict. But I think it just makes more sense this way. Old ruins instantly coming up and becoming functional has been kind of a silly concept all along, and the notion that you can't run away while repairing a building is kind of silly too. The notion that the cost of repair all has to fall on one survivor has been silly, and being able to idle out to avoid the full cost of suicide repairs is as well. This would address all of that. Opinions?

Discussion (Building Repair Change)

Well, first of all AP =/= time. It is related, but they are not equal. Everything else in game occurs instantly, including syringe manufacturing and surgery (two things that would, comparatively, take longer to do). This idea IS different, but that will be the primary argument I think people will use. What might be better is to allow a player to allocate X amount of AP to a repair job as they see fit.--Pesatyel 04:06, 24 October 2009 (BST)

Yeah, you can run away if ambushed - because the probability of logging on in the middle of an attack and still being alive is so high. Granted, you're probably not going to be noticed in a ruin, but still - high level zed wanders in with 30+ AP, you die. Oh, and you could just zerg buildings to "repair them faster" or leave expendable sleeper characters in buildings repairing them over time. UD does not play the game for you. --Bob Boberton ^{TF / DW} 05:38, 24 October 2009 (BST)

I think your missing part of the point. If you attempted to repair a 150 AP ruin, for example, your charcter is out of action for 3 days. If your APed out in a building and get attacked before you play again, there is the chance the attacker won't kill you and, when you log back in with some AP, you can respond (attack back, heal, run). But if your APed out for multiple days, if your attacker can't get you on day 1, there is always day 2 and 3 (using the above example). As for the other part, there IS an "auto-effect" feature in the game already. Granted the suggestion isn't quite the same as the in-game feature, nor do I like the suggestion as it is, but just stating a fact.--Pesatyel 06:32, 24 October 2009 (BST)

My main issue with this idea is the automatic aspect of it. Auto-attacking and auto-defending aren't kosher (and for good reasons), and I don't see why auto-repairing should be either. I do agree with the idea that it's a bit silly for a single person to be able to undo a half year's worth of ruination in one action though. Perhaps a better way to handle it would be to only let survivors spend AP that they actually have? So, if a building needs 75AP to be repaired, and someone wanders in with 25AP, they could repair it back to 50AP by themselves. It's somewhere in the middle between your suggestion and what we have now. —Aichon— 05:48, 24 October 2009 (BST)

I kind of like that idea. Or even tweak it to say that you cannot complete any action that would take you to less than -10 AP, and apply it across the board to all actions. So using Aichon's survivor, they could repair 35AP on the building. A survivor with only 1 AP could not complete a syringe manufacture (or might not be able to do so at all). I don't like the auto-repair as the initial suggestion goes, but I'm all for the partial-repair. --Maverick ^{Talk - OBR 404} 07:52, 24 October 2009 (BST)

I was actually thinking of suggesting that we disallow any negative AP at all, but I figured that might be a bit of a bigger issue, and I didn't want to distract people from the suggestion as it is now by bringing up even more points (such as ?rise, suicide revives, etc.). —Aichon— 08:39, 24 October 2009 (BST)

I was thinking that initially too, but then realized that it isn't the going into negative AP that bothers people so much as MASSIVE negative AP. So setting some kind of barrier (-10, -15, whatever) helps limit things. --Maverick ^{Talk - OBR 404} 19:14, 24 October 2009 (BST)

I like the sentiment, I don't like the mechanics. Maybe it'd be better to increase the rate of repair AP needed? So instead of 1 AP a day, we'd go 5. That way, you're not out for only three days to repair half a year's worth of ruination, you're spending fifteen days, even if it's instant. RinKou 22:44, 24 October 2009 (BST)

That still doesn't fix the issue of someone essentially idling out from doing a suicide repair though, which was one of the issues being addressed. --Maverick ^{Talk - OBR 404} 23:06, 24 October 2009 (BST)

As this suggestion is currently proposed, there would be little cost to survivors for repairing a building. You would simply plan to rest in a ruined building while you were near 50AP and then allow yourself to automatically pump out the "repair points". As it is now, massive repairs are a sacrifice and a major pain in the ass to survivors. Dealing with -80AP requires teamwork and we should encourage teamwork. I could see 3 or 4 survivors fixing any building with almost no drawback if this suggestion were implemented.--_GANG Giles Sednik _CAPD 00:16, 25 October 2009 (BST)

Giles is right and the limited AP repairs working towards the total are no better as they would allow a survivor to wander in spend 40AP and wander off again only to come back and do it all over again until its fixed. Nothing a zombie could do would counteract that as they could not speed the ruin back to its former state! --Honestmistake 01:32, 25 October 2009 (BST)

that makes sense. What about just a cap on how long a building could contine to "ruin"?--Pesatyel 18:52, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Okay, with all that said, I think this suggestion is basically DOA. Especially because of the zerging issue. I don't see a way to really fix it without scrapping the suggestion and starting from scratch. Thanks for the input.--Necrofeelinya 02:06, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

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Focused Search

Timestamp: Blake Firedancer T E RNL? P.I.S.I.T. 11:40, 23 October 2009 (BST)

Type: Skill (Civilian)

Scope: Survivors

Description: This civilian ability allows survivors to search for a specific item. Next to the Search button, there will be a drop-down menu. In that menu, there will be a listing of every item in the game, as well as a default setting of "Anything". When it is set to a specific item, searches will automatically discard any found item that is not the specified item, stating You search for [wanted item], but find [received item] instead. Searching for a specific item ignores the 'auto-discard' settings in the player's profile. Search rates are NOT affected. This means that, no matter how often you look for one, you'll never find a shotgun in a school. You will also not be informed if the item cannot be found in the current area. You also cannot search for guns with specific ammo counts.

Discussion (Focused Search)

So, this is essentially the equivalent of unchecking all but one option in your Settings, except that it would be faster to do? Or is there more to it than that? —Aichon— 11:48, 23 October 2009 (BST)

Yeah, that's pretty much it. --Blake Firedancer ^{T E RNL? P.I.S.I.T.} 22:52, 23 October 2009 (BST)

no. :| -- SA 12:17, 23 October 2009 (BST)

It's like no-one even checks the archives for better versions any more. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 12:43, 23 October 2009 (BST)

I could find some others I reckon. But yep, its a dupe. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 14:08, 23 October 2009 (BST)

Not sure, but I think I suggested a version of this. It was crap though. Cookies and Cream 01:06, 24 October 2009 (BST)

Haha, everything ever has been suggested it seems. What would we do without Iscariot finding all the dupes?

Generally. But the above dupe is nearly 4 years old to the day. A lot has happened since then and there is no reason not to retry ideas. Some people don't actually give a crap about suggestions. They just like yelling "DUPE!".--Pesatyel 04:11, 24 October 2009 (BST)

Sure, a lot has happened, but how much has happened to searching? That's the only thing that matters here. --Midianian 11:38, 24 October 2009 (BST)

Well, as mentioned in the suggestion, you have the auto-discard feature.--Pesatyel 19:26, 24 October 2009 (BST)

I don't see the need for a change that can be just as easily done by going into your Settings page. --Maverick ^{Talk - OBR 404} 19:10, 24 October 2009 (BST)

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Who killed me?

Timestamp: --Haliman - Talk 00:23, 21 October 2009 (BST)

Type: Interface Change (I think?)

Scope: All players

Description: Simple. I think the capitalized letter "i" should be viewed as this instead of a lowercase "L". Why? To stop confusion. EX: RossIessness "rossiessness" attacks and kills another group's member. That member takes a screenshot, and reports it to his group. Now "Rosslessness" and "Rossiessness" are both going to be blacklisted/searched by the group. The current "i" now is a major troll tool.

Discussion Who killed me?

[Haliman] profile A....[Haliman ]Profile B...still very exploitable in my opinion. -- 

•   Timmah!  

•   Talk  

00:56, 21 October 2009 (BST)

So, you want a serif font to be used, but only for capital letter Is in character names? Seems somewhat convoluted to me. Besides, it seems kinda odd to make a change like this in order to support meta-gaming, since that's the only time that it matters. Most of the PK list sites require links to the profile anyway, so you have the character ID, which is already unique. —Aichon— 01:03, 21 October 2009 (BST)

it seems kinda odd to make a change like this in order to support meta-gaming, since that's the only time that it matters. - That's pretty much all that keeps ALOT of the players here playing UD. --Haliman - Talk 01:13, 21 October 2009 (BST)

I don't disagree with that, but, aside from making data available, which is already being done, stuff like this seems to fall outside the scope of the game. Besides, a more consistent way to do it would be to display the character ID of the person that killed you in parenthesis next to their name, but since we already have a link to their profile, such things should be unnecessary. —Aichon— 01:26, 21 October 2009 (BST)

That would take up a lot of space on the game screen.--Haliman - Talk 01:37, 21 October 2009 (BST)

We're arguing details of an unrelated issue, but 9 characters (e.g. "(1598119)"), at most, is not a lot of space. Besides, as I said, such things aren't necessary anyway. —Aichon— 03:07, 21 October 2009 (BST)

Totally unneeded. If I want to confuse the subject or frame you I will. Read the section on Industrial Light and Magical Fraud. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 01:18, 21 October 2009 (BST)

Already saw. But all the names to frame me are taken *cough, KRAUSER cough cough*--Haliman - Talk 01:31, 21 October 2009 (BST)

I don't even need control of the account I'm using to frame you with. I could make an iwit of Bub killing Petro with a katana if I so chose. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 01:37, 21 October 2009 (BST)

After reading that...he scares me. I found it rather amusing though, and a good read. -- 

•   Timmah!  

•   Talk  

17:05, 21 October 2009 (BST)

I've always been annoyed with fonts that don't distinguish between I and l, Illustrated by the Ill coceived font on this page. However I agree with others here that it isn't a gameplay problem. STIll, I'd support you just because I, GIles the lIl, fucking hate fonts that use the same characters for different letters.--_GANG Giles Sednik _CAPD 02:27, 24 October 2009 (BST)

i c wut u did thur... Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 02:55, 24 October 2009 (BST)

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Pipe Bomb

Timestamp: VanDammit 04:46, 17 October 2009 (BST)

Type: New Weapon

Scope: Survivors

Description: Due to my frustration of finding Lengths of Pipes and then realizing they have no use beyond providing cheap barricades and encumbering me, I have put on my thinking cap and done some thinking. What if, length of pipe + skill (new skill! Engineering! or something) + maybe some other item (something that'll blow up...gasoline?) = Pipe Bomb! Basically, you take it, and chuck it at a zombie. Of course, this would be item combination. So if there are lots of item-combo haterz, then we'll just make this pipe bomb an item you can find. Okay, so now...what does it do? It's a 55% base hit rate, but only does 1-3 damage (random, and low). HOWEVER If there's a hugeass horde of zeds, every single one takes damage from it due to shrapnel shred., unless you guys think that's a Multiply by a Billion scenario. In that case, we can just cap off the number of zombies that can be hurt to like....8 or 10 random unlucky zeds. Encumberance: 10% You use it by standing in the same block as the target, and attacking the target with "Pipebomb". The target will definetly sustain damage if the 55% hit, and surrounding targets will be chosen at random. Get a message: You light the fuse from a safe distance, chuck the pipebomb, and dash for cover. A few seconds later, the explosion sends shockwaves and bodyparts through the air, and the sound echoes into the surrounding area. You chuckle at the carnage you have caused. Haha! But NOTE THIS: The 55% percent hit rate is given that you succeed in throwing the pipebomb in the first place. You have a 15% chance of screwing up, in which case... You light the fuse from a safe distance and prepare to chuck the pipebomb when, suddenly, you realized the fuse is alot shorter than you thought it was. In panic, you accidentally drop the bomb, and fly into the air alongside chunks of the surrounding asphalt as the bomb detonates. Haha! This is a one time use item (no sh!t), and it'll be a semi-rare item (to prevent the Multiply by a Billion scenario, where survivors rain down bombs on zeds) Ummm...what else?... Ohyeah! And to even odds out, if a pipe bomb detonates, zombies/survivors in surrounding blocks (i dunno, like 3x3?) can hear it, so i guess it'll attract zombies. xD You can also set off pipebombs next to barricades (if you attack the barricade with Pipebomb), which will instantly take it down 2 levels (a form of demolition), You light the fuse and swiftly lodge the bomb into a crack between the boards of the barricade. You manage to jump behind cover just in time as the blast tears through a layer of the barricade. Although there will be a 45% chance that: "As you light the fuse and prepare to lodge the bomb between the cracks of the barricade, you trip, drop the bomb, and fly into the air alongside pieces of the barricade as the bomb detonates in your face. Haha!. In that case, you sustain major boo boos, and the cade will be damaged 0-1 levels (cuz the bomb wasn't lodged in). No surrounding bystanders are hurt if you attack barricade, whether you succeed or get laughed at. I don't know about this last part, but anyways: it can be used indoors xD (to clear out zombies). Although that'd give an unfair advantage to medics, who can just blow all the survivors up and get major healing XP....so scratch that. That's it! ....Haha!

Discussion (Pipe Bomb)

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No idea who you are, but I gotta say, this suggestion gave me a really good chuckle. Or, at least a snort. Well, it would have, if I wasn't on the tail end of a cold. Long story short, horrible suggestion, but I enjoyed the (what I believe to be and am hoping is in fact) good humor present in it. Thanks for that much. —Aichon— 05:57, 17 October 2009 (BST)

Your argument is that your sick of finding useless pipes? First of all pipes can be used for a quick barricade. Secondly, if you go into your settings and switch it off, you won't FIND any pipes.--Pesatyel 06:04, 17 October 2009 (BST)

This is a dupe. I can't be arsed to look for the others, but pipebombs/Molotovs have been suggested almost as much as an SMG. In addition to the multiply by a billion rule, there's also the problem of why AoE doesn't work in this game at all. AoE worked in Nexus War because most of the game was clearing out buildings as fast as possible. The problem with UD is that the only people who'd try to clear out a building as fast as possible are, for the most part, PKers. Unless you're trying to reclaim a ruined building, this will have next to no effect on zombies. The only real other tactical use would be to weaken zombies outside during a siege so you can take them down easier once they get inside, but at that point, 1-3 damage is completely useless anyway. RinKou 19:50, 17 October 2009 (BST)

RinKou seems to have put forward a simplified version of my standard argument against AoE. Understand that you might think it's cool for bombs and explosive weapons, but you are an idiot and you're just going to be hurting yourself when people like me with my death cultist come along and start piñata-ing malls in a single strike with a few friends. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 19:56, 17 October 2009 (BST)

1. You spelled shit wrong.
2. This idea has been done to death.

Can we get pipe bombs/AoE weapons included in the D&DN or Freq Suggested? Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 22:53, 18 October 2009 (BST)

They already are.--Orange Talk 23:18, 18 October 2009 (BST)

Thanks gaffy, and to SC: try reading the basic rules and guidelines before you suggest something. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 23:49, 18 October 2009 (BST)

Remember though that "freq suggested" is not the same as "insta-spam, do not even think of suggesting!!!!" It is there to warn potential suggestors that such ideas need to be very carefully thought out as they will hit strong opposition and harsh questioning!. Kevan himself has stated that he is not opposed to well reasoned (and balanced) suggestions of all these types. --Honestmistake 23:02, 20 October 2009 (BST)

Insta-Spam is rarely the problem. It's the "Insta-Dupe".--Pesatyel 03:41, 21 October 2009 (BST)

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Music store

Timestamp: Dr yep 20:28, 15 October 2009 (BST)

Type: Resource

Scope: Search

Description: In honor of the character Tallahassee, from Zombieland, add music stores to the malls and allow players to find banjos that can be played/used as weapons. Other instruments too--who couldn't use a little live music in times like these? Busking is discouraged.

Discussion (Music store)

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Dupe.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 20:40, 15 October 2009 (BST)

I do believe "Music, Music, Music!", or a suggestion with a similar name, went to Peer Reviewed. It talked about instruments also, but in much more detail.--Rahrah^{Come join the #party!}20:58, 15 October 2009 (BST)

Which I still maintain is a dupe of Suggestion:20071027 Instruments --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 22:14, 15 October 2009 (BST)

I didn't think the "Music, Music, Music!" one let you play them?--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 09:21, 16 October 2009 (BST)

Just checked, you could play them here's the link Suggestion:20090411 Music! Music! Music! Cookies and Cream 10:56, 16 October 2009 (BST)

Oh, I thought they were weapons. Which it turns out they weren't at all.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 11:49, 16 October 2009 (BST)

I wanted them to be weapons. But it was accepted as non-attack, which sucks. Cookies and Cream 13:25, 16 October 2009 (BST)

the additional use as a weapon would be a significant enough difference to make it not a "Dupe".... sadly it would not make enough difference for it to be worth a "keep" from me!--Honestmistake 23:13, 20 October 2009 (BST)

Close though as i do like the idea of beating zeds (and random passers by) with mah geetar!!--Honestmistake 23:14, 20 October 2009 (BST)

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