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==Donation made Forgot to specify characters==
I just made a donation but I forgot to write in which 3 characters I want to play all the time as, how long till I can unlock the characterrs?[[User:JoshCz|JoshCz]] ([[User talk:JoshCz|talk]])


Fixed on his talk page. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/a}} 16:00, 8 April 2015 (UTC)


== Could I just be really unlucky? ==
==There's a new update!==
 
Would someone who can edit the main page fix that please?  I don't know why, but the prospect of something NEW there is incredibly satisfying. It took 365 days, so I guess there's that.--<span style="border:solid 1px #AF7817; padding: 0px 1px; background-color: #E7DFCE; color: black;">'''[[User:Squid Boy/SaysF|Seekandyeshallfind]]'''</span> <sup>[[User_talk:Squid Boy/SaysF|<span style="border:solid 1px #AF7817; padding: 0px 1px; background-color: #E7DFCE; color: black;">QI</span>]]''' <sup>[[Philosophe Knights|<span style="color:#AF7817">PK</span>]]</sup></sup> 12:46, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
For the past 3 days, I have not been able to hit with my attacks at all.  Attacking at 40% with a fire axe, using around 45AP on attacks, I have not hit once.  Am I just really unlucky? Or is it zerging counter-measures?
:A helpful little gnome got it. For future reference, the text comes from [[Template:Lastupdate]], which any autoconfirmed user can edit. --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 16:39, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
 
Note: I do have one alt, a Zombie in Mornington, my main is a survivor in West Grayside.
 
--[[User:Tasty Sub|Tasty Sub]] 03:16, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 
Interesting, I don't think its Zerging. You might want to post that in the [[Bug Reports]] section of the wiki.--[[User:Zaphord|Zaphord]] 04:53, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 
The same thing has been happening to me. I don't know about this, but I just got back from a UD hiatus for a while.
When I took a shot at a zombie in a ruined building with closed doors I received the text:
"You took a shot into the darkness, missing the zombie" or something similar. I did, though, land the first shot.
I did notice that my pistol had less hit percentage as well...--[[User:RobertG|RobertG]]
 
==Hmm...==
Standing Survivors : 9550 (44%)
Standing Zombies : 11752 (56%)
 
When did that happen?? The cemetery RP next to buckley has 64 zeds...amusing. maybe we're finally gonna get some apocalyptic action!--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 05:27, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 
:I think it's because of the new FAK search rate in malls. I know my success rate has been cut in at least half, even with a genny. And since hospital search rates weren't bumped, and sucked to begin with, that's a lot less hp for zombies to deal with.
 
:Or maybe there's some new zombie tour/group trashing the burb and I'm just not aware of it. --[[User:Antipathy|Antipathy]] 07:20, 16 November 2008 (EST)
::Hospital search rates didn't suck, they were the second best in game only beaten out by mall FAK rates. More likely it's just Borehamwood combined with the holiday season downing survivor numbers.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:37, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
:::I think Kevan kept those values separate. I'm not positive though. And I think the ratio is so disproportionate because of the new update to the Mall FAK search rates, as Antipathy said above. --{{User:Omega360/Sig}} 04:51, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
::::I can't see FAKs making a huge difference. I mean in a multiply by a billion sense it could, but if a zombie gets you chances are you'll die hp regardless.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 05:05, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
::::It's roughly 1 AP per FAK but you get a potential 5 more hp healed. That's like claiming scanning makes revives uber-expensive or ruins were debilitating to survivors before you took damage from them. It's not a big deal and has been around long enough that it's obviously not what is causing this recent swing.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 05:43, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::The same thing happened with Monroeville, a downturn in survivor numbers. It will pick up. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 09:23, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
::::::Momentary loss of interest in Malton, probably. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 18:27, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Yep. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:37, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
::::FAKS do make a big difference.  When FAKS are very common, most survivor have 60 HPS - enough that a lone zombie generally can not kill them after spending AP moving around, tearing down light barricades, etc.  If FAKS are rare and saved for serious injury / infection, zombies often find 40-59HP survivors to kill.  That makes a difference even in the numbers MOB can kill during a strike, let alone their feral cloud.  Plus, more frequent kills means survivors spend more AP on revives and healing.  Basically its a small change that has a ripple effect.  {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 16:34, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
That "momentary loss of interest" in the established map should tell us all a lot about what most players think about starting fresh. I know people who have come back to the game to play on the new maps but don't drift back into Malton afterwards. The fact that so many seem to switch allegiance for the duration of a new map strongly suggests that a lot of the none donating players don't care about the games history and just want to experience the short term and far more equal/exciting battle for a new city. Does anyone know if the overall number of players is up? I hope so because it would probably be a spur to create more new cities.--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 13:39, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
:Judging from some of the behavior ive seen. (survivors sitting in the street, especially outside VSB buildings, and the killing and non dumping of bodies,) Theres a lot of newbs. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 13:43, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
::New players are a good thing though and given a bit of a chance they can and do learn. Of course not all of them stay long enough, especially on a temp map with perma death for survivors but still. As for the survivors sat outside... a lot of that is down to dummy accounts made simply to provide an easy source of XP. --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 13:56, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
:::I sure it is. When monroeville came out, I was almost sure kevan had spammed street alts for us zombies to feast on. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 16:35, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
Standing Survivors : 8440 (39%) Standing Zombies : 12714 (61%)
 
Plus, 57% of Survivors are zombie hunters. Still think this is due to Monroeville? --[[User:Antipathy|Antipathy]] 15:27, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
:no. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:30, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
::Whoops, I meant Borehamwood, not Monroeville. --[[User:Antipathy|Antipathy]] 23:35, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
:::That number isn't actually strange.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 05:32, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 
== Bugged? ==
 
okay, i'm in spicer hills and i'm in hopping road police station and the blocks all around me say "cOdE4HrPsout" is this a bug or is it just my computer?--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 22:25, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
:Uninstall any UD addons you've got.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 02:24, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 
==[[Template:InactiveGroup]]==
Just made this so inactive groups that are not historical can still be noted as such. If we ever do another Suburb Group Massacre (talking about that, it's been roughly half a year since the last one. Who feels like doing some more group massacring,) this template could be used to indicate inactive groups (on their page, of course,) and older, inactive groups in general.
 
It's based off [[Template:HistoricalGroup]], but is not intended as a replacement. For one, it is for historically insignificant groups that still existed.
 
Thoughts?
 
{{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 05:29, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
::Decembers never good. Too many users at work/college, off on holidays. we can run it again in january. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 09:38, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
:::I was thinking January, but if I have internet access when I'm away, I might be able to get started in mid-December. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 10:38, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
::::Maybe. I want to refine the system slightly, groups on the stats page are assumed to be active etc. shouldn't take as long as last time anyway. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:59, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::Someone needs to do a Great Radio Group Massacre as well, although someone was planning it at one point. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 11:03, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::I'll help with a Radio Group Massacre, if one finally gets started.  And another group massacre.  Yay for cleaning up the wiki.  (Err...and on the subject at hand, I think the template sounds like a very good idea, and has probably been needed ever since crit 12 was removed. It would make it very clear which groups are worth checking out as a new person, and which pages are just archives. Are there specific standards, though, for differentiating between a historical group and an inactive group?) --[[User:Jen|Jen]] 15:57, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, historical groups have to be voted on. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 08:10, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I've gotten a [[Radio/Group Massacre|Great Radio Group Massacre]] started, by the way Jen. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 23:15, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
:This template needs new colors and image, otherwise it can be easily confused with the historical template. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 15:51, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 
:::It will have a different name and feature a date. something like Group massacre 2008 die harder. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 16:05, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
::::fucking reading words is haaaaaaard. link, where in australia are ya from? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 17:02, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::You can discuss more on. http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Talk:The_Great_Suburb_Group_Massacre#2008 --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:28, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::How come i suggesting new colors and image for the inactive group template turned out to be a discussion about another suburb group massacre ? --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 20:20, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Because that's what the template was intended for. Obviously, the colors should be changed, but I suck at coding. Any ideas? {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 20:28, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 
Hmm. By the looks of it, [[The Great Radio Group Massacre]] is going to find hordes of inactive groups. Is anyone against me adding this template to groups that don't reply and are '''obviously inactive''' (no activity on the main page, not on the stats page?) {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 08:24, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
:Anyone got any disagreement? I'll assume [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Silence and consensus|silence implies consent,]] until someone talks ;). {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 02:22, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
::Alright, I've started throwing these on groups that are obviously inactive-that is, no stat-page action, no edits on their pages for a while, and no activity on their forums (if they have them.) {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 10:51, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 
== Rotters at revive points? ==
 
Sometimes I am reviving at a revive point and their is a rotter there. I kill a zombie but it doesn't kill the rotter at the front of the line it kills someone else. I think I read something about this early on but can't figure out where I read it. What I'm wondering is how do you clear a rotter out of a revive point? Can someone explain to me why this happens or link to somewhere that can? Thanks--[[User:Jamespoky|Jamespoky]] 04:55, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
:You can try adding the rotter to your contact list, then selecting the rotter to attack. You'll have to grab the rotter through a DNA extractor or by the rotter revealing himself through an attack or speech, of course.--{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 05:09, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
It's a tactic, James. Organised zombies sleep in the revive queues in order to slow the turnover. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 05:32, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 
It's usually better done by a survivor with a shotgun. It's a legitimate tactic, if a bit annoying (rotters that are "survivors" will usually sleep away from non-rotter RP's so rotters can get revived.) {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 10:01, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 
:Thanks for the reply's, I know its a tactic and all but I don't understand why the zombie that has been standing there longest without logging in, which is in the front of the revive queue (I believe thats how the revive queue's work), In this case the rotter, isn't also the first one to be attacked and killed. Sorry I poorly worded my previous question. I don't understand what the game uses as factors to decide which zombie gets attacked first when their's multiple zombies at a location, is it like lowest hp or something? I just always thought that the zombie next in line to be revived would also be the next to get attacked. I'll have to try adding the rotter to my contact's. Thanks--[[User:Jamespoky|Jamespoky]] 15:55, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 
::It determines it in the same way the survivors screen determined the order you see the characters on list. Just you can't target. So, basically, Activity. The confusing part here is that [[DNA Extractor]]s use a ''different'' form of searching out the list, specifically it always goes to the First unscanned in the stack(list of names/users) instead of the first user. That functionality used to work in a manner so that Brain Rotting was stronger when syringes used less AP, because you couldn't see the profile and didn't have the Revivify This Specimen button you couldn't always know if a rotter was top stack until you scanned everyone or used a syringe, you still can't but you can now revive below top of the stack and get profiles to singularly kill below top of the stack. Basically now Brain Rot's main functionality is preventing scanning, not preventing revives. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 02:29, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 
:::I see, wow was I mixed up! Thanks for the excellent explanation.--[[User:Jamespoky|Jamespoky]] 19:20, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 
== it's not letting me do any thing and signing out ==
 
i can sign in and clik on links, but thats it. every time i click on a building or action it just signs me off, can anyone help me with this problem please.
:[[Bug Reports]]. I believe there are a few there that might cover this, if there aren't feel free to report it there and someone will let you know what's going on. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 03:35, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
ok it was there but there suggestions didn't help im still getting kick off when i do something. Thanks for the help though.....any more suggestion
 
== Unlucky? Don't think so. ==
 
I play 3 zombie characters, always keep them separated.  I attack with hands, usually graab someone within 2-3 attacks.  After that, I try to bite and blow through 45 AP without a hit.  This has happenned more than once- more like 10 times.  The odds against it are staggering.  Am I running afoul of the "no cooperation" AI?  I love the idea of this game, but the implementation is driving me away.  I like the "no cheaters" stuff, but seriously- make it realistic.
:Do you have tangling grasp?? There is a massive tangling grasp bug that means for some people you just don't hit. It's addressed a lot of [[Bug Reports]] and [[Known Bugs]]. While i wish Kevan would fix it all i can do is offer you my tips for minimising the misses. Try using bite as much as possible, it works fine for me. And ifyou do have to use hands, attack once, then if it hits attack someone else striaght away. Don't utilise the grasp or the bug kicks in and you just keep missing, good luck.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 05:07, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 
Ah- wish I had come here before I tried again.  I definitely agree about tangling grasp bug- I just attacked a survivor with hands, hit on the first try, then had 43 straight misses with bite.  That's a 0.00002% chance- better chance hitting Powerball or getting whacked by a meteorite.
 
So I guess getting tangling grasp has really screwed me- what I hoped would double my chances actually ends up driving them to zero.  How does one go about reporting a bug?  I understand it's been reported already, I just want to add my experience to the pile.
 
Thanks, ciggy.
 
== Uploading troubles ==
 
I am trying to get [[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Image:Malton001.JPG this]] to change over to  [http://wiki.urbandead.com/images/a/a1/Malton001.JPG this] image, but it does not seem to be working. I have tried using the “Upload a new version of this file” button to no noticiable affect. Any advice? [[User:John Ibans|John Ibans]] 18:37, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:You may need to refresh your thingy, browser. I'm pretty sure firefox is ctrl+R --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:56, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 
== Making a similar game ==


I'm thinking of setting up a game with a similar set up as urbandead, are theyre any links you could recomend that would help me with this? Or any problems I may encounter?--[[User:Athur birling|Athur birling]] 16:49, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
== Ms Malton 2011 Pageant ==
:If you have to ask then making a similar game to Urban Dead is probably abit beyond you at the moment. Urban Dead is essentially a big fat database with the information of the game in it, and then a web page that allows you to access the database and change the data it holds, by doing actions in game. If I were you I would start learning PHP and MySQL, they are both free to use and reasonably easy to learn. Check out: http://w3schools.com/php/default.asp .--[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 23:00, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
Would it be possible to put a link to this event on the front page thru August 2011 from here:
http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Ms_Malton_2011_Pageant#Entry_Requirements:


Thank you it's very helpfull --[[User:Athur birling|Athur birling]] 20:14, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
[[User:SmokeyDawn|SmokeyDawn]] 06:17, 3 July 2011 (BST)
:Head over [[Template:Community_Projects|here]] and follow the instructions. Anything you post in there gets included on the main page. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 08:25, 3 July 2011 (BST)


== New Page Design ==
::Thank you for the info & editing help! ♥--[[User:SmokeyDawn|SmokeyDawn]] 07:01, 9 July 2011 (BST)


Me and [[User:The Rooster|The Rooster]] have been working on a new page design, which you can [[User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sandbox3|see here]]. Some areas of the new Main Page aren't quite done yet such as the Community Portal and other possible tweaks. The Wiki News section and the Community Portal section will be templated if this is approved. Such changes can be implemented through discussion editing.
== Outbreak Source? ==


Give your approval or disproval through '''Yay''' or a '''Nay''' if you like/dislike the idea. Constructive criticism would be good. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 00:29, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
Did anyone know where the zombie virus came from? (You know, except from NecroTech.) Like, did it come from Ridleybank? Or some NecroTech facility outside of Malton? Is there a known source, geographically? Tried searching the wiki, but nothing came up. --[[User:Rolfero|Rolfero]] 16:02, 10 June 2009 (BST)
*'''Yay''' - Always wants a more UD style page. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 00:37, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
:[[Outbreak]] and [[Possible Causes for the Situation]] are the best ones, but there isn't really any stuff on where it came from. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 16:27, 10 June 2009 (BST)
*'''Yay''' - <--Obviously. Anyway, Gnome should be credited with most of the work here, I just offered an opinion occasionally. The redesigned page is better at a lot of things, and is a worthwhile improvement in my view. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 00:44, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
::Reading Time! Thanks. --[[User:Rolfero|Rolfero]] 16:36, 10 June 2009 (BST)
*'''May''' - It'd be rather awesome.--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 00:50, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
:::From a RP point of view, there is no confirmed source. read half a dozen location pages and you'll come up with one with a theory. For instance. [[Blabey Drive]]--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 16:38, 10 June 2009 (BST)
*'''Yay''' Looks good to me--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 00:59, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
::::That's cool. Hmm... You know any more locations like that? I'll search around and try to find as many as possible. --[[User:Rolfero|Rolfero]] 16:46, 10 June 2009 (BST)
*<s>'''Yay''' - Shoop da woop! {{User:Met fan/sig}} 01:17, 20 February 2009 (UTC)</s>
:::::There's a few on [[ALiM]], i forget which one's though. One of the dead interesting ones, a coffin lolcations p'aps? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:01, 13 June 2009 (BST)
**'''Nay''' - The more I look at it, the more my eyes bleed. {{User:Met fan/sig}} 20:38, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
*<s>'''Yea''' --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 01:22, 20 February 2009 (UTC)</s>
**'''Nay''' --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 09:18, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Yay''' - Lookin' sharp! I would rather like the original UD banner to remain on the main page, but that's my only complaint. --[[User:Claude Garrison|Claude Garrison]] 02:23, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Yay''' - Definite change in the positive direction. -- {{User:BlackReaper/sig}} 02:26, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Nay''' - No. It looks a little more annoying to me due to the dark green and then bright pink. The UD website has the nice forest green background on all of the pages which makes it look nice, but we have white which doesn't look good at all and it wouldn't make sense to go from that page with all that color, to pages like this.. And I wouldn't want you to change the background of all the wiki to green because that would look fuck awful.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 02:30, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''No Way''' The wiki looks professional. If you change the colour of the main page to green, then wouldnt you need to do that with the rest of the wiki too? Leave as is. It is classic.--{{User:Disco Inferno/signature}} 03:23, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Yay''' - A change for the good.--{{User:Lithedarkangel/signature}} 03:54, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Yay''' - Looks good. I'd like to see the "First Time Playing?" box retained in some way, though. {{User:Extropymine/sig}} 07:11, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Ewwwww'''- yuck yuck yuck, it's tacky! I like the classic look. It fits in with everything. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:27, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Nay''' - Trying to make a wikipage look good makes the code look horrible (all those &lt;font color="#FF9999"&gt;s inside links, yuck). The page by itself looks pretty good but it doesn't fit with the rest of the wiki. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>¦[[User talk:Midianian|T]]¦[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]¦[[Suggestions|SP]]¦</sup></small> 08:08, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Weak Yay''' - Mid and all the Nay voters make good points. But it still looks good :). {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 08:15, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
**Like the third one the best. It's pretty, but doesn't go overboard. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 20:16, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Hugely anal Nay''' Can we have a box around the headline flavour text? Just to show where it ends, and can we make vandal reporting, deletions and the like more visible? its hard enough to for newbs to find these pages as it is. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 09:03, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''No!'''- It's so bland!! Add some better borders! {{User:Liberty/Sign}} 09:11, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Yay''' - Looks good, I like it. --{{User:Dr Eddie Ashford/Sig}} 10:41, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Nat''' - Not that smart looking --[[User:Athur birling|Athur birling]] 11:03, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Weak Nay''' - As SirAgro and Disco Inferno. Also, I think it'll be harder to use than the current page because of the inconsistency between that and the other pages on the wiki. It does look really good though. --{{User:Jasonjason/sig}} 11:21, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Yeah''' - but make the introductory text and latest news sections be in the same row (with latest news '''floating''' right) --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User_talk:Hagnat|[talk]]] [[Special:Listadmins|[mod]]]</sup> 11:50, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''YAY!''' - It's AWESOME!--[[User:OrangeGaf|OrangeGaf]] 12:56, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Yay''' --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 13:08, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Strong No''' The green colors arent working at all for me. I really prefer the current design. It would also be out of line with the rest of the wiki.--[[User:MisterGame|Thadeous Oakley]] 13:22, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''NAY''' -- The proposed look is OK, but I prefer the classic wiki look. [[User:Asheets|Asheets]] 16:26, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''NAY'''- While I will admit that the current page could use some changes, I don't like the idea of a main page that looks so different from the rest of the Wiki. With the entire page in a uniform color, it is difficult to find a particular link. The current page is much cleaner and neater, in appearance. (IMO)--{{User:Lois_Millard/sig}} 16:35, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Nay.''' - While I can understand where you are coming from (and congrats on that page btw it looks nice) it just makes the front page too cluttered, it makes it too hard to get places as well as being hard for newbs to jump in and find important information, and it just doesn't look right from a visual design standpoint. Sorry.--[[User:S1leNt RIP|S1leNt RIP]] 17:05, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''NAY''' -- The front page of the Wikia looks professional and clean, though I love Urban Dead Im not so adamant about having the Wikia mirror the same plain green shaded colors. --[[User:Michael Becket|Michael Becket]] 18:24, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Yay''', but as Hagnat --[[User:Duke Garland|<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>]] [[User:Duke Garland/BHW|<nowiki>[</nowiki>]][[User talk:Duke Garland|talk]][[Signature Race|<nowiki>]</nowiki>]] 19:29, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''NAY'''Although The UD Game and the UD Wiki are inseperably linked, they are in fact two sepereate entities and should be maintained as such in my opinion. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 19:32, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Yay''' - - If it comes with .30 cal carbines if not then nay! OPB1 {{unsigned|James Crazy Horse}}
*'''Nay''' I like it, but I'm still partial to the old wiki page. Been there as long as I can remember. --[[User:Kouchpotato|Kouchpotato]] <sup>[[User_talk:kouchpotato| T]]</sup> 23:17, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Nay''' - Fugly. Go take some lessons from Mobius187 --[[User:ScouterTX|ScouterTX]] 01:22, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''No''' - I don't like it and don't see any need for it. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 11:48, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''HUGE ANAL YAY!'''-For one thing, the fukin game hasn't been updated in forever, and some new change would be nice, since half the fukin people in the game are quittin. and kevin should push for at least 2-3 updates per monthes.--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 17:34, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
**A correctly placed comma would do wonders to that bold section. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 22:16, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Yay''' - I really like #2 with the white background.  It doesn't present a lot of the problems that the Nay's are bringing up with the first one, while still giving the Main Page a fresh look that I think displays information better than the current one. --{{User:Maverick Farrant/sig}} 19:17, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
*While I hate the first one as its painfull to my eyes I really like the second one, just a bit more fiddling to make it look tidy and it would be fine. --[[User:Mightyoak|<span style="color: ForestGreen">mo</span>]] [[User talk:Mightyoak|<span style="color: DarkGreen">ヽ(´ー`)ノ </span>]] <sup>[[MCM|<span style="color: DeepSkyBlue ">MCM</span>]] [[MOB|<span style="color: DarkMagenta">MOB</span>]] [[Dribbling Beavers|<span style="color: SaddleBrown">DB</span>]]</sup> 21:26, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Yes''' - I really like the third one you guys are developing. It gives the page a better look, but doesn't go overboard with all the style.  --{{User:Zombie slay3r/Signature}} 17:26, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Yay''' - I like the first one, it looks much more appealing than the the origanle. --{{User:Michaleson/sig}} 22:26, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Yay''' - #2 looks AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --[[User:Imthatguy|Imthatguy]] 06:53, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Yay''' - I like the first one. --[[User:Turtleboy412|Turtleboy412]] 05:11, 28 February 2009 (UTC)


=== New Page Chatter ===
== Removing the iwitness link on the main page ==
I really hope we don't go for a 50/50 vote here....I mean....it might look nice but it doesnt follow the format of the wiki.--{{User:Disco Inferno/signature}} 13:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
:I can't imagine a 51/49 vote would be sufficient for something like this. We're after community consensus, not a community split. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 14:51, 20 February 2009 (UTC)


Problem with the original design is that you can't really add anything to it, and the navigation is overkill and confusing to new peoples. It doesn't mesh well enough. You can't really incorporate the CP section anywhere on the current page. Anyways, we could change the top header to something more interesting, and add the "first time in Malton" guide somewhere obvious, maybe move the latest news if it can fit (it didn't look good when I tried it floating to the right). I could try to make the headline flavour text be in a box as well. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 15:08, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
Since urbandead.info's been stolen by [http://www.urbandead.info/ domain poachers], it looks like it's gone, at least for now. I say that we replace it with [http://iamscott.net/dumbwit.html dumbwit] (which is a hasty replacement for itwit, been there since the last time it went down,) or just remove the link. Thoughts? {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 10:20, 20 June 2009 (BST)
:Or [http://udwitness.oddnetwork.org/ udwitness]. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 10:30, 20 June 2009 (BST)
:: I don't know which is best, eaasier, more accessable. Perhaps a link to a page holding all such programs? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:39, 20 June 2009 (BST)
:::I'll go ahead and remove the link now. I've used dumbwit quite a bit, but it's very simple. I'm going to try udwitness for a while. Anyone else got an idea? {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 10:44, 20 June 2009 (BST)
::::Put it onto List of External Sites. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 11:02, 20 June 2009 (BST)
:::::Done. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 11:11, 20 June 2009 (BST)
:::::One thing that could be done is to have the link to iwitness reports in a template (or any other external resource used in the wiki). So, if this happens again, one can simply change the base url and update any reference to a iwitness in the entire wiki. The page would be protected to prevent vandalism, of course. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User_talk:Hagnat|[talk]]] [[wcdz|[wcdz]]]</sup> 15:23, 20 June 2009 (BST)


We'd need at least 66% to change it i think.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 22:32, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
I say you guys fix this travesty considering iwitness works, is better, and etc etc. Also the Max Map needs adding again. ;) The urls are all the same, oh and udwidget has been updated too. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 21:39, 3 July 2009 (BST)
:As far as I can tell, the only thing I'm missing with UDWitness is a search feature and privatization of reports. :p - &nbsp;<small>[[User:Haliphax|<span style="color: #FF9999;background: #394939;padding-right:8px;padding-left:7px"><small>&nbsp;'''H'''aliphax</small></span>]][[User talk:Haliphax|<span style="color:#BBCCBB;background: #7d8f7d;padding-left:5px;padding-right:2px">'''T'''</span>]][[User:Haliphax#Characters|<span style="color:#BBCCBB;background: #7d8f7d;padding-left:2px;padding-right:2px;">'''C'''</span>]][[User:Haliphax#Scripts|<span style="color:#BBCCBB;background: #7d8f7d;padding-right:5px;padding-left:2px">'''S'''</span>]]</small> 16:19, 8 July 2009 (BST) (UDWitness author)
::Which is to say it's lacking but you're trying to minimize that by not mentioning all the things it's lacking in. I fail to see how this is relevant.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:49, 9 July 2009 (BST)
::So you want a way to make them more secure AND a way to search for the one you want? Thats a little bit contradictory. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 08:43, 9 July 2009 (BST)
::''facepalm to end all facepalms'' .. It lacks a search feature and privatization. PERIOD. The two are NOT mutually exclusive -- PUBLIC records can be searched, PRIVATE ones will not be listed. There is no need to be boorish. Don't you also think it a bit closed-minded to only put stock in only one service when 1.) There are several like it and 2.) It has gone down repeatedly over the last several years? I am merely offering an alternative to IWitness. It was built simply because one day, when I wanted to use IWitness, it was down. A week later, it was still down. I wasn't having any of that, so I built UDWitness. I figured other people could benefit from it, so I released it to the general UD-playing public. I receive no benefit from running the service other than knowing that it serves a purpose (i.e., there is no ad revenue, and I pay for the server out of pocket). - &nbsp;<small>[[User:Haliphax|<span style="color: #FF9999;background: #394939;padding-right:8px;padding-left:7px"><small>&nbsp;'''H'''aliphax</small></span>]][[User talk:Haliphax|<span style="color:#BBCCBB;background: #7d8f7d;padding-left:5px;padding-right:2px">'''T'''</span>]][[User:Haliphax#Characters|<span style="color:#BBCCBB;background: #7d8f7d;padding-left:2px;padding-right:2px;">'''C'''</span>]][[User:Haliphax#Scripts|<span style="color:#BBCCBB;background: #7d8f7d;padding-right:5px;padding-left:2px">'''S'''</span>]]</small> 14:23, 9 July 2009 (BST)
::Not to stir he pot, but the current listings look good to me.  The various systems do pretty much the same thing (hell, looks like they use the same code in the bookmarklets).  Halifax- if you want to slap in a private reacord feature, its as simple as having an index page (one that does NOT list the files) for the directory the private record pages are stored in.  Since it looks like all your record are stored in one stonking big directory, that means a single static index page would do the trick for ya (rather than the fancy / excessive system Iwit uses of a new directory every hour).  {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 03:56, 10 April 2010 (BST)
:Added it back on the page, by the way. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 08:55, 9 July 2009 (BST)


=== Issues with the Design ===
== [[UDWiki:A Guide for Newbie UDWiki Users|Guide for Newbie UDWiki Users]] ==
Ok, obviously some people are all for a bit of change. Others are raising some good points regarding issues with the page. So if you've got a concern you'd like to expand upon further than in your vote, discuss it here. Also, if there's a change that you like then mention it too. If this initial vote fails, it may be possible to change the proposed design to keep the good bits and rework or remove the bad. I've made a few headers based on comments so far, add more as you see fit. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 14:51, 20 February 2009 (UTC)


==== The UD Style ====
two years ago several users started to create a guide for the udwiki newbie user. Its incomplete right now, and some sections could be tweaked a little to become more friendly. Anyway, could someone link this guide in the main page, just below the ''first time playing'' link ? --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User_talk:Hagnat|[talk]]] [[wcdz|[wcdz]]]</sup> 21:15, 15 July 2009 (BST)
''Seems to be creating a bit of a divide. Do you think a UD style is a good idea? If so, do you think this page is doing a good job at it? Conversely, are you opposed to a UD style, or do you just think this page has made a bad job of it?''
:I'll make a new one or update this when I get around to it. I've been meaning to do so for a while. Until then, we shouldn't add it to the main page. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 13:33, 16 July 2009 (BST)


I, personally, don't like the UD style of the page.  It doesn't match the rest of the Wiki and that look is not an improvement, IMO. I like the use of color on the current page as it makes it easier to find the different sections at a glance.--{{User:Lois_Millard/sig}} 16:27, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
== Ross? ==


Why not just have the basic info about UD and the latest game news in the UD style, but have the wiki stuff in the generic wiki style? That way the page acts as a stylistic "bridge" between the two?  --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 22:55, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
[http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/9223/scr7002163.jpg A wild Rosslessness appears]. :P. Really though, what's up with that? --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 13:31, 18 September 2009 (BST)
:I have no idea. probably my edit to news. hold on. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 13:36, 18 September 2009 (BST)
::Sorted. Anything you type on template wiki news, below the included template is added to the start of news. I can see no way it could be exploited to get messages onto a protected page.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 13:39, 18 September 2009 (BST)
:::I knew I wasn't crazy. :D --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 05:23, 19 September 2009 (BST)
<br>*Looks at Wiki*<br>Mmm hmm I won't even go there.<br> [[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 21:49, 16 October 2009 (BST)


==== Page Different from Wiki Generally ====
== Error ==
''Arguably, even the 'classic' page isn't standard across the wiki. This redesign seems to conform even less with its green background. Just because this page is green doesn't mean the entire wiki is about to become green. Do you think we can have a different style main page without it being a problem, or do you think continuity is a must?''


I don't see any great problem with having the main page look a bit different myself. Pages set their own standards, how mmany pages are there that actually resemble the current page? Any? {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 14:51, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
"Apr 11th - A better policy which requires notification of escalations and de-escalations in the vandal system has '''be''' submitted for discussion. All users are encouraged to comment here." Fixing this, anyone? --{{User:Skin/sig}} 15:48, 11 April 2010 (BST)
:A bit different, perhaps, but such a hub page should remain standard as far as possible, or we risk having a forum that looks like a hodge-podge of different styles. I especially dislike the grey/green one, the ones down the bottom of the page are getting there though <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 07:25 27 February 2009 (BST)</small>
:You were welcome to do so... but I'll get to it. -{{User:Poodle_of_doom/signiture}} 15:57, 11 April 2010 (BST)


==== Layout ====
== Main Page tweaks? ==
''A few people have suggested some layout tweaks. Break out those rare level 5 headers and explain what changes you think are needed, and why.''


===== Right =====
So I've been working on [[User:Red Hawk One/Sandbox 1|some possible alterations]] to the main page. I'm hoping for some input on this, and if anyone would be interested in seeing some of these changes made. {{:User:Red Hawk One/sig}} 04:02, 26 April 2010 (BST)
Right, Its all very green, to break it up, how about this. Retain the general layout, but change the background to the introduction, CP and news sections to white. Also would make updating those templates a bit easier? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:26, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
:it is my understanding that GPDNAS is not active. i could be wrong but might want to check their forums.--[[User:Bonghit420|Dirty]] 11:01, 26 April 2010 (BST)
::I like the community portal, but hate the top box. We could always modify [[MediaWiki:Anonnotice]] to contain the information. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:39, 26 April 2010 (BST)


===== Ordering =====
== Small Edit to be Made ==
Also listing links in terms of the popularity? Your list of Game Information starts with FAQ (accessed 122,000 times) and leaves the suburb map to last (Accessed 2.3 million times). Also why isn't recruitment listed, when group creation is? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:31, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
:Links are negotiable, we're just worrying about the idea (layout, design, colour etc). Little tweaks can happen after. :) --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 21:43, 20 February 2009 (UTC)


==== Just Keep the 'Classic' Page ====
The front page says that it has been 4 years since the outbreak, but it rolled over to 5 a few days ago. 
''Do do you think the current page is as good as it gets? What good things about the current page need to show up in the redesign too? Either that are are you just against change in general?''


Personally, I think the current page has a lot of issues; coding, layout and content wise. I'm interested to know what others think are the awesome bits. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 14:51, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
[[User:Chocolate bob|Chocolate bob]] 22:58, 6 July 2010 (BST)
:Sorry to annoy Roos, but can you list some of your issues with the front page? Specifically the coding and content issues? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:03, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
:Done.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 23:33, 6 July 2010 (BST)
::The most annoying bit was you calling me 'Roos'. Anyway, Gnome already listed a few things below. I'm going to go on a rant here, consider yourself warned. Firstly there's a lot of code for rounded borders. It's repeated three times to ensure it works which is just waste considering it only works for FF anyway. You're excluding IE which still holds a larger majority anyway and also a lot of other browsers with together make up a decent chunk too. Next is the use of 95% width. Unneeded as the wiki already provides an internal margin. There are a couple of minor coding narks that I won't bore anybody with. The major problem is the use of space. It was designed around a typical small resolution and originally used fixed widths, that was changed when somebody pointed out that it just leaves whitespace around the edges for people with bigger screens. So now it scales but it wasn't really adjusted properly, and the whitespace now just pops up all over the page. The little first day in Malton box looks really weirdly placed due to the way it is centred in the left hand column, and then the navigation links are centred overall. There's a massive header which is largely redundant and takes up a lot of room for little gain. This forces content down a lot and you have to scroll just to see the whole intro of smaller res. Who heard of scrolling just to see the introduction? Even on bigger resolutions, because of the large header and typical height of the news, the navigation is forced entirely into the scroll region. There's a handy bit of whitespace wasted under the intro due to the height. And when you do scroll down, you're greeted by a massive wall of links. (With gratuitous amounts of whitespace either side on higher res, about half of my screen is just blank if I scroll to the bottom). Far more links than anybody could ever really need. Game Information isn't too bad in this respect but is poorly organized. Player Information contains links to some of the most useless and generally outdated pages we have (Suggestions & Recruitment aside). External links can easily be pruned to the more useful ones, retaining the link for people to see the full list. Wiki Information contains links to a lot of pages that are generally outdated or rarely visited. The Admin list is also awful, the most minor things are listed there. You can access all of it just by going the the main admin page. The page was an improvement at the time, but it needs an update. People have bigger screens, a lot of the links are no longer looked after, it's a bit haphazard. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 16:23, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Sorry, 'ster. I'll wander over to your page later, with a hugely pruned set of links in the separate sections for you. The first day in malton box is indeed bizarre and well, bizarre.


:::Unless..... I had an idea ages ago about making it all a bit "Starship troopers"y Lose all the navigation links at the bottom and have a link to each area? "Would you like to know more? (about administration?) click here.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:47, 21 February 2009 (UTC) 
== Skills link ==


Like I said above, it fits with the rest of the wiki. I think yours is just far too....garish? I like the simplicity of the current one and the simple color pallet. I don't see why the layout of the page itself seems so bad to you guys, what specifically do you two think is wrong?--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 19:10, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
ok i think there should be a link that led to skills only--[[User:Zombieman 11|Zombieman 11]] 23:21, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
:It's bland, it's uneven, it has too much white space, it has too many links in the Navigation section, which is also in smaller font and overwhelming to newbies, you can't adjust anything significant due the layout of the page, which means we can't get a decent looking community portal. We could do so much better. Anyways, I'll do another less-Urban Deady version. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 21:40, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
:Oh you mean like the link on the Main Page that leads to [[:Category:Skills|This Page]] that when click brings you to the [[:Category:Skills|Skills page]]? The one that is labeled [[:Category:Skills|Skills]] that can be found on the Main Page? {{User:Vapor/sig}} 23:30, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
::Explain the uneveness to me? And which navigation do you mean? The ones on the mediawiki sidebar, or the 4 sections below?--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:57, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
::no i mean on th side bar thing--[[User:Zombieman 11|Zombieman 11]] 21:57, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
:::The Navigation (those colored boxes) don't line up nicely, they're just kinda "there". First time playing also gives the impression of the nav being off centered. The whole thing just doesn't mesh good enough.--{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 00:09, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
:::You know that's not actually a bad idea... -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/l}} 22:06, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
::::So why don't just design a new nav section? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:27, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
::::And only one of us around here has the ability to change it. *nudge nudge* {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 22:24, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::Because we want to have a good CP section. I've taken some of the suggestions and started a [[User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sandbox3#hmm...|new design]]. It'll be like the old one in layout, except there could be easy to find important links where those redundant Frequently Asked Questions are, and the rest would be at the bottom.--{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 15:30, 21 February 2009 (UTC)  
:::Zombieman 11, just click the link on the side bar that says [[Special:Random|Random Page]] until you find it. You'll come across it eventually. {{User:Vapor/sig}} 22:16, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::::The problem is still the colour of the links (and the coding hassles that brings). The wiki news is updated by ''regular users''. They should only have to deal with ''regular wiki markup'', not stuff like {{CodeInline|<nowiki>[[Link Target|<font color="#FF9999">linking text goes here</font>]]</nowiki>}}. Those kind of links also have other problems; visited links are indistinguishable from unvisited, and they still have the blue underlining when hovering. Lastly, I don't think you should be mixing light text on a dark background with dark text on a light background. Doesn't look good. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>¦[[User talk:Midianian|T]]¦[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]¦[[Suggestions|SP]]¦</sup></small> 16:13, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Vapor, I present thee a cookie for that comment. {{Cookie|Axe Hack|Vapor|reason=making Axe Hack laugh.}} --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 23:18, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::::Yeah, I've been thinking about that font problem with the wiki news for a while. How about a lighter green, black text? I don't think visited links aren't really that important, nor is the blue underline. It keeps the look the same.--{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 16:18, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
::Also, if anyone wants to show me some sort of main page design from another wiki that they'd like, now is the time to pipe up. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 21:44, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
====Yet another header====
You'll excuse me for not wading through all of that and adding my points here and there.


From the link provided at the top, there are currently three designs. Of those the first (even though I've no doubt is an accurate match to the main UD page) seems drab and depressing compared to the rest of the wiki. The second just looks wrong. The third is definitely my favourite. My major disagreement with this change is the reduction in function the main page will have, I currently use it as a portal to various maps and status trackers, this function is lost by the proposed update. It is these functions that should be on the main page for the unaffiliated player to immediately access, these are the best resource we provide for non-meta players and we should not be forcing these people to go through portal after portal to access them. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 07:02, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
== Curious ==
:I agree with Iscariot's point-although the old page is looking a bit old, we should strive to lose as few links as possible with a change.


:On another note, anyone feel like getting rid of the ugly "Main Page" title? It's done over at Wikipeida by [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#Appearance a CSS hack] (I have no idea what I just said...) Anyone know of a simpler way? {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 07:48, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
Do we really need all of this junk? I'm thinking it's time for an overhaul and reduction to things directly useful to players needing help. Not things useful to the wiki community(the purpose of [[UDWiki:Community Portal]] and [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]]). --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 09:05, 20 June 2011 (BST)
::The CSS hack looks pretty simple. It appears only the following needs to be added to our [[Mediawiki:Common.css]]:
:It's not junk, the wiki is also here to facilitate community interests. What would you suggest? Although, it might be better to just turn [[CP]] into a series of useful links, like some other wikis, because as of now it's not really useful.  --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 17:21, 20 June 2011 (BST)
<pre>
body.page-Main_Page #siteSub,
body.page-Main_Page #contentSub,
body.page-Main_Page h1.firstHeading {
    display: none !important;
}
</pre>
::<small>This is from the [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css wiki] linkthewindow linked to, not wikipedia. I have no idea how the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css wikipedia one] works.</small> --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>¦[[User talk:Midianian|T]]¦[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]¦[[Suggestions|SP]]¦</sup></small> 11:37, 22 February 2009 (UTC)


:: If I may chime in, here.  I prefer the 3rd variation, as well! It seems to contain all the links from the original page in categories that are easy to understand and it is much more attractive in appearance than variation 1 or 2.--{{User:Lois_Millard/sig}} 15:58, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
== mediawiki sidebar recruitment ==
:We're just discussing the idea, Iscariot. Tweaks such as links can happen after, since I don't want to spend that much time on it if the design isn't a go. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 16:11, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
::Design wise the third is the one to go for. The first is overbearing, the second weak and token. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 16:20, 22 February 2009 (UTC)


===New New Page Design===
I was thinking. Because of the perhaps undeniable success of the [[#Skills link]] suggestion two headers above this one, perhaps we should add a page to [[recruitment]] or such to the side as well, i dunno, [[Groups]] is a bit large, but maybe that would be of interest to users? maybe? just food for thought? -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 13:32, 25 July 2011 (BST)
Alright, taken from user comments, we've spliced up another main page [[User:A_Helpful_Little_Gnome/Sandbox3#.233_Classic_Redesigned|here]]. This is a discussion for the layout. Tweaks such as links, colour adjustments can happen after.
:Dunno. I don't actually know that many people who have used the recruitment page to actually join groups. :P --[[User:Yonnua Koponen|<span style="color: DarkOrange">Yonnua Koponen</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Yonnua Koponen| <span style="color:Gold">T</span>]][[DvB| <span style="color: Goldenrod">G</span>]]</sup><sup><span class="plainlinks">[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=840689 <span style="color: DarkGoldenrod"> P</span>] </span></sup> [[User:Yonnua Koponen/Sandbox|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[Discosaurs|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[{{TALKPAGENAME}}#Donkey|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]] 13:48, 25 July 2011 (BST)
::Chances are adding in that link would make it more widely used. Although if we were going to add in that link I'd say organize up the recruitment page by type of group first then A-Z under there respective headers. As just plain A-Z isn't particularly helpful. Hell I'll even do the rearranging need be..{{User:Mazu/sig}}  13:54, 25 July 2011 (BST)
:::that might be because we haven't thrown recruit page at them enough yet! Dunno. You're probably right. I wouldn't know, never was good at joining groups. As mazu said about changing recruitment page to fit, I think that's also a decent idea and may possibly be worth it just to give recruitment a bigger surge in viewership and more usefulness? -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 13:59, 25 July 2011 (BST)
::::I can hear the cries of 'bias!' already with regards to sorting the groups by type, not only between the different playstyles, but potentially within groups too. I do think adding a recruitment link to the sidebar is an excellent idea though, mostly because I've just improved the RRF recruitment advert <___< --[[User:Two_Headed_Sex_Beast|<span style="color:HotPink; font-family:Small Fonts; font-size:medium">TWO HEADED </span>]][[The Ridleybank Resistance Front|<span style="color:HotPink; font-family:Small Fonts; font-size:medium">SEX BEAST</span>]] 14:04, 25 July 2011 (BST)
:::::Bias? I'd simply sort them out as PKer, Pro-survivor(Bounty hunters, Life Cultist, etc.), and Pro-Zombie(RKers, GKers, Death Cultist, etc.). If they'd have a problem with their placement just post it up on the talk page and well sort it out.{{User:Mazu/sig}}  14:07, 25 July 2011 (BST)
::::::Who gets the top of the page though? Pro-zombie? Pro-survivor? Player killer? Personally, I don't think it matters all that much, but there's almost certainly going to get people that'll complain if they perceive bias (from survivors, for example, if you list zombie groups first). --{{User:Two_Headed_Sex_Beast/sig}} 14:23, 25 July 2011 (BST)
:::::::Hell didn't even think of that. We can just do that alphabetically as a bias free way of organizing. So it'd go Player Killer Groups, Pro-Survivor, Pro-Zombie, Miscellaneous Groups(last because they lack a theme and that's common practice among the internet I think?). {{User:Mazu/sig}}  14:36, 25 July 2011 (BST)
::::::::I think just keeping the organisation as it is works for the best, to be honest. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 15:06, 25 July 2011 (BST)
:::::::::The organization discussion is separate from the topic at hand, and is better handled on the Recruitment page (as an aside, I agree with Mis, since anyone whose been around for the debates on that page or the suburb group listings knows how much of a bag of drama that topic can be). As for ''this'' discussion, adding the link is valuable, so I'd go with it. And for those asking about how often people actually use the page, I'd say that probably 1/3 to 1/2 of the recruits the SoC gets who cite a reason they joined cite the wiki. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 21:22, 25 July 2011 (BST)
::::::::I can't believe people would throw a fit because of the order, idiots, but I'll take it to the recruitment page since the current A-Z organization just makes it harder to find groups if your looking for a certain type. {{User:Mazu/sig}}  21:35, 25 July 2011 (BST)
:::::::::Every group is tagged by type. Ctrl + F. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 22:38, 25 July 2011 (BST)
:What are the chances of getting a [[Recruitment]] link added to the sidebar then? I'd personally like to see it happen if it'll be potentially successful in boosting group numbers. --{{User:Two_Headed_Sex_Beast/sig}} 19:33, 27 July 2011 (BST)
::Since there didn't seem to be any opposition to adding it, I went ahead and did it. The community section seemed to make most sense so that is where I put it. Maybe "the game" section would be better. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>19:49, 27 July 2011 (UTC)</sub>
:::I would say it fits better in "the Game" section because it's a page relating to Urban Dead the game, not wiki.{{User:Mazu/sig}}  20:44, 27 July 2011 (BST)
::::+1. --{{User:Two_Headed_Sex_Beast/sig}} 20:52, 27 July 2011 (BST)
:::::Yeah thought better of it, too. "The Game" it is. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>21:04, 27 July 2011 (UTC)</sub>


Give your approval or disproval through '''Yay''' or a '''Nay''' if you like/dislike the idea. Constructive criticism would be good. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 21:28, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
== 4 days worth of RC ==


i was worried that lately i got to see 3 days worth of RC... but today, i got to see today (September 20), yesterday (19), the day before yesterday (18) and the day before that (17)... are we losing contributors ? --<small>[[User:Hagnat|hagnat]]</small> 20:02, 20 September 2011 (BST)
:Yes, but also it's been abnormally slow. I think it will pick up in October due to some events but we definitely have much fewer contributors, less drama, even less spambots these days. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>20:08, 20 September 2011 (UTC)</sub>
::It's getting hard to sysop with nothing to fix. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 21:49, 20 September 2011 (BST)
:::Clearly, someone needs to start a ruckus. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 00:12, 21 September 2011 (BST)
::::I think that someone should be you, Gnome. ;) --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 01:12, 21 September 2011 (BST)
:::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>breaks wiki*{{User:Mazu/sig}}  01:23, 21 September 2011 (BST)
::::::VANDALISM!!!  VANDALISM!!! *throws ban hammer at Mazu* --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 01:32, 21 September 2011 (BST)
::I laugh in the face of your spambots, back in the day we'd ban pages upon pages a day. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 01:44, 25 September 2011 (BST)
:::::I will devise a plan behind everyone's backs and conduct the result for all to see. Well, it will be ruckus, of some sort! --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 04:50, 21 September 2011 (BST)
I'm taking you all to arbitration. -- <span style="font-size: 10px; line-height: 10px; font-family: verdana; font-weight: bold; color: darkred;">&trade; & &copy; [[User:Amazing|Amazing]], [[Hell Rising|INC]]. All rights reserved. Replying constitutes acceptance of our [[User:Amazing/Myths|Terms of Service]].</span> 01:57, 22 September 2011 (BST)
:You go ahead and do that, but I demand not just a single arbitrator.  I demand there be a jury of arbitrators. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 02:03, 22 September 2011 (BST)
::I'll be one! --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 03:39, 22 September 2011 (BST)
:::I'll be three! {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 05:28, 22 September 2011 (BST)


*KUDOS, look fab, imo! Keep up the great work you guys! ;D :-*--[[User:Aphaythea|Aphaythea]] 03:55, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
==Quack==
....Um...What the fuck?  Did Yon really request that in his Arby's ruling?  Alright, sure, I might have joined in that joke a bit around the middle, but I think we've crossed the line here with the...um...carrying out of the ruling. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 00:15, 7 October 2011 (BST)
:It was that or promoting Nubis. Settle down the lesser evil. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 00:16, 7 October 2011 (BST)
:This is beyond the limits of what an arbies can do... --{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 00:18, 7 October 2011 (BST)
::{{Grr}} {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 01:02, 7 October 2011 (BST)
::Also the parties in question have to like, accept? Pretty sure we still do that.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 01:04, 7 October 2011 (BST)


*Yay -- Better. --[[User:Michael Becket|Michael Becket]] 21:35, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
==the date and year==
*'''Yay''' - I like this third one. It looks rather tidy and snazzy. =) -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 22:09, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
2012 calling and it's warm outside. --{{User:Sexualharrison/sig}}<small>15:38, 22 May 2012 </small>
*<s>'''Nay'''</s> - Unless you can find a way to fix the slight mismatch around the corners of the Latest News template (if you look closely the edges of the border don't mesh with the rest of the dark green area). It's a minor quibble but this ''is'' essentially our most public face. --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 22:21, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
*:That same problem is with the current main page. Me and Rooster tried using images for the corners, but it didn't work out. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 22:28, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
*::ROFL, I didn't notice that. facepalm.jpg --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 03:11, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
**'''Yea''' --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 03:11, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''When did snazzy become acceptable again?''' Getting there, lose the pink links at the top right, return the urban dead image to its original size, and you've probably got me. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 22:25, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
*:And what happened to the first day in Malton guide? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 22:26, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
*::It'll find its place, somewhere. I'm not a fan for the look of those top right links, but they could be really useful. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 22:28, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
*:::Its the pinkness I dont like, can we do another rounded box with them in? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 22:30, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
*::::Maybe. I'll do it later, really bored of looking at that page. :( --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 22:31, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
*:::::If you lose 10px of all the nav boxes it fits nice as well. look. [[User:Rosslessness/Random Rambling/Sandbox32]] --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 22:34, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Yay''' - The layout is good. The green at the top looks... faded, and I think the boxes at the bottom could use a light green background colour (the same colour as the alternate rows in the wiki news?). Otherwise I think it's fine. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>¦[[User talk:Midianian|T]]¦[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]¦[[Suggestions|SP]]¦</sup></small> 23:13, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Yay''' - I like it, but I think the bottom boxes are a little too wide for non-wide screen monitors.  It causes a scrollbar.--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 23:14, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Nay''' - Leave the Main page alone >.< --[[User:MisterGame|Thadeous Oakley]] 23:19, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Yay''' Maintains enough distinction for me to say....mkay. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 00:39, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Nay''' - May as well leave it as is with this!--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 01:25, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Nay''' - Liked the other one better. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 01:36, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''No''' - It isn't broken, so don't 'fix' it. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 02:05, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Yay''' - Looking better; more organized. I'm a little iffy on some of the color still.. The green seems like it should be darker. And where's the "First Time Playing?" box? [[User:Claude Garrison|Claude Garrison]] 03:03, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Nay''' - current page looks good as is, works fine, and is easy for new users to navigate. stop tweakin shit. --[[User:Bullgod|Bullgod]] 04:41, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Yay''' - A nice mix between flash and substance. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 05:13, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Nay''' - The green borders look patchy - they either need to border the entire box or none of it, the community portal in particular looks like it hasn't loaded properly. The layout is fine, though.--{{User:The General/sig}} 10:41, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Yay''' - Looks good, but like Claude, I'm a bit iffy on the colors too. Other than that, its fine. --{{User:Dr Eddie Ashford/Sig}} 13:55, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Yay!''' - Excellent!  I like the way the links are organized. Very nice.--{{User:Lois_Millard/sig}} 14:07, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Nay''' - Looks unbalanced to me, I still like the second one the best! --[[User:Mightyoak|<span style="color: ForestGreen">mo</span>]] [[User talk:Mightyoak|<span style="color: DarkGreen">ヽ(´ー`)ノ </span>]] <sup>[[MCM|<span style="color: DeepSkyBlue ">MCM</span>]] [[MOB|<span style="color: DarkMagenta">MOB</span>]] [[Dribbling Beavers|<span style="color: SaddleBrown">DB</span>]]</sup> 19:58, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Nay''' - I'm forced to vote nay on this issue due to it being approached backwards, much like the guide page 'review', it is the content that should be under vote, not the design in the first instance. Giving assent to this at this stage will allow those with petty agendas to forward their desires over the good and consensus of the wiki as happened with the Recruitment pages. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 20:02, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
*:I neither want or have the time to waste trying to make perfect content and look, put it to vote and only to have it shot down because "I don't like that one link". At the moment I'm just making a quick gauge of peoples thoughts. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 02:58, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Nay''' - I likes the clean look of the page as it is. --[[User:Giles Sednik|Giles Sednik]] <sup>[[CAPD]][[SWA]]</sup> 21:08, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''No''' - The layout is pretty good, but the greens look like they need to be darker.  The white edges on the latest update are quite visible and an eyesore, but the darker green could fix it somehow.  There's something else about the page that bothers me, but I just can't figure it out right now.  --{{User:Zombie slay3r/Signature}} 00:26, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Nay''' It is much better than the last one I voted on, but I just can't bring myself to say Yay. I just like the original.  [[User:Asheets|Asheets]] 00:27, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Nay''' - It looks great, but for my part, why fix what isn't broken? --[[User:Macampos|Private Mark]] 05:07, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Nay''' - 1. Looks like the other one 2. What's with the pink? 3. See user comment above me (excluding "It looks great" of course). --[[User:ScouterTX|ScouterTX]] 05:49, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Yay''' - Looks good to me. --{{User:Maverick Farrant/sig}} 08:56, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Nay''' - I liked the Urban Dead styled version but the others seem like change for the sake of it--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 09:56, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
*:Did you even look at it? There are loads of changes, the main one being the addition of a community portal section. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 19:02, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
*::content is better but I do not like the look of it even close to as much as the original UD flavoured version. Changing the page content seems to be a very different idea to changing its appearance and I just don't like how any of the versions that follow your 1st example look. Its nothing personal, I just don't see the point of confusing existing users for what seems stylistically no better than what we have! --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 10:09, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Nay''' - Why change the one we have? If it aint broken don't fix it.{{Unsigned|Athur birling|21:16, 24 February 2009}}
*'''Yay''' - To the second design. Fits well. [[User:Michaelbogardus|Michaelbogardus]] 15:54, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Yay''' - To either. I like them both.--{{User:Drawde/Sig}} 22:19, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


Thanks for some of the constructive input so far. Even if you're not a fan, or prefer the original or whatever, that's your opinion and I have no beef with that. Gnome's already addressed some of the issues raised, just below. What I want to pry out of a few commenters is some reasoning. Firstly, on the basis that 'The Main Page needs to be left alone'. Why the hell should it? It's a wiki page just like the rest. If there's something about this suggested change that is the problem, just explain why.
==Main Page Organization Discussion==
Second. The rather tired phrase "Ain't broke, don't fix it." a few people have trotted out. There are a few possible meanings, and I'll touch on each.
Continuation of a discussion begun at [[Template talk:UDThisMonth]].
*"It works fine now, why change?" - To improve it, just like humans have done with everything ever. This really isn't a sound standpoint logically.
*"It's isn't broken." - Well, I respectfully disagree. It's flawed, albeit not significantly, with some layout issues and some content issues I have mentioned before. This change aims to rectify that.
*"This proposal doesn't actually change anything, so why bother?" - Well, it aims to make a few minor fixes as I just mentioned, it also adds in a Community Portal section with the aim of giving more exposure to community projects. It also attempts to refresh the style. So yeah, those are changes.


Just after the reasons behind some people's thinking, is all. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 21:32, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
As the Community Portal template has lengthened somewhat with the introduction of the UD This Month feature, it has pushed the Navigation boxes further down the page. Is there consensus to swap the Navigation and Community Portal sections? Please discuss. {{User:Bob Moncrief/Sig}} 01:31, 29 July 2012 (BST)
:I'm certainly in favor. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 01:48, 29 July 2012 (BST)


If its the layout and the content, then why change the style (colors and such)? I would focus on the function then. Secondly, the argument of "it aint broken, don't fix" is actually quite viable. You see, the thing is that the main page is already very good as it is. As far as I know, there were never any real problems with it.
:New players should see the navigation boxes above the community portal sections. They won't care about UD history or community projects yet. Old players don't need the navigation boxes, therefore would like the community portal sections above the navigation boxes. Also, I prefer pages formatted for small phone screens (important stuff above miscellaneous stuff)...less scrolling is better. -- [[User:Son of Sin|<span style="background:white; color:black; font-family:Chiller; font-size:medium">→'''Son of Sin'''←</span>]] 02:55, 29 July 2012 (BST)


What you are trying to do is improving something that is already a great thing. Therefore, minor changes won't cut it. Many people will auto vote no for the sake of familiarty.
:I'm in favor. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>03:11, 29 July 2012 (UTC)</sub>
Improving a great thing will need something totally different that is great aswell. If you want this to pass, then you will probably need to make a major redesign of the main page, something as great as the current one but complelety different. And that is hard.--[[User:MisterGame|Thadeous Oakley]] 00:22, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
:No, just no. This is a [[Wikipedia:Wiki|wiki]]. This wiki's first purpose is to be an information source that is changed and improved through editing and discussion. When I tried a radical change above, people pointed out that they'd like the basic layout of the main page, like the Urban Dead header. It's completely irrelevant if it's 'minor' or 'major' as long as it's improvement. Also, voting has no bearing on this page. I'm sorry if it looked that way, but it was only a quick method of grabbing the widest range of opinions as possible and to see if I was heading in the right direction. Voting is not a substitute for discussion. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 03:06, 26 February 2009 (UTC)


So your going to change the design either way even when the majority is against? Then you shouldn't have asked for opinions in the first place, because people expect their opinions being heard, not ignored. Or are you going to keep trying until getting more "yay's" then "nay's"?--[[User:MisterGame|Thadeous Oakley]] 10:19, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
:I think better design is the solution here, not omitting things. I like all the panels a lot, probably "community announcements" the most and "this day in X" the least, but that's irrelevant. If we were to get rid of anything I guess it should be the FA, but I'd much prefer fixing the template altogether so the FA was maybe in its own section under the "community announcements" and "in this month" side by side perhaps {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 04:43, 29 July 2012 (BST)
::No one was still talking about cutting elements. We were just talking about swapping the two sections. Better design, as you said. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 05:14, 29 July 2012 (BST)
:Swap them.--[[User:Shortround|<span style="color:Black">Short</span>]][[User talk:Shortround|<span style="color: Black">round</span>]] }.{ [[Special:Contributions/Shortround|<span style="color:Black">My Contributions</span>]] 15:05, 29 July 2012 (BST)


:It was my impression it was just a way of gathering opinions and discussion, I don't think it actually says 'vote' anywhere (I hope not, anyway). Nobody's changing anything unless the community seems to be in favour. You can easily tell we're not ignoring people, a lot of the problems people had with design #1 have been changed in the latter versions. And damn right we're going to make a few attempts at getting yays. That's the whole point of the discussion, change the proposal until people generally like it. If it becomes obvious that it can't be done, fair enough. You make a good point about people preferring familiarity, which became obvious with design #1 and so design #3 tries to maintain familiarity while still improving bits. The thing about the function of the page being "Not broken and not needing fixing" is still flawed as per my first point about that phrase. Sure, the function is pretty solid, no reason to to try and make it better though. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 17:47, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Are we still interested in renewing the Main Page? Also, I've been doing things to the [[Community Portal]]. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 16:54, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
:The [[UDWiki:Administration/Protections#Main Page|big discussion on A/PT]] stalled out because the latest (and, I think, most comprehensive) proposal, [[User:Aichon/Sandbox/Demo13|by Aichon]], doesn't work in the default wiki skin. So either we all have to be ported over to another skin (requiring Kevanic intervention) or another proposal has to materialize. Someone correct me if I've got all this wrong. {{User:Bob Moncrief/Sig}} 17:04, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
::Okay. I think we should just figure out how to stick the navigation stuff in the UD header thingy, and remove the UD news to the CP. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 17:07, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
:::If you have any suggestions for how we can "just" stick the navigation stuff in the UD header in a way that's sensible and doesn't impede the flow of the page, I am definitely all ears. I wouldn't move the UD news to CP though, since it's definitely not community-oriented. In fact, I'd be more inclined to move wiki news or this month in UD to the CP before we moved UD news (of course, I don't want to see those go there either, since they're both very nice to have right on the main page). {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 22:46, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
::::With tables. I'll give it a go sometime later. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 23:00, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
:::::Or just give me a synopsis of the issues you ran into and the CSS/JS code used and I can see if I can find a clever work around. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 03:47, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
::::::Just CSS, no JS, and the issue was basically that the CSS was only being loaded for non-default themes. The system message I edited was supposed to apply to ALL themes, but IIRC that functionality broke a few wiki updates ago, so if you use the default wiki theme and go to my demo page, it'll appear different and rather useless. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 04:34, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
:::::::Kevin futzed with it and apparently accidentally removed the common.css call on the UrbanDead skin/s. There's no way for us to modify it and that also means that a number of other fixes aren't currently working at all on the default skin on this wiki. Shoot him an email, as it's also missing a lot of the core functionality present in the other skins between style sheets and js calls. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 09:14, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
::::::::Blast it. If he doesn't reply (let's assume,) any chance of a compromise between our goals and reality? All these mockups had me excited. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/a}} 10:23, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
:::::::::Yeah, I'm aware of the cause, but (oddly) hadn't thought to actually contact him about it. I'm a bit busy the next few days (traveling and whatnot), so if one of you guys wants to contact him... {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 14:57, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
::::::::::Is a compromise so hard? I mean what was wrong with the earlier mockups, even they were better than what we have at the moment. I'm not trying to wriggle out of emailing him, I just think that's the best route atm, because Kevan, I assume, won't do anything, and even then I wouldn't know what to say. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/a}} 01:34, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
:::::::::::As I recall, there were issues both with the earlier "compromise" designs and the final one, beyond the technical difficulties. And since no one was forthcoming with solutions and it was eating up too much time to do it on my own, I gave it up until someone had a great idea or we could solve the technical issues. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 04:34, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
::::::::::::Ah, fair enough. Well I won't be any more of a "has no idea what he's demanding but demands it anyway" dude so I'll just say 'what a shame' and be done with it :'( {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/a}} 05:35, 24 December 2012 (UTC)


===Changes===
Icon should do the thing he doesn't have time to do because I'm assuming it'll make my default skin look all pretty and shit and I'd enjoy that.--[[User:SA|SA]] 10:14, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
[[User:A_Helpful_Little_Gnome/Sandbox3#Or...|See here]]. A few things have been addressed: the navigation width has been lessened (tell me if it needs to be smaller), the colour has been darkend and the dead image has been made larger. The quick links have been removed since they looked funny when I tried different looks. I couldn't get borders to look right on the CP section, but I'll try my best to make it work. I also tried a darker background on the Nav section as Midianian asked but tell me if it needs to be a different colour or better off white. For those who liked the other designs better, they could be incorporated in the [[Community Portal]] in some form or another. The main point of this main page change is indeed to get a sizeable section for the Community Portal.
:Unfortunately, I know no way to modify the default skin. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 05:46, 25 December 2012 (UTC)


Perhaps the First time playing ? could go inside the Community Portal section, or under the intro text. Should it be in some sort of box, or just text?
== why is there no featured article? ==


I'm also happy to say that I seemed to have fixed that ugly curved splotch on the title header.
well?--[[User:Rosslessness|<span style="color: MidnightBlue ">R</span><span style="color: Navy">o</span><span style="color: DarkBlue">s</span><span style="color: MediumBlue">s</span><span style="color: RoyalBlue"></span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness|<span style="color: RoyalBlue">l</span><span style="color: CornflowerBlue">e</span><span style="color: SkyBlue">s</span><span style="color: LightskyBlue">s</span>]][[User:Rosslessness/Safehouse_Hatred|<span style="color: LightBlue">n</span><span style="color: PowderBlue">e</span>]][[Monroeville Many|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]][[Location Page Building Toolkit|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]]  01:03, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
:Looks like it's set on a cycle of "what week of the year is it" which only goes up to 53. Presumably 2012 started part of the way through a week and hence we've managed to hit the 54th week of the year. Don't think it's that big of an issue and I imagine it'll fix itself tomorrow. --[[User:Shortround|<span style="color:Black">Short</span>]][[User talk:Shortround|<span style="color: Black">round</span>]] }.{ [[Special:Contributions/Shortround|<span style="color:Black">My Contributions</span>]] 01:07, 31 December 2012 (UTC)


Thoughts? --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 02:58, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


:I like this version, as well. The color scheme is fine. *shrugs* It isn't as important as the content to me. The main issue I have is that I don't want us to lose "First Time Playing" section. I'm not sure it would really fit in the community portal area.  What about at the bottom of the page with the other sets of links in it's own little "box" under the player information link box?  I think it would work under the intro text, as well, but it would need a box or something to make it stand out.--{{User:Lois_Millard/sig}} 19:33, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
== Announcements from Halloween? ==
::I am pleased with this version. First time box would be nice. Maybe a line of text at the top of the page? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:05, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Ooo! Excellent notion! That way it is out of the way, but visible.--{{User:Lois_Millard/sig}} 21:17, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
::::I added a centered '''First time playing ?''' Read the [[First Day in Malton]] guide. under the intro text. I thought a box looked too out of place. Better, or someplace else? --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 21:41, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Good idea, wrong place I feel. Top of the page, under game news? Or could we include it in one of the templates? Even the news one, As an additional link below ALL NEWS? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 22:00, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::There? --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 02:33, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::maybe move it right, so the text lines up with the text in the wiki news section? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:32, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::I think it looks better in the center, but moved right. I also switch the colours in the nav section (you can see the non-white version up above). --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 02:57, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::: Looks ''really'' randomly placed if you have it there. The current box has always looked a bit random, and this thing does too. I think just adding back into the intro might be better, maybe left aligned instead on center? I dunno. At the least, could it not be on a new line in the header? Shift it up one and cut down on the wasted space. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 19:41, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Centered in the intro section. I don't think aligned left is noticeable enough, center is better. :P--{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 00:38, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
====Next====
What would we like in the Navigation boxes? Are they fine, if not, what should be adjusted? What should go in the Community Portal section? So far there's a section for current projects, but I think it could do with a 'featured article' or 'articles needing work' or 'article spotlight'. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 02:57, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
:I forgot to link Iwitness again in external links, I agree its probably the most useful one out there. Surely Articles needing work could be a permament link somewhere, and people could add stuff to a page? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:05, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
::Well, I was planning on bringing this up after general overhaul of the CP. But heck, we're here now. Yeah I suggested that the CP bit on the main page could have some of the current wiki projects, maybe a good article (of the week), and an article needing help. Stuff the community can just jump onto. The actual portal itself could house the lists of wiki-projects (as now) and also a list of articles needing work, as you mentioned. Having a section on the main page would help a lot in getting people people involved. I'm happy to leave the CP bit as-is with the handful of project links until some proper system is sorted out. I'm sure I'm not the first to suggest such stuff, but ideas are always good. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 19:36, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Yeah, the Community Portal isn't too important at the moment, but I think it could do with some sort of article spotlight at first. Anyways, I think the External Links section in the Nav could do with a few more than one link. Unofficial UD Forums and Iwitness are good I think. Mmm? --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 00:38, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Yep. It would also even up the nav boxes on either side of the page. Ah symmetry. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:22, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Mkay. Anything else? Anyone? --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 00:40, 28 February 2009 (UTC)


Templated... anything else? --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 00:45, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
Anything newer to report?--[[User:Sarah Silverman|Sarah Silverman]] 18:20, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
:Nope, that's the most recent thing from [http://www.urbandead.com/news.html the news page]. {{User:Bob Moncrief/Sig}} 18:35, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
::Shouldn't we use the headlines to also announce the biggest and most recent ingame news facts as well then? I mean, discovering a wiki with a half year old, no longer applicable headline is hardly appealing to new players... {{User:Peralta/Signature}} 16:43, 26 May 2013 (BST)
:::There's been lots of discussion on that. [[UDWiki:Administration/Protections/Archive/2012_Q4#Main_Page|Example]]. You can also troll around Aichon's talk page, or one of his subpages, whatever it's called. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 16:56, 26 May 2013 (BST)


===Final Thoughts===
== Wiki upgrade ==
[[User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sandbox2|On this one...]] A quick summary if you haven't followed the [[Talk:Main Page#Changes|Changes]] above, the white rounded edges have been removed, the colour darkened and the addition of the First time playing bit. The Community Portal section is a bit empty at the moment, but this will be changed once the [[UDWiki:Community Portal|Community Portal]] gets revamped (to be discussed later).


It's also be templated, but of course my userpage will be exchanged for the appropriate template name.  
Hello wiki. I've just wrangled the MediaWiki install up to date, to v1.23.6. I'm currently squashing the obvious problems (I'm just looking at restoring the image in the corner now), but if there's anything I've missed, raise it here (or perhaps reuse [[Help:Wiki Update]]?) and I'll get onto it. The only significant change so far is that [[MediaWiki:Titleblacklist]] has superceded [[MediaWiki:Usernameblacklist]] - I've just copied everything across and added a <newaccountonly> tag. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] ([[User talk:Kevan|talk]]) 16:08, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
:So far, the only issues I've noticed are broken images (e.g. the first three flagboxes on the side of [[User:Aichon|my userpage]] seem to have broken image icons, despite my best efforts to clear the page's cache by using &action=purge and saving a non-edit to the page) and a little graphical wonkiness, which is probably related to the theme, as you mentioned elsewhere. And, honestly, we can probably kill most of the entries in the blacklist anyway. It was mostly just there to slow the spammers down a bit when they were at their worst awhile back. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 18:30, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
::If you mean the "Don't Take It Personally" / "Etiquette" / "Logic and Reason" boxes, they're all showing up with images for me. I'll take a look at fixing the theme tomorrow. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] ([[User talk:Kevan|talk]]) 18:45, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
:::Those were the three. Odd, it's working fine in another browser for me, so it must be something on my end. I'll clear my cache again/restart/whatever later on my own time. Thanks for helping confirm it's on my end. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 19:11, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
::::Okay, so, this is a bit more unusual than I expected. On Friday I checked my page at work on Windows in Chrome (broken images) and Firefox (images working), which led me to believe it was some sort of browser caching issue in Chrome that would clear itself up. But today, I just checked my page from home on OS X in Chrome (broken images), Firefox (images working), and Safari (broken images). At home, I've disabled all browser extensions and userscripts in Chrome, just to eliminate them as variables, and yet the images still fail to show up for those specific templates. The fact that Firefox is the only browser successfully loading them for me on two separate computers has me wondering why that would be the case. I haven't used Safari or Firefox in months, so I'd expect them to perform similarly when it comes to caching issues, yet they didn't. [[User:Paynetrain|Paynetrain]] just updated his page to have a lot of images I hadn't seen before, and I'm seeing similar issues there, where Firefox successfully shows them all, while Chrome and Safari fail to do so. Go figure. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 20:50, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
:::::I can't recall if this was brought up anywhere and I wanted to bring it up while I was thinking about it, but part of the issue with images not loading in some browsers stems from images which have been resized using wikicode. For example [[User:Vapor|My User Page]] did not correctly display the main image until I [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User%3AVapor&diff=2230356&oldid=2211542 removed the wikicode] which resized it. It's the same across the wiki for me. Any time I see an image that uses "|''nn''px", the image appears broken in my browser. As you can imagine, this creates a lot of broken images. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>17:12, 28 February 2015, The year of our lord (UTC)</sub>
::::::Is there an alternative code we can use? Then I can trawl through every broken image and fix them. --[[User:Rosslessness|<span style="color: MidnightBlue ">R</span><span style="color: Navy">o</span><span style="color: DarkBlue">s</span><span style="color: MediumBlue">s</span><span style="color: RoyalBlue"></span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness|<span style="color: RoyalBlue">l</span><span style="color: CornflowerBlue">e</span><span style="color: SkyBlue">s</span><span style="color: LightskyBlue">s</span>]][[User:Rosslessness/Safehouse_Hatred|<span style="color: LightBlue">n</span><span style="color: PowderBlue">e</span>]][[Monroeville Many|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]][[Location Page Building Toolkit|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]]  20:03, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
:::::::The only other wiki markup I'm aware of to resize images is "thumb" (ex. <nowiki>[[File:Rando.png|thumb]]</nowiki>), but that doesn't appear to work either. I get the error "There was a problem creating the thumbnail". I think that's the root cause. The wiki or my browser is failing to display image sizes other than the 2 create during the image upload. This may be somehow connected to the same problem which is preventing image uploads and deletion, or it could be a wholly different problem. Kevan only knows. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>23:11, 1 March 2015, The year of our lord (UTC)</sub>


Give a '''Yay''' or '''Nay''', yadaya as usual. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 00:45, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
"Could not create directory "mwstore://local-backend/local-public/4/43".-Came up when i tried to upload a file..not sure if its a Bug or not--[[User:Paynetrain|<span style="font-size:1.4em;font-family:impact,monospace,serif;color:#f30b0c;">Payne</span>]][[User talk:Paynetrain|<span style="font-size:1.4em;font-family:'poplar std',verdana,sans-serif;color:#0a1cf2;">Train</span>]]<sup>'''([[FU]])'''</sup> 10:01, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
:Acknowledged, will take a look. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] ([[User talk:Kevan|talk]]) 10:55, 6 November 2014 (UTC)


'''Yay''' - --{{User:Michael Becket/sig}} 01:24, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Well, now we have a good reason to remember the 5th of November... heh --<small>[[User:Hagnat|hagnat]]</small> 11:39, 6 November 2014 (UTC)


'''Nay''' [[User:Radio-ratio|Radio-ratio]] 01:44, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Apparently one new feature is that the wiki will now email you when a page you've watched has been edited. Does anyone know if this feature can be disabled? ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>16:19, 6 November 2014 (UTC)</sub>
: actually, this is an old feature. What is new is that pages you edit are automatically added to your watchlist... this one sucks --<small>[[User:Hagnat|hagnat]]</small> 16:21, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
: preferences > watchlist >uncheck "Add pages and files I edit to my watchlist" > save --<small>[[User:Hagnat|hagnat]]</small> 16:23, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
::Thanks. The adding pages you edit to watch list thing can be disabled as well from the watchlist tab in preferences. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>16:24, 6 November 2014 (UTC)</sub>
::: erm, that is what i just told you how to --<small>[[User:Hagnat|hagnat]]</small> 18:58, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
::::Yeah, what the update did was set it so that we all get e-mailed by default for updates to watched pages. It may have also set it so that we add pages to our watchlist by default (I couldn't say, since I already had that behavior enabled). Either way, both are easily set to whatever you want in your prefs. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 20:05, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
:::::Guess we edited at same time, hags. And yeah Aichon, looks like it set those options to default. Ironically, I didn't know the wiki had been updated until I got an email because a page on my watch list was edited. I came here thinking it was a talk page message. I promptly turned it off. I have a lot of admin pages on watch list still from when I was sysop. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>00:26, 7 November 2014 (UTC)</sub>


'''Nay''' - Yeah, barely anything is different from the current page (at least not enough to matter) and I don't like the light green colors.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 02:18, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
== Change afoot? ==


'''Yay''' - I'm still not horribly keen on the pink, but as long as that doesn't carry over to other pages I don't mind. It's much more tidy than the Main Page is right now, that's for sure. --{{User:Maverick Farrant/sig}} 06:40, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Just noticed that the names of many city blocks have their spaces missing (e.g. "CrossmanGrovePoliceDept") because they've been replaced with line breaks in HTML that don't actually get displayed on the page. It's a bug, obviously, but the more significant thing is that it means Kevan or someone is mucking around in the code or the data. Maybe we'll see some changes soon? {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 19:33, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
:That's funny I thought it was just my crappy internet. If it's happening to you as well then hopefully we'll see something new. Though there is a whole host of different possibilities for what it could mean. --{{User:Storm/Sig}} 19:46, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
:: Yes, I have also noticed the change you have described in the buildings' names in the navigational map.  Also, I feel that fuel has been impossible (or nearly impossible) to find in the last 4-6 days.  My best guess is that Kevan is implementing changes based on the Ten-Year Survey. --[[User:PyroSadist|PyroSadist]] ([[User talk:PyroSadist|talk]]) 19:48, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
:::I actually just found some fuel yesterday after Bob mentioned that it was hard to find. >_> {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 20:05, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
::::I haven't been able to find fuel at all. Scored on the first try at an Auto Repair about something like five days ago. Returned to the same place the next day, and haven't found any since even though I've blown all of my AP . That's over two hundred... :P {{User:Storm/Sig}} 20:20, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::Since I noticed the search rates getting odd, I've dumped about 100 AP into searching for fuel in my scouted safehouse, and have found exactly 1 fuel can. (Normally in those circumstances I'd find at least 4-5, if not more, in that time.)
:::::One other weird "glitch": a couple times in the past couple days, when I first log into a character, it looks like the "snow has fallen" terrain (white in e.g. streets) but once I take an action the snow goes away. Doesn't happen every time I log in though. {{User:Bob Moncrief/Sig}} 20:30, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::Maybe it's always been there, but it looks like there is a different graphic to represent streets, which is largely the same color, but with some "texture?" -- [[User:PyroSadist|PyroSadist]] ([[User talk:PyroSadist|talk]]) 22:05, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::Wow. All this news is exciting. It's a sad life when even the game suddenly becoming funky and broken is exciting, but your thoughts have kept me optimistic. Hopefully some fresh changes occur! {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/a}} 00:53, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Here's some "objective" evidence that may correlate with fuel shortages---active Mobile-Phone Masts (MPMs) are down from 35% on 1/28/2016 to 25% on 2/02/2016 to 14% on 2/03/2016.  I will continue to record MPM functionality on the [[MPM]] page. -- [[User:PyroSadist|PyroSadist]] ([[User talk:PyroSadist|talk]]) 03:46, 3 February 2016 (UTC)


'''Whatever''' - stop spamming the damned wikinews with this! Also give up on the whole 'community portal will work'. It's been tried. It doesn't.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:47, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
A decline in fuel cans and corresponding decline in proportion of lit buildings means my EMR-based suburb-level status updates could start getting wonky — lit buildings are generally the best proxy for survivor population in a suburb. May have to not mark suburbs as ghost towns even with "few" or "only one" lit building unless further corroborated, e.g. by on-the-ground reports or serious damage level. {{User:Bob Moncrief/Sig}} 06:55, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
:I have a feeling the change we see will either be temporary enough for this not to become an issue, or so drastic that we may have to rethink the entire dangermap concept altogether. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/a}} 11:43, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
::To be fair, I think our current dangermap system isn't sufficient anymore - the danger levels are based on zombie counts that were relevant when we had 50k players. Now that we're down to 5k, we have a danger map that's increasingly gray... which paints an accurate picture, but provides less and less pertinent information as time goes on. Perhaps the ghost town classification should be moved to a gray border of the cell? In any case, we should just be happy that the game is receiving some kind of attention from Kevan. [[User:World &#39;globe|World &#39;globe]] ([[User talk:World &#39;globe|talk]]) 18:38, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
:::Most of us who've been updating the dangermap system have adjusted our "boundaries" for what qualifies as safe/ghost town downwards over time ([[Malton Danger Updaters/Tools#External Military|here's a chart of my current standards]]). Although I would agree that a "ghost town — barricaded" and "ghost town — ruined" status difference could be useful. {{User:Bob Moncrief/Sig}} 02:08, 3 March 2016 (UTC)


'''Yay'''. Sure, why not. It's pretty. --[[User:Blackboard|Blackboard]] 10:03, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
== Main page change ==


'''Nay''' - The front page is fine as it is. Stop spamming this fucking discussion page. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 10:12, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Was there still any interest in giving the main page a change in looks? --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 01:53, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
:Yeah, I still want to do that. [[User:Stelar|stelar]] ([[User talk:Stelar|talk]]) 03:42, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
::Just leave my beloved stats page link alone. --[[User:Rosslessness|<span style="color: MidnightBlue ">R</span><span style="color: Navy">o</span><span style="color: DarkBlue">s</span><span style="color: MediumBlue">s</span><span style="color: RoyalBlue"></span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness|<span style="color: RoyalBlue">l</span><span style="color: CornflowerBlue">e</span><span style="color: SkyBlue">s</span><span style="color: LightskyBlue">s</span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness/Quiz|<span style="color: LightBlue">n</span><span style="color: PowderBlue">e</span>]][[Monroeville Many|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]][[The Great Suburb Group Massacre|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]]<sup>[[Location Page Building Toolkit|<span style="color: DarkRed">Want a Location Image?]] </span> </sup>  09:19, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
:::Yeah, don't touch the navbar. Trust me. Don't touch it. Bad things happen to those who do. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 17:33, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
::::Hey, the last [[MediaWiki talk:Sidebar|mass touching of the navbar]] was one of my proudest moments. {{User:Bob Moncrief/Sig}} 15:45, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
:Sure. Our last attempt at coming up with something is [[User:Aichon/Sandbox/Demo13|in my sandbox]], but it stalled out for a variety of reasons, the largest of which was the realization that [[User:Aichon/Sandbox/Templates14|the pull-down menu system]] it was built around only works (worked?) for people using a particular (non-default) template in their preferences, since we didn't have the ability to add the necessary CSS to any of the other templates. Once we realized that, I kinda lost the drive to keep pushing the project forward. That said, the game and community have changed a lot in the years since we attempted that design, so we could probably cut a lot more stuff at this point. Plus, UI notions have shifted a lot since then, so even if it ''did'' work (which it doesn't), it doesn't even look good. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 17:32, 13 November 2017 (UTC)


== 6 players on 44th level ==
:If and only if we replace it with a gnarly picture of my ass. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 20:47, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
::Would you settle for a rubber duck? {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 22:45, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
:::You're one letter out. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 00:35, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
::::But who'd want a robber duck? --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">▋</span>]]</span>''' 08:18, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
:::::You misunderstand. He was talking about a rubber deck. They don't rot like wood decks and patios do, nor rust like steel does, but they can be patterned to look like high-grade woods and metals, making them ideal for outdoor use. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 15:52, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
::::::Plus you can clean the spooge off of them real easy. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 21:40, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
::Didn't you make it goatse once? {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/a}} 04:49, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:::Not the main page, but I think I goatsed something alright. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 00:34, 22 November 2017 (UTC)


Who are they? What is 44th ability? (this information is in Stats) --[[User:TheQ|TheQ]] 16:41, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
== A change in history ==
:From [[Level|here]]: ''The stats page has a section outlining the amount of levels obtained by different classes. However, these figures are a bit misleading because (at least historically) two non-skill factors can also increase the level a character is counted as in these statistics. The "flags" for having an infection and for being a corpse that is undergoing revivification both count as "skills" for this purpose. That is why you, at any given time, you will see a dozen or so level 44 characters. However, you never see any level 44 zombies, so it seems infections do not increase their level.'' --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 22:20, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
UD hides many socialites. Many don't even want to come forward to point them out but that's ok, we're aware. Problem is we NEED those pointed out and made examples of with proof. I got my eye on you ;) Proof is coming up and those masquerading as legit will fall. --[[User:Murderess|Murderess]] ([[User talk:Murderess|talk]]) 19:07, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
:Not all the socialites in UD are attention-starved enough to post on Main Page's talk just to be seen. I suppose they are classier. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig5}} 22:08, 10 February 2019 (UTC)


== Tasteful history ==
== Discord ==


Can anyone add history to 'blank history building'. Such as a sentence or short paragraph? If so what would the 'rules' be about this, includeing keeping Urban Dead history. (By histroy I mean pre- zombie history)--[[User:Athur birling|Athur birling]] 20:21, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone feel that our Discord deserves a place on the main page? --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 23:45, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
:Have a go at a page history, tell us which page, we'll look and tell you if its ok. (Which it probably will be). --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:29, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
:The UDWiki Discord was explicity not listed in the sidebar as it's not run by Kevan or anyone officially UD-affiliated, and doesn't abide by all wiki rules. I can understand it being listed under Community Projects maybe, but I'd expect there'd be pushback to that. {{User:Bob Moncrief/Sig}} 23:47, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
Warehouse 24,80 here we go, I ment more on the lines of the description of New Arkham. Not to change it, but to put descriptions like that in some non detailed buildings. I just like the description of the beer building. --[[User:Athur birling|Athur birling]] 20:56, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
::I think we should consider allowing it to go on there. We can always change it back if we need to. In my Main Page redesign drafts I've always had the Discord in there.
:you'd probably like [[ALiM]].--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:03, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
::If you're bothered at the idea off it being unofficial we could also ask Kevan for approval. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig5}} 05:24, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
:::I'm more bothered by the fact that making it official would mean it should probably follow the general rules of the wiki. I'd want to tie membership on there to wiki membership (e.g. making people use their wiki account names as discord nicknames) so as to enforce e.g. vandal bans across both platforms. Unless Kevan would specifically approve not doing that. {{User:Bob Moncrief/Sig}} 12:37, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
::::Do you think it's worth it to the community, despite needing to police things a bit more, to give the Discord more exposure (and more traffic)? --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 15:55, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
::::In no way is the wiki actually tied to the game at all (accounts aren't linked, rules are totally different) but one is endorsed by the other and appears on the main page of the game, so I don't see why we couldn't see this as an extension of that. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig5}} 21:46, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
:::::The other part of this, which came up during the big... discussion a couple years (!) ago, is that currently I'm functionally a staff of one in terms of moderation/decisionmaking on the discord. If the endorsement & responsibility structure is changed, I'd definitely want there to be multiple moderators (unfortunately not sysop-janitors, but moderators) and I might not want to be one of them, or at least not the lead one. Is there someone who's willing to take on that role? {{User:Bob Moncrief/Sig}} 15:59, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

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I just made a donation but I forgot to write in which 3 characters I want to play all the time as, how long till I can unlock the characterrs?JoshCz (talk)

Fixed on his talk page. A ZOMBIE ANT 16:00, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

There's a new update!

Would someone who can edit the main page fix that please? I don't know why, but the prospect of something NEW there is incredibly satisfying. It took 365 days, so I guess there's that.--Seekandyeshallfind QI PK 12:46, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

A helpful little gnome got it. For future reference, the text comes from Template:Lastupdate, which any autoconfirmed user can edit. --VVV RPGMBCWS 16:39, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Ms Malton 2011 Pageant

Would it be possible to put a link to this event on the front page thru August 2011 from here: http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Ms_Malton_2011_Pageant#Entry_Requirements:

SmokeyDawn 06:17, 3 July 2011 (BST)

Head over here and follow the instructions. Anything you post in there gets included on the main page. Aichon 08:25, 3 July 2011 (BST)
Thank you for the info & editing help! ♥--SmokeyDawn 07:01, 9 July 2011 (BST)

Outbreak Source?

Did anyone know where the zombie virus came from? (You know, except from NecroTech.) Like, did it come from Ridleybank? Or some NecroTech facility outside of Malton? Is there a known source, geographically? Tried searching the wiki, but nothing came up. --Rolfero 16:02, 10 June 2009 (BST)

Outbreak and Possible Causes for the Situation are the best ones, but there isn't really any stuff on where it came from. DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 16:27, 10 June 2009 (BST)
Reading Time! Thanks. --Rolfero 16:36, 10 June 2009 (BST)
From a RP point of view, there is no confirmed source. read half a dozen location pages and you'll come up with one with a theory. For instance. Blabey Drive--RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 16:38, 10 June 2009 (BST)
That's cool. Hmm... You know any more locations like that? I'll search around and try to find as many as possible. --Rolfero 16:46, 10 June 2009 (BST)
There's a few on ALiM, i forget which one's though. One of the dead interesting ones, a coffin lolcations p'aps? --xoxo 06:01, 13 June 2009 (BST)

Removing the iwitness link on the main page

Since urbandead.info's been stolen by domain poachers, it looks like it's gone, at least for now. I say that we replace it with dumbwit (which is a hasty replacement for itwit, been there since the last time it went down,) or just remove the link. Thoughts? Linkthewindow  Talk  10:20, 20 June 2009 (BST)

Or udwitness. Linkthewindow  Talk  10:30, 20 June 2009 (BST)
I don't know which is best, eaasier, more accessable. Perhaps a link to a page holding all such programs? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 10:39, 20 June 2009 (BST)
I'll go ahead and remove the link now. I've used dumbwit quite a bit, but it's very simple. I'm going to try udwitness for a while. Anyone else got an idea? Linkthewindow  Talk  10:44, 20 June 2009 (BST)
Put it onto List of External Sites. DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 11:02, 20 June 2009 (BST)
Done. Linkthewindow  Talk  11:11, 20 June 2009 (BST)
One thing that could be done is to have the link to iwitness reports in a template (or any other external resource used in the wiki). So, if this happens again, one can simply change the base url and update any reference to a iwitness in the entire wiki. The page would be protected to prevent vandalism, of course. --People's Commissar Hagnat [talk] [wcdz] 15:23, 20 June 2009 (BST)

I say you guys fix this travesty considering iwitness works, is better, and etc etc. Also the Max Map needs adding again. ;) The urls are all the same, oh and udwidget has been updated too. --Karekmaps?! 21:39, 3 July 2009 (BST)

As far as I can tell, the only thing I'm missing with UDWitness is a search feature and privatization of reports. :p -   HaliphaxTCS 16:19, 8 July 2009 (BST) (UDWitness author)
Which is to say it's lacking but you're trying to minimize that by not mentioning all the things it's lacking in. I fail to see how this is relevant.--Karekmaps?! 04:49, 9 July 2009 (BST)
So you want a way to make them more secure AND a way to search for the one you want? Thats a little bit contradictory. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 08:43, 9 July 2009 (BST)
facepalm to end all facepalms .. It lacks a search feature and privatization. PERIOD. The two are NOT mutually exclusive -- PUBLIC records can be searched, PRIVATE ones will not be listed. There is no need to be boorish. Don't you also think it a bit closed-minded to only put stock in only one service when 1.) There are several like it and 2.) It has gone down repeatedly over the last several years? I am merely offering an alternative to IWitness. It was built simply because one day, when I wanted to use IWitness, it was down. A week later, it was still down. I wasn't having any of that, so I built UDWitness. I figured other people could benefit from it, so I released it to the general UD-playing public. I receive no benefit from running the service other than knowing that it serves a purpose (i.e., there is no ad revenue, and I pay for the server out of pocket). -   HaliphaxTCS 14:23, 9 July 2009 (BST)
Not to stir he pot, but the current listings look good to me. The various systems do pretty much the same thing (hell, looks like they use the same code in the bookmarklets). Halifax- if you want to slap in a private reacord feature, its as simple as having an index page (one that does NOT list the files) for the directory the private record pages are stored in. Since it looks like all your record are stored in one stonking big directory, that means a single static index page would do the trick for ya (rather than the fancy / excessive system Iwit uses of a new directory every hour). SIM Core Map.png Swiers 03:56, 10 April 2010 (BST)
Added it back on the page, by the way. Linkthewindow  Talk  08:55, 9 July 2009 (BST)

Guide for Newbie UDWiki Users

two years ago several users started to create a guide for the udwiki newbie user. Its incomplete right now, and some sections could be tweaked a little to become more friendly. Anyway, could someone link this guide in the main page, just below the first time playing link ? --People's Commissar Hagnat [talk] [wcdz] 21:15, 15 July 2009 (BST)

I'll make a new one or update this when I get around to it. I've been meaning to do so for a while. Until then, we shouldn't add it to the main page. Linkthewindow  Talk  13:33, 16 July 2009 (BST)

Ross?

A wild Rosslessness appears. :P. Really though, what's up with that? --Haliman - Talk 13:31, 18 September 2009 (BST)

I have no idea. probably my edit to news. hold on. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 13:36, 18 September 2009 (BST)
Sorted. Anything you type on template wiki news, below the included template is added to the start of news. I can see no way it could be exploited to get messages onto a protected page.--RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 13:39, 18 September 2009 (BST)
I knew I wasn't crazy. :D --Haliman - Talk 05:23, 19 September 2009 (BST)


*Looks at Wiki*
Mmm hmm I won't even go there.
Jerrel Yokotory 21:49, 16 October 2009 (BST)

Error

"Apr 11th - A better policy which requires notification of escalations and de-escalations in the vandal system has be submitted for discussion. All users are encouraged to comment here." Fixing this, anyone? --Gh4.pngSkinGh3.png 15:48, 11 April 2010 (BST)

You were welcome to do so... but I'll get to it. -Poodle of DoomM! Fear is only as deep as the mind will allow it be.T 15:57, 11 April 2010 (BST)

Main Page tweaks?

So I've been working on some possible alterations to the main page. I'm hoping for some input on this, and if anyone would be interested in seeing some of these changes made. ~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 04:02, 26 April 2010 (BST)

it is my understanding that GPDNAS is not active. i could be wrong but might want to check their forums.--Dirty 11:01, 26 April 2010 (BST)
I like the community portal, but hate the top box. We could always modify MediaWiki:Anonnotice to contain the information. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 11:39, 26 April 2010 (BST)

Small Edit to be Made

The front page says that it has been 4 years since the outbreak, but it rolled over to 5 a few days ago.

Chocolate bob 22:58, 6 July 2010 (BST)

Done.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 23:33, 6 July 2010 (BST)

Skills link

ok i think there should be a link that led to skills only--Zombieman 11 23:21, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Oh you mean like the link on the Main Page that leads to This Page that when click brings you to the Skills page? The one that is labeled Skills that can be found on the Main Page? ~Vsig.png 23:30, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
no i mean on th side bar thing--Zombieman 11 21:57, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
You know that's not actually a bad idea... -- LEMON #1 22:06, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
And only one of us around here has the ability to change it. *nudge nudge* Aichon 22:24, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
Zombieman 11, just click the link on the side bar that says Random Page until you find it. You'll come across it eventually. ~Vsig.png 22:16, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
Vapor, I present thee a cookie for that comment.
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--•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 23:18, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Curious

Do we really need all of this junk? I'm thinking it's time for an overhaul and reduction to things directly useful to players needing help. Not things useful to the wiki community(the purpose of UDWiki:Community Portal and MediaWiki:Sidebar). --Karekmaps 2.0?! 09:05, 20 June 2011 (BST)

It's not junk, the wiki is also here to facilitate community interests. What would you suggest? Although, it might be better to just turn CP into a series of useful links, like some other wikis, because as of now it's not really useful. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 17:21, 20 June 2011 (BST)

mediawiki sidebar recruitment

I was thinking. Because of the perhaps undeniable success of the #Skills link suggestion two headers above this one, perhaps we should add a page to recruitment or such to the side as well, i dunno, Groups is a bit large, but maybe that would be of interest to users? maybe? just food for thought? -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 13:32, 25 July 2011 (BST)

Dunno. I don't actually know that many people who have used the recruitment page to actually join groups. :P --Yonnua Koponen T G P ^^^ 13:48, 25 July 2011 (BST)
Chances are adding in that link would make it more widely used. Although if we were going to add in that link I'd say organize up the recruitment page by type of group first then A-Z under there respective headers. As just plain A-Z isn't particularly helpful. Hell I'll even do the rearranging need be..       13:54, 25 July 2011 (BST)
that might be because we haven't thrown recruit page at them enough yet! Dunno. You're probably right. I wouldn't know, never was good at joining groups. As mazu said about changing recruitment page to fit, I think that's also a decent idea and may possibly be worth it just to give recruitment a bigger surge in viewership and more usefulness? -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 13:59, 25 July 2011 (BST)
I can hear the cries of 'bias!' already with regards to sorting the groups by type, not only between the different playstyles, but potentially within groups too. I do think adding a recruitment link to the sidebar is an excellent idea though, mostly because I've just improved the RRF recruitment advert <___< --TWO HEADED SEX BEAST 14:04, 25 July 2011 (BST)
Bias? I'd simply sort them out as PKer, Pro-survivor(Bounty hunters, Life Cultist, etc.), and Pro-Zombie(RKers, GKers, Death Cultist, etc.). If they'd have a problem with their placement just post it up on the talk page and well sort it out.       14:07, 25 July 2011 (BST)
Who gets the top of the page though? Pro-zombie? Pro-survivor? Player killer? Personally, I don't think it matters all that much, but there's almost certainly going to get people that'll complain if they perceive bias (from survivors, for example, if you list zombie groups first). --TWO HEADED SEX BEAST 14:23, 25 July 2011 (BST)
Hell didn't even think of that. We can just do that alphabetically as a bias free way of organizing. So it'd go Player Killer Groups, Pro-Survivor, Pro-Zombie, Miscellaneous Groups(last because they lack a theme and that's common practice among the internet I think?).        14:36, 25 July 2011 (BST)
I think just keeping the organisation as it is works for the best, to be honest. For hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee 15:06, 25 July 2011 (BST)
The organization discussion is separate from the topic at hand, and is better handled on the Recruitment page (as an aside, I agree with Mis, since anyone whose been around for the debates on that page or the suburb group listings knows how much of a bag of drama that topic can be). As for this discussion, adding the link is valuable, so I'd go with it. And for those asking about how often people actually use the page, I'd say that probably 1/3 to 1/2 of the recruits the SoC gets who cite a reason they joined cite the wiki. Aichon 21:22, 25 July 2011 (BST)
I can't believe people would throw a fit because of the order, idiots, but I'll take it to the recruitment page since the current A-Z organization just makes it harder to find groups if your looking for a certain type.        21:35, 25 July 2011 (BST)
Every group is tagged by type. Ctrl + F. For hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee 22:38, 25 July 2011 (BST)
What are the chances of getting a Recruitment link added to the sidebar then? I'd personally like to see it happen if it'll be potentially successful in boosting group numbers. --TWO HEADED SEX BEAST 19:33, 27 July 2011 (BST)
Since there didn't seem to be any opposition to adding it, I went ahead and did it. The community section seemed to make most sense so that is where I put it. Maybe "the game" section would be better. ~Vsig.png 19:49, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
I would say it fits better in "the Game" section because it's a page relating to Urban Dead the game, not wiki.       20:44, 27 July 2011 (BST)
+1. --TWO HEADED SEX BEAST 20:52, 27 July 2011 (BST)
Yeah thought better of it, too. "The Game" it is. ~Vsig.png 21:04, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

4 days worth of RC

i was worried that lately i got to see 3 days worth of RC... but today, i got to see today (September 20), yesterday (19), the day before yesterday (18) and the day before that (17)... are we losing contributors ? --hagnat 20:02, 20 September 2011 (BST)

Yes, but also it's been abnormally slow. I think it will pick up in October due to some events but we definitely have much fewer contributors, less drama, even less spambots these days. ~Vsig.png 20:08, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
It's getting hard to sysop with nothing to fix. For hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee 21:49, 20 September 2011 (BST)
Clearly, someone needs to start a ruckus. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 00:12, 21 September 2011 (BST)
I think that someone should be you, Gnome. ;) --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 01:12, 21 September 2011 (BST)
*breaks wiki*       01:23, 21 September 2011 (BST)
VANDALISM!!! VANDALISM!!! *throws ban hammer at Mazu* --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 01:32, 21 September 2011 (BST)
I laugh in the face of your spambots, back in the day we'd ban pages upon pages a day. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 01:44, 25 September 2011 (BST)
I will devise a plan behind everyone's backs and conduct the result for all to see. Well, it will be ruckus, of some sort! --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 04:50, 21 September 2011 (BST)

I'm taking you all to arbitration. -- ™ & © Amazing, INC. All rights reserved. Replying constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. 01:57, 22 September 2011 (BST)

You go ahead and do that, but I demand not just a single arbitrator. I demand there be a jury of arbitrators. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 02:03, 22 September 2011 (BST)
I'll be one! --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 03:39, 22 September 2011 (BST)
I'll be three! Aichon 05:28, 22 September 2011 (BST)

Quack

....Um...What the fuck? Did Yon really request that in his Arby's ruling? Alright, sure, I might have joined in that joke a bit around the middle, but I think we've crossed the line here with the...um...carrying out of the ruling. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 00:15, 7 October 2011 (BST)

It was that or promoting Nubis. Settle down the lesser evil. -- Spiderzed 00:16, 7 October 2011 (BST)
This is beyond the limits of what an arbies can do... --THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS DORISFlag.jpg LOE ZHU | Яezzens 00:18, 7 October 2011 (BST)
Grr! Argh! *shaking fist* For hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee 01:02, 7 October 2011 (BST)
Also the parties in question have to like, accept? Pretty sure we still do that.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 01:04, 7 October 2011 (BST)

the date and year

2012 calling and it's warm outside. --User:Sexualharrison15:38, 22 May 2012

Main Page Organization Discussion

Continuation of a discussion begun at Template talk:UDThisMonth.

As the Community Portal template has lengthened somewhat with the introduction of the UD This Month feature, it has pushed the Navigation boxes further down the page. Is there consensus to swap the Navigation and Community Portal sections? Please discuss. Bob Moncrief EBDW! 01:31, 29 July 2012 (BST)

I'm certainly in favor. Aichon 01:48, 29 July 2012 (BST)
New players should see the navigation boxes above the community portal sections. They won't care about UD history or community projects yet. Old players don't need the navigation boxes, therefore would like the community portal sections above the navigation boxes. Also, I prefer pages formatted for small phone screens (important stuff above miscellaneous stuff)...less scrolling is better. -- Son of Sin 02:55, 29 July 2012 (BST)
I'm in favor. ~Vsig.png 03:11, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
I think better design is the solution here, not omitting things. I like all the panels a lot, probably "community announcements" the most and "this day in X" the least, but that's irrelevant. If we were to get rid of anything I guess it should be the FA, but I'd much prefer fixing the template altogether so the FA was maybe in its own section under the "community announcements" and "in this month" side by side perhaps DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 04:43, 29 July 2012 (BST)
No one was still talking about cutting elements. We were just talking about swapping the two sections. Better design, as you said. Aichon 05:14, 29 July 2012 (BST)
Swap them.--Shortround }.{ My Contributions 15:05, 29 July 2012 (BST)

Are we still interested in renewing the Main Page? Also, I've been doing things to the Community Portal. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 16:54, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

The big discussion on A/PT stalled out because the latest (and, I think, most comprehensive) proposal, by Aichon, doesn't work in the default wiki skin. So either we all have to be ported over to another skin (requiring Kevanic intervention) or another proposal has to materialize. Someone correct me if I've got all this wrong. Bob Moncrief EBDW! 17:04, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
Okay. I think we should just figure out how to stick the navigation stuff in the UD header thingy, and remove the UD news to the CP. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 17:07, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
If you have any suggestions for how we can "just" stick the navigation stuff in the UD header in a way that's sensible and doesn't impede the flow of the page, I am definitely all ears. I wouldn't move the UD news to CP though, since it's definitely not community-oriented. In fact, I'd be more inclined to move wiki news or this month in UD to the CP before we moved UD news (of course, I don't want to see those go there either, since they're both very nice to have right on the main page). Aichon 22:46, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
With tables. I'll give it a go sometime later. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 23:00, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
Or just give me a synopsis of the issues you ran into and the CSS/JS code used and I can see if I can find a clever work around. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 03:47, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
Just CSS, no JS, and the issue was basically that the CSS was only being loaded for non-default themes. The system message I edited was supposed to apply to ALL themes, but IIRC that functionality broke a few wiki updates ago, so if you use the default wiki theme and go to my demo page, it'll appear different and rather useless. Aichon 04:34, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
Kevin futzed with it and apparently accidentally removed the common.css call on the UrbanDead skin/s. There's no way for us to modify it and that also means that a number of other fixes aren't currently working at all on the default skin on this wiki. Shoot him an email, as it's also missing a lot of the core functionality present in the other skins between style sheets and js calls. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 09:14, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
Blast it. If he doesn't reply (let's assume,) any chance of a compromise between our goals and reality? All these mockups had me excited. A ZOMBIE ANT 10:23, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm aware of the cause, but (oddly) hadn't thought to actually contact him about it. I'm a bit busy the next few days (traveling and whatnot), so if one of you guys wants to contact him... Aichon 14:57, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
Is a compromise so hard? I mean what was wrong with the earlier mockups, even they were better than what we have at the moment. I'm not trying to wriggle out of emailing him, I just think that's the best route atm, because Kevan, I assume, won't do anything, and even then I wouldn't know what to say. A ZOMBIE ANT 01:34, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
As I recall, there were issues both with the earlier "compromise" designs and the final one, beyond the technical difficulties. And since no one was forthcoming with solutions and it was eating up too much time to do it on my own, I gave it up until someone had a great idea or we could solve the technical issues. Aichon 04:34, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
Ah, fair enough. Well I won't be any more of a "has no idea what he's demanding but demands it anyway" dude so I'll just say 'what a shame' and be done with it :'( A ZOMBIE ANT 05:35, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Icon should do the thing he doesn't have time to do because I'm assuming it'll make my default skin look all pretty and shit and I'd enjoy that.--SA 10:14, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I know no way to modify the default skin. Aichon 05:46, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

why is there no featured article?

well?--Rosslessness 01:03, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Looks like it's set on a cycle of "what week of the year is it" which only goes up to 53. Presumably 2012 started part of the way through a week and hence we've managed to hit the 54th week of the year. Don't think it's that big of an issue and I imagine it'll fix itself tomorrow. --Shortround }.{ My Contributions 01:07, 31 December 2012 (UTC)


Announcements from Halloween?

Anything newer to report?--Sarah Silverman 18:20, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Nope, that's the most recent thing from the news page. Bob Moncrief EBDW! 18:35, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
Shouldn't we use the headlines to also announce the biggest and most recent ingame news facts as well then? I mean, discovering a wiki with a half year old, no longer applicable headline is hardly appealing to new players... PB&J 16:43, 26 May 2013 (BST)
There's been lots of discussion on that. Example. You can also troll around Aichon's talk page, or one of his subpages, whatever it's called. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 16:56, 26 May 2013 (BST)

Wiki upgrade

Hello wiki. I've just wrangled the MediaWiki install up to date, to v1.23.6. I'm currently squashing the obvious problems (I'm just looking at restoring the image in the corner now), but if there's anything I've missed, raise it here (or perhaps reuse Help:Wiki Update?) and I'll get onto it. The only significant change so far is that MediaWiki:Titleblacklist has superceded MediaWiki:Usernameblacklist - I've just copied everything across and added a <newaccountonly> tag. --Kevan (talk) 16:08, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

So far, the only issues I've noticed are broken images (e.g. the first three flagboxes on the side of my userpage seem to have broken image icons, despite my best efforts to clear the page's cache by using &action=purge and saving a non-edit to the page) and a little graphical wonkiness, which is probably related to the theme, as you mentioned elsewhere. And, honestly, we can probably kill most of the entries in the blacklist anyway. It was mostly just there to slow the spammers down a bit when they were at their worst awhile back. Aichon 18:30, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
If you mean the "Don't Take It Personally" / "Etiquette" / "Logic and Reason" boxes, they're all showing up with images for me. I'll take a look at fixing the theme tomorrow. --Kevan (talk) 18:45, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
Those were the three. Odd, it's working fine in another browser for me, so it must be something on my end. I'll clear my cache again/restart/whatever later on my own time. Thanks for helping confirm it's on my end. Aichon 19:11, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
Okay, so, this is a bit more unusual than I expected. On Friday I checked my page at work on Windows in Chrome (broken images) and Firefox (images working), which led me to believe it was some sort of browser caching issue in Chrome that would clear itself up. But today, I just checked my page from home on OS X in Chrome (broken images), Firefox (images working), and Safari (broken images). At home, I've disabled all browser extensions and userscripts in Chrome, just to eliminate them as variables, and yet the images still fail to show up for those specific templates. The fact that Firefox is the only browser successfully loading them for me on two separate computers has me wondering why that would be the case. I haven't used Safari or Firefox in months, so I'd expect them to perform similarly when it comes to caching issues, yet they didn't. Paynetrain just updated his page to have a lot of images I hadn't seen before, and I'm seeing similar issues there, where Firefox successfully shows them all, while Chrome and Safari fail to do so. Go figure. Aichon 20:50, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
I can't recall if this was brought up anywhere and I wanted to bring it up while I was thinking about it, but part of the issue with images not loading in some browsers stems from images which have been resized using wikicode. For example My User Page did not correctly display the main image until I removed the wikicode which resized it. It's the same across the wiki for me. Any time I see an image that uses "|nnpx", the image appears broken in my browser. As you can imagine, this creates a lot of broken images. ~Vsig.png 17:12, 28 February 2015, The year of our lord (UTC)
Is there an alternative code we can use? Then I can trawl through every broken image and fix them. --Rosslessness 20:03, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
The only other wiki markup I'm aware of to resize images is "thumb" (ex. [[File:Rando.png|thumb]]), but that doesn't appear to work either. I get the error "There was a problem creating the thumbnail". I think that's the root cause. The wiki or my browser is failing to display image sizes other than the 2 create during the image upload. This may be somehow connected to the same problem which is preventing image uploads and deletion, or it could be a wholly different problem. Kevan only knows. ~Vsig.png 23:11, 1 March 2015, The year of our lord (UTC)

"Could not create directory "mwstore://local-backend/local-public/4/43".-Came up when i tried to upload a file..not sure if its a Bug or not--PayneTrain(FU) 10:01, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Acknowledged, will take a look. --Kevan (talk) 10:55, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Well, now we have a good reason to remember the 5th of November... heh --hagnat 11:39, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Apparently one new feature is that the wiki will now email you when a page you've watched has been edited. Does anyone know if this feature can be disabled? ~Vsig.png 16:19, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

actually, this is an old feature. What is new is that pages you edit are automatically added to your watchlist... this one sucks --hagnat 16:21, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
preferences > watchlist >uncheck "Add pages and files I edit to my watchlist" > save --hagnat 16:23, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. The adding pages you edit to watch list thing can be disabled as well from the watchlist tab in preferences. ~Vsig.png 16:24, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
erm, that is what i just told you how to --hagnat 18:58, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, what the update did was set it so that we all get e-mailed by default for updates to watched pages. It may have also set it so that we add pages to our watchlist by default (I couldn't say, since I already had that behavior enabled). Either way, both are easily set to whatever you want in your prefs. Aichon 20:05, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
Guess we edited at same time, hags. And yeah Aichon, looks like it set those options to default. Ironically, I didn't know the wiki had been updated until I got an email because a page on my watch list was edited. I came here thinking it was a talk page message. I promptly turned it off. I have a lot of admin pages on watch list still from when I was sysop. ~Vsig.png 00:26, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Change afoot?

Just noticed that the names of many city blocks have their spaces missing (e.g. "CrossmanGrovePoliceDept") because they've been replaced with line breaks in HTML that don't actually get displayed on the page. It's a bug, obviously, but the more significant thing is that it means Kevan or someone is mucking around in the code or the data. Maybe we'll see some changes soon? Aichon 19:33, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

That's funny I thought it was just my crappy internet. If it's happening to you as well then hopefully we'll see something new. Though there is a whole host of different possibilities for what it could mean. --__/Storm\___ «^^^» 19:46, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
Yes, I have also noticed the change you have described in the buildings' names in the navigational map. Also, I feel that fuel has been impossible (or nearly impossible) to find in the last 4-6 days. My best guess is that Kevan is implementing changes based on the Ten-Year Survey. --PyroSadist (talk) 19:48, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
I actually just found some fuel yesterday after Bob mentioned that it was hard to find. >_> Aichon 20:05, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
I haven't been able to find fuel at all. Scored on the first try at an Auto Repair about something like five days ago. Returned to the same place the next day, and haven't found any since even though I've blown all of my AP . That's over two hundred... :P __/Storm\___ «^^^» 20:20, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
Since I noticed the search rates getting odd, I've dumped about 100 AP into searching for fuel in my scouted safehouse, and have found exactly 1 fuel can. (Normally in those circumstances I'd find at least 4-5, if not more, in that time.)
One other weird "glitch": a couple times in the past couple days, when I first log into a character, it looks like the "snow has fallen" terrain (white in e.g. streets) but once I take an action the snow goes away. Doesn't happen every time I log in though. Bob Moncrief EBDW! 20:30, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
Maybe it's always been there, but it looks like there is a different graphic to represent streets, which is largely the same color, but with some "texture?" -- PyroSadist (talk) 22:05, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
Wow. All this news is exciting. It's a sad life when even the game suddenly becoming funky and broken is exciting, but your thoughts have kept me optimistic. Hopefully some fresh changes occur! A ZOMBIE ANT 00:53, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
Here's some "objective" evidence that may correlate with fuel shortages---active Mobile-Phone Masts (MPMs) are down from 35% on 1/28/2016 to 25% on 2/02/2016 to 14% on 2/03/2016. I will continue to record MPM functionality on the MPM page. -- PyroSadist (talk) 03:46, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

A decline in fuel cans and corresponding decline in proportion of lit buildings means my EMR-based suburb-level status updates could start getting wonky — lit buildings are generally the best proxy for survivor population in a suburb. May have to not mark suburbs as ghost towns even with "few" or "only one" lit building unless further corroborated, e.g. by on-the-ground reports or serious damage level. Bob Moncrief EBDW! 06:55, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

I have a feeling the change we see will either be temporary enough for this not to become an issue, or so drastic that we may have to rethink the entire dangermap concept altogether. A ZOMBIE ANT 11:43, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
To be fair, I think our current dangermap system isn't sufficient anymore - the danger levels are based on zombie counts that were relevant when we had 50k players. Now that we're down to 5k, we have a danger map that's increasingly gray... which paints an accurate picture, but provides less and less pertinent information as time goes on. Perhaps the ghost town classification should be moved to a gray border of the cell? In any case, we should just be happy that the game is receiving some kind of attention from Kevan. World 'globe (talk) 18:38, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
Most of us who've been updating the dangermap system have adjusted our "boundaries" for what qualifies as safe/ghost town downwards over time (here's a chart of my current standards). Although I would agree that a "ghost town — barricaded" and "ghost town — ruined" status difference could be useful. Bob Moncrief EBDW! 02:08, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Main page change

Was there still any interest in giving the main page a change in looks? --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 01:53, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, I still want to do that. stelar (talk) 03:42, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
Just leave my beloved stats page link alone. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 09:19, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, don't touch the navbar. Trust me. Don't touch it. Bad things happen to those who do. Aichon 17:33, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
Hey, the last mass touching of the navbar was one of my proudest moments. Bob Moncrief EBDW! 15:45, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
Sure. Our last attempt at coming up with something is in my sandbox, but it stalled out for a variety of reasons, the largest of which was the realization that the pull-down menu system it was built around only works (worked?) for people using a particular (non-default) template in their preferences, since we didn't have the ability to add the necessary CSS to any of the other templates. Once we realized that, I kinda lost the drive to keep pushing the project forward. That said, the game and community have changed a lot in the years since we attempted that design, so we could probably cut a lot more stuff at this point. Plus, UI notions have shifted a lot since then, so even if it did work (which it doesn't), it doesn't even look good. Aichon 17:32, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
If and only if we replace it with a gnarly picture of my ass. For hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee 20:47, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
Would you settle for a rubber duck? Aichon 22:45, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
You're one letter out. For hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee 00:35, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
But who'd want a robber duck? -- Spiderzed 08:18, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
You misunderstand. He was talking about a rubber deck. They don't rot like wood decks and patios do, nor rust like steel does, but they can be patterned to look like high-grade woods and metals, making them ideal for outdoor use. Aichon 15:52, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
Plus you can clean the spooge off of them real easy. For hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee 21:40, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
Didn't you make it goatse once? A ZOMBIE ANT 04:49, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
Not the main page, but I think I goatsed something alright. For hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee 00:34, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

A change in history

UD hides many socialites. Many don't even want to come forward to point them out but that's ok, we're aware. Problem is we NEED those pointed out and made examples of with proof. I got my eye on you ;) Proof is coming up and those masquerading as legit will fall. --Murderess (talk) 19:07, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

Not all the socialites in UD are attention-starved enough to post on Main Page's talk just to be seen. I suppose they are classier. DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION 22:08, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

Discord

Does anyone feel that our Discord deserves a place on the main page? --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 23:45, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

The UDWiki Discord was explicity not listed in the sidebar as it's not run by Kevan or anyone officially UD-affiliated, and doesn't abide by all wiki rules. I can understand it being listed under Community Projects maybe, but I'd expect there'd be pushback to that. Bob Moncrief EBDW! 23:47, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
I think we should consider allowing it to go on there. We can always change it back if we need to. In my Main Page redesign drafts I've always had the Discord in there.
If you're bothered at the idea off it being unofficial we could also ask Kevan for approval. DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION 05:24, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
I'm more bothered by the fact that making it official would mean it should probably follow the general rules of the wiki. I'd want to tie membership on there to wiki membership (e.g. making people use their wiki account names as discord nicknames) so as to enforce e.g. vandal bans across both platforms. Unless Kevan would specifically approve not doing that. Bob Moncrief EBDW! 12:37, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
Do you think it's worth it to the community, despite needing to police things a bit more, to give the Discord more exposure (and more traffic)? --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 15:55, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
In no way is the wiki actually tied to the game at all (accounts aren't linked, rules are totally different) but one is endorsed by the other and appears on the main page of the game, so I don't see why we couldn't see this as an extension of that. DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION 21:46, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
The other part of this, which came up during the big... discussion a couple years (!) ago, is that currently I'm functionally a staff of one in terms of moderation/decisionmaking on the discord. If the endorsement & responsibility structure is changed, I'd definitely want there to be multiple moderators (unfortunately not sysop-janitors, but moderators) and I might not want to be one of them, or at least not the lead one. Is there someone who's willing to take on that role? Bob Moncrief EBDW! 15:59, 2 April 2020 (UTC)