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OLD CRAP!

Note to LCD Members

I have returned to lead the LCD again.I would like to be filled with the current situation and to know the reason why you see us as enemies.Best regards and Merry Christmas to all. --DarthRevan 22:03, 28 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Please keep discussion on the Discussion page and off the main CDF page. Thanks, just keeps things seperate and all. -- Amazing 07:04, 14 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Sure, sorry about that, Cortonna put that up before he went on Christmas vacation. Feel free to delete it.

Some Stuff

Don't you think you might want to change your acronym, considering the wide use of CDF recently? And please make the recent change a little more impartial.--SA-TA-EK-Rumisiel 21:13, 26 Oct 2005 (BST)

To be fair, it looks like they had it first... Shadowstar 02:54, 28 Oct 2005 (BST)

...If that's a group member writing that (never know, it might be some random person), you probably don't want to start that with the thing about the spy... just a word of advice from the other CDF... Shadowstar 17:52, 31 Oct 2005 (GMT) ... Oh, and don't deface the wiki. Didn't notice it was the same person before. Shadowstar 17:53, 31 Oct 2005 (GMT)

Uh...other? I'm sorry, I didn't know there WAS another...

...Oh...duh...the Creedy group. Yeah, well, I'll make it so that the spy is clearly labeled as a member of the Zombie Jesus crap-squad.

So...we are meeting later in the church...OK, MM will try to be there.

Disambiguation Page added - Just to help you guys out a little. --Daxx 14:19, 10 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Oh, rock on Daxx. Just.. Rock on. It's a thing of beauty. *wipes away a tear* -- Amazing 19:14, 10 Dec 2005 (GMT)

More Stuff

Question: Have you turned into the Inquisition then? You should maybe put in a request for deletion if so... If the Inquisition is a different group of people, then you should probably keep a little bit of the CDF's history here, then say that the leadership moved on to being the Inquisition or something like that...

The Inquisition thing was unexpected and not known of by many of the Crossmen. A link to it would be fine if it's related, but we didn't expect our page to be totally defaced. -- Amazing 20:07, 9 Nov 2005 (GMT)

Oh, sorry, if I'd known it was defacement, I'd have reverted for you before. Shadowstar 20:09, 9 Nov 2005 (GMT)

No problem at all. I was lax in checking on the page. heh.. It's gone through quite a few unauthorized removals.. lol -- Amazing 02:19, 10 Nov 2005 (GMT)

Other Stuff

From LCD: We are in serious need of help.Our HQ was attacked from the Minions of the Apocalypse.Most of our people in that region are dead or dying.If you can dispatch doctors expirienced in revivication it would be really appreciated.We have sended message to our people to gather in St Barnabas's Church in Lamport Hills.If you can send some people there to revive it would be really appreciated.Our leader is somewhere in that region,she will explain the situation and how we can help each other.Thanks in advance.

Jeez...The Gatecombeton group will send relief if we can. Muh will continue to act as an emissary?

LCD:Muh is already there trying to help.But we are currently sending another member to your place to fill you with the situation(if he make it)We are currently trying to solve the mess there.Zombies are putting much of a fight.Our doctors are under heavy attack and we dont have enough soldiers to support them.Situation is critical.We dont know who is our member who is not except on the Barnabas Church.We cant contact with all of our people.Thanks very much for the help.I sencerely hope we survive the comming night.I faithfully hope that it will not come to this but if help is not sended soon we probably are gonna leave our bones there.Heavy casulties.I am not sure but from tommorow I think every man/woman will be on his/her own. Best regards. LCD Leader Cortonna.

CDF : Bring everyone you can to Scobell Crescent in SW Gatecombeton, wehave set up a revive point and medic point there. Regards back at ya, CDF Soldier MaulMachine's return.

listen guyz it maybe better to jst retake crossman. i mean the zeds arn't there any more right?

LCD: We will try.I certainly hope that we gonna make it ...alive.I am gonna say it to everyone...the problem is that I dont want to leave any of my men out there in that condition.Damn I should have seen this comming...The survivors gonna come in the Lamport Walk Dept and all the zombies gonna come in Scobell Crescent for revival.As for taking Crossman I will come tommorow to the Lamport Dept with the few survivors I have and speak with you soldier.I have to speak with you Maul particurarly about something important. LCD Leader Cortonna.

LCD: Becareful of spies! If you encounter those people called Mozzila,Zebulon or Mules kill on sight.Here is our link http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Liberation_of_Crossman_Department LCD Soldier Lt. Johnny Rico.

MaulMachine's return : Got it, Cortonna, I'll be waiting. (Deleted for provocational attitude)

MaulMachine's return said "Well, kiddies, I hope you have all had time to consider your options. We are coming here, to retake out base, whether you like it or not. Unbarrricade the doors immediately, or you will all be executed." (11-14 17:28 GMT)

That doesn't exactly make you sound any better than the undead. -- Amazing 18:10, 14 Nov 2005 (GMT)

We tried to make contact with the people in Crossman and sended one emissary and what we got back as a result was one dead body.I mean if CDF cant accomplish it's functions it's already showing signs of weakness.And weakness means death.And if we continue to be attacked by members of the CDF will send our forces to terminate everyone on sight in Crossman.I am sorry but you dont give us other option.LCD wants a peaceful resolution I mean hell we created that group to help CDF but if CDF wants to attack us hell I am not gonna stay on my hands and do nothing while people die especially my people.

LCD Leader Cortonna

If there was a PKer hiding in the PD that doesn't give you a reason to execute innocent survivors, much less members of the CDF. This sounds more like you're a PKer looking for an excuse. Any acts of violence will be returned in kind. If you want to turn Crossman PD from a safehouse to a war zone, so be it - but it's a very bad decision. How about you start by telling who killed this person? Being so quick to action against your allies will certainly result in only destruction. -- Amazing 18:41, 15 Nov 2005 (GMT)

First I didnt said that we are attacking.We didnt killed anyone did we?I just said that if CDF continue to attack us we gonna response.We dont know the name of the PKer since our emmissary is a zombie.Once we revive him we gonna know who he is.Second I think that the majority in Crossman Dept are random and they are not part of the CDF.And third we all want peaceful resolution as I said the main purpose of the LCD is to help CDF.That's all for now.I dont know if you are in Crossman but if you are tell to all the people who are part of CDF to put their names in our page,it is written where so we will now if the person is from the CDF or no. LCD Leader Cortonna.

I've read the LCD discussion page. It is said that CDF members must join LCD, leave Crossman PD, or die. That is a threat of violence. You are in no position to force anyone to join your group. This is smelling more and more like a power grab in which you are trying to bring everyone under you as opposed to being the loose grouping that the CDF currently is. Your emmissary could tell you who it was via the Wiki or an instant message or e-mail, so I am further questioning what exactly is going on here. The Crossman PD will not be taken by anyone without a fight. We can co-exist, but if anyone (LCD or otherwise) takes one swing against anyone within the PD they will be a PKer like any other and dealt with accordingly. I urge you to think about game mechanics as well as the number of survivors in the PD versus the number in your ranks. A brawl could rage on with no end, so really it is mechanically impossible to take the PD from the CDF for anything more than a few moments. Revification and free running are all that's needed to come back in and start firing at anyone on your member list. This is just a friendly reminder that "Taking" the PD and killing anyone who doesn't join the LCD is a plan that cannot work. The Crossman Defence Force becoming absored by the Liberation of Crossman Department is just an odd thought. How can the original be absorbed by a new group that was formed to liberate it from the CotR? -- Amazing

First off, Amazing, calm the fuck down. We DIDN'T attack, we DIDN'T PK, and if your people ARE killing our emmisaries, then perhaps you ought to keep them on a tighter leash. I see no need to fight us...hell, most of us are old Crossman guys ourselves. But if there is a PKer in your midst, and he continues to kill our men, even if we come in peace...it won't go over well for you. Now, perhaps I made myself unclear. I have no problem with people in the department who don't belong to the CDF or the LCD...but those who ACTIVELY OPPOSE US will be killed. If, when we return, no violence breaks out, and if most of the people there just idle, like we always used to do in the old days, then there will be no need for anything to happen.

Now, you have to understand that the LCD was formed with the intentions of freeing Corssman Grove from the Church of the Ressurection. Since you did that for us, I think many of us wanted to work off their war mentality. Hey, that's fine...we lost our home. BUT! Since our initial probes revealed hostility among your men towards us, in the form of killing an emmisary and barricading the doors when I made my announcement...well. Imagine my disappointment. Now, if we tell you who the PKer is...will you do the honors of executing him for us?

MaulMachine's return

PS, cortonna, which emmisary was the one that didn't make it back?

Maul: I'm calm, don't worry. What I've said here is basically a "Please don't start anything until we talk things over" responce. In quoting LCD's wiki page, the options are join, leave or die. It's all there in black and white. Is the information on that page incorrect? It seemed straightforward to me, which is why I assumed it to be the LCD's stance. Join, Leave, or be Executed.

If we sent an emissary to LCD's HQ and he was killed by a PKer who wandered in or was hanging around -- What would you think if we blamed you? I think what might have happened is that by announcing something to the people in the Crossman PD, said emissary was basically exposing themself as someone important to a Survivor group. That's a pretty irresistable target for someone who PKs or is a Zombie spy..

The Barricading: This is honestly because, after the CotR attack, a lot of us need to reload and regroup -- and we don't want the brain suckers popping in for a visit. The PD has been heavily (or thereabouts) barricaded since the CotR left. It's not anything against you guys at all, and we had no idea it would be considered as such.

I think most of this is a misunderstanding and bad communication. From your message to the PD it seemed like an ultimatum. That's just how it came off no matter how it was intended. "Join or Die" type of thing. :\ Also it seems that in the ranks of LCD there is some disagreement or at least varying opinion. I've seen that you are being level-headed about this, but I've also seen other notations on the Wiki page about coming to kill us all if we don't join or leave the PD. As I say if that were directed at you from another group - wouldn't you think their intentions were bad?

The CDF doesn't want to battle LCD at all - Especially because of the connection in its ranks - But we also don't want to be forced into becoming a part of the group that was assembled to SAVE the original group. It's like the Cavalry coming in and enlisting the soldiers in peril into the Cavalry itself. So we don't want any kind of skermish, but there are more than a few who probably won't wish to be absorbed by another entity. A peaceful co-existence is preferred, but coming in with guns blazing is not an advisable course to take.

So in closing (heh.. this became a novel, didn't it?) the barricading is to keep out the dead while we come back from the CotR attacks. Whoever was killed was not murdered with the approval of the CDF. And yes, if you let us know who did the killing, who was killed, and when it happened, we'll make sure whoever it was is questioned and tossed out.

Amazing 05:12, 16 Nov 2005 (GMT)

Fine. I edited the pages. There will be no war.

Apparently we both misunderstood each other.You see we gather everyone to retake Crossman I send a scout and he says there are people there not zombies.I was so happy and then Maul went and said that we gonna come to unite and become strong and people in Crossman starts to barricade to heavy.Our emissary was killed and so imagine our reaction.We thought that people there are no CDF but just people who are looking for shelter.So we thought we just gonna retake but you post here that we gonna attack you.So we got really confused...We never said we wanted to consume CDF.We are not PKers and we help our brothers.And at the moment I am Crossman alone.We want to help.And we lay down the accusations about killing our emmisary.The person who did it was dealt with and he dont have connections to CDF and it wont trouble us anymore.I hope we will have finally peace and I am filled with joy the liberation is already done.If only I could have been there.How did you guys retaked Crossman did you battled the Church for it?

LCD Leader Cortonna.

PS.Amazing you are the only trusted person I know from the current CDF and I need to speak with you,not here.Send me a mail and I will explain you.It is very important.

The members of the Liberation of Crossman Department group that wish to move on would like to rejoin the CDF. Is that OK with you all? MaulMachine 09:25, 18 Nov 2005 (EST)

I'm sure there will be no problem with that at all. -- Amazing 23:13, 18 Nov 2005 (GMT)

Cool. Tell your boys that the LCD will be holding a meeting in Goodman Hotel in Darvall Heights soon, if you wish to send support. Cortonna, I think that some people might like to just go back to Crossman and exist, instead of taking the offensive. Is that OK?

MaulMachine

The battle for Yagoton is over.We won.Now we are returning to Darvall Heights and if you need anything just say it. --DarthRevan 20:34, 24 Nov 2005 (GMT)

ALL LCD TROOPS, whether you are sitting on your ass or actively fighting, report to Goodson Motel in Darvall Heights SOON. --MaulMachine 23:24, 24 Nov 2005 (EST)

Important

We heard from other members that you think that we are about to betray you and take Crossman for us after OMEN has finished with you.In light of this I will say it again.LCD are not enemies,and we are gonna do our best not to see our home fall in to the zombie hands.We are not gonna betray our brothers and we are fully commited to protect and help you against the threat in whatever way we can! That is all I wanted to say and that is why I pulled away all my soldiers to return to fight and protect.

LCD Leader Cortonna --DarthRevan 19:31, 25 Nov 2005 (GMT)

Wow, I hadn't even heard that. Yeah, probably some left over paranoia given the previous misunderstanding. -- Amazing 19:48, 25 Nov 2005 (GMT)

Field Commander MaulMachine has been dispatched to Crossman to execute the OMEN and Minions of Apocalypse spies residing within Crossman...but the Crossmen are slow to rouse, and have refused to help.

just saying thanks!

hi, I'm a member or the CMS and I'd just like to say thanks for all the help you guys have been putting out for us, I had no idea til very recently that nurten ave was your revive point! every time I die in the seige I go there and within a day I'm up and kickin again, thanks CDF, you've really helped us out. ---- Rowan Issac 3:07 GMT Nov '05

400 ZOMBIES???

We heard rumors from certain number of people that great mob is coming our way.In light of this I invite everyone from CDF to come to a tactical meeting in Goodson Motel so we can set up our defences.We have called people from Gatcombeton,Quarlesbank,Shuttlebank and Eastonwood.I dont know who's gonna come but we are doing our best. --DarthRevan 19:34, 27 Nov 2005 (GMT)

NEMO/OMEN Spies

Hello all! You guys are a bunch of paranoid twits! You killed several NEMOs just for staying in your safe house. You claimed they were spys because some master slueth read our wikki. Our wikki clearly states that our zombies are our defenders. Anyway, as some of you have found you have become a "low priority issue". Be advised that those of you who killed the NEMOs in question will now be tormented by our human bounty hunters for PKing. And please have the decency to list yourselves as a PKing group because that is how you run your safe house. Thanks for your time and to those I have already visited thank you for the good times.--Deadgonzoman 04:40, 28 Nov 2005 (GMT)

PS. No Human NEMO tore down a barricade for a zombie. That is contrived and paranoidism on your part. If its a war with the NEMO collective you want keep running you mouths:) Wars are fun!--Deadgonzoman 04:42, 28 Nov 2005 (GMT)

Say whatever you want, zombie spy, the facts and the black and white text of the Wiki don't support your rhetoric. It's really pointless to tell falsehoods and claim innocence when you have made your own Wiki pages that counter it. -- Amazing 06:02, 28 Nov 2005 (GMT)

Furthermore, you're just sore that you were found out and your plots spoiled before you could do any major damage. Next time hide yourselves better and maybe you won't be caught with your hand in the cookie jar. -- Amazing 06:04, 28 Nov 2005 (GMT)

Yeah, if you guys are so benign, why did you PK one of our troops? There is a difference between converting and slaughtering. --MaulMachine 06:33, 27 Nov 2005 (EST)

Holy shit, I'm sorry. I reread your website and wiki. I COMPLETELY misunderstood your intent. I thought you were PKers...but your a gamefangroup. My bad...Amazing, hold your troops, this is a misunderstanding. --MaulMachine 13:14, 28 Nov 2005 (EST)

OMEN -- Amazing 02:37, 29 Nov 2005 (GMT)

So? Better to simply let them through and evacuate than to provoke a war we can't win. Especially if we get dragged down too. If you need a place to crash while they devour the weak, you are free to come to our safehouse. --MaulMachine 12:56, 29 Nov 2005 (EST) PS Scratch that, keep your idiocy away from us.

You're a wonderful representative of LCD.. which is to say you're a piss poor one who is laughable and juvanile. Keep it RELATIVELY respectful or no one will listen to you guys. -- Amazing 02:23, 30 Nov 2005 (GMT)

1sr off. OMEN are NEMOs who chose to play as zombies. NEMO are NEMOs who chose to play as humans. NEMO consists of a group of players that play different games together. We are a very large group. The humans that help OMEN are recruited by Omen within the game or are OMEN zombies that were stupidly revived by someone too stupid to do a DNA scan first.

Secondly, Amazing. You are a moron. Keep up the good fight. Your placing NEMO and OMEN on a kill on sight list is making my position with the NEMO council stronger. After speaking with you a bit I would much rather NEMO and OMEN abandone all thier individual plans and utterly destroy you. The council traditionaly has been in favor of keeping both groups separate, so instead of a few reprisal attacks for PKing NEMO members without cause you might end up dealing with the NEMO collective. Have you wondered why the zombies never attacked? I can assure you that it wasnt your inability to stop your members from getting killed that scared them into not attacking. There was never a plan to attack. And NEMO never aided them in any "planning".

Thirdly. You still havnt listed yourselves as PKing group. You should do so. Because thats what you are. NEMO listed itself as a PKing group because if one of our members are killed we kill the pkers, as you well know by now. --Deadgonzoman 21:45, 29 Nov 2005 (GMT)

Gonzo. You're associated with a zombie group. Zombies and Survivors are enemies. Blank out the ranting and listen to this solid reasoning: Survivor groups don't trust Zombie groups, and don't trust survivor groups who are also members of a zombie group. No, I don't want a war, but you cannot blur the fact that you're associated with enemies of the human groups. If you want to discuss this further go right ahead - but instead I ask you what you would think if members of a group aligned with your enemies suddenly appeared en masse in the HOME BASE of NEMO or OMEN and were clearly aligned with the other side. -- Amazing 02:19, 30 Nov 2005 (GMT)

Oh sure, Gonzo, completely ignore the ones who want peace and only listen to the warmonger. Amazing, damnit, SHUT UP. THEY HAVE US OUTNUMBERED ALMOST THREE TO ONE. Provoke them if you want, but don't you come crying to LCD when they infect and zombify you. Grab a brain, man, before they munch yours! THEY WILL SLAUGHTER US IF YOU KEEP OPENING YOUR PIEHOLE

MaulMachine.. really.. Stop screaming. Stop crying. Stop hyperventilating. -- Amazing 07:02, 14 Dec 2005 (GMT)

LCD Leadership

Just wanted you to know that I will be away for a month or less and Maul Machine's Return will become the temporary leader.Contact him if you need anything. --DarthRevan 14:44, 11 Dec 2005 (GMT) . --MaulMachine 20:29, 29 Nov 2005 (EST)

Warmonger? Hilarious. This from a member of the group that wanted to kill off CDF members for barricading too heavily. If you want to dissolve the mutual respect, go right ahead, but it's not a very smart thing to do. Stop being an alarmist and adding crazy paniced interference to the discussion. If being outnumbered decides what you do or don't do - join the CotR, don't shrink back out of fear and verbally betray other survivors to the enemy. You are a member of LCD, not CDF, so you no longer speak for anyone else in the group. If you want to discuss this with NEMO/OMEN, do so on your own discussion page, don't try to control the discussion of entities you are no longer a part of. -- Amazing 02:19, 30 Nov 2005 (GMT)

I can't beleive the LCD is so seemingly defeatist when a threat exists. Is it planning a retreat to Gatecombton or Yagoton when fighting breaks out? Spies exist and that's that. It's better to be cautious than to take a knife in the back while you sleep. Caving in to the pressure only makes the enemy stronger and sends a bad message. The Craiger Mall Survivors don't seem to be defeatist no matter the odds. The CDF and LCD should take the same stance and work together instead of squabbling. Show a united front to the PKers and Zed groups. Let the politics and egos go. -- Zod Rhombus

Defeatist nothing. I'm just saying you guys are going to destroy our mutual home, and you're giving my old group a bad name to boot. The CDF I remember wouldn't deliberately start battles. Now, you are right in that we should present a united front. That means don't start PKing unless you have proof of guilt of SOMETHING. From what I hear, you are the only person in the PD who got attacked. Don't go dragging the entire CDF and LCD into this. Now, if you truly are concerned with the state of things, then perhaps, instead of PKing a NEMO, you should have talked over your options with Cortonna and Exo2000...seeing as they are the ones who run the groups involved here. Now, true, I specifically and the LCD in general have been reluctant to do this. If, however, you had actually READ our own wiki before starting all this,you would have known the reason why. But no, you start with the name-calling. Genius. Now...if it comes to war, even if it could have been prevented, LCD is there. But provoking a battle with someone who, for all you know, was just passing through is beyond stupid. Crossman is not yours to control. Nor is it mine. Perhaps Cortonna is right, and we should meld the old groups together again. But if you continue to provoke NEMO, and they come and attack Crossman...well, like I said, we will be there. But it will be hard, I think, to convince your people to stay and fight. Especially with the lethargy in Crossman these days. Come to think of it...have you guys actually done anything but idle and PK lately? Just asking.--MaulMachine 12:26, 30 Nov 2005 (EST)

Look back at who started calling who names. You're a hot-head and totally misinformed. More than one person was PKed at Crossman Grove by the NEMO folks. Take a step back, take a breath, and look at this again when you're less paranoid and aggrivated. You're just coming across as an insulting alarmist who is starting an in-fight. Take your sights off me and the CDF and plant them on some real targets. Stop wasting my time with your inane juvanile commentary.

This is the end of this discussion and I strongly suggest you let it lie. -- Amazing 05:43, 30 Nov 2005 (GMT)

Funny stuff Amazing. You are quite right that more than one of your members was killed by a NEMO. I personaly killed two myself. We targeted only players that Pked NEMOs. Like I said, you are a group of Pkers. Its really quite simple. --Deadgonzoman 09:47, 30 Nov 2005 (GMT)

I don't think it's in anyone's best interest to have escalating tensions between our 3 groups. I see valid points from all sides, where perceptions differ from group to group. I don't see the CDF as a PK group, more of a sense of protecting our own and PKing is not one of our objectives. If there has been miscommunication between us and NEMO regarding the PK incidents, it is unfortunate. I think with the suspicions and mistrust between the CDF and NEMO, it might be best to avoid each other for a while. To see a NEMO member on the street, I have no reason to attack unless provoked, but in the PD, the well-known problems make NEMO activity there suspicious. I think it is best avoided. I don't see the LCD having a reason to be involved at all, although we appreciate their support as brothers in Darvall Heights. I hope we can resolve this issue, since if Caiger Mall falls, the situation in Darvall will change greatly, with the largest zombie base in Malton at our back door. If we could think more of a Darvall Defense Force, rather than the splinter groups, we survivors would all be better off. -- Zod Rhombus

Rhombus is a genius. That is a BRILLIANT idea. PM me with details, I'll talk it over with the big bosses.

--MaulMachine 12:45, 29 Nov 2005 (EST)

Sorry, MaulMachine, I was talking more in theory-the theory of us all working as one. A DDF IS needed, yet I think the political climate is a little too chilly to consider it. However, any dialogue our leaders have together could be useful, but for the forseeable future, I don't see this as a working plan. Our main focus right now should be Caiger, not realignment. -- Zod Rhombus

I am currently fighting at the Caiger Mall. I've been here 2 days. Things are looking up as some of the zombies have left. The problem is that they are dispersing all over Darvall. Be alert around your respective HQ's. There are only about 470 zombies left at the mall. -- Zod Rhombus

I would listen to MaulMachine as he has the group's best interst at heart. We only use zombies outside of the normal combat methods because the GAME ALLOWS it. Until the game is fixed so that zombies and humans cannot work together, i see no reason for us not to use our zombies players as a combat trick. Certainly we are not going to Force NEMO players who choose to play as zombies to fight against the Mother group. Grouping the Surviors under the main tag and the Zombies under the subtag is an easy way for our group and our allies to distiguish and organize our players. Don't underestimate us just becaues we don't play by your conventions. Until Kevan "fixes" the game, i see no reason to stop the coalition. --Vellin 00:05, 10 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Caiger Mall

a CM survivor here, just wanted to thank your troops near Caiger Mall and remind you if any of your troops needs a revive. St. Isadores is our designated revive spot. --Flaunted 17:05, 28 Nov 2005 (GMT)

Things

Urgent:

TERMINATE NEMO/OMEN MEMBERS IN THE PD - NOW - I AM TIRED OF BEING THE ONLY ONE WHO IS DOING THIS AS THEY PK AND BREAK THE BARRICADES DOWN FOR THEIR ZOMBIE FRIENDS. IS ANYONE ELSE GOING TO SHOOT THESE PEOPLE? Do not let them take the base, for crap's sake why isn't anyone else terminating them.. -- Amazing 03:39, 26 Nov 2005 (GMT)

ATTENTION: Terminate zombie spies in the PD with NEMO as their group affiliation. One of their ranks has apparently started the attack and attempted PKing. Thank heavens for FAKs. -- Amazing 04:51, 25 Nov 2005 (GMT)

Since there are so many OMEN spies in the Crossman Grove PD right now, we're going to need to coordinate if we're going to kill and dump them without incident. Shall we set a time to hold this expunging operation? -- Amazing 02:04, 25 Nov 2005 (GMT)

Got PKed by one of them. Took him out and another. Thanks for the quick action, CDF. lol! ;) -- Amazing 18:24, 25 Nov 2005 (GMT)

Stop guys...NEMO is a game fangroup who only want to recruit, if we kill them, they will chain-rape us all. Naturally, if they attack us or the barricades, we get to PK them, but until they do it, they are to be considered neutral. Capicci?

NEMO members are OMEN members. Both groups are negtaively aligned. *shrug* -- Amazing 02:35, 29 Nov 2005 (GMT)

wth is a game fangroup? Btw, OMEN is the subset on NEMO, not the other way around. --Vellin 05:29, 10 Dec 2005 (GMT)

LCD will stand with CDF and will help CDF if there is a battle.But LCD doesnt have anything against NEMO anything against humans.We want peaceful resolution on the problem.I dont want a new conflict to arise.We have enough problems with zombies,a war between humans will bring doom to us all.Please enough PK-illing...

LCD Leader --DarthRevan 16:48, 30 Nov 2005 (GMT)

Ridleybank

LCD is requesting reinforcements. We are fighting the zombie horde RRF at their heart, Ridleybank. And we are pushing them back. There are around 5 groups in addition to ours. It would be really appreciated if you send someone. We would be honored if you join us in the hunt. RRF are joking with us, that we are their lunch. If we prove that they can't retake their own suburb we will gain considerable prestige. If you want to join send as many soldiers,medics, etc. to Blomfield Grove Police Dept in Ridleybank. LCD Leader --DarthRevan 19:43, 5 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Confirmed, the NMD, the CoL (both of them), the Imperium, and a handful of other groups are present. This is the new Caiger, people...We march into history. --MaulMachine 20:37, 05 Dec 2005 (EST)

Omen/Nemo PKing again

babymonkeyjesus, leader of OMEN and probably NEMO (can't be arsed to check their actual leadership atm) just PKed at least two players without provocation in Crossman Grove PD while they were offline. Terminate on sight. -- Amazing 17:53, 9 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Why don't you go to our diplomacy threads in our forums http://galacticnemos.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewforum&f=149

register for an account, then make a public request for a UD embassy then you can discuss in our forums. Rather than squabble around on the discussion board, lets be productive. --Vellin 05:44, 10 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Amazing, you're an embarrasment. I post links to their forums, YOU post links to their wiki...and you still refuse to do the most basic of research. We're off fighting and dying in Ridleybank, and you sit there and grump around, getting the entire PD in trouble. You are a disgrace to Crossman. --MaulMachine 09:03, 10 Dec 2005 (EST)

Please try to act mature. While you are content to uproot and leave Darvall to the zeds in the persuit of Ridleybank liberation, SOME of us would like to keep Darvall and Crossman Grove under human control. You are an embarassment to humanity - Stop vying for position and posturing long enough to keep your mind on your own business. This isn't a schoolyard brawl, so stop acting like a little kid running in an calling names. Again, please learn to act mature and mind your business. This is a matter between the CDF and NEMO. CDF.. you know.. the Crossmen who Don't Flee - as you did during the CotR invasion and are doing now in persuit of Ridleybank. As long as you aren't the one being PKed without warning, I guess you're content to sit on the sidelines and UNDERMINE others. Mind - your - own - business. Let CDF and NEMO work this out without your inane childish interference. -- Amazing 19:50, 10 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Agreed. Maul Machine, you are nothing but a meddler. I have seen the PKing first hand. I helped dispatch fighters to help YOU guys in Ridleybank and this is the thanks we get? I shouted a call at the PD to help LCD and I know of three fighters there personally. This is a CDF matter. Be content with your own group. Your sympathy for NEMO raises serious questions regarding your personal convictions and maybe is something we need to address with your leaders. Please, stick to your own group and don't undermine the progress we have made with the LCD and other groups in the area. We never have this negative kind of dialogue with Cortonna, your boss.If you have a personal problem with Amazing, take it elsewhere, so that we may provide a positive united front against the zombies.--Zod Rhombus 03:49, 11 Dec 2005 (GMT)

'Disgrace to humanity?' Dude, it's a fucking videogame. Calm down.

I said "Embarassment to humanity" - In-game Humanity, which is at odds with all Zombie groups. -- Amazing 05:36, 11 Dec 2005 (GMT)

ATTENTION CDF Personnel: MaulMachine's return is the leader of the Liberation of Crossman Dept. He issued orders to PK a member of our group, a noob. He has gone out of his way to get two members of CDF banned over a small prank. He is pandering to groups that PK us. He is now considered 'hostile'. All members should avoid contact with the LCD until the situation is more stable. I'm sorry to say we have to treat a survivor group this way, but we must look out for our own. Keep frosty, people.--Zod Rhombus 01:47, 15 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Whoa whoa, what the hell are you on about? Who did I ban? I lifted the PK on Game Moderator! I'm not pandering to anybody! Explain this! --MaulMachine 09:06, 14 Dec 2005 (EST)

This is moot since you've admitted it and my discussion with the administration has confirmed it. Also - very kind of you to lift your own PK order on an innocent civilian based on lies. What a hero. -- Amazing 03:43, 15 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Still waiting for you to explain this comment. Name these two members. Also, how was Game Moderator innocent? I just want to hear it. No more cryptic statements. No more assuming I know what you are talking about. Just answer my questions. I'm not asking much. --MaulMachine 23:46, 14 Dec 2005 (EST)

First of all you're in no position to ask anything. Secondly Game Moderator was innocent of all charges you alledged. You lied that he was a PKer and you lied that he was a Sabetour and you lied that he 'tried to get you banned'. If you'd had your way and killed him, you would be the PKing Sabetour. As it stands, you're the one who tried to get someone banned. -- Amazing 04:22, 15 Dec 2005 (GMT)

He came into Goodson and said we would all be banned. Hardly innocent. The other words were, I admit, a bit of an exxageration. If I have offended someone, I do apologize. It was uncalled for on both sides. --MaulMachine 23:37, 14 Dec 2005 (EST)

I guess I just don't think pranking people with a fake message is worth lying to trick your subordinates into comitting murder. -- Amazing 05:31, 15 Dec 2005 (GMT)

"Trick?" They were there too. Besides Death is never permanent in this game. --MaulMachine 6:27, 15 Dec 2005 (EST)

That's the kind of thinking we don't subscribe to in this game. We do not want the LCD as an ally if that is its policy. Itis obvious that diplomacy has failed with your leadership in the LCD. I will send a request with the CDF Tribunal that you be banned from our wiki page. Your rants are making both our groups look bad.--Zod Rhombus 20:18, 15 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Fine. You want it like this? You got it. I'm calling it quits for now. No more CDF Wiki and forums for me. You could have just respectfully asked instead of giving me this tribunal bullshit.

We just prefer to have our leadership balanced is all. -- Amazing 02:06, 16 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Private Forum

We have a new Private forum over at the Crossman Defense Force forums. CDF members are encouraged to register and post a greeting (basically to let us know you're registered!) at which point you will be given the CDF board affiliation. LCD members are welcome as well. Should be some interesting discussion.

http://stuff2do.systs.net/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?catselect=cdf

You cannot see the Private forum at all unless you are marked as a CDF member. Thanks!

-- Amazing 19:43, 10 Dec 2005 (GMT)

What on earth is the Chuck Norris Vietnam Experience?

What isn't it? Also, please sign your posts. -- Amazing 07:07, 14 Dec 2005 (GMT)

LCD/CDF relations discussion

Whoa,hey guys LCD are still allies of CDF ? What happened ? What is the reason? Cortonna is gonna be online soon so please dont make fast desicions lets talk it first explain me what is the reason why we are not your allies anymore. --Johnny Rico 15:15, 16 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Because I shot my mouth off and overstepped my boundaries, Rico. It doesn't matter for now, let's just focus on the Museum and focus on this after we clean it out. Understood? --MaulMachine 15:51, 16 Dec 2005 (EST)

Calvert Mall and Goodson are clear. --MaulMachine 19:07, 17 Dec 2005 (EST)

Rico, I am Zod Rhombus, I act as CDF Emissary. We will request an audience with Cortonna when she returns. Until then, the CDF is not allied with the LCD. Also, the PKing situation is critical and we do not want the LCD's involvement with the CDF at this time.--Zod Rhombus 05:02, 19 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Alliance between LCD and CDF has been dissolved until such a time as MaulMachine is dealt with or recused from CDF matters by his superior. All CDF members on loan or involved with LCD are encouraged to come back to the CDF fold if they so choose to avoid problems should matters escalate between these groups. -- Amazing 00:06, 24 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Arbitration

There is currently a dispute in arbitration between LCD's current leader MaulMachine and CDF Higher-up Amazing.

LCD and CDF memebers are welcome to add their comments on the content of each person's story under a new header.

http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Moderation/Arbitration

Amazing 23:45, 24 Dec 2005 (GMT)

nemo/omen bidnezz

Moved from the front page due to decreasing relevence. -- Amazing 06:01, 28 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Crossman Grove PD is currently watching operatives from "NEMO" which is associated with the zombie group OMEN, which has expressly stated it is "converting" people in Darvall Heights.

Known members in the PD have been:

babymonkeyjesus, gonzosucksballs, larrythecucumber, billyballlicker, whitetrash, BTNemo, and supremewhore.

All are members of "NEMO" which is, as stated, simply a second group for OMEN members. "SupremeGaylord" is said to be the leader of OMEN.

It is highly recommended that these players be considered targets for surveilence.

Special note to the unknowing: Check the OMEN page. Check the NEMO page. Now compare the player names on both pages and their EDIT pages. To all who whinge and whine about PKing their spies, take a look for yourself and become educated. OMEN and NEMO are the same group.

Sneesneesneesneesnee

Your embarrassing command of the english language aside, we started griefing you independently of scinfaxi, the faggots, or ASS. We met up with them when we found we had common goals. If they become your allies, they become our enemies, naturally. Rasher 22:02, 12 May 2006 (BST)

A ceasefire does not make us allies, just not enemies. You should join in on the celebrity safari.Jjames 23:50, 12 May 2006 (BST)

The essence of Amazing's beard has clearly trapped you in some sort of mind warp. The only way I can release you from his grasp is to kill you. Welcome your liberators! Also I tried to turn this into some lame lord of the rings/beard reference but it didnt work out. But yeah, we're going to have to add you to the ASS/GANKBUS kill list. Is scinfaxi in on the deal or is he staying on our side? Rasher 23:55, 12 May 2006 (BST)

WHO ARE YOU Rasher 23:43, 12 May 2006 (BST)

Lucy Cup O' Noodle

Take this question how you want, but does the CDF (as a group) believe in following the rules of UrbanDead as set out by Kevan? --Lucero Capell 20:43, 27 February 2006 (GMT)

What does that mean? --Zod Rhombus 02:53, 28 February 2006 (GMT)

Exactly how it sounds. --Lucero Capell 15:49, 28 February 2006 (GMT)

Lucero's being a dirty troll. Don't worry about it. -- Amazing 18:25, 28 February 2006 (GMT)

How is asking a question trolling? It's not a difficult question. --Lucero Capell 19:26, 28 February 2006 (GMT)

Go troll elsewhere. Last chance before you're simply obliterated from this page. -- Amazing 19:38, 28 February 2006 (GMT)

Oh noes! --Lucero Capell 20:02, 28 February 2006 (GMT)

Listen, instead of asking negatively-veiled rhetorical questions, explain your question or go somewhere else in your self-important nerdom and let those who want to have fun and play the game play in peace. I enjoy this game and don't care to get into continuing oppressive arguments like Amazing does. Fish another pond. --Zod Rhombus 19:47, 28 February 2006 (GMT)

Fine, I'll explain the question. If your group claims to follow the rules, as they obviously should, how can you condone having a self-admitted zerger not only in your team, not only in a position of authority, but as one of your leading members? --Lucero Capell 20:40, 28 February 2006 (GMT)

Look it up. At least use the correct term. That would be "Using two characters in a small area without having them interact in the least, thusly abusing the system in no way". If you want, you can simply call it UTCSAWHTIL,TASNW. Whatever stupid, tiny little problems you have with the CDF, this isn't a valid one. -- Amazing 21:24, 28 February 2006 (GMT)

Nitpick how you want, but that is how "zerging" is defined in UrbanDead. I'm sorry, but Exo's characters certainly fit the mold. Not clear enough? To quote from the Urban Dead FAQ: "...your characters should not collaborate, nor share the same building." --Lucero Capell 21:43, 28 February 2006 (GMT)

NPOV Section

I suspect this will quickly disappear soon, but nonetheless, it might be helpful for you to read Amazing, seeing as you really don't seem to know how this whole thing works. That's right, group pages do not have carte blanche control over their pages, a NPOV section is and always has been allowed. The NPOV section is placed at the top of the page, and is not signed (that would defeat the purpose of the section). The section is considered to be public space, and as such, your shuffling it off to an "archive" (despite the fact that only discussions are archived) is not proper. I have replaced it. I know you don't like it, but that's just how it goes.

Let me make a brief summary of the information I have, since you seem to like to say that I'm lying. I have already previously established (in another one of your cleared edits) that zerging includes having characters in the same building and character collaborating with the same person controlling them. I've got screenshots of two Exo alts in the same building, I've got evidence of Exo using his two characters together to take out a single enemy, but moreover, I know you've seen them in the same building. Doubtless, these are all "fabrications created to marr the good name that is Crossman", right? --Lucero Capell 15:24, 1 March 2006 (GMT)

Lucero, I am in a leadership position as well here at Crossman. I am not like Amazing. The last thing you want is my undivided attention. We will deal with the zerging accusations internally, without interfernce from outsiders such as yourself. We will put together a response on our timetable, no one else's. If that doesn't satisfy your demands, too bad. I am here to have fun, not bicker endlessly with people I have no interest in. --Zod Rhombus 17:15, 1 March 2006 (GMT)

As I have mentioned on your talk userpage, I thank you for being level-headed and looking into this. That was my intention from the start, but Amazing doesn't like to acknowledge things like that. --Lucero Capell 21:59, 1 March 2006 (GMT)

Lucero will be reported for vandalism. Who knows if anything will happen with this Mod team's ever changing positions, but that's how it goes. Lucero claims someone claimed he lied about said "Zerging" and he quotes: "fabrications created to marr the good name that is Crossman" - Neither of these things have ever been said to him. Therein lies his dishonesty. He's probably that Nigel Killingworth idiot. -- Amazing 19:01, 1 March 2006 (GMT)

Amazing, what is up with you? How does describing your viewpoint (fairly accurately, I might add) engender being dishonest? I never said anyone said those exact words. Who's trying to nitpick now?

In any case, since you don't seem to want to let me edit the NPOV section at all, let me place my evidence before you. We discussed previously the definition of zerging, (which you have so conveniently blanked), but I'll summarize my basic points from that argument. According to the official FAQ, multiple characters should not collaborate in the least; they shouldn't even be in the same building. Kevan even goes so far as to suggest that they shouldn't even be in the same suburb. While Amazing may dispute this, that is how Kevan has defined it, and as such, that is the definition I will use.

So, evidence. Here ya go. ... So what? It could just be an incredibly coincidence that there are two characters with extremely similar names very close to each other in the list. I mean "Marco Exo Sanchez" and "Exo2000" really aren't that alike, are they? "Exo" is a very popular name in Croatia, or so I'm told. So yeah, pure coincidence. Oh wait. Exo admitted to using the two characters.

I'd just like to point out that between Exo and Marco, I just nailed four (4!) zombies.
Neither of them heal or revive each other, either.

I have 2 alts in total, and whilst I know I risk being put on the zerging list, and the
PKer list, I have been threatened with these before, and don't particularly care. I have
'legitimately' PKed whilst upholding the Nurten Revive rule. I killed someone who was a
known Nurten-killer.

Hell, someone even tried to kill me and remove me from the CDF. I got revived all those
times thanks to gpf. I pked the guy back at least three times and made him a sorry bugger
for trying in the first place! He hasn't come back since.

Do not mess with me!

So by the definition of zerging, Exo is a zerger (even having the two characters in the same building qualifies him as such, regardless of any evidence of collaboration I have, which you most certainly will not accept).

Well, in any case, my intuition tells me that this message and that post will be gone in the very near future. Knowing Amazing's past reactions when encountered with facts and reasoning that he does not personally agree with, it will be blanked. What a sad, sad story.

But it really doesn't matter, since we all know that Amazing can never ever be wrong. After all, according to him, I am not only the vandal bots that hit the wiki last night, but I am also "Nigel Killingsworth"! Who would've known? Certainly not I. But I thank you for telling me, Amazing, I'll make sure to record it in my diary. So, what's next? I am also Odd Starter and Zaruthustra, because no one else would dare to turn down a vandalism report, just 'cuz? Am I also Kevan, responsible for pulling a fast one and changing the rules around on you, just to spite you? Am I also the Sun, because I'm getting tired of revolving around you? By George, I must be God, smiting you because you irk me! --Lucero Capell 21:59, 1 March 2006 (GMT)

Get my name right

I just saw that I'm on your Persons of Interest list, but you got my name wrong. My character is Jorge Bermudez, not Johnny Bermudez like you claim. Perhaps you were confusing me with Lt.Johnny Rico, another member of my group. Thanks for your time, and could you please fix this mistake.--Bermudez 22:45, 26 February 2006 (GMT)

Eh, you LCD alts all blur together. Consider it fixed. -- Amazing 23:44, 26 February 2006 (GMT)

(Cortonna, please learn how to use a Wiki. Your posts have been moved to the proper location.)

Recommendation

I recommend this page be edited/archived due to the increase in zed activity in Darvall. We need this space for info and group support. --Zod Rhombus 22:42, 15 Jan 2006 (GMT)

Damn right. Now to figure out how to make an aaaarrrchive.... -- Amazing 23:13, 15 Jan 2006 (GMT)

Cortonna

Bromhead is no longer CDF member so please remove him from your list.Appreciated. --DarthRevan 15:12, 2 Feb 2006 (GMT) See for yourself his profile if you dont believe me. http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=275048 I didnt force him to join us ^^. Anyway gonna tell him --DarthRevan 23:18, 2 Feb 2006 (GMT)

hey cortonna do yourself a favor, and if u ever get a chance to read this, learn to police LCD, especially some of your higher-ups, bad leadership has never done anybody any good, and remember this, nobody ever won a war by dying for his country, they won by making the other poor bastard die for his, take a lesson from history...--1 4 of CDF 21:07, 22 February 2006 (GMT)

UrbanDead Rules

Bye, Lucy. Keep on Trollin'! ... Just not here. -- Amazing 21:50, 28 February 2006 (GMT)

Oh, how clever! --Lucero Capell 21:53, 28 February 2006 (GMT)

Good to see you can still give out compliments in the face of being bitchslapped. Shows strength of character. Bye. -- Amazing 21:55, 28 February 2006 (GMT)

Bah

GrimS deleted my post. Oh well, I guess vandals gather together. -- Amazing 01:42, 2 March 2006 (GMT)

OK, guys. Let's stop this right now.

Lucero - I told you we are looking into it, so shut the fuck up and quit messing with our article page. If you want to debate Amazing or bait him into a fight, do it on your respective user pages. Quit messing with CDF pages. No one presses this hard on a simple issue of zerging where there is not a siege in the occurring building, so your motives are suspect. Go to any mall and I'm sure you can debate this for years if you like that sort of thing. While Amazing may not be the most diplomatic person, I stand by him. He is a good role-player and is loyal to all CDF group members and any other survivors our group comes across. If you want to debate him, as I've said, do it on HIS page. There are a lot of us that work hard for the CDF and I am proud of our group and what we've accomplished. We have faced many hurdles - zombie spies, our proximity to Caiger, the LCD turf war and split and yet out group is becoming more cohesive with each passing day. Unfortunately for you, Amazing, Exo2000 and I seem to be well-liked in the CDF HQ. We stand united. We only get sniped by trollers on the wiki. You want a statement? Here...

The CDF in no way supports zerging or the use of multiple players directly helping one another.

We are dealing with it. Now go away, this is a CDF matter.

Grim S, I have no idea who you are. Please refrain from editing our page. --Zod Rhombus 04:20, 2 March 2006 (GMT)

Grim S appears to be with the RRF, why comment on here and change our wiki page I don't know....--1 4 of CDF 21:08, 10 March 2006 (GMT)

Maul dies, lies. Film at 11.

LokiJ here saying that Maul moniters your forums.He wonders why i was after him

Makes sense. He's our #1 Obsessed Fan. -- Amazing 01:56, 4 March 2006 (GMT)

Well Omar has been taken out twice lol ~LokiJ

Um...no I haven't...that's a lie. I was killed by a random zombie. And Loki has never killed me. MaulMachine 21:20, 6 March 2006 (GMT)

As we all know, Maul's a 100% lying traitor with a foul mouth and absolutely no self-control. The kill was confirmed by unbiased sources. Maul's character was taken out by Loki. -- Amazing 03:36, 7 March 2006 (GMT)

Wonderful news. You have whopping amounts of my personal gratitude. Good work. -- Amazing 21:00, 4 March 2006 (GMT)

Well I do this for the safety of Halse Cresent so as long as you guys help out our PD sometimes i will help you out ~Lokijester

Oh, for sure. Never hesitate to post on our forums, the Wiki Talk page, or on this page itself. We even have the space for Halse Crescent news and info, of course. -- Amazing 04:29, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

Attention all CDF, Maulmachine is touring for Lokijester(Me) and other CDF members involved in his Alt's death. Protect the area around Postlethwaite Crescent Fire Station in a 3X3 area.. I will be moving about to stay away from attacks. ~Your Friend, LokiJ

Isn't this what you posted on my page ""Hey, you wanna act like a little kid, go right ahead. Go catch a bullet. I gave you a chance to be mature. Now you get to be a target. MaulMachine 19:44, 7 March 2006 (GMT)"" Now who lies dumbass.

I'd very much like to see where you got that,

because it certainly isn't true. I'm nowhere near the FS, and neither are any of my non-LCD alts. No LCD is there under my orders either. If you wanna fight, go ahead, but stop making up shit. MaulMachine 22:59, 7 March 2006 (GMT)

To the lying liars of the CDF

As long as you're falsely claiming that I (or my partner - unsurprisingly, your accusation is vague in the extreme) operate "Jack Charlton", would you mind at least telling me who the hell Jack Charlton is? I've never heard the name before. --Jimbo Bob _ASS 03:24, 4 May 2006 (BST)

NWR - Not Worth Responce. -- Amazing 06:41, 4 May 2006 (BST)

Or a spellcheck, apparently. Can't say as I'm surprised to see that you care nothing for the truth or for evidence, though. --Jimbo Bob _ASS 07:19, 4 May 2006 (BST)

Like your group cares for truth or evidence, your group's philosophy is kill any survivors that YOU deem not worthy, that right there makes you an enemy of anybody who actually likes this game, First learn to respect all players, then maybe your voice will have some bearing. Bring in Jack Charlton or not, it doesn't matter, pking is pking, understand that and maybe your responses may be worth responding to--1 4 of CDF 21:59, 5 May 2006 (BST)

TO Mr. 1 4, I would like to say that you are making very broad claims, such as the fact that their practices make them an enemy of anybody who actually likes the game. I personally love this game, and have spent my hard earned AP encouraging the Bob's in both word and deed. So please, speak for yourself 1 4 -Banana¯\(o_º)/¯Bear 22:03, 5 May 2006 (BST)

And by the way, thanks for the support. Somehow I forgot to mention that when I was editing this earlier. --Jimbo Bob _ASS 08:59, 6 May 2006 (BST)

Or, better yet, don't speak at all. The world will thank you for it. --Jimbo Bob _ASS 23:02, 5 May 2006 (BST)

Bermudez now leader of LCD

Jorge Bermudez has been elected leader of Liberation of Crossman Dept. Turnout was low with Jorge receiving 6 votes, me with 5 votes and Omar Bradley with 2. Also, a tribunal much like ours received one vote. Let's hope Jorge can continue on the path of cooperation that we seem to be heading on. --Zod Rhombus 15:29, 16 April 2006 (BST)

MaulMachine's old tricks

MaulMachine posted a huge paragraph on top of the LCD page basically trashing CDF and accusing us of PKing him and others in LCD. I have since asked, no urged REPEATEDLY, for proof and he has taken down the paragraph, erased important parts of my feedback on the LCD talk page, asked me just to "agree" that we had people after him on my user page, saying all this would "go away" if I said yes here at the bottom of the page.

He constantly draws the subject away from providing "proof" and is calling me a war-mongerer. You guys have done nothing to warrant this and I am not going to cave in to that asshole. Since he won't provide proof, I assume there is none. He is just twisting the game to make us look bad or to go after Amazing. The LCD leadership does nothing to rein him in, even after I have asked them to. I approach every situation with a level head, and logic dictates that not everything here is as it seems. The CDF may take action against this, please go to the forum to let your opinion be heard. --Zod Rhombus 00:54, 27 March 2006 (BST)

Zombie Skills vs. Spying

1 4, I appreciate the delicacy of the situation, but you cannot declare someone a zombie spy for having only Zed skills. We have already had one member of the CDF killed earlier today for this. Please treat possible spy situations with a certain amount of diplomacy, simply dropping the suspect will cause more issues in the long run, such as being added to PK'er lists and the rest. Granted, some of those dropped have been pretty obvious at times. (The ones who are affiliated with Zombie groups for example.) But beyond this, I don't think it can be such a clear cut situation. - Monkphin 22:09 22 February 2006 (GMT)

I see what your saying, but look at it this way, our PD is surviving by a thread, nothing more, many of the ppl residing within the PD, actually contribute very little to the other survivors safety from with-in the PD, so b/c of the many break-ins that are occuring I simply think it makes sense to say, "The hell with those zombie bastards"...

The way we can survive is if we reinstate this good ol'policy of shoot first question them later, as for the PK list, ME thinks there is too much politics behind the people behind those lists, My loyalty right now is to Crossman Defense Force, and not to other survivor groups who want to play pat-a-cake with the zeds...freakin spies make me sick...--1 4 of CDF 18:19, 23 February 2006 (GMT)

Then you are being very short sighted. For every action their is a consequence and for every consequence an action, simply being gung ho and running in all guns blazing is a very quick and easy way to completely ruin any chance the CDF have in the long term. Period. - Monkphin 23:57 23 February 2006 (GMT)

dude u cannot be serious, do you have any idea how many members are being careleesly killed because there are one to many spies in our PD?

Somebody is on the inside of the PD helping the zeds break in, I wonder monkphin why do you defend the zombie spys? Makes one believe you might not be a legitimate member...by syaing what you did you bring the question of, whose side are you on anyway?--1 4 of CDF 01:02, 24 February 2006 (GMT)

No infighting. We can consider anyone who has only Zed skills or has Zed skills plus Bodybuilding only (very popular for zombies too) to be a spy. It's just how things work. However, they need to be asked to leave the PD. If they do not, OR they make ANY act of aggression, they should be terminated. (of course if they are listed as a member of an enemy group, etc. they can immediately be killed.)

Asking someone to leave the PD for security reasons is completely acceptable. They can find another PD to search for Ammo. If they refuse to leave, then one has to ask WHY they aren't content to leave when they aren't wanted. This signals a spy as much as anything else.

But yeah, no infighting. Warn suspected spies if they are clearly spies or Zombie players, but if they ignore the warning (give an appropriate amount of time) or make any act of aggression, terminate them.

We don't need people bringing down our barricades from within or sending our conversation/location/actions to the Enemy. But we also don't need to PK innocent players. Once a warning is ignored or flippantly disregarded, the player is no longer innocent, as they have violated a request to move to another PD. There are some great PDs to move to that are near Crossman, so there is no reason for a player to stay once they are asked to leave. -- Amazing 02:33, 24 February 2006 (GMT)

Amazing, thank you. This was my issue here. There have been instances where no warning seems to have been given, or if a warning has been given the suspected spy has explained themselves and still been shot down anyway. The whole argument against role playing that went on the other day, which resulted in toast boy later being shot down for attacking a suspected spy, this is my primary issue here. Not letting spies get off scotch free, or whatever.

Either-way, I'm just trying to look to the long term survival of the CDF here. while I agree zombie spies should be terminated with extreme prejudice, as I have pointed out I have noticed instances where people have simply shot down someone in the PD with no chance of rebuttal or any signs of a warning being given in some cases. I personally just don't want us to be in a position sometime down the line where the entirety of Malton is on our backs.

Oh and 1 4 - Yeah, I'm 'defending spies' as you put it, sure. Actually I'm trying to be diplomatic about what is a very tense and ultimately difficult situation. Yes, we cannot let spies in the PD willy nilly to report back to who ever they choose and help bring the barricades down around us, but at the same time we really cannot afford to let simple paranoia over come us all either, since in the long run this will really be of a detriment to the CDF. - Monkphin 11:00 24 February 2006 (GMT)

Look Monkphin, I truly respect and understand what you are saying, and I further apologize for the accusations I held against you...HOWEVER, I still think you are being a little too naive about the situation at hand, there are players who are being PKed for simply defending the PD, THIS CANNOT AND WILL NOT STAND, ANY AGGRESSION AGAINST CDF MEMBERS INSIDE THE PD, WILL NOT, I REPEAT WILL NOT BE TOLERATED, we are currently in a state of war, albeit small and more of a guerilla war. I don't know about you, but "it's times like these you learn to live again " - Everlong, lol jk, but I for one will not waste AP, warning zed spies (you do know that the MT06 and the RRF condemn the use of spies, right?) I will simply massacre any spies I encounter, w/o question if they are in the Crossman PD, "As for others I am not sure what course of action they may take in these trying times, as for me Give me Liberty, or GIVE ME DEATH!" -Patrick Henry

BTW death is not an option...--1 4 of CDF 18:02, 24 February 2006 (GMT)

Lovely quoting there. However, you really should give a warning before trying to separate someones head from their body for suspicion of being a spy. Correct, in your assesment or not. The AP used? You will earn that back while giving the person a grace period to at least get a reply in before you get to shout 'Boom, Head shot' at them. Its for reasons such as this that Toast Boy seems to be the target for PK'ers from all around Malton right now. Sure, if someone walks into the PD and lets rip on any one in there with no just cause, then by all means open up with all guns, I'd expect no less from any of us. Just please, for the sake of the teams long term survival and to avoid having us all added to PK'er lists the world over, give fair warning before opening up on a suspected spy. You need to approach this with the innocent until proven guilty frame of mind, rather than the other way around. Monkphin 11:04 25 February 2006 (GMT)

Fine! I think the compromise is that I will not kill them unless they are blatantly a zed spy or just have any enemy group affiliation, however there will be exceptions, few, but there will still be some. Even before I let loose a storm of ammunition, I will announce to EVERYONE why the certain individual has been marked for death, as for the suspicious figures, I will have them noted of, Oh yeah ONE EXCEPTION IS, If someone kills a CDF member they will be executed on the spot, no questions asked, I will simply give them the notice then continue with their sentence, B/C I for see it necessary at times to be judge, jury, and executioner...--1 4 of CDF 03:17, 27 February 2006 (GMT)

Actually Monkphin, the 2 ppl who PKed me were not even in the PD when I pointed at zombie spies. I had never seen them before and they just came out of the blue and attacked me! And I gave did give fair warning! In fact, the times that I pointed out spies that you're referring too were times when I was out of AP.. So I never actually attacked anyone. Just wanted to clear that up because ppl seem to think I was PKed for something, when it was actually just a random idiot...--Toast Boy 10:05, 27 February 2006 (GMT)

Just so you know Toast Boy, I'm not sure if this would have shown when you logged in next and woke up dead, but. One of the people who PK'ed you did it due to your roleplaying arguement with one of the suspected spies, I'm not saying you yourself killed them, but this was the reasoning used by one of your PK'ers. I think I still have a screen grab on my work computer - I'll find out for sure in the morning. Monkphin 20:28 27 February 2006 (GMT)

Stolen Quote

Copy/Pasted from a messageboard. Supposedly really happened.

Me: Zombie stole the cookie from the cookie jar!
Zombie: Mrh?
Me: Yes you!
Zombie: Graaaagh!
Me: Then who?
Zombie: Grrh.

Just thought it was hilarious. -- Amazing 00:13, 11 Jan 2006 (GMT)

LCD & MaulMachine

Just a note to all CDF members, MaulMachine is actively helping the Zeds plan their attacks on Darvall and Caiger. Keep an eye on these guys. They seem to like calling CDF members cowards while they curse and run around and die alot like pre-teen lemmings. If things continue to worsen with the LCD, a cripple order may be issued. MaulMachine is to be considered a Zombie Spy, given his public actions on this Wiki to help the Mall Tour. -- Amazing 06:53, 30 Jan 2006 (GMT)

i'm just curious how you think kthat Maul is a zombie spy, if you have proof i would love to see it.--Bermudez 17:06, 30 Jan 2006 (GMT)

Here. -- Amazing 18:41, 30 Jan 2006 (GMT)

He must be some devious clever zombie spy to post to the Wiki under his survivor username. Serious business. --Tremendmouse 02:32, 31 Jan 2006 (GMT)

No one said he was smart. -- Amazing 03:03, 31 Jan 2006 (GMT)

I alledge that Cortonna and Maul both use Alts in close proximity because MaulMachine and Cortonna have specific typing errors that match up with those of others in LCD. Though these errors are not uncommon, it is HIGHLY unlikely that the small group of leading LCD members have them by random chance.

MaulMachine claims that there's nothing wrong with him 'role playing' a traitor character. We don't need him hanging around only to decide he will 'role play' us into more danger a couple days later. -- Amazing 00:09, 31 Jan 2006 (GMT)

Hello, I recently discovered that my character KristiOTD was listed as a Nurten Killer. While I will not dispute the accusation as I honestly don't remember doing it I would like to ask that my name be removed. I have always attmepted to play Kristi with sense of honor and duty and I must say that had I noticed it was a revive point I would not have killed a citizen waiting for a revive. While I will admit that like all players there was a period where I didn't know very much about UD I feel that I have worked to repay any debt I might have earned by killing a waiting reviver. I have joined the Malton Fire Department and I work everyday to revive the people in my suburbs and protect them from the hordes. Which is why I come here to ask you to please remove my name from your list. Thank you -- Kristi of the Dead

No problem. Nobody starts out knowing all the Rev Points. -- Amazing 05:34, 2 Feb 2006 (GMT)

Hi, I'm sorry Amazing, I didn't read the proof you had, I would have never guessed that MaulMachine was actually working with the zeds, once I read that I would at least try to apologize to you personally, I can't get on the CDF forum page...but yeah I'm sorry...

No problem. Maul talks a good game so it's hard to know what's what. Hopefully he's done "role playing" a turncoat now. I imagine he'll reply to this again now denying it. :\ Either way as I say I hope he's at least done doing it. -- Amazing 06:34, 2 Feb 2006 (GMT)

A message from CMS

Great warriors, soldiers, medics, and scientist alike; allies who were, are and will bravely defend the mall, listen to me. The mall has been under siege now for more then a month and the defenders have done well. The zombies have noticed this as well, and have lost a great deal of hope, trying to reach an unreachable goal. They are tired, and want to leave, but do cannot make up their mind. It is up to us, fellow defenders of all sorts and ages, to help them decide, to help give them a good hard push, send them home, to where they belong. Fellow members of CMS have come up with an effective plan, and would like to call out to all the allies of the mall to aid them in, for this is as a mall for us as it is for you. If you would like to get involved in the plan, please email me (redbeak@gmail.com) your Username and your profile link, and I would then send you a password to an account for a forum, on which the plans and discussions are being held. All this is a precaution, in order to prevent complications of zombie spies. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask, I would most definitely answer it.

Hope to see you all in the birth of this great plan, MLSGuy (Steven Yu, member of CMS)

Well I replied to your email, email me back, ASAP what your plan is...--1 4 of CDF 08:48, 22 March 2006 (GMT)

Roywood talks

I see "LCD talks part 354" is over. Result? -- Amazing 23:59, 18 March 2006 (GMT)

Cortonna Quote

Here is a fun quote from Cortonna, leader of Liberation of Crossman Department:

Cortonna said "Every man/woman for himself RUN FOR YOUR LIFE WHILE YOU STILL CAN YOU WILL NEVER TAKE ME ALIVE I RATHER KILL MYSELF THAN BECOME ONE OF YOU MONSTER AAAAAAAAAA *starts shooting*" (10-28 10:19 GMT)

Found recently in the archives of the CotR forums. -- Amazing 04:58, 20 March 2006 (GMT)

Oh yeah! I remember that. Good ol' times :)). I actually have all the conversations from before the Church attack and after that. --DarthRevan 20:19, 26 March 2006 (BST)

Complainin'

Hey. Again, Jimbo Bob, Brainslover, and Steven Jones ehn't spies. They's PKers, damnit. Plain and simple. Move 'em. -- Larry Gray/Jimbo Bob/Brainslover/Steven Jones

Are you expecting me to believe they've never spied on anyone - even hot young coeds? -- Amazing 06:09, 23 March 2006 (GMT)

Mmm... coeds - I mean, of course not! But seriously, I consider spying to be pretty much beneath me. Even if I had a link to a group that would accept reports garnered in such a manner (which I don't), it's not something I'd do. And just FYI, having Steven Jones on your page is a waste of space. He's never even been in that part of the map. -- McSnatherson

Guys, I'd like to complain about LokiJester killing my guy(Peterbluer2) for killing a Z spy. Can someone please revive me?G

Recruitment

Your page has been removed from the recruitment page due to inactivity. Feel free to add it again, but remember that it must be updated at least once every two weeks to not be deleted again. Also, be sure to list it in the proper category of group when re-listing.

Thanks,

--John Rove 07:33, 24 March 2006 (GMT)

Outbreak

I wish you guys luck...When I die the next time. I'm not comming back. This is pointless cause it will take DAYS to WEEKS for people who need revives to live so i am just going to stay dead and disappear.

If you wish to continue with a better fight and better game Join me and others on www.Outbreakgame.com It is the same concept except you fight demons as a merc. Much better system and less lag. I will miss you guys after LokiJester dies. My name for outbreak is LokiJester. Find me if you join

Signed your friend always. The Ever Reluctant LokiJ

--Lokijester 05:31, 29 March 2006 (BST)

Yeah, I'm the pixel artist for Outbreak, if he ever decides to work Pixel art back in. (Early on he decided to hold off for a while)

I co-run DragonSpires also, which is 140,520% better than UD - in it's alpha stages, even. -- Amazing 06:40, 29 March 2006 (BST)

Request

Can you please fix "Persons of interest". For 10000 times I am not Cortonna's alt. Thank you. By the way there seems to be something wrong with your page. There is a duplicate. If you go to human groups there are two Crossman Defense Force. --Johnny Rico 16:11, 2 April 2006 (BST)

Until you can prove that 1000000000000000000%, you're staying, because for all intents and purposes, both of you type the same and behave the same. You type in EXACTLY the same FORMAT. You have in the past, at least. So don't think you're off the hook. --Exo2000 11:33, 5 April 2006 (BST)

Is it a crime for people to come from the same country now? MaulMachine 17:22, 5 April 2006 (BST)

You and I are from the same country, and we're from the same state. We don't type exactly the same, now do we? -- Amazing 18:10, 5 April 2006 (BST)

Behave same? Ha! Me and Cortonna have much different style both in game and here. And chesus christ how the fuck I am supposed to know that in wiki(or somewhere else too dunno) you should always put space after the next sentence,nobody teach you that. At any rate Cortonna's english is much better then mine I would say. Off the hook? I dont need to get off the hook. This thing only irritates me amigos Johnny Rico 09:53, 6 April 2006 (BST)

You think you'd pick up the space thing by reading anything in English. At all. I still believe you to be the same person, though I don't particularly care. Just FYI. -- Amazing 02:18, 7 April 2006 (BST)

NPOV? Yeah, right.

Do you people not get the idea of NPOV? It's supposed to be a history of the group with no slants from any side. Your edits have basically turned that into a CDF propaganda machine.

Oh, also, there are no such things as Zombie Spies. Death Cultists, yes, but they tell you who they are. And your policy of PKing anyone you think is a zombie spy is stupid. And if you want to add me to some kind of 'zombie symphasizer' list for disagreeing with you, tell me, and I'll give you my characters's profiles. And most of you are laffo squidgeys.

flareblade77 20:25, 11 April 2006 (EST)

Go away. -- Amazing 18:43, 16 April 2006 (BST)

I am a Snowflake

Why are all GANKBUS members still listed as zergers? I am a unique individual with thoughts and dreams. -- Rueful 21:24, 18 April 2006 (BST)

Yeah, that's not very fair. I'm not addicted to UD to pay the five bucks to zerg. Scinfaxi 23:18, 18 April 2006 (BST)

Proposal

Your presence and input is requested in a potential agreement that concerns the interests of your group. You will not be flamed nor will your posts be deleted. see Proposal If you have any questions or desire clarification, please contact me or post your question on the talk page --Prosperina 4:45 24 April 2006 (BST)

Love Amazing

I make the BEST templates! And you should all put it on your page!

	I <3 AMAZING!
	This user or group <3s Amazing! This user or group is also Anti-Anti-Amazing. <3

Template:LoveAmazing

Use this code- {{Template:LoveAmazing}} --Toast Boy 04:37, 26 April 2006 (BST)

Yeah, well I fixed that mess-up.. Thanks for pointing that out Mo... --Toast Boy 07:05, 27 April 2006 (BST)

Greetings from some tiny part of the RRF

Just looking through your page, and I noticed that the Ridleybank Resistance Front is on your list of evil enemy groups. Well, that's fine, we are after all zombies. But just so you know, the horde is not camped at the Nurten Avenue revive point, nor are we currently plotting the downfall of any part of scenic Darvall Heights. Not even Piers Park. Feel free to accuse us of it though, because it is just the sort of thing we would do, and if you would like to be our enemies-at-a-distance, go for it, say I.

Here's hoping that if we ever do get together again, we'll have a good time eating brains (on our side) and shooting heads (on your side). --Fred Dullard 19:44, 28 April 2006 (BST)

I know a group as large as yours can't keep track of all its members, but when handfuls of folks with RRF as their affiliation camp on our Rev point or PK our members while 'harman', we simply go with what seems to be the case. Consider it a "keep your eyes and ears open" notation to our own ranks. -- Amazing 06:43, 29 April 2006 (BST)

Hey, look! I see you. Or your body, anyhow. Hrm. So we're not at such a very great distance any more. How things change, eh? Well, greetings from your enemies at no very great distance. We're really plotting the downfall of Something Else, but we are indeed in the neighborhood. I swear we're still not after Piers Park, though. Hi, enemies! --Fred Dullard 19:20, 10 May 2006 (BST)

Locations Page

While borwsing, I noticed there wasn't a Crossman_Grove_Police_Dept page, so I made one. Feel free to make use of it! And, you know, if there already was one, let me know so I can put this one up for speedy deletion. --Sirens^{T RR} 04:43, 1 May 2006 (BST)

Problem Group Discussion

(Moved from main page...)

Okay whoever had moddified that to say, Ron Burgundy was leader of this group clearly did no research or his homeowrk for that matter, Ron Burgundy is the Anchorman for the very classy Channel 4 News Team, If you are going to write something at least let it be the truth...--1 4 of CDF 08:06, 16 May 2006 (BST)

It said Ron Burgundy PKer. The leader, Scinfaxi, used to be a Ron Burgandy PKer. Supposedly, they're cool now, as with us. Ron Burgundy is way classy. --Zod Rhombus 22:42, 16 May 2006 (BST)

Random Comments

Amazing, the new front page looks great! gg. --Zod Rhombus 14:12, 26 May 2006 (BST)

Amazing, the new front page loo--- OW MY GOD! MY EYES ARE BLEEDING! --hagnat ^mod 03:42, 29 May 2006 (BST)

Har. Very funny. Don't remove stuff from the page. -- Amazing 04:54, 29 May 2006 (BST)

Hardy Har Har. You can edit your page, but the 'Amazing is watching' is oustide it, in the blank space reserved for the wiki. If people were going to start placing anything they want outside the borders of their page we might start seeing this kind of thing in all pages. You ask me not to edit this page again, so i ask you, before moving it to arbitration, to remove it. --hagnat ^mod 18:38, 29 May 2006 (BST)

The code/text is in the source of the page. The DIV is aligned differently. Please consider the fact that removing text from our page without our consent or any guideline violation is vandalism. Go ahead and bring it to Arbitration and lose. Our page is our domain. -- Amazing 18:41, 29 May 2006 (BST)

Actually, no. The code IS NOT in the source of the page. It's hidden in a sub-page of your user page, and being called using the namespace pages as templates exploit. And, while the code is "inside" the CDF page, it displays content outside it. It's like adding another link to the navigation menu on the left, below the UrbanDead logo. (with propper knoweledge on CSS anyone can do it)--hagnat ^mod 18:49, 29 May 2006 (BST)

AND USE THE FUCKING SHOW PREVIEW BUTTON DAMMIT!!!! --hagnat ^mod 18:49, 29 May 2006 (BST)

Guess what! The code to call the info from my userspace is CODE. Therefor, yes, you are removing CODE from the page's source. Now shut your mouth unless you're going to file an arbitration case and get laughed at. And yes, I've experimented with the CSS. File your case or stop this rediculous "WATCH ME GET AMAZING" bullshit. As for the preview button, look at the history and you'll see I was responding to Sonny Corleone. OMG GET AMAZING! -- Amazing 18:52, 29 May 2006 (BST)

Amazing, what you do in your user space is one thing. This is different. Adding links outside of where the page should go rarely has any legitimate use and is heavily frowned upon at ALL of the wikis I have contributed to in the past. What is it even necessary for anyway? –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 18:56, 29 May 2006 (BST)

Take it to Policy Discussion. -- Amazing 18:58, 29 May 2006 (BST)

Policy Discussion is under maintenance, so i just filled an arbitration case against this. --hagnat ^mod 19:07, 29 May 2006 (BST)

You and I both know there's absolutely NO real reason it couldn't have been posted in Policy Discussion. -- Amazing 19:21, 29 May 2006 (BST)

Jesus titty fucking Christ! What have you done?! Sonny Corleone ^WTF 03:49, 29 May 2006 (BST)

Are you afraid of the color Blue or something? -- Amazing 04:54, 29 May 2006 (BST)

It fucking GOUGES! Ugh, put it back, it's hideous! And for the last time, MaulMachine's return is BHMF personnel, not RRF! MaulMachine ^U! 06:13, 29 May 2006 (BST)

Go mind your own pages. -- Amazing 06:35, 29 May 2006 (BST)

It's like Fisher Price My First Wiki. Get rid of it. Sonny Corleone ^WTF 18:41, 29 May 2006 (BST)

If you don't like it, don't look at it. -- Amazing 18:42, 29 May 2006 (BST)

I can't now that you blinded me. Sonny Corleone ^WTF 18:44, 29 May 2006 (BST)

Problem solved. -- Amazing 18:47, 29 May 2006 (BST)

Amazing, I like the new page, despite whatever it is these crybabies are cryin' about. It seems more fluid/dynamic. (Delta flyer 03:45, 30 May 2006 (BST))

Domo arigato. -- Amazing 03:52, 30 May 2006 (BST)

Probably just at the choice of a dark-cyan-ish sort of colour. I'd prefer to see it used more sparingly myself. It's your group's page though. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 05:09, 30 May 2006 (BST)

Delta's Connection

Sorry Zod if this isn't a good place for this post, but I didn't know where else to put it. Anyways, a player contacted me on behalf of a group called TechCom. They/he expressed interest in helping in revives and other things in exchange for putting a watchful eye in their area of Malton (Darvall Heights and Eastonwood). The player's profile is here http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=333015. I just thought I'd let you know and you can explore it if you'd like.(Delta flyer 16:23, 26 June 2006 (BST))

I'll check it out. Eastonwood has had its problems, we could use a presence there. Helping a fellow survivor group, especially revivers, is what we're about. But this guy sounds familiar, was he a Nurten killer or something a while back? Hmmmm, I'll track them down and find out more when I have AP. Thanks for the tip, Delta. --Zod Rhombus 21:31, 27 June 2006 (BST)

Please stop murdering Hrimfaxi.

He has asked me to ask you to stop pking him. He has never attacked anyone and promises never to. I can't see how you justify killing someone for their affiliation alone. That makes as bad as you claim we are. Respectfully please stop killing hrimfaxi.Jjames 01:50, 10 May 2006 (BST)

I wonder if anyone else sees the hilarious irony of this post. Anyway, I've put a disclaimer on the front CDF page about The Faggots. Hopefully folks will abibe by it even though Scinfaxi has PKed me after the posting. I can let it go. Can you guys? -- Amazing 02:16, 10 May 2006 (BST)

I don't see why it matters if Scinfaxi, Engidu, or I kill any member of the CDF. I'm not saying I don't expect retaliation for pking whether I thought it was justified or not. It is however, wrong to kill Hrimfaxi because of our actions. All he does is revive people. Why target him if you aren't pkers? I request a specific ban on killing hrimfaxi as long as he stays out of the Crossman PD and doesn't kill anyone.Jjames 03:26, 10 May 2006 (BST)

I don't believe you are honestly wondering about this. Your group kills ANY CDF member, not just certain ones. As such, ANY member of your group is fair game if you are going to continue to attack. -- Amazing 03:31, 10 May 2006 (BST)

But not every member of my group does this. You claim we are a pk group because we do this. Doesn't it make you a pk group to attack any member of our group because of other peoples actions? I don't see how there's any difference. Why not consider the members of our group who don't attack you off limits? That way you can behave in a way that distinguishes you from the type of people you claim to hate?Jjames 07:53, 10 May 2006 (BST)

all of CDF are revivers then! geeeeez what logic you have Jjames. 'please don't kill one member of our group because he doesn't fight, he revives' <----that makes little sense. ANYONE with CDF in their profile gets hit. You want your BUDDY that doesn't supposedly kill, probably just spies as he's an alt of someone who does(pretty surely), to have immunity? sure, everytime i see him i won't kill him. Roscoe 00:16, 11 May 2006 (BST)

The sheer... Okay, let me start again so as not to be inflammatory. The fact that you are asking us not to kill members of your group when you kill members of our group regardless of their standing or their actions is, to me, laughable. Tell you what - Create a list of CDFers you won't kill, and we'll do the same for your group. As long as the lists are honored, they'll stand. (Now watch kids... he won't bite on this!) -- Amazing 06:24, 11 May 2006 (BST)

That sounds reasonable to me. I don't have a charter up of your members but I can see a simple answer. Have every member who is willing to state they will not retaliate against The Faggots for killing members who do actively participate in the fued and they will be unharmed. I'll even see to it that they are punished if they violate this pact. For his part hrimfaxi has already stated that he will not kill other players.Jjames 18:35, 11 May 2006 (BST)

All members of the CDF are willing to stop participating in the fued. This is not a joke or a trick. Let's draw up a reasonable plan for a ceasefire. I don't know if you actually think the CDF has any intentions beyond protecting themselves and their fellow members, but we have no interest in continuing this past the point where you guys keep at us. -- Amazing 19:27, 11 May 2006 (BST)

Why don't they just quit PKing us? Let's play the game the way it was meant to be played - Human vs. Zombie. Enough of this PK mess!--Zod Rhombus 15:55, 11 May 2006 (BST)

Respectfully, I have to disagree. The fact is that since pking is an option, I beleive it was intended to be part of the game. Besides all the Romero movies have pking and their the best zombie movies ever. I beleive this is a two sided issue. I am firmly convinced that the CDF started this fued and has done as much as us to keep it going. However, you'll see in my post above a resolution to avoid collateral damage from our little war.Jjames 18:35, 11 May 2006 (BST)

This was started by all of you folks, not us. In any way. Feel freel to back up your claim but... Yeah. You guys began this. When you PK someone, and they make note that you are a PKer - getting PKed because someone recognizes you is not then that person's "fault". Shouldn't have started off PKing if you can't handle the reprocussions. (In this instance "you" is a general term, not you specifically.) -- Amazing 19:27, 11 May 2006 (BST)

This is obviously an attampt to gain support for their group by making them look like the victims. It is also an attempt to get us on the PK group list. The CDF does not condone PKing, we only kill as not to be killed. Anyone can see that the Faggots group exists only to PK us, it's in their charter. This was not started by us, to say otherwise is false. This group has brought us a lot of grief, PKed a lot of survivors just because they had "CDF" listed in their profile (as well as some allies), attempted to smear our reputation and now they are getting some grief back and they call "foul". Grow up. If you want us to leave you alone, leave us alone. --Zod Rhombus 22:38, 11 May 2006 (BST)

I want to apologize for the miscommunication. I came into this fued after it started, and as a result I may have gotten a colored idea about some of the members involved and their willingness to reach an agreement. I would not have spoken as I did if I thought you would be entirely willing to drop hostilities providing that we would. Again, this probably has more to joining an already escalating fued than any impunities on your characters. I hope my willingness to cast all previous doubts aside and accept an offer of peace with trust assures you that while you may not aprove of my game playing styles, at least you can trust me to be reasonable and trustworthy. I hope this dispels any miscommunication between us.Jjames 01:10, 12 May 2006 (BST)

Just a note, that Hrimfaxi murdered a CDF member, just noting is all, we still have a peace agreement in palce, but Hrimfaxi/Scinfaxi/jjames/Gankbus/however many other alts you have, you are taking actions that would not be recommended by any who wish for peace. --1 4 of CDF 09:45, 10 June 2006 (BST)

That sounds like a baseless accusation to me. Either prove kills with screen shots or cease making claims. As for alts, we have none. Any further slander will be reported to the vandal banning page.Jjames 17:00, 10 June 2006 (BST)

A reasonable plan for a ceasefire:

I propose a straightfoward declaration of end of hostilities between CDF and The Faggots.

1) The Faggots will remove CDF from their enemies listing and ask that you do the same.

2) Immediatly upon acceptance of ceasefire, no member of either team will attack the other despite any previous grudge or wiki-related problems. This ceasefire should be understood to be permanent.

3) Any violation of this ceasefire should be first resolved with an attempt at discovering if it was an accidental violation (I only suggest this because you have many more members than us and it seems possible one might attack us for killing them in the past without realizing a ceasefire is in effect) and allowing the other group to deal with it internally.

4) Groups will be allowed to stay in any building without it being taken as a act of hostility.

5) No admission of guilt or regret needs be made on either side in order to agree with this ceasefire. Both groups can continue pov comments as to the history of the original fued. (I for one will refrain from any, as I think it's best to put it in the past)

If you feel any changes need to be made, we are open to comprimise. I hope this point are all agreeable to you, and the moment you reach a final decision, post it here. I have already gotten full support from all my group members (perhaps surpisingly, even Scinfaxi) so we can declare it official the moment you do. Once again, I apreciate the spirit in which my entreaties have been recieved and appreciate being given the benifit of the doubt.Jjames 01:03, 12 May 2006 (BST)

This sounds interesting to be sure - I have a few small questions. Don't regard these as anything other than inqueries with the intent of fully understanding what this will bring.

Can it be agreed upon that the Faggots will not become another new group we do not have a ceasefire with in order to bypass this agreement?
Can it be agreed upon that neither group will be held accountable for fake members that join the group in name only in-game and try to destroy the ceasefire?
Will any member of the Faggots be considered "above" the restrictions?

That's all I can think of at the moment. -- Amazing 01:12, 12 May 2006 (BST)

The Faggots will not use name changes to get around this ceasefire, we will only accept new members on the grounds that they honor all ceasefires past and present, and no member is above this agreement (yes, that means Scinfaxi). Of course, seeing the guerilla tactics used by members posing as CDF to discredit you, I can see why you would worry about that. No, neither group will be held accountable for trolls. That is why I suggested we reslove suspected breaches with diplomacy first to root out any misunderstanding or third party treachery. The intent of this ceasefire is the same as I'm sure as your intent was, the ending of this fued.

I'll run it by the others. I had put up a "No CDF member is to attack Faggot members" note on the CDF page right here based on the post that you guys were thinking about moving on, but very soon after Sci PKed me so I figured it was for nothing. This time I'll run it past a few people and see if they have anything to add/inquire about. -- Amazing 01:42, 12 May 2006 (BST)

I've run this past a lot of CDF members, and haven't heard anyone who wants to turn it down. Some questions and reservations (can't blame folks.) but it seems to be widely accepted.

Let's start rolling on this, but allow for an 'adjustment' period so that the message can get seen by all CDFers and related hangers-on. -- Amazing 03:03, 13 May 2006 (BST)

Maybe I'm too "nutty" (dodges Pun-Killing missile), but would a period of one week of semi-cease fire work, and if no one dies, it becomes perminent? --Karlsbad 07:42, 13 May 2006 (BST)

Indeed that sounds about right. I'd allow for mistakes or impersonation though. Don't want someone who hasn't heard of the ceasefire to ruin it for everyone else. Should also be able to reprimand/kick out someone who directly disobeys the ceasefire, instead of having that action destroy it. -- Amazing 07:50, 13 May 2006 (BST)

Sounds reasonable to me. When do you want to start officially?Jjames 22:07, 13 May 2006 (BST)

To be honest I'd like to hand my part in this over to Zod as he's better with this sort of thing. I'd say let's begin this immediately. I'll post a note on the Wiki page and forums, and contact all members I have listed on AIM. What do you think in terms of a "adjustment period"? Week? -- Amazing 23:06, 13 May 2006 (BST)

That should be fine.Jjames 00:36, 14 May 2006 (BST)

Any concerns may also be reported to me, as I'm probably the only one who will be accused of breaking the cease fire. Scinfaxi 06:12, 15 May 2006 (BST)

Comments from the Peanut Gallery

If the faggots participate in a ceasefire before victory conditions have been met, they will be considered enemies of GANKBUS and will be targetted as such until victory conditions have been met. Rasher 01:51, 12 May 2006 (BST)

Wow Derek Jeter, or should I say rasher/all of ur gankbus alts, You would actually want to continue this war YOUR group started, I mean come one enough is enough, Gankbus started this along with Scnifaxi, and now you will not let the group, Faggots to peacefully resign? We want peace, but Scinfaxi along with your group will not let us be, AS the public is my witness you have just become that much more of an Bigot. If your group so much as pushes this war, then we will not be held accountable for what YOUR group has made us do...--1 4 of CDF 07:30, 12 May 2006 (BST)

(Unnecissary convo. moved to the Archive in order to head off another flame war. My hand was forced since we are trying to move FORWARD here, and don't need GANK and FAG members fighting on here.)

I accept a ceasfire with the Faggots. Consequently, GANKBUS can eat my ass with a spoon (Delta flyer 23:28, 12 May 2006 (BST))

(Unnecissary commentary removed. Will not be archived. Talk to Faggots on their talk page or yours. Not ours.)

Rasher, I hope you aren't talking to me (Delta flyer) becasuse firstly, I wasn't banned, the General warned me. Secondly, I'm a CDF member so I don't see why you should be concerned with members posting on their own wiki. Ya know, you Amazing/CDF haters cry a lot about the littlest, most innocuous things that you claim Amazing/CDFers do...Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! The vast majority of CDF members have supported their leadership through this trying time with you folks, and we stand as strong, if not stronger, together before you came along. Your pitiful campaign to disband the CDF is futile. You can hide in your little holes only to come to strike, but it makes no difference because we are revived within hours (if not minutes) once we log back on thanks to the great work of others at different revive points in Darvall. CDF has tried, and achieved, peace with the Faggots. If you have a problem with the Faggots, post on thier wiki; we don't care who you hate. Otherwise, keep on coming I say because you folks are nothing more than bratty children; you grow bored easily in the face of calmness. Ta for now small child (Delta flyer 21:57, 13 May 2006 (BST))

Don't worry, you can just delete Rasher's comments here. As semi-owner of this page, I give you and any CDF member permission to act as my proxy in removing Rasher's (and only Rasher's) comments from this page until he decides to be civil. -- Amazing 23:08, 13 May 2006 (BST)

Who keeps on adding thsoe comments [w/o a timestamp] after what I said and then again after what delta flyer had said?--1 4 of CDF 13:38, 14 May 2006 (BST)

This may be off topic a little, but I didn't know where to put it. Apparently, posting a kill on the ASS wiki is vandalism (http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Assault_on_Stupid_Survivors&diff=243852&oldid=243362). If you open the link, you will see that it was just a kill post with a little of the added flare that I thought ASS would appreciate. Anyways, I think that it's bogus. Imagine if we reported every enemy who posted on our wiki...bunch of cryin' babies those ASS asses are;)! (Delta flyer 22:41, 14 May 2006 (BST))

Posting on other groups article pages outside the NPOV is only in very clear cases not vandalism when reported. So it's basically where that group itselfs draws the line on their page. And seeing the history between your groups it's quite clear that editing of their page will not be a smart thing to do. In fact at the moment I'd say it's best if nobody would edit their talkpage as well. Some group members aren't allowed anymore already(as are certain members of theirs with this page) and in order to let everything cool down a bit I´d advice you and most other members refrain from that as well--Vista ^W! 23:17, 14 May 2006 (BST)

Indeed I think it's best if people who aren't addressing us, but are threatning another user/group, don't post on our talk page. Instead it should be a convo held on the FAGGOT or GANKBUS pages. -- Amazing _{• SGP¦McZ¦CDF¦UDPD •} 04:23, 15 May 2006 (BST)

Trouble with Cease-fire?

It would appear that all is not what it seems. The Faggot leader Scinfaxi appears whenever a CDF is PKed. I have seen this more than once, it can't be coincidence. I suggest in a show of good faith that the Faggots leave Darvall Heights, if their intentions are truly for peace between our groups. We have abided by the terms of the cease-fire, with no suspicious actions. If Scinfaxi has an alt in ASS or GANKBUS, he should be considered a target as well. Zerging I still don't condone. I want this cease-fire to work, however I will strike down anyone who threatens CDF, agreement or not. --Zod Rhombus 04:24, 17 May 2006 (BST)

I don't think it's a big coincidence. It seems like the same people are killing you now as always have. The fact is, we have already done a lot to show good faith. If you have a problem, then you can leave Darvall Heights. I find it insulting that you levy accusations against us with no proof. We have been targeted by Gankbus for calling a ceasefire. They are a lot more dangerous than you are, but we went through with the ceasefire anyway because we gave our word. We have abided by the ceasefire. I don't feel that we should be punished for it.Jjames 04:41, 17 May 2006 (BST)

Just to clarify, the most recent instance was my PKing, followed by Sci immediately walking in and saying: "Amazing is a zombie now, so technically I should be able to kill him!" (or something similar) after which he left just as immediately as he arrived.

I'm not saying you should or shouldn't do anything. I'm saying that for someone to be PKed, then have someone pop in, call them by name when they're a zombie (contact list, I'd assime) in order to poke fun, then leave just as fast - seems suspicious. I don't think this is any kind of deal-breaker, but it should be known that we do wonder what's going on with this type of behavior.

Do you know what I mean? I'm just curious, and a bit skeptical, but I'm not saying "OMG BAK 2 WAR" or anything. We're not planning on taking any kind of action about that or anything, we're just concerned. -- Amazing 04:48, 17 May 2006 (BST)

It should be added that all of this took place in a matter of minutes, not spaced apart. I agree, I'm not looking to break the deal, however, just voicing concerns that may get construed in the future as a deal-breaker. I would rather have this voiced now that to fester underneath. --Zod Rhombus 04:53, 17 May 2006 (BST)

I'll look it to it, but I am certain that Scinfaxi doesn't have an alt.Jjames 20:44, 17 May 2006 (BST)

Total bs, as I've been zombified for quite some time now. I teased Amazing zombie, and I COULD HAVE SHOT HIM, but I didn't. So no, I'm not informing on anyone, but thanks for the mention anyways. Scinfaxi 05:26, 18 May 2006 (BST)

You weren't zombified at the time, so that point is useless. Refrain from posting here in the future. -- Amazing 02:42, 19 May 2006 (BST)

Cease-fire still stands. --Zod Rhombus 17:14, 20 May 2006 (BST)

The GANKBUS wiki page says that Amazing has been banned from the wiki, and moreover, has stopped playing. Are either of these true? I'd hate to have GANKBUS stop their attacks if it meant having Amazing leaving the wiki and the game.(Delta flyer 22:01, 15 June 2006 (BST))

It is true Amazing has been banned from the wiki, however, I'm not sure if he is still playing or not.--Zod Rhombus 03:00, 16 June 2006 (BST)

Why are people on the radio saying the ceasefire is over?

Did I miss something? Since when is the ceasefire over? I thought any concerns were supposed to be posted here. Is this just the work of griefers or are you guys backing out of our agreement?Jjames 03:23, 15 June 2006 (BST)

Uhhh, well let's see... jjames killed Amazing, jjames killed Roybot, Scinfaxi killed Toast Boy, Hrimfaxi killed Zod Rhombus. So, hmmmmm, expect a response in righteous anger. If you are not going to keep your word, at least be upfront about it. We CDF have not been the agressors and have stayed to our side of the bargain and you played us for chumps. No more. --Zod Rhombus 05:04, 15 June 2006 (BST)

I'm assuming you have evidence of this? Because if not, you have no cause to breaking the ceasefire. If you don't have screenshots proving your claims, then you can't violate the ceasefire. If you do attack us, we will keep evidence and put you on every available pk page possible. We will not stand by for slander, character assasination, and betrayal.Jjames 22:41, 15 June 2006 (BST)

Eat it, PKing bastard!!!!

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j127/bck666/amazingtowin.jpg

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j127/bck666/ceasefireviolation4gk.jpg

PLUS, this convo:

#  amaz'ing said "toast boy will die" (1 hour and 11 minutes ago)

Scinfaxi destroyed the generator. (1 hour and 9 minutes ago)
Scinfaxi destroyed the radio transmitter. (1 hour and 8 minutes ago)
Scinfaxi said "Hey Toast Boy, why you sitting in the dark here?" (1 hour and 7 minutes ago)
Scinfaxi attacked you for 4 damage. (1 hour and 7 minutes ago) ...and again. ...and again. ...and again. ...and again. ...and again. ...and again. ...and again. ...and again. ...and again.
Scinfaxi attacked you for 8 damage. (1 hour and 6 minutes ago)
Scinfaxi said "Ok, now I am going to bust you with an axe." (1 hour and 6 minutes ago)
Scinfaxi said "It shouldn't violate the cease-fire, cause I ain't shooting." (1 hour and 6 minutes ago)
Scinfaxi attacked you for 3 damage. (1 hour and 6 minutes ago)

Anything else before I hunt you down, PKer? --Zod Rhombus 03:31, 16 June 2006 (BST)

Was this before, or after the first breaking of the cease fire? –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 05:03, 16 June 2006 (BST)

That WAS the breaking of the cease-fire, you flirking idiot. --Zod Rhombus 05:37, 16 June 2006 (BST)

There were only times in the screenies, no dates. It was a more than reasonable question. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 05:45, 16 June 2006 (BST)

What possible vested interest could you have in this matter anyway? Why do you still troll here now that Amazing's gone? What have any members of CDF other than Amazing done to you? --Zod Rhombus 05:48, 16 June 2006 (BST)

I have not trolled on this talk page. Period. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 06:20, 16 June 2006 (BST)

BTW, the cease-fire went into effect long before radios were implimented. Radio chatter is seen on both screens. --Zod Rhombus 05:52, 16 June 2006 (BST)

Furthermore, there are no date listings that have ever been on the Urban Dead display screen. IE, Safari and Firefox also do not show the date in their standard configuration (if full screens are posted). SO the question has no merit. The radio chatter can pinpoint when the transgressions were made. Also, Hrimfaxi PKed me, I didn't take a screen so I didn't list it. I have two non-CDF witnesses, though. Since I initiated the 'broken cease-fire' charge, the burden of proof was on me, so I provided it. Viewing jjames' stance, its clear we did not break the cease-fire, or else he would have been accusatory. I don't know what's going on other than my men getting killed and I don't like it. --Zod Rhombus 06:11, 16 June 2006 (BST)

See my first comment; "Was this before, or after the first breaking of the cease fire?", indicating that I'm asking if this was before tensions flared again, or after it. I had the impression that the ceasefire was still in effect until I read

Did I miss something? Since when is the ceasefire over? I thought any concerns were supposed to be posted here. Is this just the work of griefers or are you guys backing out of our agreement?Jjames 03:23, 15 June 2006 (BST)

— as far as I know, that is the first indication that the ceasefire is over. Excuse me if I don't follow your group too closely. I simply saw that a section on this page said "Why are people on the radio saying the ceasefire is over?" in the recent changes log and it intrigued me. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 06:20, 16 June 2006 (BST)

Since you posted your response to Jjames after he said the ceasefire had broken, I could not be certain that the screenshots were from before it officially broke, or were revenge killings from after. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 06:23, 16 June 2006 (BST)

And again, as I stated, that was the breaking of the cease-fire, which is why I posted the screens - to prove it.--Zod Rhombus 06:26, 16 June 2006 (BST)

Not to mention the obvious 'Why are people on the radio saying the cease-fire is over?' meaning, obviously, we haven't PKed jjames, or he would have known it. So the revenge killing theory is tossed out the window. --Zod Rhombus 06:32, 16 June 2006 (BST)

Ah. I thought the "Eat it…" comment was just because you were angry with him, I didn't recognise the inference there. Apologies. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 06:47, 16 June 2006 (BST)

Those pages look edited to me. Also, they only cover a few of the claims you made. It does not seem like you have enough "evidence" to back up your claims so you rely on hearsay and forgery. It's sad really, because I always thought better of you, Zod. Perhaps your taking Amazing's fall from grace harder than I expected, but that doesn't change the fact that we have not violated the ceasefire.Jjames 18:09, 16 June 2006 (BST)

They are not edited. I wouldn't think editing a screenshot would be that easy. I have no interest in continuing a PK war. My actions speak on this. What motive would I have to continue this insane, useless, AP-wasting campaign? And as far as Amazing is concerned, that is another matter - I am looking out for my men - the CDF is my concern. I am not concerned with what you think of me. My in-game play and numerous wiki edits show a logical consistency and anyone can draw their own conclusions. I have, and will, operate with fairness, truth and logic. Regard me how you will. But, in the spirit of the cease-fire (and tiredness of this PK crap), I will give you benefit of the doubt. Cease-fire remains in effect until the next "incident." After that, all bets are off. Sound fair? --Zod Rhombus 18:24, 16 June 2006 (BST)

Sounds fair to me. The only reason I'm posting here is to keep the ceasefire going.Jjames 22:18, 16 June 2006 (BST)

You would be suprised how easy it is to manufacture one. There is almost no effort involved, particularly if you read one of the many guides on how to do this. Due to this, screenshots will never be considered concrete proof. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 20:02, 16 June 2006 (BST)

If screen grabs will never be considered concrete proof, may I ask what will? Has Kevan taken the habit of releasing server logs to the public now? Since their is no way for anyone but him to fake these? Also, If a screen is not concrete proof, why then are the bounty lists compiled using them? It seems conveniant that when something goes one way a screen cap is considered acceptable evidence, however when they go another it is declared they are by no means binding. I wonder, how exactly we are supposed to prove anything within the Urban Dead game if the latter is the case? No OS to my knowledge will show the date on its screen by default, you either have to hover over the time section or show a calendar, and even then this information is easily forgable to anyone with the right knowledge. Where will the line be drawn at what is considered a fake and what isnt? If I still have a copy of the cap I took where JJames himself killed Amazing in the PD, then I will happily post it, without cutting the uselss crap out of the image - However, it is firstly a case of IF i still have the full screen grab and also, secondly, why this is any more acceptable than a screen grab that has all but the main info window of UD cut out of it, since even if I post a full scren capture the date is still never shown in in the image at any point.

I feel it nessacery to point out the blaringly obvious here. By declaring that a screen grab is no hard basis of evidence the majority of the political side of UD is drawn into immediate question - to the point where the system is forced into a complete standstill until someone provides a method of providing evidence that connot be forged in anyway - Since this is not possible in anyway without Kevan himself allowing full access to the server logs (Preferably by including a feed direct into the Wiki) then thier is no real basis for your arguement., unless that is, you want to draw everything about the meta game side of UD into question as I have already mentioned. monkphin 04:31 17 June 2006 (BST)

I was merely pointing out that screenshots are far from concrete proof because they are in fact easy to forge. Zod erroneously said they were hard to forge, and I corrected him. Nothing more, nothing less. People lie and cheat all the time. Everything is in question; I'm cynical of damn near everything in life… however, you have to draw the line somewhere though — otherwise you will always be double-checking even the simplest of things and life would grind to a halt. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 06:22, 17 June 2006 (BST)

So why not then draw the line here? Or is it that these particular screen grabs don't suit your own situation in the current UD Political/Meta game climate? To be honest, if we did fake this the results really wouldn't suit the CDF's current best interests so we have no real reason to fake anything of this nature. Look at it logically - We have just recently come out of a massive PK war with Gankbus, The Faggots recently declared truce - Thus meaning that all CDF members, the occiasional ASSing aside can get on with the game how we want to, keeping the PD well defended, reviving survivers and trying to make the Darvell heights area little safer for all who inhabit it, without having to worry about being attacked due to being in a war, on top of the other issues we have to deal with. Why would we endanger this? It makes no logical sense whatsoever. Monkphin 12:45 17 June 2006 (BST)

After my realisation (high-lighted in yellow) I had no further problems with the screen shots. As I said (high-lighted in green), I was just correcting Zod's erroneous claim that it's difficult to forge them. The green text also gives my view on the subject; you have to start believing evidence somewhere, or else you question everything. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 18:04, 17 June 2006 (BST)

No, I know you had pretty much accepted them as proof by that point, my reply was more to back up any arguements we would have against faking these and to provide a second view on why faking them would be an immensely stupid move on our part for anyone reading this section. I admit I worded it in such a way as to aim it directly at you however and for this I apologise. I should have thought through how I was wording my response before it was posted.Monkphin 20:47 17June 2006 (BST)

I do have one thing to question off the record. Is my date and time stamp on the wiki considered valid, since I provided no screen grab with a calendar in the image to provide evidence? /Sarcasm monkphin 04:33 17 June 2006 (BST)

Because your edit is listed in the history, yes. Even though the history is purged, by verifying each step of the way that nothing was removed by someone, or added by an impersonator you can get pretty close to concrete proof. The only thing more concrete would be a video of you typing the message up on your computer. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 06:22, 17 June 2006 (BST)

Touche puddy tat. FYI however, videos arn't impossible to edit, hard yes, but not impossible - I've done enough of it using applications like Final Cut HD etc to know how to go about it. Monkphin 12:48 17 June 2006 (BST)

After being quick to correct Zod on his own erroneous statement, I really shouldn't have been so careless in reply. Regardless, I concede your point. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 18:04, 17 June 2006 (BST)

The fact of the matter is - no matter how easy it is to manipulate a screenshot, we have clearly no motive or desire to do so. We only want an end to the PK War, and our group has been pretty consistent on that stand. --Zod Rhombus 22:05, 17 June 2006 (BST)

Possible cease-fire

The leaders of CDF should please see this page. We are interested in discussing a possible cease-fire, as per Zod's proposal. Thank you. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 21:05, 16 June 2006 (BST)

...Oh, Really?

Just saw in the latest edit to your page that the CDF's been carrying out "stepped-up" offensives against us. That's news to me. For the record, ASS's provisional interest in conducting discussions with the CDF has nothing whatsoever to do with whatever attacks you imagine yourselves to be leveling against us. --Jimbo Bob ^ASS•U! 22:14, 17 June 2006 (BST)

Yeah, doesn't look like we'll come to terms anytime soon PKing scum.

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j127/bck666/ASSscreen01.jpg

--Zod Rhombus 05:47, 18 June 2006 (BST)

Hey, all we said was that we were willing to talk. Nothing about ceasing hostilities. If you wanted to call things off while we chatted, you should have said so.

Oh, and before I forget: Fuck you, too. --Jimbo Bob ^ASS•U! 05:55, 18 June 2006 (BST)

Before you learn through other sources, I felt best to come forward and do the spokesman part before the ceasefire breaks before it even had a chance to truly begin: It would seem one of members killed one of yours. I'm not sure if he was being insubordinate, or simply doesn't check his email, and while it may not count for much coming from me… please accept my apologies for his fuck up. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 01:10, 24 June 2006 (BST)

Thanks. One of ours killed one of yours, too. My apologies. It wasn't to break the cease-fire, it was the same circumstances. If we can be this civil, maybe this thing has a chance. --Zod Rhombus 05:49, 24 June 2006 (BST)

Would just like to interject and note that ASS has always appreciated and attempted to reciprocate civility. So as you say, if we can both stick to that, the odds of this working are dramatically improved. --Jimbo Bob ^ASS•U! 05:43, 25 June 2006 (BST)

Why are you still calling us enemy number #1?

I thought you said you'd be willing to continue the ceasefire as long as there were no further hostilities? Are you claiming there were? Why are you calling for war on your page and then claiming the ceasefire is still on here?Jjames 17:28, 19 June 2006 (BST)

Uhhhhhhh....what? It clearly states the cease-fire has resumed. --Zod Rhombus 22:22, 19 June 2006 (BST)

My error. I saw the box below it and must have missed the box saying the ceasefire was back on.Jjames 22:30, 20 June 2006 (BST)

Yeah, the boxes are in chronological order, in case anyone is away for a while, they won't miss anything. I plan to keep about 4 or so on there. --Zod Rhombus 19:11, 21 June 2006 (BST)

I'd like to think I'm still number one in your heart Zod. Scinfaxi 01:16, 21 June 2006 (BST)

I REALLY have been respecting the cease-fire by the way (since I've been a few suburbs away). Scinfaxi 01:17, 21 June 2006 (BST)

Number one with a bullet! HAHA! Thanks for respecting the cease-fire. We'll do our part. --Zod Rhombus 19:11, 21 June 2006 (BST)

I just got PKed by Engidu near Crossman. Tell me how to post an image here and I will. Keep your dogs on a leash Faggots!(Delta flyer 15:57, 22 June 2006 (BST))

Just upload the image to a host such as Photobucket or Imageshack, copy the url it assigns the image and paste it here. --Zod Rhombus 15:09, 23 June 2006 (BST)

Probably be better to upload it to the wiki directly, or to imageshack. Photobucket has a nasty habit of deleting it's older images without prior notice. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 05:56, 25 June 2006 (BST)

Noooooooooo I hope not. Photobucket, I'm watching you! I try not to upload too many images or large image files to the wiki, to cut down on the server load. Thw wiki crashes enough as it is, I try not to put more crap on it. I do have some images on here, though. --Zod Rhombus 20:10, 25 June 2006 (BST)

http://www.brainstock.tk stopped accepting Photobucket for this reason. More than a few of the older images in the PK reporting threads have gone dead. If you happen to upload the images as PNGs, it should dramatically reduce server load. (Due to the much smaller file size. EXCEPTION: if any of you are using the "graphical enhancement" extension for FireFox, a JPG might actually be more efficient.) –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 20:15, 25 June 2006 (BST)

CDF on DragonSpires?

I've started a CDF on DragonSpires and is was interested if any of the members of the Urban Dead CDF were interested in joining?--The General ^{T Sys U! P! F!} 13:31, 11 July 2006 (BST)

I'm there! --Zod Rhombus 06:19, 13 July 2006 (BST)

Thought you might want to take a look at this

fixed the link, though the original comment wasn't left by me--

^talk 21:35, 13 July 2006 (BST)

Any particular reason why the CDF would be interested in this, given that we have a standing ceasefire? –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 21:39, 13 July 2006 (BST)

I don't know, I just thought I'd post it here, in case A.S.S. and CDF should ever be on "less than friendly" terms again. Xigyac 21:48, 13 July 2006 (BST)

That's nice. How about you leave it up to our groups what we decide to do, and stay out of it unless we ask for your input. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 21:50, 13 July 2006 (BST)

Okay, whatever you say. If CDF wishes to remove this from their page, they can, it's their page, after all. My apologies to CDF. Xigyac 21:53, 13 July 2006 (BST)

Well, I don't like PKers, no matter what they stand for. However, looking at the current situation, ASS has been true to their word during the cease-fire and has not caused any problems for us (unlike some others who destroyed generators.) I like the template but decided to pull it off of this page for now. I do this in the spirit of the cease-fire, since it has been proceeding well. I'm sure there are other groups who would love to use it, and I'll keep it in mind if hostilities resume with ASS in the future. --Zod Rhombus 06:23, 15 July 2006 (BST)

How many weeks has it been since we destroyed any of your generators? Why are you bringing up the past when we are all currently abiding by the ceasefire? It seems like pointless baiting in my opinion.Jjames 20:48, 16 July 2006 (BST)

'Destroyed' - past tense (not 'destroying', that would be baiting and it would be untrue). I am glad everyone is abiding by the cease-fire. I thank you for your cooperation. --Zod Rhombus 06:31, 17 July 2006 (BST)

New policy

As you may or may not have noticed, the recent policy to prohibit content outside of the normal page area has passed. As such, you'll need to remove the "Amazing is watching" and "Malton's fighting elite" messages from your page. You've got a one-week grace period to do it, after which point any user can do it for you, in accordance with the new policy. Thanks! –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 06:17, 21 July 2006 (BST)

Understood. But is there any way to keep 'Malton's Fighting Elite' on the page? It is unobtrusive, under our tabs, and looks quite spiffy. I read that exceptions could possibly be allowed. I would appreciate any considerations on this. --Zod Rhombus 21:42, 21 July 2006 (BST)

Looking at the exceptions, your page doesn't look to have a "clear need to violate the policy", as the text in cuestion is there merely for aesthetic reasons. It's not a custom page title, so the second exception doesn't apply. IMHO, it will have to go, but that doesn't prohibit you to place it somewhere else as long as it doesn't violate this or any other policy. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 21:49, 21 July 2006 (BST)

I would see no problems with it, but it's really up to the other mods.--The General ^{T Sys U! P! F!} 21:52, 21 July 2006 (BST)

It's not an enormous deal to me (I've got bigger fish to fry on policies that need to be changed), but it does technically go against the letter of the law. It's sort of a gray area. I think a third mod's opinion would be useful here. Have you guys tried moving it a little bit down though, just below the horizontal line below "Crossman Defense Force"? That would be completely in line with the policy. Just a thought. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 01:48, 22 July 2006 (BST)

To be honest, it looks kinda dicky since it's not centred properly. Though that may just be my browser. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 03:55, 22 July 2006 (BST)

Special event to be held in Crossman

We'd just like to let you know the Faggots have decided to hold a white pride rally inside Crossman at a date in the near future. If you would like to participate in this event please contact us. We will not tolerate racism however, just praise for the glorious achievements of the white race (inventing medicine, property rights, the wheel, the chariot, the list goes on forever). Scinfaxi 19:08, 5 August 2006 (BST)

The Crossman Alliance does not wish to be part of this event and formally asks that you hold said event in another location. --Zod Rhombus 04:08, 7 August 2006 (BST)

I didn't say a white SUPREMACY rally. Come on Zod, how could you possibly be offended by this? Scinfaxi 05:55, 7 August 2006 (BST)

Why don't you take your one-man 'pride' show to Ridleybank? The CDF nor LCD wish to condone such an event and we implore you to hold the event elsewhere. Please refrain from littering up our group page with this topic. --Zod Rhombus 06:15, 7 August 2006 (BST)

Really Zod, since when does "pride" equate "supremacy"? Also, I haven't pitched this idea to the LCD. Frankly, they don't have the special relationship and historic ties that we have Zod. I think this event could increase the visibility of both the Crossman Defense Force and the Crossman Grove Police Department. A successful event could benefit us all! After all, the Faggots do consider themselves residents of Crossman. Scinfaxi 06:53, 7 August 2006 (BST)

Well I'm afraid we are pretty set on the location. Look at it this way, you can use it as a recruiting oppurtunity. You don't have something against white people, do you Zod?Jjames 17:40, 7 August 2006 (BST)

I have nothing against anyone. I simply think this idea is in bad taste and ask you to refrain from posting about this topic on our group page. Second warning. Third is Vandal Banning. --Zod Rhombus 04:00, 8 August 2006 (BST)

The CDF and any other respectable group wants nothing to do with your white pride parade, take it somewhere else, RRF I'm sure of it, would love to hear your rants.--1 4 of CDF 05:35, 9 August 2006 (BST)

We do understand if others wish to use our facilities to eradicate said event.

Pretty low. It's a thinly veiled way to get others to attack us to get around our ceasefire, in my opinion. It is certainly not in the spirit of the ceasefire. Regardless of our political views, don't we have the same rights of freedom of speech as everyone else? Aren't you supposed to protect people from pkers? Every pride rally I've ever seen has police protection (even those horrible racist ones) so I don't see why you would make an exception to this one and even encourage pking. I am disappointed in the CDF. I thought you took you oath seriously, I'm sad to be proven wrong.Jjames 20:30, 9 August 2006 (BST)

It's simply a statement of fact. I have no intention of protecting any participants in your event. However, if I adhere to the terms of our cease-fire, I won't engage your group in battle, either. Your event is contriversial at best and tasteless at worst for such a global game, and your infinite wisdom must have some accountability for what reaction some may feel towards your intentions. You must remember one fact:

The CDF/Faggots cease-fire is not set in stone.

Since the cease-fire, The Faggots have (in no particular order):

Destroyed our generators on at least three ocassions.
PKed CDF members under no provocation.
Spammed radios with false statements that allude to CDF supporting your event/agenda.
Repeatedly posted on this page about said event, while being warned twice to stop.
Prepared to host such an unfortunate event in our home, even though there are thousands of buildings in Malton to choose from, ignoring all historical aspects and the fact that CDF and LCD have been linked to that home since the beginning of the game. If that isn't provocation, I don't know what is.

Since the cease-fire, The CDF have:

Abided by the guideliines of the cease-fire and have not engaged the Faggots in battle.

Our agreement may need some re-evaluation. Since I am the one to make that choice, I would hope you would show me a sign of good faith to encourage me that continuation of the cease-fire is the right choice. --Zod Rhombus 06:00, 10 August 2006 (BST)

The ceasefire never included anything about radio chatter and specifically said we use the same locations. I personally condemn the radio chatter as I now know you don't support this. We consider Crossman Grove our home too, and we are trying to honor that home with this event. I don't see why you respond to mere free speech with threats of violence. The police are supposed to protect free speech. If my ideas are so offensive and terrible, you should have no problem debating them. When you meet speech with violence you automatically lose.

Here is my good faith solution. We will tell you first when we set the date on your forums, giving you time to make whatever arrangements you will. I know this leaves us open to attack, but I trust you. I hope you will act like the defenders of peace you really are.Jjames 06:44, 10 August 2006 (BST)

Anarchists, Antifas, Socialists

I just wanted to say, I as an anarchist and antifa have full respect for the CDF's position on the white pride rally. Some are saying this event is meant more for humor or to stir up trouble, but there's nothing funny about pretending to be white supremacists. It is good to see that CDF refuses to allow the event in their area, and if they need back-up, I will get in touch with all of my contacts and I know many others would as well. I have no problem being an open menace to such groups as this gang and the other fascist group on UD. Further, perhaps it might make sense to put forth an anti-hate/anti-fascist (antifa) code that all survivor groups can 'sign'/post to openly condemn any hate messages, bigotry, fascist groups, etc. I'd love to help draft such a document. --Luigi Galleani 23:00, 9 August 2006 (BST)

First off, we aren't supremecists. We don't believe in the superiority of any race, we just don't believe in the inferiority of the white race. We merely take pride in our race. Secondly, it is more facist to attack people for practicing free speech. Just because you don't agree with what I say, doesn't give you the right to attack me for it. That's unamerican. We only want to end prejudioce against white people in order to make a better place for all races to live. Except zombies.Jjames 01:48, 10 August 2006 (BST)

I'm curious. How is it you can argue freedom of speech in one sentence, but in the next call someone 'unamerican' for having a difference of opinion to yourselves? You claim that the OP was attacking you, I see no signs of attack, only the posting of an opinion that is opposed to your own, yes they offered 'backup' but in no way was it implied with violence or malice.. Back up could mean any number of things to support the CDF in our stance against this event. FYI, not being american, I don't really care if this posting seems to come across as 'unamerican' to you. Monkphin 10:23 10 August 2006 (BST)

He said he would be an open menace. He comes from the proboards forum thread calling for crashing our rally and hunting us. He is clearly threatening us as are your fellow CDFers. Hrimfaxi was pked today by one of your memebers and I for one am sick of it. I applaud anyone who would oppose my opinion with theirs. That's what it means to be an American. Instead, we are met with treaty violations, threats, murder, and arbitration. Everyone seems to think because they disagree with us, any actions they take to silence us are justified. That's my problem.Jjames 03:20, 11 August 2006 (BST)

How are we fascist? I'm not an Italian. Also, we do NOT preach hate. You do sir. You do. We love all races, but feel PROUD (damn proud) for being white. Also, we appreciate the CDF's interest in keeping this page clean of unnecessary clutter. If you want to criticize us, or act like bigots, then do it on Operation White Storm. We hope all races can join hands to celebrate the accomplishments of the white majority. Scinfaxi 05:53, 10 August 2006 (BST)

Luigi thank you for your support, as WE DO NOT SUPPORT THIS EVENT IN ANYWAY, if The Faggots want it let them do it, but UNDER NO PROTECTION FROM CDF. The faggots have caused more than enough problems, and are in no way actually abiding by the peace agreement [See above topic if in question what the faggots have done...], however the CDF end has. So in light of this, we at CDF will keep the cease-fire, but your group forever pushes for war, and why? What purpose is it for your war aginst survivors, this game is survivors against zombies, bad enough we got to deal with these spam boxes, but complications due to ignorant pker groups trying to act like white supremacists, jeez...enough is enough...grow up...nuff said. --1 4 of CDF 06:14, 10 August 2006 (BST)

Dude, how have he tried to start a war with you? I have not shot anyone in months! Well, no anyone related to you guys. I don't have a truce with no faulty eletrical equipment. That's besides the point though. We haven't shot you, and will not, unless you shoot us. You're cops, you're supposed to protect this! It's your job! Are we supposed to think you abandon your fellow man? That's messed up. I even shot a zombie in the PD. We're just hosting a peaceful event at OUR HOME. You seem to have some prejudice against being proud to be white. Why? WE INVENTED THE WHEEL!!!?!???!?!?! This is NOT a supremacy rally, how many times do we have to say that? It's a PRIDE rally. To be PROUD. Are you proud? Damn right I am. I am PROUD. I have grown up, I have grown up to love freedom of speech and America. Why aren't you defending that? Scinfaxi 06:29, 10 August 2006 (BST)

Scinfaxi you know what you are saying, and the way you have carrid it out so far is horrible, you spewed your white pride parade over the broadcast channel over 27.35 which I am told is the caiger line, then you lied and said the CDF are responsible, wow, lying over and over again isn't cool. BTW this has nothing to do with white pride, you have gone against your word and now will be dealt with. Probably the funniest part is, WE WANTED PEACE AND HARMONY --1 4 of CDF 08:22, 10 August 2006 (BST)

How does this have nothing to do with white pride? Also, I did not spam any Caiger Mall channels. I condemn that fully. No, I do not lie. It would be an insult to my people, who need strong leadership like me. I don't think the CDF want peace, they simply want to silence free speech. I will however, only retaliate against the CDFers who have killed me. I'd be wary about poking the bear, we wouldn't want a return of GANKBUS and the PK wars to start back up. Scinfaxi 16:31, 10 August 2006 (BST)

You were caught red handed, as soon as you made that impersonation, Cold Fuzion contacted, me, zod, dude half of CDF knew exactly what you did within 15 minutes of your atrocious actions, IMPERSONATING CDF WILL NOT BE ALLOWED!, IF you so much as retaliate against those parties who were involved in shutting your up and your defmations, then you can forget peace, we have had enough of your antics, I could care less at this point, apologize for your impersonations and your attempts to defame the CDF, Then and only then can we have peace. You can call upon your alts at any time, I don't care, I will not let you Defame CDF, You hosted OWS, we had objections but did not stop you. But do not blame your white supremacy on us, WE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH OWS. --1 4 of CDF 06:44, 11 August 2006 (BST)

Ceasefire over with Faggots. The Proof

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j127/bck666/ScinfaxiOWSpart1thumb.jpg

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j127/bck666/Scinfaxisbreakdownthumb.gif

--Zod Rhombus 08:06, 10 August 2006 (BST)

...Funny. Did I miss the part where the ceasefire said they had to be just sooper nice to you all the time? 'Cause I'm pretty sure it was just about the killing. --Jimbo Bob ^ASS•U! 10:36, 10 August 2006 (BST)

This is so shopped it's not even funny. I'll make a bet with you Zod. I'll be I can get you to sing anchors away (or make it look like you did) by midnight tonight. Scinfaxi 16:29, 10 August 2006 (BST)

Jesus, do we need to have the conversation about photoshopping over again? Whether you think it may be shopped or not, the only evidence that is worth anything in UD is, yep, you guessed it a screen shot. Since its the only way to provide any kind of visible proof to events within the game. Hell I say now, as I have before we stand to have a harder time by bringing back any kind of PK war than by sitting idly by so why would any of the CDF even bother to load up photoshop to fake an image like this? To spell this out to any of the slower readers out there. Darvall is currently in the midst of a zombie incursion, meaning any ammo, FAK's needles and AP are needed to go into the effort to try and defend against this. Why would anyone actively try to bring a PK war on their hands in the middle of all this, since it would mean wasting the afore mentioned resources. CDF stand to gain nothing and again lose a fair amount by being in a PK war so it is against our interests to try and fake these images. However, as has happened in the past, baiting seems to be a tactic oft used by the Faggots. Regardless of arguements to the contrary, the whole 'white pride' thing you guys seem intent on orgnising is something that many would consider to be proof of this, since many mentions of it seem to always bring mention of the CDF into things.Monkphin 18:55 10 August 2006 (BST)

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I'll play with the sizing later or just send it to anyone who wants the file. The Faggots are not baiting the Crossman Defense Force. We are holding this PRIDE event at great risk to ourselves (we've been threatened) and our families. We're almost like civil rights leaders. The Crossman Defense Force seems to have something to prove by attacking us. Darvall isn't under so great a threat that our operations (or the CDF's) have been limited. We condemn ANYONE who has been spamming the radio, as it is ruining our event as well. HOWEVER, hostility will not be tolerated at our event. It seems as though the Crossman Defense Force is not interested in a diplomatic solution, and it would be a shame if they fired the first shots (oh wait, they have). At best we would like to remain neutral towards the Crossman Defense Force, but their "shopping" is unacceptable. Scinfaxi 19:35, 10 August 2006 (BST)

By the way, what do we have to gain by fighting with the CDF? We've been dormant for like two months! Scinfaxi 19:38, 10 August 2006 (BST)

Nothing in the ceasefire covers this. I think you are trying to break the ceasefire and are even willing to use photoshop to justify it. You can't kill people for their beliefs. That's what Nazis do.Jjames 20:10, 10 August 2006 (BST)

It wasn't photoshopped, but that doesn't matter now. Remember - there was more than just CDF in that room. We are not trying to break the ceasefire because as of now there is none. You have done nothing but harrass us or try to defame us since the ceasefire and we are tired of it. We have asked nicely over and over for this crap to stop. Enjoy the hunt. --Zod Rhombus 21:39, 10 August 2006 (BST)

If you'll remember Zod the Darvall PK wars did not go so well for the CDF. Does this mean you'll be INTENTIONALLY crashing Operation White Storm? Is there No diplomatic solution at this point? I can't believe someone like you Zod, who has professed to be a Christian in my presence, would stoop to this. I can't believe that we, as white BROTHERS, cannot come to some sort of peaceful co-existence. I mean I didn't found a fascist party headquarters in Crossman did I? No! Also, feel free to move this discussion anywhere else you'd like, this page is getting cluttered. Scinfaxi 21:48, 10 August 2006 (BST)

I believe I'll keep this discussion out in the open for now, so others may witness your useless tripe. You said I take this game too seriously, I do try to protect the CDF and that to me is serious. --Zod Rhombus 21:53, 10 August 2006 (BST)

Ok I personally want to put an end to the fruitless bickering, preerably without further bloodshed. Regarding the screenshots, whether they are something the The Faggots agree with as real or not is kinda niether here nor there. If we cannot accept a screen shot as solid, reliable evidence, it calls the whole metagame community into disruption. Since you seem to be so steadfastly refusing to belive they are real and have not been treated in any way, I suggest we put this issue to those higher up. The WIki Mods and the meta gaming community as a whole, since we will need something solid to use as irrefutable evidence. Sadly doing so will essentially cause another 'WikiGate' since unless Kevan releases the server logs to the public at large, their is nothing available to anyone within the community that cannot be doctored in some way. So here it is. WHich way is this going to go, do we start another pointless PK war over a disagreement about a screenshot, or do we put this back on the table? I'm all for the latter, as are my CDF fellows. However contrary to this you (The Faggots) may think them. I am quite happy, as someone who has never really had any deep involvement in either this, or the previous PK war, other than being repeatedly shot, with no revenge PK'ing made by myself (To the best of my memory) to be the one from teh CDF camp to spearhead this, with of course the tribunals consent. However, I will be unable to do anything on the matter for several days due to other commitments, so I propose we freeze things as they are. Any PK's from either side come back to me, directly, on my user page as does any other form of retribution, be in in terms of defamtion, GK'ing or any other possible scenario either side may try to devise.

I hasten to add that my stance on the whole stuation is as follows. I agree that Baiting in any form, defamtion and any others that come to mind was never put to the treaty, hence a break of the truce over this does violate things. I however do believe the screenshots to be real and that since tihs is my belief I also feel that the treaty was not totally adequate in its inception. Ultimately I want no quarrel or part in any PK war that may arise from this situation, whicle still retaining CDF membership and followning orders issued me by the tribunal which i do not abhor, such as being involved in a PK war. hence me trying to come to an amicable agreement for both sides. I give you my word, for what its worth that this will be conducted in utmost fairness, with no advantage being given to the CDF due to me being a member. Monkphin 22:39 10 August 2006 (BST)

Hrimfaxi has already been pked by a CDFer. I had the oppurtunity to kill Zod and destroy the barricades, but instead delivered a message of piece. This despite his calls for violence. If you can put a stop to this, please do. We preach peace and brotherhood. We do not want a war, nor do we want to list the CDF on every availabe pk list, but we will not go softly into the night.Jjames 03:23, 11 August 2006 (BST)

Actually, after Scinfaxi was caught broadcasting in OUR name what was shown on the screenshots, The Tribunal made the decision to do a surgical strike on your group. In a matter of 15 minutes, we had killed Scinfaxi, Hrimfaxi and Thom Flask. I believe this proved our point. I am not opposed to your right to 'free speech' or whatever event you want to host. I AM opposed to the methods used to defame our group by Scinfaxi, which we caught in the act. I do not like to PK, I simply ask that your group stop impersonating us and telling people we support your event or any agenda of yours or are afilliated with your group in any way. If you must continue baiting, goading and impersonating/defaming/lying about the CDF, the PKings will continue - no matter what list you decide to put us on.

You constantly portray yourself as a victim in-game and on this wiki and it's wearing thin.

I am not unreasonable, but I will not stand idly by while you attack our good name. I suggest you and Monkphin work together to resolve this matter, he will be our official mediator. --Zod Rhombus 05:40, 11 August 2006 (BST)

A surgical strike? I was standing the building when you came in Zod, but most definately not broadcasting those messages. Remember, you resorted to violence. I'm a pacifist (like many civil rights leaders). You've yet to take a position on Operation White Storm and have not exhausted sources of diplomacy. It's one thing if you killed me, but you murdered an innocent man just for being a faggot. That is in clear violation of agreements that you are party to. Sounds like you're wanting another PK war. Let it be known, we did not fire the first shots nor have we retaliated for our fallen white brothers. We hope that peace and justice can be prevail like that experienced under the rule of our great white forefathers (Abraham Lincoln to name one). The ball is the your court Zod, we encourage you pass it in the spirit of co-operation and justice. Just as our great forefathers who invented the game of hockey did. Scinfaxi 05:35, 13 August 2006 (BST)

Sigh, more lies. As for taking a stance on any type of event, you obviously didn't read my comments before you deleted them here. No, instead of lying like you have been, I think I'll stick with actual events. --Zod Rhombus 06:14, 13 August 2006 (BST)

Final words

Scinfaxi, you have treated Amazing in such a manner, that had I known you...lets not go there b/c I'm pretty sure I would have a life sentence for murder with intent (Relax its a joke...). But do KNOW THIS! You are in no way a peaceful person or even a pacifist as many civil rights leaders are, you have pushed and pushed, and for some reason waiting for CDF to push back. Then you cry about it on the wiki, trying to paint the event out to make yourself the victim...not cool...Have you no backbone of your own?

Then as a pacifist would not do, you had Gankbus created to pk CDF, FOR WHAT? YOU disagreed with w/e Amazing was doing, and felt as if YOU actually had the right to ruin everyone else's day? Amazing is quite an amazing person indeed, something you, and most of the mods on the wiki could never understand, (the brightest are usually hated by those who have no wit and mind of their own). You even went as far to disguise yourself as a Caiger Mall Survivor, so that we would not attack you, when word got out that all you are doing is causing problems for CDF and pking us, SOMETHING HAD TO BE DONE. It was bad enough you had put our names on COL's pk list/resensitized list when we retaliated, but you made it hard for CDF to sustain itself. YOU WERE THE AGGRESSOR HERE, NOT US BUT YOU.

At that point we had enough of you and your antics, So we fought on, despite our falling numbers, and the ability to not stay in any one area for a while to regroup. THEN FOR SOME ODD REASON YOU DECIDED THAT you actually wanted peace, Eventually Your group The faggots had a cease-fire, Then there were talks with Gankbus and eventually even the only group that actually grew out of this debacle A.S.S. After the cease-fires were in order, You had killed toast-boy, and members of your group killed members of CDF. Were you being peaceful then?

After a ceasefire, you cease firing at the other group. maybe we were not speaking a language you could understand at the time, OH WAIT WE WERE!, but apparently you had no respect for the cease-fire, However a pacifist would. Then You started to talk about Operation White Storm on our forum page, WE WANTED NO PART OF IT AT ALL, MANY CDF MEMBER UNANIMOUSLY SAID NO TO OWS...Then you started to transmit through the radio frequency at 27.35, which BTW IS the Caiger Station. Cold fuzion IMed me at around the time he said that "Scinfaxi is trying to impersonate us, and is saying that CDF sponsored Operation White Storm. " He also said that not only is he spreading lies about who started the event, but also to have other people pk us?

At that point, YOU HAD GONE TOO FAR. I immediately talked to Zod, and reported what was going on. Essentially you were calling upon everybody to pk CDF, somehow that isn't something a pacifist would do... Once Cold Fuzion had captured screenshots, he had them passed to other CDF members as proof, at that point the surgical strike was carried out to simply demonstrate the fact that if you impersonate and the try to defame CDF. There will be consequences. Remember this though, CDF wants peace...

Do not think for a second that we will allow anybody to impersonate and defame our group, it will simply not be tolerated. We reserve the right to protect ourselves from your lies. --1 4 of CDF 09:42, 13 August 2006 (BST)

You are comical. You make me laugh with your ridiculous attempts at rhetoric. First of all, Amazing started all conflict and carried it on as much as anyone else. You guys even killed members of The Faggots not involved in PKing, thereby eradicating any claims of moral superiority. You claim we have consistently broken the ceasefire, but i don't see any complaints before this current problem for over a month or so. And the ones previous to that were isolated and contested. As for this current issue of "calling on people to pk you" I can only laugh at the irony. For one thing, it's disputed by scinfaxi and for another, you started it. Zod placed on the front page that he wanted other groups to pk us before any "impersonation" took place. So by your logic, you guys broke the ceasefire first. How many people to you have to pk before you're considered a pk group anyway? Please use more bold in your response to me, as I find it childish and hilarious.Jjames 19:53, 13 August 2006 (BST)

Rhetoric, wasn't what that was...IT WAS WHAT HAD REALLY HAPPENED. If you can't read I'll spot you for a pair of glasses dude, But don't you tell me what had happened, I witnessed it all. Your lucky I don't know you... Anyway OUR groups position is to create order and to fight zombies. WHAT THE FUCK IS YOURS? Your whole point, and the reason why you created your alt ranks in the Faggots and Gankbus was simply to PK us, THAT IN IT SELF MAKES US A CREDIBLE GROUP AND YOURS A PKER GROUP...

SO in other words your comparing a group whose mission is to make malton safer for survivors, CDF to your pathetic alt pker groups hmmmmm lemme see... You guys are sad...--1 4 of CDF 03:18, 14 August 2006 (BST)

I really don't apreciate such obvious threats like "Your[sic] lucky I don't know you" and consider them decidedly bad faith. As are unproven accusations of creating alts in The Faggots and Gankbus (I'm curios which users you're accusing me of being now. As there are currently two seperate arbitration cases concerning this specific situation, I would respectfully recomend you cease such baseless claims. I would hate to involved in three cases at once. As for your so called facts. I also witnessed events including your group calling for others to pk us just for holding our peaceful rally at crossman. A location you don't even occupy. Tell me, your old excuse for failing to protect Crossman was mean old pkers. Now that no one is pking you, how come you can't defend crossman? Why is it routinely overun by zombies? I have a personal stake in this because I am concerned for the well being of those who plan to attend our rally. So while you claim to hold the purpose of creating order and fighting zombies, but really you've just been hiding and running. Our stated purpose is to give trouble to those who bring it to us and to promote white pride, and I believe we've accomplished both. So you have failed at your stated objective where we have excelled, and you have consistently acted as much as a pk group as you claim we are in your dealings with us. Hell, Amazing was the one who created gankbus. Apparently even without him on the wiki, CDF is the most agressive organization I'm aware of. At least in my opinion.Jjames 03:47, 15 August 2006 (BST)

What a load. CDF has never been the agressor. We simply caught Scinfaxi in the act of impersonating CDF on the radio defaming us, then took appropriate measures. No more, no less. Of the thousands of buildings in Malton, you choose our home for an event that does nothing but antagonize people. Your track record for holding the ceasefire in its early days is spotty at best, with multiple generators destroyed and unprovoked PKings. You claimed 'generators were not in the agreement' yet these acts were nothing more than attempts to provoke us. Who is the agressor, now? Of course you'll want to use your increasingly-wearing-thin 'fake screenshot clause,' but the majority of people are seeing through that now. Why would we make fake screens? We would rather just forget about you guys. As far as not holding the PD, that was because of my orders. Why hold a resource building during a recent zombie incursion? Idiocy. Since the PK wars, we have rejoined with our brothers in LCD and are jointly protecting hospitals and other resources in Darvall. In this we have been very successful. The Crossman PD has always been a secondary priority, due to its high visibility. If we wanted to run and hide, we'd simply leave Darvall. No, our seasoned vets and new recruits have stayed in the area and fought and I'm proud to stand with them. Keeping Darvall safe and helping others is more important than our stated objective of holding the PD.

If you really are the pacifist you so truly want to be seen as, why don't you give up your tit-for-tat hyperbole, quit painting yourself/group as a victim on the wiki and earnestly talk with Monkphin regarding our treaty status? Not only are you trying to convince everyone on the wiki that you are the victim, but you're obviously trying to convince yourself. --Zod Rhombus 22:41, 15 August 2006 (BST)

I was a victim. You shot me down in cold blood Zod. All over standing up for white pride. Why Zod, why? This must be how a lot of civil rights leaders go down. By being shot in the back under a supposed "peace" treaty. My ancestors knew a lot about treaties, they wrote them all the time (what with running the world and all). Scinfaxi 23:29, 15 August 2006 (BST)

Actually, I didn't fire a shot. Cold Fuzion ended your life as you were frantically spamming the radio with CDF impersonation. I simply witnessed the act of silencing the CDF lies on the radio in person. Quit with the drama and make with the peace talks if that is, in fact, your goal. --Zod Rhombus 23:38, 15 August 2006 (BST)

You ordered it Zod. It's just like Malcolm X ordering Lee Harvey to shoot JFK. He didn't pull the trigger, but he's just as guilty. Anywho, the event went as planned despite the violence. Also, we condemn the horrific radio spam which took place. It was obviously an attempt to defame one or both of us. Scinfaxi 03:15, 16 August 2006 (BST)

Scinfaxi caught, part one. Part 1

Scinfaxi caught, part two. Part 2

Peace talks MK2

OK, as I have stated I will not be around for a few days due to other obligations. As a sign of goodwill from both sides, if The Faggots as a group are willing to go ahead with these talks for a second time. I propose a temporary ceasefire, based on the previous agreement we had until such a time as I have time to sit down and start discussing this in the next week. Any breaches of the afore mentioned agreement need to be posted on my user talk page. Also, anything that either side wishes to raise as an issue. For example, if members either side feel actions have been taken to cause damage to their respective group by the other. Along with this any other actions by either party that are felt to be in some way against them by the other group also need to be posted. Screenshots will be taken as solid evidence, regardless of protest by either side (Yes I am fully aware that this is wide open to abuse by all concerned.) Do we have an agreeance? Zod can we have an archive done of some of the talk page? It is starting to look pretty heavily cluttered right now. --Monkphin 14:30 10 August 2006 (BST)

I think a ceasefire is fine, since I still believe the first one is in effect. Any reason why your frontpage still calls for killing us? --Jjames 22:34, 12 August 2006 (BST)

In this case, can we consider redrafting it? I'm personally not happy with a few things that have since occured, whether fabricated or not and belive that for the future benefit of both groups we need to amend the treaty to suit all involved. As for the front page, I personally do not like to modify the content contained on there, for the simple fact that I do not like to step on the toes of others. At some point this coming week, when I have more free time and have recouperated a little after a weekend of none stop work, I'll post a proposal for a redraft, that I hope all involved will find to be agreeable. That is of course, if you accept my request to redraft the agreement? --Monkphin 16:56 13August 2006 (BST)

I'm just worried more CDF members will break the temp ceasefire if they don't read the talk page. It's not the best way to maintain peace. --Jjames 19:45, 13 August 2006 (BST)

You're right, but we also have forums, as you may be aware, that more of the team visit. Also a few of the others use IM conversations. I've made sure that the information here is also kept current on the CDF forums too. However, not being huge on IM'ing people I have to leave that side of things to the others. I assure you though, that no one in the CDF wants a PK war of any kind right now, so the information is being relayed to those who need to know and don't acces the usual places haunted by the mainstay of the group. Also, as to the potential for breaks, its why I've requested all issues get reported directly back to me, from both sides. --Monkphin (forgot to add my id stamp) uhh this was initially some time ago today, my adding of my stamp was done 23:07 - 13 August 2006 (BST)

Update, please. --Zod Rhombus 03:15, 21 August 2006 (BST)

Well, I'm still waiting for you guys to post your terms. I was fine with the last ones as i don't feel the need to police niceness in a ceasefire, but I'm willing to hear your demands. Post them and we'll go from there. --Jjames 18:26, 21 August 2006 (BST)

Talks seem to have ground to a halt. What specific assurances would you need to move forward?Jjames 04:22, 30 August 2006 (BST)

I said I wouldn't be a part of these talks, yet here I am. Our terms are simple.

Neither group is to PK members of the other group, nor destroy generators, radio transmitters or any other resources belonging to said group.
No members shall impersonate members of the other group on the radio or as grafitti or claim to be a part of the group.
No group members shall broadcast misinformation about the other group, or 'act in their interest' on the radio nor as grafitti.
No group members shall spam wiki pages or post misinformation about the other in public pages.
The Faggots will give up the claim of Crossman Grove PD as home.
The Faggots will operate in an area outside of Crossman Defense Force normal operations area. The operational area is described as northern Darvall Heights.
In return, the CDF will not target, defame, tag against or focus on The Faggots in-game. --Zod Rhombus 03:21, 31 August 2006 (BST)

Okay
Okay
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Nope
Nope. We don't feel it's fair to limit our moblilty in one of the safest areas in Malton.
You are asking quite a bit for only agreeing to not attack us or spread misinformation. I feel you should drop any territorial claims or at least give us something in return. Let's keep things in the spirit of a negotiation and not one party dictating terms to the other.Jjames 04:35, 31 August 2006 (BST)

You asked for my terms and I gave them. Our group has claimed Crossman since the beginning of the game. Your group being relatively new is free to choose from thousands of buildings to call home. These terms are not unreasonable. If these are not agreeable, we have nothing more to discuss. --Zod Rhombus 06:02, 31 August 2006 (BST)

How is it not unreasonable to claim territory of entire blocks without offering anything in return. Why isn't monkphin involved in this? I thought he was handling the ceasefire. This is no dictated peace. You didn't win a war. We are offering each other the same thing. How about we just keep the agreed upon terms and we agree to hold any events outside of Crossman PD?Jjames 17:26, 31 August 2006 (BST)

I must say, I don't see why the The Faggots can't use Crossman Grove PD as I base.--The General ^{T Sys U! P! F!} 20:19, 31 August 2006 (BST)

I don't recall asking for outside opinions. This has been a group we have had trouble with even with a cease-fire in place. I need major assurances, given their past actions. --Zod Rhombus 03:35, 1 September 2006 (BST)

Actually, you should check the forum rights. It's not an outside opinion.--The General ^{T Sys U! P! F!} 10:57, 1 September 2006 (BST)

You called off our last ceasefire because you felt we violated terms not in place in the original ceasefire, you don't see me asking for "assurances". Once again, why isn't monkphin handling these negotiations? He never intimated that there would be any territorial claims. I just want to see a fair agreement that isn't punitive to either side. Why are we the only ones offering comprimise?Jjames 04:12, 1 September 2006 (BST)

No deal, we're not leaving Darvall and the PD unless we're riding out in a truck filled with money and pale thick whores (that's how I like them). No bullet/stab wounds either. If you can provide that, or something of equal value, then we'll have a deal. Scinfaxi 09:01, 1 September 2006 (BST)

It appears we are at an impasse. You say you offer compromise? And what compromise is that? I have seen nothing but 'we're not gonna do this'. Is there anything more you want to offer? --Zod Rhombus 07:25, 2 September 2006 (BST)

We have agreed not to kill you, not to defame you in game or on wiki, not to target your generators or radios, and not to hold events at Crossman. That seems like suficient comprimise to me. You still haven't answered why monkphin isn't handling the negotiations as planned. He never called for territory, why not just agree to what we can agree to and end the fueding?Jjames 07:40, 2 September 2006 (BST)

We are the Crossman Defense Force, we may not always be able to defend the PD but we make up for it by defending much much more than that. Defending Northtern darvall, aiding our allies and friends and genrally protecting as much as we possibly can. the Zombie threat has gone up, and the survivors game is getting much harder. Zombies only have to do is kill us, we have to defend, thus we are always playing this running game of defending areas that for the msot part will and do fall at times. This is what we do, and the only fucking group other than ours that actually has a claim to OUR PD is LCD, so in other words, fuck off...I do not give a fuck, what your group thinks, always crying, always trying to paint yourselves as "the victim", too bad the truth isn't something you guys are willing to face, oh wait b/c that would mean admitting everything you have done, and well you wouldn't like to do that now would you? As for The General, dude I respect you and all, but seriously this is a CDF matter, leave us be...--1 4 of CDF 09:28, 2 September 2006 (BST)

I am trying to sort out a reasonable solution to the conflict.--The General ^{T Sys U! P! F!} 11:01, 2 September 2006 (BST)

How does insulting us further negotiations? Please stay out of this as you are only causing drama.Jjames 17:16, 2 September 2006 (BST)

Real nice guys. Real nice.

Why you gotta kill Hrimfaxi? He was just visiting children in the hospital. Why you so cold like that? I thought we was trying to keep things cool, but i guess you can't keep your dogs on a leash.Jjames 09:01, 10 September 2006 (BST)

Also, kamwo manwhore attacked me for no reason and couldn't even finish the job. What is wrong with you guys? You trying to start your own pk group or something?Jjames 18:35, 12 September 2006 (BST)

Since we were unable to hammer out an agreement, it would seem hostilities between our groups are not over. I would suggest moving to another area or bringing something constructive to the table. Since you guys are still considered hostile, we will take defensive measures if felt threatened by your close proximity. We are not actively searching for you. --Zod Rhombus 03:31, 14 September 2006 (BST)

I was not in the disputed area. And monkphin said hostilities would cease until a new ceasefire could be hammered out. He also said he would be the one negotiating. Was he lying, or are you? We are not hostile to you, but that can change real quick.Jjames 08:45, 14 September 2006 (BST)

NO MORE JJAMESFAXI POSTS!!! ALL WILL BE STRICKEN

Oh SHnapS, thank you for telling JJAMESFAXI to go away, why don't you cry to someone who honestly gives a fuck (lol watch how JJAMESFAXI crys to the mods, My colors don't run you pussy, racist, pker filth...--1 4 of CDF 06:33, 23 September 2006 (BST)

I am leaving the above comment up till the arb case is settled. No Scinfaxi or Jjames (or alts) posts allowed, no exceptions. --Zod Rhombus 02:01, 26 September 2006 (BST)