UDWiki:Administration/Promotions

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This page is for users to request System Operator status. The act of user promotion is restricted to those with bureaucrat status, and as such users will need to request user promotion here. System Operators and Bureaucrats cannot assign promotions unless the request has gone through this page.

Guidelines for System Operator Requests

Users who wish to request System Operator status (and users who wish to nominate other users for System Operator status) should note that before they can be considered the following guidelines should be met by the candidate:

• Significant time within the community.

We define this as at least 6 months since the candidate's first edit.

Note: looking in a User's User contributions might give false results for this criterion, as the edit history is periodically purged on this wiki.

• Significant activity within the community.

We define this as at least 250 edits in the past six months under the candidate's name.

Note: looking in a User's User contributions might give false results for this criterion, as the edit history is periodically purged on this wiki.

• Prior interest in maintaining the community.

We define this as clear evidence that the candidate is already performing maintenance tasks and taking leadership roles on the wiki.

• Desire to become a System Operator.

We define this simply as indicating in the candidate's request their desire for the position (Note that if a person is nominated by another user, the candidate in question should note their acceptance of the nomination).

If a user is highly exemplary in one criterion, a certain amount of leeway may be given with the other criteria.

Once the candidate satisfies these guidelines, the user is then subject to a community discussion. All users are asked to comment on the candidate in question, ask questions of the candidate, and discuss the candidate's suitability for becoming a System Operator. This is not a vote. It is instead merely a request for comments from the wiki community. This will continue for two weeks to allow all users an opportunity to voice their opinion regarding a candidate's qualifications for promotion. After two weeks, the Bureaucrats are responsible for announcing their decision within a reasonably short period of time. Users may continue to add their thoughts until the Bureaucrats announce their decision. The current amount of System Operators running should not influence your decisions when voicing your opinion.

Once the two weeks are up, the Bureaucrats will review the community discussion and make a decision based upon it. The user will be notified of the status of their request, and will be promoted should it appear that the community is willing to accept them as a System Operator.

Example Application

Example User

• Example User (talk | contribs | UDWiki contribs | vndl data)

I've been around 3 months, and I've made to date 550 edits. As you can see [link here] and [link here], I've been in the leadership role attempting to create a new format for this page. I'd very much like to become a System Operator.

• Vouch - I am willing to vouch for this user. -- Voucher 03:41, 23 Jan 2006 (GMT)
• Against - Example User, I haven't seen any evidence of your work on the wiki. --Some user 19:01, 25 July 2006 (BST)
• Vouch - Example User is the most active guy here. --Another user 19:01, 25 July 2006 (BST)
• Abstain - I'm just not sure, but I don't want to say why for some reason. --Some other user 19:01, 25 July 2006 (BST)
• Question - I just want to know what you think about this subject? --Yet another user 21:26, 4 April 2013 (BST)

Candidates Currently Under Community Discussion

Johnny Twotoes

• Peralta (talk | contribs | UDWiki contribs | vndl data)

I'm going to keep this as short as possible, since I'm sure that a drawn out explanation won't gain anyone anything: I've been on the wiki since July of this year, and have made just under 2.000 edits to it. I pride myself in the Danger Center, which I started and against all odds and predictions in (and with a ton of community effort), we finished, as well as my list of locations I unstubbed, try to keep interesting and as well maintained as possible. The main reason I want to be a sysop is to be able to react immediately to spambots and vandals, rather than being limited to reverting their actions and seeing them do it all over again. ...and again. ...and again.

Thank you for your time and consideration.PB&J 21:32, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

It would help your bid if it had a proper section title and {{bid|John Doe}} template. -- Spiderzed█ 21:45, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

I wasn't aware of its existence, since it isn't specified anywhere on the page (incl. the Example User), but thanks for telling me PB&J 21:58, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Added, since that was a good point. —Aichon— 22:06, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Once again: thank you. I was under the impression Spiderzed added it, apologies for not giving away enough thanks to this team effort PB&J 22:08, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

• Against - You failed to do the basic janitorial work associated with promotion bids (section title, bid template and news update), which while not critical still doesn't reflect well on your knowledge and familiarity with wiki procedure. You are also a rare sight on the opinion pages (i.e. Vandal Banning and Misconduct), although there hasn't been going on much in the last few months. On the plus side, your danger map project shows a good knowledge of wiki coding and a willingness to lead projects. I'm certain you could get to the point of sys-opping within few months, but I don't see you quite there yet. Stick around, stick around more on the opinion pages, and I am certain it will get you somewhere. -- Spiderzed█ 22:14, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

  I looked at the instructions above before adding my promotion bid, and while I forgot to add a section title, I'd like to point out it says nowhere that I should add a bid template or adjust the news page. There was 1 Misconduct case since I've been here (yours), and while I kept an eye on how it evolved, I simply didn't feel the urge to step in at any point: it was a pretty clear case and all I could have said had been said already. I'll try and keep an eye on the page and speak out in the future. I was involved in reverting poopman9's vandalizing of several pages, and discussion wasn't really necessary after such marvellous contributions as this one or this Terminator sequel. Anyway, you're right when you say I should be more involved in the opinion pages, but I do know what's going on in general. Thanks for the feedback! PB&J 22:35, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

  It's true that opinion pages are going very slowly currently, but it makes it all the more important that you jump on any good case that pops up there while there is one. The one sys-op power users are most wary of is the ability to escalate and ban users. So it is expected that you show that you can come up with reasonable rulings that serve the situation, the rules and the wiki well. (Ironically, ruling on the opinion pages is also one of the least used and least important things an active sys-op does in practice.) - As for the instructions, it would have helped to look up any of the recent A/PM bids, and see how they were set up. The same thing is key to many other things. While you wait for your next bid, have a good look around the admin archives, and take note of key decisions and decisions on recurring situations (A/VB: impersonation, A/M: misapplied bans by sys-ops, A/MR: what to do if someone creates a character page in main space etc.). While having precedent at your fingertips isn't critical, it is something that will help you to leave a good impression as a sys-op candidate. -- Spiderzed█ 18:01, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

  I looked at this one, which is the most recent and one I gave my opinion in, and while I admit forgetting the header was a mistake, I don't see a bid template anywhere there... PB&J 19:20, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

  Oh dear. Next time look at a few promotion archive pages, not just a joke one! A ZOMBIE ANT 23:59, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

• Against for now. You got promise but it's a bit too soon. Give it till January and if everything is still good, I'll vote yes. Although I do have some concern that PK is attempting to take control of the wiki. -- _{Org XIII} ^Alts 22:40, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

  Anything in particular I should keep an eye on or is it just a time limit? Not sure about PK taking over, but just in case it happens: I'll try to kill you last when we conquer the rest of the world. PB&J 22:43, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

  I think you are doing fine now, just want to make sure you don't burn out. For some reason, I'm just stuck on the about 6 months time period. -- _{Org XIII} ^Alts 22:53, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

  Fair enough. PB&J 22:55, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

  I feel compelled to point out that, contrary to popular belief, the Philosophe Knights are not a form of shadow government controlling the puppet strings for the entire meta-game. You can rest assured in the fact that our comprising half of the active sysop team despite having relatively few members was not accomplished for the purpose of fulfilling any ulterior motives or shady plans, but was rather instrumented for your benefit and well-being. I assure you, we have no designs to continue holding sway over the activities of everyone here, nor are we pulling the wool over anyone's eyes. —Aichon— 23:08, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

  LIES! What's next? Are you getting to get the puppet master himself to tell me everything is okay? -- _{Org XIII} ^Alts 23:14, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

  “A single lie destroys a whole reputation for integrity” Baltasar Gracian PB&J 23:17, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

  Everything is fine. Nothing is broken. (This is real.) ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 06:46, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

  There he is. :P -- _{Org XIII} ^Alts 12:31, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

• Question How large can an image be when used in a user's signature? ~ _{00:03, 20 November 2012 (UTC)}

  Answer: 50kb PB&J 08:31, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

  Correct.Question 2 - How did it make you feel looking up that mundane piece of info. Is that the sort of thing you'd enjoy doing often? ~ _{15:10, 20 November 2012 (UTC)}

  Answer: I'm used to navigating the Wiki Help pages, since I'd rather be correct and 5 seconds slower than messing up nice pagedesign (not that it never happens) or messing up my signature. PB&J 19:29, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

  Hmm. I'm not sure there is a good correlation between looking up things on Wiki Help and knowing policy. There are a lot of nuiances in policy and sometimes it is not straight forward. And much of it involves unwritten policy. There are case precedents and which even seem to go against wiki policies. I guess the point is, are you person who is willing to jump into WIKI LAW. All it would take is another March of the Dead or Nazi Zombies (or both if you're unlucky) and it would be upon you. I'd like to know if you'd be a Boxy, or would you be just another Shortround. ~ _{18:21, 21 November 2012 (UTC)}

  Whenever I'm unsure, I prefer asking people with a bit more history in the business about advice, rather than taking rash actions. I think a lot of people around here can tell you I'm quite open to feedback on most fronts (barring my sense of fashion, which is impeccable!). I'm more than willing to learn anything that would be tied to any function I take upon myself, so that's a yes concerning WIKI LAW. PB&J 18:35, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

  I always ride into battle against the dead in my MINI VAN--Ross Less Ness ^{Enter Stranger...} 18:27, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

  Against. It was the stubs project and the cades project that did it for me. Those are pretty admirable projects (if maybe a bit lofty) but your request for feedback from multiple users had a certain air of showboating about it. And I also get the sense here with your bid that this is more about an achievement you seek. There is no glory in being a sysop. No entitlement. No badge. Its loathesome, thankless bitchwork that comes with quite a bit of hate from a fairly large cross-section of the UD community. That isn't to say that people can't thrive as a sysop. There is a certain persona that fits quite nicely into the role. People being round pegs filling round holes in the wiki. I just don't see that in you, I'm afraid. You're being a square peg. Perhaps you can be humbled enough to fit the persona one day. In the meantime, enjoy the game. There are plenty of other ways to climb ranks and earn respect from your peers. Keep up with your wiki projects and be proud of them. Keep trying new play styles and above all...have fun. ~ _{18:16, 24 November 2012 (UTC)}

  I'm not looking for ranks or "achievements", and while I know I can be quite annoying when I do ambitious projects, when I ask feedback, it's as much to showboat as it is to look for reassurance that I'm doing it right and doing something worth doing. I'm well aware the words Thank you, sysop are rarely uttered, while taking verbal potshots at them seems to be common practice now and then. As I stated in my application, I was mainly tired of not being able to block spambots. There is no glory in being a sysop, it just comes in handy when doing extensive projects and when maintaining the wiki. PB&J 21:19, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

  Have changed my mind. But I had to bust your balls a bit, first. You're alright, Johnny Twotoes. Kind of remind me of me back before I became a sysop. You'd be fine as a sop and would bring something different to the team so why not. So if you really want to do this, you got my vouch. ~ _{01:53, 26 November 2012 (UTC)}

• Weak Against - Now I don't want to seem like I'm putting down the recent effort you've spent in helping make this wiki better- because I know it's been a lot, and I think that's excellent and I in particular have been very appreciative. However, I think you need just a bit more time becoming acquainted with the tools and responsibilities of sysops on udwiki (like what spiderzed said). I too live in a dream world where we could be sysops for the primary reasons of killing bots, but it isn't so, and there's a much wider picture associated with being an op that a candidate has to be well versed in. In time I'd love for you to get the buttons. However, I think it could be in a couple of months. A ZOMBIE ANT 00:16, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
• Question I'm massively drunk, as it's my birthday and I accidentally wandered into a singles night at my local pub. What's the best way to curb my power? --Ross Less Ness ^{Enter Stranger...} 00:17, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

  Answer: Why curb it? I'd sit back, see how it plays out and if things get out of hand, I'd gently escort you home (before dropping in the front yard, but after making sure nobody at the previously mentioned pub is filing for a restraining order or worse). Sounds like a fun night out for a birthday. PB&J 08:31, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

• Question Do you feel the wiki currently has a) too little, b) too much, or c) just the right amount of drama? Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 01:19, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

  I believe wiki drama to be a neverending story, which means it's basicly a gonimetric function, with ups and downs. As such, I think there isn't an "ideal" amount of drama present at any time. There may be surges (and purges) of drama once in a while, but in the end, the drama will always balance out and keep this wiki a place for people, not machines. PB&J 08:31, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

  Vouch. I feel that you have the skills and drive necessary for the job, and your extensive wiki work means you've earned my trust. Thanks for your answer! Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 20:55, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

  Thanks for your trust, and also for your massive amount of status updates on the wiki, they keep it all a bit more alive. PB&J 21:46, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

• Question - What is the extraphysical meaning of this wiki? --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 01:33, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

  A way to expand on what is otherwise an incredibly simplistic game. The wiki serves as social meeting place, but also as a center of culture: one of the only reasons UD is still alive is the fact that we, the players, are empowered to give meaning to events, locations and other people. While this sounds simple, it's quite unique. PB&J 08:31, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

• MEGAVOUCH - You deserve the buttons just as much as Boxy--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 06:47, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

  Thank you for your confidence! PB&J 08:31, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

• against too soon. while I like you personally. i agree with spidey. stick around try again next year and I think you are a sure in.--User:Sexualharrison08:38, 20 November 2012

  I understand, and I suggest the 2 month limit to be adjusted to avoid future cases like mine. PB&J 08:42, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

• Against Your account name is Peralta, you use Johnny Twotoes as an alias while using "TR" as a signature. Come back when you made up your mind on this. Also as everyone else. -- Thadeous Oakley Talk 15:00, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

  Mistergame, you're brilliant. --Ross Less Ness ^{Enter Stranger...} 15:16, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

  Right back at you for the wiki account name. Johnny Twotoes is my ingame name (and I used it for a long time on the wiki as well), TR is my PK handle (Twotoes reborn). PB&J 19:08, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

  The irony was not lost on me, but seriously, I have used the same name for years consistently, it's not even remotely comparable. -- Thadeous Oakley Talk 11:09, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

  Gotta start it at one point ;) A ZOMBIE ANT 11:58, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

  OK, but which one is it then? Question: What should I call you? Pick one. -- Thadeous Oakley Talk 15:56, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

  If you absolutely want one, go for TR. I really don't care what people call me, as long as it's respectfull and I know they're talking to or about me. I'll listen to "Johnny", "Twotoes", "the guy who started the whole map project", "one of the guys who started the 5th of November slaughter", "that guy with two toes" or whatever you can come up with, point is I'm always the same guy. PB&J 18:17, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

• Vouch - Smash the system. While I understand the idea that the perfect candidate has experience in AVB/AM/AA as well as janitorial bitchwork, the reality is that drama today is not what it was three years ago, so why even use those as "benchmarks." Sysops today seem to spend most --- if not all --- of their time on beating down bots and deletion/movement requests, which are things that he seems to be familiar with. When I look at Peralta, I see someone who learns quickly, understands both the potential and everyday use of the wiki, and actually seems to have a genuine interest in maintaining/supporting it. I think the concept of "on-the-job" training applies here, so why not 1)Introduce some flesh blood into the ranks 2)Have Peralta essentially learn about other sysop duties that are, frankly, seldom used while he can actively help by smashing down bots now (which is needed) 3)Reevaluate how he does in six months. Either he learns and you have a new, experienced sysop or he screws it up and is kicked to the curb and you are in the same position that you are now. Not a lot risk here. -MHSstaff 23:08, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
• Question - Should I be warned for this edit? Gordon 11:33, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

  Yes. WARNED. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 13:00, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

  Weak Against I asked this question in order to see how you would respond to the sort of ambiguous case that sometimes comes to vandal banning and misconduct. The ability to put forward a reasonable opinion on contentious cases is one of the most important attributes a sysop can have. Without knowing how you would react in such cases I reluctantly cannot vouch. Gordon 12:10, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

• Although Danger centre was a wonderful project, I'd like to see a bit more general admin stuff and some longevity before you were promoted. Last thing we want is sysops who just do stuff for a few months and then completely vanish.--Shortround }.{ My Contributions 14:41, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

  Uh huh... Gordon 15:02, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

  I love it when people can poke fun at themselves like this. <3 —Aichon— 19:32, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

  lold A ZOMBIE ANT 23:57, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

• Question: following up on what you just said to Vapor, how is the position of sysop handy when doing "extensive projects"? I've never quite understood that argument, so I'd be interested in what sorts of projects you have in mind or how you imagine the buttons will be able to help you with your current projects. At least for me, I can only think of one personal project in my entire time here where being a sysop made it a lot easier for me. —Aichon— 03:30, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

  destroying bitz!?!--User:Sexualharrison05:12, 25 November 2012

  Hunting them is a personal project, but destroying them is just a shared administrative obligation, and one we seem to have under control at the moment. Something like redesigning a set of pages or creating a new system for getting things done around here would be a personal project. The administrative obligations will get done by a sysop regardless, and we already know what they are anyway. —Aichon— 05:37, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

  Quite simple: you can move, rename or delete pages, something that would have helped both me and Charles quite a bit with the map. I'm aware you can just ask, but when you do it in large amounts at once, it can take a while. PB&J 12:12, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

  While it's true that we can do those things, how specifically would those abilities have helped? From what I saw, you guys didn't need sysop help for that project at all, since you completed it without a single A/D, A/SD, A/MR, or A/PT request. And in thinking back, nothing immediately comes to mind that would have been easier for you guys if you had been a sysop. I actually am very curious, so if there is something specific you can think of, awesome, but if not, just be careful with making generalizations that can't be backed up with examples or evidence, since those will get you into trouble on rulings. I'm not trying to be a jerk, but I did want to make that point, as well as to highlight the fact that you're a shining example of what any user can do on the wiki, regardless of having the buttons or not. People shouldn't be using the lack of buttons as an excuse for not doing things, and you've shown that it's very possible to do a whole hell of a lot without them. I hope more people around here follow the example you're setting. :) —Aichon— 23:42, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

  I'm not taking offense, it'd be rather worrying if you just vouch or go for against without any indepth questions ;) Anyway, I'm pretty sure this part would have been easier. Those are the try-outs for the map, before we moved it to the public space. I haven't gotten around to cleaning or archiving them, or putting them up for deletion, so I'm afraid that's the best way to show it. PB&J 01:58, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

• Question what do you think of my cookies?--User:Sexualharrison20:46, 25 November 2012

  I think a promotion bid isn't the right place to ask for feedback ;) PB&J 01:58, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

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