Developing Suggestions
Developing Suggestions
This section is for presenting and reviewing suggestions which have not yet been submitted and are still being worked on.
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- Name - Give the suggestion a short but descriptive name.
- Type is the nature of the suggestion, such as a new class, skill change, balance change, etc. Basically: What is it? and Is it new, or a change?
- Scope is who or what the suggestion affects. Typically survivors or zombies (or both), but occasionally Malton, the game interface or something else.
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Suggestions
New FAK rules
| Timestamp: -- | T | BALLS! | 00:54 24 April 2010(UTC) |
| Type: Improvement |
| Scope: FAK's/Healing |
| Description: FAK's in this game are ridiculous. Injuries should heal slower than they are inflicted but in Urban Dead its just the opposite, they heal much faster than inflicted. FAK's are overpowered anyway even if you ignore the rest. So here are some new rules:
1 FAK heals 1 HP. First Aid Skill increases it to 1 FAK heals 2 HP. Surgery Skill increases it to 1 FAK heals 4 HP if in a powered Hospital.
Pro for Survivors: Low level players will have a lot more chance for XP gain. |
Discussion (New FAK rules)
Fuck, he's alive. Also how would this affect xp gain? 
01:02, 24 April 2010 (BST)
- I didn't think about that. Could make it too easy to XP whore if it remained 5 per I suppose. Suggestions?-- | T | BALLS! | 01:04 24 April 2010(UTC)
- XP equal to HP healed. 01:06, 24 April 2010 (BST)
- XP equal to HP healed.
Healing does need a nerf, but this makes the game less fun by increasing search time overwhelmingly. I think and appropriate change would be that there is a limit to how much healing can be done to one player in each half hour (AP regen) period. You can still apply FAKs, but the healing wouldn't take affect until the next AP tick. This would mean that survivors couldn't heal quicker than a zombie can attack. Nothing lamer than watching the survivor you are attacking miraculously gain full health in the time it takes you to claw at him a couple of times -- boxy talk • teh rulz 01:09 24 April 2010 (BST)
- I agree completely. Healing is ridiculously overpowered. Dropping the HP healed isn't the answer, but this would work great. No added 'omg, more searching!?! so boring!' but the removal of 'Kill the medic, not the heavy!'
- Also here are HealthyDude (60HP), HealingDude (34+15HP), and HurtDude (46HP) --VVV RPMBG 04:51, 24 April 2010 (BST)
- My original idea was along these lines but I thought people would get all K.I.S.S. on me. Then there is the healing someone who already has their heal for the half hour and how that works. I guess there could be a new color for that. One fix for doing it my way would be to increase search rates for FAK's so they are easier to find. I like that better because it limits the total healing potential that a single Survivor could carry at once. Instead of a Survivor being able to carry 50 FAK's at once for max 250/500/750 possible healing potential (just looking at those number makes me sick) it would be 50/100/200. A lot more sane. Increased Search Rates would make Hospitals a great Resource Point as well! As Survivors could cycle through their FAKs like mad as long as they had patients to treat. Anything that puts more focus on the "lesser Resource Points" over those Malls is a plus in my book.-- | T | BALLS! | 08:10 24 April 2010(UTC)
Or you could make the FAKs simular to a fuel can, in that you find 1 that weighs a shit load, the number of 5/10/15HP heals it deals are limited to the amount of medical equipment inside the kit. keep the search rates the same all over the place. i dunno, just tossing ideas out. but i agree with the basis of this suggestion.--Dirty 03:01, 24 April 2010 (BST)
How bout scotty don't! --
03:24, 24 April 2010 (BST)
- F.A.K.K.² --
Arthur Dent BIN LADEN IS DEAD!!!!! 09:24, 24 April 2010 (BST)
It changes game a little - I've just have to spend more boring time searching. Kill. --Girobu 14:09, 26 April 2010 (BST)
Gravedigger
| Timestamp: Matias Gray 20:37, 21 April 2010 (BST) |
| Type: new survial skill |
| Scope: survials on dead bodies |
| Description: I think the game needs an opportunity to bury bodies in the ground, cemeteries and flowerbeds. Dragging them (after all, zombies can) up from the ground, burying them with a shovel, spending 10 AP on undigging.(instead 20)
Shovels can be found in cemeteries (2%) and malls (5%). Moving the body to a neighboring cell - 5 AP |
Discussion (Gravedigger)
How would Ankle Grab affect this? 20 AP, as I am sure you are aware, is almost half of the maximum capacity. This would seriously impede someone's ability to perform - especially a feral. -- Rahrah is not too happy about another dead lexicon. 20:46, 21 April 2010 (BST)
20 ap becouse survial spend some ap to drag the body to cemestry and to bury.
20 ap becouse survials spend 20 ap when revive (use syringe and stand up)
but, ok, 10 ap is fine too.--Matias Gray 20:56, 21 April 2010 (BST)
Massively unnecessary and overpowered.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 21:04, 21 April 2010 (BST)
Headshot is bad enough as it is. I want no armies of shovel-toting trenchies in front of gatehouses who dig me in additionally, just to grieve me. --Spiderzed 21:18, 21 April 2010 (BST)
+5AP for standing up instead of 10AP digging out.good idea in fact.--Ed Readman 21:19, 21 April 2010 (BST)
This influence only on really ded bodies- like headshot, but requires more ap and give more fun&roleplay--Matias Gray 21:21, 21 April 2010 (BST)
- *less fun.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 22:17, 21 April 2010 (BST)
I think, this ability must work like Headshot skill: Zombie gets +5 AP penalty to the revive cost. And body transportation cost must be lowered, 2 AP per move. Marten265 21:26, 21 April 2010 (BST)
You can already dump our bodies out of buildings, and recade to ehb at the cost of about 30ap. now you want to bury us. i dont dig --Dirty 22:54, 21 April 2010 (BST)
No dragging bodies to new locations, even without the burying them bullshite. If I get killed, and thrown out of a building, I should be able to lie there until I choose to stand up -- boxy talk • teh rulz 09:21 22 April 2010 (BST)
- When you're dead, you should not be able anything :) --Girobu 15:59, 23 April 2010 (BST)
Massive tool for griefing. Im a pker, I head shot your character, then bury him outside. without ankle grab thats a 20ap penalty. All this does is further hurt new players. The game should be more fun, not less.--RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 09:24, 22 April 2010 (BST)
- +1 22:58, 23 April 2010 (BST)
Do you realise how long it takes to dig a grave in real life? In a locked down city crawling with zombies, how many people are going to spend that amount of time in the wide open digging graves? No-one, because it's just a slow and painful suicide. Chief Seagull squawk don't mess with the Seagull! 09:27, 22 April 2010 (BST)
As mentioned above, it's bad enough already with headshot. - User:Whitehouse 13:44, 22 April 2010 (BST)
It's good, especially body dragging must add more fun! And gives survs a way to defeat zombs. Yes-yes-yes! --Girobu 15:56, 23 April 2010 (BST)
I'm a pro-survivor and I think this way over powered. I do wish there was a better way to get rid of zombies rather than spending 20 AP to reduce their AP by 6, but this is to much.--V darkstar 17:07, 23 April 2010 (BST)
1. What the hell is a "Survial" and why are they "on dead bodies". 2. Please for the love of God/hookers/Bacon/country/whatever-the-hell-floats-your-boat write you suggestion more clearly. The first time I went through it I thought you were saying that the survivors could bury themselves in the ground and have zombies dig them up for 10-20 AP. 3. As has been said this is massively overpowered, we do not need more mechanics to hurt new zombies. Playing a zombie char for the first time is akin to bashing your head into a brick wall for a while, even with experience it is extremely unpleasant until you get a few basic skills. Screwing them over will not make the game more fun. -Devorac 17:45, 23 April 2010 (BST)
- I mean that it will be possible buried not only zombies, but but also survivors(who just revived) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Matias_Gray (talk • contribs) at an unknown time.
- I think this is a great idea. I always dreamed to bury the deceased's body deep in the soil can not harm me or my ilk again. Fortunately, this feature is that I am very hurt again a buffer between the living and the dead. Suggestions continue to make these types.--GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 23:34, 24 April 2010 (BST)
- You sir are a sarcastic twat :) --Honestmistake 01:55, 25 April 2010 (BST)
- I think this is a great idea. I always dreamed to bury the deceased's body deep in the soil can not harm me or my ilk again. Fortunately, this feature is that I am very hurt again a buffer between the living and the dead. Suggestions continue to make these types.--GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 23:34, 24 April 2010 (BST)
Scent Hunt
| Timestamp: Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 18:15, 20 April 2010 (BST) |
| Type: Skill Change |
| Scope: Zombies |
| Description: Currently, Scent Blood and Scent Trail are two seperate skills, both subskills of Scent Fear. this suggestion would propose merging them in to one skill, Scent Hunt. Details below.
Current System: Scent Fear:
Each costs 100XP. I'm proposing that instead of 2 skills, they become one zombie skill, in the same position. Although both offer a significant tactical advantage, I don't consider that they give enough of an advantage to warrant costing 100 additional XP. As such, I'd suggest that they are joined, as Scent Hunt, giving both skills for only 100XP. Everybody with both would now only have the one skill, and would be refunded 100XP. Everybody with one would now have the full skill, and would not recieve a refund. Everybody without either skill would be unaffected. Thoughts? |
Discussion (Scent Hunt)
So, for the cost of one skill, we not only get the equivalent of a super-Diagnosis skill (since it can track infections too), but we also get a homing device? I think you can see where I'm going with this. I think we already get our money's worth on those two skills as it is. —Aichon— 19:18, 20 April 2010 (BST)
- Have you ever used Scent Trail?--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 19:19, 20 April 2010 (BST)
- Yep. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 19:39, 20 April 2010 (BST)
- Would you say it's worth spending an additional 100 experience on?--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 19:43, 20 April 2010 (BST)
- Yes. Say you're an organised horde, perhaps maintaining a ruin, if a group of survivors were trying to evict you over a few days, you would have multiple sources of information telling you exactly where they were holing up each day. Then you could organise a timed strike and eat them all. Or if you were in a perma death city, its an absolute must have. Those survivors in Borehamwood don't even go near a zombie unless they know they can kill it. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 19:56, 20 April 2010 (BST)
- Excellent point on the death cities. I guess I didn't consider the co-ordinated strike side of it because I feral as a zombie.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 20:12, 20 April 2010 (BST)
- Yes. Say you're an organised horde, perhaps maintaining a ruin, if a group of survivors were trying to evict you over a few days, you would have multiple sources of information telling you exactly where they were holing up each day. Then you could organise a timed strike and eat them all. Or if you were in a perma death city, its an absolute must have. Those survivors in Borehamwood don't even go near a zombie unless they know they can kill it. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 19:56, 20 April 2010 (BST)
- Would you say it's worth spending an additional 100 experience on?--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 19:43, 20 April 2010 (BST)
- As Ross said, yep. While we don't do it often, there have been times that I've been DNA Extracted on my MOB alt and have been able to point out the building for our strike team to hit when we get done with our scheduled target for the day. Other times, I've followed the trail and found a building that was already opened up by the MOB's feral cloud. There's nothing quite so satisfying as demanding your DNA back in zombie speak, before eating the survivor's brains. —Aichon— 20:21, 20 April 2010 (BST)
- Yep. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 19:39, 20 April 2010 (BST)
As ross and aichon. I just don't think putting the two skills together would be such a good idea. It feels slightly off balance (powerwise) to have them roleed up into one skill. but I get your drift. --Jack Kolt Talk|Chars 02:32, 21 April 2010 (BST)
It's not really worth quibbling over how many XP peripheral skills cost; such skills don't all need to be "worth" the XP they cost, because by the time you buy them, you are3 earning XP pretty quickly. By peripheral skills, I mean ones that don't directly increase your ap spent / xp earned ratio. Some periphery skills act more "level padding" than anything else; even if people never use them, they still buy them!
Zombies would gain a great deal of playability from making Vigor Mortis a free skill (and giving starting zombies a new "class" skill) because they NEED Vigor Mortis to even make it to level 2. But by the time you (should be) buying scent skills above Scent Fear, you are already earning a lot of XP. Plus, as others noted, the effect of Scent Blood alone is easily worth the (by the time you buy it) low cost. 
Swiers 02:52, 22 April 2010 (BST)
Improve Diagnosis
| Timestamp: V darkstar 13:31, 20 April 2010 (BST) |
| Type: Skill Improvement |
| Scope: Evreyone |
| Description: We all know that you can't diagnose a survivor in a dark building, however I recently discovered that you also can't diagnose a survivor OUTSIDE a dark building. I suggest that anyone with diagnosis can see the health of a survivor outside a dark building. |
Discussion (Improve Diagnosis)
Bug. - User:Whitehouse 13:45, 20 April 2010 (BST)
As Whitehouse, this is a bug regarding the tagging of locations as dark. Kevan will get to it in time. -- 
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. <== DDR Approved Editor 13:46, 20 April 2010 (BST)
yeah right...--
Arthur Dent BIN LADEN IS DEAD!!!!! 14:35, 20 April 2010 (BST)
Caffine Pills
| Timestamp: BlackDragon2026 23:35, 17 April 2010 (BST) |
| Type: New Item |
| Scope: Survivors |
| Description: Similar to beer or wine, except that this consumable item, found mainly in mall drug stores or police and fire stations will give an AP increase, while your health decrease slightly every time you take a pill. Each box of caffine pills can have 5 to 10 pills, and each pill, which takes no AP to digest, will increase one AP and decrease one health. Drug stores would have these for sale, while EMS personnel at fire stations and police officers on night shift would have them in their lockers. |
Discussion (Caffine Pills)
My death-cultist would gladly pack some. Health degradation not just for free, but for extra AP? Amazing parachutes could be done by that... --Spiderzed 23:40, 17 April 2010 (BST)
- My thoughts exactly. A pack of 5 or 10 of these, as you say, plus an infection, halves the amount of AP expended dying in a parachute. I like it but it's powerful. Gain 1 AP, lose 5 HP, doses found individually (flavour it as taking several pills at once, rather than finding individual pills), then they'd probably balance out more. I'd vote for them in a watered-down form, as I'd find great use for them. 23:44, 17 April 2010 (BST)
Could allow for massive AP usage in a single burst. Overpowered. - User:Whitehouse 23:41, 17 April 2010 (BST)
Upon use: Gain 5AP, doesn't take any to eat. The next five AP using actions: Nothing unusual. The next five AP using actions: Costs double the normal AP. It all stacks, so if you eat four pills, you get 20AP, make 20 Normal moves, and then have the hangover last for 20 moves. But of corse, it would never work, like anything that afects AP. --VVV RPMBG 00:23, 18 April 2010 (BST)
If this was implemented, I would stock up my inventory half full with these, and half full with bottles of wine. Then, for the next month, I'd play non-stop, Using the extra AP from this healing the 1HP cost.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 00:28, 18 April 2010 (BST)
- 00:34, 18 April 2010 (BST)
- You might want to image ark that somewhere. :/ --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 00:36, 18 April 2010 (BST)
- Done. Ain't nobody deleting mah Belushi. 00:49, 18 April 2010 (BST)
- Done. Ain't nobody deleting mah Belushi.
- You might want to image ark that somewhere. :/ --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 00:36, 18 April 2010 (BST)
Dupe --Explodey 00:35, 22 April 2010 (BST)
No. This suggestion adds up to an increased ability to store AP for later use, but only for those who play at least part of their time as a survivor. More AP for survivors, less for dedicated zombies -- boxy talk • teh rulz 09:33 22 April 2010 (BST)
Ridiculously overpowered. Consume 5, use a FAK, and you still have 4 AP left to use. Also tilts things too much in favor of survivors. Q. JuliusTBH 21:29, 22 April 2010 (BST)
Serum Scentsativity
| Timestamp: Swiers 16:28, 17 April 2010 (BST)
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| Type: zombie skill |
| Scope: zombies |
| Description: A scent-tree skill directly under Scent Fear that allows zombies to pick up the scent of Necrotech facilities, allowing them to see them on the map as if they had NecroTech Employment. Skill would allow zombies that buy Brain Rot early in their career to be fully equal to level 43 zombies. Would be a trans-mortal skill (mainly to make coding easier, as it could use the same code as NecroTech Employment); if revived, the character could still identify NecroTech buildings, but would NOT be able to revive zombies or use a DNA scanner. |
Discussion (Serum Scentsativity)
I was considering making this a sub-skill to Brain Rot, since its mostly for use by rotters, but Scent makes more sense, and there's no reason to NOT put it there, that I can see. Swiers 16:29, 17 April 2010 (BST)
- There was something similar mentioned here maybe two weeks ago. I had suggested that it label NTs on the map and replace NecroTech Employment's flavour text with something scent-based, such as "You are standing outside the Muller Building. A harsh chemical smell hangs in the air." I'd be all over it being added. 16:34, 17 April 2010 (BST)
I think this is a dupe of something Iscariot suggested a while back, but under a different tree.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 16:39, 17 April 2010 (BST)
- Here's the link.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 00:18, 18 April 2010 (BST)
My time machine works, it's 2009 all over again. Time to place bets on Brawn and Button! -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 18:20, 17 April 2010 (BST)
I like this idea, maybe the zombies have evolved to be able to smell that "funny smell" coming from the NT buildings and thus it would be either shown on the death map, or it would be worded in the description box. --Dirty 23:55, 17 April 2010 (BST)
I'd support it, navigation ability should be equal for both sides. - User:Whitehouse 00:12, 18 April 2010 (BST)
- It should, but it does look like an exact dupe of Suggestion:20090201_Scent_Enemy. Anyhow, its such a minor tweak (very few zombies don't get the chance to buy NTE) that it's probably not worth voting on again.
Swiers 03:01, 18 April 2010 (BST)
I like it. Zombies would definitely be able to sniff out NT buildings after spending so long in the city. Q. JuliusTBH 21:29, 22 April 2010 (BST)
FAK'S as Weapon's
| Timestamp: User:Scvideoking 22:42, 15 April 2010 (BST) | ||||||||||||||||
| Type: skill | ||||||||||||||||
| Scope: Survivors. | ||||||||||||||||
| Description:This would be a skill that allows you to actually use a FAK as a weapon
I know this sounds crazy but hear me out.A FAK is common so this would basicly give 2 damage with a 10% chance of hit And other skills like melee proficency will also help attack percentage by the same amount they do general wepons. This would not cause DSR and pretty resonable and after about 15 succeful hits the kit would break. The KIT not anything inside it What do you think?--scvideoking Discussion (FAKs as Weapons)What I think is that you are not Swiers.
A down-powered dupe of knife, which (if found in an Infirmary) can be described as "a large scalpel". 01:03, 16 April 2010 (BST)
Yeah sure, you can have FAKs as weapons. Provided of course that my death cultist gets to use empty syringes as weapons, air in the blood stream and the survivor in question drops dead of a brain embolism some time in the next 50AP. Obviously these can't be fixed with FAKs and it doesn't work on zombies. Sound fair to you? --
this is intresting, maybe if your infected and you use a fak on another survior it infects them? that could possibly be game breaking though.--Dirty 21:54, 16 April 2010 (BST)
In L4D, you can kill infected with a medkit. That is because you have to "hold" items and if attacked you can swing it as a weapon. That doesn't work in Urban Dead because you don't "hold" items. And, even if you DID, I don't see a medikit doing more damage than a newspaper. And 15 hits is too much.--Pesatyel 17:38, 18 April 2010 (BST) Metal box + Head = bad day-- Sure, as long as you break all the containers inside the FAK on the first swing and the next time you try to use that FAK you stab yourself on a broken bottle of xylaject (Large wildlife Tranq) and go limp and drooling for the next 6 hours. -Devorac 15:57, 21 April 2010 (BST) Scouting skill
Discussion (Scouting Skill)Yes, if this went to voting, I'd work up some sort of visual representation of the "view" effect. I like it, but i would use the phone masts for scouting rather than any tall building, also I would kill the percents or make them like 75%-125% closely centered at 100%--V darkstar 16:10, 15 April 2010 (BST)
Cannibalism
Discussion (Cannibalism)IMHO pretty tasteless (and tasteless beyond the usual scope of the genre), and also of most use to PKers, as they rarely carry many supportive/healing items and could partially circumvent this deficite with this skill. Also, you haven't made clear yet if this heals infections. (Not every healing item does - see beer and wine.) --Spiderzed 09:32, 15 April 2010 (BST)
Re-theme it as either looting (regardless of what the victim was carrying, have a first aid kit be found and used), or as an adrenaline rush (in which case I'd reduce it to 2-3HP and have it apply to all kills made, regardless of who is or isn't alive). Then I'd be all over it like DDR on Vegemite.
Make it a skill which allows survivors with digestion to use a less effective version on corpses. 1AP eating restores 2HP but has a 5% (or even 10%) chance of infecting the canibal per day the corpse has been there. It's not really overpowered and Death cultists etc are an accepted part of the game. One thing tho, you should automatically get covered in gore while doing this --Honestmistake 14:28, 16 April 2010 (BST)
Food
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