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Axe Hack

• Axe Hack (talk | contribs | UDWiki contribs | vndl data)

Since his last bid, he has strongly shaped up in the janitorial department. It's now regularly him who does the unloved task of cycling the admin pages each month. (A task that would also run much smoother if he had himself the necessary Protection buttons to deal with the scheduled stuff.)

His other big new janitorial contribution is the project Very Funny Or Not, which tackles one of the most badly neglected backwaters of the wiki and also shows his leadership ambitions.

Apart of that, he is still going strong as a community member and event organizer. Having him on the op team would be a boon, as he offers an unique perspective, while still proving that he's ready to get his hands dirty when necessary.

I strongly hope he will accept this one. -- Spiderzed▋ 04:09, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

The first thing I wanna see on the net when I wake up and have a cup of joe nearby is not something that will make me spit out my cup of joe because it caught me slightly off guard because somebody said not to expect a nomination until the weekend. Now that my spill has been cleaned...Like the previous time, I'm going to wait a week before I decide if I wish to accept this or not. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 14:02, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes, on second thought, I decided to go a bit earlier. There already four days between the closing times of the two latest bids. At worst, the crats need a couple of days more due to workload (which would just be the same result as holding back the bid.) -- Spiderzed▋ 15:19, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

• Vouch. See the bid text for my reasons. -- Spiderzed▋ 04:09, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
• Vouch - I was very resolute in my stance against Axe in his last bid, but he immediately stepped up and started doing beautiful things around the wiki, and it was then I knew that he could be a good op. -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 04:23, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
• Vouch - i've been playing with the little gook for like forever.. sure why not. anyone but thad.----sexualharrison ¯\()/¯ 04:39, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
• Strong Vouch - Massively active, makes good edits all around and stays perfectly neutral when necessary. If he accepts he would be a major asset to the sysop team.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 08:26, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
• Question Have you any experience of sysop/adminship on other wikis? --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 11:52, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

  There was the Dealt in Lead wiki before it went offline, and I am currently an Op on the newer Battle Row wiki. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 14:02, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

• Vouch Will be nice to see how his sense of humour works as sysop. --Honestmistake 15:37, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
• Vouch Has proved competance over on the battle row wiki--^TCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 16:20, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Candidates currently under community discussion

Spiderzed

• Spiderzed (talk | contribs | UDWiki contribs | vndl data)

Experienced user, does good work as a janitor. Speaks up, and makes good points. Good all-round qualities. Not perfect, but no serious faults that couldn't be fixed. Can work in any section of the wiki. I think he'd be a great Op. Honestly, if your active on this wiki you'll have seen Spiderzed in action plenty of times. We could use some sysops anyway, since we are a bit low on them. Get this guy in. I have a feeling he'll get plenty of vouches. Don't prove me wrong here community. --Thadeous Oakley Talk 13:49, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

As I said already on Thad's talk page, I'm not so sure that a.) I'm qualified to be a sys-op, b.) that there would be substantial community support for me and c.) most importantly, I actually need or want op buttons. I'll first need some time to think about it and watch the community input before I can definitively accept or decline this bid. Keep this especially in mind when you put up Questions for me - I might not answer them timely. Not because I won't watch this bid (I will), but because I first have to mull myself over my potential future sys-op business a bit. -- Spiderzed▋ 14:03, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

OK, Vapor and Yon, you've convinced me. I accept the nomination. While op buttons aren't something I crave and need every day, there's still the odd case where I could use them, as with the protected Template:Banneduser where a link to Vandal Data would have been more useful, but I was limited to asking for a change. Or my combat with the Cornholioo sockpuppets here and there that could have been much easier with a temporary block. Of course I'd also branch out my daily gnomeing routine to areas as A/SD and A/MR, and would offer a quick second opinion on blatant A/VB cases (and an educated opinion on the rare more controversial A/VB or A/M case). But you shouldn't expect the revolution to come when you vote for me, just my usual routine with a few more options. -- Spiderzed▋ 19:48, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Well, in the first case, you should probably have commented on the talk page even if you were a sysop.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 20:11, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes, discussing it first would have been the polite thing to do (and the route I'd have gone). It would still have allowed me to follow through myself as soon as their was clear support for the change. -- Spiderzed▋ 20:17, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

• Vouch Obviously. Never had a problem with him too. A conversation was kept in mind when putting him up --Thadeous Oakley Talk 13:49, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
• Vouch Sounds like an accept to me --^TCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 14:18, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
• Vouch You remind me of Vapor. And I saw the currentminute2 thingy you did. Mull it over as much as you want, just don't take two weeks or your bid'll close. ;P -- †  talk ? f.u. 14:25, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
• Vouch - Do it too it brotha'. And mull some wine while you're at it, always helps me to make clear decisions. =B --_GANG Giles Sednik _CAPD 14:28, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
• Irrelevant Question - Are you a man or a woman, because it's been giving me problems in conversation before?--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 15:32, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

  While a surprising lot of folks have told me in PMs and on IRC that they think of me as female, I'm actually male. Probably because my by far most visible alt (my Cobra PKer) is female, while my male alts either are idled or try to keep a low profile as a death-cultist. -- Spiderzed▋ 15:37, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

  I don't really know, because I was ready to give a somewhat weak vouch, but then I saw that you used your "vote" on Giles' bid essentially to flame me, and I don't think an attitude like that would really be good on the sysop team. I don't think it's good to be trying to put down users not even involved in the discussion at hand. Other than that, you've been largely good (you might have needed a month to simmer, imo, but you're decent enough) so consider this a hearty Abstain --Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 15:42, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

  I didn't mean to pick you for flaming, but as a recent example of someone having weird opinions on A/VB cases. (Your questioning of Ross' checkusering on one of the blatant Izumi wiki alts comes to mind.) -- Spiderzed▋ 15:52, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

  Umm, sorry? That didn't happen. The case you're thinking of wasn't Izumi, and I said at the time I didn't think it was Misconduct, I just thought it was what I had been MC'd for. And it wasn't exactly a weird opinion, MHSstaff said the same thing.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 16:05, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

  Checked back, it was indeed the Zombieman11 fiasco, which happened around the same time as the Izumi heap. My bad, must have confused the cases. (Although I still think that the reasoning was weird.) -- Spiderzed▋ 16:09, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

  Don't worry about it, it's no problem. It's a good sign that you can admit your mistakes.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 16:12, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

  By the way, since my abstain seems a whole lot more negative than it actually is, Spiderzed would be good because he's a good janitor, etc. and was the ninth most active user in 2010.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 19:11, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

• Vouch - I can confirm that he works well with others --THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 17:41, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
• Vouch - See how he does on the job. -MHSstaff 17:50, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
• Question - What specifically is holding you back from accepting your bid? I think your an exemplary user. You obviously know what you're doing. You actively contribute to admin page, do a lot of janitorial work, and generally make the wiki a better place. So why the hesitation for considering promotion? ~ 18:55, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

  Mostly not being sure if I want op duties after having seen some burn out in their time as ops, particularly as I rarely need the buttons to do what I do on the wiki. At least I'd be a bit dumbfounded right now at the usual question of "What do you want op buttons for?" but for the obvious points as "To maintain A/SD".
  However, this bid goes surprisingly well - I'd have expected a lot of more Abstains and Weak Vouches, as I didn't consider myself as a prime op candidate. If this overwhelming support continues for the remainder of the first 24h, I think I have little choice but to accept. -- Spiderzed▋ 19:08, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

  Just accept and judge how you feel about it after a couple of months. You can always resign if you don't like it.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 19:11, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

  Abstain - But reluctantly. For the points I made above I think you'd make a good sysop. Above all, though I think one needs to want to be a sysop to be a good sysop. I don't think community support should be one's primary reason for wanting promotion, though. If you decide that a promotion is something you'd like, then you can expect that I'd happily vouch for you. If you do as Yon suggested and just went in with an open mind about it then I'd happily vouch for you. If you want to go on doing great work on the wiki as a regular user, I completely understand and won't try to persuade you otherwise. ~ 19:33, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

  Vouch - I think Spidey would make a great addition to the team and glad he decided to accept the nomination. ~ 20:59, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

  Yeah, I wouldn't base this on your perception of community support. Do this only if you really want to do it, or if you feel that there is a need for your services. Otherwise, its not worth getting burned out on. -MHSstaff 19:40, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

• Reluctantly Against for similar reasons to Vapor. I have no problems with you yourself and you do a good job but wanting to become a sysop is one of the criteria for promotion after all. -- Cheese 19:46, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
• Against im with Vapor....shame really because you seem honest enough --C Whitty 20:18, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
• Vouch - On the condition that he change his sig (EDIT: he doesn't actually have to; I'll vouch either way, but I'll vouch harder if he changes it to something better, maybe). I dunno why, but I am NOT a fan, and I kid you not, it has actually negatively affected my opinion. I have no clue why, and it's totally irrational. Go figure. Other than that though, I agree with the rest of the comments. Exemplary user. Level headed. Does great janitorial work with little notice or reward. Just the type we're looking for in the role of sysop. He'd be perfect if it weren't for that sig and the way he kinda tried to hedge his bets here with accepting the bid. ;) —Aichon— 20:25, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

  I noticed the hedging too, but I don't consider it the worst thing in the world, given some people's irrational hatred of people wanting the job.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 20:43, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

  Oh, it's definitely not a big deal for me. While I do consider it ideal if a candidate is aware enough of the wiki community to know when their name is being bantered around for a possible nomination and that they would decide in advance whether or not they are a good candidate and would want to accept a nomination, it's by no means a deal-breaker if they'd like some reassurance first. Everyone can be a little unsure of themselves at times, so it's entirely warranted that he'd do that. Hell, I'd probably have done it too for my own bid if Iscariot hadn't threatened to A/PM me so many times that I knew I needed to prepare my thoughts for that eventuality. —Aichon— 20:55, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

  In all honesty, the actual bid has hit me a bit out of the blue, and I'm still quite puzzled at the support (that I didn't expect, at least not that wide-spread). Apart from Trips edit comment some months back and a bit of bantering with Mis on IRC about potential future op candidates, Thad's comment on Giles' bid was just the third time for me to be directly mentioned as an op candidate. I'd first have expected a promotion for Trips (and maybe some more vacant spots in the current team) before things get actually serious for me. -- Spiderzed▋ 21:37, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

  Frankly, I think the next few people to be promoted should probably be the two currently up, Axe Hack and MHSstaff (These four names taken from a cross of my activity-ma-bob and the fact that they do lots of good edits). I also expect several others to run but not make it in the mean time (anyone not mentioned above who helped with GSGM, other than giles, who should be promoted but will refuse).--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 21:41, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

  Really? I could've sworn I've heard your name bantered around at least a half dozen times in the last few months. And strangely enough, going back through my talk page, I found references to myself, Yonn, Giles, Maverick and Rorybob being listed as potential candidates back in December 2009. So...yeah. These things can stretch back a ways sometimes, but you've definitely been discussed, and I've never really seen it as a queue that needs to be processed in order (where one person has to be promoted before others can be), so much as a pool that gets drawn from as folks are willing and able. —Aichon— 23:00, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

  Considering Rorybob and I both ran in November 2009, that's hardly a surprise. :P Then Rorybob said something like he only wanted the power and decided to never run again. I quit Urbandead for 3 days and played Diablo instead, until SA inspired me to return on IRC.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 00:26, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

• I can vouch for Spidey. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 21:41, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
• Against. Sorry, but I don't particularly trust Spiderzed to be an objective judge in cases where his personal interests or in-game affiliations come into play. G F J 22:36, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
• Vouch ooooooh, not sure if I completely trust him, but only because I don't know much about the user behind the actions. I dig spiderzed though, an odd but good worker. -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 23:36, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
• weak vouch anybody but thad. and I like that fact that he didn't seek the position. makes he seem more genuine. and I love nazi hunters. ----sexualharrison ¯\()/¯ 02:38, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
• V-V-V-VOUCH. Doesn't even need an explanation, in my opinion. As long as he stays the way he is, s'all good. --Ash  ^{|  T  |  яя  |} 09:41, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
• Vouch --^A_O^R_D^M_O^P_R^I _! ^T 20:58, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
• Question Whats your response to GFJ's comment? --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 20:08, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

  I am pretty opinionated, lean heavily towards the anti-survivor side in UD and have not the best opinion on certain groups and individuals. This includes DEM, which seems to be GFJ's concern, particularly along with this VB case. (In hindsight, I used the wrong tool (A/VB) to deal with the right problem (the removal of useful information on a mainspace article). Fortunately, it has been resolved now by GFJ returning to the Metagaming article and expanding the DEMon parts, leaving the article even better than it was before.)

  However, I consider it as hugely important to separate wiki duties from my personal opinions, preferences and affiliations, and to enact them as impartially as possible. This would become even more important when I actually gain the power to potentially disrupt other users by such means as deletions or escalations.

  Of course, it is very easy to talk about such virtues, but at times very hard to act on them. So rather than to blather on, I'd point at instances where I actually have done so: I even helped Cornholioo with formatting woes, interlink technicalities and informing about incoming VB cases - and the DEM hasn't earned nearly as much ire of mine as Cornhole has. -- Spiderzed▋ 20:39, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

  Probably about even. Follow Up. What's your favourite page on UDWiki and why? --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 20:50, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

  That is clearly the Guides page. If there is a single page that has been the greatest use to me as an information resource for UD, it is this one. It's also the greatest show of potential that there is for this wiki, by providing a bridge between a.) the purely descriptional resource pages as the suburb maps or the skills descriptions, and b.) multiple people acting independently of each other to do their own thing, teach each other their insights into UD and helping them to become better at the game. It plays directly at the strengths of a wiki system, makes this wiki a better place, and along with Category:Player Resources it's the most useful and accessible thing to casual UDWiki users that there is. -- Spiderzed▋ 21:08, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

• Against -- The fact that you seemed to be waiting for popular support before accepting (hedging your bets, as mentioned above) has me doubting whether you should really have this position. Trying to get a position because you can is very different than trying to get it because you want it. You display no true eagerness for the tasks, apart from to speed up own ideas/conflicts. You do good janitorial work but I don't really feel you need the extra buttons to continue doing so. As you admitted you are heavily biased towards a specific style of in-game play, I'm not sure you could be trusted to be objective when it comes to issues concerning a conflict involving said playstyle, or using information gained to further your own agenda. I know you believe that you could keep the in-game and the wiki seperate, but you would for example have access to checkuser, which I would not trust a user with who could easily find him/herself in a conflict with other users over ideology (not quite the word but it will do). Caesar Salad 23:33, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

  Specifically privacy (including checkuser) is something I care strongly about. I brought up one misconduct case and one VB case about these matters, and won't tolerate any privacy violations, neither by myself nor by others. That's the kind of shit that can damage people beyond the wiki and affect their real life. (On an unrelated note, would you mind to tell us how you found out about that bid? It seems a bit hard to believe that someone registers on the wiki the other day, learns about promotions as first thing and then brings up a comment about it that references facts from all over the wiki history and is flawless as far as formatting goes.) -- Spiderzed▋ 19:30, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Thadeous Oakley

MisterGame (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Time to give this another go.

It's been at least half a year now since my last serious attempt. (I highly recommend reading it). Most of what I said there still stands. I haven't changed that much as a person since then, and if I would tell you about my history, or who I am I would be pretty much repeating my previous bid.

Ever since then I have continued my activity, in again most of the drama-prone areas. And drama there has been, some of which I was personally involved. Still I handled myself during those times well enough I believe. Again, referring to my old bid, experience in A/A, A/VB and A/M since 2008. I'll say what I think, directly and honestly. There have been some moments, especially in my troubled past, where I was a bit too compassionate leading me into (personal) conflicts but I put those times past me. I try to be open to criticism, but in the end the skill that I deem most important to have in drama sections, is the ability to get along with people you just had an incredible heated discussion with. To overcome each others disagreements is the key to any sort of harmony and respect needed in a community of any sorts. This issue was certainly something in the last six months. If you want to compare me to the other sysops, I have somewhat common ground with probably...DDR (hope he doesn't feel offended now) minus a lot of (life) experience. Not because I necessarily always agree with him (I don't) but more in his approach of things. Moving on:

I chipped in here and there with some paper work contributions. Deletions, protections, created a policy (that was eventually shot down) fixing some stuff. However, as a janitor these things were mostly minor, and certainly not anything spectacular. I'll always do my share of this stuff, as regular user and as potential sysops, but I'm not going sugarcoat this, I'm nothing more then average as a janitor.

Not much has changed, and you may ask yourself if that's good time considering my last bid failed. Well, I think I did actually almost nailed a promotion last time. Grown a bit wiser too. Not to mention my vandal history is now...history. My last infraction being in December 09, I think I have overcome most of my devious flaws. Still not perfect, never will too, but I think I can handle the job and responsibilities.

Sincerely, --Thadeous Oakley Talk 11:52, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

P.S There are 2 small activity gaps in my contributions from the past 6 months. These were real-life related. --Thadeous Oakley Talk 11:52, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

• Question Why do you want to be a sysop? --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 14:08, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

  For pretty much the same reasons last time around. I still would like a more prominent voice on the admin sections, curious how I would do it as sysops, be an asset to the team, and if won't work out likely demote/early re-evaluate myself. You may wonder why it took so long since my first attempt, and the truth is, I do too. Time has flown, and so much happened during that time both here and in real-life I guess lost track of my ambitions for a while. It was trouble finding a good moment too, but yeah here I am now. --Thadeous Oakley Talk 15:06, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

• Follow up. How have you dealt with the issues raised in your last two appearances on this page? --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 15:58, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

  Two main issues I could find was lack of paper work/janitor/maintenance and some people (Like Boxy, but he wasn't the only one) were still a bit of worried about past mistakes (see vandal history, conflicts, zerg etc). I think I have firmly proven the latter to be a thing of the past. I handle myself better in drama, I don't think I have a conflict with anyone (right guys?), no vandal infraction in over a year, no cheating etc.
  

  As for the former, I tried to tackle it by doing more helpful tasks. I did some varied stuff but like I said, it's not my most exceptional quality. I don't consider that bad though, I have done a share over the months in pretty much in any section and I know how these systems work. Might need to pull the leeway card though. --Thadeous Oakley Talk 18:22, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

• Question How do you feel you've fulfilled the following criteria, particularly the section I've bolded?
• Prior interest in maintaining the community.

We define this as clear evidence that the candidate is already performing maintenance tasks and taking leadership roles on the wiki. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 10:57, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

• Question - I've given off in the past about absenteeism (cf/General, Cheese). Do you forsee these absences being a repeated occurence or just relative one-offs? 15:08, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

  Not entirely sure what you mean here. The General is unlikely to ever return after his demotion, (pretty obvious he was only here for the powers) as for Cheese, well, his absence was repeated at least once after his last re-evaluation. On his current evaluation I'm slightly leaning towards keeping Cheese to his promise by letting him prove his activeness as a regular user.
  

  As for the issue of absence itself, some people don't mind but some do. I know I do mind. If your inactive for a long period of time, then just demote yourself. If you're not here you don't need the powers. All that happens if you don't resign and you come back after months, you'll likely have missed important stuff, don't recognize the new faces, you got rusty, and generally lost touch with the community. Trying to carry on like that is asking for mistakes. While if you did resign, and you were truly a capable sysops this wouldn't happen. Example: Linkthewindow, great op back in the day, comes back and reacquaints himself with everyone, does a few tasks here and there, and goes up for re-promotion within 3 weeks. No problem, and the issue of absence doesn't play a role. --Thadeous Oakley Talk 15:39, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

  I meant your own inactivity - is it likely to continue, or is it pretty much done with? I was simply referring to the others to show I've a history of not tolerating it. 16:20, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

  Oh! Well I don't think going up for promotion only to be inactive works, so yeah pretty much done with it. Also those 2 periods lasted 2 weeks? Certainly not months, and I actually still checked almost daily, it's just that I didn't had the time for discussions. If it ever came to something like months, I'd demote myself for that time period. --Thadeous Oakley Talk 18:22, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

• Against - Looking through your contributions of the last few months, you hang out a lot on the opinion pages, but do little maintenance. There would have been the perfect opportunity right now to get back into the janitorial stuff with GSGM11, which you completely missed but for adding some blank lines. A sys-op is a janitor first and foremost, an area you direly need to get back in to be an asset. Get your hands dirty for a bit and return then. Not a minute earlier. -- Spiderzed▋ 16:54, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

  Thanks for reminding me of that, there was something I wanted to do relating to the GSGM, namely moving a talkpage discussion which I forgot. As for the actual work, this is a silly excuse, but before I managed to look into it, most of the work was done, and almost all group were contacted. Which is impressive, considering the thing started 2 days ago. But you're right, I'm haven't done too much maintenance. Like I said in my statement, it's a weak point. I can promise improvement, I'll certainly use protection and deletions powers, but that's not doing anything for my bid now, and you're free to against, but I wouldn't call it an all defying trait. --Thadeous Oakley Talk 18:22, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

  SE-3 and parts of NW-2 are still up for grabs. And I'd actually call a lack of janitorial activity an all defying trait for a prospective op, because maintenance should be 80+ percent of what you should do with your op buttons. -- Spiderzed▋ 18:30, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

  Not what I saw. NW-2 and SE-3 just haven't been claimed yet by respectively Mis and Maverick. I can try checking after two weeks and help with clean-up, but that's beside this discussion. Anyhow, you're right, you aren't always ruling, you'd be doing a good bit of maintenance as a sysops. But it's easier to protect and delete stuff, then it is to rule. Don't get me wrong, janitoring is hard enough work, taking patience and time. But it's not as easily learned as maneuvering through the minefields of A/VB and A/M. Precedence, understanding of rules, ethics, (im)partially, policy and of course conflicts, it takes a while getting your head wrapped around it. I guess I'm kinda the opposite of Vapor there. --Thadeous Oakley Talk 18:50, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

  Fuck I can't read. Scratch that first bit, mistook the 2010 template for the one of 2011. --Thadeous Oakley Talk 18:52, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

  Have seen that you have now jumped on the GSGM bandwagon. I mulled about changing my vote, but I've decided that I explicitely won't change to Abstain or Vouch, but will stick with my Against. I shouldn't have needed to tell you to in the first place, but as a sys-op, you should pro-actively detect and fill out such gaps, rather than to have others nagging you and pulling you on the nosering to janitorial work. After this show, I have serious doubts that you will keep up the actual work, but am rather under the impression that you will start again to slack as soon as you have the op title in your pocket, only to break out into another surge of janitorial activity no sooner than the incoming A/RE. I'd feel far, far more comfortable if you would have a continuous track record of janitorial work. If you need ideas on that, look here. While day-to-day maintenance on UDwiki is well served, there is still enough stuff in that list that suffers regularly from slacking, such as creating the new A/VB and A/SD page and archiving the old one each month, cycling old DS/Developing Guides, cycling old suburb news or cycling outdated recruitment ads. Of course, they are all served right now... Which is just another reason to let you better wait for another few months to see if you keep up the work, rather than to decide solely on your current surge. -- Spiderzed▋ 19:08, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

• As Spidey, except this is an Abstain. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 18:05, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
• Promote - I'm actually going to mostly agree with what spiderzed said. You should really get involved in the janitor stuff, as any active member of the community should. But I think it would be fun to see you mucking about in A/VB as I'm sure you wouldn't be afraid to go with your opinions there. Also if you're this committed to running for sysop you should be given a chance to show your stuff. Good luck to you, sir.--_GANG Giles Sednik _CAPD 20:12, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
• Vouch - I wasn't ready to offer a vouch last time, but I am this time. Thad has been a constant and helpful voice in the admin sections for many months now. When he has an opinion on a matter, he isn't afraid to voice it, and he's capable of acknowledging when he misunderstood something or simply made a bad call, which are both absolutely invaluable traits. He doesn't disagree just for the sake of disagreeing, and has offered a lot of useful insight into various matters. His janitorial work could use some improvement, sure, but, I'd trust him with the admin section already, and we could use another voice or two on A/VB, honestly. —Aichon— 20:22, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
• Vouch - See how he does on the job. -MHSstaff 21:14, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
• Vouch - Thad's a good guy. He knows what he's doing, and he's certainly restrained himself a lot where he might not have done a year ago. Brilliant example of a user who's reformed and is now the ideal sysop candidate; active, cares about the wiki, willing.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 21:29, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
• Vouch - Actiive member of the community, been around for a reasambly long time as well.--^TCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 22:37, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
• Voooouch - I mulled things over, looked at contribs and the old vandal cases. Seems like Thad has matured a lot and I think he can be trusted with the buttons. He speaks his mind and I respect that. He's active and has been active for some time now. I wouldn't mind at all having him on the team. ~ 07:15, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
• Thad is the type of person who screams at me "trying too hard". Either you have the personality to be a mod, or you dont. He doesn't. I would trust him with admin duties, such as deletions, or moves... but not oversight pages like A/VB or A/M, and it seems obvious that they are the areas he is most interested in. He has an opinion on everything, and far too often they are poorly thought through -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 13:42 25 January 2011 (BST)

  No offense, but I call bullshit. Personality? We have seen so many different people handle the job over the years, it's just a joke to think that persons couldn't handle the job, just because they are who they are. Regarding point deux, it's exactly the opposite; most things I do are thought out so extensively it's almost a disease. I took me an hour to write my promotion bid. I over-think so much making it almost a weak-point. Anyway, I can't help it if you disagree with most that I say, but this is an issue of different perspectives we have, certainly not one of poor thought or "personality". --Thadeous Oakley Talk 20:01, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

  Yes, personality. You have the type of personality that brings out the worst in people, and doesn't have the capacity to walk away when you're just making things worse... ie. the "overthinking" thang -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 10:08 3 February 2011 (BST)

• Against. No offence, you do seem to edit quite a lot and are quite active, but 'making arbitration cases for the sake of amusing themselves (Aka "Joke")' says it all for me. The last thing the wiki needs is another gun jumping humourless sysop. --Ash  ^{|  T  |  яя  |} 18:21, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

  Not that I'm implying current sysops are humourless, more I've encountered my fair share that were in the past. --Ash  ^{|  T  |  яя  |} 18:46, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
  

  Perhaps I was a bit rash in my actions, however from experience stuff like you did tends to grow out of control. I do like a bit of mischief from time to time, but not of that kind, and preferably not on admin pages; It creates a mess, which the team then has to clean. --Thadeous Oakley Talk 20:01, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

  Mess? You obviously not seen the first joke Arby case of Misanthropy vs Axe Hack... --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 21:41, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

• Vouch --^A_O^R_D^M_O^P_R^I _! ^T 21:13, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
• Question - What is your favourite biscuit? Please note that as a meatpuppet, I make up a key voting demographic. --Karloth Vois ^¯\(°_o)/¯ 21:27, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

  Meatpuppetry means dick in A/PM, but regardless, I'm a fan of chocolate and cheese biscuits myself. --Thadeous Oakley Talk 21:56, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

  Meatpuppets are a key voting democratic. Nothing happens on this wiki without the meatpuppet mafia allowing it to happen. I must know, because I am Karl's meatpuppet. -- Spiderzed▋ 19:08, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

• Against You want the title so it gives you a greater say but that is the wrong reason and explicitly against the idea of this wiki's sysop status. Sysops are supposed to be janitors 1st, being a voice of authority should come waaay down the list. --Honestmistake 18:25, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
• Vouch seems like he really wants it, who am I to turn down a positive nature --C Whitty 22:09, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
• NEVER mistergamer is a zerger. someone who wants more responsibility around here? broke the one real rule we have? lousy cheater. i don't care how help full you have become, you can't handle real drama, i disagree with anything you say 90% of the time. fuck you! can't wait to see all the umbrella meat puppets, i wonder how many were you're alts?.----sexualharrison ¯\()/¯ 15:21, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
• I was kind of reluctant to write here, mostly because of my sheer inactivity between his last bid and this one. Anyway, I'm basically going to retype what I wrote last time - Thad's a good guy, he's been an asshat in the past, but still has the best interests of the wiki at heart, and would make a good sysop. Read what Aich said, as I agree with that as well. This "vote" (note quotation marks) also carries the condition that Thad, if promoted, replaces the main page with "Europeans, don't forget to VOTE" in large, blinking text at the next EU election . Linkthewindow  Talk  14:40, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

  I'll definitely campaign for next European election although 2014 is still far away. I'll keep your suggestion in mind, seems worth the escalation. Looking back at last time, my campaign sig was ugly and probably quite annoying so I have something to make up for. .--Thadeous Oakley Talk 16:03, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

• Delete Vouch - Yeah why not. He's improved greatly since his last bid and I have no reservations over him having the extra buttons. -- Cheese 15:38, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
• weak against - we have some okay candidates that I think would make better ops than Thad. Only wanting to have the power so his opinion to have more weight isn't the best reason for ops, and I'd know because my third bid was mostly about that and it split the community pretty badly. While I don't often have a problem with thad's opinions, I tend to think the best ops are the ones with both, or one of either two qualities; they are proactive in maintenance tasks and maintain a large workload, or they are very good at staying neutral and logical in day to day conflicts/issues of any size. Since I don't really consider thad to do either, I'm worried about how he'd be as an op. Since no one like thad has really been promoted, I'm not completely certain how he'll be so in reality I'm more indifferent than you may think, but unfortunately since his workload and motive remind me a lot more of our older less favoured ex-ops, my hopes aren't particularly high just now, though I won't be unpleased if proven wrong. -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 10:42, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

  You say I'm not neutral or logical. How do you mean? And what exactly are you worried about if I would be Sysops? --Thadeous Oakley Talk 11:06, 30 January 2011 (UTC) --Thadeous Oakley Talk 11:06, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

  in layman's terms.. he said you were a dick. i second that.----sexualharrison ¯\()/¯ 13:58, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

  You just jump into every fray on the wiki. And the only reason you want op position is so when you jump into the fray your punches are heavier. I don't remember ever having someone in your situation promoted. Even conndraka had more going for him when he applied. A big thing about promotions is trust and I'm not certain you'd be a favourable mod within 6 months time, that is all. I could be wrong and very easily at that, and I won't mind if I am. But those are my thoughts. -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 00:03, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

• Against - For being a buttfucking faggot. Sincurely yours, --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS I jizzed in my pants pr0n} 20:28, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

  seconded. ahh how i've missed you sonny.----sexualharrison ¯\()/¯ 04:35, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

  OMFG! Sonny thinks you fuck butt. That's so totally relevant! -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 10:04 3 February 2011 (BST)

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