Latest revision as of 17:58, 26 June 2024

Obtaining Historical Status

A policy is in place which outlines the method to attain historical status.

Groups must no longer actively contribute to the game.
A nomination should be made on Category talk:Historical Groups.
Voting will last for exactly two weeks following nomination. To be successful, a group must be approved by 2/3 of eligible voters to pass. A minimum of 15 votes must be cast for the vote to be valid. The only allowable votes are Yes and No.
Groups that pass will be added to the category as described below.
Groups must allow a week to pass between nominations.
Groups must allow 4 months in between when the group disbands and when they can be nominated for Historical Status. (Note: Only for Malton-based groups)

Nominations for Historical Status

When nominating a group, please add a note to Template:Wiki News and add {{HistoricalGroupVoting}} to the top of the group's page. Also, please add {{HistoricalVotingRules}} under the group's application for historical status.

New Nominations

Place new nominations for voting here.

Recent Nominations

Militant Order of Barhah

The MOB defined Barhah Fundamentalism for Malton, putting into sharp focus the philosophy of always-dead, migratory, horde-focused zombies. While the MOB reigned, zombies and death cultists everywhere had to reconsider or sheepishly justify their necro-religious beliefs. The MOB maintained multiple effective strike teams for years. For years, zombie activity in Malton consisted primarily of a deep red Ridleybank and an uncontrollable wrecking ball in the form of the MOB. It was like a nonstop, all-seasons Mall Tour or Big Bash. Survivors could not stop it, so they resorted to fleeing in terror and picking up the mess left behind. Jorm, The Prophet of Barhah, is personally notable for:

Being Mayor of Malton from 2010 to today, following the Misanthropy/Revenant administration fulfilling their campaign promise to betray the electorate by handing the keys to the city to Jorm.
Hosting the IRC server that was a longtime favorite for UD live chat.
Hosting barhah.com, the forum that was a longtime favorite for zombie groups.
Making Nexus War, which was more than a little popular. The spiritual successor, Nexus Clash, is still entirely alive.
Working for WikiMedia, where you may have seen him asking for donations.

The Prophet of Barhah himself once made the case for his horde in an arbitration case over the MOB redirect. In his trademarked steel wool and whiskey style, he addressed another group that hoped to be known as "the mob":

Your group consists of less than 20 and has done *nothing*; my group is over 70 and has *smashed suburbs*. We are the MOB; you are the "Malton Mob."

Hagnat further noted:

They are larger. They are famous. They have Zombies. They have Jorm.

I submit the MOB for your consideration. --VVV^RPMBG 07:29, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes

Yes - Author vote. --VVV^RPMBG 07:29, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
Yes - Easily one of the most notable zombie groups to have ever shambled the streets of Malton. —Aich on— 21:00, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
Yes - One of the most significant zombie groups in the game's history. -- Spiderzed ▋ 04:37, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
Yes Jorm Made me do it. Ross less ne s s^{Want a Location Image?} 18:36, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
Yes - I have played Urban Dead for almost 20 years, and have been part of MOB for almost as long (19 years, give or take). No zombie group has been as impactful as MOB, and perhaps no zombie group ever will. Liche (talk) 19:44, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
I guess so. ^ Has this game been around for nearly 20 years? Ah, well. That can't be. (Really?) -- AHLG T G THE END IS NIGH! 04:45, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Yes DANCEDANCEREVO LUTION 07:37, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
yes - i was told there would be chum. hajen (talk) 15:39, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Yes Clayton Carmine (talk) 15:30, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

No

With voting finished, MOB hasn't passed the minimum 15 votes to be made historical. That said, you can change historical voting policy (which doesn't have minimum vote requirements). -- AHLG T G THE END IS NIGH! 17:57, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

East Becktown Defenders

Voting Rules

Votes must be numbered, signed, and timestamped. They can take one of two forms:

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Votes that do not conform to the above will be struck by a moderator.

The only valid voting sections are Yes and No. If you wish to abstain from voting, do not vote.

The East Becktown Defenders officially disbanded on May 1st, 2020, which makes them eligible for Historical Group status. The EBD had been active since 2016, and included dozens of members, including both veterans and entire newbies. They maintained good relationships with survivor groups (including, but not limited to the DHPD, SoC, Knights Templar and the DEM) and zombie groups (specifically the Daubeney Resident Zombies next door, and of course our favourite frenemies in the RRF). Aside from regular survivor-style operations, they also brought a fun, no-pressure approach to the game, along with wiki-tools (like the automatic SitRep on their group page) and weird events (like the EBD StatParty). The group decided not to fade away like many others, but officially disbanded after exactly 4 years of activity.

Yes

Yes - PB&J 13:29, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
Yes - Clayton Carmine (talk) 13:38, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
Yes - MicoolTNT 13:57, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
Yes - stelar ^{Talk|MCM|EBD|Scourge} 14:00, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
Yes - Roddy Winters (talk) 17:27, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
Yes - Matt Langley (talk) 18:13, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
Yes - Tarkenton (talk) 20:33, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
Yes - Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 23:17, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
Yes - Simcoe 07:00, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
Yes - Yo Ris (talk) 07:33, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
Yes - RaiNo 10:14, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
Yes - Frank Burn (talk) 13:46, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
Yes - DoXBr (talk) 14:19, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
Yes - Richardskull16 (talk) 09:25, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
Yes - The Malton Globetrotters turbodunk the ayes! --【ⅎooɹd ǝʌɐɥ ᴉ sʇɐoƃ sʍoʅʚ ⅎǝᴉɹɔuoɯ uǝɹɐʞ】 ☉ ☉ |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 00:58, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
Yes - Benigno ^{SSZ RCC} 16:57, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

No

I was going to go with “Who?” but apparently we’ve spoken. As they did not fix their page in the entire 4 years they spent as a group, I cannot in good conscience vote for this group to be historical. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 16:13, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
From what I see is a run-of-the-mill survivor group engaged in standard survivor play of maintaining a particular area. It was not innovative (like MCM or 404 were), it didn't have a distinctive style (like for example B.A.R. or ULC would have), nor was it involved in significant events (like Escape or c4NT were). -- Spiderzed ▋ 20:34, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
As Spiderzed. Groups that had some members, did some things, and had a central pitch of being "well liked" didn't classify as historical when Urban Dead was bigger. I don't believe that should change for groups that existed during UD's long tail. DANCEDANCEREVO LUTION 05:55, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
As Spiderzed. --Papa John Schnatter (talk) 17:25, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

With voting well and truly finished, the East Becktown Defenders have become a historical group. DANCEDANCEREVO LUTION 07:53, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Previous Discussions

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General Discussion

	Things Best Forgotten
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Voting Succeeded

	Things Best Forgotten
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Voting Failed

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 #Groups must no longer actively contribute to the game.
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-#Within two weeks of a nomination, the group must be approved by 2/3 of the voters, with a minimum of 15 voters for a nomination to pass. The only allowable votes are '''Yes''' and '''No'''.
+#Voting will last for exactly two weeks following nomination. To be successful, a group must be approved by 2/3 of eligible voters to pass. A minimum of 15 votes must be cast for the vote to be valid. The only allowable votes are '''Yes''' and '''No'''.
 #Groups that pass will be added to the category as described below.
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+=Recent Nominations=
-===[[Drunken Dead]]===
+==[[Militant Order of Barhah]]==
+The MOB defined [[Barhah#Controversy and Fundamentalis|Barhah Fundamentalism]] for Malton, putting into sharp focus the philosophy of always-dead, migratory, horde-focused zombies. While the MOB reigned, zombies and death cultists everywhere had to reconsider or sheepishly justify their necro-religious beliefs. The MOB maintained multiple effective strike teams for years. For years, zombie activity in Malton consisted primarily of a deep red Ridleybank and an uncontrollable wrecking ball in the form of the MOB. It was like a nonstop, all-seasons Mall Tour or Big Bash. Survivors could not stop it, so they resorted to [[River Tactics|fleeing in terror and picking up the mess left behind]]. Jorm, The Prophet of Barhah, is personally notable for:
+*Being [[Mayor]] of Malton from 2010 to today, following the Misanthropy/Revenant administration fulfilling their campaign promise to betray the electorate by handing the keys to the city to Jorm.
+*Hosting the IRC server that was a longtime favorite for UD live chat.
+*Hosting [[Unofficial UD Forums#Barhah.com|barhah.com]], the forum that was a longtime favorite for zombie groups.
+*Making [[:Category:Related Games#Inspired by Urban Dead|Nexus War]], which was more than a little popular. The spiritual successor, [https://www.nexusclash.com/ Nexus Clash], is still entirely alive.
+*[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jorm Working for WikiMedia], where you may have seen him asking for donations.
+The Prophet of Barhah himself once made the case for his horde in [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Militant Order of Barhah vs Malton Mob|an arbitration case over the MOB redirect]]. In his trademarked steel wool and whiskey style, he addressed another group that hoped to be known as "the mob":
+ Your group consists of less than 20 and has done *nothing*; my group is over 70 and has *smashed suburbs*. We are the MOB; you are the "Malton Mob."
+Hagnat further noted:
+ They are larger. They are famous. They have Zombies. They have Jorm.
+I submit the MOB for your consideration. --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 07:29, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
-Founded in October 2005, the Drunken Dead were one of the best known zombie groups in northeast Malton. As with the FotFL, they primarily inhabited Pescodside, but were known to spread havoc in the surrounding suburbs. Known for their "drinking binges" (of death) the DD were the deadliest threat the suburb knew and proved a challenge to local survivors. It was only after the zombie group's number dwindled and the group itself faded from UD (as it was never formally disbanded) that survivors managed to regain control of Pescodside.
+=== Yes ===
+# '''Yes''' - Author vote. --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 07:29, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
+# '''Yes''' - Easily one of the most notable zombie groups to have ever shambled the streets of Malton. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 21:00, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
+# '''Yes''' - One of the most significant zombie groups in the game's history. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">▋</span>]]</span>''' 04:37, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
+# '''Yes''' Jorm Made me do it. [[User:Rosslessness|<span style="color: MidnightBlue ">R</span><span style="color: Navy">o</span><span style="color: DarkBlue">s</span><span style="color: MediumBlue">s</span><span style="color: RoyalBlue"></span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness|<span style="color: RoyalBlue">l</span><span style="color: CornflowerBlue">e</span><span style="color: SkyBlue">s</span><span style="color: LightskyBlue">s</span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness/Quiz|<span style="color: LightBlue">n</span><span style="color: PowderBlue">e</span>]][[Monroeville Many|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]][[The Great Suburb Group Massacre|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]]<sup>[[Location Page Building Toolkit|<span style="color: DarkRed">Want a Location Image?]] </span> </sup>  18:36, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
+# '''Yes''' - I have played Urban Dead for almost 20 years, and have been part of MOB for almost as long (19 years, give or take).  No zombie group has been as impactful as MOB, and perhaps no zombie group ever will. [[User:Liche|Liche]] ([[User talk:Liche|talk]]) 19:44, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
+#'''I guess so.''' ^ Has this game been around for nearly 20 years? Ah, well. That can't be. (Really?) --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 04:45, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
+#'''Yes''' {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig5}} 07:37, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
+#'''yes''' - i was told there would be chum. [[User:Hajen|hajen]] ([[User talk:Hajen|talk]]) 15:39, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
+#'''Yes''' [[User:Clayton Carmine|Clayton Carmine]] ([[User talk:Clayton Carmine|talk]]) 15:30, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
-While my stance has always been pro-survivor, I would be remitant in my duties to the UD Wiki if I did not support showcasing the Drunken Dead and their important role in Pescodside's local history, if not that of northeast Malton.
+=== No ===
-# '''Yes''' - They were a strong zombie group that terrorized northeast Malton. They deserve to be remembered for their efforts. --[[User:Mobius187|Mobius]] 14:11, 20 August 2008 (BST)
+With voting finished, MOB hasn't passed the minimum 15 votes to be made historical. That said, you can [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion|change historical voting policy]] (which doesn't have minimum vote requirements). --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 17:57, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
-#'''No -''' Never heard of them. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 14:17, 20 August 2008 (BST)
-#:Of course youve never heard of them, they disbanded more than a year before you joined the community. As for the group itself. I formed and led them for a while, but i was skating on the edge of a burnout at the time. Ive never sought historical status for them, and i dont particularly care now (Hence my not voting). I might try and get in touch with Edith, whom i left in charge when i left and tell her about this, but otherwise i dont really care. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 14:39, 20 August 2008 (BST)
-#'''Yes''' - I have fleeting memories of them when I first joined Urban Dead, strange because they were apparently inactive by then. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 00:04, 21 August 2008 (BST)
-#'''Fuck Yea''' - --[[User:Bullgod|Bullgod]] 06:49, 21 August 2008 (BST)
-#'''No''', because i find it hard to believe there were ever zombies in [[Suburb Nicknames|Pesky]] and because democracy shouldn't work.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:50, 21 August 2008 (BST)
-#'''Yes''' - for one thing, ''excactly because'' it's so hard to believe now that zombies once terrorised the NE, their example and their inspiration ought to enshrined and immortalised. and, they did a pub crawl back in 2005. and... just take a look at the page... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 08:01, 21 August 2008 (BST)
-#'''Yes''' - If history doesn't preserve them, what will? --[[User:Insomniac By Choice|Insomniac By Choice]] 11:07, 21 August 2008 (BST)
-==Previous Discussions==
+==[[East Becktown Defenders]]==
-There are 3 archives for this page.
+{{HistoricalVotingRules}}
-===General Discussion===
+The East Becktown Defenders officially disbanded on [[EBD/Epitaph|May 1st, 2020]], which makes them eligible for Historical Group status.
-{{ArchiveNoticeSmall|ArchiveName=Archive}}
+The EBD had been active since 2016, and included dozens of members, including both veterans and entire newbies. They maintained good relationships with survivor groups (including, but not limited to the DHPD, SoC, Knights Templar and the DEM) and zombie groups (specifically the Daubeney Resident Zombies next door, and of course our favourite frenemies in the RRF).
-===Voting Succeeded===
+Aside from regular survivor-style operations, they also brought a fun, no-pressure approach to the game, along with [[East_Becktown_Defenders/Tools|wiki-tools]] (like the automatic SitRep on their group page) and weird events (like the [[EBD_Stat_Party_2016|EBD StatParty]]).
-{{ArchiveNoticeSmall|ArchiveName=SucceededArchive}}
+The group decided not to fade away like many others, but officially disbanded after exactly 4 years of activity.
-===Voting Failed===
-{{ArchiveNoticeSmall|ArchiveName=FailedArchive}}
-==Historical Groups Use Discussion==
+=== Yes ===
-This is a heading to which discussion of the use and catagorization of Historical Groups can be put.
-===[[Malton DEA]]===
+# '''Yes''' -  {{User:Peralta/Signature}} 13:29, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
-This group is listed as historical yet one of the Adeptus Sororitas sited several members including this [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=57172 one] sporting the Malton DEA as their group.  I believe it should be removed from classification as a historical group.--{{User: Garviel Loken/Sig}}22:09, 26 April 2008 (BST)
+# '''Yes''' - [[User:Clayton Carmine|Clayton Carmine]] ([[User talk:Clayton Carmine|talk]]) 13:38, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
-:Those are people who were in the group that still play with the group tag. The group itself is dead, long dead. --[[User:Saromu|Canderous Ordo]] <sup>[[ The Ridleybank Resistance Front|RRF]] [[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [[Militant Order of Barhah|MOB]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 22:22, 26 April 2008 (BST)
+# '''Yes''' - [[User:MicoolTNT|MicoolTNT]] 13:57, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
-::So how does that make the group dead if there are still people who claim to be part of it?  Isn't there a similar debate underway with the Blackmore Bastard Brigade? --{{User: Garviel Loken/Sig}}00:03, 27 April 2008 (BST)
+# '''Yes''' - {{User:Stelar/sig}} 14:00, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
-:::The Malton DEA is dead.  It has been for a long, long time.  If someone is using that tag, it isn't us.--[[User:Jorm|Jorm]] 01:09, 27 April 2008 (BST)
+# '''Yes''' - [[User:Roddy Winters|Roddy Winters]] ([[User talk:Roddy Winters|talk]]) 17:27, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
+# '''Yes''' - [[User:Matt Langley|Matt Langley]] ([[User talk:Matt Langley|talk]]) 18:13, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
+# '''Yes''' - [[User:Tarkenton|Tarkenton]] ([[User talk:Tarkenton|talk]]) 20:33, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
+# '''Yes''' - {{User:Bob Moncrief/Sig}} 23:17, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
+# '''Yes''' - [[User:Simcoe|Simcoe]] 07:00, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
+# '''Yes''' - [[User:Yo Ris|Yo Ris]] ([[User talk:Yo Ris|talk]]) 07:33, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
+# '''Yes''' - [[User:RaiNo|RaiNo]] 10:14, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
+# '''Yes''' - [[User:Frank Burn|Frank Burn]] ([[User talk:Frank Burn|talk]]) 13:46, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
+# '''Yes''' -  [[User:DoXBr|DoXBr]] ([[User talk:DoXBr|talk]]) 14:19, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
+# '''Yes''' - [[User:Richardskull16|Richardskull16]] ([[User talk:Richardskull16|talk]]) 09:25, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
+# '''Yes''' - The Malton Globetrotters turbodunk the ayes! --{{User:Dragonshardz/dragonshardz}} {{Goonsig|Dragonshardz}} 00:58, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
+# '''Yes''' - {{User:Benigno/sig}} 16:57, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
-===Problems?===
+=== No ===
-On the [[Category talk:Historical Groups/SucceededArchive|Historical group voting archives]], there are 22 successful groups, yet there is 51 historical groups in this category. Is there something I'm missing? --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 21:56, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
+#I was going to go with “Who?” but [[Talk:East_Becktown_Defenders#Your_page|apparently we’ve spoken]]. As they did not fix their page in the entire 4 years they spent as a group, I cannot in good conscience vote for this group to be historical. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} {{Goonsig|Revenant}} 16:13, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
-:I'm going to start unprotecting and removing "historical status" to 29 groups if nobody answers.--{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 22:45, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
+#From what I see is a run-of-the-mill survivor group engaged in standard survivor play of maintaining a particular area. It was not innovative (like MCM or 404 were), it didn't have a distinctive style (like for example B.A.R. or ULC would have), nor was it involved in significant events (like Escape or c4NT were). --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">▋</span>]]</span>''' 20:34, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
-::Doodoo. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 03:08, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
+#As Spiderzed. Groups that had some members, did some things, and had a central pitch of being "well liked" didn't classify as historical when Urban Dead was bigger. I don't believe that should change for groups that existed during UD's [[Survivor-Zombie_Imbalance#7|long tail]]. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig5}} 05:55, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
-::I wouldn't be surprised that people are adding themselves, a few groups have done it in the past.--<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 06:49, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
+#As Spiderzed. --[[User:Papa John Schnatter|Papa John Schnatter]] ([[User talk:Papa John Schnatter|talk]]) 17:25, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
-:::::There were a few added before historical voting was implimented. These are now so old very few people remain who would know of them. Kill everything that was added without vote after voting was implimented, but otherwise, leave them alone. That said,: This is more popular groups, rather than historical. Ah, the failings of democracy. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 06:58, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
-::::::When was voting implemented? I need a cutoff date. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 21:42, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
-:::::::I'll try the earliest timestamp on [[Category talk:Historical Groups/SucceededArchive|Historical group voting archives]] and I'll go from there. (It seems like Feb 20ish 07 is the date, no?)--{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 22:51, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
-::::::::Pretty sure there was a revoting thing anyway, so groups that were originally listed, back when Historical Groups was being used in place of [[:Category:Defunct Groups]], actually did/do have to requalify for historical. Then again there are some common sense ones that should have it kept and don't need voting.--<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 00:57, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
-:::::::::I removed these [[FEBU]], [[The Malton Mafia]], [[101st Airborne Unit]], [[South Blythville Militia]]. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 01:00, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
-I've removed a few groups from historical status, from originally 52 to 48. This one group [[The Apocalypse Horde]] I'm not sure about. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 23:25, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
-:I've not protected that page for that reason, but I can't think of why they wouldn't be or shouldn't be.--<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 06:00, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
-===[[Blackmore Bastard Brigade]]===
+With voting well and truly finished, the East Becktown Defenders have become a '''historical group'''. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig5}} 07:53, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
-According to the [http://www.urbandead.com/stats.html stats page], they still have 27 active members.  They've also been actively holding [[The Blackmore Building]] off and on for a few months now.  I think their historical status should be removed and the leaders of the group update their wiki. --{{User:Benigno/sig}} 21:43, 23 July 2007 (BST)
-: Agreed, a active group is hardly considered "historical" me thinks. --[[User:Gus Thomas|Gus Thomas]] 22:35, 24 May 2008 (BST)
-===Historical Group Is Back===
+=Previous Discussions=
-The [[Ministry of the Dead]] -- which in character I will deny ever existed -- has reformed.  Does one create a new wiki page like "Ministry of the Dead (Part II)" or does historical status get revoked when such a thing happens? -- [[User:Murray Jay Suskind|Murray Jay Suskind]] 16:26, 25 June 2007 (BST)
+There are 3 archives for this page.
-:Anyone have any advice on this? -- [[User:Murray Jay Suskind|Murray Jay Suskind]] 20:00, 26 June 2007 (BST)
+==General Discussion==
-::Feth if I know.  I think a new wiki page would be the best option though, with a disambiguation link thingy at the top.--{{User:Lachryma/sig}} 20:05, 26 June 2007 (BST)
+{{ArchiveNoticeSmall|ArchiveName=Archive}}
-:::a disambiguation page is the solution for your problem. At the top of the historical group, we add a <nowiki>{{redirec|Ministry of the Dead}}</nowiki> template, and this new group then uses [[Ministry of the Dead (2007)]] or [[Ministry of the Dead (new)]] or [[Ministry of the Dead (reloaded)]]... you get it... it will be on another page. --{{User:Hagnat/sig}} 20:31, 26 June 2007 (BST)
+==Voting Succeeded==
+{{ArchiveNoticeSmall|ArchiveName=SucceededArchive}}
-===Paradox also back===
+==Voting Failed==
-[[Paradox]] is also back. Anyone who's seen the Stats page knows that. There should really be a clear-cut procedure for un-historifying groups. --[[User:Anonymous4401|Anonymous4401]] 18:40, 22 July 2007 (BST)
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-:Yep. Doesn't seem like you need a process so much as an attentive wiki mod.--[[User:Insomniac By Choice|Insomniac By Choice]] 06:43, 23 July 2007 (BST)
-::Well the thing is, unless there is a clear edit history between the members who are returning, and the old wiki page, I don't think the old page should be re-opened for editing. Otherwise some whole new group of players can come in and take over a historical group page. I think that Hagnats idea is best, a similarly named, but new group page that can be linked in a disamig type of way from the original page... how about [[The Paradox]] or similar? -- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User_talk:boxy|T]] [[Location Nuts|Nuts]] [http://iwitness.urbandead.info/locationBlock/location.php block it!] [[Dead Animals/Redux|DA]]</sup> 12:48, 28 July 2007 (BST)
-:::Fine. We will make a new wiki page, pending being allowed to take back our old one. I understand that you must be convinced that we are in fact the original Paradox for this to happen. There is a thread in the public area of our forum that I think you should look at: [http://z13.invisionfree.com/Paradox_Central/index.php?showtopic=1306 here] The Gonzo (member no.1) and Underhand (member no.2), who is me (for proof that I am me, see [http://z13.invisionfree.com/Paradox_Central/index.php?showtopic=1345 this thread]), among others, insist that Paradox is back again. Note that the forum is the same one that is linked to on the locked [[Paradox]] page, and note also that the two mentioned users registered there in August 2005, as did two other users in the first thread linked to. Those of our members who used to edit our wiki page no longer play Urban Dead. Just in case it's necessary, I also ask you to look at the game's [http://urbandead.com/stats.html stats page], which at time of writing says that Paradox has 110 known members. [[User:Underhand|Underhand]] 11:20, 29 July 2007 (BST)
-::::If you hold off for a little while in creating a new page, I'll have a look at your links, and fix this up now <small>The preceding signed comment was added by [[User:Boxy|boxy]] ([[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Boxy|contribs]]) at 11:32 Sunday July 2007 (BST)</small>
-OK, I've moved the original, historical group page to [[Paradox (2006)]], it will remain in the historical category (pending any decision about this issue), and you are now free to edit the [[Paradox]] as normal. Hope this suits everyone <small>The preceding signed comment was added by [[User:Boxy|boxy]] ([[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Boxy|contribs]]) at 11:47 Sunday July 2007 (BST)</small>
-:Thank you very much. I'm in the middle of creating a new page right now, but I'll just paste the code I've got so far into the Paradox page. I appreciate the welcome you put on my talk page, by the way. [[User:Underhand|Underhand]] 12:03, 29 July 2007 (BST)
-===Which===
-The rules on this talk page say "...with a minimum of '''10 yes votes''' for a nomination to pass"
-but the rules on the article page say "...with a minimum of '''15 voters''' for a nomination to pass"  (emphasis added). Does anyone mind if I change the version on the main page to be the same as the (sensible) version on the talk page? --[[User_talk:Toejam|T]][[User:Toejam|oejam]] 12:26, 23 May 2007 (BST)
-:I like the rules on the article because it makes sure we ensure that 15 people actually see the thing, therefore, allowing us to get an accurate view of what the people desire. However, a similar change on the Policy Discussion page was approved rather quickly...and it does make sense.--[[User:ShadowScope|ShadowScope]] 05:49, 25 May 2007 (BST)
-::I hadn't considered that, and it's a good point. Still, it's strange and dysfunctional that "No" votes can help a suggestion. And it would be worthwhile picking which rule to follow before it becomes an issue. --[[User_talk:Toejam|T]][[User:Toejam|oejam]] 14:02, 26 May 2007 (BST)
-:::We need to be following the policy. Someone might create a policy discussion for the merits of lowering the bar. --{{User:Max Grivas/sig}} 05:13, 31 May 2007 (BST)
-===The Stats Page===
-Just how useful is it as an indicator of groups "no longer actively [contributing] to the game"? Can we get a bit of consistency here? There's a group up for historical status that the nominator himself admits, in the nomination, still have enough members to feature on the stats page. What's the ruling going to be from now on? Ignore the stats page as long as the group leadership is no longer organising stuff? If they say they're finished? Or just if they're popular enough? As it is, it's just being used as an excuse to pull nominations that are borderline, by those that disagree with result -- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User_talk:boxy|T]] [[User:Boxy/Locations|L]] [[Zombie Squad|ZS]] [[Location Nuts|Nuts2U]] [[Dead Animals/Redux|DA]]</sup> 09:55, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
-:Ending declarative statements with a question mark makes my brain hurt? Other than that, I'm all for un protecting/categorizing Shacknews, On Strike, Mall Tour '06 and whoever else, allowing those folks who like to cling to their identities to maintain a voice on the wiki. --{{User:Max Grivas/sig}} 11:14, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
-::Well, the thing is, that it's pretty obvious that some of those should be historical. Mall Tour '06 is out of date, there is a Mall Tour '07 now, and who's going to start up an 06 group again? On Strike was for the big zombie strike, and that history should be protected, and further strikes have their own pages (or disambig). But nominating groups who weren't time specific, and continue to have members show up on the stats page? How do we get some consistency in which historical bids can be struck down? -- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User_talk:boxy|T]] [[User:Boxy/Locations|L]] [[Zombie Squad|ZS]] [[Location Nuts|Nuts2U]] [[Dead Animals/Redux|DA]]</sup> 04:17, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
-:::I'd rather have this: If the leadership declares his group dead, it's dead even if people still show up on the stats page. If no one on the leadership or membership shows up and there's a bid, the stats page info would have to be conclusive in judging if a group is still active or not (in this case, the SD of the Randallbank Coalition was wrongfully filed as it was still present on the stats page).   In the special case that a group is in line with an event more than an organization (as the Strike, Mall Tours, Big Bash and BBB), confirmation that the event is over should be enough to declare said group inactive. --{{User:Matthewfarenheit/Signature}} 20:09, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
-::::Well I think that is a group is on the stats page then they should not be allowed historical status unless there has been a notice on the wiki for a certain time frame. That would be my opinion. {{User:Pillsy/Sig}} 14:27, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
-:::::I don't have too much of a problem with what Matt says about "event groups", though I also like the idea of Mall Tour '06 still running around, maybe with a new motive to show Mall Tour '07 how it's done "old school."  Retros vs the Trendies.  Silly, but the whole packaging of "mall tour" itself is silly.
-:::::I'm not entirely sure how much I support "when the leader says its done, it's done."  Makes groups sound like they're basically the vanity project of their leadership, which is true in a lot of cases.  However, if people are identifying as something, they're that group, whether the leader dissociated him or herself from the group or not.  A (temporarily) leaderless group does makes matters more confusing, since leaders generally exercise or delegate editorial control of their wiki pages, but the wiki supports the game, not vice versa.
-:::::As I'm more invested in "role playing" Malton than the "scoreboard" keeping that seems to motivate most wiki editors, I'll add something more from my interest.  Take this hypothetical case:  There are a lot of groups with "real world" analogues.  SAS, 101st Airborn, Mossad, etc.  Now if a leader quits, and it's member does follow suit, it's possible for the group to be "historical."  Let's say Mossad goes defunct, but did manage to somehow create a Jewish neighborhood in Malton, and got the historical status for that and general badassery.  Say another player is really keen on Mossad, either because of a personal interest in the RL Mossad or an appreciation of the accomplishments of the game group.  Can he not revive the group because it was "historicized?"
-:::::I've been against Crit 12 as is.  It just seems to be a way for deletionists to find happiness through fixing a "clutter problem" that doesn't really exists.  Any group or entity with more than two months activity in game, and has wiki content reflecting said engagement should be "historical" and read as a reflection of the myriad ways the game can be played.  As is, I think editors are thinking of "historical" as some sort of "hall of fame" category reserved for groups who did well in a narrow "scoreboard" interpretation of the game and those who invented novel ways of PKing and Griefing.--[[User:The Envoy|The Envoy]] 17:57, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
-::::::Well said, Envoy. The clutter is not physical (well, unless a literalist wants to take it down to the DASD level), and unless someone can point out how it otherwise griefs, I don't see an issue. The "hall of fame" notion is probably what a lot of voters are really looking for, or at least voting under--not so much that they worry about clutter, but more an indication of an interest in protecting group pages of groups significant to them. --[[User:Barbecue Barbecue|Barbecue Barbecue]] 02:46, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
-:::::::yeah good points. so when are you going to update the mossad page like you said you would?--[[User:Sexualharrison|Sexualharrison]] <sup> [[Malton Rangers|MR]]&bull; [[Mossad| ה ]]&bull;[[User_talk:Sexualharrison|T]]</sup>[[Image:Starofdavid2.png | 18px]] [[Image:Boobs.gif|18px]] 05:50, 22 May 2007 (BST)
-===Church of New Eden===
-Ok, I've been around since the beginning and have seen all types of groups. However I never saw the Church of New Eden ever do anything. All I remember people telling me that it was a death cultist group but we never saw nor heard of them in game. So...how'd they get historical? --[[User:Saromu|Sir Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[ The Ridleybank Resistance Front|RRF]] [[ The Caiger Resistance Front|CRF]] [[ DORIS]] [[Witch Burners|Hunt!]]</sup> 14:24, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
-::Their level of communication in-game was astounding, second only to IZONE. My older journal logs show a typical encounter with them. I'm quite surprised so many older players never ran into them, they had quite a field of experience. They were one of the early terror-spreaders of infant-[[PK]]ing. I wish a few of their members were on the wiki to speak up about it. --[[User:MorthBabid|MorthBabid]] 23:32, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
-===Paradox===
-Not sure if this is the right place but, Paradox have 31 members on the stats page. That doesn't seem very "not active" to me. And as not being active is a requirement to be listed in historical groups shouldn't they then be removed from historical until the time they go inactive again. [[User:Whitehouse|Whitehouse]] 01:53, 8 July 2007 (BST)
-::See above -- [[User:Necrodeus|Necrodeus]] 19:46, 6 June 2008 (BST)
-:::First note the timestamp. You are almost a year late with that. Then note that this was posted before the above one. :P - [[User:Whitehouse]] 11:47, 23 July 2008 (BST)
-===Iron Cross Brothers===
-I'd like a re-evaluation on their historical status. They were never important or big, in fact the only reason why they got this status was because before voting on status all you had to do was put up the Category on your page and you were historical. When we switched over to voting no one wanted to remove old historical groups so they stayed. The ICB should have been called Iron Cross Brother because there was only one member. The guy made the page, claimed Fort Creedy as his, and almost went into a PK war with the CDF because he was too stupid to realize others were there first. Then that dude buggered off and someone else wanted to make a group with the same exact name, so he created the New ICB which also only consisted of himself. The group is not historical and should be removed. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]]  [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 00:28, 10 June 2008 (BST)
-:Or not. No one gives a shit. Thanks assholes. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]]  [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 06:38, 6 July 2008 (BST)

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