User talk:Rosslessness

| Main Page | Talk Page | Characters | Random Ramblings | The Difference? | Click the + button at the top of the page (between edit and history). To leave a message. Everything random, I've archived.... First Fuck you Yon! --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 18:43, 12 November 2010 (UTC) First guest.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 20:27, 12 November 2010 (UTC) I can't think of anything clever to say. 22:33, 12 November 2010 (UTC) Duck Hunt Do you still plan on running the Duck Hunt event? If I run an event starting the second week of February, will it interfere with your plans? ~ 17:18, 19 November 2010 (UTC) Manhunt Interview So the interview is located here and here. Feel free to change how you want your name to be represented or anything else in your answers. I went with Ross because I don't like typing a lot. I might change the order around a little and how much is on the main page, and how much spills over, but for the most part it will look like this. Thanks again for all your help. I stole your Manhunt Marathon image because it seems to be the current "big thing" in Manhunt. If you would like us to promote a different Manhunt event, please feel free to change the image or the text underneath the image. Or if you don't, we can erase it as well. -MHSstaff 18:57, 20 November 2010 (UTC) Mudkip Hunt There's a week left, so this is to remind you to meet at The Roger Arms, Penny Heights if alive, or Junkyard 98,76 if dead, Penny Heights, 3 days before the competition begins. DJSpinbad will be at that location to confirm you are there when the competition begins. Those who do not arrive will be disqualified. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 20:31, 23 November 2010 (UTC) I seem to have lost track of your character. Remember, you gotta be at one of the two appointed locations when the green light is given. No head starts. ;) --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 00:15, 26 November 2010 (UTC) Dezonus A/PM Hey. I'm not willing to vouch for Dezonus' candidacy, I don't think he's ready, and I think the feedback from the community reflects this. What are your thoughts? -- LEMON #1 00:25, 24 November 2010 (UTC) Bar Fight! Round One is now over, and you have correctly placed a bet on the victor. Please claim your prize here. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 21:01, 29 November 2010 (UTC) Double or quits! --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 21:05, 29 November 2010 (UTC) If you want a rematch, I'll get to talking with Zensaga about it. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 21:14, 29 November 2010 (UTC) Zen doesn't want a rematch. So a rematch is currently out of the question. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 21:16, 29 November 2010 (UTC) No, round 2. Whoever that's between --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 21:47, 29 November 2010 (UTC) Yea...I just noticed the timestamp of your bet for Round Two...I struck it since you missed the deadline. By about 15 hours. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 22:18, 29 November 2010 (UTC) Then round 3! --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 22:44, 29 November 2010 (UTC) Arby Oh,... I have to tell him about the arbitration for it to be taken seriously? -EstacadoTalk 23:50, 1 December 2010 (UTC) While the wiki community attempts to work on the basis of encouragement and cooperation, there are occasions where wiki users find themselves unable to reach accord. In the event of this happening, the Arbitration Team may be called upon to intervene, and attempt to find a reasonable compromise that, while perhaps not satisfying both parties, may at least assist in defusing the situation, thanks to the unbiased third party. Show me anywhere you tried to reach accord on this. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 11:10, 2 December 2010 (UTC) Dammit, I told that bitch to Prepare!!! -EstacadoTalk 23:48, 2 December 2010 (UTC) Uh huh. And for what? 00:29, 3 December 2010 (UTC) The astonishing truth!!! -EstacadoTalk 00:22, 4 December 2010 (UTC) Where the hell are you? I expect a response to everthing I say, wether it's a dignified one or not,... or if bananaz rain errands supreme pizza during discourse augmentaion... and bullocks! -EstacadoTalk 01:05, 5 December 2010 (UTC) There's something called patience. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 01:07, 5 December 2010 (UTC) There's also something called a condom, but apparently not everyone uses them,... ie, cornhole. -EstacadoTalk 03:26, 5 December 2010 (UTC) I get mine from the pope. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 09:26, 5 December 2010 (UTC) He's cool with them now. He just now also needs to be cool with everything else the civilised world has already come to terms with. 18:54, 5 December 2010 (UTC) That would be an ecumenical matter. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 18:56, 5 December 2010 (UTC) Yes. 18:56, 5 December 2010 (UTC) No. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 19:01, 5 December 2010 (UTC) I thought that was only on nights and weekends,.... -EstacadoTalk 15:23, 6 December 2010 (UTC) Tough Luck Guess this makes me the last UDwiki guy left around? Who got you?--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 16:01, 3 December 2010 (UTC) Dazed. I did try and warn you. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 12:48, 4 December 2010 (UTC) Sorry, Ross, I'm on their team now. :P Anything to stop the Union. Timstro's dead, we might stand a chance.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 12:56, 4 December 2010 (UTC) Thats the trouble with being unaffiliated. Twice the number of enemies. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 12:56, 4 December 2010 (UTC) WotLD I seem to have pass you in terms of survival times. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 17:38, 7 December 2010 (UTC) I was doing this. A lot of survivors died as a result. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 18:15, 7 December 2010 (UTC) Hello again Hey there Ross. Long time, no see. How've you been doing? Are you still active or interested in the Unemplementia map? --TheBardofAwesome 01:07, 10 December 2010 (UTC) Hello? --TheBardofAwesome 10:11, 12 January 2011 (UTC) Pst! Instead of writing here first, you should check your PMs on OBR/404's forums! But since you did write something, I may as well throw in "Rosslessness" as a future potential character. ;) --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 21:57, 14 December 2010 (UTC) Just read it. Yeah, sure, whatever. As long as there's no pictures discovered of me riding bicycles. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 22:30, 14 December 2010 (UTC) Was just looking around I was doing some reading, and it looks like the Battle of Krinks was due for un-protecting awhile ago. Mind you, I'm mentioning it here, rather than on A/PT, because I'm not filing a formal request to have it un-protected. I'm merely pointing out that it was due as a courtesy of sorts, but if I had my druthers, I'd just leave it protected indefinitely since I'd rather not see that can of worms reopened again. —Aichon— 04:48, 15 December 2010 (UTC) Duck Hunting Zerging Allegations Resensitized have bought up zerging issues with your ducks. Why don't you have a chat with them? --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 18:47, 16 December 2010 (UTC) Image:Black2 copy.png --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 16:05, 19 December 2010 (UTC) Talk:Survivor_2.0 "actually this is my roomate u banned his other account nexus thinking it was me please dont ban him he is not me" Why warn your roommate on the wiki if you could just talk to them. And why on christmas eve eve are you both still using the same IP groupings? Surely people go home? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 22:30, 23 December 2010 (UTC) yon what is your assessment on yonnua's A/RE bid? -- LEMON #1 23:34, 7 January 2011 (UTC) Always forget the week only stuff. Let me hve a few hours. Im going to re read everything. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 14:05, 8 January 2011 (UTC) I'm happy to re-evaluate him. I'm willing to assume the brain explosions he's had in the last few days were just a product of the stress of exams, he said he'd have some around this time, same shit happened to me on wiki all the time. As for the checkuser, he usually has the good sense to back down when he's told en masse that he's wrong, like the incident when he complained about you. I don't think the community wants him out just yet, so I'm for cycling it as successful for sure. You can do it if you like, I might when I get home. -- LEMON #1 00:42, 9 January 2011 (UTC) Thanks. Given it a cycle with a hopefully decent analysis -- LEMON #1 14:50, 9 January 2011 (UTC) I think... ...you need a cup of joe since you did it not once, but twice. ;) --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 17:28, 8 January 2011 (UTC) Voting on new 404 applicants Hey there, hope everything has been alright with you! Just a quick message to ask if you could pop over to the forum, and vote either yes or no on two of our latest applicants, Edmund Garrison/Austin and Cassandra Crunch/JaneZoe. Alternatively, you can message me back here with your votes and I'll put them up for you. Thank you! --BOSCH 17:31, 10 January 2011 (UTC) Thank you! Could I ask you to vote on Cassandra Crunch's application too please? Sorry to be a pain, just sticking to our protocol for entry :) --BOSCH 18:21, 10 January 2011 (UTC) Axe Hack's Manhunt 4 I'm trying to pencil in a date for AHMH4, but I don't want it to conflict with any of your upcoming events. Any clue when your other events will take place? --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 06:11, 12 January 2011 (UTC) Also, while I'm at this, voice your opinion on some alterations to the playing area. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 06:14, 12 January 2011 (UTC) Resensitized Hey I got your message on the forum but apparently I do not have the privileges to sent PMs. What a crock. Anyway, I agree with your statements. So is there any way you can send a message on my behalf to get me unblocked from sending PMs or possibly point me to an off forum person so I can request it myself? Thanks, man. ~ 17:43, 12 January 2011 (UTC) Actually nevermind I see that I have to reach 10 edits before I'm trusted to the point of replying to PMs. Time to spam it up, I guess. ~ 17:46, 12 January 2011 (UTC) Post on the warhammer forum. Its traditional. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 19:28, 12 January 2011 (UTC) Anime made magic happen but I posted on warhammer anyway :D ~ 19:56, 12 January 2011 (UTC) Coercion is the new black... Zombie Weather Girl will cause bad things to happen. BAD THINGS.-MHSstaff 20:26, 12 January 2011 (UTC) Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy! -MHSstaff 21:54, 17 January 2011 (UTC) Quick note I think you might have made the wrong call when you last wiped Zakarus's page. He'd made a user account when he made that edit. Just on the last one though, the one's before that were fine. =p Just to give you the heads up. -- Cheese 20:07, 15 January 2011 (UTC) Hmm indeed ... Luckily for me the VGA zerg army is more an open and shut case of zerging ... just on a ridiculous scale. ~ 19:25, 18 January 2011 (UTC) An Fak? What? Fak, fak is both singular and begins with a Fer sound (as in rhymes with flak.) as opposed to an ef sound. Unless he's calling it an F.A.K. it should be A fak. Although the an H. thing is probably correct. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 02:21, 22 January 2011 (UTC) "Acronyms read letter-by-letter in most of the world."[1] I pronounce it 'fack' as well, but it is an acronym, and we don't want to leave out the clusless newbs who don't get the 'FAK yourself' joke and think it's just an innocent abbreviation. --VVV RPMBG 02:28, 22 January 2011 (UTC) Acronym. FAK. Eff-Ay-Kay. As a one-syllable word, it would be fak, or Fak. H thing is correct if the letter is pronounced aitch, though it's usually pronounced haitch over here. 02:30, 22 January 2011 (UTC) Only by fools. And no one in the world uses the phrase "F.A.K." Its a Fak. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 02:34, 22 January 2011 (UTC) I call them Eff-Ay-Kays occasionally, actually... —Aichon— 02:43, 22 January 2011 (UTC) Same number of syllables as the words they stand for, but less well known. Why? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 02:45, 22 January 2011 (UTC) Quicker to type. I don't dictate my posts, after all. 02:49, 22 January 2011 (UTC) Err, I was just offering a pronunciation for how I refer to the abbreviation "FAK". Sometimes it's as eff-ay-kay, and sometimes it's as fack. I don't ever actually spell it out like that unless I'm describing the pronunciation. —Aichon— 03:16, 22 January 2011 (UTC) I was hoping I could get your help I'm wanting to give a try at restarting the BBC. But I have a problem, I can't find where we placed the newsbox template we made. I'm hoping that it's not protected, but can you help me find {{BBCNewsBox}}. Thanks in advance. --Les Nessman 01:05, 24 January 2011 (UTC) Template:BBCNewsBox. You've maybe forgotten to add the "Template:" bit before its name, it's a common enough mistake. 01:10, 24 January 2011 (UTC) Yep, that was my problem. Been away from the wiki long enough that I forgot all of the tricks. Thanks for the help Misanthropy. --Les Nessman 03:20, 24 January 2011 (UTC) tomorow get ready for a toughie with cheese :( -- ϑanceϑanceℜevolution 02:49, 25 January 2011 (UTC) Sacrafice ‎ In-voluntary Offerings Thanks to Mits, I was offered up to the Chilean Blob. --TCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 23:39, 25 January 2011 (UTC) YEAHHHH! --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 23:41, 25 January 2011 (UTC) ... I saw this the list of new characters on the profile database and couldn't resist what may be an idiotic comment: You should have told us you had a long lost brother! xD --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 22:57, 26 January 2011 (UTC) Nothing to do with me. Worth a scout-off I reckon. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 22:59, 26 January 2011 (UTC) It's not even a scout...--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 23:14, 26 January 2011 (UTC) If you ask me, it's probably Ross's clumsy little brother whom he never spoke of. xD --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 23:16, 26 January 2011 (UTC) Random Page Find I had to take a double take. ~ 00:38, 27 January 2011 (UTC) Sysop-ing Is going well. Not a lot of drama at the moment (not that I miss it). I just noticed that when I was speedy'ing pages that sometimes the deletion comment was filled in and sometimes not. I thought maybe it had something to do with deleting from the page its history page (I'm making sure to check history before each deletion) but that does not seem to be the case. It happens sometimes when deleting normally. Just an oddity, I suppose. ~ 20:30, 27 January 2011 (UTC) If certain circumstances are fulfilled (e.g. the page is short) then it'll fill it in for you.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 14:05, 28 January 2011 (UTC) Mystery solved. Thanks, Yon. ~ 14:21, 28 January 2011 (UTC) A hypothetical question... Yo. Just appealing to your knowledge of all things wiki here. If I were hacking on yet another UD toy, and I wanted some wiki page automatically updated from me own server, would it be okay to create a wiki user who would not actually be a person, but a robot, which would edit some page or pages under its own wiki user space once a day? Hypothetically, like. --Sophie ◆◆◆ CAPD 20:56, 27 January 2011 (UTC) Yeah, nothing wrong with that. As long as the bot doesn't go on a rampage! -- ϑanceϑanceℜevolution 23:44, 27 January 2011 (UTC) Oh cheers DDR. Yeah if I were doing something like this, I would be very very careful ^_^ --Sophie ◆◆◆ CAPD 00:11, 28 January 2011 (UTC) Robots terrify me, but Rooster already makes use of them so they're established as perfectly grand. 12:50, 28 January 2011 (UTC) Yeah, Go mad. Hows the other thing going? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 16:35, 28 January 2011 (UTC) Not good. Been through aliens, ghosts (yes bloody ghosts, fancy a proton pack?) and back to zeds. Meh. Map is running, sort of. I wish I had more time for making shiny things -_- --Sophie ◆◆◆ CAPD 01:34, 29 January 2011 (UTC) NYPD Blue The game designer is on BRWiki. He left you a message. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 22:19, 28 January 2011 (UTC) Wotan's templar Have just seen that you have deleted them, probably as part of the vandalism by the suspected Cornhole sockpuppets. However, they are on the stats page. Unless Cornhole has really worked on his alt army, it's maybe someone else? -- Spiderzed▋ 13:15, 29 January 2011 (UTC) Reading the contents of the page (check recent changes) with its naming of corn specifically I'm fairly confident. Plus his targetting of A/A A/VB, the user pages of users specifically involved in the battle of Krinks, Krinks itself, groups involved in the battle of krinks, his history of zerging, his use of open proxies and my own gut feeling, I'm sure that its very easy for Corn to create ten alts. Oh. And this is fairly damning. http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1671228 But keep on poking me. One day I'll abuse my power. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 13:22, 29 January 2011 (UTC) and these two, http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1712226 http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1718073. Note the obvious similarity? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 13:25, 29 January 2011 (UTC) Oh, I didn't mean that it is A/M-worthy - even if it was a misjudgement, the surrounding heap of obvious vandalism and the quick need to undo it would excuse it as wrist-slap stuff. But interesting findings. Looking forward to Google's next caching of UD profiles to learn who the remainder are... -- Spiderzed▋ 13:32, 29 January 2011 (UTC) I know spider. For once we've got a fairly accountable bunch of sops, and a fairly good second tier of users, like yourself with good procedural and wiki knowledge. Long may it continue. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 13:34, 29 January 2011 (UTC) Thing Something different, is there a reason why every promotion category (successful, unsuccessful, unaccepted etc..) has a chronological list except this one?--Thadeous Oakley Talk 14:22, 30 January 2011 (UTC) you mean the template? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 14:25, 30 January 2011 (UTC) yeah, the "in chronological order" one. Upon further inspection, Unaccepted has a chronological list without the template. --Thadeous Oakley Talk 14:28, 30 January 2011 (UTC) Well add one then! --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 14:29, 30 January 2011 (UTC) I fixed Unaccepted. I wasn't sure, thus why I asked. As for this one, well I can't back out now, but it's going to be fun figuring out the correct time order...--Thadeous Oakley Talk 14:34, 30 January 2011 (UTC) No point. The sub sections list all the individuals, and the main is just an alphabetical list. Who can't work out your third bid came after your second?--RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 14:36, 30 January 2011 (UTC) Yeah, that I can do, but the main one will also be chronological ordered just like the sub cats. I'll probably start with copying the template from Successful bids, since that's the largest one, and then manually check the dates on the other bids and enter them in the template.--Thadeous Oakley Talk 14:47, 30 January 2011 (UTC) old project of mine, organising all promotions into a table so they could be sortable alphabetical, by date, or by result. Never bothered with it once I realised it probably wasn't worth the effort though. -- ϑanceϑanceℜevolution 23:47, 30 January 2011 (UTC) Oh dear. That big one you're making now is gonna get messy :| -- ϑanceϑanceℜevolution 23:48, 30 January 2011 (UTC) Yeah I know, and I'm only halfway. Once I get all the names, I'll make sure to come up with something that looks a bit more appealing though. --Thadeous Oakley Talk 23:53, 30 January 2011 (UTC) Troll Probably best not to bother feeding him.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 22:52, 1 February 2011 (UTC) where's the fun in that? Not voting? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 22:53, 1 February 2011 (UTC) I brought the case, so I think there's an implicit Vandalism, and there's some ambiguity (stupidly) about whether I can or not. Doesn't matter though, because after a couple more sysops turn up, it'll be done anyway.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 22:54, 1 February 2011 (UTC) Drop the weapon and put your hands on your head! There's a Hudson Duster member in the Pawn shop on Houston St and Mott St (just keep going east from the Police Station). I'm scared because I'm APed inside it and the guy is Lv23. Save me, ObiRoss Kenolessness. You're my only hope. >_> --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 02:15, 2 February 2011 (UTC) thadeous oakley Oh yay, now we get to have this discussion. Here's my piece: community is pretty divided, I am very surprised to note the gnomes being in support of mistergame en masse and the others mostly against, thought it would be a bit more opposite. Like earlier, personally I don't have a problem with promoting thadeous, he's demonstrated to the community the exact type of user he would be as an op and most of the regulars are more than happy with that. -- ϑanceϑanceℜevolution 05:44, 7 February 2011 (UTC) Let me go away and think about this. I have my concerns. As for that other thing you Emailed me about, I have no problem with you pursuing it, although I'm apathetic. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 12:13, 7 February 2011 (UTC) Okay good. I didn't intend for help, just an opinion on it. -- ϑanceϑanceℜevolution 12:15, 7 February 2011 (UTC) Actually, out of interest, how do you personally check to see if an IP is a proxy?? -- ϑanceϑanceℜevolution 12:15, 7 February 2011 (UTC) IP Checker sites. There's also a couple of sites that set up pages and records IP's that are linked with spammers. Google in some cases. Technology is pretty easy. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 12:18, 7 February 2011 (UTC) O.k. My concern is that Thads contributions to the wiki are wide but shallow. He gets involved with everything, but rarely takes a "leadership" role in creating stuff. His big project of the year appears to be a table listing promotion bids in order. If you compare his bid with say, the last successful bid, the support received is less, the community, is split. There are outstanding concerns. You want to promote him? Maybe. Convince me one way or the other. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 12:31, 7 February 2011 (UTC) I'm indifferent either way, but I'd like to be assured your views are more a reflection of the communities' say than your personal opinion. As I've said on the bid, I'm personally not exactly convinced he'd make a reliable sysop but the vouches predominantly come from people like me who have seen Thad's whole portfolio from the start, and none of that seems to bother them. Do I think promoting him under these circumstances is pretty crappy? Personally I think it is a bit. I think there tends to be a lowering of standard by the community, for a user who runs for the second or third time or so, and coming from a person that just did more for his second bid, I'm a bit disappointed by it but now I'm just being a bitch. I've seen users promoted with less support, and rejected with more support. Up to us and I don't mind either way but you have veto power if you feel it's within reason to use it, and unless its in extreme cases, I'll always be more than happy to respect it. As should Thad if he wants to maturely consider the position a possibility in the future. -- ϑanceϑanceℜevolution 12:58, 7 February 2011 (UTC) Just to conclude because I realised I never actually made a decision. Essentially I'm for, but still, the above shit I wrote is very important in explaining my reasoning. -- ϑanceϑanceℜevolution 13:01, 7 February 2011 (UTC) Hell, if it was my opinion I'd just flat out say no! I hate to say it, but some people's votes hold more weight with me than others. I'm swung very strongly be Spiderzeds vote, and much less so by C Whitty. And his answer to my final question about leadership could have well been replaced by a mudkip and been as useful. The sysop community is split, and if it wasn't for a few votes by people I think are amazing wikizens I feel we wouldn't be having this discussion. But anyway. Personally its a no from me, but a fair number of people want to give him a go. Frankly. (And its completely without precedent) I'd love to give him the position and re-evaluate his ass in three months. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 13:44, 7 February 2011 (UTC) lol. We could always bully him into it. Really though I don't think it's entirely necessary. -- ϑanceϑanceℜevolution 23:28, 7 February 2011 (UTC) Not that it's my place or anything but didn't you guys bitchslap Jerrel down for suggesting a shorter-term/differently-governed op position? 23:30, 7 February 2011 (UTC) It's not. and it was probably for him being a retard -- ϑanceϑanceℜevolution 23:33, 7 February 2011 (UTC) ^This. So, I've raised some points. DDR. Promote or not? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 19:52, 8 February 2011 (UTC) You can force a re-evaluation through arbies, if he agrees to it.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 20:50, 8 February 2011 (UTC) Perhaps, but Its not really resolving the issue. I'm personally against the bid, but I feel the community is split, whereas DDR thinks the community wants a yes, but is apathetic about actual promotion. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 20:54, 8 February 2011 (UTC) Oh yeah, but it's completely beyond me to comment on that. I was merely stating that if you did want to enforce a shorter term (as you considered above), there was a way that you could enforce it.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 21:01, 8 February 2011 (UTC) Arbitration is for dispute resolution, not for establishing contracts... As for the point ross, I still feel the same way about the promotion, the more active and central users of the community are generally the ones saying yes. -- ϑanceϑanceℜevolution 21:25, 8 February 2011 (UTC) Ok. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 21:34, 8 February 2011 (UTC) less indents. So your final verdict? just to confirm. -- ϑanceϑanceℜevolution 21:42, 8 February 2011 (UTC) Hmm, I'm probably being too literal in my opposition, and at the end of the day it probably is my opposition. Hmm. Ok. With central support I'm not going to oppose the promotion, but I'm retaining my general Hmm position. So yeah. Promote as you see fit. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 21:53, 8 February 2011 (UTC) Alrighty. Well I have to rush out now for some mobile phone shit so when I come back in a few hours if nothing's happened by then I'll deal with it. You're free to give a last minute point or veto or discussion etc if you feel its needed -- ϑanceϑanceℜevolution 00:25, 9 February 2011 (UTC) Borehamwood Hello Rosslessness, I hear all sorts of accusations about the borehamwood survivors and their zombie pets, I guess that the usual smoke and no fire rountine. I think any side that had a TAAK on it will get accused of zerging ;), thats probably the only influence he has had on the game. Cheers --Rapture 20:04, 8 February 2011 (UTC) i can't belive you didn't speak up a serial zerger really? tis a sad sad day. well at least i can still tell him to fuck off and die right? or is that against policy?----sexualharrison ¯\()/¯ 14:45, 9 February 2011 (UTC) Telling him to die is.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 19:52, 9 February 2011 (UTC) Its not a threat, its a request. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 20:04, 9 February 2011 (UTC) Probationary Sys-Op Didn't want to bring that up while the bid discussion still runs, as it could be seen as me mingling with things that are none of my business. But that one got me thinking: Rosslessness said: I'd love to give him the position and re-evaluate his ass in three months. I think some Sys-Op on Probation clause with a shortened tenure could serve a valuable purpose to cover disputed cases as Thad's or Cheese's RE. Rather than to just have the options of "Yes, and now we are stuck with you for 8 friggin' months" or "No, and now bugger off to re-apply in a half year", a "Yes, but you better do well the next three months" could give the crats a middle-ground option and especially help with candidates who promise future activity. Would of course need some more bells and whistles to avoid abuse like repeated Probationary Sys-Op tenures, but before I put it up on A/PD, I better plug you current crats to see if you think that it would be a worthwhile idea. (DDR is free to chime in here - didn't send him a separate message as I expect him to watch your talk anyway, and to cut down on the risk of the same discussion being led in two separate places at once.) -- Spiderzed▋ 21:15, 9 February 2011 (UTC) Frankly I think it should be compulsory. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 21:17, 9 February 2011 (UTC) Oh and you might want to ask the guy who has been crat pretty much permanently over the last few years as well, the wonderful mr box. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 21:20, 9 February 2011 (UTC) long live the box --People's Commissar Hagnat [talk] [wcdz] 03:15, 10 February 2011 (UTC) all hail boxy!----sexualharrison ¯\()/¯ 03:25, 11 February 2011 (UTC) It's an interesting idea... but I would rather limit the powers of "probationary sysops", than to force early reevaluations on them. Perhaps they can get all the buttons, but don't get a say on A/VB and A/M cases? They can still do all the janitorial work of sysops, and if they want to have a say in the drama beds later on (after your suggested 3 months, perhaps) they can do so through the reevaluation process. Not all "probies" might want the extra powers/responsibilities, and can remain at the probationary level if they wish But basically, I don't think that more frequent reevaluations is the way to go (even if it's just once). Major problems can be handled via misconduct, minor problems, well they are the lifeblood of the wiki (where would we be without teh drama? ), and we just get on with it -- boxy talk • teh rulz 00:32 13 February 2011 (BST) This would be better than the forced A/RE. A/RE will just make newer sysops weaker and be more inclined to just be crowd pleasers rather than be bold ops, which sometimes is necessary. The first few months are pretty unfamiliar and difficult anyway. It'd make it too much of a popularity contest imo. -- ϑanceϑanceℜevolution 00:54, 13 February 2011 (UTC) My thought on PSO was less to make probation dependent on being new, but rather on being disputed - essentially, a "yes, but" card for cases when community input is unclear. Completely new ops might be more often heavily disputed than those who've already served a tenure and have shown that they know the ropes - but not always, as most recently seen with Vapor, who was overall well-accepted despite being new. I can see some merit in a buffer between promotion and power over the drama sections for certain new op candidates, but for RE (as in, say, Cheese's RE), it wouldn't really make sense. -- Spiderzed▋ 01:23, 13 February 2011 (UTC) Cheese's A/RE wasn't really such a big issue though, ross and I agreed on the demotion and there was little response from the community that would suggest it was a wholly unwanted decision. -- ϑanceϑanceℜevolution 02:04, 13 February 2011 (UTC) I don't like the idea of singling out "dodgy" sysop applicants, and telling them they are under suspicion. If they're dodgy enough to warrent special attention, then the 'crats should just reject -- boxy talk • teh rulz 07:12 13 February 2011 (BST) I agree with this. If sysops were probationary, it would be for every new promotion, not just those that were "dodgy". Simply put I'd change the re-evaluation policy to read. "After their initial promotion all sysops would be probationally reviewed after 3 months." --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 09:59, 13 February 2011 (UTC) I still think that's a slightly shitty idea. Making them accountable for their first 3 months is not a good thing. We shouldn't be encouraging sysops to keep a low profile or keep out of opinionated discussions where (or too an extent that) they may be needed, for fear of being seen as 'unworthy'. -- ϑanceϑanceℜevolution 13:12, 13 February 2011 (UTC) Duck Hunt Question. Was the Duck Hunt an official part of the Manhunt Marathon. It says that it is on the Duck Hunt page but not on the Manhunt Marathon page. I'm going to write up an overview of the Duck Hunt for Malton Manhunt past events. ~ 23:57, 11 February 2011 (UTC) It was. Im just lazy. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 10:08, 12 February 2011 (UTC) spiderzed I like spiderzed, fine for promotion. What do you think? -- ϑanceϑanceℜevolution 01:04, 13 February 2011 (UTC) Dude You seem really angry with me recently and I have no idea why. Sorry, I guess?--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 11:57, 14 February 2011 (UTC) Do I? I'm really not. I'd much rather rail at Thad. Do us a favour though swing by Developing Guides for me. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 11:59, 14 February 2011 (UTC) Wa, what's wrong D:? --Thadeous Oakley Talk 19:16, 14 February 2011 (UTC) I wanted a guide reviewed, but now its done. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 19:20, 14 February 2011 (UTC) lol. I meant...you know what I meant. What bothers you? --Thadeous Oakley Talk 19:23, 14 February 2011 (UTC) New sysops need poking. Poking Yon's boring. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 19:30, 14 February 2011 (UTC) You bully. >:( --Thadeous Oakley Talk 19:35, 14 February 2011 (UTC) Update Promotion Procedure(2) One day early. It was kicked off on Feb 1, so it should close _tomorrow_ on Feb 15 :o Or do I majorly miss something? -- Spiderzed▋ 18:58, 14 February 2011 (UTC) FUCKING CHEESE! --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 19:10, 14 February 2011 (UTC) My bad... -- Cheese 19:11, 14 February 2011 (UTC) --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 19:13, 14 February 2011 (UTC)