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==Monroeville Airlift==
== ENORMOUS BOT PROBLEM ==
Hi Kevan,
I am one of the few remaining survivors in Monroeville.  With the Christmas update being implemented, I was curious to know if I set up a Christmas tree and some lights in a building for a few days, would a Helicopter come by and take my character to Malton?  I don't want to do something in vain that could end up killing my character that has survived for ten months...
--[[User:Evildiehard|Evildiehard]] 06:18, 30 December 2008 (UTC)


:hey Evildiehard, i'm The Last Unlucky Guy, we were in harvey's group together, i like that idea, can i get in on it too? Getting my character out of Monroeville would be great, i've grown too attached to him and if i got killed, especially after going solo, and survivng for this time, it would really suck :( --[[User:An unlucky guy|Three Dog]] 19:41, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Kevan, this wiki is literally being overrun with bots. It was a pain enough when there were about 10 a day, now there are sometimes 10+ an hour. There'd have to be something you can do about this? Please? {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 00:05, 28 March 2012 (BST)


==clothing suggestions==
Kevan, I agree with DDR that something should be done to help minimize spambot edits. [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Combating_spam Here] are some tips from MediaWiki on combating wiki spam. The [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ConfirmEdit ConfirmEdit extention] we have installed on this wiki could be slightly reconfigured to prevent all non-autoconfirmed users (users with less than 25 edits or one week from user creation) from adding urls. Sysops can even create a whitelist of urls which would be allowed. Use of the expression [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgSpamRegex $wgSpamRegex] would also dramatically help reduce spam. It's hard to make spam go away for good but with just a few adjustments to the existing wiki software, it can be greatly reduced. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>05:34, 28 March 2012 (UTC)</sub>


Hi, long time no see. I've got another question about clothing. I see that you haven't implemented any new clothing for almost a year and the pages in question are receiving little to no traffic. Are you still in need of new Clothing ideas [[Clothes/Suggestions|Suggestions]] or can I close the page and move everything into their relevant archives?--<small><span style="border: 2px solid #DDD">[[User:Vista|'''<span style="background-color: Ivory; color:Black">&nbsp;Vista&nbsp;</span>''']][[User_talk:Vista|<span style="background-color: #DDD; color: Ivory ">&nbsp;T&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 00:35, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
:Ban the ips guys. 300 bots checked, only 50 unique IPs with an average of three registrations per visit. About two thirds were already banned by other sysops. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 10:44, 28 March 2012 (BST)
::{{*}}cough*GeneralSpiderzedVapor*cough* --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 13:58, 28 March 2012 (BST)
::Oh well if its ''only'' 50 unique IPs, it must not be a problem... Manually blocking spambot iPs is a band-aid fix at best; a knee-jerk process unofficially put in place in response to the fact that ''some'' of the current spambots are inexplicably reusing IP adresses rather than proxies. It will ultimately prove fruitless. On the other hand, the suggestions I've posted above have been researched and dicussed by members of this community, and they are suggested setting by MediaWiki devs. The discussion pages for the pages I've linked above are also chalk full of other great suggestions from wiki admins that are suffering the same problems as us. These spam blocking processes are well worth looking into and implementing. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>15:39, 28 March 2012 (UTC)</sub>
:::This is how spambots generally function actually. Botnets rarely have access to tor or other proxies and generally use userowned servers that are one use in part because it can actually check if it's already banned on an initial test account. We also actually have most of the tools you listed but it's generally irrelevant to botservs what the url is because if they're doing it for profit at this level they normally have enough domains that we couldn't really get an effective list together anyway without just up and up blocking ''ALL'' external URLs. The name of the game is backlinging but the bots don't normally check if they're actually getting the backlinks. If you want to effectively target these sites to stop them appearing you could always try reporting them to google but that won't make our spam load smaller. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 19:32, 28 March 2012 (BST)
::::Blocking all external urls is exactly one of the methods that has been suggested. But only for non-autoconfirmed users and only urls not whitelisted (all commonly used domains like urbandead.com would be allowed regardless of user status). Again, manually blocking spambot IPs isn't something we be should relying on. Not when so many other options are available. It really would just be a matter of adjusting two or three already present regular expressions. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>04:33, 29 March 2012 (UTC)</sub>
:::::My point was more that none of the solutions suggested actually fix the problem. They also generally don't need his involvement. Now adding a honeypot would be a solution that ''might'' help and would require action on Kevin's part, alternatively we could try and use the already existing whitelist and blacklist functions which were actually added back when 3pwv was an actual problem but, as I stated above, they wouldn't actually help overly much in this case beyond banning all nicks ending in numbers. Also, as a note, on your link what they actually suggest is a honeypot method in addition to the other methods as those are for ''additional'' security for unlisted or advanced bots. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 10:59, 29 March 2012 (BST)
::::::Also worth note: $wgSPAMRegex is nothing more than another whitelist for text. It's not actually any more useful without a generic bot template spamming you. In the end it all boils down to the most inclusive lists and tricking the bot on registration. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 11:08, 29 March 2012 (BST)
:::::::sigh...Karek, my suggestions above were the culmination of research, testing and discussion on other parts of the wiki. The community wants stricter spam blocking but its going to require a few minor changes on the server end. Let's just let the man look it over and decide without muddying the waters, please. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>15:21, 29 March 2012 (UTC)</sub>
::::::::Yes and my response is from ''years'' of this plus dealing with this problem on multiple other wiki's in Kevin's role. The point is to save him time, specifically, what he needs to do to have any real effect is an autoupdated list or honeypot like the lists from stopforumspam. Everything else won't actually do much anything and with the current bots most definitely will not have an effect. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 23:08, 29 March 2012 (BST)


== Will donate for awesome clothing ==
I've added the autoupdated DNS blacklist, and am just putting a honeypot in place now. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:21, 24 May 2012 (BST)
:Thanks, Kevan. It seems to be working....maybe a bit too well. I just tried creating a new account and I got a blocked by DNSBL message. Its the same IP I'm using to edit right now, too. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>01:09, 25 May 2012 (UTC)</sub>
::Odd, I thought it was using the same check for edits as for new accounts. Say if people think it should be switched off, or using different blacklists; it's currently just the Spamhaus and Tornevall DNS blacklists suggested by MediaWiki. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 09:12, 25 May 2012 (BST)
:::Yes, it is kind of odd. For me, the culprit is Spamhaus. My IP is part of a range that is on their pbl dnsbl. Apparently its a policy for my ISP. I'll send you a private email with more info. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>15:30, 25 May 2012 (UTC)</sub>


Basically, I was just wondering that if I donated $50AU or something, that maybe you might code in some blood-proof clothing, just for moi? I mean, it's a decent chunk of funds as all... --{{User:Medico/sig}} 01:30, 26 October 2008 (BST)
I've now switched to sbl.spamhaus.org, and have replaced the ReCAPTCHA with QuestyCaptcha. It'll only kick in on account creation, for now (so we may still see some spam from sleeper bots), but we'll see what hapens. If we want to ratchet up QuestyCaptcha to interrogate all edits that add links, let me know. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 16:30, 25 May 2012 (BST)
:The new dnsbl does seem less restrictive. I was able to create an account, at least. Questy worked like it was supposed to. I like that it is based on game related things. In the time since it has changed, we haven't received any spam edits, where regularly we would have had more than a dozen. I'm feeling good that you've foiled a good lot of them and we'll be removed from whichever target lists we were on.  Cheers! ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>00:37, 26 May 2012 (UTC)</sub>
:Hey Kevan, perhaps it is time to ratchet up QuestyCaptcha as you suggested above. Looks like the bots have found a way around it. I imagine the Captcha answers were leaked to spam forums. Not sure how else the bots are getting around it. If there is a way to prevent non-autoconfirmed users from adding external links (except those on a whitelist), it might help as well. We're not getting quite as many bot edits as we were before your last updates, but it's starting to get annoying again. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>20:24, 4 August 2012 (UTC)</sub>
::Before I say anything else, thank you sincerely for the previous measures you took, since I can't imagine how much worse it would be without them. But, of course, I'm not just here to say "thank you" (though I do really mean it; thanks again), since if you check the list of [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=newusers&user=&page=&year=&month=-1 recently created accounts], at least at a glance it looks like around 90-95% of them are spam accounts, and in November alone we [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Special:BlockList&offset=20121201095038&limit=307&hidetempblocks=1&hideuserblocks=1 made over 300 IP blocks on spammers].
::If it's possible to ratchet up QuestyCaptcha to interrogate non-autoconfirmed users whenever they post a link, I suspect that would handle a lot of the actual spam that is still getting posted, though we'd be left with hundreds of sleeper accounts pouring in every month, which isn't exactly desirable either. Unfortunately, I don't have any great solutions at the moment. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 16:34, 7 December 2012 (UTC)


== Broken Wiki page ==
Following up on this, we've recently seen what appears to be a fresh start to the mass-spamming, and it's becoming a major problem again, with more bans happening in the last 10 days than in the last several years combined. As documented [[UDWiki:Administration/Speedy_Deletions#Return_of_the_Sons_of_Spam|here]] and [[UDWiki:Administration/Speedy_Deletions#Spam|here]], we're currently in the middle of an ongoing-at-this-moment spam campaign that's seen about 400 pages deleted and 300 blocks implemented in the last 7 hours alone. And this is a followup from a similar attack that happened a little over a week ago with about as many blocks. The IP addresses seem to be from all over the place, so IP blocks have been of limited use (though they have helped).
http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=5th_of_November%2F2008&diff=1271116&oldid=1270525


The page I want is the last edit that I made for if, and I have no idea what went wrong. Someone directed me here... --<font face="arial black"><span style="background-color:#000000; border: 1px solid red">[[User:Haliman111|<span style="color:White">/\'''Haliman'''/\</span>]]</span></font><sup> [[User_talk:Haliman111|T]] | [[Project Wiki Patrol|P!]] | [[Project Welcome|W!]] </sup> 00:44, 11 September 2008 (BST)
Any chance you could take a look at the wiki's built-in countermeasures? I'm not sure what improvements make sense or are possible, but it looks as if it may be time for an upgrade. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 22:14, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
:This would be greatly appreciated Kevan. This issue is currently becoming more problematic than ever before as there are sometimes 10 a ''minute'' now, and though they have slowed down they are still appearing over the space of about 9+ hours straight. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/a}} 23:02, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
::New Questy questions would probably be the simplest and most effective solution, though not permanent. Eventually those would be cracked and posted somewhere. The idea of required captcha on external links by non-aotoconfirmed users would prevent a lot of spam at least, though I don't know how possible it is. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>01:08, 4 February 2016, The year of our lord (UTC)</sub>
:::Not sure how helpful the external link prevention would be — a lot of the bots seem to be posting no links, just blocks of text clearly intended to boost Google ranking. Also IP range blocks have been minimally effective as the attacks are being run from IP addresses spread across the planet (possibly a botnet?) {{User:Bob Moncrief/Sig}} 03:37, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
:::Okay, I've just switched out the QuestyCaptcha questions for some new ones. Let me know if there are any particular countermeasures (or extra blacklists for $wgDnsBlacklistUrls) which you think would make a difference. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] ([[User talk:Kevan|talk]]) 20:04, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
::::Thanks, Kevan. These other guys have been staying on top of it. I'm sure they'll let you know if it doesn't improve. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>22:30, 5 February 2016, The year of our lord (UTC)</sub>


One thing we sys-ops could do in the meantime is to update [[MediaWiki:Titleblacklist]]. "Mcafee", "telephone", "office" and "antivirus" (and variations caught with regex) should already weed out a great number of current bot pages. [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TitleBlacklist#Editing_the_blacklist Check the documentation for how to.] --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">▋</span>]]</span>''' 18:30, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
:I think "phone" and "telephone" are probably bad words to blacklist, given that there is [[Malton Telephone|at least one active group]] with the word in its name, plus the in-game telephone system. {{User:Bob Moncrief/Sig}} 18:45, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
::I set it to autoconfirmed. Old users won't notice, and hampered users could always ask any autoconfirmed user to create the page. We could drop those two in a week to check if the bots are still around. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">▋</span>]]</span>''' 18:47, 5 February 2016 (UTC)


==Iwitness typo==
Hi Kevan. Can you work your magic on the latest bot issue? It has been surging lately and is getting hard to keep up. The sysops also seem to have lost all IP check and blocking abilities. Thanks. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 15:55, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
:Sorry to hear it, I've rotated a new set of captcha questions in. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] ([[User talk:Kevan|talk]]) 09:35, 6 September 2024 (UTC)


Got really bored, and noticed there was a typo.
== Archive ==
I archived your talk page, hope you don't mind but it was starting to get out of hand after almost 3 years. It was getting obnoxiously long, more importantly I was experiencing some noticeable strain on multiple PC's I used when loading this page. You can find the new archive [[User Talk:Kevan/Archive3|here.]] -- [[Image:Cat Pic.png|14px]] [[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''Thadeous Oakley''']]</span> [[User_Talk:MisterGame|<span style= "color: black; background-color: white">'''''Talk''''']]</span>  14:31, 1 May 2012 (BST)
:Thanks. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 09:31, 25 June 2012 (BST)


"What does it mean if a record is PUBLIC or PRIVATE?
== This is not, the greatest game in the world...==
Just wondered whether you used "You search and find nothing" as a tribute to the song of the same name in Beneath a Steel Sky? --[[User:Rosslessness|Ross]]<sup>[[User:Rosslessness/Battle of Tebbett|less]]</sup>[[User:Rosslessness|ness]]  21:53, 21 June 2012 (BST)
:Loved the game at the time, but no, just a coincidence. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 09:31, 25 June 2012 (BST)
::Current available for free on GOG.com Yes. I'm no better than a spambot. --[[User:Rosslessness|Ross]]<sup>[[User:Rosslessness/Battle of Tebbett|less]]</sup>[[User:Rosslessness|ness]]  17:15, 25 June 2012 (BST)


Public records are just that- anybody can (if they take the time to look) find them and look at the information they contain. Private records are hidden in directories whose contents are not open to the public view, and the random number string appended to the end of the file name makes it impossible for anybody to find them through luck or accident. "Private" records are in fact so hard to locate that if you don't record their location, '''you'll never them again'''. That's OK when you just want to share a quick secret with some friends in a private chat room or secure forum, though- just copy the link and paste it somewhere you and you friends can find it, but others will not see it!
==Also==
User accounts do provide a way to retrieve all of the private records a user creates while logged into that account, so while still quite private, they are not going to vanish. User accounts also potentially allow for other levels of security; all of these are essentially private records that only certain people can see, or which do not display all of the details of the record in order to protect the privacy and safety of "innocent bystanders".


http://www.urbandead.info/iwitness/iwitness_FAQ.php#security
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--<font face="arial black"><span style="background-color:#000000; border: 1px solid red">[[User:Haliman111|<span style="color:White">/\'''Haliman'''/\</span>]]</span> <sup>[[User_talk:Haliman111|<span style="color:Blue">T</span>]] | [[Project Wiki Patrol|P!]] | [[Project Welcome|W!]]</sup></font> 15:38, 1 September 2008 (BST)
Now it's dead, can we open up new character creation again?
:Check your talk page, {{usr|Haliman111}}.  {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 01:36, 2 September 2008 (BST)


== Suicide Repair ==
I'd love to do some three year old repairs. --[[User:Rosslessness|Ross]]<sup>[[User:Rosslessness/Battle of Tebbett|less]]</sup>[[User:Rosslessness|ness]]  15:55, 23 June 2012 (BST) {{like|3}}
Most of the time it isn't easy to let a building reach the higher levels of decay and takes the effort of multiply zombie players. Lately as more buildings reach higher level of decay we see a raise in suicide repairs. Where survivors just spent all their AP and more to repair a long time ruined building and prepare to get eaten and revived. If suicide repairing was not what you where going for with the implemention of decay, please consider changes like:
:Afraid not - the contract with Channel Four specifically involved removing access to new characters once the promotion was over. Same deal for Monroeville. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 09:31, 25 June 2012 (BST)
::Ooh, there's an interesting titbit. As you're so chatty, can I ask how many man hours went into setting up the new cities? --[[User:Rosslessness|Ross]]<sup>[[User:Rosslessness/Battle of Tebbett|less]]</sup>[[User:Rosslessness|ness]]  17:16, 25 June 2012 (BST)
:::Two or three days, including the research? I wasn't billing it per hour, so I don't really remember. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 13:30, 29 June 2012 (BST)
::::Including the layout planning? How did that work? Its not all Randomly generated surely? (Last question I promise)--[[User:Rosslessness|Ross]]<sup>[[User:Rosslessness/Battle of Tebbett|less]]</sup>[[User:Rosslessness|ness]]  14:16, 29 June 2012 (BST)
:::::Partly. Apart from the unique locations and some manual tinkering, the maps were just drawn out as zoned areas, and the urban areas were generated randomly within the spaces assigned to them. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 14:21, 29 June 2012 (BST)
:as you seem to have some time to answer stuff: are we likely to see any new cities or attempts to attract new players? --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 23:15, 30 June 2012 (BST)
::Dammit, you broke Kevan D: --[[User:RadicalWhig|RadicalWhig]] 09:35, 8 July 2012 (BST)


a)Make it impossible to spent more AP on repairing than are left to this character, and probably setting a cap at 45AP as a maximum for decay.
== Hi Kevan ==


or b)Repair only removes some part of the decay level and not all at once. Probably like tearing down barricades.
Would it be possible to get a few wiki-things installed? Namely, [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:InputBox InputBox]. I don't have a clue how easy or difficult this would be. There was a [[UDWiki_talk:Administration#Mediawiki:Common.css_and_Mediawiki:Common.js|discussion on this]], and people also wanted collapsable tables; I'm not sure if they require installing anything. We gave things a try on our end but [[UDWiki_talk:Administration#The_Draft|couldn't get anything to work]]. Karek said something about jQuery. I have no idea what that means. Thanks. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 02:49, 25 July 2012 (BST)
--[[User:Experiment211|Experiment211]] 21:15, 13 July 2008 (BST)
:It means he'll have to do a version update to be able to implement that particular feature as it is in standard MediaWiki releases. InputBox shouldn't have this issue and looks to be designed with backwards compatibility in mind up until major version differences. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 06:03, 25 July 2012 (BST)
:I second option B. Option A could be exploited by people who wait until they have 2 or 3 AP left before running in to repair for 1 or 2 AP. B makes a lot of sense, I think. --[[User:Drugsanimudongs|Drugsanimudongs]] 17:14, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
Actually Kevan, on some Show Preview testing on Wikipedia, I couldn't get it to work the way I wanted to. I wanted to be able to enter text into the field, hit enter, and have it take me straight to that page, in the User namespace, with a particular user name, and as a subpage—say, to User:A Helpful Little Gnome/what I typed in. Doesn't seem to work like that. Oh well. Hope I didn't waste any of your time. Thanks. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 01:12, 31 July 2012 (BST)
::Errr... I read your suggestion wrong, Experiment211. Ignore my exploit theory! I still support B, though.


== Database error on the wiki ==
==Perhaps I'm overreacting...==
But a kiddie diddler has raised his wretched head.  Just pointing it out.  Perhaps you can track him and introduce him to authorities?  Don't know if you can track who puts up spraypaint messages, but it might be a good idea.  http://duke.a-comics.ru/dude.php?id=252553&confirm=c60ee2087d901c434d49b6f122ceb63c


I have been getting the following message after making edits:  
Oh, and hi.  Nice to meet you. {{unsigned|Necrofeelinya|05:33, August 5, 2012}}


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== Zerging Countermeasures ==
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Do please tell everyone once again just how effective they are. http://iamscott.net/1349708179916.html
--[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 16:24, 8 October 2012 (BST)
:In other news, people tend to die when shot. More at 11. --[[User:RadicalWhig|RadicalWhig]] 20:13, 8 October 2012 (BST)


from within function "SearchMySQL4::update". MySQL returned error "1062: Duplicate entry '20534' for key 1 (localhost)".
== Halloween ==
Retrieved from "http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Category_talk:Historical_Groups"
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The edits seem to be working, however. This bug just took place twice on the Historical Groups Talk/Voting page. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 11:13, 25 July 2008 (BST)
Thanks.x --[[User talk:Rosslessness|Ross Less Ness]] <sup>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERLLUoZn0mM Enter Stranger...]</sup>  01:15, 28 October 2012 (BST)
:I just got one on the same page. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 15:51, 25 July 2008 (BST)
:Come to [http://hellrising.com Hell Rising] for fog... er, MIST... candy, and our yearly one-time-only weapon. :P &middot; [[User:Amazing|<span style="border-left: 1px solid #aaa; border-top: 1px solid #aaa; border-bottom: 1px solid #aaa; color: #aaa; text-decoration: none; background-color: #eee; padding: 2px 0 2px 2px;">Amazing</span>]][[User_talk:Amazing|<span style="border-right: 1px solid #888; border-top: 1px solid #888; border-bottom: 1px solid #888; color: #eee; text-decoration: none; background-color: #aaa; padding: 2px 2px 2px 0;">phobia</span>]] 03:17, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
::Ditto. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:06, 25 July 2008 (BST)
:Or check out [http://scrollwars.com Scroll Wars] and kill our Halloween-Exclusive NPCs for Halloween item drops that change every year. :P :P &middot; [[User:Amazing|<span style="border-left: 1px solid #aaa; border-top: 1px solid #aaa; border-bottom: 1px solid #aaa; color: #aaa; text-decoration: none; background-color: #eee; padding: 2px 0 2px 2px;">Amazing</span>]][[User_talk:Amazing|<span style="border-right: 1px solid #888; border-top: 1px solid #888; border-bottom: 1px solid #888; color: #eee; text-decoration: none; background-color: #aaa; padding: 2px 2px 2px 0;">phobia</span>]] 03:18, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
:Forgive my ignorance, Ross, but just what are you thanking him for? --{{User:Klexur/Signature}} 03:25, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
::I think it's more a reminder to do something for Halloween... --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 03:39, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
:::Or maybe Stale Candy and/or masks made a reappearance early? I haven't checked, so I couldn't say. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 03:49, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
::::At least Hildebrand Mall has no stale candy currently, so I doubt that. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">â–ˆ </span>]]</span>''' 12:36, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
Err Kevan, it's October not November. http://www.urbandead.com/news.html [[User:Gordon|Gordon]] 14:43, 30 October 2012 (UTC)


Happened to me too today.--[[User:Gamestriker4|Gamestriker4]] 21:57, 25 July 2008 (BST)
==Halloween!==


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Thanks!x --[[User talk:Rosslessness|Ross Less Ness]] <sup>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERLLUoZn0mM Enter Stranger...]</sup>  14:50, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
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:Seconded! --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em">[[user:xensyria|xensyria]]</span><span style="text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em"><sup>[[User talk:xensyria|T]]</sup></span> 18:42, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
:Third -- [[User:Son of Sin|<span style="color:black; font-family:Chiller; font-size:medium">→'''Son of Sin'''←</span>]] 20:45, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
:Fourth-ed-ed! Really like the disguise feature. --[[User:Queen Mum|Queen Mum]] 01:06, 31 October 2012 (UTC)


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==Christmas!==
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Merry Christmas you old Devil! Hope the season's treating you well, and you completed your deck of games! --[[User talk:Rosslessness|Ross Less Ness]] <sup>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERLLUoZn0mM Enter Stranger...]</sup> 00:27, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
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Is also appearing  when searching brain rot in the Suggestions and Talk Suggestions namespaces.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 19:02, 26 July 2008 (BST)
:Erg. I've had some server trouble lately, I'll take a look at it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:21, 27 July 2008 (BST)
::Yesterday it was still doing this... It's rare as of late, it seems-- it was happening with almost every edit for a bit there -- but it *did* happen yesterday again.... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]]
:::Just hit the same after searching for brain in images. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 15:21, 3 August 2008 (BST)


I've repaired the database, it should be okay now. Let me know if any error messages still creep through, though. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:54, 4 August 2008 (BST)
==A winter wonderland==
Happy 2013 good sir. Hope the weather is treating you well and that the server isn't completely frozen over. For the first time in ages we've got a [[Suggestion:20130105 Increased Initial Repair Cost|peer reviewed suggestion]] that looks like it might actually work. After all it's only changing one number. What could possibly go wrong? --[[User:Rosslessness|<span style="color: MidnightBlue ">R</span><span style="color: Navy">o</span><span style="color: DarkBlue">s</span><span style="color: MediumBlue">s</span><span style="color: RoyalBlue"></span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness|<span style="color: RoyalBlue">l</span><span style="color: CornflowerBlue">e</span><span style="color: SkyBlue">s</span><span style="color: LightskyBlue">s</span>]][[User:Rosslessness/Safehouse_Hatred|<span style="color: LightBlue">n</span><span style="color: PowderBlue">e</span>]][[Monroeville Many|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]][[Location Page Building Toolkit|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]] 13:42, 20 January 2013 (UTC)


==A Little Idea for Group Affiliations==
==© Kevan Davis, 2005-2012==
Every year I remind you about this. You'll thank me in 2113. --[[User:Rosslessness|<span style="color: MidnightBlue ">R</span><span style="color: Navy">o</span><span style="color: DarkBlue">s</span><span style="color: MediumBlue">s</span><span style="color: RoyalBlue"></span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness|<span style="color: RoyalBlue">l</span><span style="color: CornflowerBlue">e</span><span style="color: SkyBlue">s</span><span style="color: LightskyBlue">s</span>]][[User:Rosslessness/Safehouse_Hatred|<span style="color: LightBlue">n</span><span style="color: PowderBlue">e</span>]][[Monroeville Many|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]][[Location Page Building Toolkit|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]]  19:09, 12 March 2013 (UTC)


I've had an idea and would like to submit it for your consideration. Would it be possible to add in the option of a URL link added to a player's group affiliation, a la the current system with the 'Real Name' links? This would be very useful for players looking to join a group and for groups looking to recruit players, especially zombie groups who lack the ability to spray-paint places without death-culting. Whilst the RN link is used by some, myself included, for recruitment, more likely than not the majority will simply not bother clicking it after the first few times they have done that on a profile have taken them to YouTube songs or Rick-rolls. A link under the group affiliation would draw more desirable attention.
 
There are two ways in which I could see this working: The first is to have the group affiliation act in the same way as the Real Life link, with the player choosing the URL; the second would be to have the GA act as the list of confirmed groups on the stats page does: An automatic link to the wiki page of said confirmed group. My personal belief is that the latter would be the superior option, so as to avoid abuse via unsavoury links which would undermine trust in the system (this is of course going under the assumption that you have a system which makes the links appear automatically on the stats page, rather than having to add them all in yourself of course).


Just my thought for the early morning.  
==HI MR. DAVIS!!!!!!==


Regards. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 04:37, 4 August 2008 (BST)
Hello I have some questions to ask,  
:Please make your suggestions here: [[:Category:Current Suggestions]]. Seriously Moloch, you have been around long enough to know how suggestions are handled. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 04:40, 4 August 2008 (BST)
::FWIW, my personal version of 'ActOnProfile' already modifies the group name to be a link to the wiki page for that group.  Its pretty handy, even if just to find out the group has no page.  A fancier GM script could easily determine if the page actually exists, and not make it a link if it doesn't, which would be nice.  Server side code could likely do the same thing better.  {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 05:02, 4 August 2008 (BST)


== Copyright question ==
1. Are you planning on making any game updates anytime soon?


after playing Urban dead I had an idea making it into a warcraft 3 map and before I release 1: may I release a map made by maps and the same idea of urban dead and with its name/s 2: are there any requires you want? for example I could advertise for the site every 5 mins(I can have the map do that for me)I have all ready given credit to Urban dead and if you want I can give direct credit to you also<small>—The preceding {{wikipedia|Wikipedia:Sign_your_posts_on_talk_pages|unsigned}} comment was added by [[User:Undeadpope|Undeadpope]] ([[User talk:Undeadpope|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Undeadpope|contribs]]) 23:42, 6 August 2008.</small>
2. Are you making a new city
:l2english.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:34, 7 August 2008 (BST)
:If it's clearly presented as an unofficial fan project, and isn't making any money, then I wouldn't have a problem with it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:51, 7 August 2008 (BST)


==IP hits and construction==
3. If so is it coming out to coincide with WWZ


If I repair a badly damaged building (15ap etc.) Is that one IP hit or 15?  --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:32, 9 August 2008 (BST)
4. Are you planning on advertising for Urban Dead to help combat the fewer numbers of players in Malton?  
:It'd be one. it's a measure of how many times you refresh the map page not ap. The only exception (as far as i'm aware) is syringe manufacture which is 20.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 03:53, 10 August 2008 (BST)
::I thought i was getting more than my regular action. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:32, 10 August 2008 (BST)
:::Is that confirmed or just a guess?--<span style="cursor:crosshair">Kooks</span> 22:50, 13 October 2008 (BST)
::::It's certainly incorrect. I repaired a building costing 134ap and still had more than enough IP hits to play my other characters.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 00:11, 14 October 2008 (BST)


==Monroeville and headshot==
5. The copyright thing says 2005-2012 does that mean the copyright is now worthless ?


All the high level survivors I know (about 30) have been holding out for the return of perma-death headshot with the quarantine. I see the quarantine is back, but everything still says that headshot is not permanent. Is this the case? If you're not bringing it back then you might as well close down the server or at least tell us officially. Because as currently constituted only one side can win, and though we could probably prolong things indefinitely I fail to see the point.
6. Those are the only questions that i will ask for now
--[[User:Babe's Ghost|Babe&#39;s Ghost]] 03:59, 17 August 2008 (BST)
:I couldn't agree more with this post. Staying alive as a member of an organized group in Monroeville is possible but it takes a large amount of coordination and effort. I fail to see the "game" part of current Monroeville on the survivor side, something permanent headshot would bring to the table. If balance is an issue, I'm sure the zombie side would love to have non-curable Infectious Bite. --[[User:Calem|Calem]] 10:09, 17 August 2008 (BST)
::The evidence of the most recent opening of Monroeville suggests that it takes about 6 weeks for the city to go from totally survivor-dominated to totally destroyed with the survivors on the run and hiding in the wreckage.  Therefore, it seems to me that the most fun and interesting way to do it would be to run Monroeville in cycles.  Every five to six weeks or so switch the rules to give one side or the other the advantage.  So, having now had an extened Zombie Friendly period of time, you allow the Survivors to have their turn for a month and a half with closed borders and "permanent" (until the next cycle) headshot.  Then re-open it to new admissions with the usual "Zombies stand back up" rules for a month and a half, then close it again and so on and so forth.  That way, both sides always have something to look forward to and there's always something to plan for.  Frankly, this solution still favors the Zombies somewhat in that a dead Survivor still never gets a chance to come back to life, but its significantly more fair than the current situation where Survivors can never repair a building for more than a couple of days before getting buried under a tide of zombies.  While that may accurately reflect the desperate conditions of the later Dead movies and some of the supporting fiction, its not much fun to be a Survivor under these circumstances, and this is a game.  --[[User:jng2058|jng2058]] 12:54, 17 August 2008 (BST)
:::Agreed.  Right now Monroeville is only a game of attrition with an inevitable (tedious) end.  Maybe that's in keeping with Romero's cannon, but it puts survivors in an unwinnable position and leaves the zombies without enough challenge to stave off boredom.  If the game's going to be left open, then since zombies are in the advantage right now (by 4:1) why not restore headshot and see what happens?  [[User:CoopVancer|CoopVancer]] 21:34, 17 August 2008 (BST)
:::: Actually Coop- if you think about it- zombie take over isn't necessary canon in the zombie/post-apoc genre nor Romero canon, but merely an outcome of the core theme. What destroys the humans isn't the zombies, which are fairly weak, but their failure to overcome their individual self interest and cooperate. Restoring headshot would work now consistent with the canon.  Headshot is something survivors learn with experience.  At present, most of the survivors, don't have the XP to have headshot. 
::::: So I guess this is down to a test of wills then? Of humanity? How long can humans survive before break down, succumb to anarchy, or make a mistake and get eaten? '''We will not.''' Survivors will not descend into madness. We will survive under these horrible conditions! '''We will be ever vigilant!''' ''(until an emergency comes up in real life, then we're pretty much zombie-food)'' [[User:Bystander|Bystander]] 22:30, 20 August 2008 (BST)
:::::: Bystander, I recommend the buddy system. Give someone in your group your PW so they can move you in an emergency.--[[User:Babe's Ghost|Babe&#39;s Ghost]] 00:01, 21 August 2008 (BST)
:Yes, your reading is correct that perma-headshot isn't returning.--[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 16:59, 18 August 2008 (BST)


== Will there be any type of reward for x number of survivors remaining? ==
--[[User:Founder7|Founder7]] 21:38, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
:1. LOL
:2. LOL
:3. LOL
:4. LOL
:5. LOL
:6. LOL?
:--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 02:54, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
:Oh dear... {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/a}} 22:29, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
:Just to offer a constructive response quickly since you're unlikely to get one from the other wiki folks, the previous cities that Kevan created were done for promotional reasons. He was being paid by the makers of ''[[wikipedia:Dead_Set_(TV_series)|Dead Set]]'' to make [[Borehamwood]] and was paid by the ''[[wikipedia:Diary of the Dead|Diary of the Dead]]'' folks to make [[Monroeville]]. So, unless the WWZ folks want to pay him as well, it's unlikely that he'll open up a new city for them. As for copyrights, even if the years aren't updated, they still remain effective for the entire life of the artist (Kevan, in this case) plus something like 75 years after his death, give or take a few, for most developed countries. As for the rest, I'm sure we'd all like to know that sort of stuff, but I wouldn't bet on an answer, nor is it really our business. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 23:56, 24 March 2013 (UTC)


I'm just going to say the only reason to ask this is because what the point of trying to survive if the hoard of zombies will eventually take over all? All i want to know is there anything that actually would give hope to the survivors?
== Griefing / zerg characters ==


:Yeah, it would be nice if the last 100 survivors were transported to Malton with text like "NAME survived the second Monroeville quarantine." or "NAME was one of the last 100 to die in Monroeville." on their profile page. --[[User:BetterLuck|BetterLuck]] 23:23, 18 August 2008 (BST)
There are several universal characters being used in order to grief. Please delete or ban these characters:


::I hope something happens that's good at least for survivors, now they outnumber us way too much now--[[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 15:44, 19 August 2008 (BST)
- mypasswordispassword


== Monroeville Characters ==
- mypasswordishowdy


I was just wondering if you had any plans for allowing players to have their Monroeville character's account moved to Malton. I just want to know because I happen to really like my MV character from an RP perspective and would like to play as him in a city that isn't completely ruined and dead... or at least use his name for a character in Malton.--[[User:William Told|William Told]] 03:08, 21 August 2008 (BST)
- mypasswordispenis
:No - you can transfer donation flags, but not characters. If you want to roleplay the same character in Malton, just create a new account with a slightly different name. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 09:33, 21 August 2008 (BST)
How do you transfer donation flags from a Monroeville character to a Malton one? Thanks. --[[User:Alias81|Alias81]] 13:10, 1 September 2008 (BST)
:Just go to your "settings" page and enter a name. I've now added this to the [http://urbandead.com/faq.html#monroedonate FAQ]. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:09, 3 September 2008 (BST)


== Don't fucking jimmy me, jules. ==
- mypasswordisgay


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- password
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I swear that 84 minutes almost pushed me over the brink...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 09:34, 21 August 2008 (BST)
- thepassislol
:Yeah, it looks like the wiki backups are pushing the server over the brink as well, from sheer weight of data, to the point of actually overheating the machine. I'm going to have to do another archive-history purge, as it's been a long time since the last one. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:24, 21 August 2008 (BST)
::NOOOOOO! Not the memories! Take anything but the memories! --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:30, 21 August 2008 (BST)
:::What about all teh lulz?!?!?!?!? Jed! ACTIVATE LULZ PRESERVATION PROCEDURES. CODE RED!--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 10:44, 21 August 2008 (BST)
::::OMG DID YOU SAY <big><big><big><big><font color="red">CODE RED?!?!?!?!</font></big></big></big></big>--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:47, 21 August 2008 (BST)
:::::Good man. You'll do me proud yet. btw Kevan we just bought UD shirts so hopefully that means you don't have to go ahead with this "purging" business...--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 10:48, 21 August 2008 (BST)
::::::Yeah i've thrown my best days into UD and my best money too. The least you could do is buy more server space so that a purge need never happen again. What if we need to check back over to see who made an edit? Or find long lost lulz? I mean [[2 Cool]] have a variety of quality projects using that space. [[ALiM]], [[ELiM]], [[Great Fire of 1912]], [[Sir Dick Longman]], [[Suburb Nicknames]], [[Colloquialisms]] and [[Malton Girl on Girl Parade]] all spring to mind. Of course there are many many more worthy pages created in the name of [[Kevanism|Kevan]], this is just a tasty sampling.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:53, 21 August 2008 (BST)
:::::::Stop blatantly spamming your endless vomit pile of useless wiki projects.--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 11:02, 21 August 2008 (BST)
:::::::Quality projects using the ''page history'' space? If there's something good in there that's been deleted for wiki policy reasons, can't you host it somewhere else where people will actually find it? --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:07, 21 August 2008 (BST)
::::::::Well if there is that's what we'll do. By the way - whilst I'm here, can I get your thoughts on [[ALiM|this page]]. Totally just out of interest and not fishing for an endorsement to stick in the first sentence of the article... And did you purposely give some of the locations amusing names or was it all the result of some cosmic event?--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 11:22, 21 August 2008 (BST)
:::::::::Also thanks for the recognition that they are in fact quality. And yes page history contains lols and should be kept for this reason. For example [[User:J3D/lol@finis|this particular work]] would never have been possible if page histories weren't kept. [[Save Page Histories]], i think i smell a 2C wikiproject coming on...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:32, 21 August 2008 (BST)
::::::::::Ah that smell. I know her well.--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 11:33, 21 August 2008 (BST)


Just wondering if there's a time-frame for this, there's an administrative Archive of Two we need to finish up before it happens, shouldn't take more than a few hours each.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 16:59, 21 August 2008 (BST)
There may be others with a similar bent. If anyone knows of them, feel free to add. In the meantime, please help to use up their AP in random directions. They're currently being used by some of the Raines Hills zergers like William Harrington and Doc Savage. Thanks! --[[User:Herr Gerdongerdorf|Herr Gerdongerdorf]] 01:17, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
:Turns out that it might just be the A/VB talk archives.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 17:03, 21 August 2008 (BST)
:just chiming in to say Don't Ban mypasswordispassword. We all have good memories of that chap. And anyone who says they haven't is lying. Just like about the fappening. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/a}} 06:20, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
::What in the name of all things holy is an archive history purge? Do i need to be in the brace position? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:11, 21 August 2008 (BST)
:::Look at the contribs of an older member, like myself. Ive ben around and posting since october 2005. you will see pretty much nothingb that old. A history purge is just that, a deletion of all revisions older than a certain age from the database. Its one of the reasons we make archive pages. Histories can get seriously huge, especially on larger, more active pages. For examples of the biggest, try A/VB and Talk:Suggestions --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 18:02, 21 August 2008 (BST)
::::Cheers Grimbo. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:06, 21 August 2008 (BST)
:::::Couldn't Kev just get rid of the bigs one then? Talk suggestions is a particularly useless page...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:08, 22 August 2008 (BST)
:It'll be some time during September, and it'll be clearing out to a specific date (probably everything over a year old). If you need me to hold off while some admin archives are made, let me know. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:37, 27 August 2008 (BST)
::I believe we finally got them all done.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 01:17, 2 September 2008 (BST)
:::Thanks. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:09, 3 September 2008 (BST)


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== Wiki Data Corruption ==
# (diff) (hist) . . The Drifters‎; 17:02 . . (0) . . Robot clean (Talk | contribs)
Maybe we do need to lose some of our precious memories...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 09:48, 5 September 2008 (BST)


== Is barricading affected in dark buildings?  ==
Hey Kevan, hope all is well. I was hoping you could take a look [[Help_talk:Wiki_Update#List_of_pages_needing_work|at this discussion]] and maybe shed some light on the situation. We think maybe some data became corrupt during a server host change. Looks pretty wide-spread. A [[UDWiki:Project Ragnarök‎|project page]] has been created to help organize efforts to manually fix the corrupted data, but we're hoping it may not be needed if you're able to do anything about it on your end. Cheers. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>14:14, 4 March 2014 (UTC)</sub>
:What is the status on the rollback? Up to this point, all pages with new revisions past February 18 have been categorised into [[:Category:Hoddmimis Holt]] for easy export and import, and all new image files have been saved to be re-uploaded later. All you would need to do would be to put the wiki in read-only mode, export everything from [[:Category:Hoddmimis Holt]] and then to rollback. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">▋</span>]]</span>''' 16:15, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
::Should be going ahead soon. A copy of the current wiki will be kept around for public reference for a few weeks if anything else needs to be reuploaded or cleaned up manually. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 22:24, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
:::One change I have noticed re-uploading files: Maximum file size has been changed to 100MB, and the non-image formats tar, pdf and zip are now legal. It used to be 2MB and image-files only. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">▋</span>]]</span>''' 12:33, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
::::Have dropped the unneccessary formats. The size limit had to be bumped to support the size of the import; it should be back down to 2MB in practice, I'm not sure where MediaWiki is getting 100MB from. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 13:01, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
:::::Thanks for fixing the wiki, Kevan. Ironically, your talk page seems to be one of the only pages that still has data corruption issues. I'm guessing it was exported/imported with errors. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>15:13, 19 March 2014 (UTC)</sub>
::::::Yes, definitely thanks indeed! (and Simon too) --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 00:21, 20 March 2014 (UTC)


Would you be able to resolve [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Talk:Dark#barricading_success_is_also_affected_by_dark this question], please? (i.e. is there an effect in dark buildings on barricading success?) --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 12:05, 27 August 2008 (BST)
== Hey Kevan ==
:As Midi said, you should try doing your own research on this inquiry first. It seems like you haven't even checked by yourself. --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 14:21, 27 August 2008 (BST)
::It's based on chance - sorta hard to get solid evidence when it could just be called "bad luck". Sometimes you have to go to the source to find out if you're just having a shitty day or if it's some game mechanic that's actually stopping you from hitting all those zeds at the local RP... I mean... er...--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 14:53, 27 August 2008 (BST)
:::Aeon, I ''did'' "check for myself"... As in. I've experienced it numerous times in-game... Then I went to Brainstock, asked around for a second opinion, and got one... But that wasn't good enough for you people... So I decided to ask Kevan, himself -- especially since Nallan kind of has a point, and since it's not easy to find the conditions to conduct the experiment... In any event, I managed to find a place to try it: I posted the results on the Darkness talk page. However, a quick word, yea or nay, from the designer really would be appreciated... Now... none of this "discussion" was necessary, not here, stop spamming this page, sheeesh. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 23:14, 27 August 2008 (BST)
::::You typed more than the first three comments combined. And you complain about spamming? --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 01:31, 28 August 2008 (BST)
:Yes, there is an effect. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:09, 3 September 2008 (BST)


== theres 98 survivors in monroeville what now? ==
New-ish player here.  Just joined the wiki, wanted to say hi and thank you.  Fun game!


what is going to happen now? is there anything left for the survivors other than to just run or make a last stand? is there anything for staying alive till the end. --[[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 19:13, 27 August 2008 (BST)
== Checkuser ==


Stay alive I guess. --[[User:Federationtrooper|Federationtrooper]] 22:49, 27 August 2008 (BST)
Hey Kevan, we sys-ops have noticed that [[Special:CheckUser|CheckUser]] (the special page for checking and searching by IP) is gone, as is the previously existing [[Special:ListGroupRights|user group checkuser]]. That seriously cramps our style for effectively keeping spambots down and weeding out sockpuppets. Mind to take a look at it? --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">▋</span>]]</span>''' 13:52, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
:umm the count jumped UP TO 100, what just happened? --[[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 03:50, 28 August 2008 (BST)
:Sorry about that, I didn't realise it was missing, and just assumed it was baked into MediaWiki these days. I've now installed it and it looks like it's picked up the previous checkuser group correctly. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] ([[User talk:Kevan|talk]]) 18:10, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
::And it's 101 now. --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 05:44, 28 August 2008 (BST)
::I can confirm it's working. We appear to have lost our checkuser logs which previously stretched back for several years, but it's rare that we ever needed the logs from that far back, so I doubt it will impact us. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 18:42, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
:::Idled characters standing up, most likely. Hellooooo. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 06:11, 28 August 2008 (BST)
:::Thanks Kevan, have a merry Christmas!--[[User:Rosslessness|<span style="color: MidnightBlue ">R</span><span style="color: Navy">o</span><span style="color: DarkBlue">s</span><span style="color: MediumBlue">s</span><span style="color: RoyalBlue"></span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness|<span style="color: RoyalBlue">l</span><span style="color: CornflowerBlue">e</span><span style="color: SkyBlue">s</span><span style="color: LightskyBlue">s</span>]][[User:Rosslessness/Safehouse_Hatred|<span style="color: LightBlue">n</span><span style="color: PowderBlue">e</span>]][[Monroeville Many|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]][[Location Page Building Toolkit|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]] 21:16, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
::::Yes, idlers. So, will all characters be deleted completely?  Should we make a last stand?  What will happen to the accounts?  Will there be permaneny links to the diaries, that can still be obtained after the accounts are deleted?  Knowing the basic plan will help us figure out what we should be doing.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 20:37, 28 August 2008 (BST)
::::Kudos for the quick help. Merry christmas! --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"></span>]]</span>''' 01:43, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
:::::If I recall correctly, at some point the game will be shut down. I mean ''shut down''. At which point Kevan has said that any donations on MV alts will be transferable to Malton. He has hinted that he might allow MV alts to be moved to Malton once it's shut right down -- although I haven't noticed anything like this in a while, maybe he's changed his mind? I dunno... My advice, personally is to wait and see... Possibly Kevan doesn't even know yet how he'll wrap it up. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 22:44, 28 August 2008 (BST)
::::I concur with these previous sentiments. Merry Christmas Kevan and thank you ever-so-much for keeping Urban Dead (and therefore my sanity) going. I'd be lost without Urban Dead. --{{User:TheBardofOld/Sig}} 02:05, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
::::::I'm [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/User_talk:Kevan#Monroeville_Characters pretty sure] that MV characters won't be transferable to Malton.--[[User:William Told|William Told]] 01:49, 31 August 2008 (BST)
:::::::Okay, but what will happen to the actual accounts though?  What would happen if I tried to login with it after the map ends?  Will the diary be preserved?--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 20:59, 2 September 2008 (BST)
:::::Aren't they (donation tags) already transferable? i'm pretty sure they should be. --[[User:Duke Garland|<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>]] [[LCD|<nowiki>[</nowiki>]][[User talk:Duke Garland|talk]][[Signature Race|<nowiki>]</nowiki>]] 21:02, 2 September 2008 (BST)


Donations are transferrable, and accounts aren't - it was always going to be one or the other, and donations seemed more appropriate. Profiles and diaries will be kept in perpetuity. And given how little difference there is between shutting the city down entirely and leaving it open for zombies to mill aimlessly around in, I might just leave it open. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:09, 3 September 2008 (BST)
== Survey ==
:Fair enough? Any chance of us active zeds getting another tag in our profiles? Ive noticed those survivors still active have got one. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:49, 5 September 2008 (BST)


For what? --[[User:Deadblast|Deadblast]] 19:36, 5 September 2008 (BST)
Hey Kevan, how long will the survey be open? (I may need to dig a bit through old suggestions to find the best ones.) - (Also disappointed in there being no option for PKer as playing style for characters. I guess they would go into survivor, as they try to stay alive?) --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">▋</span>]]</span>''' 19:46, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
:It looks like this [[http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1147825]], one like ''blah was an active zombie one month into the 2nd quarantine. '' --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:49, 5 September 2008 (BST)
:At least a week, will see whether it's still getting many replies at that point. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] ([[User talk:Kevan|talk]]) 11:32, 8 July 2015 (UTC)


Again, I ask, "For what?"  For staying active?  --[[User:Deadblast|Deadblast]] 23:35, 5 September 2008 (BST)
== E-Mailing on the wiki ==
:Sorry. yep.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:29, 8 September 2008 (BST)
::You knew when you signed up that it was not going to be a permanent map. And you knew the basic rules of the game, as well. You ''knew''... Now, deal with it. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 21:57, 8 September 2008 (BST)


== FAQs addition? ==
Hey Kevan, the e-mail services on this wiki don't seem to function anymore. A user recently experienced trouble with receiving mails to reset their wiki account. I have tested sending them and myself a mail through the E-Mail User feature, and it didn't result in a sent mail either. I suspect something has been broken on the technical side beyond the reach of us sys-ops. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">▋</span>]]</span>''' 19:23, 27 October 2015 (UTC)


I don't know why you haven't gotten around to it, but here you can even find a pretyped one to add.  It's a quick, simple addition...
==AP not regenerating in permadeath cities==


http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Talk:Suggestions#Add_encumbrance_section_to_the_FAQs
Hey Kevan I’ve recieved reports that characters hitting a certain negative ap level in permadeath cities are no longer regaining ap. I will email with specific numbers and profiles. --[[User:Rosslessness|<span style="color: MidnightBlue ">R</span><span style="color: Navy">o</span><span style="color: DarkBlue">s</span><span style="color: MediumBlue">s</span><span style="color: RoyalBlue"></span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness|<span style="color: RoyalBlue">l</span><span style="color: CornflowerBlue">e</span><span style="color: SkyBlue">s</span><span style="color: LightskyBlue">s</span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness/Quiz|<span style="color: LightBlue">n</span><span style="color: PowderBlue">e</span>]][[Monroeville Many|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]][[The Great Suburb Group Massacre|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]]<sup>[[Location Page Building Toolkit|<span style="color: DarkRed">Want a Location Image?]] </span> </sup>  19:51, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
:For hilarities sake, can you give me a ballpark of how negative AP you're getting? {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/a}} 23:19, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
::high enough to make it a death sentence if I share details here. --[[User:Rosslessness|<span style="color: MidnightBlue ">R</span><span style="color: Navy">o</span><span style="color: DarkBlue">s</span><span style="color: MediumBlue">s</span><span style="color: RoyalBlue"></span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness|<span style="color: RoyalBlue">l</span><span style="color: CornflowerBlue">e</span><span style="color: SkyBlue">s</span><span style="color: LightskyBlue">s</span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness/Quiz|<span style="color: LightBlue">n</span><span style="color: PowderBlue">e</span>]][[Monroeville Many|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]][[The Great Suburb Group Massacre|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]]<sup>[[Location Page Building Toolkit|<span style="color: DarkRed">Want a Location Image?]] </span> </sup>  23:38, 4 July 2018 (UTC)


Also, I'm not trying to bother you, but could you check the bugs page and try to deal with some of those issues?  I noticed my moved-outside reports already in the known bugs section, and that sounds like a creepy one that's been happening to a number of people.  I also see a number of other bugs commonly happening, with no hint of what's going on.  Thanks.
== Donate buttons defunct ==
--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 20:44, 28 August 2008 (BST)
:Once again...[[PR_UI:_Sub_Pages#Tips_about_encumbrance|dupe]]. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 19:28, 30 August 2008 (BST)
::That's why I wondered why he hasn't gottena round to it yet.  It's been around a while, and it seems pretty needed.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 21:04, 2 September 2008 (BST)


== Enough is enough ==
Hello Kevan, I wanted to inform you that the Paypal buttons on [https://urbandead.com/donate.html https://urbandead.com/donate.html] are defunct. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"></span>]]</span>''' 19:45, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
 
I know you don't want to deal with this kind of stuff... yeah yeah yeah... But please just ''look'' at [http://zombies.dementiastudios.org/boards/index.php?topic=12.180 this post]. Just quickly...
 
Enough is enough, already. '''Please''' ban open proxies from accessing Urban Dead, because this is just too common -- and if anything is going to kill this game and the community it's zerging. There is a massive level of frustration over zerging, though honestly it's not brought up because people are fatalistic, figuring you're not going to do anything about it. But there are people willing and able to assist with the coding, with helping to set this up, you just need to say "Yes" to getting the ball rolling. Please consider it, consider ''something''... Because it's a serious problem ((that is, the use of proxies). And, unfortunately -- unless there is something huge we are all missing -- it's a problem that your abuse detection algorithms just can't deal with... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 12:55, 31 August 2008 (BST)
:Just to add... This guy in the post I linked to likely had his alts banned, and just kept making more and more to replace them... which, if true, shows that algorithm works against ''"normal" multi-abusers.'' But when you're dealing with proxies, you can completely circumvent those algorithms. And that's the problem... Active players usually encounter at least a couple ''obvious'' "zerg teams" every week... And a lot more less obvious but suspicious ones... It's very frustrating for those who try to play "by the book"... And while we generally just "shrug and bear it", still... I'm not going to bother you with this anymore now, but I really felt it was high time to bring this your attention, and to speak out for the many people who are so frustrated by the prevalence of zerging in Urban Dead. Thanks for your attention. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:17, 31 August 2008 (BST)
 
I'm going to take the liberty of seconding the above on behalf of both the [[Ridleybank Resistance Front]] and [[Columbine Kids]], two fair-playing teams that I lead who encounter zerg teams weekly. Whether something comes of this or not, I just want to add our voices. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 18:38, 1 September 2008 (BST)
 
Ha. The only topic on the page not address by Kev on Sept 3. Come on man an least a reply saying you cbf would be nice...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 05:03, 5 September 2008 (BST)
 
:Sure, I'll take a look at any ideas or technologies people have got. I'm not aware of any silver bullets that don't also turn up false-positives for people on weird ISPs or who have a misleadingly-configured home network, but would be happy to be proven wrong. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:29, 5 September 2008 (BST)
::Interesting Tangent: Speaking of silver bullets, i recently found out that all that stuff from days yonder referring to silver bullets and there use in banishing monsters is actually ambiguous as to if it's talking about actual silver, or mercury (which was known as quicksilver at the time). so yeah, you may in fact be unaware of any mercury bullets. Just keep that in mind when banishing foes.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:36, 5 September 2008 (BST)
 
There was a discussion on Beerhah.com about this... Where some people were attempting to seriously address the issue and then come to you with some solutions. Sadly, interest seemed to wane once Finis Valorum apparently left the game... However, I am going to copy what was probably the most relevant and hopefully most useful post in that discussion. As you'll see, the solution was not an algorithm and/or set of "suspicious" IPs, etc. -- which I gather was you were talking about above? Rather, the main idea it was using a list of known proxies and simply banning them. I actually think the wiki sysops have a pretty long list of banned proxies, for a start perhaps that could be used...
 
And, no  solution is going to perfect. There will ''always'' be holes, always ways around whatever measures you impliment. As the post I'll copy discusses. That, I think, is pretty well understood. However, the point is to make it as difficult as possible for people to cheat. Open proxies are just ''too easy'' to find and use... Now, I don't know if paying for a proxy list is going to be effective, or a waste of money, considering how much these things change, apparently -- that's something someone with the right knowledge would have to decide. Anyway, I'm place the text of the post on [[User talk:WanYao| my Talk page]] for you to look at. Thanks for your time. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:21, 5 September 2008 (BST)
 
Sadly, we've got no follow up response yet... Kevan, are you listening? Just as another case in point, look at this... yeah I ''know'' what you say... But just look... I think you need to... I don't want to be a "bitch" about this... But I am really, really hoping we can find some way to address the zerging issue, and this requires a dialogue with you...
 
http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/09-12-08_2000hrs_PRIVATE/IN_7-1__644-f97-77b.html
http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/09-12-08_2000hrs_PRIVATE/IN_8-1__0c7-19c-2b9.html
 
LOLz at my insane typos notwithstanding (i meant "flayed alive") .... This is sadly typical... We see this stuff all the time: here, 4 alts, at least, 2 each in adjacent buildings, from someone with a whole slew of "mithra" alts, many more than these 4, many of them previously spotted together -- this guy is familiar to us... We've presented some ideas for dealing with zergs like this, there is a discussion on the [[AZM]] Talk page... Will you work on this? --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 21:08, 12 September 2008 (BST)
 
Kevan, please do this: community appointed UD moderators. These trusted moderators will ban obvious zerging reported by players. To investigate zerging only basic information is needed: history of when the zergs all logged in, and how long they've been around each other. 95% of zergers are stupid and lazy and will be caught this way. No permanent bans, just temporary ones. Enough to make the zergers life difficult. --[[User:Rupert|Rupert]] 19:05, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
:COMMUNITY appointed? You're joking, right? --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 21:09, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 
I'm kind of new, so forgive me if this is stupid... Am I correct in assuming that a lot of these zerg characters are level 1, or to a lesser degree level 2 that seldom level up or even gain XP but are used as scouts.  If that's the case then I would think that any ''real'' account is going to gain XP and level up within reasonable time periods.  If that's the case then would purging level 1 & 2 characters that don't level in say a month get rid of a lot of zergs? Or is there a legitimate reason for accounts within these parameters? --[[User:Mvario|mvario]] 01:59, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
:Most zergs (despite the name) do infact end up leveling up, check out all the [[GTFO]] zergs for an example. The one's that do stay at lvl 1 and 2 are throw aways that won't be used again anyway, so deleting them wouldn't have any effect except to free up the account name to be used by another player. And that is something Kevan has said he doesn't want as it would cause confusion. Also lol @ my post up there ^ from Sept 5.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:48, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 
== Last Major Change to this page? ==
 
When was the last major change to this page made, the one where months pf posts were cleared off and the number of topics reset to 0 (I assume 0)?.  What about the Suggestions Development Page, where the Overflow section used to be?  I'm trying to find certain old stuff, and I need to know those important dates to do so...thanks.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 21:07, 2 September 2008 (BST)
 
 
[[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Kevan&diff=prev&oldid=1241305]]This? You can chust check yourself by looking in the history tab at the top of each page. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:27, 2 September 2008 (BST)
 
:That link's no good.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 21:00, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
::There was a history purge so links to old edits don't work. However purges aside he's right, if you need to find an old version of the page use the history tab at the top.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:51, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 
== Dear Kevan: ==
 
<span style="color: #800000; font-family: Times"><center>You may try to tear down our barricades, devour our friends and allies, destroy our home... But we ''will'' prevail. Your efforts will be met with the stalwart defense that Barrville has maintained for these three years, and with our community at our sides, you must eventually accept defeat. You will go down, Kevan... and we'll put you there. And we'll do it oldschool; With our fists, With our boots, with lead pipes...<BR>And yes, with Axes. We shall not be put down.<BR>'''We Are AXES HIGH'''
 
E Cinerebus, Gloriam --[[User:Hardcore Rockabilly|Hardcore Rockabilly]] 16:13, 5 September 2008 (BST)</center></span>
 
:'''''HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!''''' [[User:The man|The man]] 20:31, 13 September 2008 (BST)
 
:Okay, I actually thought it was quite the honour to be eaten by Kevan... but none the less worthy of an overtly trenchy and overdramatic comment. - --[[User:Hardcore Rockabilly|Hardcore Rockabilly]] 20:46, 23 September 2008 (BST)
==Database errors==
We are getting some infrequent, but still painfully annoying database errors. Last night when i was trying to edit [[A/VD]] i couldnt because of them, and we lost two current revisions on a page [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User%3ASpacer_one%2FAthair_bas&diff=1270526&oldid=1270400 here] to them as well. Can you please take a look and find out whats going on? --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 21:51, 10 September 2008 (BST)
:Noted. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:43, 11 September 2008 (BST)
:It looks like we lost a handful of page revisions during the history purge; I'll look at restoring them this afternoon. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 14:08, 11 September 2008 (BST)
::Okay, fixed, the handful of pages that were affected are stable now. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 23:25, 11 September 2008 (BST)
 
==About the proxy issues...==
this site: http://www.gmodtop100.com/ had a similar iddue which involved everyone giving themselves votes using proxyies from proxy.org Recently the website restted all the lists and when I tried to give hits to my gmod clan, I discovered that by some sort of meckanism they had managed to block proxies from being able to vote. I know they hadn't simply banned them because even my top secret proxy was blocked and I had never used it to access the website before. Maybe if you could get in contact with this "Pulsar effect" guy we could finally end this. [[User:The man|The man]] 20:31, 13 September 2008 (BST)
:It's really not as simple as some people seem to think. Web-based CGI or PHP proxies, or even SOCKS/HTTP proxies, are merely the tip of the iceberg – anyone with any decent technical expertise or friends with same can bypass any proxy list you care to come up with. Sure, it might be helpful, but it won't be a silver bullet, as Kevan alluded to above. Either way, we'll need to continue with [[ZHU|community-based]] [[GTFO|solutions]], as well as any additional technological measures that may be implemented. And remember... {{cquote||It may well be doubted whether human ingenuity can construct an enigma... which human ingenuity may not, by proper application, resolve.''|Edgar Allen Poe}}{{User:Revenant/Sig}} 07:09, 15 September 2008 (BST)
::And...{{cquote||Some things are not problems to be solved, they are facts to be coped with.''|Anonymous}} --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 17:23, 20 September 2008 (BST)
 
==Future history wipes==
Would it be possible leave a few more months worth of page histories next time a wipe is done? It's making it very hard to evaluate and track deletion requests, vandal histories and the like when histories just weeks old are missing, making it especially difficult to determine who should have "ownership rights" of group pages. Loosing histories will always be a problem, but the problem can be lessened significantly if you could keep it to older edits <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 16:56 20 September 2008 (BST)</small>
:Or a portion of the oldest edits on a page(like the first 5 if possible).--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 02:42, 22 September 2008 (BST)
::And maybe a backup for the suburb danger status, using that sql code i sent you last time... heh... too bad i only found out about this wipe weeks after it occured, or i would have asked you to make the backup before the wipe. Bugger. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]]</sup> 03:14, 22 September 2008 (BST)
 
== I'm wishing for headshot.... ==
 
maybe for those left in monroeville should have something, like headshot, cause look at whats left... [[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 19:53, 4 October 2008 (BST)
:The problem with that is to use headshot, you need to interact with zombies. A lot of the zeds left metagame, and all you'd do is draw others to your location. So yes. Bring it back. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:33, 5 October 2008 (BST)
::I agree, running from zeds is getting old. I imagine they must be pretty bored as well. If not perma-death, how about headshot drops AP to zero. Otherwise we'll continue this war of attrition. Also shouldn't we get new badges? It would be cool if we had an incentive to keep playing besides making the zeds look impotent.--[[User:Babe's Ghost|Babe&#39;s Ghost]] 01:02, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 
== ALiM's Birthday Party ==
 
You've been cordially invited to attend ALiM's birthday party at [[Club Head]] at 10am GMT on the 18th of October. Festivities will last for a full 24 hours. See [[Talk:Amusing_Locations_in_Malton#ALiM_PARTY.21.21.21|here]] for more details, oh divine master.--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 02:15, 7 October 2008 (BST)
 
== Misconduct ==
I figure you are already aware of whats going on [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#User:Grim_s| Here] but figured you should be formally informed. The final decision of the community has not been reached, but the general consensus will at the very least include the Bureaucrat status being removed from Grim. More may or not follow depending upon deliberations. Thank You. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 05:25, 7 October 2008 (BST)
:You have provided no evidence of misconduct. This is absolutely ridiculous. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:18, 7 October 2008 (BST)
::Grim pipe down, everyone knows what you think and we also happen to know what Conn thinks. I can appreciate you're pissed off but can you not write the same boring ass one line all over the place, at least i nice tl;dr wall for old times sake ;) --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:33, 7 October 2008 (BST)
:::Its not a boring arse line. Its a simple fact. All accusations of abusing the status of sysop as abadge of authority to force ones wishes on the community '''must''' come with '''clear evidence''' over a '''substancial period of time'''. So far no such evidence has been presented, and all my requests that it be have been soundly ignored by all concerned. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:36, 7 October 2008 (BST)
::::Conveniently all such evidence was wiped by Kev yestermonth, so i guess it falls down to your word against his/theirs. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:39, 7 October 2008 (BST)
:::::Evidence already posted would still be present, easily visible to all who try a basic search. In any case, as [[user:Revenant]] has said, this is a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kangaroo_Court Kangaroo Court], nothing more nothing less. My defense, which is logically sound, has been ignored, except where people have cherry picked points to troll. Saddam Hussein got a fairer trial than i am. In any case, without evidence, you cannot convict. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:40, 7 October 2008 (BST)
::::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>shrug*, shouldn't have declined my sysopship... ;) --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:43, 7 October 2008 (BST)
:::::::You were unfit for the job, and your subsequent tantrum proved as much to even the most jaded of eyes. My job isnt to make friends, or to be popular, or to do what people want, its to do what the rules and guidelines of this wiki state is correct, and to make the best decisions for the wiki in places where the guidelines do not cover. I am the only person to have ever lived up to that responsibility. No one else has, though karek comes damned close. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:47, 7 October 2008 (BST)
::::::::oh come on, it was a joke! I thought even in your current state you should have picked it up. Feel free to slur away, hope it makes you feel better, xoxo. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:51, 7 October 2008 (BST)
:::::::::Im sorry, but one seldom finds entertainment when one is the victim of such obvious and gross injustice where one cannot do anything about it. I apologise. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:54, 7 October 2008 (BST)
::::::::::apology accepted, we shall see how it plays out...now, to leave kevan's talk page so he doesn't get pissed off and cancel my accounts!--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:59, 7 October 2008 (BST)
:Yes, this page was already on my watchlist. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:37, 7 October 2008 (BST)
::You gonna have a vote? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:39, 7 October 2008 (BST)
 
Contrary to Conndraka's first post, this is not a community decision at all. It is in fact a decision made by a small group of sysops. I trust the subtle difference and obvious deceit on Conndraka's part is not lost on you. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 14:59, 7 October 2008 (BST)
 
There being no official method or process of notification...[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#Final_Ruling| Here] is the result. Note the community "petition" that is also currently attached to the position. There being no "Policy" in this manner, the impeachment of a sysop by the community is a nebulous proposal at best. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 06:00, 9 October 2008 (BST)
:So that was you that thought that it would be a good idea to try to drive someone to vandalism as a last resort at neutrality? If it wasn't whoever added that petition should themselves be vandal escalated for misusing an administrative page to further a personal fight. Precedent matters.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 09:13, 11 October 2008 (BST)
::Just for the record it was me who added the "petition" it was not intended to be used as evidence against Grim it and i thought it was pretty clear that I was asking for the communities opinion on wether Grim should face a vote. more than 1 person thought not.... apparently my intention was not clear enough and it turned into a petition while i was off-line. Should Grim have lost his Crat status? Probably... should he have lost it for the misconduct case? Absolutely not!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 14:15, 11 October 2008 (BST)
 
== Bug, "zerg flag", or what?  ==
 
[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=951980 This alt] has recently tried searching for FAKs in a powered Mall with *no* success. 'Tis far more than bad luck... All other actions seem to working just fine, and I really can't see how a zerg flag could have been activated, even accidentally. Is this a bug, some unannounced change, or has a zerg flag somehow been activated? Anyone else had anything similar happen? But if it is a bug, then I'll report it normally... Thanks. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 05:09, 9 October 2008 (BST)
:Unannounced change, although you shouldn't be getting ''zero'' success. If it keeps up, report it as a bug and we'll get some more data on it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:17, 9 October 2008 (BST)
::Can you post these things as news? not only are we in a news drought, but it'll send the mall rats scurrying to the TRPs...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:25, 9 October 2008 (BST)
:::It seems a bit cheap to announce search tweaks as fully-fledged "game updates". There are some proper updates on the way. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:27, 9 October 2008 (BST)
::::Perhaps, but it makes a difference. And considering it was suggested through the wiki suggestion system it'd a tip of the hat to the crowd over there (regardless of whether or not you actually saw that ;) ), i look forward to new updates :D something pro zombie perhaps? Things have quietened down in Malty as of late...btw kudos on the ruin update, she added a whole new dimension to the game.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:31, 9 October 2008 (BST)
:::::Oh good. I thought this was just me. I have been getting reduced search rates EVERYwhere. (Hospitals, Malls, NT buildings.) Quite a few days I've spend 18~23 AP in these buildings over a period of about 10~12 minutes and have found nothing at all. Recently I've used a mall-searcher and spent 20 AP in Caiger NW and have found nothing in any store. It woulda been nice to see this as an official update. [[User:Pakopako|Pakopako]] 14:35, 9 October 2008 (BST)
::::::Yay! Updates are ace. :D -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 17:47, 9 October 2008 (BST)
:::::::Yes, please announce it or something. I was sad to find just 2 FAKs with 20 APs in a lightened mall with bargain hunting. Its just very less. First i thougt, it was bad luck, but others said the same too. Maybe a small view, what has been changed would be nice. --[[User:Paradoxin|Paradoxin]] 17:53, 9 October 2008 (BST)
:::::::'''My search-statistics:'''
:::::::'''Where:''' lightened Mall, searched in the Drugstore
:::::::'''Skill:''' Shopping+Bargain Hunting
:::::::'''APs:''' 38 / 47
:::::::'''Found nothing:''' 30 / 36
:::::::'''Found a FAK:''' 8 / 11
:::::::'''Rate:''' 21,06% / 23,4%
:::::::--[[User:Paradoxin|Paradoxin]] 18:18, 9 October 2008 (BST)
 
Assuming there are no more break-ins at my safehouse, I'll post some data tomorrow. [[User:Linkthewindow|<span style="color: DodgerBlue">Linkthewindow]]</span> <sup>[[User talk:Linkthewindow|<span style="color: DarkRed">Talk]] </span> </sup> 04:26, 10 October 2008 (BST)
 
Thanks for the reply, Kevan... No, you're right, haven't had a lot of time to play lately, but I tested it further and I did finally find some FAKs... And for everyone else... I believe I know ''exactly'' why Kevan implemented this. And it pleases me, personally, very much. :) Meanwhile, this wasn't a game-mechanic change, just a search rate nerf... Thus, I think it's cool it was left for us to discover on our own, and not as an announcement... Even if I had to resort to the cheap method of asking the big guy himself... ;) Though I did suspect it might be a search rate nerf, I just didn't ''dare'' to believe'' :D ... Thanks, Kevan, cool change... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 07:01, 10 October 2008 (BST)
:Oh... FTR limited data... but searching for guns in a mall ''seems'' the same as always... and syringe rates have been quite low for some time now... just to clear up statement made above about everything sucking... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 07:05, 10 October 2008 (BST)
 
You know, there's a [[Search Odds|better place]] than Kevan's talk page to dump this data... --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 18:17, 10 October 2008 (BST)
 
==Coup II==
I have regularly spoken to you of the abuses of adminsistrator and the flaws of the system. I have begged, and pleaded for you to become involved in fixing these problems. You have told me to do it myself. Tow/three days ago i notified you of my intent to stage a coup on this wiki and enforce a better way, at the very least as a trial run. I also informed you that you could call it off simply by telling me "no". Since you havent responded, and circumstances have cospired to make such an option impossible in the immediate future due to the very corruption that has taken root, i have been forced to go ahead earlier than i would have liked. I merely ask that you adopt a wait and see attitude towards what i am trying to do. This is my last throw of the dice. My last ditch attempt to make this a better place before i take my leave of this community forever. I apologise for the manner in which i had to bring it about however. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 10:26, 9 October 2008 (BST)
:Hello Grim. I read your email as a bold request for ''permission'' to single-handedly institute "sweeping reforms" and selective sysop demotions. I didn't realise you were threatening to actually abuse bureaucrat powers and go ahead regardless, if I didn't respond quickly enough.
:Yes, whenever you email me asking that I force through a change that you personally want implemented, I suggest that you take it through the proper channels - usually a policy discussion, to at least get some community feedback first. I don't see why you couldn't have done that here. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:17, 9 October 2008 (BST)
 
==Coup==
Could you please re-sysop all the people that Grim just demoted, please, and remove his bureaucrat status to avoid it happening again? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:24 9 October 2008 (BST)</small>
:Already onto it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:24, 9 October 2008 (BST)
::Thanks <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:28 9 October 2008 (BST)</small>
:::sooo....where do we go from here? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:31, 9 October 2008 (BST)
::::[[Suburb Nicknames#West Becktown|PUSSY TOWN]]!--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 11:33, 9 October 2008 (BST)
 
Shouldn't grim also have been demoted ? He can still do lots of damage with his sysop powers --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]]</sup> 13:41, 9 October 2008 (BST)
:Given the "effective immediately i am seizing executive power" tone of his bureaucrat abuse, and the fact that he claims to have left the wiki permanently, temporarily revoking his sysop powers seems fair enough, if only as a security issue. I'll reverse it should the [[Misconduct#User:Grim_s|new misconduct case]] decide in his favour. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 14:34, 9 October 2008 (BST)
 
Hm... I think I may create a new subpage on my userspace containing as much of this stuff as I can. It will be interesting to read through and spot the points at which Grim became more and more frantic. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 14:27, 9 October 2008 (BST)
 
::First Katthew, now grim.  There is no place for common sense is there? Maybe i'm not in possession of all the facts; all I see is one frustrated person finally snapping, after years spent as one of the very few sysops to actually work to make this a better place - rather than feather his own nest. The wiki has finally moved from being a source of information to some kind of passive-aggressive, UD version of Facebook.  I'd rather have one person capable of making a mature decisions, unafraid to step on a few toes and deflate a few egos, than a gaggle of preening children. Disappointing. --[[User:Keith Drudgely|Keith Drudgely]] 17:58, 12 October 2008 (BST)
:::Grim was anything but "mature". Just saying. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 20:56, 12 October 2008 (BST)
::::you should talk, cyberbob... actually, i do think grim was someone who worked hard for the wiki... and he'd dealt with idiocy for so long, he did snap... however, if only he'd handled things better over the long haul... le sigh... for what it's worth, the drama has pretty much caused me to quit the game, too... pathetic how seriously some people (myself included) take all this sometimes... and interesting how easy it is to walk away when the bad taste gets to be too much, and how little you miss UD when you do... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 10:36, 13 October 2008 (BST)
:::::Biiig difference between being immature by choice and being immature by impulse, Wan. Also, WTF is with you and ellipses? --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 11:18, 13 October 2008 (BST)
:::::~2 years till the next sysop snaps. I can understand where Grim was coming from though. It's very frustrating when people constantly attack you for no perceived reason, and eventually you *have* to snap, no one can sustain continued harassment. Grims misconduct case showed this, sysops calling for Grims demotion over something so minor was ridiculous. Unfortunately once a group of users has decided to attack you there's nowhere safe on the wiki, and eventually you are forced to leave until things cool off, which can be a long while, and difficult to do if you are a regular. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">11:35/13/10/2008</span>]]'''
::::::OR you could simply cease the unneccessary causticness that brought on all that ire and start acting with some degree of restraint rather than taking the easy route and trying to lay the blame on others. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 11:52, 13 October 2008 (BST)
:::::::Cyberbob's right, just because you weren't a victim of Grim's monster rampage doesn't mean it didn't happen. You should try to understand Jedaz, people didn't just rise against Grim for fun. We aren't idiots. If we were mindless idiots we would be playing Halo 3 and NFL 2009 instead of UD. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 11:58, 13 October 2008 (BST)
::::::::It's called Madden you culturally ignorant fuck. Nah you're allllright. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:02, 13 October 2008 (BST)
:::::::::How dare you be here and not on IRC. You left me alone with those barbarians. >=[ {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 12:13, 13 October 2008 (BST)
::::::::::sorry sorry! I was spose to go to bed 21 minutes ago...hows a week tonight for you? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:19, 13 October 2008 (BST)
::::::::@Cyberbob - What kind of restraint are you talking about? Restraint of language? I don't see anyone else restraining themselves. Restraint of Sysop powers? Well there wern't any successful misconduct cases about misuse. If you are talking about restraining yourself once you've snapped then you must be laughing. Don't get me wrong, Grims attitude didn't help the situation, but people making a mountain out of a molehill doesn't going to help either.
::::::::@DDR - What has Grim done since June to have this "uprising" occur? Personally I didn't see Grim do anything outside of his regular behaviour (ignoring this most recent case), and the community has known about his behaviour for a long time and still elected him! Would the community still have rised up if this didn't occur? If not then it's just an angry mob and it would have cooled down eventually, where as an uprising would still have occured.
::::::::Anyway, if either of you wish to continue this conversation I'ld suggest we move this to my [[User_talk:Jedaz|talk page]] rather then clog up Kevans. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">00:34/14/10/2008</span>]]'''
:::::::::My point, Jedaz, was that if Grim was at all socially intelligent he would have realised that people weren't going to take his shit forever. If he wanted to prevent an explosion of the sort we saw he should've taken steps to improve his self-control. Blaming his completely unreasonable hissy fit (ZOMG IM GONNA LOSE MAI CRAT STATUS ALL MUST DIE) on the completely understandable reactions of everyone else is ridiculous. You need to take off the "I got yo back brotha!" goggles (you think I don't remember the circumstances of your demotion?) and take a step back to look at things realistically. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 06:37, 14 October 2008 (BST)
::::::::::I supose you have a point. But I don't think you fully understand the reason I chose to be demoted (if you did then you wouldn't have brought it up). My point is if you don't have the support of the team you are working in then of course you are going to find it tough and eventually you are either going to quit or break. Nobody seems to care that it can actually get to this point. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">02:20/16/10/2008</span>]]'''
:::::::::Cyberbob's right. Do you actually have a personal history with Grimsky? He has been planning this entire explosion for a very long time. He probably stretched out the time of the case so it could build up to a bigger explosion. He deliberately did this for his own ego. And yet you don't think he was unfit to be at the position he was at? Why argue with us more? Ask the entire community which demanded what we demand right now. I don't want to disrupt Kevan (I know your reading hun =]) So I'll stop here, no need to pursue justification. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 10:40, 14 October 2008 (BST)
::::::::::it was very calculated, there was a reason he chased away the other competent sysops, and crats, and meatpuppeted his crat "election".  He was planning this "coup" for a while and was no lapse in judgement.--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 22:30, 14 October 2008 (BST)
:::::::::::I miss all of the good stuff. I believe what Anime is referring to is discussed [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Grimch_vs._Conndraka#Opinions/arguments/refutations/insults|here]], with a now dead reference to [[UDWiki_talk:Administration/Policy_Discussion/Sysop_Sub_Groups:The_Cheesy_Version#"With_less_than_10_active_sysops"|the original conversation here]]. You know, where he admits to hounding sysops such as Vista and Hagnat to get them to quit their positions. Coincidentally, after he got Hagnat to quit, he got elected as a Bureaucrat. No, obviously no long term plan in place.
:::::::::::{{quote|Grim_s|Making a new sysop subclass wont solve this problem, all it will do is bloat the numbers of idiot sysops, which i have spent the last 18 months whittling away at.}}
:::::::::::Whoops. I guess it ''was'' a long term plan to get into power after all, huh? [[Image:Haw.gif]] --{{User:Akule/sig}} 22:52, 14 October 2008 (BST)
::::::::::::No way to prove this but on IRC Grim would often criticize my "hissy fits" of pissing people off for lulz and then brag about how he could do it better. I think AS remembers it, he often hung out in #udwiki. My point, he planned this. That wasn't impulse. Impulse is "DELETE FUCKING EVERYTHING!!!" --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]]  [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 23:07, 14 October 2008 (BST)
:::::::::::::Maybe they are talking about on a geological timetable. Or perhaps some people need to [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/impulse%5B2%5D read more]. I do find it amusing that [[:Template:Grim Doom|this template]], which was meant as a joke, is closer to the truth than people like to believe. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 23:29, 14 October 2008 (BST)
:::::::::::He made [[User:Grim_s/Sandbox/Thingamajig|these notes on attempting to scrap the system]] back in July, which included the idea that my veto power was a "problem" and should be revoked. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 23:51, 14 October 2008 (BST)
::::::::::::That's kind of why I am confused how what [[User:Amazing|Amazing]] did was worse than this. There is a huge history of edits of Grim chasing users off of the wiki in order to attain the power he craved ([[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Grimch_vs._Conndraka#Opinions/arguments/refutations/insults|'''by his own admission''']]), then kicks off the rest of the sysop team to implement his changes when he is threatened, yet he doesn't receive the same punishment. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 00:15, 15 October 2008 (BST)
::::::::::::::You're confusing yourself, because the Amazing and Grim situations are totally different. Amazing wasn't a sysop when he earned his permban through the established VB escalation system, and it was also a long, long time ago. Most of the sysops ruling on Grims case had nothing to do with the wikigate farce. Careful what you wish for, Akule, [[Witch Burners]] arn't that picky, as you well know <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 12:35 15 October 2008 (BST)</small>
:::::::::::::::Oh, okay, so talking with Kevan about how Grim probably should have been permabanned for chasing away several good sysops, plotting to remove Kevan's veto power, and overthrowing the other sysops results with veiled threats of forcing me off the wiki from you. Gotcha. So, when are you going to [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki_talk:Administration/Policy_Discussion/Amnesty&diff=next&oldid=1295384 "waah"] Kevan like you did Hagnat and the others? --{{User:Akule/sig}} 22:17, 15 October 2008 (BST)
::::::::::::::::I'm not threatening to force you off the wiki, Akule. I'm trying to point out that if witch burners always got their way, Grim would be out, but so would you, long ago due to copyright-gate. And why the hell would I Wah Keven, you clown... you're the one doing the waaaaahing <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 12:26 16 October 2008 (BST)</small>
:::::::::::::It's cos deep down (very deep, in some cases) we've all got a soft spot for ol' grimchy.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:12, 15 October 2008 (BST)
::::::::::::::And the winner of the Speak For Yourself award goes to.... --{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 08:53, 15 October 2008 (BST)
:::::::::::::::Ooo! ooo! I'm a shoo in for this one! Pick me! Pick me! --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:58, 15 October 2008 (BST)
::::::::::::::Umm...Boxy? How is what Grim did similar to the Witch Burners? Our goal is to remove those who create mass amounts of drama on the wiki through vandalism, arby's, and other crap. We are the vigilantes that work where the sysops can't. Grim would have been a target of ours if we weren't so afraid of him banning us after labeling him a target. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]]  [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 22:25, 15 October 2008 (BST)
:::::::::::::::Well, I was referring to the way Grim has become a targeted witch, actually, but he did use similar tactics, now you mention it <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 12:26 16 October 2008 (BST)</small>
::::::::::::::::The problem Grim saw with Kevan's veto power was that Kevan's refusal to participate in the wiki and the absence of the threat of the use of that power was in and of itself damaging to the wiki and led to a lot of the crap that annoys all of us. It wasn't that Kevan had veto power but that Kevan wasn't willing to give that power any weight. You'd probably know that if you ever spoke to Grim outside of arguments.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:24, 16 October 2008 (BST)
:::::::::::::::::I did. Usually it was go back to an argument, mostly over stupid shit. Mentioning you like Star Wars would result in a vicious attack on why TIE Fighters can't make noise in space. I for one don't give a shit. Grim loved to create trouble over stupid shit. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]]  [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 18:23, 16 October 2008 (BST)
:::::::::::::::::::That wasn't directed at you Sonny.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 02:54, 17 October 2008 (BST)
::::::::::::::::::BUT GODDSDAMMIT TIE FIGHTERS CAN'T MAKE A NOISE IN SPACE!!!!!!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 18:28, 16 October 2008 (BST)
:::::::::::::::::::fcuk u tehy can 2!!1!!!1one! --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]]  [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 18:30, 16 October 2008 (BST)
:::::::::::::::::::: obviously the whole star war universe takes place in a particle rich nebula that allows for both the transmission of sound and the really spectacular explosions...DUH! [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 02:07, 17 October 2008 (BST)
 
Well at least we don't have Real Gamer ruling the wiki.Grim did make a joke about a coup earlier in 2008 around the time the the dead did their rampage I believe.And by the way, according to the History Channel,if you were in space,the Death Star firing and destroying a planet is as less loud than you clicking your computer's mouse.--[[User:Gamestriker4|Gamestriker4]] 21:33, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 
== Coup Misconduct Resolution ==
[[UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#Resolution.2FFinal_Ruling| Resolution]] of the Misconduct case due to the coup, Just an FYI for official notification. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 16:27, 12 October 2008 (BST)
 
== HP? ==
Just stood up after a revive... Found myself at 20 instead of 30. another one of these unannounced  changes? [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 21:07, 12 October 2008 (BST)
:That would be a bug. Report it if it happens again. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 20:24, 14 October 2008 (BST)
 
I like the NT scan tweak. Very classy. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:22, 14 October 2008 (BST)
 
== Grammar ==
 
You try to add some corrugated iron to the barricade, but can't find a place for them.
 
"Them" should be "it", or "corrugated iron" should be plural, so maybe "corrugated iron rods".
 
Hope this is in the right place, and I know you probably don't care that much about small gramatical errors but someone needs to point them out!
 
Feel free to downsize the image..I would but I need to run! {{User:Lemonhead7t7/Sig}} 12:24, 15 October 2008 (BST)
 
[[Image:Grammar.JPG|left|thumb|100px]]
 
 
[[Grammatical Errors in Urban Dead]]. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 12:34, 15 October 2008 (BST)
 
 
 
 
== Update ==
I don't do this much and am actually on the side of criticizing updates as too much for false problems but this recent update has been something that has been long in the waiting. Thank You, this might actually get me playing my characters again.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:37, 16 October 2008 (BST)
 
I'll go along with that. Admittedly I'm far more easily-pleased than Karek and never stopped actively playing, but still, thanks for a great update. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 02:27, 17 October 2008 (BST).
 
== Privacy Policy ==
Hi kevan, is there any chance of a Privacy Policy being written up regarding players IP's and emails. --[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 18:58, 17 October 2008 (BST)
:[[UDWiki:Privacy policy]] has been in the footer for a couple of years now. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 23:13, 17 October 2008 (BST)
::Sorry I did not make it clear, I meant in regards to the game, not the wiki.--[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 10:39, 18 October 2008 (BST)
 
== Streetwalkin' cheetah with a heartful of napalm ==
 
A ruffian headbutted me for 1 damage today, as a human. Is this a new addition or am I slow? I basically came here to ask, Kevan, how does one headbutt? Is it a random occurance that may happen instead of excecuting the punch command? Just curious. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 11:22, 18 October 2008 (BST)
:Heh. That would have been me, non? Headbutt works via ?actions, i simply installed a greasemonkey script that allows me to perform said action in harman form without using the ?action. Sometimes young ddr, the only way to fight fire is well, with fire ;) . --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:50, 18 October 2008 (BST)
::That would be biting with a mask while alive I assume. 'cause you can bite while alive but, for 1 damage.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 13:49, 18 October 2008 (BST)
:::Sounds like the shooting while a zombie cheat to me. That hasn't been fixed yet, has it? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 14:27 18 October 2008 (BST)</small>
::::That was fixed just before April 1 this year, I remember because Red Rums April Fools plans were ruined.--[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 17:06, 18 October 2008 (BST)
::::The only reason the shooting cheat got fixed was because enough people decided to whine about such a minor thing. No one really cares about this one and it's been known for a long long time. That being said the damage is reduced when trying to perform zombie actions while living, it's always punch damage and I think punch rates too.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 17:58, 18 October 2008 (BST)
:::::Nah no mask, just 1 damage.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 23:55, 18 October 2008 (BST)
::I wish to lay claim to be the first person to be headbutted for 1 damage by a harman. Then I'll be positively famous. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 00:52, 19 October 2008 (BST)
:::You aren't. Unfortunately i'm not original, i got the script that allows me to do this off viktor, first person i know of who got headbutted was Fiffy  i think, check with Anime, he'll know! --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:06, 19 October 2008 (BST)
:Take it to [[Talk:Actions via "question marks"]], thanks kids... no need to bother Kevan with this. Basically all these attacks work as a punch with different flavour: they're all 25% to hit, 1 damage. And you're very late to the party, I know I and others have been doing this for 6 months or more. Pretty much from around the time ActOnProfile came out. <tt>;)</tt> {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 03:34, 19 October 2008 (BST)
::And unlike shooting while a zombie...the damage able to be inflicted by this is minimal.  I've been bitten by a harman before.  It was hilarious. ;) --[[User:Jen|Jen]] 04:15, 19 October 2008 (BST)
:::Aha! That sneaky gorilla's secret is revealed! At last the world makes sense again. --[[User:William Told|William Told]] 05:09, 19 October 2008 (BST)
 
/topic. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 06:31, 19 October 2008 (BST)
 
== so wait... new map? whats for monroeville? ==
 
2 questions....headshot on this map or?
 
and monroeville is at 260 poeple so im kinda wondering if theres anything left for it....
 
[[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 10:22, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
:First question, the first one to level 10'll find out. Question 2, get over it, there's been nothing there for ages...new city thyme :D --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:24, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
:Kazypoo1, Monroeville ''did'' die quite a while ago, in case you didn't notice... I thought it said 'permanent zombification' somewhere, and it only lasts a month, so I'm assuming its perma headshot. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 10:30, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
::No, headshot doesn't mean permadeath in Borehamwood. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:35, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 
 
Hello Kevan, quick question: The stats page currently displays the Monroeville numbers as {{udspan|(1023 standing survivors, 707 standing zombies, 43896 accounts created)}}. I take it this is Borehamwood numbers mixing with the old of Monroeville. So will we get separate stats for Borehamwood? - [[User:Whitehouse]] 14:44, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
:So. That's basically 950 survivors against 200 zombies at the moment? Still I liked getting the rage. It was fun. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 14:46, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
:Good point. Fixed. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 22:45, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 
With the new locations such as railway line(s) and petrol station(s), what do they bring to the game? Is their any new weapons/items? --[[User:Alcatraz311|Alcatraz311]] 15:00, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 
Was this why the server went down last night by any chance? =P -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 22:30, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 
== Publicity of Big Brother house location ==
 
Greetings. I, amongst others, would like to know your opinion on publicity of the Big Brother house location on the wiki. Should it stay hidden or be revealed? --[[User:Duke Garland|<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>]] [[User:Duke Garland/BHW|<nowiki>[</nowiki>]][[User talk:Duke Garland|talk]][[Signature Race|<nowiki>]</nowiki>]] 13:37, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:Unless Kevan comes out and says otherwise, this is no different than any other location in the game. Removing it is in no way different to a group of trenchies removing [[Giddings Mall]] from the map in case [[MOB]] comes to visit. Information is free. Censorship is bad.
 
:This wiki is a game resource, not a vehicle for censorship so that certain players can increase their chances of winning a DVD.
 
:Also this information has already been disseminated to public UD forums and is available through public iwitnesses. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 13:41, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 
:Had this talk with the Big Man before, and he said he has no problem with it. Actually, he imagined its coordinates would have been posted in a matter of hours on the wiki, and also broadcasted through radio and stuff like that. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]]</sup> 13:51, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 
:It's up to players how much information they share or conceal; I don't mind either way, in this case. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:15, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 
Wow... as if we don't get enough of the BB franchise on the idiot box, now we get huge BB eye's looking at us as we attack a mall in Malton? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 13:59 2 November 2008 (BST)</small>
:They'd only be there because someone chose to spraypaint them, but the graphic shouldn't have been showing up outside Borehamwood. This is now fixed. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:15, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
::OK, thanks. I have a particular hatred of the bastardisation of the original "big brother" concept that involves housemates <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 10:56 3 November 2008 (BST)</small>
 
== Questions about your character ==
 
I assume this UD ID is yours, correct, UD ID-11?  Well, I'd like to welcome you to West Grayside, though I don't appreciate the eating of so many brains.  Also, I don't appreciate the Ninja Zombie status you seem to give yourself.  we all know the military covers up things, but covering up their own skills?  I scanned your zombie, listed as pre-death class Military, but you lack any military skills!  So is just a sick joke, or is it a bug?  Picture of scan here:
 
http://img440.imageshack.us/my.php?image=classyw6.png
 
Thanks for checking.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 21:11, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 
:Damn, that's a pretty smart catch!  Bub is pretty famous among organized zombie players, and most folks know him for not having any human skills, but I never knew he was a "military class" character, as I've never seen the "living" version of his profile.<br>I doubt its a bug; G. Romeroe's "Bub" character was military.  {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 22:13, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
::How did he get Military without any skills? .......... Oh wait.... Mad haxors skill... :P --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 22:20, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Bweing god of Urban dead helped as well; being able to defy the laws of logic and the 4rth dimension and whatnot. Wait whats his human account?--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 03:53, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 
== Mediawiki Update ==
 
Hi, just wondering if there any chance of getting wiki software updated? The latest version is v1.13 and there are several useful new features, including:
*Expiry dates on page protections
*Finer control over permissions and permission assignment (e.g. Assigning the ability to remove only certain groups)
*Ability to merge page histories
*AJAX-based page watching and a bunch of usability improvements (User information when viewing a deleted revision, predefined deletion reasons, useful links in various places, etc.)
It's not urgent or anything, but it would be nice if you could put it on your busy to-do list :D.--{{User:The General/sig}} 14:19, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
:That sounds pretty cool. =) Can we get it for Christmas? Means you'd only have to get us one present between us this year, saving you quite a lot of money. =p -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 18:16, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
:Image undeletion is enabled by default as well-useful for when sysops accidentally delete a useful image {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 07:31, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 
==Black Holes of Borehamwood==
Evening. There's a couple of squares in [[Borehamwood]] that are seemingly unscoutable. Namely deep river sections. Can you confirm there's nothing mysterious and shiny hiding in the depths, islands and the like? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:22, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
:I'd just like to also say thank you for the charcoal briquettes barricade message. Brought a smile to my face.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:19, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 
== Amazing ==
I'v always owndered for these 2 years; what in the hell DID amazing do anyways? What grim did is easy to see because of the publicity and recentism of it but what EXACTLY did amazing do?--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 04:36, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Amount of characters in a broadcast ==
I was wondering, Since I started the [[Galaxy News Radio]] i've found that the very small amount of characters you can use is at best, a thorn in my side, couldn't it be possible to make the transmission amount of characters the same as for speaking, it makes perfect sense really --[[User:An unlucky guy|Three Dog]] 21:35, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
:If you want to make a suggestion for an in game feature, take it by [[Developing Suggestions]] and get some constructive criticism before putting it up for voting. Although as far as i'm aware the character cap exists to limit spamming of radio channels.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 05:49, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
::Actually it's probably more of a necessary thing like the 50 people limit in normal speak is. Radio can't share that limiter because that would eliminate it's whole purpose so the only other ways to limit it is to put an upper end on how much you can say per day per channel.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 06:21, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
:::It's a possibility, but since character limits (as far as i'm aware) predates the need for limiting talking to 50 it seems odd.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:37, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Okie i'll take this to the development pages, thanks for the feed back though guys {{unsigned|An unlucky guy|11:00, November 23, 2008}}
 
==Dead Set Competition==
Can I assume that the prizes and all went off without a hitch so I can update the competition as a Past event? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:59, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
:Yes, the winners have been selected and contacted, and talking to the cameras in the diary room no longer has any effect. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:18, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 
==Trade?==
Sorry to bother you but I was wondering why survivors can't trade. This could lead to more eaisly avalible equipment, I think there would be a limit thou. Generators couldn't be traded etc. I think that it might help the humans in a bunch of Unbalanced claims. Players could not trade to same Ip address characters would stop cheating and it could lead to characters traveling round Malton selling there wares which would be fun to see. My regards it's a great game and I've got a bunch of my freinds playing now too. Thanks from me and them [[User:Athur birling]]
:Heya. If you want to make a suggestion for an addition to the game you should go [[suggestions|here]]. In the meantime check out [[Frequently_Suggested#Giving_or_Trading_Items|this]] which explains why trading is generally seen as a bad idea. Anyway, welcome to the totally awesome UD wiki!--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 00:50, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
::The [http://www.urbandead.com/faq.html#trade FAQ] does hint at trading, but he also says it will take lots of thought. I imagine the coding would be nightmarish too. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 06:17, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
:::you know what link? you're alllllllllllllllllright.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 17:07, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 
Thanks {{unsigned|Athur birling}}
 
==Making a list? Checking it Twice?==
 
We getting a chrimbo update? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:53, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 
== Snow? ==
 
Are you hiding it under your cap? Or NO SNOW FOR MALTON WINTER 08'? I miss mah flakie friends! --[[User:Sockpuppie|Jelly Otter]] 21:19, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 
:[http://www.tshirthell.com/shirts/products/a841/a841.gif Al Gore was right]. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:27, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 
::I'd like to put in another vote for snow! I missed the fog this year at Halloween and the snow really added some nice flavour in my opinion. --[[User:Queen Mum|Queen Mum]] 00:57, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 
:::Need moar snow. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 04:08, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 
== what, no more newspapers?  ==
they don't seem to be showing up in hospitals anymore. got rid of them, eh? any chance of them coming back, i love smacking people with 'em! :) --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 03:14, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
:They should be somewhere else maybe? It was annoying with them in hospies. Luckily all ma guys have them already :) --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 04:06, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
::Still plenty of places to find [[newspapers]], guys. lrn2wiki. <tt>:P</tt> {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 23:29, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
:::No, there are no more newspapers in Hospitals. I search them often, and not in ages have I found a newspaper therein. Update that wiki page? --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 10:44, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
::::Same here. Seems safe to update. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 11:56, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 
== I can't smash Xmas lights??? ==
 
Those darned Whos! I hate them!! But seriously, the option to smash christmas lights in a ruined building is not available. This is blatant discrimination against zombie scrooges. I protest! --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:02, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
:My apologies. I figured it out. :) --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:15, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
 
== Hi ==
 
Hi, I'm a big fan. I finally found your talk page and I have a question, can you reinstall headshots in Monroeville as the humans think they can take down us zeds........--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 23:25, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
:Leaving nice messages for Kevan is fine, however we have a system for suggesting improvements. Please go to [[Developing_Suggestions|Developing Suggestions]] and suggest it there. --[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 19:31, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 
== Character Deleted ==
 
I wanted to make sure that this [[Fixed_Bugs#Teleport_across_Malton_and_level_0_account||bug]] was fixed but it appears that it is not fixed. If you are on the edge of Malton and go to http:urbandead.com/map.cgi?v=100-99 it will mess up your character. I did this with my charachter Yark and now whenever I log in I can't perform any actions with him, and it seems his skills have been deleted: http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=815674 --[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 20:06, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:No! Yark! =( -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 20:42, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
::Just replicated it by going from 0,99 to 0,100 in New Arkham with a random throwaway I just made: [http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1442227 Testy McTesterson]. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 20:46, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:::I hate to say it, I killed mister <span class="stealthexternallink">[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=142058 password]</span>. After more poking, I have observed even more; Couple of AP and permadeath, I'm the first to go from Spicer Hills to Dakerstown instantly. I'll work out more details when my IP hits refresh, as I just used a proxy that I didn't much like. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 01:42, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
::::<nowiki>:</nowiki>'( --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 04:38, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::password will live on. (and probably be revivificated) Also, what about 100-100? {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 05:56, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::[[:Image:Testy.jpg|We're alive!!]] =D We're level 0 and we've got a zombie chewing on us, but we're alive!! -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 15:16, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 
Fixed. I've dropped Yark into a random, secure building, and given the character 1000XP to get up and running again. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:05, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
:The bug? Or Yark? password and Testy are level 0.. The bug was interesting, odd behaviour, but it would be nice if after a server reset you could be free to move again. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 18:21, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
::The bug. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 18:32, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 
== Project Namespace ==
 
we have few projects, yet i was wondering if it wouldn't be interesting to have them in their own namespace. Thus projects like [[The Great Mall Project]] and [[ALiM]] would be located in [[Project:The Great Mall Project]] and [[Project:ALiM]]. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 11:00, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
:I'm not sure if there's a way around it, but "Project" is a builtin alias for whatever the name of the wiki is (here it's "UDWiki"). e.g. [[Project:Administration]] is the same as [[UDWiki:Administration]]. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 15:11, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
:: Darn, forgot about that. Maybe in the plural then, [[Projects:The Great Mall Project]] --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 15:40, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
:::That would just be confusing.--<span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Karek|Judge Karke]], self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All</span> 00:49, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
 
== Just Plain Vanity ==
 
Any chance of a {{Udspan|''' Dermot O'Leary was still alive and active one month into the Borehamwood quarantine.'''}} ? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:32, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 
== about the admin team ==
 
how do you feel about the current sysop team of the wiki ? do you have any problems with how we run things ? --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 11:52, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
:does he give a fuck? recent history would suggest probably not. Stop fishing for compliments hagnat. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 13:12, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
:okay that came out a little harsh, but i don't see why you want to bring kevan into this other than for your own gratification. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 13:13, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
::Hedging much? --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 13:30, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
:::It's pretty easy to predict what he's going to say. Why would he complain? You can't have nothing to do with your own games wiki then rock up and say 'i hate the way you people run it' and then disappear again. Unless he wants to get involved in the wiki again kevan ''can't'' say he has a problem with the way they run it. Although I'd be more than happy to be proven wrong. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:32, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
::::Easier than that, last time someone asked him to weigh in on promotions his response was that he basically didn't want his opinion brought into the matter. So No Comment is probably the best bet.--<span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Karek|Judge Karke]], self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All</span> 01:57, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
:Me? I'm just the guy who provides the hosting, here - I'll step in if there are server issues, or if a rogue bureaucrat locks the wiki down, but everything else is up to the community. If I wanted to have a say in wiki policy, or who should and shouldn't be a sysop, I'd already be doing that. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:39, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
::J3D 1, haggy, zerrro. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:43, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Hey, he gives a fuck about how the community is run. He just won't say how much or what he gives a fuck about. :D --[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k-QHA-QAMY <span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>] <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span></small> 02:20, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
I think Hagnat's concerned for his sysop status. I would be too if I was a ''trusted user'' that was acting against the wishes of the community. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:41, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
:Stop right there Iscariot! I am sick and tired of you constantly saying that every sysop on the team is going agaisnt the wishes of the community! Most of the community never has a problem with the current admin team, and when they do it's rarely a huge problem. Now you come on Kevan's page and still continue the bad mouthing. Just face it, no matter what you will never be pleased with the administration and so you will constantly have to pretend that the whole community is on your side so that you will feel right in your head.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 01:45, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
:::How many people are there playing the game? How many are on this wiki? Yes, some people don't have time to spend on anything other than playing the game, but how many people are putting hours a day into the meta game and ''still'' won't touch this wiki without an exceptional reason? And how many of those people have told you that the current administration team is one of the primary reasons? My total ''will'' beat yours. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:52, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
::::The wiki is an information source. Almost everything is explained in game when you encounter it (1st death, 1st Rez. etc.) So, not every one needs to touch the wiki or even use it as a resource.
::::The wiki is the worst place to organize and meta-game. Just ask DHPD. When we were just Project:T.I.M.E. (well, before the Dead/DoDH) we were seriously outnumbered by them, but because they had all of their profiles linked on here and updated where they were going to be and who they were working with and so on we knew enough about them to take them out. The wiki shouldn't be for the meta-game it should be for information. That's why most groups of note have an off site forum to metagame.  You can't blame the current staff because people have figured out that giving away too much information on their groups is bad thing.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 14:40, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::That has so little to do with what iscariot said.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 23:56, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
::Get it off Kevan's page. He doesn't need to be bothered with a dispute between users. Have it out on each others talk pages, or even mine, just don't start bringing it here. Okay?--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k-QHA-QAMY <span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 01:50, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
:::I know, I'm sorry. I just wanted to counter Iscariot's comment because I know exactly what he's trying to accomplish by posting that. I, unlike Iscariot, am done here now.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 01:54, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Much as I hate the way Iscariot is going about his crusade I have to say he does have a point. The sysop team probably does not represent the view of even a large minority of players and that explains why so few players contribute. Not that i think its all the Admin teams fault, but the rules they follow and enforce reflect a community that no longer exist. Most sysops were promoted long before most current players even heard of the game yet the tag "trusted user" is still attached to the title "SYSOP". Few current wiki users vouched for them and fewer still of the actual player base and yet they still cling to positions claiming that "popular" votes undermine the system! They are right that popularity does not mean competence but... Franky i find it a bit odd that sysops can claim the label "trusted user" and not be willing to allow the community to confirm that label. Look back to Conn's promotion bid, or Boxy's or Hagnats or even Kareks and even without checking i can say with confidence that at least half those that vouched are no longer active.... Now i personally '''Would''' vouch for them all but my point is that they were not voted in by the current community and the claims that they are trusted users wear very thin in light of the fact that they do not seem willing to trust the communities opinion on pretty much any issue!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 02:15, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
::::The sysop team doesn't have to represent the view of a large majority of players, it only has to represent the view of the wiki community. Whenever I play a browser game I don't always sign up to their forums/wiki/whatever they have. A large portion of users probably won't bother contributing to the wiki because so many other users already are. If I was to ask you, "what needs contributing to on the wiki?", I'm sure you probably won't have many answers. The only things of note are suggestions and suburb reports, and not everybody is interested in that (and the drama which comes with each of them). - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">02:26/16/01/2009</span>]]'''
::::::I have a few, if you want a list feel free to pester me some time.--<span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Karek|Judge Karke]], self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All</span> 02:29, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::I agree that the only bits of the wiki that interest most players are the Maps, suggestions and suburb reports (I include maps because i assumed you had forgotten them?) that said i do think that the system is set up to support the views of long time players (contributors) rather than the new players who are actually the lifeblood of the game. While obviously the wiki needs to pay some attention to long time editors like me,wan,cyberbob,ahlg,etc... i would think it would be far more important to promote the wiki to new uers. I still play (and i hope/assume that those named do too) and i would hope that everyone on the admin team does to but it has to be said that without change the game becomes dull and people leave. If the wiki and its admin team does not reflect the changing demographic of the game it is missing what is surely a fundemental point for its existence?--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 02:40, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I remembered the maps, but I did not include them because there is very little to nothing which a new user can contribute to (which is what I'm focusing on). I agree, we should encourage new users to join and contribute, however most of the other work is maintence which doesn't exactly draw the crowd. If you have an idea which would encourage new productive users to sign up then I'ld like to hear it. I'ld be more then happy to help flesh out any ideas you may have. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">02:50/16/01/2009</span>]]'''
::::::::I think my wiki Urban Dead game could draw in some people to play. They could even make their own once I finish the template. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 03:41, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 
== Autoconfirmed group ==
 
Hi Kevan. Just want to ask a quick question. We've had a couple of policies about setting up an autoconfirmed group recently and I thought it might be a good idea to check in with you about it. Depending on the result of [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion/Autoconfirmed Group Trial|this policy]] would you been willing to implement an autoconfirmed group on the wiki as a trial to see how we get on with it? -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 14:58, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
:No problem. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:59, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks. =) -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 16:02, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 
 
== Quick Questions ==
Sorry to take up your time, but I'm just wandering what you think of the games on the Related Games page. (ie, Nexus War, Shartak, Outbreak, etc). Also on Shartak, Leaky Blocks (It's creator) said that you encouraged Shartak's developement and that you play shartak. Is that true?--[[User:Gamestriker4|Gamestriker4]] 15:34, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
:Shartak's the only spinoff I've played, and yes, Simon/Leaky is an old friend of mine. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:36, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 
== Why no chainsaws ==
 
:''content moved to [[User_talk:Jakezing|Jakezing talk page]]''
 
== Updating the Wiki software, 2.0 ==
 
The wiki software, as it stands, is two years old (ish, in the coming month.) As well as the obvious bugfixes and minor changes that can't be gone into detail here, 1.13.3 of MediaWiki has some useful new features that we could use:
*Expiry dates on page protections
*Finer control over permissions and permission assignment (e.g. Assigning the ability to remove only certain groups)
*Ability to merge page histories
*AJAX-based page watching and a bunch of usability improvements (User information when viewing a deleted revision, predefined deletion reasons, useful links in various places, etc.)
*Image undeletion enabled by default
*A prettier [[Special:Specialpages|list of special pages]] (compare to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:SpecialPages Wikipedia's])
 
There are heaps of other changes-you can look at the release notes linked [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/News here]. I know that updating the server will take some time, but it would be nice if you could add it to your busy schedule.
 
<sub>I stole some of that list from [[User:The General|The General]] above</sub>
 
--{{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 07:15, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 
:Would this increase information between the server and peers= server load increase? {{User:Liberty/Sign}} 12:49, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
::I don't think so. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 17:30, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
::I can't see how it would, but I can't say for sure. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 00:16, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 
:It's on the to-do list. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 16:31, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
::Awesome, thanks.--<font face="Pristina"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel -</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 16:32, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks Kevan. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 00:55, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 
What's your view on adding extensions to the wiki? I'm not talking anything specific here, just in general. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 23:48, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 
== Xmas ==
 
Xmas is over, and there are clearly no more Xmas decorations or trees, but the update message was not changed, and there is still the option to hold onto Xmas decorations if found.  Perhaps removing that option (and next year posting when Xmas is over) would be helpful?  Thanks.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 13:14, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
:Don't take away my Christmas trees... --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 21:52, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
:Christmas trees have been a vehicle for meta-challenges and games when they do pop up. It's fun flavor even in the middle of the year. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 01:26, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
:The [[Christmas Tree Dead Pool]] and the [[Christmas Tree Dead Pool II]] are a couple examples. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 03:32, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
::In sounds like you guys think I am requesting trees be removed altogether.  I am not.  I mean, the announcement still exists on the main page about the trees and light being available, even though they no longer are, so I am suggesting cycling the announcement to something "current".--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 22:09, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 
== Snow ==
 
Perhaps I have missed something, but did the livestock and industry prevent snowfall last winter? {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 22:56, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 
==Misconduct Case Feb 2009==
A user has brought a case over on [[UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#The_Entire_Sysop_Team.2C_excluding_Kevan_and_.22Urbandead.22|the Administration: Misconduct page]] that indicts every member of the administration team except your personal account and the Urban Dead admin account also controlled by yourself. Due to the obvious problems with ruling on cases in which you are also a named party, none of the current administration team may rule on the case (that is if they conform to the community's policies). Would it be possible for you to quickly look over the case and either rule misconduct or not misconduct to prevent unnecessary fall out? -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 17:54, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:Pretty sure Kevan isn't going to buy into this shit fyi --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 18:06, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::I think you're mistaking me for Read. Fact is, that case is going to sit there for a couple of weeks whilst you and he debate the finer points of whatever it is you discuss. If an involved sysop (as they all are) removes it then we're asking for drama. Kevan can spend five minutes and solve the whole thing for the community, even if he just states that he declines to get involved and rule, which will obviously mean that the sysops cannot be found guilty of misconduct and this will allow the case to be archived. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:16, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::I may have to agree with Iscariot here. Getting Kevan to say something, anything, will be the only way to end the case without pissing off Read and causing him to file another misconduct case to whomever is the sysop responsible for breaking procedure and then causing a '''huge''' wave of drama, and we all know he's chomping at the bit for something truly substantial to hit the administration with.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 18:23, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::The amount of drama someone causes is only as much as everyone else allows them to (I wasn't mistaking you for Read btw Iscariot; I wasn't intending to implicate you whatsoever). If nobody feeds the troll he will eventually starve to death. --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 18:30, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::My opinions on Read, yourself, the sysop team and Santa Claus aren't involved here. The simple fact that allowing the precedent of an involved party to remove a case shouldn't be something we're striving for. Personally I'd rather have Kevan rule, and I think we all know which way. However provided that Kevan publicly responds in some way, even if that response is ''"I'm not ruling, I don't get involved"'', then we have a way to remove the case validly. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:40, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::kk --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 18:43, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Read was irrelevant, he wouldn't have continued it and Iscariot has no intentions here but to try and cause said drama. It's what he always does, jumping on something someone else made and perverting it for his own attempts at causing needless drama and faux rebellion to stroke his ego that the sysops who punish him for his actions aren't trusted by the community. The validity of the case was never relevant to his trying to stir shit, neither was the legitimacy of any action a sysop could take in response to it, to him it's all gonna be called abuse. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:14, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:Not seeing any reason to get involved here; either the misconduct system is poorly worded, or it's being misinterpreted. You shouldn't be able to accuse all but one sysop of misconduct, and allow that one sysop to judge the rest. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 23:11, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::yase, justice have prevailed --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 23:22, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 
== Possible Massive Zerging in Dunell Hills ==
 
About three days ago a large number of new characters all called "TheDeadDie" (i.e., TheDeadDie1 http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1467702, TheDeadDie15 http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1467737, etc.) started appearing in Dunell Hills.  The first the DHPD heard of it was this iWitness report.
 
http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/02-10-09_2000hrs_PUBLIC/IN_5-36_zergertown_a5d-400-1db.html
 
There are now, apparently, over 100 of these characters.
 
Obviously there is an outside possibility this is a large group of new players but, on the whole, it looks like zerging on a massive scale.
 
The DHPD are currently trying to find out more about the situation and deal with it.  We thought we should give you a heads up, however, in case there was something obvious in the server logs that would provide definitive proof of zerging and allow swift action to be taken at your end.  We understand that you normally prefer to keep out of zerging cases, but this looks pretty outrageous to us and we thought you should, at least, know about it.  [[User:Louise|Louise]] 11:39, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:Aye, [[HKL]] ran into this bunch as well and were pretty put-off. [http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/02-11-09_0200hrs_PRIVATE/IN_5-36_Dead_Zerg_Rush__a51-c5d-8a0.html Another iWitness] with even more of them crowded in. Profile search for [http://profiles.urbandead.net/index.php?name=TheDeadDie* TheDeadDie*] shows 102 of them at the moment. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 12:03, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
::zergs like that are usually a flash in the pan.  10 bucks says they all idle out before level 3--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 15:56, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 
== Possible big ass Zerg in Yagoton ==
 
Ok: We have ALOT of Fing lvl 1 free runnerfs hiding in St. Swithuns (which i am guessing you know is a revive point), its caded thanks to the idiots trying ot take over: and I'm guessing this mass colection of lvl 1 free runners (they all have free running only) are bots? They all joined around the exact same time as well.
 
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471315
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471341
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471355
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471480
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471498
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471519
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=163604
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471488
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471501
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471488
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471358
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471347.
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471324
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471331
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471350
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471366
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471492
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471504
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471367
:Those are the links, srry bout stretching but i forget which one tabs it into a Number.
::Heres a picture of them all in one area. http://i43.tinypic.com/2lwr7k1.jpg
:::Srry bout the mess this is making on the talk.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 01:52, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Take the list to resensitized, that's about all that you can do. --[[User:Johnny Bass|Johnny Bass]] 05:24, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
::One question about that picture. Where'd you get a version of UDToolbar that works with the latest version of Firefox? --{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 08:43, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
:::I just downloaded one? What's different about it? Also theres even more zergs now.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 13:49, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Jake, unlike how some folks would be I'll be nice here...Kev doesn't do anything about Zergs from info received on the wiki. as a matter of fact Kevan doesn't do a whole lot unless there was a significant amount of community input via the suggestions page and even then it is at his leisure. The Zerg issue is pretty much handled by other folks on the resens list and even then its pretty catch as catch can. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 19:34, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::No wonder UD fail so hard.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 00:39, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::As many have said before, if you don't like it, then leave. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 00:42, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I think he has sadism issues, as we try and try to get him to leave, but he always keeps coming back for moar abuse. It's sad really.--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 00:53, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::You can tell me to go but that doesnt give you the power to make it happen.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 04:37, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::I'm not telling you to leave, but it would probably be a good decision if you think UD fails. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 15:03, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::That's masochism, not sadism. --{{User:William Told/Sig}} 01:36, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 
== Random Request ==
 
Next time you create a new city, any chance of bringing back the junkyard and wirecutters combo? Cheers. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:28, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 
 
==TOU/S==
Do we have a Terms of use/service page? I've been looking for a while, and I don't seem to see one. It'd be nice if we did, because then we'd know things that are expressly forbidden due to hosting issues and the like.--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 16:06, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
:If you cannot find it: it does not exist.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 22:02, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
::Oh piss off. No one is fooled by your act, so please just fuck off. Kevan? Do we have a list of things that are forbidden due to country laws, hosting issues, etc. or not (Not necessarily meaning it's available on this site, but one that you know about that pertains to the wiki)? I mean, yeah there are a few "duh" sort of ones, like no kiddie porn and stuff, but others I have no idea about. Any help?--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 01:50, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
:::[http://whois.domaintools.com/urbandead.com This site] (domain tools,) says that [http://www.as29550.net/ this] is his ISP, server located in England. The ISP has an "Abuse of TOS" email address, so presumably they have a TOS, although I can't find it. I have no idea about English law. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 02:00, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
::::From time on another, more combative, site I have a layman's understanding of British Law as it applies to defamation, slander, libel and the nature of physical threats and illegal actions that appertain to the settlement of the aforementioned. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 02:14, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::A brief education by the University of Google finds no such laws relating to death threats, but I would imagine that such a law would be buried deep in things like criminal codes. If it comes to it, I'll ask one of my teachers about the (Australian) legal system when it comes to these things, or one of my parents (both lawyers.) That said, that's ''Australian'' law, but our law is pretty similar to that of the UK. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 02:23, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::When was I putting on an act? Don't insult me on something if said claim has no backup.
*":If you cannot find it: it does not exist." Explain just where the "Act" is in that line?--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 04:43, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 
== [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion/Semi-protection|Semi-protection]] ==
 
...Was approved. I think all you have to do is change the autoconfirmed group to 1 week and 25 edits. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 02:51, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

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ENORMOUS BOT PROBLEM

Kevan, this wiki is literally being overrun with bots. It was a pain enough when there were about 10 a day, now there are sometimes 10+ an hour. There'd have to be something you can do about this? Please? DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 00:05, 28 March 2012 (BST)

Kevan, I agree with DDR that something should be done to help minimize spambot edits. Here are some tips from MediaWiki on combating wiki spam. The ConfirmEdit extention we have installed on this wiki could be slightly reconfigured to prevent all non-autoconfirmed users (users with less than 25 edits or one week from user creation) from adding urls. Sysops can even create a whitelist of urls which would be allowed. Use of the expression $wgSpamRegex would also dramatically help reduce spam. It's hard to make spam go away for good but with just a few adjustments to the existing wiki software, it can be greatly reduced. ~Vsig.png 05:34, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Ban the ips guys. 300 bots checked, only 50 unique IPs with an average of three registrations per visit. About two thirds were already banned by other sysops. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 10:44, 28 March 2012 (BST)
*cough*GeneralSpiderzedVapor*cough* --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 13:58, 28 March 2012 (BST)
Oh well if its only 50 unique IPs, it must not be a problem... Manually blocking spambot iPs is a band-aid fix at best; a knee-jerk process unofficially put in place in response to the fact that some of the current spambots are inexplicably reusing IP adresses rather than proxies. It will ultimately prove fruitless. On the other hand, the suggestions I've posted above have been researched and dicussed by members of this community, and they are suggested setting by MediaWiki devs. The discussion pages for the pages I've linked above are also chalk full of other great suggestions from wiki admins that are suffering the same problems as us. These spam blocking processes are well worth looking into and implementing. ~Vsig.png 15:39, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
This is how spambots generally function actually. Botnets rarely have access to tor or other proxies and generally use userowned servers that are one use in part because it can actually check if it's already banned on an initial test account. We also actually have most of the tools you listed but it's generally irrelevant to botservs what the url is because if they're doing it for profit at this level they normally have enough domains that we couldn't really get an effective list together anyway without just up and up blocking ALL external URLs. The name of the game is backlinging but the bots don't normally check if they're actually getting the backlinks. If you want to effectively target these sites to stop them appearing you could always try reporting them to google but that won't make our spam load smaller. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 19:32, 28 March 2012 (BST)
Blocking all external urls is exactly one of the methods that has been suggested. But only for non-autoconfirmed users and only urls not whitelisted (all commonly used domains like urbandead.com would be allowed regardless of user status). Again, manually blocking spambot IPs isn't something we be should relying on. Not when so many other options are available. It really would just be a matter of adjusting two or three already present regular expressions. ~Vsig.png 04:33, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
My point was more that none of the solutions suggested actually fix the problem. They also generally don't need his involvement. Now adding a honeypot would be a solution that might help and would require action on Kevin's part, alternatively we could try and use the already existing whitelist and blacklist functions which were actually added back when 3pwv was an actual problem but, as I stated above, they wouldn't actually help overly much in this case beyond banning all nicks ending in numbers. Also, as a note, on your link what they actually suggest is a honeypot method in addition to the other methods as those are for additional security for unlisted or advanced bots. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 10:59, 29 March 2012 (BST)
Also worth note: $wgSPAMRegex is nothing more than another whitelist for text. It's not actually any more useful without a generic bot template spamming you. In the end it all boils down to the most inclusive lists and tricking the bot on registration. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 11:08, 29 March 2012 (BST)
sigh...Karek, my suggestions above were the culmination of research, testing and discussion on other parts of the wiki. The community wants stricter spam blocking but its going to require a few minor changes on the server end. Let's just let the man look it over and decide without muddying the waters, please. ~Vsig.png 15:21, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
Yes and my response is from years of this plus dealing with this problem on multiple other wiki's in Kevin's role. The point is to save him time, specifically, what he needs to do to have any real effect is an autoupdated list or honeypot like the lists from stopforumspam. Everything else won't actually do much anything and with the current bots most definitely will not have an effect. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 23:08, 29 March 2012 (BST)

I've added the autoupdated DNS blacklist, and am just putting a honeypot in place now. --Kevan 17:21, 24 May 2012 (BST)

Thanks, Kevan. It seems to be working....maybe a bit too well. I just tried creating a new account and I got a blocked by DNSBL message. Its the same IP I'm using to edit right now, too. ~Vsig.png 01:09, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
Odd, I thought it was using the same check for edits as for new accounts. Say if people think it should be switched off, or using different blacklists; it's currently just the Spamhaus and Tornevall DNS blacklists suggested by MediaWiki. --Kevan 09:12, 25 May 2012 (BST)
Yes, it is kind of odd. For me, the culprit is Spamhaus. My IP is part of a range that is on their pbl dnsbl. Apparently its a policy for my ISP. I'll send you a private email with more info. ~Vsig.png 15:30, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

I've now switched to sbl.spamhaus.org, and have replaced the ReCAPTCHA with QuestyCaptcha. It'll only kick in on account creation, for now (so we may still see some spam from sleeper bots), but we'll see what hapens. If we want to ratchet up QuestyCaptcha to interrogate all edits that add links, let me know. --Kevan 16:30, 25 May 2012 (BST)

The new dnsbl does seem less restrictive. I was able to create an account, at least. Questy worked like it was supposed to. I like that it is based on game related things. In the time since it has changed, we haven't received any spam edits, where regularly we would have had more than a dozen. I'm feeling good that you've foiled a good lot of them and we'll be removed from whichever target lists we were on. Cheers! ~Vsig.png 00:37, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
Hey Kevan, perhaps it is time to ratchet up QuestyCaptcha as you suggested above. Looks like the bots have found a way around it. I imagine the Captcha answers were leaked to spam forums. Not sure how else the bots are getting around it. If there is a way to prevent non-autoconfirmed users from adding external links (except those on a whitelist), it might help as well. We're not getting quite as many bot edits as we were before your last updates, but it's starting to get annoying again. ~Vsig.png 20:24, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
Before I say anything else, thank you sincerely for the previous measures you took, since I can't imagine how much worse it would be without them. But, of course, I'm not just here to say "thank you" (though I do really mean it; thanks again), since if you check the list of recently created accounts, at least at a glance it looks like around 90-95% of them are spam accounts, and in November alone we made over 300 IP blocks on spammers.
If it's possible to ratchet up QuestyCaptcha to interrogate non-autoconfirmed users whenever they post a link, I suspect that would handle a lot of the actual spam that is still getting posted, though we'd be left with hundreds of sleeper accounts pouring in every month, which isn't exactly desirable either. Unfortunately, I don't have any great solutions at the moment. Aichon 16:34, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Following up on this, we've recently seen what appears to be a fresh start to the mass-spamming, and it's becoming a major problem again, with more bans happening in the last 10 days than in the last several years combined. As documented here and here, we're currently in the middle of an ongoing-at-this-moment spam campaign that's seen about 400 pages deleted and 300 blocks implemented in the last 7 hours alone. And this is a followup from a similar attack that happened a little over a week ago with about as many blocks. The IP addresses seem to be from all over the place, so IP blocks have been of limited use (though they have helped).

Any chance you could take a look at the wiki's built-in countermeasures? I'm not sure what improvements make sense or are possible, but it looks as if it may be time for an upgrade. Aichon 22:14, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

This would be greatly appreciated Kevan. This issue is currently becoming more problematic than ever before as there are sometimes 10 a minute now, and though they have slowed down they are still appearing over the space of about 9+ hours straight. A ZOMBIE ANT 23:02, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
New Questy questions would probably be the simplest and most effective solution, though not permanent. Eventually those would be cracked and posted somewhere. The idea of required captcha on external links by non-aotoconfirmed users would prevent a lot of spam at least, though I don't know how possible it is. ~Vsig.png 01:08, 4 February 2016, The year of our lord (UTC)
Not sure how helpful the external link prevention would be — a lot of the bots seem to be posting no links, just blocks of text clearly intended to boost Google ranking. Also IP range blocks have been minimally effective as the attacks are being run from IP addresses spread across the planet (possibly a botnet?) Bob Moncrief EBDW! 03:37, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
Okay, I've just switched out the QuestyCaptcha questions for some new ones. Let me know if there are any particular countermeasures (or extra blacklists for $wgDnsBlacklistUrls) which you think would make a difference. --Kevan (talk) 20:04, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, Kevan. These other guys have been staying on top of it. I'm sure they'll let you know if it doesn't improve. ~Vsig.png 22:30, 5 February 2016, The year of our lord (UTC)

One thing we sys-ops could do in the meantime is to update MediaWiki:Titleblacklist. "Mcafee", "telephone", "office" and "antivirus" (and variations caught with regex) should already weed out a great number of current bot pages. Check the documentation for how to. -- Spiderzed 18:30, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

I think "phone" and "telephone" are probably bad words to blacklist, given that there is at least one active group with the word in its name, plus the in-game telephone system. Bob Moncrief EBDW! 18:45, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
I set it to autoconfirmed. Old users won't notice, and hampered users could always ask any autoconfirmed user to create the page. We could drop those two in a week to check if the bots are still around. -- Spiderzed 18:47, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Kevan. Can you work your magic on the latest bot issue? It has been surging lately and is getting hard to keep up. The sysops also seem to have lost all IP check and blocking abilities. Thanks. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 15:55, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Sorry to hear it, I've rotated a new set of captcha questions in. --Kevan (talk) 09:35, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Archive

I archived your talk page, hope you don't mind but it was starting to get out of hand after almost 3 years. It was getting obnoxiously long, more importantly I was experiencing some noticeable strain on multiple PC's I used when loading this page. You can find the new archive here. -- Cat Pic.png Thadeous Oakley Talk 14:31, 1 May 2012 (BST)

Thanks. --Kevan 09:31, 25 June 2012 (BST)

This is not, the greatest game in the world...

Just wondered whether you used "You search and find nothing" as a tribute to the song of the same name in Beneath a Steel Sky? --Rosslessness 21:53, 21 June 2012 (BST)

Loved the game at the time, but no, just a coincidence. --Kevan 09:31, 25 June 2012 (BST)
Current available for free on GOG.com Yes. I'm no better than a spambot. --Rosslessness 17:15, 25 June 2012 (BST)

Also

Deadset.PNG Borehamwood

Population: 11058
Current Population
0 standing survivors
5 standing zombies


Now it's dead, can we open up new character creation again?

I'd love to do some three year old repairs. --Rosslessness 15:55, 23 June 2012 (BST) Like.png 3 people like this comment.

Afraid not - the contract with Channel Four specifically involved removing access to new characters once the promotion was over. Same deal for Monroeville. --Kevan 09:31, 25 June 2012 (BST)
Ooh, there's an interesting titbit. As you're so chatty, can I ask how many man hours went into setting up the new cities? --Rosslessness 17:16, 25 June 2012 (BST)
Two or three days, including the research? I wasn't billing it per hour, so I don't really remember. --Kevan 13:30, 29 June 2012 (BST)
Including the layout planning? How did that work? Its not all Randomly generated surely? (Last question I promise)--Rosslessness 14:16, 29 June 2012 (BST)
Partly. Apart from the unique locations and some manual tinkering, the maps were just drawn out as zoned areas, and the urban areas were generated randomly within the spaces assigned to them. --Kevan 14:21, 29 June 2012 (BST)
as you seem to have some time to answer stuff: are we likely to see any new cities or attempts to attract new players? --Honestmistake 23:15, 30 June 2012 (BST)
Dammit, you broke Kevan D: --RadicalWhig 09:35, 8 July 2012 (BST)

Hi Kevan

Would it be possible to get a few wiki-things installed? Namely, InputBox. I don't have a clue how easy or difficult this would be. There was a discussion on this, and people also wanted collapsable tables; I'm not sure if they require installing anything. We gave things a try on our end but couldn't get anything to work. Karek said something about jQuery. I have no idea what that means. Thanks. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 02:49, 25 July 2012 (BST)

It means he'll have to do a version update to be able to implement that particular feature as it is in standard MediaWiki releases. InputBox shouldn't have this issue and looks to be designed with backwards compatibility in mind up until major version differences. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 06:03, 25 July 2012 (BST)

Actually Kevan, on some Show Preview testing on Wikipedia, I couldn't get it to work the way I wanted to. I wanted to be able to enter text into the field, hit enter, and have it take me straight to that page, in the User namespace, with a particular user name, and as a subpage—say, to User:A Helpful Little Gnome/what I typed in. Doesn't seem to work like that. Oh well. Hope I didn't waste any of your time. Thanks. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 01:12, 31 July 2012 (BST)

Perhaps I'm overreacting...

But a kiddie diddler has raised his wretched head. Just pointing it out. Perhaps you can track him and introduce him to authorities? Don't know if you can track who puts up spraypaint messages, but it might be a good idea. http://duke.a-comics.ru/dude.php?id=252553&confirm=c60ee2087d901c434d49b6f122ceb63c

Oh, and hi. Nice to meet you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Necrofeelinya (talkcontribs) 05:33, August 5, 2012.

Zerging Countermeasures

Do please tell everyone once again just how effective they are. http://iamscott.net/1349708179916.html --Papa Moloch 16:24, 8 October 2012 (BST)

In other news, people tend to die when shot. More at 11. --RadicalWhig 20:13, 8 October 2012 (BST)

Halloween

Thanks.x --Ross Less Ness Enter Stranger... 01:15, 28 October 2012 (BST)

Come to Hell Rising for fog... er, MIST... candy, and our yearly one-time-only weapon. :P · Amazingphobia 03:17, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
Or check out Scroll Wars and kill our Halloween-Exclusive NPCs for Halloween item drops that change every year. :P :P · Amazingphobia 03:18, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
Forgive my ignorance, Ross, but just what are you thanking him for? --Klexur 03:25, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
I think it's more a reminder to do something for Halloween... --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 03:39, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
Or maybe Stale Candy and/or masks made a reappearance early? I haven't checked, so I couldn't say. Aichon 03:49, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
At least Hildebrand Mall has no stale candy currently, so I doubt that. -- Spiderzedâ–ˆ 12:36, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Err Kevan, it's October not November. http://www.urbandead.com/news.html Gordon 14:43, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Halloween!

Thanks!x --Ross Less Ness Enter Stranger... 14:50, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Seconded! --xensyriaT 18:42, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
Third -- →Son of Sin← 20:45, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
Fourth-ed-ed! Really like the disguise feature. --Queen Mum 01:06, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Christmas!

Merry Christmas you old Devil! Hope the season's treating you well, and you completed your deck of games! --Ross Less Ness Enter Stranger... 00:27, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

A winter wonderland

Happy 2013 good sir. Hope the weather is treating you well and that the server isn't completely frozen over. For the first time in ages we've got a peer reviewed suggestion that looks like it might actually work. After all it's only changing one number. What could possibly go wrong? --Rosslessness 13:42, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

© Kevan Davis, 2005-2012

Every year I remind you about this. You'll thank me in 2113. --Rosslessness 19:09, 12 March 2013 (UTC)


HI MR. DAVIS!!!!!!

Hello I have some questions to ask,

1. Are you planning on making any game updates anytime soon?

2. Are you making a new city

3. If so is it coming out to coincide with WWZ

4. Are you planning on advertising for Urban Dead to help combat the fewer numbers of players in Malton?

5. The copyright thing says 2005-2012 does that mean the copyright is now worthless ?

6. Those are the only questions that i will ask for now

--Founder7 21:38, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

1. LOL
2. LOL
3. LOL
4. LOL
5. LOL
6. LOL?
--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS DORISFlag.jpg LOE ZHU | Яezzens 02:54, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
Oh dear... A ZOMBIE ANT 22:29, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
Just to offer a constructive response quickly since you're unlikely to get one from the other wiki folks, the previous cities that Kevan created were done for promotional reasons. He was being paid by the makers of Dead Set to make Borehamwood and was paid by the Diary of the Dead folks to make Monroeville. So, unless the WWZ folks want to pay him as well, it's unlikely that he'll open up a new city for them. As for copyrights, even if the years aren't updated, they still remain effective for the entire life of the artist (Kevan, in this case) plus something like 75 years after his death, give or take a few, for most developed countries. As for the rest, I'm sure we'd all like to know that sort of stuff, but I wouldn't bet on an answer, nor is it really our business. Aichon 23:56, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Griefing / zerg characters

There are several universal characters being used in order to grief. Please delete or ban these characters:

- mypasswordispassword

- mypasswordishowdy

- mypasswordispenis

- mypasswordisgay

- password

- thepassislol

There may be others with a similar bent. If anyone knows of them, feel free to add. In the meantime, please help to use up their AP in random directions. They're currently being used by some of the Raines Hills zergers like William Harrington and Doc Savage. Thanks! --Herr Gerdongerdorf 01:17, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

just chiming in to say Don't Ban mypasswordispassword. We all have good memories of that chap. And anyone who says they haven't is lying. Just like about the fappening. A ZOMBIE ANT 06:20, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Wiki Data Corruption

Hey Kevan, hope all is well. I was hoping you could take a look at this discussion and maybe shed some light on the situation. We think maybe some data became corrupt during a server host change. Looks pretty wide-spread. A project page has been created to help organize efforts to manually fix the corrupted data, but we're hoping it may not be needed if you're able to do anything about it on your end. Cheers. ~Vsig.png 14:14, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

What is the status on the rollback? Up to this point, all pages with new revisions past February 18 have been categorised into Category:Hoddmimis Holt for easy export and import, and all new image files have been saved to be re-uploaded later. All you would need to do would be to put the wiki in read-only mode, export everything from Category:Hoddmimis Holt and then to rollback. -- Spiderzed 16:15, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
Should be going ahead soon. A copy of the current wiki will be kept around for public reference for a few weeks if anything else needs to be reuploaded or cleaned up manually. --Kevan 22:24, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
One change I have noticed re-uploading files: Maximum file size has been changed to 100MB, and the non-image formats tar, pdf and zip are now legal. It used to be 2MB and image-files only. -- Spiderzed 12:33, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
Have dropped the unneccessary formats. The size limit had to be bumped to support the size of the import; it should be back down to 2MB in practice, I'm not sure where MediaWiki is getting 100MB from. --Kevan 13:01, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing the wiki, Kevan. Ironically, your talk page seems to be one of the only pages that still has data corruption issues. I'm guessing it was exported/imported with errors. ~Vsig.png 15:13, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
Yes, definitely thanks indeed! (and Simon too) --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 00:21, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Hey Kevan

New-ish player here. Just joined the wiki, wanted to say hi and thank you. Fun game!

Checkuser

Hey Kevan, we sys-ops have noticed that CheckUser (the special page for checking and searching by IP) is gone, as is the previously existing user group checkuser. That seriously cramps our style for effectively keeping spambots down and weeding out sockpuppets. Mind to take a look at it? -- Spiderzed 13:52, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Sorry about that, I didn't realise it was missing, and just assumed it was baked into MediaWiki these days. I've now installed it and it looks like it's picked up the previous checkuser group correctly. --Kevan (talk) 18:10, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
I can confirm it's working. We appear to have lost our checkuser logs which previously stretched back for several years, but it's rare that we ever needed the logs from that far back, so I doubt it will impact us. Aichon 18:42, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks Kevan, have a merry Christmas!--Rosslessness 21:16, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
Kudos for the quick help. Merry christmas! -- Spiderzed 01:43, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
I concur with these previous sentiments. Merry Christmas Kevan and thank you ever-so-much for keeping Urban Dead (and therefore my sanity) going. I'd be lost without Urban Dead. -- TheBardofOld 02:05, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Survey

Hey Kevan, how long will the survey be open? (I may need to dig a bit through old suggestions to find the best ones.) - (Also disappointed in there being no option for PKer as playing style for characters. I guess they would go into survivor, as they try to stay alive?) -- Spiderzed 19:46, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

At least a week, will see whether it's still getting many replies at that point. --Kevan (talk) 11:32, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

E-Mailing on the wiki

Hey Kevan, the e-mail services on this wiki don't seem to function anymore. A user recently experienced trouble with receiving mails to reset their wiki account. I have tested sending them and myself a mail through the E-Mail User feature, and it didn't result in a sent mail either. I suspect something has been broken on the technical side beyond the reach of us sys-ops. -- Spiderzed 19:23, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

AP not regenerating in permadeath cities

Hey Kevan I’ve recieved reports that characters hitting a certain negative ap level in permadeath cities are no longer regaining ap. I will email with specific numbers and profiles. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 19:51, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

For hilarities sake, can you give me a ballpark of how negative AP you're getting? A ZOMBIE ANT 23:19, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
high enough to make it a death sentence if I share details here. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 23:38, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello Kevan, I wanted to inform you that the Paypal buttons on https://urbandead.com/donate.html are defunct. -- Spiderzed 19:45, 10 April 2022 (UTC)