UDWiki talk:Administration/Promotions

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Tallies

I think we should agree not to post those running tallies, given that sysop promotions are not votes, but rather requests for users opinions/reasons for support or not. The tallies give the impression that it's a vote -- boxy ^{talk • i} 10:23 24 July 2008 (BST)

Not to mention that they are damn annoying.--Karek^maps?! 10:26, 24 July 2008 (BST)

agreed. although it means i have nowhere to use my new found skill of 5 tildes....--xoxo 10:28, 24 July 2008 (BST)

I agree aswell. It should be done asap... DanceDanceRevolution 13:29, 24 July 2008 (BST)

OK, I'm moving the tally from the current bid here -- boxy ^{talk • i} 13:11 26 July 2008 (BST)

The bid relevant portion has been moved to the bid archive.--Karek^maps?! 02:55, 31 July 2008 (BST)

Individual Pages per Promotion

Wouldnt it be better to deal with each promotion bid in an individual page, like we discuss new policies and arbitration cases on their own pages ? The promotion are gonna to be archived in an individual page in the end, and that way we can keep any discussion related to that case in it's own talk page. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 14:20, 22 April 2008 (BST)

As long as they all link from the current page in the same manner as suggestions do then it sounds like a good idea to me. It would keep things neater, thing is though is it worth making a change for something that isn't exactly an everyday event? --Honestmistake 14:59, 22 April 2008 (BST)

I was thinking about something like what i made in the arbitration page. The user requesting a promotion uses a template stuff, with a link to it's bid, the date he asked for the promotion and when it's supposed to be over (14 days since its beginning) and the status of the bid (open, succesful, unsuccesful, withdraw, etc)... then in the individual page we could have something like in the suggestions, with a place reserved for the user to state his reasons to be promoted, a place for people to vouch him, and a section explaining how promotion works (the thing about it not being a vote, but a discussion on the merits of a user to be promoted) and the duties of a sysop. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 15:07, 22 April 2008 (BST)

I'd say it can't hurt to try it out. Makes the page less spammy with multiple bids.--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 15:59, 22 April 2008 (BST)

Given that there are usually only a handful of promotions at a time, is this necessary? Still, having separate promotion pages would entail separate promotion talk pages, which is where the real editing mess is. Also, this would definitely make archiving easier. --Kid sinister 16:35, 22 April 2008 (BST)

Yeah, kid sinister has the right idea: this isn't so much good because it splits up the main page but for splitting up the talk page. Grarr 17:44, 22 April 2008 (BST)

No, the Arbitration system sucks for ease of following now.--Karek^maps?! 20:12, 22 April 2008 (BST)

we can see how this works out next time someone request a promotion... this will help a lot on the rare occasions where more than one user asks for a promotion... it was a pain to follow the promotion bids from akule and axe, imho. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 01:33, 23 April 2008 (BST)

And if you're only following one then it's much less annoying, too. Grarr 17:31, 23 April 2008 (BST)

Yes, I think it would be easier that way. --Pdeq^Talk* 03:42, 24 April 2008 (BST)

No. Whilst I hated to go through all the scrolling of unnecessary comments at A/A in the past, votes on the Promotion sections are much more meaningful and altogether have a more substantial "real content per line" ratio, thus making having to browse through more pages in order to get to vote more of a bother than an actual improvement. This, combined with the fact that most Promotion requests are placed one at a time, will increase instead of reducing the actual scrolling per vote one wants to place. --Starplatinum 06:16, 24 April 2008 (BST)

Speaking of streamlining promotion bids, was there ever a particular reason why there weren't defined sections for vouches, againsts, and abstains/questions? It would seem easier to take tallies that way. I just never recalled it ever being done that way, tis why I ask.--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 11:14, 24 April 2008 (BST)

I presume it's something to do with Promotions not being a vote, which results in tallies being somewhat irrelevant. Or then it's just plain laziness. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 11:26, 24 April 2008 (BST)

The first reason, because it's not a vote. After the first 3 vouches it's purely about the opinions of people. A strong opinion in favor or against from an active user counts for more then a weak vouch or against by an inactive user. It's not digital, it's gradual. To sort them would introduce a more firm diversion between for and agianst then there usually is.-- Vista  +1  11:29, 24 April 2008 (BST)

Post implementation

I'm sorry but, I already hate this system with a passion. It's done nothing but complicate things for everyone involved and actually goes so far as to remove the rules and guidelines as for what to look for in a candidate and how to comment.--Karek^maps?! 15:09, 29 April 2008 (BST)

d'uh, then be bold and add them instead of complaining. They are already in a template. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 15:11, 29 April 2008 (BST)

d'uh, if that was the only problem that probably would have been what I did. This system inconveniences everyone for the sake of "neatness" when the previous system has worked out fine.--Karek^maps?! 15:18, 29 April 2008 (BST)

Now I've got to add another page to my watchlist every time someone puts themself forward? Na, when it's such an underused page as promotions, it's not worth the effort. It's just as easy to archive the bid to a separate page after the bid is finished as it is to do it at the begining -- boxy ^{talk • i} 15:53 29 April 2008 (BST)

Ditto. --Starplatinum 19:25, 29 April 2008 (BST)

Please don't make individual pages for promotions in the future -- boxy ^{talk • i} 10:46 17 May 2008 (BST)

Agree. This was annoying. I didnt even find out suicidal angel had replied to me until 5 minutes ago (A bit late for a further reply methinks), when i have both promotions and this talk page on my watch list. Keep em here. --The Grimch ^{U! E! WAT!} 10:59, 17 May 2008 (BST)

As the box. I hated having to go to the promo page, and then clicking on another link (with dead internets might I add) just to see how my bid goes. And really Grim? I just thought you were too busy to reply to me. Thats sad. Continue it again some other time?-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 15:14, 17 May 2008 (BST)

Well, we'd never find it difficult without trying. I kind of agree with all that has been said about this, and don't further support this. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 17:04, 17 May 2008 (BST)

Only one Bureaucrat for Ross's promotion?

Since AHLG has left the wiki, there will only be one Bureaucrat for Ross in two weeks. Assuming an election is held today, that still means only one Bureaucrat for Ross. Are there any procedures for dealing with this, or will he have to wait until that election is done? Linkthewindow  Talk  05:34, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

There is no need for two, we've done it in the past -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 06:57 20 November 2008 (BST)

Well if there's a lot of drama and people debating whether im sysop material, I'd have no problems waiting until after the crat elections for a decision, but, I'm hoping for a more cut and dried result than J3d. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 15:18, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Actually I am hoping that Cheese takes in the full extent of community support and refuses your promotion as is his right :) Go on Cheese you know you want to, I dare ya...--Honestmistake 18:40, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

That would actually be the consistent thing for him to do. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 03:46, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, it doesn't look like a cliffhanger at the moment, so hopefully not much drama :). Linkthewindow  Talk  06:01, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Unless I reject it. =p -- Cheese 20:23, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

It would certainly be interesting if you did and it would set a nice thorough precedent for the Bureaucrats ability to promote purely at their own discrection. It would be miscondibration galore (and patently ridiculous).--The General ^{T Sys U! P! F!} 21:57, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

We might as well wait til we have 2 crats after the election (meaning Ross's bid will go for 2 weeks and like 3 days). It's not like Cheese'll say no, but i don't like the precedent this sets. Two crats for promotions shouldn't be optional.--xoxo 23:28, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Already precedent for single Crat elections. Hell Cheese was confirmed by AHLG after Grim went nuts and there are bound to be other examples if anyone can be bothered digging them up, its only really a problem if its a contentious issue at the time... for instance if there had only been one crat for your election i think there would have been even more controversy--Honestmistake 11:24, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Still think we need 3 crats just for the promotion bid thing.... avoids the idea that one has a veto which as far as i know is not policy and is in fact a result of the fact that a majority opinion is not possible with just 2. --Honestmistake 00:28, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Sysop promotions shouldn't be majority decisions. If a relatively clear consensus can't be reached by the community, and the crats deciding, it shouldn't happen. Bad sysops are extremely hard to remove, it is better to err on the side of caution at promotion time, rather than have to go through months of misconduct drama -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 09:52 26 November 2008 (BST)

lalz.--xoxo 13:07, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

There was only one for my last bid. However there's a difference between a crat being AWOL and a crat not existing. I guess it doesn't matter since he's a shoe-in.--xoxo 11:53, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough. It leaves me 3 days to launch my crat bid. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 12:13, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm sure there's some clause about being a sysop at the start of the election...perhaps not ;) --xoxo 12:20, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, I haven't found it yet. (But then I haven't looked) --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 12:23, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

That's always the best way. Why look for something you don't want to find? I'm loving the contrast between our promotions bids...--xoxo 12:26, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

You're just jealous because i got more vouches in 24 hours than you did in two weeks. Right to appease you Im off to improve Power Towers --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 15:15, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

You're just jealous coz i got twice as many crats as you. *sulks* --xoxo 04:37, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Bugger. You did. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 09:21, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

In fact we've not only done it before, the whole 2 bureaucrats thing was nothing but an accident due to some sloppy rules writing back in the day. It worked out for the best, but we were supposed to have only one. :D -- Vista  +1  20:46, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Is the finger pointing at me here? :P.--The General ^{T Sys U! P! F!} 08:26, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

lol finger.--xoxo 13:18, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Mostly ;P But to me as well. I shouldn't have just dumped the position onto Xoid without checking in more. He wasn't that familiar with the early days while odd was there so a lot of things that I thought well known wasn't...but... How are you, still going strong?-- Vista  +1  18:01, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

I'll take it that he hasn't been promoted yet, we are waiting for a second 'crat? Might want to post something on that page, if it is true. Linkthewindow  Talk  04:54, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

It takes two weeks for a bid to go through completely. It hasn't been two weeks.--Karek^maps?! 05:00, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

And no, the amount of bureaucrats has no influence on promotions. The reason why we continued to have two 'crats after we accidentally added a position is not for deliberations but as back up to make sure we'll always have one active after a bureaucrat is indisposed, inactive or stripped from his position.-- Vista  T  05:06, 30 November 2008 (UTC)