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We joined the wiki on the same day.--Yonnua Koponen ^{T G P} ^^^ 16:34, 27 April 2011 (BST)

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dutch pysops rule ta wiki -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 11:04, 30 April 2011 (BST)

Ja, bro, de Nederlanders zijn allemaal op in deze stront. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 11:10, 30 April 2011 (BST)

I'm going to have to inform you that sentence is grammatically incorrect. Dutch=Awesomeness though. You should visit! -- Thadeous Oakley Talk 11:14, 30 April 2011 (BST)

I'm not surprised, seeing as it was direct via Google translate… and yes, Netherlands is on my to-do list, hopefully within the year if all goes well. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 12:08, 30 April 2011 (BST)

Yeah cunts I'll come to dutchland and we can have a big fat cog-infested hollandish party yah? -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 16:35, 30 April 2011 (BST)

Holy ballhole, I didn't mean for that to sound to awful. Don't worry brothers, I'm drunk on the tooheys but when I get to holland I'll hit back those heinikens liek there's no tomorow! -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 16:37, 30 April 2011 (BST)

It's clog, klootzak.
Woo Tooheys! I'm on the Boag's. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 16:41, 30 April 2011 (BST)

LOL, surprised nobody has mentioned our famous export products yet. It's what 2/3 of the tourists come for anyway, but seeing how you behave when drunk it's prolly a bad idea. Also looking at the horrible dutch spoken here, it's probably a good thing the Netherlands is one of the best English speaking countries in Europe aside from (obviously) England and Ireland. Our accent is crinch-worthy though, really bad sometimes. -- Thadeous Oakley Talk 17:26, 30 April 2011 (BST)

My parents never taught us Dutch because it's what their generation spoke when they didn't want the kids to understand. And yeah, all my Dutch cousins speak excellent English. Learning Dutch is on my to-do list. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 17:36, 30 April 2011 (BST)

The practical use of Dutch is limited, since it's not spoken anywhere outside the Netherlands and some parts of Belgium. Considering you'll be fine in those countries with just English I fail to see point. For the sake of heritage? Good luck though, I heard it's quite difficult to learn for a foreigner. -- Thadeous Oakley Talk 17:46, 30 April 2011 (BST)

Moving things around

I see what you did there Unless it is scheduled stuff, you are expected to file it on A/MR and let a different op handle it (dual control and four eyes principle and all of that). At the very least, leave a note on A/MR for accountability. -- Spiderzed█ 11:23, 30 April 2011 (BST)

Ya, was going to leave a note right aftewrwards but my broswer is running really slowly and I wanted to finish what I was doing in another tab. P.S. why not on IRC? ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 11:47, 30 April 2011 (BST)

Pretty busy this week (as my contribs probably attest). Entering IRC would just tempt me to waste time and not get things done. Hopefully, from next week on my schedule gets a bit easier. -- Spiderzed█ 11:55, 30 April 2011 (BST)

Yes when it's normal gay maintenenace stuff like fixing userspace pages in mainspace it's cool, but please leave a request or note on A/MR in future :| -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 16:31, 30 April 2011 (BST)

Sig

I has vandalized yours Off to Misconduct with me! -- Spiderzed█ 10:22, 1 May 2011 (BST)

Damn you withdrawing bastards breaking my links! ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 17:48, 1 May 2011 (BST)

Ryu

How dare you touch the song

of st

reet fighters?! This is simply unacceptable!!!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ryu (talk • contribs) 12:51, 1 May 2011.

Really?...

...I mean really? ~ _{20:51, 1 May 2011 (UTC)}

It won't break shit; it's subst'd in. █████████████ 20:53, 1 May 2011 (BST)

Breaking shit isn't really what I was referring to. I just didn't really expect to see you behind something like that. Just disappointed is all. ~ _{21:02, 1 May 2011 (UTC)}

Though it does appear there is some technical problem, still. ~ _{21:05, 1 May 2011 (UTC)}

Sweetheart the boys won't like you with all that sand in your vagina. Lighten up. --|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 21:06, 1 May 2011 (BST)

So, what, you're saying I shouldn't help users that contact me? And the problem's been fixed, wouldn't even be an issue if I'd been using it templated. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 21:07, 1 May 2011 (BST)

What's the point of it? Are you trying to point out that there is some glaring problem in the sig policy or do you still think the ops are targeting goons. Or is it just trolling? I'm kind of thinking it's the latter. ~ _{21:17, 1 May 2011 (UTC)}

If you're wondering why Rev is hanging with the goons, look at this page.--Yonnua Koponen ^{T G P} ^^^ 21:19, 1 May 2011 (BST)

Something needs closing. My words never glowed pink before. --Rosslessness 21:21, 1 May 2011 (BST)

It must be your godly powers.--Yonnua Koponen ^{T G P} ^^^ 21:22, 1 May 2011 (BST)

Your inner fabulousity is shining through! Embrace it! --|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 21:23, 1 May 2011 (BST)

As if I needed to gay this shit up any further. --Rosslessness 21:26, 1 May 2011 (BST)

Maybe we just like the fact he's not an absolute douche and knows how to have fun? Food for thought. --|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 21:23, 1 May 2011 (BST)

No, I knew Rev was a goon, I just thought he was one of those upper class goons. Silly me. ~ _{21:25, 1 May 2011 (UTC)}

You fucking classist bastard, I hope you get strung from a lamppost when the revolution comes. --|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 21:27, 1 May 2011 (BST)

"The fully realized man does not identify with the local group."--

| T | BALLS! | 21:30 1 May 2011(UTC)

Revolution. Riiiiight. Who's taking things too seriously now. ~ _{21:41, 1 May 2011 (UTC)}

Still you, fucknuts. --|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 21:42, 1 May 2011 (BST)

It's you. You are. Because at the end of the day, for us this is just a terrible wiki for a silly text based browser game that we happen to be stomping all over. For you, this is your world. And for Raul Julia, it's Tuesday. Or it would be if he were still alive. Which he isn't. And that's a shame because he was an incredible overactor. --|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 21:54, 1 May 2011 (BST)

You'll have to ask them; I'm just helping, here. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 21:55, 1 May 2011 (BST)

Vapor: This morning I went for a walk

Wearing: a pair of gold-rimmed glasses, a battered black felt trilby, a grey scarf, a white shirt, a black designer blazer, a black lined jacket, black silk-lined leather gloves, blue jeans and battered black work boots.

 Based on this, tell me if you can what class I am. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 01:45, 2 May 2011 (BST)

Class Clown? ~ _{02:23, 2 May 2011 (UTC)}

An upperclassman, though. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 02:47, 2 May 2011 (BST)

This pretty much one the stupidest things I have seen in a while. This is pretty much vandalism and the template should be deleted. -- Thadeous Oakley Talk 22:13, 1 May 2011 (BST)

Make the VB case then.--Yonnua Koponen ^{T G P} ^^^ 22:17, 1 May 2011 (BST)

So you don't actually read what you write? Because you're a really fucking stupid person who somehow got into a position you have no fucking clue how to perform. In fact, you're the personification of what's wrong with the wiki. --|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 22:28, 1 May 2011 (BST) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Laughing Man (talk • contribs) 22:28, 1 may 2011 (BST).

Goddamnit

Stop fucking edit conflicting me on my own talk page. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 21:55, 1 May 2011 (BST)

NEVER! --|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 08:59, 2 May 2011 (BST)

leave my fucking boobies out of it!

i've had this image in my sig for years!--    bitch  12:25, 2 May 2011 (utc)

You were a safe example, man! The boobs are and were in no danger. Do you really think I would threaten such a work of art that brightens up everyone's day? ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 12:31, 2 May 2011 (BST)

Template:Nosubst

Just thought I'd clarify my beliefs here in the hope that we don't have to keep going back-and-forth on the admin pages. Basically, templated signatures are allowed and have been for years because they cleanup code and allow signature changes to be retroactive.
Yes, {{Nosubst}} is hack to get around the software but it's a hack which is easier than trying to get Kevan to change the wiki settings and it doesn't particularly break anything.
If we want to ban templated signatures on the wiki, then I believe we should go about it like this:

1. Make a policy on signature length - to prevent the clutter of massive substituted sigs.
2. Make a policy banning the use of templated signatures.
3. Delete {{Nosubst}} after 1) and 2) have been done.

The reasoning: Templated sigs prevent massive quantities of clutter in the page code. The reason that other Wikis can do without them so effectively is that they limit signature length. If we want to do without templated signatures then that should really include a requirement for shorter signatures.

If you just want to get rid of the ugly hack that is {{Nosubst}} then I would suggest we should:

1. Persuade Kevan to add $wgCleanSignatures = false; to the settings file.
2. Delete the template after Kevan has made the change.

--The General ^{T Sys U! P! F!} 13:22, 2 May 2011 (BST)

Ah, right. Well, we effectively have a limit on normal signature length now with the new wiki software version (255 chars, I believe), and a lot of users have already made the switch so as to reduce the load on various high-use pages. Passing a signature amendment policy is probably a better way to go about it, yeah; I was unaware that the original status quo permitted un-SUBST'd templated sigs. (History doesn't go back that far in most cases.) ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 13:36, 2 May 2011 (BST)

Yes, but people can still use templates to get around it. Given that {{Goonsig}} takes up about 9 lines of code then I would suggest that we need a policy in order to actually enforce it. Yes, lots of wiki history is lost by the fact that the history archives are purged, which sometimes makes it difficult to determine why a lot of stuff is done the way it is.--The General ^{T Sys U! P! F!} 13:50, 2 May 2011 (BST)

Here's a thought…

“	What wouldn't be allowed Signatures which generally break the wiki in some way either through formatting or other means.	”
—

Other means, like bypassing an inbuilt software restriction? ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 13:44, 2 May 2011 (BST)

Only problem is that templated sigs don't actually break the wiki.--The General ^{T Sys U! P! F!} 13:50, 2 May 2011 (BST)

Actually, on many occasions they do, they constantly break inclusion limits and they're the only vehicle for signatures that can actually crash pages. There's not really anything good that comes from them, the code spam being prevented has a downside, it's that the limits on code length put in place to prevent stuff like Jedaz's evil text are removed.--Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 13:54, 2 May 2011 (BST)

It doesn't happen that often because most pages are archived off before we get to the limit. As for code spam, I'm pretty sure that the template inclusion limits prevent Jedaz's evil text from working anymore?--The General ^{T Sys U! P! F!} 14:15, 2 May 2011 (BST)

Actually I had to go on a template reduction spree because half the sysops were using templated sigs and breaking the required functionality templates on pages like A/VB. It happens frequently enough that if templated sigs were done away with it would have a noticeable effect on the administration pages at the very least. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 14:09, 2 May 2011 (BST)

Generally no because standard templates do that too, practically yes though. One user tried to use a templated sig to crash pages on load iirc because they allow basically unlimited size inclusions(to a point) they can easily be abused to break shit. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 13:54, 2 May 2011 (BST)

It should be noted that that problem has since been fixed.--The General ^{T Sys U! P! F!} 14:01, 2 May 2011 (BST)

Not so much, just now it takes images I'm pretty sure. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 14:09, 2 May 2011 (BST)

Also, another note: just deleting the page doesn't solve the problem because there's nothing to stop someone just recreating it in their userspace. I'm actually currently considering writing some code so that my sig is substituted in on some pages and not on others...--The General ^{T Sys U! P! F!} 14:01, 2 May 2011 (BST)

If anyone has any hints on how to do this without using parserfunctions then it would be much appreciated.--The General ^{T Sys U! P! F!} 14:13, 2 May 2011 (BST)

{{if equal}} should help but, I think you'd have to use the if template in your user preferences and would likely hit the 255 character limit. You'll want to play around with magic words that determine the namespace. UDWiki is namespace 4. The "ns" magic word you'd use is {{ns:4}} which produces UDWiki. That's probably a pretty good starting point. Basically a if statement that uses one sig if on ns4 and another sig if otherwise. It would be best I think if both sigs have their own template. ~ _{17:52, 2 May 2011 (UTC)}

I think I've got something that works, using {{Switch}}. Code is located here: User:The General/sig/switch. I found that using the "if" statements resulting in the if templates themselves being substituted onto pages--The General ^{T Sys U! P! F!} 18:16, 2 May 2011 (BST)

Testing. ~ 18:10, 2 May 2011 (BST)

Well that sort of works but the {{if equal}} template would need to be NOSUBST'd I think. ~ 18:12, 2 May 2011 (BST)

I tried using NOSUBST on the if equal template in my preferences and I hit the character limit. Maybe it can be trimmed down to work but in theory {{SUBST:NOSUBST|if equal|{{SUBST:ns:4}}|UDWiki|{{subst:User:Vapor/sig}}|{{SUBST:NOSUBST|{{SUBST:User:Vapor/sig}}}}}} should work. ~ _{18:24, 2 May 2011 (UTC)}

do something helpfull for once :P

fix the image size in this template i made {{Kinsh}} --    bitch  22:36, 3 May 2011 (utc)

What's the problem? Looks fine to me. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 23:22, 3 May 2011 (BST)

While you're there, I think there's either a typo in the text of the template, or the template name.--Yonnua Koponen ^{T G P} ^^^ 23:24, 3 May 2011 (BST)

Good catch. Fixed. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 23:51, 3 May 2011 (BST)

spelling and grammars is not my strong point.--    bitch  02:21, 4 May 2011 (utc)

go team friday night in syd

I won double tix to go team in sydney strike bar this Friday, all friends are working. Keen? -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 01:48, 4 May 2011 (BST)

Not sure I can afford the travel; just had to get one bike fixed, and the other's being worked on at the moment. Although maybe I could ride… Hmm. Will think about it.
Also why haven't you added me on FB yet, you snob! ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 01:54, 4 May 2011 (BST)

so picturing the two of you like this --    bitch  02:27, 4 May 2011 (utc)

where did you get that —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Revenant (talk • contribs) 02:31, 4 May 2011 (BST).

I googled Bike Riding Australian fags. bingo!--    bitch  02:35, 4 May 2011 (utc)

WOW looking like that we'd fit in with the go team for sure! -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 04:16, 4 May 2011 (BST)

Any other wiki stalkers interested in going? Grim, Boxy, lookin at you. -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 04:17, 4 May 2011 (BST)

If it's not classical or comedy I don't see Grim even so much as listening to it, let alone leaving his hermit cave and cavorting with other human beings in meatspace. Dunno about The Box.
Pretty sure I can make it if I want to, just want to fit in as much as possible that I wanted to get done up there if I'm going. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 05:00, 4 May 2011 (BST)

Sorry, mate; checked my schedule and I'm flat booked-out this weekend. Definitely email The Box and see if he's keen, and FWIW I am sorry I can't make it this time. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 06:00, 5 May 2011 (BST)

Partyin' partyin' yeah!?--Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 13:34, 5 May 2011 (BST)

On voting for you

I hope you don't mind my reasoning. --Visible One 07:06, 4 May 2011 (BST)

It would seem you've covered all bases! ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 07:23, 4 May 2011 (BST)

Deleting Protections

What exactly were you doing there? Removing the link to Iscariot's blog and first name that you provided? How come all of a sudden? -- Thadeous Oakley Talk 18:43, 4 May 2011 (BST)

I hope you know how to read logs. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 18:48, 4 May 2011 (BST)

Typo

Thanks. I put the c first, but it didn't look right, and I'm downstairs on IE, so I don't have spellcheck.--Yonnua Koponen ^{T G P} ^^^ 21:57, 4 May 2011 (BST)

Welcome! ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 22:09, 4 May 2011 (BST)

Wow

Voting for yourself on BP? Really thinks its going to be that close? Anyway, Im going to be sans l'ordinator for the 36 hours after generals promotion bid comes to fruition, and as our probable next corrupt overlord, I thought Id give you the heads up now. Cheers. --Rosslessness 10:42, 5 May 2011 (BST)

I prefer to lead by example – also, first in, best dressed!
I also coined a catchy slogan and made a handy "how-to-vote" section, in case people needed a hand. To quote Fighter, “I'm a helper!” ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 11:48, 5 May 2011 (BST)

signature

hey bro. Just a heads up that Template:Goonsig contains an image that doesn't comply with the WIKI LAW sig policy because that image is over 50kb.

I'm not sure if you use the image (I'm quite sure I've seen you sign with it occasionally but again I could be wrong) but as the sort of... 'brainchild' or organiser behind the goonsig, I'm giving you a heads up anyway. I've notified those who are using it too as per sig policy. Those who use the signature have a week to change it, I'll let the users of the signature sort it out with you I guess? -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 12:14, 7 May 2011 (BST)

Except that it clearly says "555Manbabies.gif‎ (image/gif, 45 KB, looped, 20 frames, 0.4s)". On the image page. I dunno where you got over 50kb from, so am i missing something here, or have you made a mistake DDR? Serious Post. Please do not silly. |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 01:07, 8 May 2011 (BST)

Katthew fixed it very quickly and efficiently, so it's no longer an issue DW, everything is good now. -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 01:47, 8 May 2011 (BST)

Excellent. And yeah, I signed with it a few times when I was testing it. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 01:54, 8 May 2011 (BST)

Iscariot

“	I think you're barking up the wrong histories, when I left I don't remember asking for Ross et al to delete my user page, although it may have escaped my memory. What I did want deleting was User: Iscariot/Signature, which was done and then stupidly overridden by certain people trying to take a shot at me after I'd left.	”
—. <== DDR Approved Editor

Saving this here for archival reasons. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 11:14, 9 May 2011 (BST)

Just so you know...

...we don't delete pages we put on SD ourselves:

“	In the event of a sysop requesting Speedy Deletion, all the previous points will apply, excepting that a system operator other than the requester shall review and take action on the request.	”
—Speedy Deletions Intro

It be against teh roolz. -- Cheese 12:12, 9 May 2011 (BST)

Replied on Cheese's talk page.

WP:DRUNKEDIT

In Europe, alcolocks for cars are currently discussed. Not sure about the cars, but I'd strongly support alcolocks for computers As for Mehsconduct, I emphasized the Meh for a reason. The team is clearly split and undecided about the issue of off-site requests, so even if some tard actually brings up a case, you'd be extremely unlucky to receive as much as a confused soft warning. -- Spiderzed█ 13:30, 9 May 2011 (BST)

One reason I was so insistent is that he actually knows British law and I'd prefer to avoid Kevan/us having to deal with a(nother) real copyright case. Not that there'd be anything to dispute, a C+D would just about do it.
Also, why are the terminally sober so prejudiced against other states of consciousness? The Curse of Greyface, that's why! ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 13:35, 9 May 2011 (BST)

Yeah, uhm, not really worried about someone suing ud for him posting stuff. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 22:33, 9 May 2011 (BST)

Actually

You reminded me. There's a better way. Just <Noinclude> older bot reports. That was they don't include on the inclusion of the section beyond as the words for the template call. If you subst: them then if we were to do that it would actually add to the filesize on the final inclusion. Saves more space AND allows us to keep the full list. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 01:25, 10 May 2011 (BST)

Good call! Not sure we need to keep it, though, since it's all in the deletion log. Unless we want it for Spambit Hunters or something? ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 01:27, 10 May 2011 (BST)

I'd rather have it as something permanently linkable for standard users on A/M cases tbh. It's just easier to reference. If we do this I may consider adding anchors to the template for ease. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 01:42, 10 May 2011 (BST)

I've been meaning to add anchors to a lot of these templates. We still need to overhaul the CSS, too… ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 02:11, 10 May 2011 (BST)

Hmm, I guess we can. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 02:32, 10 May 2011 (BST)

Got both. (And didn't even ban you!)

This will probably follow me throughout all of my tenure. --Oh, and vote on Project Funny, by the way. -- Spiderzed█ 12:29, 13 May 2011 (BST)

Wikifu question

Heya. I'm wondering what needs to be done in order to set up an image as a redirect, so that when you click on the image it takes you to a specified page on the wiki. I noticed you were doing something like this with those ubiquitous goon templates. The page I'm trying to fix is CAPD. You'll notice those fancy schmancy icons at the top? They used to redirect correctly before the wiki update but it seems that now they don't really work as I originally intended.

Sorry if this is out of left field. I noticed you were on and the wiki fu is strong with you.--_GANG Giles Sednik _CAPD 03:53, 19 May 2011 (BST)

Responded at User talk:Giles Sednik#Image links.

government

I didn't realise the notice at the top before I'd edited so I hope you don't mind me adding a couple of potential cats. -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 04:25, 20 May 2011 (BST)

That's cool, dude. The reason I put that there was to stop people adding themselves or rearranging shit without decent justification/discussion. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 04:31, 20 May 2011 (BST)

History

Hey there my goond fellow! I was trying to look up my history of contribution and it appears that it only goes as far back as may 2008. I know I made more contributions then that. Is there another way to look it up?-- LABIA on the INTERNET ^{Dunell Hills Corpseman} #24 - |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ^TMG 06:51, 20 May 2011 (BST)

No, the wiki's server history was wiped in 2008, so any older revisions or contributions were cleansed from the system.--Yonnua Koponen ^{T G P} ^^^ 08:07, 20 May 2011 (BST)

That said, there are some ways… if you search for links to your userpage, you should find all your signed contributions, and if there's a specific page that you know you've contributed to a lot, such as Talk:Suggestions (as Developing Suggestions used to be known), you can oftentimes find at least a list of contributors via the Internet Archive Wayback Machine, and sometimes even some of your contributions if you're lucky. HTH. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 09:12, 20 May 2011 (BST)

Awesome, I forgot about that nailgun suggestion. -- LABIA on the INTERNET ^{Dunell Hills Corpseman} #24 - |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ^TMG 09:22, 20 May 2011 (BST)

The General's bid

It's been 16 days since The General was nominated for sysop status. This is just a nudge. Have you heard from Ross lately? ~ _{16:56, 20 May 2011 (UTC)}

	FREE COOKIES
	The General has given Revenant a bunch of cookies in order to encourage a fair and impartial decision

.--The General ^{T Sys U! P! F!} 17:04, 20 May 2011 (BST)

I truly wonder how long it would have taken if no one mentioned it :P -- Thadeous Oakley Talk 17:25, 20 May 2011 (BST)

Looks like Ross has been out for 12 days. May need to be a one-man decision.--Yonnua Koponen ^{T G P} ^^^ 17:36, 20 May 2011 (BST)

Is that a good idea? If I recall correctly there was a one crat decision in the past, I think it was Boxy or Grim, but that was a rather open-and-shut bid, this one isn't. Thoughts? -- Thadeous Oakley Talk 17:42, 20 May 2011 (BST)

I have mailed Ross. Give him a day at least before you jump the gun. --Oh, and vote on Project Funny, by the way. -- Spiderzed█ 18:27, 20 May 2011 (BST)

Much better idea. Nice job. -- Thadeous Oakley Talk 19:00, 20 May 2011 (BST)

DDR did one, as did Cheese, and I'm sure there are others. However, it is still fairly rare. An amusing/interesting fact: There was originally only supposed to be one bureaucrat; but we (well, actually, I) screwed up the wording a bit....--The General ^{T Sys U! P! F!} 19:05, 20 May 2011 (BST)

I mailed Ross (presumably) before SZ did (but after he reminded me via IRC that it was about to be due).
Ross said he was “going to be sans l'ordinator for the 36 hours after” The General's bid came due, so consider the bid's running time extended by at least that long. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 23:44, 20 May 2011 (BST)

I'll be the first...

...to congratulate you on a successful crat bid. now don't fuck up ~ _{22:34, 20 May 2011 (UTC)}

and i'll be the first to see you burn in hell! :P--User:Sexualharrison22:35, 20 May 2011 (utc)

Hades, Sheol, Gehenna: which? ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 07:07, 21 May 2011 (BST)

Thank you. You shall be spared. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 07:07, 21 May 2011 (BST)

Please don't :P. ~ _{22:07, 22 May 2011 (UTC)}

Fine. Per specific request, you shall not be spared. Happy now? ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 23:17, 22 May 2011 (BST)

I can slmost smell the liberty. Imma need an ointment for the shackle wounds, though. ~ _{23:35, 22 May 2011 (UTC)}

XYZ.

[1] -- Amazing‽ (UD + WTF = HR) 06:58, 21 May 2011 (BST)

keep an eye on.

Thomasz33 (contribs | logs | block | del userpage | IP Check) & Thomasz34 (contribs | logs | block | del userpage | IP Check) stink of spambits or just a really stupid user making two accounts in under two minutes?--User:Sexualharrison14:20, 21 May 2011 (utc)

Checkuser shows they share the same IP address; it's Canadian, so not too likely to be a spambot. (Which reminds me, we should really start sending abuse reports to the ISPs involved.) ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 14:26, 21 May 2011 (BST)

Rev, you aren't actually meant to reveal checkuser info like this if they haven't done anything, but w/e.--Yonnua Koponen ^{T G P} ^^^ 16:05, 21 May 2011 (BST)

Per policy, didn't reveal anything identifying, but can wipe that if you're worried. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 21:02, 21 May 2011 (BST)

I'm not particularly worried, but it's been ruled misconduct to even reveal that two users are the same user, even if you don't give any IP info. (Unless of course they've been doing vandalism and shit).--Yonnua Koponen ^{T G P} ^^^ 21:08, 21 May 2011 (BST)

In this case, I considered it worth confirming “on the record”, since they certainly appear to be alt accounts and had at that stage made no contributions. (CheckUser info expires after a week, IIRC, so we might not be able to confirm the latter account later.) ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 21:14, 21 May 2011 (BST)

I know, and personally, I think wiki-alts should always be disclosed, but what we're meant to do is just checkuser them and then not post it in the public domain, iirc.--Yonnua Koponen ^{T G P} ^^^ 21:15, 21 May 2011 (BST)

I think with Tomasz33 and Thomasz34, it wouldn't have taken a mental giant to figure out that they are the same person, nor have there been efforts to hide the tracks between both wiki accounts. In the case that got you misconducted, Yon, the user didn't want to see the connection disclosed, and has actively asked me to take care of it because I know the wiki bureaucracy and the proper channels. --Oh, and vote on Project Funny, by the way. -- Spiderzed█ 21:26, 21 May 2011 (BST)

That's kind of bullshit, considering said user had that connection already revealed in the public domain.--Yonnua Koponen ^{T G P} ^^^ 21:29, 21 May 2011 (BST)

Jesus titty fucking Christ Yon! just admit you were wrong and move on.--User:Sexualharrison22:12, 21 May 2011 (utc)

I was wrong, and I'm completely ready to admit that; I just don't want Rev Misconducted for it in the future, so I'm giving him fair warning just in case.--Yonnua Koponen ^{T G P} ^^^ 22:22, 21 May 2011 (BST)

revz is smarter than that. :P --User:Sexualharrison22:23, 21 May 2011 (utc)

Puppies Policy

This policy has been passed with a majority and needs to be enacted. As Bureaucrat, it falls to you to promote User:A Box Full of Adorable Puppies to Bureaucrat and then demote the rest of the team including yourself.--Yonnua Koponen ^{T G P} ^^^ 16:12, 21 May 2011 (BST)

Considering that any vote in the other categories would be "this is a joke policy" it actually didn't pass. It's about 3-4 keeps short of a 2/3rds majority iirc.--Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 20:21, 21 May 2011 (BST)

"The only valid voting sections are For and Against." Reading is good, too. I don't expect it to pass, but if Rev's going by meatpuppeting and stupid votes being a valid tactic (e.g. his BP bid) then he needs to carry it out.--Yonnua Koponen ^{T G P} ^^^ 20:36, 21 May 2011 (BST)

Also, the "Whale's Vagina" header quite clearly says that it is for, rather than against.--Yonnua Koponen ^{T G P} ^^^ 20:37, 21 May 2011 (BST)

Abloobloofuckingbloo. You're just mad people actually think Revenant's competent and no one likes you and want to blame it on "meatpuppet" bullshit. I suppose whatever helps you sleep at night, but it would probably be best for you if you come to terms with the fact that you're a fucking crybaby butthurt moron. --||||||||||||||||||||||||| 22:07, 21 May 2011 (BST)

Hey, you voted for the policy too.--Yonnua Koponen ^{T G P} ^^^ 22:11, 21 May 2011 (BST)

If it removes people like you from the wiki, I'm all for it. Of course that's not actually what I was talking about but that would require you to actually read and comprehend and let's face it, that's something you just aren't capable of. --||||||||||||||||||||||||| 22:14, 21 May 2011 (BST)

Really? Fuck! I meant to vote for myself on that one.
Considering what happened last time someone tried to unilaterally enact a policy like this one, you'd better make sure a majority of the other bureaucrats approve. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 20:49, 21 May 2011 (BST)

You have two options: Do it or get Kevan to put in retroactive anti-Meatpuppetry legislation: The latter of which would mean resigning as crat.--Yonnua Koponen ^{T G P} ^^^ 21:02, 21 May 2011 (BST)

For that crack, I'm demoting you first. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 21:04, 21 May 2011 (BST)

(Also, I hear reading comprehension is good, too.) ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 21:07, 21 May 2011 (BST)

"The person is implied to be analogous to a sockpuppet in function and goals, but a real separate person (i.e. "meat") rather than fictitious." So, basically, exactly what you did?--Yonnua Koponen ^{T G P} ^^^ 21:09, 21 May 2011 (BST)

The funny thing about that is he has shown he'll step in for something like that if he believes it to be serious. We also have that awesome Jorm precedent to lean back on for humorous PDs. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 21:33, 21 May 2011 (BST)

Then can somebody actually make the case, because if we're going to, we should probably do it now.--Yonnua Koponen ^{T G P} ^^^ 21:35, 21 May 2011 (BST)

Technically speaking the "policy" was invalidated the moment it went to vote since the minimum three days discussion was ignored. ~ _{23:48, 21 May 2011 (UTC)}

Hooray for technicalities. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 00:24, 22 May 2011 (BST)

Technically speaking, there is no rule stated that a policy must have three days of minimum discussion. As per How to Start a Policy Discussion: "The policy's talk page. People will be able to elaborate on the written draft, and add their opinions of what should be changed so this draft gets approved by the community. Any policy should remain at least 3 days under discussion before it goes for voting. Any discussion which doesn't go to voting in 2 weeks will be archived." Should ≠ Must. --Akule ^{Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™} 21:13, 22 May 2011 (BST)

As A Box Full of Adorable Puppies has not gone through the normal community approval process for system operator privileges, let alone bureaucrat privileges, I would be in dereliction of my duty as bureaucrat were I to enact this policy.

“	System Operators and Bureaucrats cannot assign promotions unless the request has gone through this page.	”
—UDWiki:Administration/Promotions

ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 23:11, 22 May 2011 (BST)

I can understand not wishing to promote them, however, the idea of the policy was that it got rid of the current system of sysops and bureaurcrats in favor of a single person administration system. As such, it does not go through normal community approval process, because it is not dealing with the currently existing administration system. --Akule ^{Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™} 23:41, 22 May 2011 (BST)

I think you know where to go… ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 00:06, 23 May 2011 (BST)

I thought we were arguing technicalities. :D --Akule ^{Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™} 22:09, 23 May 2011 (BST)

Please show me on the doll where I touched y— err, where I specifically exhorted people to sign up solely to vote for me. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 00:24, 22 May 2011 (BST)

And while you're at it, why not give us your best shot at explaining this one away…

“	Yonnua Koponen is the greatest meatpuppeter of all time! --Sebalius 23:22, 5 July 2010 (BST)	”
—Mayor of Malton 2010 Election

Fuck knows. I'd guess somebody who was meatpuppeting in the Mayor election said it.--Yonnua Koponen ^{T G P} ^^^ 09:46, 22 May 2011 (BST)

And I'll cite This thread on your forum where you Once again pull people who wouldn't have voted over to the wiki to repeatedly vote for your candidate. I'd cite the thread on something awful, but I'm not playing my hand on that one yet.--Yonnua Koponen ^{T G P} ^^^ 09:51, 22 May 2011 (BST)

Damn, glad I did what I had to do to counter Misanthropy in that fail bureaucrat bid. -- Thadeous Oakley Talk 10:58, 22 May 2011 (BST)

Thank you for unwittingly proving my point: nowhere (on the cited links, or elsewhere) did I “specifically exhort people to sign up solely to vote for me” or anyone else. (“What is ‘reading comprehension’, Alex?”) ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 22:51, 22 May 2011 (BST)

Where the fuck are you quoting that from? And while we're at it, why the fuck do you keep calling me Alex?--Yonnua Koponen ^{T G P} ^^^ 22:54, 22 May 2011 (BST)

6 comments up. “Who is the host of Jeopardy!, Alex?” ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 23:02, 22 May 2011 (BST)

I'll take a third option, thanks, Alex. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 00:25, 22 May 2011 (BST)

forced withdrawal precedent. I've protected the page since the voting has closed, but if no ops want to touch it by the end of the day I'll just cycle it as a withdrawn policy. -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 01:22, 22 May 2011 (BST)

According to UDWiki:Moderation/Policy Discussion: "This wiki attempts to work on the same guidelines as most wikis - policy is made by the users, not by the gatekeepers. In light of this, here is the place for people to discuss hot-topics regarding what we should consider acceptable and unacceptable. The community should keep track of what's going on here, and work to ensure that any guidelines or policy statements are indicative of the general mood described here." Technically, the policy discussion page states that policies are decided by the community and not by the sysops, and since there isn't a specific rule/guideline/policy/criteria for removing humorous policies (like we do for suggestions), so its removal shouldn't be allowed. There is a precedent of reverting a policy that changes mid-vote, but that doesn't invalidate the whole policy. If the user wanted the policy to change, then they could either withdraw it to change and cause a re-vote, or let it go through as originally written. Now, I could see an argument of Vandalism, as the creation of the policy could be argued to not be a good faith edit, however, I don't recall a specific policy that the creation of a policy like this violates (after all, the Stop Making Stupid Policies did not pass). If a ruling of vandalism is the case, then one could also argue this edit was not an edit in good faith, as the edit prior to it stated the intent to just mess with the proposed policy document instead of striking the policy (recall a recent case over messing with policy documents). --Akule ^{Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™} 21:13, 22 May 2011 (BST)

BOOM (never change, Akule) --Karloth Vois ^¯\(°_o)/¯ 22:37, 22 May 2011 (BST)

Arguing technicalities is my specialty. ;) --Akule ^{Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™} 22:40, 22 May 2011 (BST)

Our precedent is shitting up admin pages? The right thing to do would have been take him to Vandal Banning but because we aren't robots or gargoyles all the time we sometimes enjoy an odd joke to carry out, even knowing the odd user will be around to claim some sort of legitimacy to the whole thing. And really? Are you really trying to liken my following on with the joke under the voting header, to completely fucking up the entire page even before he added the image (to the actual policy section I might add)? Because the notion is so fucking stupid that I'm not even going to justify it by addressing it beyond this post. For the record, I'm indifferent as to whether the policy passes or not, couldn't get much sillier around here anyways, but meh. It was just a joke, don't see why there's always someone who won't let something die. -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 02:38, 24 May 2011 (BST)

Get off my lawn page, you hooligans! ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 22:42, 22 May 2011 (BST)

is it just me, or did the text get smaller?--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 23:04, 22 May 2011 (BST)

that's what she said... ow, wait, no, damn it!!! --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[talk] [wcdz]} 23:13, 22 May 2011 (BST)

Creating double redirects

I was just looking through Special:DoubleRedirects and it noticed that you seem to have edited User:God Damn Commies, User:GaleStormont and User:Ezcobra so that they redirect to themselves. I was just wondering if there was a reason for this?--The General ^{T Sys U! P! F!} 16:39, 23 May 2011 (BST)

He's clearly a monster. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 16:54, 23 May 2011 (BST)

How on earth did you escape? --Karloth Vois ^¯\(°_o)/¯ 17:01, 23 May 2011 (BST)

Me? The front door. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 17:02, 23 May 2011 (BST)

It puts the lotion on the skin or it gets the hose. --Akule ^{Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™} 22:10, 23 May 2011 (BST)

Clearly. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 22:14, 23 May 2011 (BST)

Brain fart. If you look at my other contribs at the same time, you'll see I was redirecting redlink userpages of active users to their talk pages, if not redlinks themselves. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 22:14, 23 May 2011 (BST)

Notes on signatures

The signatures being used by members of The Dead are clearly intended to irritate and/or obfuscate who is who and frankly the crap makes editing pages far less pleasant. If you want to bring it up in the wiki admin area then do so, but I really don't give much of a crap. So far as I'm concerned it's improving the wiki. --Lord K 05:39, 24 May 2011 (BST)

Is it really that hard to tell who is who? Also, I too care so little about a thing that I go on to fix it multiple times and then whine about it on a sysop talk page.--ебут этом гомосексуальные земля́, ebut ėtom gomoseksual'nye zemlя́ ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||_{Retarded things go here -->} 2 3 4 User:MisterGame 06:04, 24 May 2011 (BST)

You're taking the WIKI LAW into your own hands. In other words, being a vigilante. This has never helped any wiki ever, and in fact, shits them up with massive edit wars. --Fjorn