User:Aichon/Archive 2010
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UD Better Name Colorer
Haven't had a chance to try it out yet in-game, but nevertheless it has had an effect on the world in which I browse. Specifically, it makes all of the links in the wiki a rather light blue of colour. This all happened on a Wednesday, in Chrome. User:Pyxzer/sig 22:44, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
- Yeah, Chrome does that. The problem is that Chrome doesn't respect the code in the script that tells it which sites the script should or should not work with (I'm hoping they'll fix the issue, since it seems like a trivial thing to fix that'd make scripting a LOAD better). I've rigged up a version of the script that plays a bit more nicely with Chrome here, but haven't tested it thoroughly yet, so consider it beta. It also doesn't colorize quite as many things as the normal version of the colorer does, but it should still work on the important ones, I believe. Let me know how it works for you. —Aichon— 23:23, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
Kevan's email?
Hey, thanks for your response on my question about donating and the IP limit. Now, I'd like to email Kevan about this but, and I find this hard to believe myself, I can not seem to locate his email address... not for a lack of trying. Is it even posted publicly? --Draig Ravenstorm 03:38, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
- Try his main site. --Bob Boberton TF / DW
03:49, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
Help....!
Hey Aichon, im sort of lost with the whole idea. Ive followed your instructions but still find myself ait overwhelmed. I know i shouldnt Copy and Paste it but how else would i do it? Brukhalien --Osric Stormwall 08:57, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
- I'll fix up the Recruitment page for you if you can get Grey Swords/Recruit looking good. Gimme one sec and I'll see what I can do for you, that way you can see how it's supposed to look. ;) —Aichon— 08:59, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for all the help, both of you. Id have been cast into the abyss I hadn't of recieved any help! --Osric Stormwall 09:10, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
- No problem! Very glad to be of service. I'll have to figure out how to make those instructions clearer, since you're not the only one who's bumped into that issue. —Aichon— 09:12, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
Hey you
I keep calling you Ross by mistake. I think it's been like three times now. So, uh, sowwy. :(
If I do it and don't correct myself, remind me I owe you one (1) internet of your choice. 09:09, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks, but I already downloaded it. No, seriously. I did. Follow the links from here for evidence. In the meantime, I'd settle for less edit conflicts. :P —Aichon— 09:13, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
Aha
Linking to A/DE will see A/DE getting quite long. Should there be some subpage to archive these or is it going to be a monthly archive like A/VB? If so that'll need to be created. I'll link to A/DE now cause it's getting late. :( 01:36, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
- I'd imagine it'd be an A/VB-esque archive, where you just include the current month's archive into A/DE, but that hasn't been done yet. I'd fix it myself, but I'm not quite able to. For now, CYA and link to A/DE, and the link can always be changed later. —Aichon— 01:42, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
- Not sure if you're asking for my input or not, but quarterly sounds reasonable to me. After all, if we just take some ballpark estimations and say that half the cases on A/VB are ruled Vandalism and that half of those people will come back later and request a de-escalation, then you'd have just 1/4 as many de-escalations as cases on A/VB, so archiving it about 1/4 as often makes sense. Quarterly ends up being 1/3 as often, so that's close enough. You might even be able to stretch it out six months. —Aichon— 10:54, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
- Yeah, everyone's input would be most helpful. I wouldn't like six months because it means by the end of it there are 6 months worth of a/de entries on one archive page... It may clog up big time... --
- Well, going quarterly for now makes sense. If push comes to shove and there are more requests than you expect, it should be trivial to switch to a monthly archive anyway. You can basically just treat the first quarter as an experiment to see how many requests actually come in, then make a final decision at the end of the quarter. —Aichon— 12:24, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
- Great Idea. I'll make a note on the talk page. -- 12:55, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
11:21, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
- Well, going quarterly for now makes sense. If push comes to shove and there are more requests than you expect, it should be trivial to switch to a monthly archive anyway. You can basically just treat the first quarter as an experiment to see how many requests actually come in, then make a final decision at the end of the quarter. —Aichon— 12:24, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
- Yeah, everyone's input would be most helpful. I wouldn't like six months because it means by the end of it there are 6 months worth of a/de entries on one archive page... It may clog up big time... --
GSM2010
What are the plans with this? Wasn't it meant to have started by now? --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 13:53, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
- Well, it was supposed to be staging at this point, I believe, but I wasn't exactly the driving force behind it all, just a participant. —Aichon— 14:02, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
- Wiki forces will get around to it before the end of the month, I should imagine. --
RoosterDragon
15:50, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
- Wiki forces will get around to it before the end of the month, I should imagine. --
Let's Roll Some Heads!
At one point or another you expressed interest in helping with the latest Great Suburb Group Massacre. The official page has been made, complete with instructions. Go get 'em! --Maverick Talk - OBR 404 08:19, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
- P.S. - We'll need you to change the link in the template to link to the actual page now that it's up. You're awesome! --Maverick Talk - OBR
404 08:35, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
How do!
Hi Aichon. Yep, my main character's in MOB so I update the map whenever I can. I have an alt in Judgewood Vector Control (Doctor Parrot) so that's the SoC connection. Chief Seagull talk 09:58, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
- Ok, that makes sense then. It just seemed like I was bumping into you in more and more places, so I figured it was high-time to say hello and figure out who this individual was. Did you just start playing the game late last year, or have you been around for awhile? —Aichon— 14:34, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
- Nah, I'm a latecomer - 19th September to be exact. Chief Seagull talk 14:41, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
- Sweet! Another newbie, like myself. Always fun to find others that are new to the game as well. Well, since I've already bumped into you with my zombie and survivor, we just need to get you a PKer that bumps into mine, and we'll have the trifecta. And if you have a Dual Nature character laying around that wants to have fun with another one, I'd be game for that too, though my DN tends to just roam alone. —Aichon— 01:35, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
- Righty-ho, I'll just add those characters into my contacts lists and see if I run into them. My UD profiles are on my userpage. My DN's in Milltown right now and he's had a busy day - he's been zombified and revved in the space of a few hours. Chief Seagull talk 15:12, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
- That’s a shame...my DN was down in Miltown just two days ago, but has since headed back north since she was looking to do some good while she's alive. Might need to head back down your way... —Aichon— 19:58, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
- My DN's chilling in Joachim Mall stocking up on ammo. I'll probably head up NE afterwards - it's too quiet in this corner of town. Chief Seagull talk 10:58, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
- That’s a shame...my DN was down in Miltown just two days ago, but has since headed back north since she was looking to do some good while she's alive. Might need to head back down your way... —Aichon— 19:58, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
- Righty-ho, I'll just add those characters into my contacts lists and see if I run into them. My UD profiles are on my userpage. My DN's in Milltown right now and he's had a busy day - he's been zombified and revved in the space of a few hours. Chief Seagull talk 15:12, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
- Sweet! Another newbie, like myself. Always fun to find others that are new to the game as well. Well, since I've already bumped into you with my zombie and survivor, we just need to get you a PKer that bumps into mine, and we'll have the trifecta. And if you have a Dual Nature character laying around that wants to have fun with another one, I'd be game for that too, though my DN tends to just roam alone. —Aichon— 01:35, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
- Nah, I'm a latecomer - 19th September to be exact. Chief Seagull talk 14:41, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
So nice of your zombie to say hello :) Chief Seagull talk 10:22, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
- Well, I just couldn't resist. Plus, you've been a MAJOR help on the Locator recently. I just haven't had as much time for it these last few weeks, so when I saw you, I was like "?! :D", if that makes any sense. —Aichon— 17:50, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
From RSoM
Can't say I like it either. CITIZEN VI 03:43, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
- Just now saw this over there. Yeah...definitely not a fan of the new color scheme, so this seemed like the easiest approach. —Aichon— 08:30, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
From Demo6
Aichon, this is hella sexy. O_O CITIZEN VI 03:46, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks! I gotta admit, I had kinda forgotten about that page since I've been so busy recently. When I saw that "Demo6" had a comment from you, I was like, "which demo is that one again?" And now I know why you were looking for me in IRC. I was actually near my computer, but was working on some other stuff, so I wasn't responding to the pings I was getting for a few hours there.
- Anyway, it ended up being a chance for me to fool around with rounded corners and shadows to see what I could do in an hour or two, since I hadn't done anything extensively with them before. It was a bit of a test case, and I like some things about it but don't like others. It'll probably serve as a point of reference for future designs I decide to go with later, but I won't be using it as it is now, since it doesn't sit right with me for some reason. I'm certainly no artist, and it definitely shows in work like that. I am a code monkey though, which also shows... —Aichon— 08:39, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
- Actually, the reason I was looking for you on IRC is that I want to implement your brilliant PK template as soon as possible, but before doing that I want to discuss a few changes I had in mind for aesthetic or other reasons. CITIZEN VI 17:01, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Wiki Guru Wanted
Let's say I have two templates, A and B. Both have three variables. Is there a way to have Template A call in the same variable that has been entered for Template B? I swear there is, but my brain isn't working right now. --Maverick Talk - OBR 404 13:39, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not quite following, I'm afraid, so I'll try to cover all the bases. If template A is included in template B, then I don't see how it can be done, since the variables would be "invisible" to (i.e. worked into the content of template B) template A by the time it saw B. If template B is including template A, then it should be possible (e.g. example). If neither is included in the other, then I don't see how it can be done easily. Hit me up on IRC sometime and we can discuss the specifics of your case to see what may or may not be possible, since it's a bit hard to work in the theoretical like this without a solid example of what you're trying to achieve. —Aichon— 21:18, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
Example District Page
Okay, so here is our example page already in the main namespace. Less work than I thought, although it is far from aesthetically pleasing. Had to create Template:District for the sidebar and will have to make a minimap for each district, but otherwise it pretty much handles itself. I also created a page for the district barricade plan linked right to the page, and that's pretty much good to go aside from coding up a boilerplate template for that and adding a variable to the suburb boilerplate to link to the district one. Thoughts? --Maverick Talk - OBR 404 12:03, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
- Yeah, the TRPs are definitely an issue, as you said on the page. As for general thoughts, I think I'd suggest borrowing a bit more from the suburbs and changing or adding a few things. A few quick examples:
- The "X's location in Malton" minimap on the right side of the suburb page would be nice for districts, but would have to be modified to work.
- The EMR and Mast Status boxes need some aesthetic work, since they're not all the same size and are more difficult to read than the suburb ones. I'd suggest pulling them out of boxes like you have them on the district page, and instead make them resemble the suburb ones more (you also need the header for the EMRs and the Edit EMR links). Also, the suburb name should be near each of those, since otherwise there's no way to tell which correspond to which unless you have them memorized.
- I'd borrow the "Key Buildings in X" from the suburb page. It could probably replace the TRP list, even.
- I'll take another look at it later, but those are the things that pop out to me at the moment. —Aichon— 18:32, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
Midianian's UD Map Links Script
Hi there. I was going to ask Midianian, but it seems you're in charge of his scripts for now, so I thought I should ask you instead. Anyway, his UD Map Links Script had a link to the RedRum map which, unfortunately, doesn't seem to be working any longer. I edited the script to link to the CDF map instead, but wanted to get your okay before posting it to the External Links page. If you'd like to check out the script, you can find it here. Please let me know if it's okay and if you don't mind me putting it on the wiki. Thanks! --Lucy Daniels 03:58, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
- :D I have no issues with you posting something you've worked on or edited at all! The more people we have scripting up userscripts, the better it is in my book, plus, that script is released under the GPL, so you can modify and release it as you want. I've definitely been dragging my heels on updating that script, even though I've known it's been in need of an update for about a month now, so the fact that someone finally took it upon themselves doesn't surprise me one bit.
- Anyway, when I just tried out your script, it didn't seem to do anything for me in GreaseKit with Safari, which is somewhat unusual. It looks like you might have edited an earlier version of the script, since the latest version I had from Midianian was 1.3, not 1.2, which might explain why it didn't work, since his 1.3 update added compatibility for some of the other browsers, such as the one I use. Since the fix is pretty straightforward, I did go ahead and update my version of the script (which was based on Midianian's 1.3 and had a tweak or two that made it play nice with other userscripts), which you can find here.
- I don't want to discourage you in the least with this, so I would definitely encourage you to post your version of the script (or any other edits or modifications of the scripts I have here, for that matter) so that you can get your name out there and can start tweaking it to meet your needs. In this case though, I hope you won't mind if I simply update my version of the script since it already does some other stuff. Again, I don't want to step on your toes, but your comment kinda gave me the kick in the butt I needed to update my version. —Aichon— 04:20, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
Looking Good
Just wanted to say your userpage looks awesome. Great design and all that. For some strange reason it also makes me think of Assassins Creed.
--Thadeous Oakley
21:49, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks! And I can see why you'd think that, since the colors do kinda match the costume and advertising design with AC2, from what I've seen (the colors were actually more meant to be an homage to my alma mater). Truth be told though, I actually developed most of this design about a year or two ago for a blog I have, but I never used it with that blog and left the design only half-finished. When I was looking for ideas for a new look and feel here, I glanced through old designs I had for various things, saw this half-finished one, and figured I'd tweak it to work here. I definitely like the way it came out, though I'm still tinkering a bit. —Aichon— 22:01, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, I can only worry so much about Judas
Fallout 1 and 2 were fundamental in establishing and fortifying my appreciation of RPGs, I hope you enjoy them. Let me know what you think once you get into 'em. I haven't touched the new one, my 360 and a TV were fed to my guns after a summer of sloth.
I just need to play around with how and what I can do with the wiki a bit before I'll have any specific questions for you, it's been a while since I've done(attempted)anything resembling coding. I've just been cuttin', pastin' and fiddlin'. I screwed around with a signature for a bit this evening and I'm pretty sure there's alot of superfluous stuff going on in there...
Thanks for the response, and putting your time into this whole UD thing! Have fun Sysopping! --MikhailKalashnikov разговор 06:32, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
- I took a look at your signature, since it seemed to be slightly broken (e.g. the timestamps weren't showing up on the same line as the signature itself). I went ahead and cleaned up your code a bit, and also fixed a few things that weren't quite correct here. I'm not sure what you were trying to do with the code that was "EVIL?", so I cut it out, but otherwise it should basically be the same as before. If you like the changes, you can copy it over to your signature, and if there are things that need tweaking, let me know and I can modify it a bit. —Aichon— 20:16, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks again, I'm starting to learn, that signature I had was a cut and paste hack-job. I just need to put some time in. Take it easy. Mikhail
Kalashnikov разговор02:18, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
- Most of this wiki is a cut and paste hack-job...
02:20, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
- Ironically, it was your signature, Mis, that was copy/pasted, from what I saw. And no problem, Mikhail. Let me know if you run into any problems with it, and I'll be happy to lend a hand, but I hope that the new code is a bit simpler to modify whenever you feel a need to change it. —Aichon— 02:28, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
- And mine started life as a bastardised version of VI's. Also, you. You code nice. You seem to have good aesthetics. DG nao. pwease.
02:33, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
- Hmm, not sure what help you're looking for at DG. I see a few spelling errors and the like (e.g. "in to" should be "in order to"; "eidt" should be "edit", etc.).
- And mine started life as a bastardised version of VI's. Also, you. You code nice. You seem to have good aesthetics. DG nao. pwease.
- Ironically, it was your signature, Mis, that was copy/pasted, from what I saw. And no problem, Mikhail. Let me know if you run into any problems with it, and I'll be happy to lend a hand, but I hope that the new code is a bit simpler to modify whenever you feel a need to change it. —Aichon— 02:28, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
- Most of this wiki is a cut and paste hack-job...
- Thanks again, I'm starting to learn, that signature I had was a cut and paste hack-job. I just need to put some time in. Take it easy. Mikhail
- I also notice that you mention -moz-border-radius, but that only works with Firefox, and not with Chrome or Safari, since the two of them use -webkit-border-radius, and neither -moz- or -webkit- is future proof, since the web standard is just border-radius, and will be used at some point in the future by all of the browsers. In order to get around the problem, I developed a template that automatically spits out all three versions. To use it, you'd just say
{{xbrowsercss|border-radius: 5px}}
and it would spit outborder-radius: 5px; -webkit-border-radius: 5px; -moz-border-radius: 5px;
automatically. It works great for shadows and a few other CSS3 elements that are like this as well.
- I also notice that you mention -moz-border-radius, but that only works with Firefox, and not with Chrome or Safari, since the two of them use -webkit-border-radius, and neither -moz- or -webkit- is future proof, since the web standard is just border-radius, and will be used at some point in the future by all of the browsers. In order to get around the problem, I developed a template that automatically spits out all three versions. To use it, you'd just say
- There are also quite a few ways you can simplify it to the end-user. For instance, I have a map that I used to track my movements around the city (part of its code is designed specifically for use on my PK characters), and if you check its use on my Characters page, you'll see that it doesn't require much code at all to use. It could also be trivially changed in order to allow things such as widths and additional colors be added in. While having them build a map that is similar to the MOBLocator isn't a bad thing by any means, it does mean a lot more code that they're exposed to, which can confuse a lot of people, even after all the simplification you've already offered. That said, I'm not sure of too many ways to improve it, and I see your guide offering value already. —Aichon— 03:08, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
- The browser-specific thing I did not know. I'll have to sit and fix that. And that map of yours is very nice, but I like the 100+ lines of code, as it gives a way of pinpointing patterns a bit easier (for things like malls over two rows), plus the editing of individual squares easily. Basically what I need to know most is "is this useful?" and "what else do I need?". But thanks for the corners thing, I'd never have known that otherwise.
03:16, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
- Regarding my map, it's only a hair over 100 lines (though the lines are VERY long :P). What I meant to illustrate with it though, was that you could make a versatile template that would allow for pretty much any type of use. In my case, the way I actually use it means that I need to use very little code, since I've hidden away all the hard parts in that template itself.
- I'd say it's definitely useful to wikinewbs and people that are uncomfortable setting up their own maps, which is to say, most people. It gives them a place to start and a framework to build on, which is definitely nice. It might not be a bad idea to provide them with a "library" (in the programming sense) of templates that they can use in various places. You could categorize the templates into things such as building styles or colors, giving them a quick companion reference for finding out what they should type in if they want one square to look like a fire station or a fire department, without having to go to the bother of figuring it out themselves. A link to the help section over tables might not hurt either, since it'd give them additional info over the syntax of what they're doing. —Aichon— 03:24, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
- The browser-specific thing I did not know. I'll have to sit and fix that. And that map of yours is very nice, but I like the 100+ lines of code, as it gives a way of pinpointing patterns a bit easier (for things like malls over two rows), plus the editing of individual squares easily. Basically what I need to know most is "is this useful?" and "what else do I need?". But thanks for the corners thing, I'd never have known that otherwise.
- There are also quite a few ways you can simplify it to the end-user. For instance, I have a map that I used to track my movements around the city (part of its code is designed specifically for use on my PK characters), and if you check its use on my Characters page, you'll see that it doesn't require much code at all to use. It could also be trivially changed in order to allow things such as widths and additional colors be added in. While having them build a map that is similar to the MOBLocator isn't a bad thing by any means, it does mean a lot more code that they're exposed to, which can confuse a lot of people, even after all the simplification you've already offered. That said, I'm not sure of too many ways to improve it, and I see your guide offering value already. —Aichon— 03:08, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Permission
Hello Aichon. I'm relatively new to this website, in the sense of owning in account on it. However, while browsing the community discussion boards, I saw a message you posted and upon checking your user page out, I fell in love with your page setup. I've been having...difficulties setting up a respectable layout for my own user page so I was wondering if I could "paraphrase" the layout of your user page? It wouldn't be a word-for-word copy, the majority of the text would be different, the templates would be different, my own info would be used, and I'll be using the colors that the university I currently go to employs.
I just wanted to ask your permission to use the basis of your user page layout, before I went and copypasta'd it into my own. I greatly respect all you've done for this website, on Urban Dead, as well as in the real world. I just like to be polite and courteous to people I respect on the internet, after all, they too are real people with real personalities and minds.
Thanks for your time and I look forward to reading your reply. --TheBardofAwesome 06:55, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
- I've seen you around the wiki already, since you've been posting on a few people's talk pages who I watch on a daily basis. :)
- As for the request...how to put it? I had typed up this massively long reply, but I've tried to cut it back quite a bit. First, technically speaking, you are (almost always) permitted to borrow anything you want from anyone on the wiki, and no one can stop you from doing that normally. Second, personally speaking, this design of mine is less than a week old, so I'm still very emotionally attached to it, given the amount of work that went into conceptualizing it. Third, for technological reasons I'll discuss in a sec, I think it would be best if you tried to make your own design and merely copied bits from mine, rather than trying to duplicate a large portion of it.
- To be clear, I'm okay with you borrowing from my design, but I would like to offer a few ideas for what I would consider to be "cool" or "uncool" when you borrow, but again, I can't stop you from copying it wholesale if you suddenly got the urge to do so.
- The big one is that I'd like there to be enough of a difference so that when someone views our pages, they have no moment of confusion for whose they are looking at.
- I'd really prefer that your text be all original, but if you can point me to some specific text that you think is useful to you, I'm game for discussing it.
- I was going for the big name at the top to be a signature item of my userspace. If you borrow that element, could you make it look different (maybe a script font)?
- As for the rest, change it around a bit so that it doesn't feel like my userpsace and I should be cool with it. Changing the color scheme, especially some of the grays, around would go a long way to making it feel less like me and more like you.
- As for that technological issue I mentioned, I'm not sure if you're aware of just how many templates I actually use on my pages, and I'm not talking about those obvious ones on my main page. For instance, the thing with my name at the top is a template, as are the guideline box and archive box at the top of this page, a lot of the links I use and the maps I have around. All of those are in my namespace, not the public space, and I change them regularly to meet my changing needs. If you just copy/pasted my code, you'd include my templates too, which would likely break your pages later when I change them. To get around it, you'd have to copy all of my personal templates and create pages for all of them as well, and then you'd need to edit them to make them match the look and feel of your userspace. To give you an idea of just how many pages and templates you'd be dealing with, check here.
- So, again, I'm okay with you borrowing from my design, so long as you stick to the three things I said earlier, but I also wanted to make sure you were clear about the technical hurdles involved (copy/pasting won't be sufficient to duplicate my design safely). If you want, I'd be happy to consult with you and help you adapt my design or elements of my design to your own userspace. —Aichon— 09:53, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
- Alright, thanks for the reply. I intend for it to look a lot different. All the text will be replaced with my own, the color scheme will be different, I will probably end up deleting things that I don't need like the box for the computer specs, changing the right column template info, getting rid of unnecessary things, etc. I will do my best to make sure that it isn't a direct copypaste from your page.
- If I have any questions or problems, I will consult you as well as the other gerus around here. Other than that, thanks for your permission and I promise that I will do my best to make sure you aren't cheated out of your work.
- I wanted to add that chances are, I will probably end up discarding the layout and instead hone my html skills so I can create a layout of my own. --TheBardofAwesome 14:25, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
- Well, just to say it, I'm sure you won't try to do me wrong, otherwise you wouldn't have been the type of person to ask me as politely as you asked. Anyway, I'm curious to see how it goes for you, so definitely poke in here as you make progress, and if you need help with it, don't hesitate to ask. —Aichon— 16:13, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
- I completely understand and I will post any questions should they arise. --TheBardofAwesome 02:15, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
- Well, just to say it, I'm sure you won't try to do me wrong, otherwise you wouldn't have been the type of person to ask me as politely as you asked. Anyway, I'm curious to see how it goes for you, so definitely poke in here as you make progress, and if you need help with it, don't hesitate to ask. —Aichon— 16:13, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
- I wanted to add that chances are, I will probably end up discarding the layout and instead hone my html skills so I can create a layout of my own. --TheBardofAwesome 14:25, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
- I wanted to ask you if you'd mind me using the layout for your character pages? Again, I'm not going to copy it entirely, the text will be entirely different, different templates, different color scheme, etc. I just wanted to make sure you are ok with this before use it. --TheBardofAwesome 19:53, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
Sup, Sop?
Promotion eh? Well done sir. This may be vaguely helpful. Help:The_NOT_so_secret_diary_of_a_sysop --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 11:21, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
- Mucho gracias. I was about five minutes away from searching for it since I knew I needed to read through it again. —Aichon— 11:25, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
- I really should rewrite it, as I know most of the answers anyway now. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 11:32, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
- Yeah, it'd be useful. The red exclamation marks were the first new thing I noticed, and I still don't quite get them. It'd also be useful if it covered some of the sysop perks that aren't really mentioned in guidelines much (such as when we can use the buttons to do things in our own userspace that would otherwise need to have gone through the admin pages first had they been any other page). Anyway, I'm sure I'll figure it all out, but I'll probably be hitting up the first sysop I see on IRC with some questions. —Aichon— 11:38, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
- Speaking of IRC, any idea who I talk to in order to get made an op in #urbandeadwiki? —Aichon— 11:44, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
- Pass. I'm off the firm belief that all my wiki discussion should be done on the wiki. I did discuss one case wity Karek once, but thats about it. As for the red exclamation marks they pop up on many things, basically any new page or edit to a page that isnt a user editting their own namespace or any sysop edit is "Flagged" as potential vandalism that needs to be checked. I barely notice them anyway. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 11:53, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
- Yeah, the trouble I was having with them was understanding their handling in actual practice, as opposed to what they meant. I.e. do we actually use them here for their intended purpose? From what I've seen, it appears that the answer is "no". Is that correct? Anyway, off to bed...played Demon's Souls way too late and then discovered the promotion right as I was heading to hit the sack. —Aichon— 12:02, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
- They're quite good for newb sops, but after a while you get a feel. You realise that a red user name is most likely to commit vandalism, and that if Player X is editing page Y its going to cause nothing but drama. I hate the welcome template and would much rather write welcome messages to those noobs who look like they might well be newbs. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 12:04, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
- Yeah, the trouble I was having with them was understanding their handling in actual practice, as opposed to what they meant. I.e. do we actually use them here for their intended purpose? From what I've seen, it appears that the answer is "no". Is that correct? Anyway, off to bed...played Demon's Souls way too late and then discovered the promotion right as I was heading to hit the sack. —Aichon— 12:02, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
- Speaking of which, I could have a bit to add onto that article for both lols and bureaucrat POV. -- 12:07, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
- Pass. I'm off the firm belief that all my wiki discussion should be done on the wiki. I did discuss one case wity Karek once, but thats about it. As for the red exclamation marks they pop up on many things, basically any new page or edit to a page that isnt a user editting their own namespace or any sysop edit is "Flagged" as potential vandalism that needs to be checked. I barely notice them anyway. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 11:53, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
- Speaking of IRC, any idea who I talk to in order to get made an op in #urbandeadwiki? —Aichon— 11:44, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
- Yeah, it'd be useful. The red exclamation marks were the first new thing I noticed, and I still don't quite get them. It'd also be useful if it covered some of the sysop perks that aren't really mentioned in guidelines much (such as when we can use the buttons to do things in our own userspace that would otherwise need to have gone through the admin pages first had they been any other page). Anyway, I'm sure I'll figure it all out, but I'll probably be hitting up the first sysop I see on IRC with some questions. —Aichon— 11:38, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
- I really should rewrite it, as I know most of the answers anyway now. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 11:32, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
Well done on your promotion mate! Chief Seagull squawk don't mess with the Seagull! 11:30, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
Am I too late to party? I brought wines. 15:52, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
- I came back to this yay. I'll go get some party. -- Rahrah wants you all to speak to him. 16:06, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
I'm also late, but congrats on getting sysop. This wiki could always use more helpful users. Linkthewindow Talk 07:25, 2 April 2010 (BST)
- That it could, but I fail to see the connection to my promotion... :P —Aichon— 07:37, 2 April 2010 (BST)
- Replace "users" with "sysops" :P. Linkthewindow Talk 13:40, 2 April 2010 (BST)
Belated woo. -- RoosterDragon
18:06, 5 April 2010 (BST)
Space reserved for CHUD
Thanks!
I heard you were one of the main designers of the circle format coding. It turned out great! Thanks! --TheBardofAwesome 02:40, 29 March 2010 (BST)
- Well, to be clear, I wrote the code that Misanthropy is using to make it possible to click on an image like that, but he's the one that applied my code to make the circle. Actually, that brings up another point: he's using a template that's in my Sandbox still, since we haven't put it into main space yet. We'll probably need to do that before you can actually use your new circle. :P —Aichon— 03:10, 29 March 2010 (BST)
Someone killed the wiki map
It said you have become the sysop on the man page so I thought I should tell this to you, I don't really know what to tell you other then "someone killed the wiki map." You have to see this for yourself; I hope my reporting this helps in it getting fixed, sorry if I sent this to the wrong person.--Truezombieboy 05:00, 1 April 2010 (BST)
- You talked to one of the right people, and thanks for letting me know. I've fixed it. It was someone's April Fool's Day prank. —Aichon— 07:23, 1 April 2010 (BST)
Two Pence
Pulled from the User talk:Aichon/Threat Suburbs —Aichon— 06:53, 10 April 2010 (BST)
Threat5 seems too brown to fit the gradation. It could just be me though. 04:35, 10 April 2010 (BST)
- Yeah, it kinda looked that way to me as well, but it was just a weird illusion thing. At the time, I had run the math, and those colors were perfectly gradated. Anyway, new colors now. I incorporated some golds, as per your idea, and I really think it helped. Not sure if it's enough, but it's a start. —Aichon— 06:53, 10 April 2010 (BST)
UD Map Links
Hi Aichon. Now that the Red Rum map seems to be on permanent hiatus (as reflected in your 1.3 update to your UD Map Links GS script) I've found myself using Sophie's DSS Red Zone map as a replacement. I modified your 1.3 script so that it offers a wiki map link and an DSS map link (in place of the CDF map) and wanted to see if you'd grant your permission for me to publish it here on the wiki as an alternative. Would that be OK with you? -- M arcusF ilby T 04:19, 11 April 2010 (BST)
- By all means, feel free to do so. The code for that particular script is released under the GPL anyway, so you're free to modify it as much as you want, so long as you release it afterwards. Besides, I took over work on that script for someone else, so it was hardly mine to begin with. I've just made a few slight modifications to keep it working and whatnot. —Aichon— 04:31, 11 April 2010 (BST)
- Awesome, thanks. I saw the GPL bit but wasn't sure when I saw the copyrights in the comments. Cheers! - M arcusF ilby T 06:28, 11 April 2010 (BST)
Here
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An iPad, and it's for you! |
Iscariot has given Aichon an iPad so he can get started on takeover plans! |
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- Wow. Just wow. Words cannot accurately convey the feeling of gratitude I am feeling right now, since you said you'd have to sell your kidneys to get me one of those. That you value my half-assed (and never going to happen) attempts at taking over UDWiki more than your own vital organs...that says a lot to me. I'll cherish this forever. —Aichon— 08:02, 11 April 2010 (BST)
I've made a...
...recruitment ad for my group. To save us all some time, is there anything wrong with it?--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 00:46, 12 April 2010 (BST)
- For one, the font's black on a black field.
00:46, 12 April 2010 (BST)
- It's green but for some reason it isn't working.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 00:49, 12 April 2010 (BST)
- The timestamp needs to be in the table, and the linebreaks between tables need to be fixed up, but otherwise I wouldn't have any issues with it myself. I'd just put the timestamp in the recruit template itself so that it turns green. Should work. —Aichon— 00:51, 12 April 2010 (BST)
- Can you see the font?--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 00:52, 12 April 2010 (BST)
- I fixed your font but I may have removed the timestamp.
00:54, 12 April 2010 (BST)
- But templates are forbiddaan!!!--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 00:55, 12 April 2010 (BST)
- Shit, right you are. Hold on.
00:57, 12 April 2010 (BST)
- I fixed it. Yonnua's last version was fine anyway. :P —Aichon— 00:58, 12 April 2010 (BST)
- Thanks. I need to leave now. My home planet is in danger.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 00:58, 12 April 2010 (BST)
- It is now green.
01:02, 12 April 2010 (BST)
- It wasn't green for you when using the font tag? Odd. Well, I prefer spans anyway. —Aichon— 01:08, 12 April 2010 (BST)
- Nope, it was black. Also, Yon, if it was me, I'd differentiate the links somehow (I tend to underline them), and possibly center the timestamp. But that's just me.
01:11, 12 April 2010 (BST)
- Nope, it was black. Also, Yon, if it was me, I'd differentiate the links somehow (I tend to underline them), and possibly center the timestamp. But that's just me.
- It wasn't green for you when using the font tag? Odd. Well, I prefer spans anyway. —Aichon— 01:08, 12 April 2010 (BST)
- It is now green.
- Thanks. I need to leave now. My home planet is in danger.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 00:58, 12 April 2010 (BST)
- I fixed it. Yonnua's last version was fine anyway. :P —Aichon— 00:58, 12 April 2010 (BST)
- Shit, right you are. Hold on.
- But templates are forbiddaan!!!--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 00:55, 12 April 2010 (BST)
- You mean does all the text show up? Yes, for me it does. If you're using a fancy font though, then no, it just looks like the standard font to me, but I don't see that you have any code to change what the font is, so I assume you meant the former, not the latter. —Aichon— 00:54, 12 April 2010 (BST)
- I meant does it appear at all. :P --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 00:55, 12 April 2010 (BST)
- I fixed your font but I may have removed the timestamp.
- Can you see the font?--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 00:52, 12 April 2010 (BST)
- The timestamp needs to be in the table, and the linebreaks between tables need to be fixed up, but otherwise I wouldn't have any issues with it myself. I'd just put the timestamp in the recruit template itself so that it turns green. Should work. —Aichon— 00:51, 12 April 2010 (BST)
- It's green but for some reason it isn't working.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 00:49, 12 April 2010 (BST)
Re: Cookies
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A FREE COOKIE |
Mis has given Acorn a cookie for some kind of sorcery |
- I'll treasure them always. On the main page of my user space, of course. —Aichon— 21:21, 12 April 2010 (BST)
Forcing images to the right?
I have an image, under a level two header that I want forced to the right without displacing any of the text... but I can't make it come out right... do you know how I could make it work? -Poodle of DoomM! T 03:34, 15 April 2010 (BST)
- [[Image:filename.png|##px|right]] should make it work (replace ## with the required width). You may need to force a line break (use <br/>) to keep the image from being on the same line as the text, but that should force it to the right.
03:53, 15 April 2010 (BST)
- Awesome,... it worked for me... thanks! -Poodle of DoomM!
T 03:56, 15 April 2010 (BST)
- Yep, that works. The alternative is to wrap it in a div with float:right as a CSS property, which will cause the text to wrap around the image, or you could wrap it in a div with display:inline and text-align:right, which I think should bump it to the right side, though it will also likely wrap text. If you want the text to clear out so that it's under the image, then the clear:right or clear:both property would be needed, but I'd have to fool around with it myself to tell you which you'd need to use. Anyway, glad to see Mis was able to help you quickly. —Aichon— 05:47, 15 April 2010 (BST)
- Awesome,... it worked for me... thanks! -Poodle of DoomM!
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Recruit
How's that, I tried to adjust it by adding "height:800px;" to the coding,... though I'm not sure it's changed a whole lot.... Let me know what you think now. -Poodle of DoomM! T 04:46, 18 April 2010 (BST)
- Still too tall. Here are some ways you can cut it down in height:
- Cut text out of the ad itself
- Shrink text or image sizes
- Make it wider
- Take a look at the RRF's ad. It comes in at just under 800px. You need to get yours to be about as tall as theirs at the very most. Right now, yours is about twice theirs in height. Good luck! ;) —Aichon— 04:59, 18 April 2010 (BST)
- You know what,... I have to question this really... it says that the 800px height is only a rough guidline... do I really need to be changing this? -Poodle of DoomM!
T 05:18, 18 April 2010 (BST)
- I'd personally say yes, but you are correct that it is currently just a guideline. I'm asking you to do it, not ordering, since I consider it common courtesy to follow the guidelines and not have an ad that's significantly taller than everyone else's. That said, the wording for that is being changed in the next version of the instructions, which will likely be posted up very soon (they're written up, but we've been lazy posting them), making it a requirement, rather than a guideline. So once those are up, you'd have to change it anyway, and they'll go up any day or time now, pretty much whenever Mis or I get around to it. If you'd prefer not to change it in the meantime, you probably won't get in any trouble, and I certainly have no intention of pursuing it further. Again, I'm just asking you to do it, not ordering. —Aichon— 07:07, 18 April 2010 (BST)
- Don't get me wrong,... I haven't taken offense at anything you said, or requested of me. But still... I just got it to where everyone in the group approves of it... including me. Now it should be changed... Good Grief. I'll work on it when the rules change. -Poodle of DoomM!
T 15:17, 18 April 2010 (BST)
- Don't get me wrong,... I haven't taken offense at anything you said, or requested of me. But still... I just got it to where everyone in the group approves of it... including me. Now it should be changed... Good Grief. I'll work on it when the rules change. -Poodle of DoomM!
- I'd personally say yes, but you are correct that it is currently just a guideline. I'm asking you to do it, not ordering, since I consider it common courtesy to follow the guidelines and not have an ad that's significantly taller than everyone else's. That said, the wording for that is being changed in the next version of the instructions, which will likely be posted up very soon (they're written up, but we've been lazy posting them), making it a requirement, rather than a guideline. So once those are up, you'd have to change it anyway, and they'll go up any day or time now, pretty much whenever Mis or I get around to it. If you'd prefer not to change it in the meantime, you probably won't get in any trouble, and I certainly have no intention of pursuing it further. Again, I'm just asking you to do it, not ordering. —Aichon— 07:07, 18 April 2010 (BST)
- You know what,... I have to question this really... it says that the 800px height is only a rough guidline... do I really need to be changing this? -Poodle of DoomM!
Restricting Template Usage
Hi Aichon, thank you for your offer regarding Template:DEMnavbar. If it is possible to prevent unauthorized pages from using it, we would very much like to put such a restriction into place. We would certainly be grateful for any tips you could offer. Thanks again, G F J 10:09, 20 April 2010 (BST)
- Complete waste of his time, as I'll just show them how to put the raw code on their pages. --
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. <== DDR Approved Editor 10:32, 20 April 2010 (BST)
- Indeed, it would be possible for them to do that. Of course, if changes were ever made to the template, they'd have to make the changes themselves as well, rather than being able to benefit automatically, so it does create an extra barrier to using the template. And I wouldn't say it's a complete waste, since it's an interesting idea to pursue. —Aichon— 18:50, 20 April 2010 (BST)
- Basically, the gist of how you do it revolves around the use of the if equal template. That template checks to see if two things are equal, and if they are, it produces one response, while if they aren't, it produces a different response. If you're familiar with programming at all, it'd be like an if statement that is limited to testing equality (e.g. ==) and can't test anything else. We can use the BASEPAGENAME "magic word" against a list of known, accepted places where the template could be used, and if the BASEPAGENAME doesn't match one of them, produce a response accordingly. Therein also lies the problem, since it means that you need to provide code for every single location where it would be acceptable to display the template (you wouldn't have to do it for EVERY page, but you would have to do it for every group of pages, such as Malton Police Department, Department of Emergency Management, or any subpages of those pages that also themselves have subpages). In the end, I don't really think it's going to be feasible, and I'll show you why. The logic for it would look something like this:
{{if equal|{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Department of Emergency Management|YOUR ENTIRE TEMPLATE CODE GOES HERE| {{if equal|{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Malton Police Department|YOUR ENTIRE TEMPLATE CODE GOES HERE| {{if equal|{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Malton Fire Department|YOUR ENTIRE TEMPLATE CODE GOES HERE|SOME MESSAGE TO THE TEMPLATE THIEVES GOES HERE}}}}}}
- As you can see in this example, it'd mean duplicating the existing code a number of times (three times in this example, but far more in reality). I'd have to check how big the current template is, but depending on its size, it may mean that the template would get large enough that it would literally break itself (the wiki starts breaking templates after they exceed a certain number of bytes). Also, keep in mind that the example I gave here is just the start. You'd have to do it for subpages as well if those subpages had subpages of their own (e.g. if MPD had a subpage for Members, which was then broken down by more subgroups, you'd need code for the Members page, but not for the subgroups' pages, unless those subgroups also had subpages of their own). There might be a way around it, but once I realized that you guys were using the template not just on the DEM organization pages, but also on all of the member groups' pages and others as well, I realized that it'd be a stretch. If I can think of ways around it, I'll let you know, but aside from cutting back on the places you allow the template to be used, I can't think of anything immediately, and I wouldn't consider that an acceptable solution to the problem. —Aichon— 18:50, 20 April 2010 (BST)
- That's very interesting. Thank you for the detailed explanations! To avoid the problem of the template size, what we could do is create several templates instead of one, with each only used for a couple of template inclusions and not the whole list. To avoid duplicate content in the template namespace, such templates should then be DEM subpages (and added to pages with {{:name}} of course), this should prevent them from cluttering up template categories or any other part of the wiki. Of course, the disadvantage is that when the template is updated it would take a little longer, but as updates to Template:DEMnavbar are not too frequent, it would be manageable. The current count lists 42 pages as including the template, but some of these are incorrect inclusions anyway and a nice number are subpages of template-using pages and thus wouldn't have to be specially listed, so I do believe that 2-4 template copies would be sufficient, though of course I haven't tried it out yet. Using that number of templates instead of one shouldn't be a problem, and since they'd be DEM subpages, the potential problem of "spamming" the template namespace wouldn't exist. Either way, thank you once again for your reply, as soon as time permits I will definitely try this out. G F J 18:36, 21 April 2010 (BST)
- As one additional heads up, tables in templates that are then included in other templates tend to be finicky. In order to have the best shot at success, I'd suggest numbering/naming each variable you use. E.g:
- That's very interesting. Thank you for the detailed explanations! To avoid the problem of the template size, what we could do is create several templates instead of one, with each only used for a couple of template inclusions and not the whole list. To avoid duplicate content in the template namespace, such templates should then be DEM subpages (and added to pages with {{:name}} of course), this should prevent them from cluttering up template categories or any other part of the wiki. Of course, the disadvantage is that when the template is updated it would take a little longer, but as updates to Template:DEMnavbar are not too frequent, it would be manageable. The current count lists 42 pages as including the template, but some of these are incorrect inclusions anyway and a nice number are subpages of template-using pages and thus wouldn't have to be specially listed, so I do believe that 2-4 template copies would be sufficient, though of course I haven't tried it out yet. Using that number of templates instead of one shouldn't be a problem, and since they'd be DEM subpages, the potential problem of "spamming" the template namespace wouldn't exist. Either way, thank you once again for your reply, as soon as time permits I will definitely try this out. G F J 18:36, 21 April 2010 (BST)
{{if equal|1={{BASEPAGENAME}}|2=Department of Emergency Management|3=YOUR ENTIRE TEMPLATE CODE GOES HERE|4=SOME MESSAGE TO THE TEMPLATE THIEVES GOES HERE}}
- That will clear up a lot of issues. You might also have to use the
{{!}}
template in place of using|
in some places. It can get a bit hairy if not done right, but it should be doable. —Aichon— 19:07, 21 April 2010 (BST)- Thank you, once again. In case you're interested, I've solved it a little different now: After looking at the code of the if equal template, I created a modified copy at User:G F J/IfAny. In short, instead of having each allowed page have it's own template code, a list of allowed pages is now using a single copy of the code. In other words, it's a kind of "if equals any" template. It works seamlessly with Template:DEMnavbar regardless of how many allowed inclusions there are. Well, if other editors are interested in using the "if equals any" template as well, I could move it out of my user space and put it up as a regular if template with some documentation - I'm wondering whether that would make sense or whether the scenario for using the template is too special to make it worthwhile? Regards, G F J 20:53, 22 April 2010 (BST)
- Yeah, I'd move it to the public template space. I've already had a few occasions when I could have used something like that, but had to resort to the method I specified earlier, and the logic for your template looks solid, without being overly complicated. Even if I don't have a use at the moment, I'm sure I'll think of one later. :) —Aichon— 23:48, 22 April 2010 (BST)
- Alright, it's in the public namespace now :-) G F J 18:52, 24 April 2010 (BST)
- Yeah, I'd move it to the public template space. I've already had a few occasions when I could have used something like that, but had to resort to the method I specified earlier, and the logic for your template looks solid, without being overly complicated. Even if I don't have a use at the moment, I'm sure I'll think of one later. :) —Aichon— 23:48, 22 April 2010 (BST)
- Thank you, once again. In case you're interested, I've solved it a little different now: After looking at the code of the if equal template, I created a modified copy at User:G F J/IfAny. In short, instead of having each allowed page have it's own template code, a list of allowed pages is now using a single copy of the code. In other words, it's a kind of "if equals any" template. It works seamlessly with Template:DEMnavbar regardless of how many allowed inclusions there are. Well, if other editors are interested in using the "if equals any" template as well, I could move it out of my user space and put it up as a regular if template with some documentation - I'm wondering whether that would make sense or whether the scenario for using the template is too special to make it worthwhile? Regards, G F J 20:53, 22 April 2010 (BST)
- That will clear up a lot of issues. You might also have to use the
Settling it once and for all
If you came here to reply to my post of the same name on your talk page, please head to User talk:Aichon/Other/Iscariot's Vandal Data instead. This is a big enough topic that I'd rather it was kept to its own page, rather than filling up my main talk page. —Aichon— 01:29, 21 April 2010 (BST)