Suggestion:20080409 Modification to AP Combat System

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20080409 Modification to AP Combat System

Maxwell Substantial at 06:32, 9 April 2008 (GMT)

Suggestion Type Improvement (Combat/AP Cost)

Suggestion Scope Combat

Suggestion Description

I Understand that the pace of the game is slow, however when spending the majority of my AP, which is dispensed rather quickly even when saved up, on doing a total maybe 15 or 20 damage with an axe is frustrating. The AP cost for movement seems completely fair. However what I feel is slightly more incongruous is that running across a city block requires the same expenditure of effort as swinging a melee weapon or firing a ranged one. I am not attempting to equate AP to time but more argue that exploring a suburb or building is a more engaging action than pressing attack 30 times. Perhaps a standard AP cost could be incurred for entering combat. To keep pacing as it is now, the cost could be high, 10 or more AP points, perhaps. It seems more logical as well that a zombie who found a sleeping player would eat them or a human player who found a sleeping zombie would kill them rather than start combat and then either flee half way through or fall asleep against an unconscious opponent. With the low hit rate coupled with the AP cost per individual attack, attacking as it is now, seems almost pointless.

Voting Section

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The only valid votes are Keep, Kill, Spam or Dupe. If you wish to abstain from voting, do not vote.

Keep Votes

1. Keep I hate this idea, it sucks, but I'm voting keep just to piss everyone else off. カシュー, ザ ゾンビ クィーン (ビープ ビープ) @ 11:40, 9 April 2008 (BST)
2. Keep - I agree with Katthew, it's completely unfair that I can't deal 200 damage in 10 AP.--Karek^maps?! 11:59, 9 April 2008 (BST)
3. keep - this is totally unneeded--Corndoghero^T-S-Z 18:11, 9 April 2008 (BST)
4. Keep - One day I will be Suburb Superman and singlehandedly fight off the zombie scourge in my entire suburb. Kevan will put a statue of me in the suburb because I'm so amazing at combat. --Riseabove 05:32, 10 April 2008 (BST)
5. Keep - it's a dupe, and i don't care! KEEP TO EVERYTHING!!!--Jamie Cantwel3 07:05, 10 April 2008 (BST)

Kill Votes

1. kill "it could be 10AP gets you 15 attacks OR 20." You need to be specific for people to vote on a suggestiob. FOr feedback, take this idea to Talk:Suggestions to get this sorted. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 11:35, 9 April 2008 (BST)
2. kill - I think I understand your suggestion (ambiguous though it may be) and combat revive already has a similar effect and look how unpopular that is. And don't spoil the fun of the axe vs. gun tradeoff --Explodey 16:27, 9 April 2008 (BST)
3. Kill - I guess for all the reasons listed throughout this voting section... Don't like it. I also don't like that you used the phrase "AP points". It's like when people use "ATM Machine", and I won't stand for it.--KF 02:08, 10 April 2008 (BST)
4. Kill - Im not even sure i know what the suggestion is.--Carnexhat 04:06, 11 April 2008 (BST)

Spam/Dupe Votes

1. Spam - You aren't actually suggesting anything and you've gotta realise AP isn't spose to be 'realistic', its designed to limit what you can do in a day. Yes i know its ridiculous but how much would it suck if just coz you were sleeping people could kill you with 10 or so ap?--xoxo 07:56, 9 April 2008 (BST)

   Re I am suggesting something: A change to the AP cost of combat. It doesn't have to be a set cost to begin, it could be 10AP gets you 15 attacks or 20. Doesn't have to be indefinite attacking, I was merely giving one possibility.User:Maxwell Substantial 08:05, 9 April 2008 (BST)

   Re:suggestions should be complete ideas, not vague possibilities--xoxo 09:24, 9 April 2008 (BST)

2. Spam-Um, what?--Pesatyel 09:02, 9 April 2008 (BST)
3. Spam http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Frequently_Suggested#AP_Is_Not_a_Unit_of_Time I understand what you're saying, but the thought of a half hour's wait for the AP to swing an axe is sadly preferable to a five hour wait to swing said ax several times in AP-cover-charge combat. --Shigogouhou 10:24, 9 April 2008 (BST)
4. Spam Um.... so for 10AP you can always be guaranteed to kill the other person? --Tselita 12:34, 9 April 2008 (BST)
5. Incomplete-As above.--Studoku ^W! 13:29, 9 April 2008 (BST)
6. Yeah - What the fuck is wrong with you, man? --Vandurn 13:47, 9 April 2008 (BST)
7. Incomplete - You're still not formally suggesting any modification, just listing your grievances. Also, you must explain how 10 AP can be used to deal 15 or 20 attacks. Furthermore, you must be suggesting a complete idea, not throwing a vague thought and expecting us to help you do it. ~Ariedartin • Talk • A KS J abt all 14:08, 9 April 2008 (BST)
8. Spam - As many of the above. Let's completely screw the current combat system for a random idea I just thought up that negates practically every combat aspect of this game, just to kill people in 10AP! - Um, NO! -- The Lethal Trio ^{[Tlk|NTCS|RRF] U! E!} 16:58, 9 April 2008 (BST)
9. Spam - wow... don't mess with AP dude. It's one of the base fundamentals of the game. don't like it? don't play Urban Dead. -- Jack ^{S13 T! PC} 17:00, 9 April 2008 (BST)
10. Spam - The suggestion is incomplete, you need to formally suggest modifications with distinct characteristics. Talk:Suggestions is a helpful place. --ZsL 17:51, 9 April 2008 (BST)
11. Spam - You should really read the guidelines thoroughly before you post an idea, especially one you didn't post to Talk:Suggestions first. --Diano 19:58, 9 April 2008 (BST)
12. Someone beat me to the punch with the AP not a unit of time thing. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 20:14, 9 April 2008 (BST)
13. Spam - uhm... cat /dev/random ? nah... Try using Talk:Suggestions next time. -- 
    •  Nevin McAvoy 
    •  (talk) 
    21:48, 9 April 2008 (BST)
14. Spam - Suggestion doesn't make sense, and you want a free kill for 10 AP? NOooooo. --Jasonjason 22:27, 9 April 2008 (BST)
15. Incomplete/Not a Suggestion - More of a mass of ideas of what could be suggested more than a suggestion itself. Take this to discussion next time. --Private Mark 23:13, 9 April 2008 (BST)
16. Spam - As all above, and a few more that I cannot be bothered listing.  Billy Club Thorton  T!  RR  23:17, 9 April 2008 (BST)
17. Spam - I'm sure people have justified me above. But a cost to enter combat, wtf??!? No chance. --WanYao 23:29, 9 April 2008 (BST)
18. Spam-as above--Airborne88^T|Z.Quiz|PSS 02:01, 10 April 2008 (BST)
19. Spam - perhaps you could actually suggest a concrete idea. --Pdeq^Talk* 06:48, 10 April 2008 (BST)
20. Spam - D'wha'huh? --_└^Frozen_┘^┌_Flame^┐ 07:17, 11 April 2008 (BST)

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