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Obtaining Historical Status

A policy is in place which outlines the method to attain historical status.

  1. Groups must no longer actively contribute to the game.
  2. A nomination should be made on Category talk:Historical Groups.
  3. Within two weeks of a nomination, the group must be approved by 2/3 of the voters, with a minimum of 15 voters for a nomination to pass. The only allowable votes are Yea and Nay.
  4. Groups that pass will be added to the category as described below.
  5. Groups must allow a week to pass between nominations.
  6. Groups must allow 4 months in between when the group disbands and when they can be nominated for Historical Status. (Note: Only for Malton-based groups)


Nominations for Historical Status

When nominating a group, please add a note to Template:Wiki News and add {{HistoricalGroupVoting}} to the top of the group's page. Also, please add {{HistoricalVotingRules}} under the group's application for historical status.

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Ackland Abattoir

way back in the day, actually right near the beginning of the game, the Ackland Abattoir ravaged havercroft, and Ackland Mall Security with its attacks and tricks. being such a plight to the suburb itself way back when, countless scores of survivors, newbies, and now veteran players fell victim to their tactics. As of right now, this group has been disbanded for quite some time, and only has one remaining member who does not recruit, yet proudly keeps his group status on his profile the same. i remember seeing them shortly before/after the Battle of the Bear Pit. i commune with this remaining member quite often actually, as it is nice to reminisce about the good old days. they terrorized our suburb for a long while, and i believe they deserve the due credit Nuerotoxic2213 19:30, 4 September 2010 (BST)

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Yes

  1. Similar impact on the game as several other groups that have been given historical status - i.e. Shambling Seagulls, the Gray, Ars Requiem. -MHSstaff 06:15, 5 September 2010 (BST)
    Yeah, but only 0.4 of those 3 groups will survive The Great Historical Group Purge. --VVV RPMBG 06:27, 5 September 2010 (BST)
    And let it be a swift and merciless purge when it comes -- LEMON #1 08:57, 5 September 2010 (BST)
  2. Yup. Sadly, pretty much nobody will remember them, so this vote is pretty much doomed, but for my money they deserve Historical. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 16:58, 5 September 2010 (BST)
  3. Yes. I've worked in the area a lot & have met countless Ackland Abbatoir members, although not recently. Seem to remember they smashed the Mall several times, with style. Made quite a impact on survivors & survivor groups in this area. --Jsrbrunty 19:44, 5 September 2010 (BST)
  4. Yeah, they sounded interesting. --Blades 02:48, 6 September 2010 (BST)
  5. Jeez. I'm so sad nobody remembers these guys. I saw the name on the front page, and I was all, "Holy shit, you mean those guys from back when I first started playing?" They were cool :V Cool enough to get my completely meaningless vote. RinKou 01:40, 9 September 2010 (BST)

No

  1. Who? Never heard of you. --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 19:57, 4 September 2010 (BST)
  2. See Thad's reason. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 20:16, 4 September 2010 (BST)
  3. I'm gonna have to go with Thad on this one. -- Emot-argh.gif 20:21, 4 September 2010 (BST)
  4. Their news have been regularly updated for, what, 2.5 months from May to July 2006? They better should have made a hell of an impact during that quarter year they've been actually active. -- Spiderzed▋ 20:23, 4 September 2010 (BST)
  5. Thad nailed it.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 20:25, 4 September 2010 (BST)
  6. bad -- LEMON #1 22:52, 4 September 2010 (BST)
  7. Fixed your link in case in helps your bid, but I've followed the goings on of most of the important PKer groups in Malton and have heard of these guys only in the briefest of asides. They never lynch children, babies—no matter what they do they are whitewashed in advance 22:56, 4 September 2010 (BST)
  8. Thad nailed it. Also, if their leader is still around and hasn't disbanded it, I don't know that this meets rule #6 of the policy. —Aichon— 23:51, 4 September 2010 (BST)
  9. As Yonnua. --VVV RPMBG 00:06, 5 September 2010 (BST)
  10. This might be the worst nomination ever. --Papa Moloch 01:07, 5 September 2010 (BST)
  11. I browse the wiki quite a lot to read about Malton history and I've never heard of these guys.-- Rolfe Steiner Talk | Creedy Guerrilla Raiders 02:18, 5 September 2010 (BST)
  12. Fail. I thought actual in-game impact was a prerequisite. Criminally Insane Talk | LoD
  13. I have no idea who these guys are. --Huntress 07:33, 5 September 2010 (BST)
  14. As Thad.--Mallrat The Spanish Inquisition TSI The Kilt Store TKS Clubbed to Death CTD 17:04, 5 September 2010 (BST)
  15. Sorry but never heard of you or your past glory --DiSm ~ T 17:58, 5 September 2010 (BST)
  16. Why? You were post-Ackland Damien falcon 22:06, 5 September 2010 (BST)
  17. Who? Asheets 00:01, 6 September 2010 (BST)
  18. I know nothing of your work --Zensaga 01:00, 6 September 2010 (BST)
  19. Not historical --Papa Johnny 08:46, 6 September 2010 (BST)
  20. As Aichon and Rolfe Steiner. --Maverick Talk - OBR Praise Knowledge! 404 21:15, 6 September 2010 (BST)
  21. as moloch----sexualharrisonStarofdavid2.png ¯\(Boobs.gif)/¯ 23:03, 6 September 2010 (BST)
  22. No. According to their files, they have done very little in regards to noteworthiness. -- SDN 12:05, 8 September 2010 (BST)
  23. After carefull thought, deliberation and a perusal of the historical records, the Blob has rendered his verdict: No. --Dr summeroff 00:17, 9 September 2010 (BST)

PTT

It's been ages since I've seen any of the members active, and it's also been ages since I've seen them on the stats page. The group was made up of a bunch of members on a Taiwanese bulletin board system under the same name of the group. They came into existence in late 2006, and held strong until early 2007 (from what I know, at least). Their base of operations was situated around Shearbank. They've reached over 200 in weeks, took a small part in Battle of Blackmore, and were a major force in defending Shearbank from Shacknews after Shacknews came in and ravaged Blackmore. If anything, they were probably the largest group whose players originated from Taiwan. And believe me, their presence gave Malton a good feel of having a mixed-culture population, especially since the majority of the players in Urban Dead speaks English.

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The only valid voting sections are Yes and No. If you wish to abstain from voting, do not vote.

Yes

  1. Yes - Those were good old days, all right, and these guys were a big help in many major sieges back then. If you ask me, Shearbank should have been renamed to China Town due to the large Chinese speaking population stationed there. ;) --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 16:28, 3 September 2010 (BST)
  2. Yes - The name rang a bell, but the wiki page brought it all back. Certainly deserve it.-- Adward  17:02, 3 September 2010 (BST)
    Heh. Remember when the SysOps of old thought the first few users trying to create the group page were adbots? xD --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 17:06, 3 September 2010 (BST)
    My lurker memories of old remember that :3 -- Adward  18:57, 3 September 2010 (BST)
  3. Yes --User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 17:29, 3 September 2010 (BST)
  4. Yes - Their page is even in the top 10 most visited on the wiki, and for good reason. —Aichon— 18:52, 3 September 2010 (BST)
  5. Yep --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 18:54, 3 September 2010 (BST)
  6. Yes - A great group. Redoubt 19:40, 3 September 2010 (BST)
  7. Yes - They did their part. -- Rolfe Steiner Talk | Creedy Guerrilla Raiders 03:40, 4 September 2010 (BST)
  8. Yeah - As a long time resident of Shearbank, I have seen them often in the past. Left a good impression. --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 10:12, 4 September 2010 (BST)
  9. 200+ members and over 447,000 group page views! If they were still active they could boss Malton.--Mallrat The Spanish Inquisition TSI The Kilt Store TKS Clubbed to Death CTD 17:06, 5 September 2010 (BST)
  10. These guys were cool! They deserve an award for the group that was something that will never be seen again :( --DiSm ~ T 18:01, 5 September 2010 (BST)
  11. Yes --Zensaga 01:03, 6 September 2010 (BST)
    Yes - i remember --~~~~ [talk] 22:27, 17 September 2010 (BST) Voting had closed

No

  1. No - I always assumed they got their page views via bots, I never thought they were actually a group. --VVV RPMBG 23:27, 3 September 2010 (BST)
  2. No - Too much zerging and not enough actually doing stuff for my taste. --Papa Moloch 00:22, 4 September 2010 (BST)
    I'll have you know PTT handled their cheating members personally. I've witnessed their executions of their cheaters first-hand. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 00:36, 4 September 2010 (BST
    Then they'll have 'executed' enough people for it to qualify as genocide. Further, a far as the actual game goes, they were big but irrelevant. The latter damns the former. --Papa Moloch 14:28, 4 September 2010 (BST)
  3. NO cheating zerging fucks heads. that did nothing at all in game. zero.!----sexualharrisonStarofdavid2.png ¯\(Boobs.gif)/¯ 04:27, 4 September 2010 (BST)
    Is there any actual proof that they were zerging? --Shatari 12:25, 4 September 2010 (BST)
    Yes. Cross reference any member with the list in the second and third posts of the Zerg Liste thread. Then use the search button to search for that character's name. All additions to the zerg liste are the result of someone submitting evidence to Resenz. It's then evaluated by the Zerg Liste staff. If someone's on that list there's a 95% chance they're a legitimate zerg. The other 5% are coincidental mistakes. The system is not perfect, but if you don't get yourself off the list you're assumed to be a zerg. As it stands several members of PTT are still on the list, and are still being listed. So yeah, they zerg and there's evidence of it. Any other questions? - Goribus 08:35, 8 September 2010 (BST)
    Ye- if 99% of them don't speak english, how do they get off? What does Resenz to for international speaking ud players? -- LEMON #1 11:56, 8 September 2010 (BST)
    That's not Resenz' problem DDR. There are legitimate non zergers on the list, but until they take the effort to go to Resenz to prove otherwise they're still going to be on the list. Also using the not speaking English excuse isn't really valid. Especially since the RDD has about 25% or more members from Europe that speak English as a second, or in some cases, third language. If the 1% of the group that does speak/read English can't go to Resenz and play interpretor for the rest of the group it's no one's problem but their own. If you want them off the liste then go and contact them and tell them what they'll need to do. Had she not taken a leave of absence I'd ask our own Asian member to go and talk to them assuming they speak the same language. Ours speaks English and Chinese, but I think she also speaks German and maybe French. She was a smart girl that one. - Goribus 10:34, 10 September 2010 (BST)
    How does this list work? Do the users compare IP addresses, or is it simply "similar sounding names"? How wide spread was the alleged zerging, and was the majority of the group made aware of it? Further, were any members of the group informed that they were on the list in a language that they could understand? It's easy to accuse someone of zerging, but it's unfair to do so without proof. Can you link to some proof please?--Shatari 17:51, 10 September 2010 (BST)
    For listing purposes a number of criteria is used. Similar naming habits, profile writing styles, creation dates, etc. Everyone that gets listed (or not) is done so because someone went to Resenz and posted a screencap/dumbwit/iwit/etc. It's then evaluated by the Zerg Liste Staff. For purposes of de-listing it's as simple as posting screenshots/dumbwits/iwits showing that the characters are seperated. In the case of mistaken identity deals the owner of each character must go to Resenz and post there for IP verification purposes. As the people that staff the Zerg Liste are moderators and admins for that purpose they can look up IPs of the people posting. From there IPs can be matched against known proxies and more or less pinpoint where said person is posting from. No one tells them that they're on it, as I've said that's not the Zerg Liste's problem.
    Had you used the link I posted you would see hundreds of names on that list. Also a fairly detailed post about how the list works, how to get off of it, how to post to it, etc. The amount of time for listing, investigating, delisting, etc. is fairly high enough as it is. How is one supposed to track down a specific character to tell them they've been listed anyway? Hmmm? As for showing you proof? Go fuck yourself. I don't need to prove shit to you if you're too lazy to do the work yourself. I can't be fucked to track down some mythical memberlist for dozens of random characters and do individual searches to prove to you that someone was listed. Sorry, but I have a life outside of this game and I'm not going to waste hours of my life to win some stupid argument on the internet because someone's so dense they can't do research for themselves. - Goribus 03:15, 11 September 2010 (BST)
    I was told it was standard to be told you were executed for zerging as per the Zerg Liste in game when someone killed a perpetrator of zerging. Do you yourself not follow this practice then? -- LEMON #1 03:35, 11 September 2010 (BST)
    Sure, when I'm zerg hunting with a breather and run into a zerg. The zerg liste copy paste is in every kill taunt. But to go out of my fucking way to randomly inform what is literally hundreds of people they're on the list? Yeah, that's not going to happen. You're being naive to think anyone would go out of their way to track down each and every person on the Zerg Liste to tell them they're on a list. Not to mention it's imfuckingpossible to do so. Go ahead, and try to track down just one random player that isn't associated in the meta-game. I dare you. See how much time and effort you're going to waste to track down one single solitary person playing a single random character. I don't staff the Zerg Liste, I hunt from it and I'm in the ZHU. ZHU =/= Zerg Liste Staff. - Goribus 07:50, 11 September 2010 (BST)
    I don't remember me saying that. Do you remember me saying that? -- LEMON #1 14:06, 11 September 2010 (BST)
    Wait, so you're accusing a group of being zergers, and then you're mad when someone asks you to provide some form of evidence? Have you ever heard of "Burden of Proof"?--Shatari 03:58, 11 September 2010 (BST)
    He already sorta linked you to where said evidence is. They never lynch children, babies—no matter what they do they are whitewashed in advance 04:09, 11 September 2010 (BST)
    But there's no real evidence there, just some names on a list, devoid of all context or evidence (for what little is needed to get on the list in the first place). The only evidence is that there are players in the group allegedly on the list (Goribus isn't willing to list any names, so I have no reason to assume it's true) and someone allegedly accused them of zerging at some point. Since the only way they can be cleared is to respond to some random list on the internet in a language the majority of them don't speak, it's unlikely that they were ever aware of the list. The site can only view IP addresses of people who actually post on that forum (which is coincidentally the only solid evidence that can be brought against inconspicuous zergers), so he's not even linking to real evidence. Linking to a page with thousands of names and saying "See? PROOF! Don't like it? Fuck you! Prove me wrong!" is not very convincing and does nothing to shift the burden of proof.--Shatari 06:05, 11 September 2010 (BST)
    You are the dumbest mother fucker I have ever met. Do not breed. Ever. - Goribus 07:50, 11 September 2010 (BST)
  4. Was going to not vote because I had some idea that they were before my time, but I specifically remember seeing these guys with about 200 members before I found their wiki page for the firs time. This is a vote towards the fact they they've been huge for years and yet I'd never seen or heard of them in-game at all, not once. Yeah, they're cute and it's great that this established UD as an international game that transgressed language barriers, yada yada, and I won't mind if they do become historical for that reason. But I still can't find myself supporting it. -- LEMON #1 11:00, 4 September 2010 (BST)
    I don't wanna vote either side, so don't consider this when tallying up the votes, but I echo DDR's sentiment that a group that big should have had a greater in-game relevance than they did. Their impact wasn't small, but it was 99.9% based on what they were, not what they did. I'm decidedly undecided about this one but I feel that my reasoning is worth pointing out. They never lynch children, babies—no matter what they do they are whitewashed in advance 13:46, 4 September 2010 (BST) this was originally an abstain but historical voting policy states there may only be yes or no, so I removed the header and placed it up to the rest of voting. -- LEMON #1 14:52, 4 September 2010 (BST)
  5. Murdered these guys over and over and over again. Most of their members were just standing logins. Did I mention the LoD wiped the floor with them when we only had 12 members? Oh, and I forgot the zerging thing. It's great and all they had 200 something profiles at their peak, but again, merely profiles. Where did the real gamers get to? Criminally Insane Talk | LoD
  6. No - I spent ample time in Shearbank as both a LUEmbie and a PKer, and I personally never saw them do anything aside from revive a few people (mostly their own members). In fact, the only thing I really recall about PTT was the zerging. --ZiPbeep boopMH+LUE 06:04, 5 September 2010 (BST)
  7. Nah, even though I remember these guys and am familiar with Shearbank, they didn't leave a real impression on me or anybody I know. --Huntress 07:38, 5 September 2010 (BST)
  8. KEKEKE ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 17:00, 5 September 2010 (BST)
  9. Didn't even know they existed --Damien falcon 22:08, 5 September 2010 (BST)
  10. No but heard of them. --Blades 02:49, 6 September 2010 (BST)
  11. As moloch --Papa Johnny 08:46, 6 September 2010 (BST)
  12. No - Although the irony of Asian zergs makes me laugh uproariously. -- Goribus 08:35, 8 September 2010 (BST)
  13. No. Their only contribution was having a large Asian-based group. -- SDN 12:06, 8 September 2010 (BST)
    That's not true. They made wiki contributions as well! Their group page translates all the important playing references into Chinese, something that the Chinese-speaking users on UDWiki will be able to understand more easily! --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 03:51, 15 September 2010 (BST)
  14. Communing with the Cosmos for days for guidance on this vote, the Blob finally appeared before me, shaking his gelatinous head in the negative. --Dr summeroff 00:21, 9 September 2010 (BST)

Voting has closed. With 11 For and 14 Against, PTT has Failed to achieve the 2/3 necessary for historical status. —Aichon— 23:12, 17 September 2010 (BST)

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