UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct

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This page is for the reporting of administrator (sysop) misconduct within the Urban Dead wiki. Sysops are trusted with a considerable number of powers, many of which have the capacity to be abused. In many circumstances, it is possible for a sysop to cause considerable havoc. As such, users are provided this page to report misconduct from the System Operators. For consistency and accountability, sysops also adhere to the guidelines listed here.

Guidelines for System Operator Misconduct Reporting

The charge of Administrative Misconduct is a grave charge indeed. If misconduct occurs, it is important that the rest of the sysop team be able to review the charges as necessary. Any charge of administrative misconduct must be backed up with evidence. The clearest evidence that can be provided for administrative misconduct is a clear discrepancy between the relevant action log (deletion, block, or protection log) and the archives of the relevant administration service page, and this is a minimum standard of evidence admitted in such a tribunal.

Misconduct is primarily related to specific Administrator Services, not standards of behavior. As such, situations including verbal attacks by sysops, while frowned upon, do not constitute misconduct. Sysops on a wiki are in theory supposed to have no more authority than a regular user - they merely have a greater scope of power. Personality conflicts between sysops and regular users should be treated just as a personality conflict between two regular users. If, in the course of such a conflict, a sysop abuses their administrative powers by banning a user, blocking or deleting a page without due process, that is misconduct, and should be reported to this page.

There is, however, an exception to this rule - excessive bullying, or attempts to treat the status of sysop as a badge of authority to force a sysop's wishes on the wiki may also come under misconduct. Any accusations of this should come with just as clear evidence, and for such an action to be declared misconduct, there should be a clear pattern of behavior across a considerable period of time.

All discussion of misconduct should occur on this page, not the talk page - any discussion on the talk page will be merged into this page once discovered. Once a misconduct case has been declared closed, a member of the sysop team will mete out the punishment (if deemed necessary), and then move the case to the Archive.

Administrative Abilities

For future reference, the following are sysop specific abilities (ie things that sysops can do that regular users cannot):

• Deletion (ie complete removal, as opposed to blanking) of pages (including Images and any other page-like construct on this wiki), through the delete tab on the top of any deletable construct.
• Undeletion (ie returning a page, complete with page history) of pages (including any other page-like construct on this wiki (Images are not included as deletion of an image is not undoable), through the undelete tab on the top of any undeletable construct
• Protection of pages (ie removing the ability of regular users to edit or move a particular page), through the protect tab on the top of any protectable construct.
• Moving of pages (ie changing a page complete with the page's history to a different namespace).
• Warning users reported in Vandal Banning.
• Banning of Users (ie removing the ability of a specific user to edit the wiki), through the Block User page.
• Editing of Protected pages by any means.
• Research IP activity using the CheckUser extension.
• (Bureaucrats Only) Promotion (providing the above abilities) of User to Sysop/Bureaucrat status.

If none of the above abilities were abused and the case doesn't apply for the exception mentioned above, then this is a case for UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration or UDWiki:Administration/Vandal Banning.

Example of Misconduct Proceedings

Sysop seems to have deleted Bad Page, but I can't find it in the Archives of either the Deletion or Speedy Deletion pages. The Logs show a deletion at 18:06, October 24th 2005 by a System Operator, but this does not seem to be backed up by a request for that deletion. I would like to know why this is the case -- Reporter 13:42, 28 Oct 2005 (BST)

The deletion was asked through my talk page. I give my Talk page as proof of this. -- Sysop 13:42, 28 Oct 2005 (BST)

You know the rules, Sysop. All deletion requests have to go through the Speedy Delete page. Next time, please inform the user where they should lodge the request. This is a clear violation, will you accept a one-day ban as punishment? -- Sysop2 13:42, 28 Oct 2005 (BST)

I'm not liking it, but I clearly broke the rules, I'll accept the ban. I'll certainly remember due process next time... Sysop 13:42, 28 Oct 2005 (BST)

As punishment for failing to follow due process, Sysop has been banned for a period of 24 hours. This will be moved to the Archive shortly. -- Sysop2 13:42, 28 Oct 2005 (BST)

Before Reporting Misconduct

Due to a the growing number of Non-Misconduct cases popping up on this page the Administration Staff has decided to compile a basic summary of what has been viewed as Not Misconduct in the past. Please read over UDWiki:Misconduct and make sure that what you are reporting is in fact misconduct before filing a report here.

Cases made to further personal disputes should never be made here, harassment of any user through administration pages may result in vandal escalations. Despite their unique status this basic protection does still apply to Sysops.

Misconduct Cases Currently Under Consideration

User:Boxy

For removing the majority of the groups from the historical page as seen here. The groups in question are old, historical groups that shaped the early history of the game and have disbanded. Iscariot, being the noob that he is, requested them to be taken down because instead of reading on what makes them historical he did what every idiot does; he ignored it. Boxy, being the worst sysop on the wiki, listened to Iscariot and removed the groups because "they weren't voted on", despite the historical group category existing prior to the rule forcing a vote. These groups were historical for years before someone decided to make it a vote worthy category, meaning anyone who remembered the groups is gone and the majority of the people are new, and thus never heard of them. This is as retarded as someone saying ancient history should be removed from textbooks because no one was around to witness it. Boxy, abused his powers as a sysop to remove groups from historical status. --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS I jizzed in my pants pr0n} 04:53, 9 June 2009 (BST)

I was only following the policy that you voted on, Sonny. As it says on the policy page, "all groups currently within the category will remain as long as they have a historical significance section added within a month of the passing of this policy", and I was fairly generous in my interpretation of a historical section too. As long as I could find something on the page referring to their place in UD history, I left them there -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 06:19 9 June 2009 (BST)

You can't add a historical section to a group when its locked and when the group leaders are no longer active. You know as well as anyone we cannot get the original group members back. You ignored logic and what is right for the wiki. --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS I jizzed in my pants pr0n} 06:21, 9 June 2009 (BST)

You ignored logic and what is right for the wiki. . This sums it up nicely. Misconduct. There is no way that Iscariot's list can be considered good faith and acting on obvious vandalism is Misconduct. You edited a protected page and that is a sysop ability.--– Nubis ^NWO 13:18, 9 June 2009 (BST)

I will be rolling back all of those edits pending the outcome of this misconduct case. These groups were considered Historical before there was even a Historical policy for the most part, and it is ridiculous that you caved to Iscariots BS and edited locked group pages that existed before he even started playing UD. I have been accused of poor judgment in the past but these edits deserve an explicative that "bullshit" just doesn't cover. You should have at the very least contacted other sysops before pulling this. Conndraka^{mod TAZM CFT} 06:58, 9 June 2009 (BST)

to add, most of the groups in question were originally determined to be Historical in 2006 and protected by Max. The remaining were done in Jan or June of '08. The decisions were made then and once made should not have been undone...this is History we are talking about. And The Undying Scourge Not Historical? Come on. Conndraka^{mod TAZM CFT} 07:16, 9 June 2009 (BST)

If you were aware of such things (which you usually aren't), you could have made your opinion clear on the case at hand, it was open for 2 days and still discussed after the action, i believe D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 07:20, 9 June 2009 (BST)

i am not surprised that iscariot asked for these groups to be removed, but i am rather surprised that boxy agreed with it. Some of the groups removed are older than myself and many other old dinosaurs of this wiki, and you think newbies like iscariot have what it takes to decide their historical importance ? yeah right --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[talk] [wcdz]} 16:54, 9 June 2009 (BST)

Fuck off with that shit. Being here for a long time does not grant you any special powers of the mind, as can be plainly seen. You do not have the right to be arrogant about the time you have been here because you being here is a bad thing. If anything you should be apologising. --Cyberbob 18:50, 9 June 2009 (BST)

Those're still some goddamn historical groups though I do agree with otherbob that I missed the sarcasm or something haha. --Bob Boberton ^{TF / DW} 18:55, 9 June 2009 (BST)

We all know that if those groups were put up to vote again they'd lose because of newfags like Iscariot not knowing how to read or care. Mall Tour was put up for historical event and lost because people weren't around to witness it. Being around longer means you know the shit first hand. It puts you in a better position than someone new who doesn't know shit. Iscariot doesn't know shit and boxy followed Iscariot's demands to remove groups he didn't care about. --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS I jizzed in my pants pr0n} 19:16, 9 June 2009 (BST)

Oh no I'm not disagreeing with you there; I'm just saying that in hagnat's particular case he might not want to go around flaunting his longevity on this site so much because people might start demanding reparations. --Cyberbob 19:22, 9 June 2009 (BST)

Because hagnat was a negro-slave owner?... o_O --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS I jizzed in my pants pr0n} 19:27, 9 June 2009 (BST)

Lies. Only my grandad had a few of them, and i barely had a chance to abuse them! --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[talk] [wcdz]} 19:48, 9 June 2009 (BST)

You abused my family thoroughly though. I guess it doesn't count because we're Polish huh? Fuck you racist bitches. :) --Mr. Angel, Help needed? 19:50, 9 June 2009 (BST)

Well I have been her almost as long as Hagnat (or indeed pretty much anyone else who has been active for longer than can be healthy) and I don't recognize most of those groups so i don't really think you can blame newer users for wondering what the big deal is. That said there are enough old timers about who were here that a justification for Historic Status could easily be made for the more obvious cases (none of which Boxy deleted) --Honestmistake 00:17, 10 June 2009 (BST)

But if a groups historical, it's historical. We shouldn't have to question them being there and re-validate them. Voting them in solved that issue and it only seems right that the rest were grandfathered in.--SirArgo ^Talk 00:21, 10 June 2009 (BST)

really? So "on strike" part 2 deserve historic status even though it was never a group? Axes High... sure, a few of the others maybe but frankly some of those got on the list to massage egos and made it only because no one got to vote at the time! --Honestmistake 00:49, 10 June 2009 (BST)

Comprehensive list with evidence or shut up. :P --Mr. Angel, Help needed? 00:55, 10 June 2009 (BST)

Good point, comprehensive list including evidence of why these groups should be considered "historical" please... that should sort this out! --Honestmistake 00:57, 10 June 2009 (BST)

1. I asked you first
2. Many old users would agree that many of the ones Boxy removed were historical.
3. You have the advantage because said users rarely are findable.
4. They were left in because of reasons 2&3. Why do we change it now?
5. Because one user is a whiny cunt who would throw a tantrum.

There you go. Best I can do right now. Busy.--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 01:02, 10 June 2009 (BST)

Your ignorance, HonestMistake, is no excuse. Because you were a noob at the time of those groups' retirements doesn't make them unimportant. You seem to remember Slaves of the Mistress but do not remember the Undying Scourge or the Shambling Seagulls? The Many was the first major horde at the time and was unbeatable until the PA Rebel Alliance. This happened early in the game's history, September 2005 if I'm correct. But we remember Mall Tour and how they lost at Caiger so the Caiger Mall Survivors are remembered. Every group save for the Iron Cross Brothers deserves to be historical. And I say the ICB doesn't deserve it because there were several groups of that name at that time and the only reason people knew about them was one group were neo-Nazis and the other were fighting them in Creedy. History is history for a reason. If newer people know about it right away then it isn't history. History isn't something that you experience after it happens. It happened and it's documented. --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS I jizzed in my pants pr0n} 01:15, 10 June 2009 (BST)

Not trying to start a fight but really, of the 19 demoted/deleted groups i know of 1 and have vaguely heard of (at most) 3 more. On the other hand i have heard of at least 5 of the 8 that Boxy left alone. Being here for so long does not give me, you or anyone else special privileges and those groups that are there without community recognition should be listed as such... not deleted or moved but clearly marked as having been added before any real scrutiny was mandated. I always understood that Historical Status was only awarded to those groups that had significant impact on the development of the game. "Back on Strike" were not even a real group and most of the others were probably important only in certain locations. I am not arguing for their removal.... merely a decent explaination of what it was exactly that made them worthy of being declared historical in the first place.... without that being present I think Boxy was not being unreasonable to remove their status tag.--Honestmistake 01:24, 10 June 2009 (BST)

Plain and simple, Honest...They were made Historical (most of them in 2006) Whatever determination was used at the time is valid (Despite what Iscariot might have to say about it.) What was done should not be undone espescially when it comes to "History" I hate revisionists and find this as bad an edit as going into the archive pages and deleting articles only found on pages not watched anymore. And you cant argue the WHY, because MOST of the people that decided the WHY are long gone. By the way..If I'm not clear on my stance...Misconduct.Conndraka^{mod TAZM CFT} 01:32, 10 June 2009 (BST)

But you admit, this is only in your eyes, with your knowledge. No one else, save for Boxy, seems to be in such a fuss to go back and remove Historical Groups. If we go back and second guess everything done, nothing of real value will be gotten and people will just wind up angry.--SirArgo ^Talk 01:33, 10 June 2009 (BST)

Dont blame the groups if you dont know their history and importance. The Red-Eye Republic and The Undying Scourge were the RRF of their time. When i joined the game, they were there and i was shitting my pants trying to avoid getting my harman killed by them (ah, the good ol' times when you are a newbie in a new game). The PennyArcade Alliance was dissolved long before i joined in, iirc, yet i heard lots of people talking about 'em with spraypaint all over the city. The gingerbread man was one of the first groups to ever defy the RRF in its homeland, and a great opponent for several months. Axes High was heavily active in Barhahville, defending it from the RRF. The Apocalypse Horde and the Mistress (aka MrAushvitz) was another large horde that laid waste to several burbs. To be honest, the only group that might have earned a demotion is the Back on Strike, since such event never actually took place. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[talk] [wcdz]} 02:31, 10 June 2009 (BST)

Please go and list all those that you add to historic here so that we have a comprehensive list of groups that legitimately have the template added in the future -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 02:20 10 June 2009 (BST)

Done and Done Conndraka^{mod TAZM CFT} 02:46, 10 June 2009 (BST)

Neither Axes High/Historic nor The Gingerbread Men were historic before the policy was made. Axes High are still active, and The Gingerbread Men were at the time they were voted on and asked for it to be unprotected and they obviously removed the template -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 02:20 10 June 2009 (BST)

And here comes the fun part where I point out you were caught not reading. Axes High was disbanded. Then a user who was not a leader of the original group decided to bring it back and move it into the DEM. It is not the same group in the way the New CoL is not the Original CoL. The member who asked for the Gingerbread Men was not the leader but probably only one member since after that unprotection nothing became of the group. Von Luthius aka Ram Rock Ed, the leader, did not request nor did he participate in the group after it was unprotected. Both of these groups had disbanded at the time but never applied for historic status because all members buggered off an left. When people from the groups came back it was at a much later time, thus the reason why they were added later than the rest. --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS I jizzed in my pants pr0n} 02:29, 10 June 2009 (BST)

Sonny, (and anyone else) can you double check the list here and tell me if I failed to "*" any group? Seems like DARIS reformed at some point but I can't recall. Conndraka^{mod TAZM CFT} 02:46, 10 June 2009 (BST)

DARIS (disambiguation), but they're fairly clearly not a continuation. Also the Shambling Seagulls became active again -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 03:34 10 June 2009 (BST)

Also Paradox/Paradox (2006) -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 03:42 10 June 2009 (BST)

DARIS did not reform. That was just the PKA's attempt to rip off their name to gain support. Katthew came back and denied DARIS' involvement. The Seagulls did not become active again, only certain members, not the whole group. Becoming active again later by a few members does not make them unhistorical. Paradox is a very, very large forum. When the original group croaked members of the forum decided to restart it much later on. This would be like saying The Many were active again because The Dead were SomethingAwful members. --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS I jizzed in my pants pr0n} 04:18, 10 June 2009 (BST)

If you shitheads running the wiki had actually listened to us when this new fucking DARIS made their page and let us protect our name then you wouldn't have this issue at all. But the fact that any asshat can come here and say I'm starting a group named WHATEVER 2.0' and no one says You can't use that name that is why you get these knock off groups. The worst part is that the Dead will probably never get the historic status they deserve because since it is such a large group it will never be without more than 10 members and thus off the stats page. (which seems to be a requirement to be considered as historic). If it was put to a vote, I doubt that the new users on here would vote them in since they only vote on their limited experience of UD. -- #99 ^DCC 14:19, 10 June 2009 (BST)

I believe there is a precedence that came about recently, where the '10 active users' clause became null because the leaders formally announced that the group in question was in fact defunct. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 14:25, 10 June 2009 (BST)

Recent example is /zom/. Got historical even with 20 members orso active on the stats page.--Thadeous Oakley 18:33, 10 June 2009 (BST)

I would support the Deads listing as a historical group even if they do still have lots of active users, hell their mass influx to the game turned everything upside down for a good long while and should probably be listed as a historic event in and of itself! --Honestmistake 23:02, 10 June 2009 (BST)

Can this discussion about who and who shouldn't be historical move to the talk page so this page doesn't get flooded with this? An official ruling still needs to be made anyway.--SirArgo ^Talk 00:04, 11 June 2009 (BST)

You can't discuss anything on the talk page of misconduct. All discussion must be on the main page. --– Nubis ^NWO 20:46, 11 June 2009 (BST)

Alright. That doesn't make a ton of sense though, but whatever.--SirArgo ^Talk 21:04, 11 June 2009 (BST)

Wait, you're complaining it doesn't make sense? Look at what wiki you're on pal. This whole place doesn't make sense half the time. :/ --Mr. Angel, Help needed? 21:06, 11 June 2009 (BST)

Damn straight, unfortunately.--SirArgo ^Talk 21:10, 11 June 2009 (BST)

Yes. Which is why you should demote so that things can be fixed. --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS I jizzed in my pants pr0n} 21:12, 11 June 2009 (BST)

Yes, SirArgo is right, can you stop banging on about what you care about Honest? Add something constructive or don't bother being here. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 03:35, 11 June 2009 (BST)

Even though Sonny's attempt above to define history as something fixed and absolute is laughable -- and his typical hysterical frothing is, well, typical Sonny-ness -- he's nonetheless correct in being outraged over this. Come on boxy, even I know the majority of those groups, and I'm a newfag. And even if there is debate about the historicity of some of them, your reclassification circumvented policy and procedure with no justifiable reason -- and even less community input. It's even more unbelievable that you did it at Iscariot's urging -- as if Iscariot has the best interests of the wiki at heart..... --WanYao 05:13, 10 June 2009 (BST)

You're a newfag who's upset because I troll you on IRC. gobak2buthurt --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS I jizzed in my pants pr0n} 21:23, 10 June 2009 (BST)

you flatter yourself to think that. really you do. oh, you're certainly noticed on IRC, sonny.... but not in the way you believe. --WanYao 23:55, 10 June 2009 (BST)

You're an idiot. Enjoy your stupid. --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS I jizzed in my pants pr0n} 01:06, 11 June 2009 (BST)

The groups shouldn't have been removed, this was a long past decided issue that has been addressed multiple times not the least recent of which was when I went through and locked all those pages as in accordance with the policy. Common sense does not go out the door because a rules lawyer won't shut up and it is a sysops job to work within the confines of common sense not the letter of the policy.--Karek^maps?! 01:57, 11 June 2009 (BST)

It should have been documented somewhere in the Historic Voting system then, eh. But meh, it's done now, so let's hand out a punishment, move on, and get over it already -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 02:07 11 June 2009 (BST)

Misconduct, and I think a warning will suffice. Or a horribly painful demotion. ;) --Mr. Angel, Help needed? 02:28, 11 June 2009 (BST)

I am partial to the latter suggestion. Nubis and Conndraka, would you support this too? --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS I jizzed in my pants pr0n} 02:48, 11 June 2009 (BST)

It was a joke and we all know it. :P. But seriously, sonny, did you ban me from IRC?--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 02:51, 11 June 2009 (BST)

No. It was Revenant. Also, stop joking. This is seris bisnes --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS I jizzed in my pants pr0n} 03:07, 11 June 2009 (BST)

I fucking love how not one of the #udwiki admins is actually a sysop. --Cyberbob 05:34, 11 June 2009 (BST)

Technically I won when I ran for sysop because most of the Against votes were sockpuppets of DEM members. --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS I jizzed in my pants pr0n} 05:38, 11 June 2009 (BST)

Not a vote-- Adward  20:32, 11 June 2009 (BST)

Well, most of the #udwiki admins and users WERE sysops at a time. But grim got demoted, i asked for my demotion, swiers stopped joining in and so did thari... i am not sure about Karek, but last time i was actively joining in the channel he was always there. So, there you go, we used to had plenty of sysops active in the channel. Its not our fault that the current team doesnt show there. So shush about it. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[talk] [wcdz]} 00:27, 12 June 2009 (BST)

User:Nubis

Again, for being premature. More accurately, he deleted his misconduct case which had barely even started. That amounts to ruling on his own case. --Midianian^{¦T¦DS¦SP¦} 16:54, 4 June 2009 (BST)

To be fair, Jed really hsould have actually brought something to his case.--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 16:59, 4 June 2009 (BST)

Oh, hey J3D and Midianian making cases against me while Iscariot is gone. Color me surprised. --– Nubis ^NWO 17:05, 4 June 2009 (BST)

Still, it should never be up to the accused to decide whether a case is valid or not. --Midianian^{¦T¦DS¦SP¦} 17:15, 4 June 2009 (BST)

Issuing a ban on such an obviously contentious case when only 3 or 4 Sysops have voted was obviously not a wise move, Iscariot already has a persecution complex so why feed it? Still, I am not convinced that I would call it misconduct per say... just bloody minded and stupid. However, I gotta say that deleting any ongoing misconduct case out of personal feeling is going to far, especially when it is a case against him. At the very least it looks like Vandalism (I am allowed to bold that one aren't I?) and I am pretty sure Sysops have been misconducted for ruling their own cases in the past which would pretty much count here too. --Honestmistake 19:48, 4 June 2009 (BST)

Indeed. Except he issued a ban when no one had voted. He ruled solely on the case. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 13:54, 5 June 2009 (BST)

Well, SA had voted and I had voted and the guidelines do say that a sysop can post and ban on the same person as long as a case is posted, but hey, you keep holding on to that NO ONE RULED YET! line. --– Nubis ^NWO 10:14, 6 June 2009 (BST)

You both voted for the permaban, you tard. Perhaps you should have just prematurely perma'd him instead, if you feel so inclined to stand by that mentality. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 07:24, 7 June 2009 (BST)

Misconduct - he was indeed ruling on his own case. He marked his edit as minor, and in the edit summary said "m (→Misconduct Cases Currently Under Consideration - Case has no links, does not involve a sysop power)". He ruled that the case didn't involve sysop powers, and removed it from the page, something that only sysops are authorised to finalise. I also note that DDR had already added the relevant links to the case at the time of removal, even if J3D hadn't in the first post -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 01:50 5 June 2009 (BST)

So, my removing a non-sysop case then MADE it a sysop case? (my edits are by default minor, boxy. It's a setting in my Prefs. because of all the unmerging/category editing I did. But that is such! a good justification.) --– Nubis ^NWO 10:14, 6 June 2009 (BST)

Misconduct - As the Box. Even if you don't like the case, just wait until it's been dealt with rather than trying to pre-empt a final ruling. Which you have done in the past if I recall correctly. -- Cheese 08:32, 5 June 2009 (BST)

You mean against the other bullshit cases that J3D and them made against me because of a vendetta? Yes, there is clearly no pattern here. --– Nubis ^NWO 10:14, 6 June 2009 (BST)

Misconduct Knowing Nubis I don't believe he broke the line of information keeping on purpose, but I think he did break procedure enough to qualify as minor misconduct. Conndraka^{mod TAZM CFT} 01:16, 6 June 2009 (BST)

Misconduct--Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 17:23, 6 June 2009 (BST)

As there has been a lack of discussion on this case for multiple days with plenty of time for others to rule in, I'm calling this Misconduct. Since there has been no discussion of a punishment, I believe a warning should suffice and am adding it to A/VD now.--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 17:11, 10 June 2009 (BST)

User:Nubis

For being premature.--xoxo 09:24, 4 June 2009 (BST)

You were premature. --Cyberbob 09:31, 4 June 2009 (BST)

That's what she said. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 10:04, 4 June 2009 (BST)

When I saw this I considered just pasting my original misconduct case up, but I've decided to keep it simple for now. I will not be ruling in this case because of my involvement, as well as the suspicious circumstances in which J3D brought the case up instead of me (which while circumstantial, doesn't change how it looks).

Whilst Nubis has the right to rule singly on a case, there is no reason why he had to do so on this case specifically, especially given its importance. He deliberately acted before any other sysop could even log on to add their opinions onto the VB case. The only reason Nubis would do this would be to prohibit Iscariot from defending his own permaban vote. I think the latter part is bad faith and incredibly poor form, especially at the point where Nubis rushes to gather the sysops onto the VB page to vote for Iscariot's permaban, straight after his banning. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 10:04, 4 June 2009 (BST)

Accusation and evidence in link form, please. --Midianian^{¦T¦DS¦SP¦} 10:29, 4 June 2009 (BST)

From the below Misconduct case:

While now, all the sysops have gone onto the case and expressed their opinions on the permaban vote, which means they have read the case to some extent, and not ruled. For that, you may say that you ruling is no longer out of line. But you banned Iscariot based off your one ruling. You waited one day, no sysops had even had the chance to log on and read it, let alone rule, besides you and myself. We had a large enough discussion between just You, SA and myself, in that very case, and all were waiting for the other sysops to give their views on the permaban, but you cut it all short in order to rule vandalism, ban Iscariot so he could not contribute to the case, and push the vote onto the other sysops, before they had even read the case and gather and understanding for what is going on.

Because of the above, I had deemed the abnormally fast ruling on the A/VB case a bad-faith attempt at prohibiting Iscariot from being able to defend his perma-ban vote, and for that I am disheartened that I am here instead of Nubis, but that isn't relevant at this point... I could have easily beat the system by ruling Not Vandalism, but I didn't because I really thought Nubis was better than this.

D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 10:55, 4 June 2009 (BST)

I guess it might be an interesting note that Nubis only notified the sysops who he thought would vote yes (and eventually did). His wording suggested it was a regulatory Sysop vote to permaban a user [1][2], though despite this, he didn't notify anyone who he thought would say no, by the looks of it. I know it is circumstantial at best, but I found it worth noting because in my opinion it further questions Nubis' good faith. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 10:55, 4 June 2009 (BST)

I noticed that too. But by the wording of his comment posted on SA's page "Please inform the sysop team that a vote has been called on perma-banning a user." it looks like he may have expected SA to inform the rest of us. However, the fact that he informed Conn (someone who was quite likely to vote perma) and not anyone else is quite suspicious. Linkthewindow  Talk  12:14, 4 June 2009 (BST)

However, assuming good faith, Nubis may have had to run, or had to leave his computer suddenly (that said, it's Boxy, not Conn, that's on top of the list of sysops. Linkthewindow  Talk  12:19, 4 June 2009 (BST)

Or how about I knew that Conn is one of the few sysops that actually has the fucking balls to make a decision one way or the other instead of whine and say something retarded like "put it up to a community vote"? Conn and I are not friends for all I know he could vote No just to piss me off. --– Nubis ^NWO 17:03, 4 June 2009 (BST)

Leave it here until it's sorted out Nubis.--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 16:42, 4 June 2009 (BST)

Hey, Nubis didn't have any links of my actions in my case below, either. Maybe I should just delete mine too! D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 16:45, 4 June 2009 (BST)

This is not a misconduct case because there is no sysop power involved. I did have a link in your case, DDR. I also had a reason why I brought the case up. And not to mention, it's something you did wrong. But please, amuse me more with your quips and one liners. Also, please continue to add insightful contributions to this case That's what she said. User:DanceDanceRevolution 10:04, 4 June 2009 (BST) as it helps add to the air that this is indeed a legitimate case and not just something petty. --– Nubis ^NWO 17:03, 4 June 2009 (BST)

Sorry, maybe I should have added poor sarcasm. I have no interest in establishing petty relationships of a vicious nature, Nubis. This is actually a product of my whole-hearted belief that what you did was wrong, and I added as much as I could to this case to make it as if I brought it forward myself. And regardless of the case, you have no right to just trash it, especially since this case is exactly related to that tendancy of yours. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 17:12, 4 June 2009 (BST)

But you didn't make this case. And you didn't treat it seriously at all. And even your comment above is snide and sarcastic, but I love how you are trying to take the high road and say you don't want to be "petty". You are just a little troll that did some good deeds and got Ops. You are not this fair and unbiased moderator that you want to come across as. The only one this wiki has had was Karek. --– Nubis ^NWO 10:21, 6 June 2009 (BST)

Perhaps you and your paranoia complex is telling you that I am the new troll on the block, joining the J3D and Mid 'vendetta' in order to unfairly persecute you, but in truth it is so much more simple- I consider your behavior in the last week to be out of line. I never claimed to be unbiased in any way. I just explained that this is not personal, Nubis, I don't think you are a bad sysop but I can't agree with these actions- as you didn't when you put me to misconduct. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 07:41, 7 June 2009 (BST)

Not Misconduct On this case I still have reasonable belief that Nubis was acting in reasonable good faith here. Maybe not the way he should have acted but not quite close enough for me to vote misconduct. Conndraka^{mod TAZM CFT} 01:12, 6 June 2009 (BST)

Not Misconduct--Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 17:23, 6 June 2009 (BST)

Not misconduct, because a ban is overturn-able if the next sysops disagrees with the punishment. While I do not agree with his later reinstatement of the ban, his original banning was not misconduct in itself. That said, his other cases may be ruled as seen fit.--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 16:59, 10 June 2009 (BST)