Talk:Dartside/Archive

Dartside Talk Page Archive --Turner Calton 20:30, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Removed Discussion

A Discussion removed at request of Seryna --Turner Calton 23:44, 29 August 2007 (BST)

notice to page controller

Notice to person who controls dartside page...in connection with ra member evil kitty and turner who posted it that post was to be deleted from all locations. This had already been taken up with a moderator. Thank you. -Sindy Saint 02:35, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

UGC

Hey guys I noticed another group in town called the UGC. Does anyone know who they are? (No wiki) And hey if your a UGC member reading this drop a line and say hi. --Evl kitty 18:32, 31 May 2007 (BST)

Notice for all Dartside Residents

This text was seen on this user's (Sindy Saint) wiki page:

New goals

1.)RUS and Sindy in "Murals Across Dartside!"

2.)Power Outage 2007

3.)Bringing The House Down!

From the "plans" I think it is safe to state the following:

1) Involves RUS and Sindy performing grafiti and tagging around Dartside.

2) Involves RUS and Sindy destroying generators.

3) Probably refers to RUS and Sindy tearing down cades and barriers we have set up.

--Mallydobb 06:14, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Editing the Main Page

What I really don't like is the fact that one person monopolized the rights to edit the main page. He edits the page deleting what other people wrote and decides what is good and what is not although I doubt anyone granted him such authorities. The Dartside page does not belong to a single person, but rather to all people who play the game and reside in this suburb. --JohnRubin 19:56, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

• I would agree that it is bad form to remove and edit (unless it is cleaning up with a note that says such) from community pages. To be honest I haven't looked into it and aren't certain which entries are in dispute (so I can claim ignorance to a degree). This is not a good behavior to start. I think SOMEBODY should repent ;) --Mallydobb 20:56, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

• John, I agree a 100%. I can tell you with certainty that no RA member would do such a thing. You are correct no one has given him authority to do so. The Dartside page belongs to all. I will personally leave a message on his page to please stop doing that.--John Blast 15:22, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Barricade Plan Discussion

It seems there is no UBP for Dartside yet. Perhaps it's time an official UBP be planned out? What do you think? --Wan2tri 04:22, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

No, not really. As a long time Dartside resident, I can tell you that trying to get a uniform barricading policy would only aggravate the iconoclastic locals. I mean, offical to who? The Regulators, the Wanderers, The Lockettside Boys, me? --Queen Mum 08:52, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually it would make sense, but Queen has a point. Also, right now that simply isn't possible due to the Undeadfer's attempts at taking over Dartside, we've found that if all the buildings are barricaded with the survivors inside it greatly reduces them eating us. If and when the time comes, that Dartside is again peaceful such a plan maybe implemented. Though, in all fairness we would probably defer to Aleister for a tactical plan for maintaining a secure burb.--John Blast 04:44, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I consider a UBP for Dartside specifically to be overly rigid, unadaptable and unmaintainable without stepping on a wide variety of toes. First, a UBP does not adapt to immediate circumstance, its very nature prevents it from doing so. We have had more success, in peaceful times, letting natural entrances develop where they are needed.

Secondly, we have a lot of strong personalities in the district that make up the survivor population. From Father Joe to The Regulators, the NTCS to local weirdos like myself, we agree to work together as best we can. Part of that involves granting each other autonomy. We can all make requests, we can ask and cajole, but we cannot command those who are not under our command.

Third, not only does it require a lot of tagging (which tends to destroy one of the few creative marks that can be left in Malton), but you would need a squad of bullyboys who had nothing better to do than wander around barricading, unbarricading, tagging and chewing people out for not adhereing to some master plan. If not constantly done with respect and courtesy, nothing would piss off some of our more experienced survivors more, which would lead to losing their expertise or having them vandalize in protest.

Lastly, I have never been in a suburb that actually was able to pull a UBP off for long, even with offputting bullyboys. Inevitably, someone overbarricades the sparse entrances, someone knocks down barricades, someone oversprays the tags with dood, u r pwned!, etc.

In short, in times of relative peace, I think we're fine as we are. In times of crisis, as we are at the moment, we need to both be able to adapt and work together. --Queen Mum 13:53, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

I honestly don't understand what the conflict might be for a UBP. IMHO, it would lead to anything BUT the aforementioned squads of bully boys... The whole point of a 'cade plan, if I understand correctly, is that the coexisting survivor groups get together and discuss this stuff; where does each normally operate, what kind of stuff do they do, goals, what are their respective needs, etc. Then, they'd go over what the 'burb is up against, and the various strategic locations, whether strong or weak points. I think the idea is that as survivors you work out how to best defend the burb to avoid just that overbarricading you mentioned. Keep in mind, a UBP is not a set of commandments writ in stone, and brought down from Mount Sinai, it's supposed to be a flexible working plan so everyone generally knows what to do, what needs 'cading, and what to leave accessible. I'd suggest that without a BP, you're more likely to have conflicts with some random goofball bringing block after block up to EHB when the local group has their own system worked out, and with nothing published, passing groups or individuals would never know the barricade levels are wrong. If you want it to be honored, you have to publish it. Tagging will not work-the same sort of careless people are just as likely to just spray over your messages. On that same note, as a MCDU recruit, I'd like to reach out to Tikhon Medical and say "Hello." It would be great if this could be discussed further, either here, or at the Brainstock forums. --Slightly Lions 10:00, 6 August 2007 (BST)

I think Queen Mum is making a great point. I am certainly no expert on BPs, but even good plans fail for two main reasons. 1) They aren't widely supported/communicated to those effected or 2) They are not flexible enough to account for different circumstances. A plan that is not understood and supported at some level does not stand a chance; with or without any amount of enforcement. As I understand it, that is a hallmark of setting up a good Barricade Plan. The residents come together and discuss what is needed, what the goals are, and how it will affect everyone. And I would think a good BP would be flexible enough to allow dedicated survivors to adapt it in when needed.

The established premise is that a well thought-out BP greatly increases survivor odds. This is true for all survivors, not just the newer ones. Why? Because every new survivor that cannot find cover is zed food and winds up coming for our brains. And good BPs help minimize the risk of uneducated survivors dragging zombies back to your safehouse via scent trail, fear, etc.

So experienced survivor or fresh meat; both benefit from a good Barricade Plan. But as Queen Mum and John Blast point out, that can only happen if there is open discussion so it can serve the needs of all, and it is flexible enough to allow experienced survivors to do what is needed when it is needed. Craig Crowley 04:58, 12 August 2007 (BST)

Absolutely right, Craig, and I think that's what Lions is aiming for in bringing this back up. My own personal preference would be to chart what is actually happening on the ground right now -- the "natural entrances" Queen Mum mentioned -- and lay them on the table for examination by all the affected folks, then discuss whether improvements can or even should be made. But the end result should be 1) reached with input from everyone affected, and 2) published as a reference for newbs and newcomers; otherwise, as you said, folks wind up dead.

I think one thing that may have started this conversation off on the wrong foot is the use of the term UBP instead of BP. Certainly, compliance with the UBP could be a secondary goal for some stakeholders. But frankly, I'd prefer to see an accepted and published non-compliant plan over a compliant plan that is neither accepted nor published. -- Atticus Rex ^{mfu pif} Δ 05:26, 12 August 2007 (BST)

I think that any sort of agreement on the BP would be helpful. We're having a situation with NR being cut off from access to FAKs because all of the hospitals are overbarricaded.

I'd like to invite discussion on this proposed plan:

http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y14/fanaticofyou/Brainstock/Dartside/?action=view&current=Dartsidebp.jpg

I've spaced out VS+2 near the edges of the map and on islands to allow easier navigation & entry from the street. With so many clusters of resources, it would be nice to have some of them keyed to entry points.

The PDs are under fierce attack right now which is why I marked most of them as EHB, but that could be changed. ~ Seryna

The hospitals are heavily barricaded due to the large number of walking dead that hit them regularly, I believe. The UndeadFER tend to cycle around the hospitals and PD's in the southeast, then move to the northwest when they're bored. If people could be convinced not to stay in resources buildings overnight, I suspect one or two could be left at VS, but as Tikhon is a favored target, anything less than EHB will just invite deaths in that particular location.

In the west of Dartside, the established entry points are the Curley Building, St. Galls, and the Himbury Hotel. Try to shift those now and you will cause no end of difficulty for the people who have used those routes and buildings for over a year. (For one thing, the Himbury serves as an exit for those using the Coreless Way revive point.)

I would suggest you invite the Regulators Alliance and Tikhon Medical specifically to look over the plan as they are two of the largest resident groups (the Regulators being the longest established thus far in Dartside). --Queen Mum 11:09, 13 August 2007 (BST)

Thats just silly keeping Oswald General Hospital at VS+2. (As is Tikhon and Shapr PD.) It gets broken into enough when its at EHB. Might I say that whomever made up this plan of attack for what building should have what barricade never spent time in the western part of Dartside. Definite NO on the UBP. It won't work. --Elliottmess 15:57, 13 August 2007 (BST)

St Faustina's should be VS+2 instead of the other 2, dono about the western hospitals. Shapr should be VS+2 as is shown but I think the harold hotel should be EHB as we keep our extra radio transmitter in there. Other than that, its more or less fine, unless I missed something. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 18:25, 13 August 2007 (BST) Er, that'd be the Winmill library where we keep the radio in. Harold will probably be fine VS+2.

Ok... I don't really have much more to add, apart from that any attempt to make the Vivian Motel and entry point will be a met with vigourous defence. St Galls, Curley and the Himbury are the established entry points as Queenie has indicated. I agree with Shapr being VSB+2 as when I used to hang in that area it was always the open PD for new players.

The Saints only need to have one of them kept at VSB for new players. Especially if we decide to keep St Ferrols at VSB.

Other then that, *shrugs the others have said it all already. --Turner Calton 21:33, 13 August 2007 (BST)

These are good suggestions... I'd like to see what the plan looks like with those incorporated. I also note that Tikhon Medical has published a partial BP on their own page, which should be incorporated as well. If there's no objection, I'd like to draw that up tonight and post it here for further evaluation. 'S'okay? -- Atticus Rex ^{mfu pif} Δ 00:17, 14 August 2007 (BST) EDIT: Whoops, that plan was for Tikhon West, not Dartside. N/M. -- Atticus Rex ^{mfu pif} Δ 04:20, 14 August 2007 (BST)

Current draft proposal

This combines the proposal linked above with (almost) all the comments that followed. -- Atticus Rex ^{mfu pif} Δ 04:06, 14 August 2007 (BST)

	30	31	32	33	34	35	36	37	38	39
80	Broadway Drive	St. Matthew's Hospital	Pooll Towers	Morliere Avenue Railway Station	Club Chandler	Foyle Alley	Softley Row	Maskell Avenue	Kearney Alley	a factory	80
81	the Highton Building	Downing Plaza Railway Station	wasteland	wasteland	Oswald General Hospital	Wigdahl Bank	Goddard Square	the Abarrow Monument RP	Topham Crescent	the Lahey Monument	81
82	the Himbury Hotel	Corless Way RP	Longson Square	Mechel Bank	Bowerman Grove Railway Station	Horsford Road	Crumpler Road RP	Mapledoram Avenue	the Duccan Motel	Bellhouse Bank	82
83	Bone Towers	Swanborough Bank	wasteland	Witchell Road	Wellstead Crescent	the Schalch Hotel	the Bagnall Building	Pollet Street Railway Station	Beete Bank	Mist Way	83
84	Munkton Walk	the Curley Building	Trippick Plaza	the Barstow Arms	Baker Place	Dunford Lane Fire Station	Samborne Towers MPM	wasteland	a junkyard	the Harrold Hotel	84
85	the Vivian Motel	a factory	Woodroffe Grove	wasteland	wasteland	a factory	Mays Way	wasteland	Blakesley Grove Police Department	Tikhon General Hospital	85
86	Denham Park	Alderson Walk	the Stock Museum	Knott Drive	Postlethwaite Boulevard	wasteland	the Caplen Building	a warehouse	Shapr Boulevard Police Department	a carpark	86
87	Campbell Square	St. Gall's Church	a cemetery RP	Ransom Grove	St. Ferreol's Hospital	wasteland	St. Jeremy's Hospital	Lyng Street RP	a factory	wasteland	87
88	Foxwell Auto Repair	a carpark	Taplin Crescent	Hopping Alley	the Rudd Building	Hook Avenue	St. Faustina's Hospital	St. Patrick's Hospital	Brailsford Plaza Police Department	Club Bennetts	88
89	Higgon Lane	wasteland	Kebby Street Fire Station	a junkyard	the Sweetman Building	St. Ferreol's Church	the Carle Building	a warehouse	the Lumbard Arms	Blatch Lane	89
	30	31	32	33	34	35	36	37	38	39

LEGEND
Extremely Heavily Barricaded Very Strongly Barricaded No Barricades
Auto Repair Shops Hospitals Other (non-TRP) Factories and Power Stations NecroTech Buildings Unbarricadable Forts and Malls Police Departments
MPM: Mobile Phone Masts RP: Revive Points

Note: I'm not an official plan reviewer (yet), but I believe that you're very close to a UBP compliant plan here. (The one stumble may be having your sole auto repair at EHB, although I certainly understand why.) You've got two big stretches with a lot of yellow, which could be broken up by putting entries at St. Matt's and Pollet RS, but those are the only (and very minor) suggestions I might put forth. -- Atticus Rex ^{mfu pif} Δ 04:18, 14 August 2007 (BST)

First, allow me to introduce myself, my name is John Blast, and I am a captain in the RA as well as their Chief Warrant Officer in charge of Security and Tactics. I understand your wanting to install a UBC in Dartside. I also appreciate the fact that you've had an officer in Dartside assessing the situation over the last year. As I'm sure he's told you the following things; The Regulator's Alliance is not military or even a para-military organization though they have the benefit of several soldiers, the Alliance is composed of many other people with different and varied backgrounds. We are more like guerilla fighters or freedom fighters banded together to make a safe haven. The RA does not have the feet on the ground so to speak, to conduct, implement and maintain such a uniform scenario. Pk'ers are at times a great threat to the suburb, and at times a direct threat to us and to that end, we keep ourselves mobile and do not wait to be killed, we will when necessary take whatever measures are necessary including but not limiited to leaving Dartside (how far and where must remain secured, I'll assume you understand). Now obviously living on the run is not condusive to maintaining a cade plan, but we do maintain a presence at all times. The south east is a hotspot 3 Saints(Jeremy's, Faustina's & Patrick's) 3 Knights (Brailsford, Shapr and Blakesely) and the Nurse in the corner (Tikhon) are always under some form of attack, this is to be expected for resource buildings anywhere but even more so for here. The largest threat to the citizens and travelers in Dartside is the Undeadfers a.k.a Dartside Conversion Force. They are organized, they are ruthless, They will when revived, PK until brought down and more importantly - They are many. This I believe negates any kind of "plan" so to speak. Tactics are shifted and changed on a daily basis to accommodate the threats we face both as an Alliance and personally. We maintain what and when we can, where we can at all times. But I'm sure your contact has already reported this to you. In short, while we are glad to work with DEM and when possible help maintain a standard amongst the city of Malton for the common good and welfare of its survivors, understand that we live in a dangerous place, and no security, no plan and no one is ever truly safe behind these walls. Let me leave you with a poem, that I believe best sums up how we feel.

The Storm came, and ravaged the mountain;

and the willow laughed

The Storm came and ravaged the ocean;

and the willow laughed

The Oak and the redwood screamed defiance

and both were ravaged by the storm;

and the willow cried;

The storm came to take the willow but was unable

When it was done, but before it left, the storm asked how

it was possible to stand against my winds?

The willow said, behold my strength I can hold the heaviest grasshoper

and the lightest butterfly, and watch as I split a ray of sunshine into a sliver

and drink your rains for days;

My strength comes not in standing but in yielding....

written by Ethan Chance

--John Blast 05:34, 14 August 2007 (BST)

Here at Tikhon Medical we see regional barricading plans more of a loose guideline than something to actually follow. In Ruddlebank, if we're under heavy attack directly at our Hospital we'll typically raise the 'cades the EHB for our own safety. Same should happen with Dartside although there always needs to be a nearby entry point of course. A barricade plan is more of a reference for passerby's to know which building they can enter safely without checking every square.--  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 06:21, 14 August 2007 (BST)

"...but I believe that you're very close to a UBP compliant plan here."

So, do we get a prize or something?

Seriously, I'm all for making sure there are entrances for the kids AS THEY CAN BE MAINTAINED. John mentioned the highly mobile and organized zombie group we share space with (and the PKers, always the PKers). I'm just getting another whiff of We Have A Wonderful Official Plan For Your Life.

Why do we have to comply with anything? So you'll leave us alone about it? So the DEM doesn't send a group called Red Wing Ace Squad or something in and rebarricade the suburb as they see fit?

All the entrances we've told you about are there because they've occurred naturally, without a barricade plan. I've been to plenty of suburbs that supposedly have plans in place and much of the time, they don't quite match up - especially when you need them to most. The ones that do are usually so pacific there are kids sleeping in the streets DESPITE plentiful entry points.

If it were up to unofficial Dartside resident me, I'd put that up with the title "likely entry points" and leave it there. --Queen Mum 06:30, 14 August 2007 (BST)

"Likely entry points" is the main thing we're going for here, yes. As the Gnome said, a BP is meant to be a reference for someone to find an entry point without having to check every block; equally, a BP is meant to be a reference for someone to know which buildings should not be overbarricaded except in an emergency. "Naturally occurring" entrances I understand, but if you don't tell anyone where they are, they wind up overbarricaded.

This isn't the DEM trying to come in and tell you what to do. This is me asking all of you to let us know where the EPs are, and hopefully allow this thing to be endorsed and published so anyone else wandering into Dartside knows too. That's all. -- Atticus Rex ^{mfu pif} Δ 06:59, 14 August 2007 (BST)

I agree that entry points are the main issue, there is no reason why the map can not be posted for new people. But from experience even when entries are tagged some one always gets in them puts the cades up to EHB to protect their own assets, and people are stuck outside. So maybe putting this up as a reference would help with this situation. As for the whole burb, everyone must do their partin maintaining cades in all buildings not just the one they are staying in. --Evl kitty 15:52, 14 August 2007 (BST)

My first comment - Why do we need to get a BP endorsed? Who endorses it and why?

Having said that, I persoanlly do not see any problems with the plan as listed - I would also suggest that Club Chandler (34,80) could be used as the EP for the NW block, as that would also be useful for those on the way to Marven Mall. --Turner Calton 19:12, 14 August 2007 (BST)

Who endorses it and why? You do, and everyone else who lives here and wants a say in what the plan should look like. As for the why, anyone can stick up a page called Dartside Barricade Plan, but if no one living in Dartside recognizes the barricade plan, it simply won't be followed. -- Atticus Rex ^{mfu pif} Δ 19:24, 14 August 2007 (BST)

Ok, may I make a suggestion. The DEM comes across as very pushy sometimes. Use of language really goes a long way. --Turner Calton 20:09, 14 August 2007 (BST)

Turner, if you feel I've come across as very pushy, I sincerely apologize. That was certainly not my intent. -- Atticus Rex ^{mfu pif} Δ 18:36, 15 August 2007 (BST)

Atticus, thank you for taking the time to respond, and I do appreciate that you try and take the time to resolve issues, and your posts here and on forums are generally well thought out and well reasoned. My comment is as much to do with the DEM as it is with you, your wording implied that the endorsement would be by the DEM. Perhaps a better choice would be "agreed upon" (Yes, same difference, but less confrontational?). As I know you're aware, the DEM does have an image problem, and some of that is, IMHO, due to the language used, and approach that the DEM takes. I understand that the DEM wants to help, and I am grateful for the services that you do provide to Malton. But occasionaly it feels like the DEM rather helps whether the help was asked for or not, such as with the BP. That is way I made the comment about the use of language, especially when there is always a pre-conception of how the DEM act (rightly or wrongly).

Once again I appreciate your civility and willingness to engage in discussion. --Turner Calton 19:42, 15 August 2007 (BST)

Dunford Fire Station is often in use as an Entry Point, and new players can grab a Fire Axe there. Of course, if anyone has a problem with that, worth shouting out. I know of one group that has used it as a base, but I'm not sure of the current status. --Turner Calton 18:16, 15 August 2007 (BST)

The current draft has Dunford at VSB. Turner, might you be able to find out if that group is still active and still using Dunford, and whether they have an interest in maintaining a higher cade level there? -- Atticus Rex ^{mfu pif} Δ 18:36, 15 August 2007 (BST)

I will have to be honest here. The group that used to use it, I would prefer weren't in Dartside, and I, personally, would prefer not to name them. However, I understand that they are in the process of something of an image and name change. That should give you a clue. --Turner Calton 19:42, 15 August 2007 (BST)

I'm currently at Marven Mall, looking at entering Dartside for a while. Without finding this page and at least the proposed BP, I'd would have had no idea where I could enter and where I couldn't. True, no opening is garunteed. But it gives me something to aim for. We all know the process of planning out the day's APs in advance. A BP is helping me do just that. So as someone new to the suburb, even a proposed BP is vital. So thanks to those who are trying to make this happen. I don't have months of experience in Dartside to take advantage of. So this is really a life saver.--BenKian 16:17, 17 August 2007 (BST)

If you check in on one of the 3 hospitals grouped to the south, one of them is bound to be enterable. Blakesley is usually ruined, although it keeps getting retaken so it might be risky. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 01:31, 18 August 2007 (BST)

Hello! This draft is looking nice now. Do we have an update on if the group is still active and still using Dunford? Its very encouraging that we're able to work together and establish an agreed upon plan. Are there any improvements anyone would like to see for whats up right now?

Thanks for putting it all together for everyone, Atticus. ~ --Seryna

I just wanted everyone to know. That even though entries are tagged people are going in and cading to EHB. Now this is very frustrating to those of us doing revives we go out revive a zombie or two go back to get in and wham we're stuck outside! This is holding up the revive Queue.--Evl kitty 15:13, 21 August 2007 (BST)

If I find out that this barricade plan has provided a nice map for systematic, overbarricading griefers... --Queen Mum 19:30, 21 August 2007 (BST)

You don't need a barricade plan to go, "Hey, look. Someone tagged this as an entry...I'm sooo going to overbarricade this. Hahahaha." --BenKian 00:39, 22 August 2007 (BST)

No, you don't need a pretty map for griefing the hardworking residents of Dartside. However, i agree that its very annoying! Evl Kitty, I completely understand how annoying it is to be locked out in the street when a building is caded up behind you. Just the other day one of our revivers was locked out & killed.

If *everyone* who is posting here and obviously cares about the BP would enforce it, we could eliminate these nuisances. Is there an area you don't agree with? Post it here! This is your burb and I fully understand that. We only want to help hold the resources and make it easier for revivers. Seryna

Might I suggest a handful of buildings, perhaps 4, that are to be kept as EPs under all circumstances? Others can and should vary. I personally like the junkyard NW of Tikhon at VS, and/or one of the neighboring PDs. No need for all PDs to be EHB. One of those southernmost hospitals should be enterable, either due to a breakin/ransack or by maintenance. We run a revive point at Lyng St, and it's convenient for folks to access a hospital right after revive. Kinda necessary sometimes. Beyond that, I think most Tikhoners support the RAs position of a floating, changing barricade plan - nothing universal. elbert gray, Tikhon Medical

Anno domini Duo Milia Sex

The Angels of Death are returning. Let the prophet herald our return. Let the skies be torn asunder and let the dead be stilled and the living be fearful. The light will pierce the night and there you will find us.

Hey sindy if your gonna preach the angels of death are coming maybe you can sign your post and if it's not sindy same goes sign your post --Evl kitty 17:33, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Okay, Angels of death. Can you also use your light to pierce Sindy Saint and tear her asunder? --RedShadowHero 03:26, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Just rearranged the posts - otherwise it was difficult to understand who says what. You keep talking. I'll watch. :) --JohnRubin 19:49, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

You know. It sounds like someone just might be coming. Nah. But, if they do, it looks like they are going to kill undead. What say you to that JohnRubin? Do you know anything about this? --RedShadowHero 00:23, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

The Angels of Death? Herald who's return? Eh? Huh? Wha? --Wan2tri 11:30, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't worry about it until we actually see anything strange about it. Besides, there have been no new people to Dartside in a little while, at least I haven't checked. --RedShadowHero 21:07, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

The "Angel of Death" is in Mississippi, slacking off again. Otherwise we wouldn't HAVE zombies falling down and getting back up! When I kill something, its that dick's job to take care of the rest! Sloth be his sin, and repentance will ensue! --Father Joe

Father, I would not challenge an angel in a game of repentance. If sloth be his sin, then surely yours is pride. (THUS THE REASON I AM ON THIS PLANET, NAMELESS CREATURE. --User:Father Joe

Well, we DO need every person we can get. You have to admire zeal in these times. --RedShadowHero 00:11, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

• Sindy, Sindy...she's our MAN. If he can't do it, nobody can ;) --Mallydobb 19:57, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Sometimes I wonder which side you're on, Mally. --User:Father Joe

Father, stop wondering. Clearly you're not very good at it. Mally's reputation is beyond contestation and were to be called into question it would have been done long ago.--John Blast 21:46, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

• You need to understand the biting sarcasm in what I wrote, there is a lot history and humor that resulted in me making my previous statement. My allegiance has never been in doubt. what exactly are you trying to say? --Mallydobb 01:30, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Sindy Saint should be killed on Sight

Sindy Saint (http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=643517), has continually pked in the Darside area, and should be dealt with, preferably with the end of the barrel of a shotgun. Sindy has apparently chosen the same 3 people to kill, over and over again, making it very hard for some to carry out their defensive measures, considering the incoming zombie hordes. --RedShadowHero 03:49, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Message for Father Joe

Father contact me by my email...so that we may coordinate our efforts. You will find my email on The Regulators Alliancewiki page.--Evl kitty 15:34, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

FATHER JOE/FOGGY TAKEN OFF NOTICE, EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY

Father Joe, I extend an offer of peace and cooperation with you. Thanks for toning it down a notch. As I said on the main page for Dartside, all living beings need to be united and working towards a healthy and living Dartside. I cannot speak for anyone else, only me. Any issues I have with current humans and other beings that are alive and kicking...I lay them down and will forgive and forget. While I don't like inciting talk, we need to work together. Let's keep this town working and breathing people! --Mallydobb 19:44, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

• Re - Mally you may speak for me as well.--John Blast 20:29, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Alright, Mallydobb. I will end my preachings. For who would want an RPG to have stirring text anyway? Who wants to feel like they are involved in a game? If this is the people's decision, I will step down from the altar. But I will not leave the room. -Father Joe

Newcomer in the area

This is Xe liang, and i have just recently gotten into dartside. i roamed, and started to camp out in the blake PD. there, i got several pistols, shotguns, ammo, and radios. I just zoomed over to the RP and noticed some zombies on the way. they were at mays way, i believe. if you need an escort or you just want me in your clan, stop by the tikhan and talk to me.Xe Out

Lots of Zeds

Scouting report: zeds are starting to accumulate all over, this is recent over the last 2 weeks. Any organized help would be welcome. I can stay in the area for a little longer and continue to scout & update as needed.--John Blast 16:44, 25 June 2006 (BST)

help from the yrc

samthetrue from the YRC here to offer help... i am en rout eta a day or two most... coming from the north wheres the best place for a weary traveler to get a nap? and after what wheres a good place for a well rested reviver to set up camp?, samthetrue

I am unsure right now Samthetrue. I'm not in-suburb right now. I'm going to bring this to the attention of some of the other Dartside leaders. --Bocaj Claw 10:32, 1 July 2006 (BST)

Hi sam I see you got my message. This isnt exactly the safest place to talk so email me at evl_kitty@hotmail.com and we will coordinate our efforts. --Evl kitty 15:14, 1 July 2006 (BST) (eluria)

Sorry...

Couldn't stay in Dartside, had to leave sooner then I wanted to, went to locketteside, got out right before the mall fell. When I get back in territory I will provide another scouting report... sam & evl becareful most buildings weren't secure when I left.--John Blast 00:58, 6 July 2006 (BST)

And I apologize for making a big deal out of stuff. I should have talked it over with both sides before I edited anything. I'm gonna try to not do that ever again. -Foggy

Coming from the far North.

My name is Mojox Khaos and I will be traveling to Dartside to help survivors in the never ending battle against the foul creatures. I dont have alot of firepower but I have found a few shotgun shells and some more pistol clips. I am a Private class soldier. I may need revivication once I arrive. I will attemtp to loot the Yagoton mall in order to find more firepower. I would like to barricade St. Matthews Hospital as my sister was a survivor resting there. I will be in Dartside tops 2 days.

-Mojox Khaos

Wow! More fresh brainz! HAR-HAR-HAR! --JohnRubin 08:43, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

The Regulators Alliance Official Stance

The RA is and has been committed to a free and safe haven for Dartside. Zombies are killed when found and encouraged to move on elsewhere. We do not grief, use unecessary force or tactics. Even pk'ers when found are killed and encouraged to move on elsewhere. Under very rare circumstances have they ever be actively hunted outside Dartside. Our allies (which can be found on the RA page) also hold these ideas. The RA is not vs anyone. We are pro-survivor for Dartside and have made no official "declaration of war" on anyone. Anyone who claims to speak for us, such as a deranged holy man for instance would be strongly encouraged to speak the truth and repent as he would have others do. If further explanation is required contact a RA member. Perferably one not dressed in monk's robes.--John Blast 17:17, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Cant Make It...

There are far too many zeds on the route and I cannot get past them. I am running from street to street in shuttle bank and I cannot find a place to rest. I will not be helping with the resistance in Dartside.

-Mojox Khaos

Regarding the Irish Republican Socialists Volunteers

It should be noted that the new IRSV are not connectyed to the Irish Repuiblican Army that used to be operating in the Dartside area. The former leadership of the Malton IRA is not involved in this group, and members of the old IRA that join it do so without the encouragement of their former leaders. I have chosen as a spokesman of the former leaders to make this statement known. The old IRA group has no official opinion or stance towards the new group, and it does not intend to encourage ex-members to join it, nor does it intend to speak for or against it.

--Fenian 20:15, 25 August 2008 (BST)

Zach's rant, et al. from the 01 November News

Buddy posted this same "entry" in a couple of places, at least, starting some nice little flame wars before leaving the game in a huff. It should probably just be deleted, but I shall put it here anyway... --WanYao 13:39, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm brand new to this game, and you can delete this all you want, but I was dumped two days ago (day before yesterday whatever that was) in front of Tikhon Medical, and despite reading all I could and following the "get my bearings" directions for first day behavior? They took me out just now. This coordinated attack made it plainly impossible for me to get any tactical advantage whatsoever, or even grasp the game mechanics enough to survive. I managed to last three days at level one despite this onslaught but the Zeds were relentless, taking out three different enclosures as if they were following me. I'm sure it was just coincidental they were ransacking the entire area but it felt like a targeted onslaught towards newbs. This does not encourage me to continue playing. A friend who I encouraged to join the game after I found it died in less than one third the time it took them to get me, and now she's mad at me for suggesting this thing. It makes me look like an idiot - "oh it's fun you should try it - WHAM!" IF I WANTED TO START A ZED I WOULDA ROLLED ONE UP. There should be a built in system to this game that keeps 'fresh meat' level ones from being blatant cannonfodder. It's like oneshotting a level one zombie. What's the point? Anyone who does that should get XP taken away. It's despicable that this PK-like behavior towards newbs is allowed in this game. - ZachsMind 01:21, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

It is a zombie apocalypse, survival is supposed to be tough. Sorry they got you though. Death is a necessary part of the game, I've died probably over a hundred times - but it's tougher at low level. It's lousy luck you dropped into Malton in the middle of a mega-horde called the Big Bash. They don't happen often, but they're about as nasty as it gets. You happened upon a suburb that is collapsing under a 1,000+ zombie invasion. As for the "get your bearings" part, there are revive points around, but they'll be slow in your area because so many people have died lately. I'd suggest you shamble northward, looking for a "revive point". Grafitti usually marks them. Things seem to be quieter up north. Run to a green suburb where revives will be faster. Hope that helps, and good luck! - Elbert Gray 01:34, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Elbert, I don't care if it's a big bash or a halloween hootenanny. IF I WANTED TO START A ZED I WOULDA ROLLED ONE UP. The game is painfully imbalanced and blatantly unfriendly to newcomers, and I'm very close to just walking. There's challenging and there's just being obviously sadistic. - ZachsMind 03:17, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Dude, it's not the game's fault, you got super unlucky, I am sorry but that is the problem. The Big Bash is a mega horde that you got dropped right into, There was nothing you could do about it. Get to a revive point and find a Survivor held suburb, and start hunting zeds. The game is not super imbalanced to newbies. You just got really unlucky. I cleared out of Dartside a week ago, I got lucky, you didn't. I'm only lvl 2, but I still live. I am sorry dude. - George Bulst

Harden up. Qoth 7:12, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Second Big Bash

In order to help future attempts by Survivors to coordinate a response to the 2nd Big Bash, I have set up a page specifically for this purpose called "Survivors vs The Second Big Bash". Please add any news on this page, and any ideas for strategy on the discussion page. Good luck! --Richardhg 03:55, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Those in Dartside at the moment should run for their lives. -- John Rubin^{T! ZG} 15:01, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Revive Points

If you know something about the revive points, please tell (and edit) or clear the revive point list.. -- /// goebi^{TalkHelp/LFS/SR/NT/_MWP} /// 23:08, 2 June 2007 (BST)

is anyone doing revives in Dartside? i have a character waiting at the Abarrow Monument, i registered with the DEM and everything...--WanYao 03:37, 25 July 2007 (BST)

Try Taylor next 'burb right or Lyng. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 03:38, 25 July 2007 (BST)

taylour lane in kinch? hmnnnn... i might as well head that way, nothing is happening here, thanks. --WanYao 05:03, 25 July 2007 (BST)

Abarrow is maintained by the Regulators Alliance when possible. The DEM has nothing to do with it, therefore your request would not be seen. The link for the RA revives forum was removed from the Dartside page when the mods ransacked it and removed all group information to standardize all of the suburb pages. --Queen Mum 15:41, 25 July 2007 (BST)

Dem also maintains a central revive page with all suburbs clocking in. Abarrow is listed there with who maintains it. It's a good page to check, as I believe it is updated to reflect current status. Do as Queen Mum has directed you, if your still in Dartside.--John Blast 02:31, 11 August 2007 (BST)

I put them back, albeit in the TRP block; also restored the link to the RP list. BTW, the guy who deleted those links isn't a mod, just a regular user with an axe to grind. -- Atticus Rex ^{mfu pif} Δ 02:34, 11 August 2007 (BST)

--Also, the Revive system is down. It should be up anytime, but MFU members are manually checking Crumpler Road 36, 82 daily. For more on the revive tool, read here please: http://z14.invisionfree.com/Brainstock/index.php?showtopic=6900

-- Seryna 22:48, 29 August 2007 (BST)

Moved non-News

Ted Blackheart said:

Overbarricading is still a really serious problem. It is becoming difficult to do anything but hang around the same building. Everywhere I go I am hindered by EHBs. Please think of the survivors and keep it at VSB unless there are zombies around. Don't make it impossible for survivors to enter!

Striked out bits removed (tactical advice.) Linkthewindow  Talk  23:07, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Moved non-news

March 14th

How did we let this happen? Once the safest suburb now at Dangerous in 2 days?

Clear survivor POV -- Linkthewindow  Talk  03:28, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

March 28

Need help. Stuck in Dartside with no AP. No trouble so far despite Zombies.

Studies Researching Group Ronari

Hi there im Firefox Fan from a new group called Ronari we are trying to contact all groups, zombies and survivors in the area of Dartside to ask for permissons, to make one of our studies, we´ll be glad to have your cooperation please check our page for further details if posible.Thanks in advance!- Firefox Fan Dr Moulder 30 May 2009 12:27(UTC/GMT -5)

Great Suburb Group Massacre 2010

All suburb wiki pages are undergoing a clean up to remove inactive groups from the group listing (see here: this suburb's groups). If you are a group currently listed in this suburb, you will be contacted on your group's talk page within the next few days and asked to reply, indicating that you are active in this suburb. Groups that fail to reply within two weeks of being contacted will automatically be removed from the suburbs where they are listed.

We're posting here in the hopes that more groups will be aware of the clean up and can respond appropriately, since our team does not have the time nor the manpower to seek out every group in-game or track down its group members elsewhere on the wiki. If you know that some groups in your suburb do not check the wiki, please be a good neighbor and let them know that they NEED to check it for this, or else they will be unlisted in the near future.

The wiki members coordinating the cleanup will be using the table below to track their progress in communicating with the various groups. Please do not edit it if you are not involved with The Great Suburb Group Massacre 2010 team.

The Great Suburb Group Massacre 2010
Group Name	Contacted On	Date Due
57th ADMI	29 January 2010	Removed
Deck of 52	29 January 2010	Removed
Fort Creedy Troops	28 January 2010	Removed
Shiro Tagachi	29 January 2010	Removed
Tikhon Medical	26 January 2010	Confirmed
The Survivor's Republic	27 January 2010	Confirmed
Shambling Seagulls	29 January 2010	Removed
The Cleaners	29 January 2010	Removed
This suburb has been cleared. --Maverick Talk - OBR 404 07:14, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Please check your group's talk pages in the next few weeks, and respond promptly when you receive a communication from the GSGM2010 team. Thanks. Maverick ^{Talk - OBR 404} 06:31, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your cooperation as we cleaned up the group listings for this suburb. Your help in reaching out to groups and replying to our requests has been much appreciated. --Maverick ^{Talk - OBR 404} 07:14, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Great Suburb Group Massacre 2011

All suburb wiki pages are undergoing a clean up to remove inactive groups from the group listing (see here: this suburb's groups). If you are a group currently listed in this suburb, you will be contacted on your group's talk page within the next few days and asked to reply with a list of suburbs in which you are active. Groups that fail to reply within two weeks of being contacted will automatically be removed from the suburbs where they are listed.

We're posting here in the hopes that more groups will be aware of the clean up and can respond appropriately, since our team does not have the time nor the manpower to seek out every group in-game or track down its group members elsewhere on the wiki. If you know that some groups in your suburb do not check the wiki, please be a good neighbor and let them know that they NEED to check it for this, or else they will be unlisted in the near future.

The wiki members coordinating the cleanup will be using the table below to track their progress in communicating with the various groups. Please do not edit it if you are not involved with The Great Suburb Group Massacre 2011 team.

The Great Suburb Group Massacre 2011
Group Name	Contacted On	Date Due
57th ADMI	23 January 2011 (UTC)	Confirmed
Red Guards of Williamsville	23 January 2011 (UTC)	Removed
Tikhon Medical	22 January 2011 (UTC)	Confirmed
St. Ferreol's Twinning Association	23 January 2011 (UTC)	Confirmed
This suburb has been cleared. -- Spiderzed▋ 16:17, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Please check your group's talk pages in the next few weeks, and respond promptly when you receive a communication from the GSGM2011 team. Thanks. Spiderzed▋ 14:15, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your cooperation as we cleaned up the group listings for this suburb. Your help in reaching out to groups and replying to our requests has been much appreciated. -- Spiderzed▋ 16:17, 7 February 2011 (UTC)