User talk:Rosslessness/Persons Of Note

A CLARIFICATION

This list is more about ingame characters, than wiki mastering superfools. --Ross^WHO????ness 08:09, 14 July 2012 (BST)

When I log in once every two years, people are all like: "AMAZING? IT'S A PARTY!" -- ™ & © Amazing, INC. All rights reserved. Replying constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. 18:01, 14 July 2012 (BST)

yeah you have an ousting like grim and its like that. Probs best to get used to it. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 13:05, 15 July 2012 (BST)

Immediate Stuff on Persons of Note

Greetings dear wiki friend. Simply put this is my attempt at creating a who's who of Urban Dead, and as such I'm looking for 20 or 30 characters who have had a lasting impact on UD.

The page itself is protected, but feel free to add nominations below.

Other than that, I'll add stuff as people convince me. Userspace and all that.

Cheers --Ross^lessness 18:41, 11 July 2012 (BST)

Suggested format for Entries

==Ron Burgundy== [[File:RonDrag.jpg|right|thumb|Ron Burgundy ]] Ron Burgundy ([http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=26370 profile link]) was the leader of the [[Channel 4 News Team]]. He helped lead them into glorious battle on numerous occasions, including the infamous [[Battle of the Bear Pit]] and [[Battle of Blackmore]]. Ron participated in the [[First Siege of Caiger Mall]], and indeed almost every historical event prior to his retirement in 2008. His love of [[Suggestion:20071110_Pac_Man_in_Malton!|PacMan]] is well recorded, as well as scotch. Legend suggests his final resting place is somewhere in [[Ackland Mall]] [[User:Ron Burgundy|This link]] should tell you more about Ron.

Bump

There's talk happening over at Category talk:Historical Groups#TX. See list there for ideas. Or, ya know just continue discussing it here. ~ _{18:26, 8 July 2012 (UTC)}

Qualifications?

Just wondering what would qualify a person to be noted here? :) -- Johnny Twotoes 22:37, 10 July 2012 (BST)

suggestions, really. Its not a hard and fast list. --Ross^lessness 22:48, 10 July 2012 (BST)

I nominate Johnny Twotoes! Dude's been playing for over a week now. --Paddy Dignam^{IS DEAD} 23:28, 10 July 2012 (BST)

PKers / Bounty Hunters

Any thoughts on entries for that?
As a general thing, game mechanics make it so that only survivors and zombies really have an impact on a suburb, while the contributions of PKers and BHers are small and short-lived (cheap revives, no AP draining by meatshielding/ruining etc.) Still, "the third side" is a popular and distinctive feature of UD, so it should have at least a couple of token entries. Sirens could be a good pick (founder of Red Rum, the biggest and most important PKer group of long term), as could be one of the founders of the Philosophe Knights (who have definitively put their very own spin on the whole PKing business, and have been doing that for a long time now). As for BHers, no real idea for singling anyone out. -- Spiderzed█ 19:05, 11 July 2012 (BST)

Its a fair cop, and as someone who doesnt involve this facet of the game, one I'll need most help on. --Ross^lessness 19:10, 11 July 2012 (BST)

Sirens and Karloth would be good examples of noteworthy pkers. Particularly that are known around the rest of the game. Sirens is less notable for a number of reasons related to meta-drama and relative quietness for years. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 21:15, 11 July 2012 (BST)

Thanks. Only thing left after that to look at is the big fish in the small ponds. --Ross^lessness 21:43, 11 July 2012 (BST)

Murbulskond. 01:36, 12 July 2012 (BST)

Bob Hammero, Jimbo Bob, Anton Howard...Hail ASS! :D --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 01:41, 12 July 2012 (BST)

Canderous Ordo (for causing DORIS to transform from a random collection of people with Resenz Forum sigs into the PKer equivalent of the Freemasons, and using this as the basis for some massive PKer events/wars.)

And now the names of all the Philosophe Knights who've had an effect on this game:

...

There are a tiny, tiny handful of people who've played this game with enough effort, outreach, time, and sheer dumb luck to have an actual lasting effect on more than 10 people at a time. The Founders of the PK? You can't even put a name to any of them without research. Seriously, folks. You guys are scraping the bottom of the barrel with a lot of these 'notable' people. --DT^PK 05:40, 13 July 2012 (BST)

Yeah, pretty much that. Though I'm not sure Canderous would make my list, DORIS as a group, sure. Canderous individually maybe not. If I had to list any Sonny identity it would be either Sonny Corleone or his pre-RRF survivor(this one is the more likely of the two). --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 06:11, 13 July 2012 (BST)

Oh, can I nominate myself? I revitalized the Malton Manhunt with my own strings of events that bought the community together for a glorious fun time of killing each other for sport. It was my events that bought the Manhunt era into it's golden age, after all. :P --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 04:20, 12 July 2012 (BST)

I would imagine

...if you are doing just 30 you will need to be conservative but I would think that Jensonson and Bullgod should make the cut. On the more debatable side, I might suggest Josh Clark and Leon Silverblood. Josh's merits were discussed by many in the recent group vote. Leon would be more controversial. He has a lot of detractors, but like him or not, he has been around for a long time and had his fingers in a lot of pies. He is a case of someone who is more known in game than on the wiki I think. DJ talent might also fit for notoriety in his field as would Hibernaculum. -- Albert Schwan  _{Thursday, 12 July 2012}

Josh Clark and Bullgod, yes. Jensonson, maybe. The others, nope. Is there something you can point me to that would explain their inclusion? -- _{Org XIII} ^Alts 04:11, 12 July 2012 (BST)

Never heard of any of them other than Bullgod, who certainly deserves a place. --WanYao 09:24, 12 July 2012 (BST)

Rationale for these is similar to that provided for Duke D'oeuvre below. If they are persons of note, I would think it would be more useful if they were still active. Otherwise they are points of historical reference rather than a who's who of who you might meet. Historic accounts like Josh or Bullgod are only relevant for their legacy. Still relevant but I would say less so than those like bub who still crop up from time to time or those like Leon who have remained constantly active. As below, if this is not what this list is trying to do, let me know and I will stop. I would prefer for that to come from Ross though as it is his list.-- Albert Schwan  _{Saturday, 14 July 2012}

leon are you fucking kidding me?--User:Sexualharrison22:31, 12 July 2012

Harrison, are you a real person or a bot that randomly generates irrelevant statements and outrage? I wonder sometimes. -- Albert Schwan  _{Saturday, 14 July 2012}

Only Bullgod on that list is even worth considering in the slightest. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 06:02, 13 July 2012 (BST)

bullgod, my rambunctious neighbor, how I adore thee. --Paddy Dignam^{IS DEAD} 06:52, 13 July 2012 (BST)

Harrison is a real bot, not sure how you count that. As for Leon, your reasoning is he has basically been mediocre but he's done it for a long time? This is going to be a long list with lots of unimportant players if constantly active is good enough. -- _{Org XIII} ^Alts 21:07, 15 July 2012 (BST)

Katthew

I nominate Katthew. Nobody can really deny how ingrained in UD that SA has been. From The Many to DARIS, UTF, New CoL, The Dead, The Malton Globetrotters and The Dead 2.0, Katthew was there. Katthew was all up in Desenz and maintaind the PK list for a long while. I beleive she even helped ressurect the board after it went down and eventually moved to Resenz. I keep expecting her to spring out of the dark shadows one day to make us all her bitch. Katthew is definitely a person of note. ~ _{03:19, 12 July 2012 (UTC)}

Yes. 18:52, 12 July 2012 (BST)

Seconded, pretty much. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 06:03, 13 July 2012 (BST)

I've read enough on this wiki to come about her name more than enough :) YES -- Johnny Twotoes 17:37, 14 July 2012 (BST)

Duke D'oeuvre

Missed him on my last post -- Albert Schwan  _{Thursday, 12 July 2012}

Much as I love this man, how does he fit on this list? --DT^PK 05:42, 13 July 2012 (BST)

He never left. And no.--Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 06:08, 13 July 2012 (BST)

I offered him here because Ross is putting together a list of persons of note. The "did he change the game" dynamic seems to be a holdover from the discussion on historical status. Duke D'oeuvre has been around, racked up a respectable kill total, been associated with most of the more notable PKer groups(including the PK and Redrum), but most importantly, his notoriety comes from his consistent personality and character design. Also, he is still active which makes it more worth while to current players to include him on a list like this. If UD is treated as an RPG rather than a strategy game, Duke D'oeuvre is one of the interesting characters who seem to be an active, notably unique, and semi-permanent feature of it's landscape. Were I a new player, I would want to know if I was standing in a room with him. If that is not the type of candidates this list is seeking to recognize, if it intends to utilize in whole or part the mired qualifications of historic status, or if it intends to focus on strategy rather than role-playing, then merely inform me now and save yourself many similarly arrived at suggestions in days to come. -- Albert Schwan  _{Saturday, 14 July 2012}

That's it? I somehow doubt that this measures up to Jorm, Bullgod, and Burgundy in terms of 'notable'. --DT^PK 01:27, 14 July 2012 (BST) EDIT: Much less the 'Lasting Impact on the Game' that Rosslessness is looking for. --DT^PK 01:34, 14 July 2012 (BST)

Does every entry need to? Also, in some ways, personalities like this are more notable in that they are still around to notice. A who's who is just another history book if all the entries correspond to people who are already dead. It certainly does not let you know who to look out for for one reason or another.-- Albert Schwan  _{Saturday, 14 July 2012}

Nope --WanYao 01:45, 14 July 2012 (BST)

I might be wrong, but Rev in general seems to have made a decent meta-game impact, but I'm not sure that could be tied to a single alt. Meta-celebrity, yup. But not what this list is...I think.-- _{Org XIII} ^Alts 21:09, 15 July 2012 (BST)

Duke is his PKing alt. He led Red Rum with it, has led one of the most exclusive PKing groups (LCGHC) with it, I believe led the PKA with it, and has been a Philosophe Knight with it (at a leadership rank, no less), all at the same time. To say the least, most of the things he's famous for are directly tied to that alt. His other alts are admittedly well-known in their own circles (he leads a MOB strike team, led a mass combat revive with an often-quoted catchphrase at Blackmore 4(04), and gets around in BHer circles quite a bit), but this one is easily responsible for the vast majority of his notoriety since it's been the channel through which most of the big things he's done have occurred. The majority of the big PKing happenings in recent years can be tied directly to this character in one way or another. —Aichon— 22:00, 15 July 2012 (BST)

Jorm

Duh. --WanYao 09:22, 12 July 2012 (BST)

Yes. 18:52, 12 July 2012 (BST)

Seconded. Jorm is a force of nature. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 06:04, 13 July 2012 (BST)

Thirded. --Paddy Dignam^{IS DEAD} 06:50, 13 July 2012 (BST)

Uncle zeddie

Lol #grimjoke D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 14:17, 12 July 2012 (BST)

^ i approve--User:Sexualharrison16:12, 12 July 2012

Wasn't he nominated for historical and there was a big shitfit about it? Where can I find that? --Paddy Dignam^{IS DEAD} 16:45, 12 July 2012 (BST)

On the corner of every street, on the face of every child. User:RadioSurvivor may be a good start --Ross^lessness 16:52, 12 July 2012 (BST)

I can't find the historical bid. --Paddy Dignam^{IS DEAD} 18:47, 12 July 2012 (BST)

Look in the misconduct archive under Grim's file. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 02:34, 13 July 2012 (BST)

And where the fuck might that be, Australian motherfucker named after a stupid game that only girls play? (I don't actually know if you're from Oz, but it's a pretty good fucking bet in this place. Also, I've had a bit of Maker's Mark.) --Paddy Dignam^{IS DEAD} 05:23, 13 July 2012 (BST)

You guessed right! Dont know if it's that much of an insult, but anyway, go to A/M in the search bar and go to archived and follow the links to Grim_s in 2008 D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 13:09, 15 July 2012 (BST)

Uncle Zeddie was awesome and probably the single most interesting person in this game, no joke. Zeddie + Jorm + Ron Burgundy + Petrosjko for this category. Fin. --Karloth Vois ^¯\(°_o)/¯ 18:14, 12 July 2012 (BST)

Part of me wants to say no but I can make an argument for this. He's not like the others, he did control the public eye for quite some time though. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 06:05, 13 July 2012 (BST)

You want to lick him, don't you? --Paddy Dignam^{IS DEAD} 06:49, 13 July 2012 (BST)

Uncle Zeddie, for sure. His impact on the "culture" and community of Urban Dead was immense. --WanYao 07:21, 13 July 2012 (BST)

I am going to put him on the list, not because of the grim stuff, but because of the broadcast stuff. I went through a lot of the broadcasts last night, and they are still all available, as well as some other good blog stuff. It's interesting and adds a lot to UD. Does anyone have his actual profile ID? --Ross^WHO????ness 09:35, 13 July 2012 (BST)

That's a secret. ;) --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 14:08, 13 July 2012 (BST)

MICHAEL CORSAIR i used to have it somewhere but i must have cleared it out to make room.--User:Sexualharrison14:11, 13 July 2012

Update

There will be no actual definitive number for this, and also I'll try to update one character a day. --Ross^lessness 18:56, 12 July 2012 (BST)

Vandar

http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/User:Vandr --User:Sexualharrison22:13, 12 July 2012

Not even close. He's a wiki-celebrity which tends to heavily imply lack of notoriety. --—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Karek (talk • contribs) 06:07, 13 July 2012 (BST).

that's like you're own opinion man.--User:Sexualharrison14:13, 13 July 2012

who? --WanYao 01:40, 14 July 2012 (BST)

Goolina

Lol is like hot and stuff and gives me nudes D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 02:35, 13 July 2012 (BST)

Jennifer Thrush before Goolina, yes? --Paddy Dignam^{IS DEAD} 05:16, 13 July 2012 (BST)

Goolina's an old friend and mostly awesome, and Thrush is a scary, scary lady who could compete with Akule in terms of sheer evidence-gathering correctness, but neither of them even come close to others on this list, like Jorm. --DT^PK 05:44, 13 July 2012 (BST)

Stop flirting with me, Tom. What is with you people? --Paddy Dignam^{IS DEAD} 06:46, 13 July 2012 (BST)

She did found the Gore Corps, no? And with an alt was a founding member of the the Quartly? She's quite significant, but not in the same category as people like Jorm, Petro, Ron Burgundy. --WanYao 01:42, 14 July 2012 (BST)

not a founding member but she did merry him in real life.--User:Sexualharrison22:43, 14 July 2012

Finis Valorum

For all the wrong reasons D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 02:36, 13 July 2012 (BST)

No, and I hate you. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 06:06, 13 July 2012 (BST)

I'm not listing all those profiles. --Ross^WHO????ness 09:38, 13 July 2012 (BST)

No. --WanYao 01:42, 14 July 2012 (BST)

I love you so much kark D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 13:03, 15 July 2012 (BST)

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Covetous Shen

Because EVERYBODY LOVES SHEN!--Shortround }.{ My Contributions 11:49, 13 July 2012 (BST)

shutup new guy--User:Sexualharrison14:14, 13 July 2012

Yeah, Get Out. This is Serious Business. There's not even anyone playing UD at the moment with that name. --DT^PK 14:36, 13 July 2012 (BST)

Who? --WanYao 01:42, 14 July 2012 (BST)

Amazing

Seriously, what the Hell? The most hated man in the history of Urban Dead has to nominate himself? Travesty! Heresy! Mustardseed! Aside from being a drama bomb of epic propotions and being a part of all the hot Caiger Mall seiges back in the day and leading THE group that kept Darvall Heights a safe zone for a wide timespan and THE group that kept over one billion survivors from starving, there's also the matter of the Sacred Ground Policy, Binoculars, Billboards, Feeding Groan, Other Things, and a UD clothing system that appeared immediately after the clothing system on Hell Rising. Also, being an integral part of early wiki history, including creating the numbered vote system (no, really) and probably a butt-load of other crap. Amazing was PKing and Griefing BEFORE it was cool. Back when you had to walk up hill in the snow just to register a the name of your enemy with a I in place of the l and smear their name throughout Malton. Miscombitration, witch hunts, it's all because of me. PEOPLE LITERALLY THOUGHT I WAS GOD. Bah! Baaah! (I appreciate your vote.) -- ™ & © Amazing, INC. All rights reserved. Replying constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. 04:47, 14 July 2012 (BST)

Also, what about how I pioneered editing pages instead of using preview?! -- ™ & © Amazing, INC. All rights reserved. Replying constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. 04:50, 14 July 2012 (BST)

	OBJECTION!
	This user has an objection.

--•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 04:51, 14 July 2012 (BST)

COCKPUNCHING BALLBLASTER ATAAAAAACCCCCKKK!! -- ™ & © Amazing, INC. All rights reserved. Replying constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. 04:55, 14 July 2012 (BST)

i think not.--User:Sexualharrison05:09, 14 July 2012

Welllll... then it's not actually a Persons of Note list, but a poopularity contest. lol look how I spelled that. :) -- ™ & © Amazing, INC. All rights reserved. Replying constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. 05:13, 14 July 2012 (BST)

You may buy my vote. ~ _{05:18, 14 July 2012 (UTC)}

Standard gold in basket, or are things about to get really weird really fast? -- ™ & © Amazing, INC. All rights reserved. Replying constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. 05:20, 14 July 2012 (BST)

The cost shall be 4x Misconduct cases and 1x sarcastically written human-powered, pedal-driven vehicle essay. Cheap. ~ _{05:49, 14 July 2012 (UTC)} 05:49, 14 July 2012 (BST)

I think we have a deal if paddleboats suffice. -- ™ & © Amazing, INC. All rights reserved. Replying constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. 06:06, 14 July 2012 (BST)

Pedal powered Zeppelin--User:Sexualharrison12:23, 14 July 2012

Oh, the inanity! -- ™ & © Amazing, INC. All rights reserved. Replying constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. 18:00, 14 July 2012 (BST)

who? --WanYao 18:32, 14 July 2012 (BST)

Maybe I imagined it all? -- ™ & © Amazing, INC. All rights reserved. Replying constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. 19:44, 14 July 2012 (BST)

As much as everyone loves to hate on Amazing, I was actually thinking of putting him forward. He was indeed the leader of a historical group, he played a role in the early sieges of Caiger Mall, and he did point out a few other in-game ideas that he had a hand in. His claim isn't entirely without merit, so it shouldn't be dismissed outright, regardless of his wiki shenanigans. —Aichon— 04:03, 15 July 2012 (BST)

What's his lasting ingame significance? Are those groups still around, as a powerhouse? Did he introduce a tactic which is currently a cornerstone of Survivor life? --DT^PK 05:06, 15 July 2012 (BST)

I don't see these guidelines being applied to other entries. Most notably the eternally loved Ron Burgundy. You could essentially copy/paste Ron's listing and swap out the links to create the "lite" version of an Amazing blurb. Besides, the fact that there's opposition to a clearly influential character/player only amplifies their "Person of Note" status. After all, if "Amazing" weren't "of note", would anyone here have replied to the masturbatory self-nomination? :) -- ™ & © Amazing, INC. All rights reserved. Replying constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. 06:35, 15 July 2012 (BST)

Most of the replies appear to be your own. On the other hand, this is a wiki. When someone posts something it must be replied to or else not all is right in the world. --DT^PK 06:40, 15 July 2012 (BST)

Oh, BERF. The number of my posts here have nothing to do with my original point. Let's not get all silly. To be fair, I can just answer straight-up, though. The groups I ran and/or created were still around years after I was banned here and left the game, and are both in historical status. As for tactics, I mentioned the SGP thing (I logged in recently and found the most zombies in my area waiting in a cemetery) and probably other stuff. Really I think that one's huge enough to just stop there. -- ™ & © Amazing, INC. All rights reserved. Replying constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. 06:43, 15 July 2012 (BST)

SGP is pretty big, as he pointed out. Otherwise, I have no intention of arguing for him. I merely wanted to push people past the "let's blow off Amazing because he's unliked" stage. Dismissing him is fine, so long as it's for valid reasons. I'm mostly staying out of all of this since I have no real interest in it and even less firsthand knowledge of the people involved (with the exception of Jorm, perhaps). —Aichon— 09:02, 15 July 2012 (BST)

Thanks. I don't necessarily care as much as it would seem (I came by and saw this page in recent edits and figure it'd be fun to make some noise) but it's always kind of disappointing when folks so obviously play favorites. Again, it's no big deal, so playing favorites is actually not a problem - let's just admit it happens. I would think being disliked is actually a check mark in my favor. No less than three groups were created ingame just to find and kill me as a group. I proudly snap my suspenders. -- ™ & © Amazing, INC. All rights reserved. Replying constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. 22:41, 15 July 2012 (BST)

Actually, looking at the current list I notice that with the exception of Ron and the expected entry for Kevan, it's shaping up to lean toward the standard gallery of faces oft revered by the community. Zombies and PKers and so on. This post serves no actual purpose and is probably a figment of your imagination. -- ™ & © Amazing, INC. All rights reserved. Replying constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. 07:29, 15 July 2012 (BST)

Snipewulf

Less known than most names on the list, but the founder of the first large zed horde: The Undying Scourge (although its contemporary, The Many, has recieved more attention) -- Johnny Twotoes 17:49, 14 July 2012 (BST)

Jim Phil

He wasn't big on the wiki, but he was big on happy hour. I nominate Jim Phil, who started the The Burchell Arms Regulars with just a dream and a really, really severe drinking problem. Without him I'd probably be in rehab right now. You know, rehab? Where quitters go? Jesus Sante ^CFT 04:30, 15 July 2012 (BST)

xyu

the guy behind the Mall Tours, nuff said --hagnat 19:43, 15 July 2012 (BST)

I'd sign on for that. WARLORD XYU! --DT^PK 22:17, 15 July 2012 (BST)