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| #Within two weeks of a nomination, the group must be approved by 2/3 of the voters, with a minimum of 15 voters for a nomination to pass. The only allowable votes are '''Yes''' and '''No'''. | | #Voting will last for exactly two weeks following nomination. To be successful, a group must be approved by 2/3 of eligible voters to pass. A minimum of 15 votes must be cast for the vote to be valid. The only allowable votes are '''Yes''' and '''No'''. |
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| #Groups must allow a week to pass between nominations. | | #Groups must allow a week to pass between nominations. |
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| When nominating a group, please add a note to [[Template:Wiki News]] and add {{CodeInline|<nowiki>{{HistoricalGroupVoting}}</nowiki>}} to the top of the group's page. | | When nominating a group, please add a note to [[Template:Wiki News]] and add {{CodeInline|<nowiki>{{HistoricalGroupVoting}}</nowiki>}} to the top of the group's page. Also, please add {{CodeInline|<nowiki>{{HistoricalVotingRules}}</nowiki>}} under the group's application for historical status. |
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| ===[[Detulux_Inc]]===
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| [[Detulux_Inc]] has disbanded (per news banner on their [http://detuluxinc.proboards.com/index.cgi? forum]) but was a longtime presence in the Kempsterbank area, contributing much to the general fun level for survivor and zombie alike.
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| # Yes - Nominator vote. - {{User:Marcusfilby/sig}} 21:14, 17 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''No''' - Who? -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:16, 17 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''Um''' Marcus you need to convince me. Although having [[SFHNAS|eaten]] them for a few years, Im more than aware of their existence, what have they done that is historical? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:23, 17 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''No''' - Never heard of them. Oddly enough, never been to Kemsterbank either. Historical groups need to ahve exuded their fame beyond their suburb.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 22:09, 17 October 2009 (BST)
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| #:Which is a bit weird, since they (histr. groups) usually only get specifically mentioned in suburbs they were active in.--[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 23:53, 17 October 2009 (BST)
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| #::General historical (namely this page and the associated category) have traditionally been separate from suburb historical. Some groups that have never passed here have been placed in the historical section of suburb pages due to the consensus of their input there rather than the game as a whole to gain the nod through this process. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:58, 17 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''No''' - Who?--{{User:Drawde/Sig}} 22:27, 17 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''No''' - Calling these guys nobodies would be a massive overestimation of their significance. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 22:53, 17 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''No''' - I'll second Yonnua, Drawde, Iscariot and the Hierophant. --Goa'uld 0:04, 18 October 2009 (MET)
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| #'''No''' - I have been playing this game for years and i just head about you all. --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 23:18, 17 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''No''' - as moloch. --[[User:Johnny Bass|Papa Johnny]] 01:02, 18 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''Yes''' I originally Led the [[Knights Templar|KT]], and they came to K-Bank just after I quit the group, and just before I took a hiatus from the game. All these years later,... I still know who they are by the mere mention of their name. If I'm not mistaken, they were active in a couple suburbs prior to going to Kempster. -[[User:Poodle of doom|Poodle of doom]] 01:17, 18 October 2009 (BST)
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| #<s>'''Yes''' - If poodle of doom vouches for them they must be worthy of historical status, surely? It increases the validity of the bid greatly, so yes from me.--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 01:51, 18 October 2009 (BST)</s>
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| #:wait no, I'm totally lying, he makes it so much more '''no''' worthy, SORRY LOL--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 01:52, 18 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''No''' - A group, yes; with a presence, yes; of historical significance, not quite. --'''[[User:BobBoberton|<span style="color: #FF4500">Bob Boberton</span>]] <sup>[[The_Fortress|<span style="color: #6B8E23">TF</span>]] / [[The_Fortress/Dark_Watch|<span style="color: #778899 ">DW</span>]]</sup>''' [[Image:Littlemudkipsig.gif]] 02:00, 18 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''No''' - As the Papas. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|DarkSlateGray|Indigo}}-- 02:17, 18 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''LOLWUT???''' - --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 06:33, 18 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''...No.''' {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 09:40, 18 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''No''' - Not historically significant. {{User:Rorybob/Sig}}09:43, 18 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''Yes'''- 0have you people not seen [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Image:DetInt.jpg this image]??{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 09:47, 18 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''No''' - Sorry. It looks like you were a fun group and I enjoy your wiki page, but even as a zombie who spent some time in Kempsterbank I didn't know about you.--{{User:Giles Sednik/sig}} 10:40, 18 October 2009 (BST)
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| #ALiM, you've got me convinced. I vote '''Yes''' on that picture alone. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 12:30, 18 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''No''' --{{User:OrangeGaf/Sig}} 16:08, 18 October 2009 (BST)-
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| #'''No''' Sorry but just being fun doesn't make it historic. For that you need to make a really big impact on the game and just being big in 1 'burb doesn't quite cut it for me. --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 08:08, 20 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''No''' I thought they disbanded and were nominated a long time ago. [[User:Asheets|Asheets]] 20:16, 21 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''No''' as everyone else.. or convince me that urban dead really is fun.----[[User:Sexualharrison|Sexualharrison]][[Image:Starofdavid2.png | 18px]] [[Image:Boobs.gif|18px]] 11:06, 22 October 2009 (BST)
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| #The ONLY time I've ever heard of them was through Recent Changes stalking.<font color=white>it doesn't help that I haven't played the game in ages and when I did I never payed attention to anything but the target</font>--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 14:44, 22 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''No''' - We came to kill them at their "HQ" once and no one was there. :sadface: --[[User:Blanemcc|Blanemcc]] 16:38, 22 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''No''' - Haven't even heard of them before now. --{{User:N0RDAK/Sig}} 00:17, 23 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''No''' - I have heard of this group, but I don't see them receiving the historical status. --{{User:Zombie slay3r/Signature}} 02:09, 23 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''No''' - As...uhm...everyone. {{User:Met fan/sig}} 03:32, 23 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''No''' - I have never heard of them.--[[User:Roland|Roland]] 01:35, 25 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''No''' - ORLY? I've been at Kempsterbank for over 4 years and never dealt with this group other than seeing their annoying propaganda and spraypainting my sweet home over and over. --[[User:Moogoogaipoo|Moogoogaipoo]] 01:43, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
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| #'''No''' - For all the above mentioned reasons. -- [[User:DarthRevan|DarthRevan]] 06:24, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
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| [[Flowers of Disease]] have disbanded and they have been a strong PKer presence in Malton for years. I have had the pleasure in battling them in the streets myself as a Bounty Hunter. Their Campaigns were often well organized against any who they deemed a target. You could always expect them to be part of any PKA organized attacks or get together. From Samhain Slaughter and Samhain Slaughter 2. The Malton Uprising, and Silent Night Slaughter at Fort Creedy. That is why I am nominating them for Historical Status.
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| #'''Yes''' - Nominator vote --[[User:Josh Clark|Josh Clark]] 02:03, 22 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''Yes''' - Flowers=Win {{User:Psychotic Pantomime/sig}}03:41, 22 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''Yes''' {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 04:09, 22 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''Yes''' --{{User:The Surgeon General/sig}} 06:44, 22 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''Yes''' Flotsam. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 09:23, 22 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''Yes''' --[[User:Jimaine Dunwich|Jimaine Dunwich]] 09:56, 22 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''Yes''' Of bloody course! --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 10:09, 22 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''Yes''' - I used to be in agroup that fought them, and I am proud to say that I have done that. Obvious yes! (Funny, the Blackhawk died before the Flowers did. T proves that God is a racist/hawkist son of a bitch.)--[[User:Dedling|Dedling]] 02:01, 23 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''Yes''' I LOVE PK GROUPS! [[User:Criminally Insane|Criminally Insane]] 10:22, 22 October 2009 (BST)\\
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| #'''Yes''' Yes but only cause they get me high ----[[User:Sexualharrison|Sexualharrison]][[Image:Starofdavid2.png | 18px]] [[Image:Boobs.gif|18px]] 11:08, 22 October 2009 (BST)<br>
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| #'''Yes''' for obvious reasons [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 11:09, 22 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''Yes''' While a small group, they brought a lot of fun to the PKer community and had a lot of presence in game. --[[User:Johnny Bass|Papa Johnny]] 13:14, 22 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''Yes''' Without a doubt, one of the most inventive, and brilliantly done groups out there. Original and always coming up with amazing events. Not to mention every member I have met in game is a stand up person. [[User:Matt Aries|Matt Aries]] 14:30, 22 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''Yes''' - Our allies, our friends. Massive driving force in the PKA, and great guys. They'll be missed. --[[User:Blanemcc|Blanemcc]] 16:37, 22 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''Yes''' --{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 17:36, 22 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''Yes''' - Johnny said it best, they did a lot for Pkers in game. --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 18:08, 22 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''Yes''' - They meet the criteria to me. But if this is some kind of trick to get historical status and they aren't really disbanded I'll be upset.--{{User:Giles Sednik/sig}} 19:26, 22 October 2009 (BST)
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| #:::We are disbanded, but for a celebration for the two years of Pking <s>we will be attending the Samhain Slaughter 3</s> [not confirmed].--{{User:Michaleson/sig}} 14:08, 23 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''Yes''' - As Giles, however. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 20:59, 22 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''Yes''' - Pretty fun group in the past --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 22:33, 22 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''Yes''' - Excellent PKers and an awesome group. Also: Frighteningly effective. --{{User:DT/Signature}} 23:38, 22 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''Yes''' - One of the best and will be missed --{{User:Gus_Thomas/Sig}} 01:40, 23 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''Yes''' - I'm sad to see this awesome group go. --{{User:Zombie slay3r/Signature}} 02:09, 23 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''No''' - Did nothing to change the game that I ever noticed. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 03:19, 23 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''Yes''' - {{User:Met fan/sig}} 03:33, 23 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''Sure why not''' - Never heard of them, but I like PKers {{User:Sorakairi/sig}} 07:46, 23 October 2009 (BST)
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| #:::Wow... --{{User:ObiFireFighter/sig}} 21:39, 23 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''No''' --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|DarkSlateGray|Indigo}}-- 09:54, 23 October 2009 (BST)
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| #:Essentially, as Moloch. I don't think Flowers fit the greater picture of a historical group. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|DarkSlateGray|Indigo}}-- 00:51, 24 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''Yes''' - Oh fuck yes. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 16:38, 23 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''No''' - I can't believe this is even being considered. These people had a flimsy gimmick and image. Their impact on the game as a whole was negligible outside of one or two internet forums, and most importantly: they haven't been around that long. --[[User:Dhavid Grohl|Dhavid Grohl]] 17:26, 23 October 2009 (BST)
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| #::: We love you to.--{{User:Michaleson/sig}} 20:41, 23 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''No'''- Historical on what grounds? Srs question... Sorry, I'll have to say no. --{{User:ObiFireFighter/sig}} 21:39, 23 October 2009 (BST)
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| #::: Well it certainly wouldn't be based on our visits to your two groups Obi. --'''Hib'''
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| #'''No''' - I think this vote is a perfect example on how far you can get on the bandwagon. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 21:52, 23 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''Yes''' - Cuz if there's all this butthurt over them they must have been doing their jobs right. - {{User:Marcusfilby/sig}} 23:04, 23 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''Yes''' - Without them, some of the biggest and best PKer strikes in Malton may never have happened. As a group they were phenomenal at racking up hundreds of kills in many different campaigns. --[[User:Toothdecay|Toothdecay]] 23:34, 23 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''No''' - I like the Flowers a lot, both as players and as people, but I don't see in what way they can genuinely be considered significant enough to be an historical group. They were all very good at what they did - probably the best 'griefing' team in the game - but to me that's not enough. Too often nowadays the historical tag is used simply to differentiate between good and bad groups, hence the number of middling groups who now bear the accolade (Ghetto Cow spring immediately to mind). Flowers of Disease were undoubtedly good, but for me an historical group needs to have made a difference to the game itself. Sadly I don't think that they achieved that, so my vote here has to be no. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 00:21, 24 October 2009 (BST)
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| #::: At least you said no in a good way :D --{{User:Michaleson/sig}} 00:26, 24 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''Yes''' - The Flowers were famous for their group tactics and warfare strategy. I can't help but see anyone saying "no" as being butthurt by the fact that either A) they'll never be in a historical group they made or B) were stomped into the ground by the Flowers. If you need proof of why they deserve historical group status, well look up Samhain Slaughter and Silent Night Slaughter. {{User:Goribus/Sig}} 01:18, 24 October 2009 (BST)
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| #:If you can't see 'no' votes in any other way than those that you outline then you have a truly risible understanding of both the voters concerned and of the game itself. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 01:29, 24 October 2009 (BST)
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| #:: Most of the 'no' votes come from TZH and other Pro Survivor groups that the Flowers have come in contact with. I'm also blunt, and don't give a fuck about pretending I know everything about a browser game on the internet. If I'm wrong then I'm wrong, but I can't help but see most, if not all, of the 'no' votes as spite. However, do correct me if I'm wrong. That's always more helpful than snide comments. {{User:Goribus/Sig}} 01:50, 24 October 2009 (BST)
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| #:::That you have the audacity to make, yes, a snide remark about 'snide' remarks, having posted, yes again, a snide remark ('I can't help but see anyone saying "no" as being butthurt by the fact that either A) they'll never be in a historical group they made or B) were stomped into the ground by the Flowers.') only serves to demonstrate that you are not only a poor commentator, but also something of a fool. TZH are twats (no surprise to anyone there), but Wan Yao and DDR have been around a long time and do not vote in enmity. As for me, Hibernaculum and I have been meta-game friends for a couple of years. I voted no because for me they do not fit the tag 'Historical' as they lack lasting influence. But naturally, anyone who disagrees with you must be 'butthurt' and lack any other reason for their decision, right? --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 02:03, 24 October 2009 (BST)
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| #:::: Most =/= Moloch. I can't stress that enough. I'm sorry you decided to jump up and say "Fuck you! I'm not being spiteful" when it wasn't directed at you. It was directed at TZH, the Umbrella guy, and anyone else being spiteful. All you really had to do is say something along the lines of "I've known them for years, and I don't agree.", but no. You jump up and make a scene. And over what? You thinking some stranger on the internet thinks you're being a dick? *shrugs* Sorry man, but I think you need to calm down. You're taking shit that wasn't aimed at you personally. You know what? If you want to continue arguing let's do it on our talk pages or in PMs, or where ever. This ain't the place for it. {{User:Goribus/Sig}} 02:17, 24 October 2009 (BST)
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| #:::::You don't have a clue about my voting motivation, so don't call me out for something you don't know about. I heard only once or twice from FOD, and I have never met any member of them. If you don't like my ''personal'' opinion then just stay away. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 16:30, 24 October 2009 (BST)
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| #:::I will say Moloch though I don't agree with you (and I think the disparity is in what we interpret is and isn't considered "historical"), I respect your opinion. At least your decision was made based on what you believe, not because you were crushed by the FOD and are still upset over it like the TZH chumps. Which is what Goribus took issue with. Lets leave it at this then and let the vote play out. My opinion is that we were not as historical as some already considered historical but more historical than others. Certainly as Pkers, I think we did enough during our time to warrant consideration. - '''HIB'''
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| #:: Everyone's interpretation of "lasting" or "Historical" is quite different from each other.I voted yes because the Flowers and Hib made a big difference to me ''personally'' as mentors.The Flowers were ''one'' group that affected my game play, and because of this, indirectly effected the game as a whole. One of the reasons LoD is growing strong as a Death Cult/PK group is because of how they played. A long time ago I watched from a distance as best as I could on how they conducted themselves. I read forum banter, watched them in game ect. to help me be a better leader. Now you could say, is this relevant or lasting? Why yes, it is to '''me'''. These votes are of a personal opinion and The Flowers of Disease made a lasting impression on me, which indirectly effected the game. In my opinion, this is well deserving of a yes vote. I am only but one voice. Freedom of opinion and an equal right to vote is Democracy. It's not perfect but it will be the ruling factor here.{{User:Psychotic Pantomime/sig}}03:33, 24 October 2009 (BST)
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| #:::As far as I can see the formal criteria for being a historical group no longer includes having a lasting influence on the game. Is that right? --{{User:Paddy Dignam/sig}} 18:10, 24 October 2009 (BST)
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| #::::+1, Mr. Dignam.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 17:43, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
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| #'''No''' I don't feel the Flowers impacted my gameplay or the others around me. Therefore, I do not think they are historical. Now don't get it wrong, they were pretty amazing, but not quite historical. {{User:Rorybob/Sig}}09:47, 24 October 2009 (BST)
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| #:::Thats because we never had to vist your groups.(Thats a good thing)--{{User:Michaleson/sig}} 10:32, 24 October 2009 (BST)
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| #::::You know you sound like every other fucking trenchcoater with an over-inflated opinion of himself and his lame-assed group. Just thought I'd mentioned that....
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| #::::I never encountered your group. To me, you were nothing but a wiki page a tiny bit of hype (mostly created by your feud with fellow attention-whores, TZH). You never had any impact on the game that I play, you changed nothing and contributed nothing original to UD/Malton. So, no matter how awesome you may think your group was, they aren't historical. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 14:13, 24 October 2009 (BST)
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| #::::: Everyone is entiltled to their opnion. --{{User:Michaleson/sig}} 15:33, 24 October 2009 (BST)
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| #:::::Ahhhh, good to see we can still cause a ruckus amongst those who don't like us even when we've closed shop. Anyway, take a pill and settle down '''Wanny''' boy. Perhaps the concept of humour has escaped you but he was saying it tongue in cheek. lets get the '''historical''' definition straight since there seems to be some confusion. Here is the policy definition that is laid out on this page for obtaining historical status. '''Groups are added to historical groups if they have made an impact on the way the game is played or otherwise contributed to the history of Malton.''' So we never had any impact on the game you play? So you actually play then? And not just do your best impersonation of WOOT on Brianstock? Think on this. How many groups have actually made an impact on the way the game is played? '''If that's the only criteria, you better remove everyone but '''The DEAD'''.''' And maybe there is a place for the '''DEM''' when they are done and possibly the '''RRF'''. Thats it. The others all fall into the second category and that is '''otherwise contributed to the history of Malton'''. '''Now that contribution is up for debate which is what this vote is about.''' We earned the respect of our peers (as you can see from the votes), helped plan the 3 biggest Pker strikes in the game in the last two years, and had one of the highest, if not the highest kill count of any Pker group over that span. Basically, you really don't follow the game much if you think all we did was attack TZH. TZH was one campaign which lasted just over a month. And the hype was created by them, not us. We could care less about them but they still carry on as if it happened yesterday. I've seen your posts before at BS WAN. And it's always negative, pontificating...like the rest of us are all a bunch of dummies and your word is gospel. By your own admission, you never encountered us but yet to you we were '''just a wiki page and hype'''. Good to see you made your judgment based on the facts. Everyone is entitled to their opinion of course. If you honestly think we aren't worthy of consideration, so be it. Vote '''NO'''. But it would be nice if the opinion would be based on some sort of fact or true belief and not just '''I've never encountered you but Your a lame assed group and you're just a wiki page and hype. I don't like you'''. Sorry Moloch. Goribus was right. Wanny's vote has as much merit as TZH's. Just another guy with an axe to grind. -- '''HIB'''
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| #::::::'...<i>possibly</i> the RRF'? 0.o --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 16:37, 24 October 2009 (BST)
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| #::::::I think you need to learn how to sign, before you puke out a wall of text like that.--[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 16:22, 24 October 2009 (BST)
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| #:::::::{SIGH}...Sorry Thadeous, is this better? But you are correct. That was excessive. Especially here. I'll say no more. --[[User:Hibernaculum|Hibernaculum]] 17:04, 24 October 2009 (BST)
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| #:::::::Wow. I've voted against a '''LOT''' of whiney trenchcoater groups who yelled and screamed at every No voter who wasn't willing to acknowledge their ''obvious greatness'' -- but you guys really take the take. Really, really, ''really'' sorry if your in-game antics made ''no difference'' to my gameplay or impacted the culture of Malton as far as I am concerned. Also really, really, '''really''' sorry if the only place you seem to know me from is Brainstock -- a shyte board full of shyte trolls which I ''never'' took seriously. Maybe you were big and mighty there, but as I said, I considered Brainstock a joke and treated it as such. Maybe if you'd influenced some stuff over at Barhah.com... maybe if you'd made a difference to groups like COMBAT REVIVE / The Big Prick or 404: Barhah not found... Or to events like the Second Big Bash... Maybe then I'd have voted Yes. But, you didn't... So quit whining like such butthurt morons. Oh... and your idea of focusing on PKing lame and stupid survivor groups was most certainly '''not''' original or new. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 01:19, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
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| #::::::::Wan, someone made a silly joke. You came out of nowhere acting like an absolute asshole. Hib's mistake was responding to your trolling, not being "butthurt" about your vote. Nobody cares about your vote, or was interested in your description about what it would have taken to get it. You were insulting and got an unhappy response. Congratulations. If you feel the need to continue this, please do it in a manner other than a collection of insults designed to cause an internet pissing contest. --[[User:Allan Friedman|Allan Friedman]] 04:11, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
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| #::::::::::You're obviously reading a completely different thread than me... I am far from alone in thinking that FoD are not worthy of historical status and neither am I alone in my reasons for considering the nomination unjustified. Meanwhile, several of FoD supporters have been saying that those voting "No" were either personally butthurt by the group or just ignorant for not having heard of them. News flash: most of us are neither. And, if I choose to defend myself vigorously in the face of such an comments... well... if that makes me a troll... Brave for me, where's my lumpy wooden club?
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| #::::::::::Meanwhile, seeing as a significant minority of users -- many of whom know UD very well and have been part of the communtiy for a ''long'' time -- are in agreement with me... my opinion isn't as irrelevant as you'd like to make out. Anyhooo... I'll let you go back to being a pot calling a kettle black now. Cheers and thanks for your "valuable input"! --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 12:48, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
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| #:::::::::::If you think you were defending your views, perhaps we are reading two different threads. Because in the one I'm reading, there had been exactly ''one'' negative comment made about the "no" voters when you jumped all over Michaelson. It wasn't made by him, or a member of any of his groups for that matter. So if your intent was to "defend yourself vigorously" I suggest that next time you aim your defense at somebody who has actually attacked you in some way. --[[User:Allan Friedman|Allan Friedman]] 18:39, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
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| #::::::::::::When I used the word "thread" I meant the entire conversation taking place here. If you'd been reading this page instead of making lame attempts to insult me, you'd know exactly what I was talking about, i.e. every No voter getting called "butthurt" or "stupid" because they don't agree that FoD merit historical status. You can pretend you don't know what I'm talking about... you can pretend that I had no justification in calling out yet another egoist trenchcoater whinging and crying over someone's No vote... but the facts will be against you. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 21:53, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
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| #:::::::::::::Christ, I knew what you meant by thread. I'll make this simple for you. On this page, this entire fucking page, there was ''exactly one'' negative generalization of the 'no' voters when you decided to attack Michaelson. That comment was not written by Michaelson. It wasn't written by a member of any of his groups. Now you have claimed repeatedly you were insulting him to defend against people lumping all the 'no' voters as butthurt. Do you seriously not see why that makes no sense?--[[User:Allan Friedman|Allan Friedman]] 23:06, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
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| #'''Yes''' - They always seemed a little above the game as far as PKers go. One of the classier groups. Really sad to see them go. Who'll take care of all the flotsam now? [[User:RinKou|RinKou]] 17:55, 24 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''Yes''' Hibernaculum took out a genny for me while my PKer slept, never had the chance to return the favor. I'm a lower working-class American, that's how I vote, yo. --[[User:Bobby the Hatchet|Bobby the Hatchet]] 18:06, 24 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''Yes''' - I respect Moloch's opinion and double-checked the definition of a historical group. "Historical groups if they have made an impact on the way the game is played or otherwise contributed to the history of Malton." (right from the policy discussion of Historical Groups) Now, I have not been playing long so I cannot comment with confidence on what kind of impact [[FOD]] has had, but I have read enough about various events to know that they have helped shape things. If we consider events like the Samhain Slaughter, etc to be events worthy of note, then I think [[FOD]] qualifies as a historical group. --{{User:Maverick Farrant/sig}} 19:04, 24 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''Yes''' - simply yes. --[[User:Sir WV|Sir WV]] 19:31, 24 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''Yes''' - History should be recorded for anything... to lose the history of a grain of sand is a tragedy, to purposefully delete the history of entire group is an atrocity. -[[User:Devorac|Devorac]] 22:05, 24 October 2009 (BST)
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| #'''No''' - Negatory. "Good group" and "classy players" and all that noise is totally irrelevant. This is about whether or not they're historical, and... I just don't see it. - [[User:Subotei's Crotch|Subotei's Crotch]] 22:13, 24 October 2009 (BST)
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| #:Wow, this is a great read. It seems most of the no's are from folks who never really knew the [[FoD]] or, got there asses handed to them by the [[FoD]].I can tell you that I started this game sometime in 2005 and wandered around doing the survivor thing long enough to get to level 41, and then got bored and subsequently stopped playing for quite a while. Then one day I was logged in and doing some research and found the [[FoD]]! Oh, what a glorious day that was. I went through the process of joining the group and it was balls to the walls for around 2 years! Great folks, great PK'ers (some of them, the BEST I have ever seen) and Great fun!
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| #:They made me a far better player and most defiantly changed the game in my eye's.--[[User:Roland|Roland]] 00:02, 25 October 2009 (BST)
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| #::Can you and the other punks stop crying every time someone fucking votes against? Fact: Butthurt players ALWAYS vote against in historical nominations. Deal with it. Fact: This nomination is going to pass despite their votes, so who cares? Fact: You idiots are behaving more butthurt by retaliating to EVERY '''no''' vote with such ferocity. Just shut the fuck up and let the voting progress, sheesh. You are going to pass, stop doing it so ungraciously. It's disgusting. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|DarkSlateGray|Indigo}}-- 01:06, 25 October 2009 (BST)
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| #:: Punk? I was just posting my opinions dude! That's it you are going on my list. hehe--[[User:Roland|Roland]] 01:14, 25 October 2009 (BST)
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| #:::And no one cares about them, least of all the people you are aiming them at. Why not focus on having the bid pass rather than engaging in text wars with the minimal opposition? --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|DarkSlateGray|Indigo}}-- 01:20, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
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| #:::: Sheesh dude, I was not really engaging anyone, just speaking my piece till your sorry ass showed up! Heheheh MMOGA's are many, and you are one of them. It must suck to be stuck in the basement at 37... That is all. Sorry for the tasteless crap folks.--[[User:Roland|Roland]] 01:29, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
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| #:::::Bringing up the very notion out of thin air that I am in a basement at 37 years old makes it more likely that ''you'' are in such a situation rather than me. And I was aiming my comments at all the morons needlessly bitching to the '''no''' voters. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|DarkSlateGray|Indigo}}-- 01:32, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
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| #::::::God damn. I make a simple vote an' come back a couple days later to check on things and am greeted with this? Christ. - [[User:Subotei's Crotch|Subotei's Crotch]] 04:08, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
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| #:{{strike|'''Yes'''- I was a member back in the day. Simply put I felt we were the best at what we did for a long time. FOD certainly helped create a unique niche in the city by means of "educating" many a group. They were "anti useless survivor" making them pro survivor in a warped kinda way. I thought that was a great angle to work from, and certainly a first. As others have mentioned Hib was vital in the planning and success of many of the cities biggest pk outings ever. I can't say to what was after I left, but as far as I know, they were still takin names and kickin ass. Are they worthy of historical status?....I think so. Bootsy funk}} Improperly signed. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|DarkSlateGray|Indigo}}-- 01:06, 25 October 2009 (BST)
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| #::Stop removing the strike, Roland. Improperly signed votes are not counted. Tell your friend to come back and resign it properly. Unjustly remove the strike again and I'll put you up at [[A/VB]]. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|DarkSlateGray|Indigo}}-- 03:27, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
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| #'''No''' - As Moloch above. Seemed like a decent group of people, but not historical. --[[User:DonTickles|DonTickles]] 11:49, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
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| #'''No''' -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 12:51, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
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| #'''No''' - Although one of the better organized "griefer" groups, they weren't around long enough or did anything really noteworthy enough to be properly considered historically significant. Again, a ditto for Papa Moloch's general assessment --[[User:Fallout11|Fallout11]] 01:48, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
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| #'''No''' - Never heard of you, and I've been around since 2005. And the best "griefer" groups were ASS and Gankbus in my book, not to mention DARIS. Superior tactics and efficiency always is nice but not enough to be considered historic. --[[User:DarthRevan|DarthRevan]] 06:24, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
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| #<big><big>No.</big></big> Moloch is a lying faggot about Ghetto Cow though. :'( --[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 14:41, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
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| #'''Yes''' - Absolutely. --{{User:Letitia/sig}} 17:40, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
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| #'''Yes''' - I firmly and definitely believe the FOD deserves this status. --{{User:Barak/sig}} 20:33, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
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| #'''No''' - Nothing historical and they're rather pompous. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 20:46, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
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| #'''No''' - Mediocre group, never did anything big, mediocre goals, never really succeeded in these goals (inb4 made TZH quit, whoopedy-fucking-doo), unoriginal idea (flotsam? you copied the pknights but called the ignorant people flotsam... nice)--{{User:WOOT/sig}} 03:52, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
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| #'''No''' - "Groups are added to historical groups if they have made an impact on the way the game is played '''or''' otherwise contributed to the history of Malton." In other words, this is simply a popularity contest. Nothing against the FOD but, as WOOT, they were a little too much like the Philosophe Knights, who really did change the way the game is played. --{{User:Paddy Dignam/sig}} 16:17, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
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| #'''Yes''' - I see most of the No voters are non-PKers who have no idea what contributions FoD have made, which tells me their vote is based on popularity instead of substance. FoD has done quite well. --[[User:Headless gunner|Headless gunner]] <sup>[[Project Welcome|W!]]</sup> 19:28, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
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| #:Is it yours and a few others job to try and justify '''why''' people voted no? It doesn't matter why. There's also no reason to make comments which you have almost no evidence to back you up. The fact you use the phrase "no idea what contributions FoD have made..." tells me that they are fully entitled to vote no based on that, as, for historical staus, the group must have made an impact. If they didn't feel that impact, they why would they vote yes? {{User:Rorybob/Sig}}19:33, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
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| #:: I see that most of the Yes voters are PKers who have no idea what contributions FoD have made, which tells me their vote is based on popularity instead of substance. More seriously, please do not accuse those who disagree with you of being ignorant simply because their are on the other side of the lines. It is just as likely that any one of the "No" votes came from an ignorant/"butthurt" survivor as it is that any of the "Yes" votes came from a PKer who just wanted to support their friends without consideration of what it means to be "historic". There's no need for all this bitching and drama going back-and-forth on account of oh who the hell am I kidding it's the Wiki. Why do I keep checking this? - [[User:Subotei's Crotch|Subotei's Crotch]] 21:32, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
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| #:::Well said. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 22:34, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
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| If you look at the first vote Nominator vote you'll see it's a Bounty Hunter, also a few other yes votes are Bounty Hunters as well. That should tell you not all Yes votes are PKers. I also agree that where the game is now there is no possible way a group can change the way the game is. So You will have to go with otherwise contributed to the history of Malton for Historical consideration. FOD although Loved by Some and Hated by others has contributed to the history of Malton. I tangled with them myself back when I first started playing the game, they effected the game by helping me be less trenchy as a Bounty Hunter. --[[User:Josh Clark|Josh Clark]] 03:21, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
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| ==Recent Nominations== | | ==[[Militant Order of Barhah]]== |
| ''There have been no recent nominations'' | | The MOB defined [[Barhah#Controversy and Fundamentalis|Barhah Fundamentalism]] for Malton, putting into sharp focus the philosophy of always-dead, migratory, horde-focused zombies. While the MOB reigned, zombies and death cultists everywhere had to reconsider or sheepishly justify their necro-religious beliefs. The MOB maintained multiple effective strike teams for years. For years, zombie activity in Malton consisted primarily of a deep red Ridleybank and an uncontrollable wrecking ball in the form of the MOB. It was like a nonstop, all-seasons Mall Tour or Big Bash. Survivors could not stop it, so they resorted to [[River Tactics|fleeing in terror and picking up the mess left behind]]. Jorm, The Prophet of Barhah, is personally notable for: |
| | *Being [[Mayor]] of Malton from 2010 to today, following the Misanthropy/Revenant administration fulfilling their campaign promise to betray the electorate by handing the keys to the city to Jorm. |
| | *Hosting the IRC server that was a longtime favorite for UD live chat. |
| | *Hosting [[Unofficial UD Forums#Barhah.com|barhah.com]], the forum that was a longtime favorite for zombie groups. |
| | *Making [[:Category:Related Games#Inspired by Urban Dead|Nexus War]], which was more than a little popular. The spiritual successor, [https://www.nexusclash.com/ Nexus Clash], is still entirely alive. |
| | *[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jorm Working for WikiMedia], where you may have seen him asking for donations. |
| | The Prophet of Barhah himself once made the case for his horde in [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Militant Order of Barhah vs Malton Mob|an arbitration case over the MOB redirect]]. In his trademarked steel wool and whiskey style, he addressed another group that hoped to be known as "the mob": |
| | Your group consists of less than 20 and has done *nothing*; my group is over 70 and has *smashed suburbs*. We are the MOB; you are the "Malton Mob." |
| | Hagnat further noted: |
| | They are larger. They are famous. They have Zombies. They have Jorm. |
| | I submit the MOB for your consideration. --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 07:29, 9 June 2024 (UTC) |
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| | === Yes === |
| | # '''Yes''' - Author vote. --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 07:29, 9 June 2024 (UTC) |
| | # '''Yes''' - Easily one of the most notable zombie groups to have ever shambled the streets of Malton. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 21:00, 9 June 2024 (UTC) |
| | # '''Yes''' - One of the most significant zombie groups in the game's history. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">▋</span>]]</span>''' 04:37, 10 June 2024 (UTC) |
| | # '''Yes''' Jorm Made me do it. [[User:Rosslessness|<span style="color: MidnightBlue ">R</span><span style="color: Navy">o</span><span style="color: DarkBlue">s</span><span style="color: MediumBlue">s</span><span style="color: RoyalBlue"></span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness|<span style="color: RoyalBlue">l</span><span style="color: CornflowerBlue">e</span><span style="color: SkyBlue">s</span><span style="color: LightskyBlue">s</span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness/Quiz|<span style="color: LightBlue">n</span><span style="color: PowderBlue">e</span>]][[Monroeville Many|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]][[The Great Suburb Group Massacre|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]]<sup>[[Location Page Building Toolkit|<span style="color: DarkRed">Want a Location Image?]] </span> </sup> 18:36, 10 June 2024 (UTC) |
| | # '''Yes''' - I have played Urban Dead for almost 20 years, and have been part of MOB for almost as long (19 years, give or take). No zombie group has been as impactful as MOB, and perhaps no zombie group ever will. [[User:Liche|Liche]] ([[User talk:Liche|talk]]) 19:44, 10 June 2024 (UTC) |
| | #'''I guess so.''' ^ Has this game been around for nearly 20 years? Ah, well. That can't be. (Really?) --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 04:45, 11 June 2024 (UTC) |
| | #'''Yes''' {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig5}} 07:37, 11 June 2024 (UTC) |
| | #'''yes''' - i was told there would be chum. [[User:Hajen|hajen]] ([[User talk:Hajen|talk]]) 15:39, 11 June 2024 (UTC) |
| | #'''Yes''' [[User:Clayton Carmine|Clayton Carmine]] ([[User talk:Clayton Carmine|talk]]) 15:30, 15 June 2024 (UTC) |
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| | === No === |
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| | With voting finished, MOB hasn't passed the minimum 15 votes to be made historical. That said, you can [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion|change historical voting policy]] (which doesn't have minimum vote requirements). --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 17:57, 26 June 2024 (UTC) |
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| | ==[[East Becktown Defenders]]== |
| | {{HistoricalVotingRules}} |
| | The East Becktown Defenders officially disbanded on [[EBD/Epitaph|May 1st, 2020]], which makes them eligible for Historical Group status. |
| | The EBD had been active since 2016, and included dozens of members, including both veterans and entire newbies. They maintained good relationships with survivor groups (including, but not limited to the DHPD, SoC, Knights Templar and the DEM) and zombie groups (specifically the Daubeney Resident Zombies next door, and of course our favourite frenemies in the RRF). |
| | Aside from regular survivor-style operations, they also brought a fun, no-pressure approach to the game, along with [[East_Becktown_Defenders/Tools|wiki-tools]] (like the automatic SitRep on their group page) and weird events (like the [[EBD_Stat_Party_2016|EBD StatParty]]). |
| | The group decided not to fade away like many others, but officially disbanded after exactly 4 years of activity. |
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| | === Yes === |
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| | # '''Yes''' - {{User:Peralta/Signature}} 13:29, 19 August 2022 (UTC) |
| | # '''Yes''' - [[User:Clayton Carmine|Clayton Carmine]] ([[User talk:Clayton Carmine|talk]]) 13:38, 19 August 2022 (UTC) |
| | # '''Yes''' - [[User:MicoolTNT|MicoolTNT]] 13:57, 19 August 2022 (UTC) |
| | # '''Yes''' - {{User:Stelar/sig}} 14:00, 19 August 2022 (UTC) |
| | # '''Yes''' - [[User:Roddy Winters|Roddy Winters]] ([[User talk:Roddy Winters|talk]]) 17:27, 19 August 2022 (UTC) |
| | # '''Yes''' - [[User:Matt Langley|Matt Langley]] ([[User talk:Matt Langley|talk]]) 18:13, 19 August 2022 (UTC) |
| | # '''Yes''' - [[User:Tarkenton|Tarkenton]] ([[User talk:Tarkenton|talk]]) 20:33, 19 August 2022 (UTC) |
| | # '''Yes''' - {{User:Bob Moncrief/Sig}} 23:17, 19 August 2022 (UTC) |
| | # '''Yes''' - [[User:Simcoe|Simcoe]] 07:00, 20 August 2022 (UTC) |
| | # '''Yes''' - [[User:Yo Ris|Yo Ris]] ([[User talk:Yo Ris|talk]]) 07:33, 20 August 2022 (UTC) |
| | # '''Yes''' - [[User:RaiNo|RaiNo]] 10:14, 21 August 2022 (UTC) |
| | # '''Yes''' - [[User:Frank Burn|Frank Burn]] ([[User talk:Frank Burn|talk]]) 13:46, 22 August 2022 (UTC) |
| | # '''Yes''' - [[User:DoXBr|DoXBr]] ([[User talk:DoXBr|talk]]) 14:19, 23 August 2022 (UTC) |
| | # '''Yes''' - [[User:Richardskull16|Richardskull16]] ([[User talk:Richardskull16|talk]]) 09:25, 24 August 2022 (UTC) |
| | # '''Yes''' - The Malton Globetrotters turbodunk the ayes! --{{User:Dragonshardz/dragonshardz}} {{Goonsig|Dragonshardz}} 00:58, 25 August 2022 (UTC) |
| | # '''Yes''' - {{User:Benigno/sig}} 16:57, 26 August 2022 (UTC) |
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| | === No === |
| | #I was going to go with “Who?” but [[Talk:East_Becktown_Defenders#Your_page|apparently we’ve spoken]]. As they did not fix their page in the entire 4 years they spent as a group, I cannot in good conscience vote for this group to be historical. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} {{Goonsig|Revenant}} 16:13, 20 August 2022 (UTC) |
| | #From what I see is a run-of-the-mill survivor group engaged in standard survivor play of maintaining a particular area. It was not innovative (like MCM or 404 were), it didn't have a distinctive style (like for example B.A.R. or ULC would have), nor was it involved in significant events (like Escape or c4NT were). --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">▋</span>]]</span>''' 20:34, 23 August 2022 (UTC) |
| | #As Spiderzed. Groups that had some members, did some things, and had a central pitch of being "well liked" didn't classify as historical when Urban Dead was bigger. I don't believe that should change for groups that existed during UD's [[Survivor-Zombie_Imbalance#7|long tail]]. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig5}} 05:55, 25 August 2022 (UTC) |
| | #As Spiderzed. --[[User:Papa John Schnatter|Papa John Schnatter]] ([[User talk:Papa John Schnatter|talk]]) 17:25, 25 August 2022 (UTC) |
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| | With voting well and truly finished, the East Becktown Defenders have become a '''historical group'''. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig5}} 07:53, 7 September 2022 (UTC) |
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