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| #Groups must no longer actively contribute to the game. | | #Groups must no longer actively contribute to the game. |
| #A nomination should be made on [[Category talk:Historical Groups]]. | | #A nomination should be made on [[Category talk:Historical Groups]]. |
| #Within two weeks of a nomination, the group must be approved by 2/3 of the voters, with a minimum of 15 voters for a nomination to pass. The only allowable votes are '''Yea''' and '''Nay'''. | | #Voting will last for exactly two weeks following nomination. To be successful, a group must be approved by 2/3 of eligible voters to pass. A minimum of 15 votes must be cast for the vote to be valid. The only allowable votes are '''Yes''' and '''No'''. |
| #Groups that pass will be added to the category as described below. | | #Groups that pass will be added to the category as described below. |
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| When nominating a group, please add a note to [[Template:Wiki News]] and add {{CodeInline|<nowiki>{{HistoricalGroupVoting}}</nowiki>}} to the top of the group's page. Also, please add {{CodeInline|<nowiki>{{HistoricalVotingRules}}</nowiki>}} under the group's application for historical status. | | When nominating a group, please add a note to [[Template:Wiki News]] and add {{CodeInline|<nowiki>{{HistoricalGroupVoting}}</nowiki>}} to the top of the group's page. Also, please add {{CodeInline|<nowiki>{{HistoricalVotingRules}}</nowiki>}} under the group's application for historical status. |
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| ===[[Columbine Kids]]=== | | =Recent Nominations= |
| Now that probably the last member wearing the tags has switched to a different group (welcome to Cobra, YOG :P) and the group as such hasn't coordinated at all for a long while (the forums have been down for months), it's probably about time to recognize Columbine Kids as historical.
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| From their very founding day on, they have polarized the UD metagame, going even as far as getting the group [[UDWiki:Administration/Deletions/Archive/Aug_2007#Columbine_Kids|put up for deletion vote]] due to bad taste, or because no one thinks of the children, or whatever the reasoning was for those who voted for deletion. And it wasn't just at the beginning that they shocked and polarized the UD crowd, [[Talk:Columbine_Kids#I.27m_Disgusted|it even continued throughout their career]].
| | ==[[Militant Order of Barhah]]== |
| | The MOB defined [[Barhah#Controversy and Fundamentalis|Barhah Fundamentalism]] for Malton, putting into sharp focus the philosophy of always-dead, migratory, horde-focused zombies. While the MOB reigned, zombies and death cultists everywhere had to reconsider or sheepishly justify their necro-religious beliefs. The MOB maintained multiple effective strike teams for years. For years, zombie activity in Malton consisted primarily of a deep red Ridleybank and an uncontrollable wrecking ball in the form of the MOB. It was like a nonstop, all-seasons Mall Tour or Big Bash. Survivors could not stop it, so they resorted to [[River Tactics|fleeing in terror and picking up the mess left behind]]. Jorm, The Prophet of Barhah, is personally notable for: |
| | *Being [[Mayor]] of Malton from 2010 to today, following the Misanthropy/Revenant administration fulfilling their campaign promise to betray the electorate by handing the keys to the city to Jorm. |
| | *Hosting the IRC server that was a longtime favorite for UD live chat. |
| | *Hosting [[Unofficial UD Forums#Barhah.com|barhah.com]], the forum that was a longtime favorite for zombie groups. |
| | *Making [[:Category:Related Games#Inspired by Urban Dead|Nexus War]], which was more than a little popular. The spiritual successor, [https://www.nexusclash.com/ Nexus Clash], is still entirely alive. |
| | *[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jorm Working for WikiMedia], where you may have seen him asking for donations. |
| | The Prophet of Barhah himself once made the case for his horde in [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Militant Order of Barhah vs Malton Mob|an arbitration case over the MOB redirect]]. In his trademarked steel wool and whiskey style, he addressed another group that hoped to be known as "the mob": |
| | Your group consists of less than 20 and has done *nothing*; my group is over 70 and has *smashed suburbs*. We are the MOB; you are the "Malton Mob." |
| | Hagnat further noted: |
| | They are larger. They are famous. They have Zombies. They have Jorm. |
| | I submit the MOB for your consideration. --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 07:29, 9 June 2024 (UTC) |
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| They have not just made impact by their concept, though. They were also effective PKers, racking up [http://rg.urbandead.net/profiles/view/754030 massive bounties], performing [http://iamscott.net/1271806991373.html highly coordinated timed strikes] and getting involved in events like the [[2008 Wedding Crash]] or [[Samhain Slaughter|Samhain Slaughter 1]] [[Samhain Slaughter 2|to]] [[Samhain Slaughter 3|3]]. They were recognized in the [[Malton_Murder_Awards_MMX#Player-Killer_Awards|Malton Murder Awards 2010]] as nominee for Best PKer Group.
| | === Yes === |
| | # '''Yes''' - Author vote. --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 07:29, 9 June 2024 (UTC) |
| | # '''Yes''' - Easily one of the most notable zombie groups to have ever shambled the streets of Malton. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 21:00, 9 June 2024 (UTC) |
| | # '''Yes''' - One of the most significant zombie groups in the game's history. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">▋</span>]]</span>''' 04:37, 10 June 2024 (UTC) |
| | # '''Yes''' Jorm Made me do it. [[User:Rosslessness|<span style="color: MidnightBlue ">R</span><span style="color: Navy">o</span><span style="color: DarkBlue">s</span><span style="color: MediumBlue">s</span><span style="color: RoyalBlue"></span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness|<span style="color: RoyalBlue">l</span><span style="color: CornflowerBlue">e</span><span style="color: SkyBlue">s</span><span style="color: LightskyBlue">s</span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness/Quiz|<span style="color: LightBlue">n</span><span style="color: PowderBlue">e</span>]][[Monroeville Many|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]][[The Great Suburb Group Massacre|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]]<sup>[[Location Page Building Toolkit|<span style="color: DarkRed">Want a Location Image?]] </span> </sup> 18:36, 10 June 2024 (UTC) |
| | # '''Yes''' - I have played Urban Dead for almost 20 years, and have been part of MOB for almost as long (19 years, give or take). No zombie group has been as impactful as MOB, and perhaps no zombie group ever will. [[User:Liche|Liche]] ([[User talk:Liche|talk]]) 19:44, 10 June 2024 (UTC) |
| | #'''I guess so.''' ^ Has this game been around for nearly 20 years? Ah, well. That can't be. (Really?) --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 04:45, 11 June 2024 (UTC) |
| | #'''Yes''' {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig5}} 07:37, 11 June 2024 (UTC) |
| | #'''yes''' - i was told there would be chum. [[User:Hajen|hajen]] ([[User talk:Hajen|talk]]) 15:39, 11 June 2024 (UTC) |
| | #'''Yes''' [[User:Clayton Carmine|Clayton Carmine]] ([[User talk:Clayton Carmine|talk]]) 15:30, 15 June 2024 (UTC) |
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| Seriously, if you are involved in the PKer metagame at all, you have heard of them and their exploits. --{{User:Spiderzed/Sandbox/Sig}} 18:38, 27 March 2011 (BST)
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| | With voting finished, MOB hasn't passed the minimum 15 votes to be made historical. That said, you can [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion|change historical voting policy]] (which doesn't have minimum vote requirements). --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 17:57, 26 June 2024 (UTC) |
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| | ==[[East Becktown Defenders]]== |
| {{HistoricalVotingRules}} | | {{HistoricalVotingRules}} |
| | The East Becktown Defenders officially disbanded on [[EBD/Epitaph|May 1st, 2020]], which makes them eligible for Historical Group status. |
| | The EBD had been active since 2016, and included dozens of members, including both veterans and entire newbies. They maintained good relationships with survivor groups (including, but not limited to the DHPD, SoC, Knights Templar and the DEM) and zombie groups (specifically the Daubeney Resident Zombies next door, and of course our favourite frenemies in the RRF). |
| | Aside from regular survivor-style operations, they also brought a fun, no-pressure approach to the game, along with [[East_Becktown_Defenders/Tools|wiki-tools]] (like the automatic SitRep on their group page) and weird events (like the [[EBD_Stat_Party_2016|EBD StatParty]]). |
| | The group decided not to fade away like many others, but officially disbanded after exactly 4 years of activity. |
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| #I, duh, nominated them in the first place? --{{User:Spiderzed/Sandbox/Sig}} 18:45, 27 March 2011 (BST)
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| #Who?--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 18:51, 27 March 2011 (BST)
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| #Classy chaps. [[User:Oidar|Oidar]] 18:54, 27 March 2011 (BST)
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| #lets just get this over with--<small> <span style="color: DarkMagenta">The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking </span><div style="display: inline-block; height: 14px; width: 18px; overflow: hidden; vertical-align: text-bottom;">[[User:Sexualharrison|<span style="position: absolute; display: block; font-size: 0px; height: 14px; width: 18px;"> </span>]][[Image:Boobs.sh.siggie.gif|18px]]</div> [[User talk:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">bitch</span>]] 20:21 27 March 2011 (UTC)</small>
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| #After this, we're gettin' the C4NT up here. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 23:56, 27 March 2011 (BST)
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| #:You should think about slapping an inactive tag on them and starting the clock. -[[MHS|<span style="color: Black">'''MHS'''</span>]][[User_Talk:MHSstaff|<span style="color: DarkBlue">'''staff'''</span>]] 03:46, 28 March 2011 (BST)
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| #::isn't the page history a better indicator to begin with? --<small> <span style="color: DarkMagenta">The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking </span><div style="display: inline-block; height: 14px; width: 18px; overflow: hidden; vertical-align: text-bottom;">[[User:Sexualharrison|<span style="position: absolute; display: block; font-size: 0px; height: 14px; width: 18px;"> </span>]][[Image:Boobs.sh.siggie.gif|18px]]</div> [[User talk:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">bitch</span>]] 09:33 4 April 2011 (UTC)</small>
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| #For about a year the leading source of UD metagame butthurt (other than wiki drama, which is the untouchable Queen of UD Drama), inspiration behind a few less competent attempts at shock groups (such as Pumpkin Pedophiles) and a couple of even less competent hunter groups dedicated to 'teaching us a lesson', we made a significant splash in both game and metagame. Also there were two School Shooting tours that aren't mentioned above, which put hundreds more corpses on the streets of Malton. [http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c19/LordMoloch/SchoolShooting.jpg 1] [http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c19/LordMoloch/Ck2.jpg 2]. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 03:28, 28 March 2011 (BST)
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| #Never even met any of them in game, but I still ''heard'' about them. Sick of all this historical status elitism. They were well known enough to be let in.{{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>03:41 28 March 2011(UTC)</tt>
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| #They are worth giving historical status --[[User:Bluewaterdragon|Bluewaterdragon]] 04:02, 28 March 2011 (BST)
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| # Sure! Why not? --[[User:Akbar|Akbar]] 06:11, 28 March 2011 (BST)
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| #Yes. Shootin up skool iz fun! --{{User:Lady Clitoria/Sig}} 08:13, 28 March 2011 (BST)
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| # [[User:Smyg|Smyg]] 08:18, 28 March 2011 (BST)
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| # Having had the pleasure of kicking off their mall tour from MCM it would be hard not to vote for them. Like it or not they did make themselves know! --[[User:QBee|QBee]] 03:25, 31 March 2011 (BST)
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| #Perhaps unsurprisingly, I'mma go with 'yes'. -- {{User:CyanEyed/Sig}} 10:25, 28 March 2011 (BST)
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| # - Not a giant group, but they caused a massive stir. --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 16:13, 28 March 2011 (BST)
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| # That bounty alone must qualify them for historical status never mind what else they did! [[User:Gordon|Gordon]] 23:13, 28 March 2011 (BST)
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| # Sigh... [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvn6eYJh-0c '''Yes'''] And here's why. I despise this group. I hate everything about them. I Loathe and detest the very creaion of it ffs. It's unsavoury, childish glorification of 'shock value' made me uneasy from the first minute I saw some plank wearing the tags two years ago when I started playing, and still, to this day does. However, '''that's''' why they work. That was their hook, so to speak.<br>The BH'er in me, ''always'' wanted to whack a CK. Hell, I wanted to do it with Deej too, should the chance arisen. They made an impact, and much as I dislike the theme of the group, they certainly knew how to grab the eye. They '''should''' be remembered, if not for 'cos they were a 'great PK'er' group, then 'cos they were a bunch of knobbers people wanted to kill. A lot.<br>Btw, this vote will be changed to a '''No''', if Harrison doesn't admit, in the next 24 hours he watched, '''and''' fapped to the vid linked in my yes vote. Clock is ticking, perve. {{User:Kempy/sig}} 05:07, 29 March 2011 (BST)
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| #:hah hah suck my balls kempy this was the message i got when i clicked the link. """The uploader has not made this video available in your country. Sorry about that.""" suck it!--<small> <span style="color: DarkMagenta">The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking </span><div style="display: inline-block; height: 14px; width: 18px; overflow: hidden; vertical-align: text-bottom;">[[User:Sexualharrison|<span style="position: absolute; display: block; font-size: 0px; height: 14px; width: 18px;"> </span>]][[Image:Boobs.sh.siggie.gif|18px]]</div> [[User talk:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">bitch</span>]] 05:11 29 March 2011 (UTC)</small>
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| #:::..tock. {{User:Kempy/sig}} 05:47, 29 March 2011 (BST)
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| #:::Try [http://hotspotshield.com/ Hotspot Shield]? {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 21:37, 29 March 2011 (BST)
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| #DO IT. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 00:58, 29 March 2011 (BST)
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| # Sounds like a good idea. --[[User:Cexylikepie|Cexylikepie]] 02:03, 29 March 2011 (BST)
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| # I have been roused from my wiki hiatus to vote! --[[User:Pibbit|Pibbit]] 05:49, 29 March 2011 (BST)
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| #They were quite notorious, both in game and on the wiki. The fact that people still hate them makes them quite memorable (and by extension, historical). Their talk page alone is comedy gold.--[[User:Shatari|Shatari]] 07:15, 29 March 2011 (BST)
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| #Fuck yes. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 07:16, 29 March 2011 (BST)
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| #Didn't really need to ask, to be honest. {{User:Ashley Valentine/sig}} 09:33, 29 March 2011 (BST)
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| #As Anime Sucks. --{{User:N0RDAK/Sig}} 18:45, 29 March 2011 (BST)
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| #Switching my vote, after the responses below. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 22:12, 29 March 2011 (BST)
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| #The creation of this group sparked a large negative response from the community and did spark alot of copycats. It also raised valid issues concerning associates of RG mods farming people into the Ignore List--[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 23:42, 29 March 2011 (BST)
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| #:<s>Being part of their mall tours for several years it would be hard not to vote for them. --[[User:QBee|QBee]] 03:25, 31 March 2011 (BST)</s>
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| #::You already did vote for them, see vote number 12 above.--{{User:Mallrat/sig}} 06:16, 5 April 2011 (BST)
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| #:::vote struck- were still gonna win this you turd.--<small> <span style="color: DarkMagenta">The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking </span><div style="display: inline-block; height: 14px; width: 18px; overflow: hidden; vertical-align: text-bottom;">[[User:Sexualharrison|<span style="position: absolute; display: block; font-size: 0px; height: 14px; width: 18px;"> </span>]][[Image:Boobs.sh.siggie.gif|18px]]</div> [[User talk:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">bitch</span>]] 07:03 5 April 2011 (UTC)</small>
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| #Yup. [[User:Kirsty cotton|Kirsty cotton]] 04:35, 31 March 2011 (BST)
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| #Yes. CK got me interested in PKing. --[[User:Amber Waves of Pain|Amber Waves of Pain]] 05:10, 31 March 2011 (BST)
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| #Nov puts them at four months. Still think PHOG, BBIII and Ackland Abattoir should be in if these guys go in but what do I know.-[[MHS|<span style="color: Black">'''MHS'''</span>]][[User_Talk:MHSstaff|<span style="color: DarkBlue">'''staff'''</span>]] 00:06, 1 April 2011 (BST)
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| #Yes, and Fuck Yeah! Everyone knows hows demented you were. I loved crushing all hope with you.--{{User:Psychotic Pantomime/sig}} 23:05, 1 April 2011 (BST)
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| #Yes, Not always into their schtick but they played a big part in the game, back when people played the game that is.--{{User:Rob Collick/sig}} 00:41, 3 April 2011 (BST)
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| #Yes. Every suburb they went people were talking about them. {{User:Dudemeister/sig}} 11:31, 3 April 2011 (BST)
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| #Fuck yes. The Columbine Kids are one of the most infamous groups just based on name and reputation alone. If you played the game on a regular basis before they disbanded, you most likely heard of them. The group also polarized people you either got it and loved them, got it and hated them, or didn't get it and hated them. The only thing about them that sucks is that they won't be around anymore and I never got around to leveling the character I wanted to join with before I left the game. -- {{User:Goribus/Sig}} 12:50, 3 April 2011 (BST)
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| #:join cobra, not as offensive, definitely as evil tho.--<small> <span style="color: DarkMagenta">The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking </span><div style="display: inline-block; height: 14px; width: 18px; overflow: hidden; vertical-align: text-bottom;">[[User:Sexualharrison|<span style="position: absolute; display: block; font-size: 0px; height: 14px; width: 18px;"> </span>]][[Image:Boobs.sh.siggie.gif|18px]]</div> [[User talk:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">bitch</span>]] 13:03 3 April 2011 (UTC)</small>
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| #::And just as crap.--{{User:Mallrat/sig}} 17:10, 3 April 2011 (BST)
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| #:::do u ever get tired of being wrong all the time? i mean like about everything.--<small> <span style="color: DarkMagenta">The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking </span><div style="display: inline-block; height: 14px; width: 18px; overflow: hidden; vertical-align: text-bottom;">[[User:Sexualharrison|<span style="position: absolute; display: block; font-size: 0px; height: 14px; width: 18px;"> </span>]][[Image:Boobs.sh.siggie.gif|18px]]</div> [[User talk:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">bitch</span>]] 19:01 3 April 2011 (UTC)</small>
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| #::::Let him pwease. People getting all riled up about us are good :p And also the most fun to shoot... {{SallySig}} 14:30, 4 April 2011 (BST)
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| #:::::For the sake of accuracy, I should point out that Cobra is in fact even ''more'' useless than CK was.--{{User:Mallrat/sig}} 20:03, 4 April 2011 (BST)
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| # crashing in-game weddings is cool --{{User:Michaleson/sig}} 18:04, 3 April 2011 (BST)
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| | # '''Yes''' - {{User:Peralta/Signature}} 13:29, 19 August 2022 (UTC) |
| *<s>Come back in three months - See rule #6 above. It hasn't been four months since they went inactive. YOG only left a month or two ago, otherwise I'd say yes. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 19:36, 27 March 2011 (BST)</s>
| | # '''Yes''' - [[User:Clayton Carmine|Clayton Carmine]] ([[User talk:Clayton Carmine|talk]]) 13:38, 19 August 2022 (UTC) |
| *:''the forums have been down for months'' - as indicated [[User_talk:Sexualharrison/Archive2#CK_Forum|here]]. Moloch's words don't sound like the group has been active as a group either for quite some time before. --{{User:Spiderzed/Sandbox/Sig}} 19:52, 27 March 2011 (BST)
| | # '''Yes''' - [[User:MicoolTNT|MicoolTNT]] 13:57, 19 August 2022 (UTC) |
| *::say yes it's easier--<small> <span style="color: DarkMagenta">The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking </span><div style="display: inline-block; height: 14px; width: 18px; overflow: hidden; vertical-align: text-bottom;">[[User:Sexualharrison|<span style="position: absolute; display: block; font-size: 0px; height: 14px; width: 18px;"> </span>]][[Image:Boobs.sh.siggie.gif|18px]]</div> [[User talk:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">bitch</span>]] 20:24 27 March 2011 (UTC)</small>
| | # '''Yes''' - {{User:Stelar/sig}} 14:00, 19 August 2022 (UTC) |
| *:Spiderzed is correct. The group ceased to exist months ago. The forums were closed and the leader (that would be me) idled out. --[[User:The Hierophant|Unhappydisgustingwow]] 07:39, 29 March 2011 (BST)
| | # '''Yes''' - [[User:Roddy Winters|Roddy Winters]] ([[User talk:Roddy Winters|talk]]) 17:27, 19 August 2022 (UTC) |
| *::'''Vote changed'''. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 22:12, 29 March 2011 (BST)
| | # '''Yes''' - [[User:Matt Langley|Matt Langley]] ([[User talk:Matt Langley|talk]]) 18:13, 19 August 2022 (UTC) |
| #'''No''' - Very few pker groups do enough to be considered notable or historic. The only reason anyone knows who the Columbine Kids are is pretty much some very minor wiki drama. They're no Amish, Red Rum, or DEA. They didn't help make a huge event and the most you can even note them for in their nomination is as being a tag along? An Historic Group these things do not make. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 20:01, 27 March 2011 (BST) | | # '''Yes''' - [[User:Tarkenton|Tarkenton]] ([[User talk:Tarkenton|talk]]) 20:33, 19 August 2022 (UTC) |
| #'''No''' - emphatically as Karek. -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 03:36, 28 March 2011 (BST) | | # '''Yes''' - {{User:Bob Moncrief/Sig}} 23:17, 19 August 2022 (UTC) |
| #:<s>'''No''' - As Aichon. -[[MHS|<span style="color: Black">'''MHS'''</span>]][[User_Talk:MHSstaff|<span style="color: DarkBlue">'''staff'''</span>]] 03:46, 28 March 2011 (BST)</s> | | # '''Yes''' - [[User:Simcoe|Simcoe]] 07:00, 20 August 2022 (UTC) |
| #::And now..? ;o) --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 23:35, 30 March 2011 (BST)
| | # '''Yes''' - [[User:Yo Ris|Yo Ris]] ([[User talk:Yo Ris|talk]]) 07:33, 20 August 2022 (UTC) |
| #:::Eligible so vote Changed. -[[MHS|<span style="color: Black">'''MHS'''</span>]][[User_Talk:MHSstaff|<span style="color: DarkBlue">'''staff'''</span>]] 00:08, 1 April 2011 (BST)
| | # '''Yes''' - [[User:RaiNo|RaiNo]] 10:14, 21 August 2022 (UTC) |
| #'''NO''' - Who the hell are these guys never even heard of them get real don't you have actually had to of done something? Wow they should change the name from historical status to Popular disbanded group since obviously you actually never had to of done anything. This is really pathetic the Profile police didn't get voted in but the Ck do????? Everyone who ever played this game has heard of the profile police but as I said before who the hell are the theses guys. [[User:Divs|Divs]] 04:48, 28 March 2011 (BST) | | # '''Yes''' - [[User:Frank Burn|Frank Burn]] ([[User talk:Frank Burn|talk]]) 13:46, 22 August 2022 (UTC) |
| #:You've never heard of CK, yet you've heard of some obscure group called Profile Police? CK are pretty well known. --{{User:Lady Clitoria/Sig}} 13:18, 3 April 2011 (BST)
| | # '''Yes''' - [[User:DoXBr|DoXBr]] ([[User talk:DoXBr|talk]]) 14:19, 23 August 2022 (UTC) |
| #::it's okay.. it's bad attitude barbie what do you expect? reality. nevah.--<small> <span style="color: DarkMagenta">The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking </span><div style="display: inline-block; height: 14px; width: 18px; overflow: hidden; vertical-align: text-bottom;">[[User:Sexualharrison|<span style="position: absolute; display: block; font-size: 0px; height: 14px; width: 18px;"> </span>]][[Image:Boobs.sh.siggie.gif|18px]]</div> [[User talk:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">bitch</span>]] 13:28 3 April 2011 (UTC)</small>
| | # '''Yes''' - [[User:Richardskull16|Richardskull16]] ([[User talk:Richardskull16|talk]]) 09:25, 24 August 2022 (UTC) |
| #'''No''' They were typical PKers and did not do anything but typical PKer stuff. --[[User:Josh Clark|Josh Clark]] 04:53, 28 March 2011 (BST)
| | # '''Yes''' - The Malton Globetrotters turbodunk the ayes! --{{User:Dragonshardz/dragonshardz}} {{Goonsig|Dragonshardz}} 00:58, 25 August 2022 (UTC) |
| #'''No''' As Karek and as Josh. --[[User:Penguinpyro|Penguinpyro]] 08:20, 28 March 2011 (BST) | | # '''Yes''' - {{User:Benigno/sig}} 16:57, 26 August 2022 (UTC) |
| #'''No''' Never heard of them. --[[User:Louis_Vernon|<span style="color: red">'''Louis Vernon'''</span>]] <span style="color:red">15:03 28 March 2011 (BST)</span>
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| #'''No''' Bad taste is neither historical or notable. [[User:Asheets|Asheets]] 16:35, 28 March 2011 (BST)
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| #'''No'''. As Asheets. We might as well put Assholio on the Historical Groups List with his various zerging neo-Nazi groups.--{{User:Mallrat/sig}} 18:03, 28 March 2011 (BST) | |
| #:how can you compare CK to cornhole? that insults everyones intelligence. we were at least good at what we did.--<small> <span style="color: DarkMagenta">The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking </span><div style="display: inline-block; height: 14px; width: 18px; overflow: hidden; vertical-align: text-bottom;">[[User:Sexualharrison|<span style="position: absolute; display: block; font-size: 0px; height: 14px; width: 18px;"> </span>]][[Image:Boobs.sh.siggie.gif|18px]]</div> [[User talk:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">bitch</span>]] 05:00 29 March 2011 (UTC)</small>
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| #::Because both CK and Cornhole's chief claim to fame is creating wiki drama through glorifying mass-murderers. But hey, for the lulz, right?--{{User:Mallrat/sig}} 16:43, 30 March 2011 (BST) | |
| #:::Yes, it's what all murderers truly crave: To be represented as borderline-retarded, monosyllabic, repressed homosexuals who kill because they are too stupid to do anything else. That truly is the definition of glory. There are several reasons why comparisons to Cornhoolio are absolutely cretinous, including the subtle distinction between actual satire and 4Chan 'here it is LOL' vomit, the not-exactly subtle distinction between stupid and wasteful murder and mechanised and legalised genocide, and then the entirely obvious distinction between a legitimate group of UD players and a single serial-zerging mass wiki vandal. Somehow though, I suspect that aiding you in grasping these will prove a sisyphean task on a par with trying to teach a particularly stupid dog a card trick. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 23:34, 30 March 2011 (BST)
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| #::::Much of what fuels mass murderers like the Columbine Kids is the desire for notoriety. You feed that notoriety and thereby encourage others. Most UD players never use the wiki so your pisspoor attempt at 'satire' is lost on them: all they see is 'Columbine Kids' tags. Even for those of us who frequent the wiki, the CK page has only got 15000 hits - FFS, even my [[TSI]] page has well over 50,000. As for Cornhole, you miss the point entirely - he's not historical, neither was this group. Hint for the future: satire is funny, not merely offensive, as Chris Morris could tell you.--{{User:Mallrat/sig}} 20:43, 1 April 2011 (BST) | |
| #:::::Yes and he can also attest to the fact that for every person who enjoys a piece of satire there will be a hundred or more whiny babblers shrieking their butthurt. The fact that you cite Chris Morris as an example in the same post in which you laughably assert that a group from a minor internet browser game could influence potential future mass murderers only underlines just how inexorably stupid you actually are. I suppose then that Chris Morris is a great influence upon the next generation of paedophiles, drug dealers and suicide bombers. After all, if you draw attention to something then that means that people will think that's cool and become more likely to do it themselves, right? As a part of his work Morris has made jokes about Myra Hindley and Peter Sutcliffe, so he runs the risk of inspiring murderers too. Hell, he did it on the television for the viewing of millions.
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| #:::::Your arguments are becoming increasingly garbled. You assert that Columbine Kids 'feed notoriety and thereby encourage others', then claim that they don't get enough attention to claim influence, and '''then''' subsequently cite a man who has an audience of millions and also uses representations of real-life murderers as an example of how satire 'should' be done! I'd suggest that you make up your mind, but it appears that you'd need the world's most powerful microscope simply to find it. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 17:23, 2 April 2011 (BST)
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| #::::::Lots of words, many insults, not much substance: looks like I touched a nerve and you're upset. Arguments by numbers for the hard-of-reading, do try to keep up: 1. Morris is funny, CK isn't. Having some wit counts for a lot in satire. 2. Most people playing UD don't read the wiki, so yes, they might well regard CK-tagged characters (shooting survivors in schools, etc.) as glorifying murderers. 3. CK claim historical status partly for stirring up wiki drama but in 6 months, even poor deluded Cornholioo's [[User_talk:Cornholioo|talk page]] got more hits than CK's talk page has in nearly two years. It's pretty easy to stir shit up; as for timed strikes, taking part in events, being runner-up in a PKer award, so what? Hardly epoch-making stuff.--{{User:Mallrat/sig}} 18:02, 2 April 2011 (BST)
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| #::::::::Not upset at all: I just genuinely enjoy slapping around people who try to present arguments and fail miserably. Note how there's no argument with Paddy, Karek, et al. They make their points in a rational fashion and, regardless of whether I agree or not, get due respect for it. You simply manufacture a fatuous comparison to a mass-zerger and wiki vandal and then, when that fails dismally, you resort to the old 'glorifies'/'encourages copycats'. Even then you screw that up by citing as an example a man whose whole career would, by that measure, have inspired murder, paedophilia and drug abuse (amongst other things) on a truly immense scale. Did anyone in CK ever expect to rival Morris? Not even slightly. Who could with a wiki page and a group name? Still, I'd rather do something a little different and be compared very much unfavourably with him than be yet another lame-wit peddling the same tired references to the same tired sketch from the same tired 70s show. | |
| #::::::::As for the number of page hits, an interesting pair of parallels there. Cornholio and TSI? Well, they have at least one thing in common... --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 19:15, 2 April 2011 (BST)
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| #:::::::::Well then, hopefully as the first voter here it will be helpful that I agree with you. Claiming that you see them as Cornholio equivalents is both kinda insulting(UDWiki, so I guess it's a bit expected) and irrelevant to whether or not their historical. The Dead were grade A dicks to a lot of people, ask any DHPD memebers, still totally historical. It's not really relevant to the vote Mallrat, did they have a impact on the game that you saw aside from that? That's the question that should be being answered.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 19:22, 2 April 2011 (BST) | |
| #::::::::::Exactly. Emotional responses against '''and''' in favor of the CK should not be justification for a no '''or''' a yes vote. And the comparison with Cornholio is bullshit. --{{User:Paddy Dignam/sig}} 20:21, 2 April 2011 (BST)
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| #:::::::::::Monty Python - now ''there's'' a historical group. Karek, my point re Cornhole is that he also created wiki drama, but there's no way he'd be considered historical for that, and to highlight that (as you said), CK's dramatic impact was minor. Paddy: "did they have a impact on the game that you saw aside from that?" - No.--{{User:Mallrat/sig}} 21:32, 2 April 2011 (BST) | |
| #:::::::::::: (NPOV comment: Papa Moloch has slapped poor Mallrat around like a boss) --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 16:54, 3 April 2011 (BST)
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| #:::::::::::::Arguments left unrefuted: that CK wasn't funny; that most UD players don't use the wiki; that even Cornhole generated more drama; that CK did nothing new as a PKer group; and that their in-game impact was minor. Moloch's had plenty of chances to come up with arguments rather than hysterical insults, and fluffed his lines every time. As I've said to Karek elsewhere, this has already had more attention from me than it deserves, so I'll leave Moloch to write another rambling essay if he wants.--{{User:Mallrat/sig}} 17:08, 3 April 2011 (BST)
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| #'''No'''--[[User:Tyx94|tyx94]] 22:48, 28 March 2011 (BST)
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| #'''No'''- I never would have heard of them if not for the wiki, metagame drama hardly seems basis for historical status - [[User:Legion8|Legion8]] 05:58, 30 March 2011 (BST) | |
| #:isn't that the point of the wiki? way to contradict yo'self --<small> <span style="color: DarkMagenta">The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking </span><div style="display: inline-block; height: 14px; width: 18px; overflow: hidden; vertical-align: text-bottom;">[[User:Sexualharrison|<span style="position: absolute; display: block; font-size: 0px; height: 14px; width: 18px;"> </span>]][[Image:Boobs.sh.siggie.gif|18px]]</div> [[User talk:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">bitch</span>]] 11:31 31 March 2011 (UTC)</small>
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| #::-It's hardly a contradiction, I just think a group has to have actually done something in game to be 'historical'.[[User:Legion8|Legion8]] 05:52, 2 April 2011 (BST)
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| #:::first learn how to indent. second read the bid, and our talk page, and bounties and get back to me.--<small> <span style="color: DarkMagenta">The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking </span><div style="display: inline-block; height: 14px; width: 18px; overflow: hidden; vertical-align: text-bottom;">[[User:Sexualharrison|<span style="position: absolute; display: block; font-size: 0px; height: 14px; width: 18px;"> </span>]][[Image:Boobs.sh.siggie.gif|18px]]</div> [[User talk:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">bitch</span>]] 12:36 2 April 2011 (UTC)</small>
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| #:::: I've seen them, but I still don't think it's basis for historical status. [[User:Legion8|Legion8]] 05:13, 3 April 2011 (BST)
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| #'''No'''- as Mallrat and Asheets.-{{User:ObiFireFighter/sig}} 22:10, 30 March 2011 (BST) | |
| #'''No''' - For the same reason Moloch voted no on the FOD’s bid: The CK "were undoubtedly good, but for me an historical group needs to have made a difference to the game itself. Sadly I don't think that they achieved that." Polarizing the metagame doesn’t change the way the game is played, in my opinion, nor does coordinating themed strikes. It’s true that I didn’t find the CK’s satire particularly funny or effective, but I never questioned their right to exist. They are a highly intelligent, articulate, legitimate group of UD players. But not historical. --{{User:Paddy Dignam/sig}} 23:50, 31 March 2011 (BST)
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| #'''No''' - I almost want to vote Yes to counter the ''they're offensive and therefore not historical'' argument. But from a more reasoned standpoint, I agree with Paddy. Trolling like this is fun for the whole family and they deserve a small share of our appreciation for bringing creativity and discussion to the game, just like any other group. But they were never large, they were only moderately organized, and they didn't impact the population ratio. --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 02:35, 1 April 2011 (BST)
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| #'''No''' As Karek. --[[Image:Cat Pic.png|14px]] [[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''Thadeous Oakley''']]</span> [[User_Talk:MisterGame|<span style= "color: black; background-color: white">'''''Talk''''']]</span> 20:46, 1 April 2011 (BST) | |
| #'''No''' As Karek. Trolls are a dime a dozen, and I only remember this group ''because'' they were trollbait (on the wiki). Otherwise, as pkers, they came, they killed, they got killed, and then they promptly left when they realized citizens in the suburb ignored them. --[[User:Macampos|Private Mark]] 21:04, 2 April 2011 (BST)
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| #^ --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 21:52, 2 April 2011 (BST)
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| *[[Category_talk:Historical_Groups/FailedArchive#The 4-H|The 4-H]] - '''Failed'''
| | #I was going to go with “Who?” but [[Talk:East_Becktown_Defenders#Your_page|apparently we’ve spoken]]. As they did not fix their page in the entire 4 years they spent as a group, I cannot in good conscience vote for this group to be historical. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} {{Goonsig|Revenant}} 16:13, 20 August 2022 (UTC) |
| | #From what I see is a run-of-the-mill survivor group engaged in standard survivor play of maintaining a particular area. It was not innovative (like MCM or 404 were), it didn't have a distinctive style (like for example B.A.R. or ULC would have), nor was it involved in significant events (like Escape or c4NT were). --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">▋</span>]]</span>''' 20:34, 23 August 2022 (UTC) |
| | #As Spiderzed. Groups that had some members, did some things, and had a central pitch of being "well liked" didn't classify as historical when Urban Dead was bigger. I don't believe that should change for groups that existed during UD's [[Survivor-Zombie_Imbalance#7|long tail]]. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig5}} 05:55, 25 August 2022 (UTC) |
| | #As Spiderzed. --[[User:Papa John Schnatter|Papa John Schnatter]] ([[User talk:Papa John Schnatter|talk]]) 17:25, 25 August 2022 (UTC) |
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| | With voting well and truly finished, the East Becktown Defenders have become a '''historical group'''. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig5}} 07:53, 7 September 2022 (UTC) |
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