Suggestion:20080623 An unarmed soldier?

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20080623 An unarmed soldier?

Jon Pyre 20:53, 23 June 2008 (BST)

Suggestion type
Balance change

Suggestion scope
Scout class

Suggestion description
Scouts start with just a flare gun and binoculars. That flare gun isn't much of a weapon, it's a signaling device. It doesn't seem realistic that the army would let loose a soldier without a real method of self defense.

It'd be something that'd allow a scout to spend a long time exploring without any need to restock on supplies. A knife makes sense. Compact, light, doesn't need ammo.

I suggest that scouts start off with a knife in addition to the flare and binoculars. This wouldn't overpower the class - even with the knife they'd still be far less effective fighters and xp earners than firemen.

Voting Section

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Keep Votes

1. Keep - I thought you were talking about a gun, but a knife sounds ok. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 20:56, 23 June 2008 (BST)
2. Keep - seems OK. --Sir Bob Fortune ^RR 20:58, 23 June 2008 (BST)
3. Keep --Secruss^|Yak|Brahnz!|CGR|PKA||EMLN|Templates|RRF|RFTM|Crap|WHOZ||MU|GN|C2008||21:31, 23 June 2008 (BST)
4. Keep It makes sence that a soldier has some kind of weapon. --Officer Dick Trickle 22:19, 23 June 2008 (BST)
5. Keep - Perfect, wow karek knifes are the most useless newbie weapon you say? Rubbish. --Pvt human 23:15, 23 June 2008 (BST)
6. Scouts usually are armed in case they get into some sort of trouble... --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 00:15, 24 June 2008 (BST)
7. Keep - yeah...--Corndoghero^T-S-Z 00:46, 24 June 2008 (BST)
8. Keep - A knife doesn't exactly make a scout a powerhouse, though I seriously think a scout should have a radio or cell phone or something which gives him/her an idea of what's going on elsewhere/communication with other scouts and HQ. Mainly voting keep because any soldier should have some sort of weapon. The flare isn't a viable weapon until you have firearms training. --Tselita 02:52, 24 June 2008 (BST)
9. Keep - I can see why people would think this is a bad idea but, being a soldier they should have some kind of weapon. I think they should get a gun when they start but hey that's just what I think. In fact I think all classes should now start with a gun, it's be what how long since the "outbreak." Where was your character when it all started hiding in a box for 4 years. By now everyone should have a gun.--Jamie Cantwel3 ^TalkAll glory to the Hypnotoad! 03:55, 24 June 2008 (BST)
10. Keep - kind of boring after you fire the flare. --Pdeq^Talk* 06:24, 24 June 2008 (BST)
11. Keep - To be honest, I really like the idea. DanceDanceRevolution 09:51, 24 June 2008 (BST)
12. keep - Scouts should have a flare, a knife, a radio, binocs and maybe a cell phone --Frednotyetdead 13:35, 24 June 2008 (BST)
13. Keep - --Nitro378 ^{T JNL} 17:51, 24 June 2008 (BST)
14. Keep - I support Scouts. --Heretic144 19:15, 24 June 2008 (BST)

Kill Votes

1. Kill - Two things, 1)Scouts don't need weapons, they scout, flares on the other hand. . . 2) Flare guns are more useful unskilled than any other weapon in the game, Scouts are unskilled, so for flavor reasons you're going to give them a worse starting item? And even then, Knives are useless to low level players, especially scouts who are meant to rely on movement, not combat, it would make more sense to give them a DNA Extractor, except they can't use it at level 1, much like they can't use a knife at level 1 because of variance, it's a joke.--Karek^maps?! 21:04, 23 June 2008 (BST)
   • Re The flare is a one use item that starts with 2.5% accuracy. A knife is a great newbie weapon for those without combat skills, starting with 20% base accuracy and dealing 2 damage. Sure scouts are based around movement, but they have to level up too. --Jon Pyre 21:30, 23 June 2008 (BST)
     • Re I see the point was lost on you. That's not how they should be leveling, not every class should shoot straight for the combat tree and this suggestion considers it a given that they should.--Karek^maps?! 21:36, 23 June 2008 (BST)
2. Kill - There is an answer to the poor, put-upon scout's dilemma: it's called spending a few AP searching for a better weapon.--Jiangyingzi 00:09, 24 June 2008 (BST)
3. Kill - Scouts are fine. Also, not all classes are meant to be easy, see consumer.  Billy Club Thorton  T!  RR  00:42, 24 June 2008 (BST)
4. Kill - As everyone above me. Except for karek's comments about knives in unskilled hands, which i don't agree with. --WanYao 01:07, 24 June 2008 (BST)
5. Scouts have the benefit of Free Running which allows them to find better weapons easier then some other classes. And Karek, the knife is THE newbie weapon. That is why it starts at 20% to hit.--Pesatyel 05:56, 24 June 2008 (BST)
6. Kill - As all above. They have free running and are thematically supposed to scout out areas and recover. They are not intended to engage in combat, thus giving them a weapon in thier limited crap allotment is thematically innacurate. In a realistic world, a soldier would be dropped into a combat zone with a pistol, a dozen or so reloads, body armour, and medical supplies, but they arent in UD, in the same way scouts start with stuff all and have to search some stuff out (Something they are uniquely suited to in the early game) --The Grimch ^{U! E! WAT!} 08:19, 24 June 2008 (BST)
7. Kill As the above votes that mention free running. It is one of the most vital skills for a survivor and they start with it. Are you going to suggest that they also start with a radio transmitter and generator to provide recon?--– Nubis ^NWO 09:18, 24 June 2008 (BST)
8. Kill - Survivors don't really need a boost right now. Also, the idea of a zed spy with a knife terrifies me to the core of my being. --Vandurn 14:15, 24 June 2008 (BST)
9. Kill- Because I accept that Scouts and Consumers Should be Challenge levelers with terrible weapons.--Nny The Person 22:41, 24 June 2008 (BST)
10. Weak kill- Free running. --BoboTalkClown 22:28, 24 June 2008 (BST)

Spam/Dupe Votes

1. Spam - Purlease. People only create scouts for disposable scouting. No one intends of actually 'defending themselves' or leveling up.--xoxo 09:21, 24 June 2008 (BST)
2. Dupe - this suggestion is already a part (see the second table) of the Peer Reviewed suggestion Starting Equipment --Funt Solo ^QT 17:14, 24 June 2008 (BST)
3. Dupe - I like this. But Funt's dupe link I like more. -- Cheese 17:24, 24 June 2008 (BST)
4. dupe - not a bad idea though --Scotw 20:04, 24 June 2008 (BST)

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