Suggestion:20080423 Let zombies use the letter “D”

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20080423 Let zombies use the letter “D”

Kolechovski 02:17, 23 April 2008 (BST)

Suggestion type
Improvement Suggestion scope
Zombies/Death Rattle Suggestion description
The letter “D” isn’t hard to sound. Even for a zombie, a simple flick of the tongue should produce a rough “D” sound, and with zombies as smart and able as they are, I see no reason they shouldn’t be able to learn how to do so (especially as high in demand as it is).

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Votes must be numbered, justified, signed, and timestamped. # justification ~~~~ Votes that do not conform to the above may be struck by any user.

The only valid votes are Keep, Kill, Spam or Dupe. If you wish to abstain from voting, do not vote.

Keep Votes

1. Keep I care for this suggestion, I think it's groovy.--Jamie Cantwell3 02:41, 23 April 2008 (BST)
2. Keep - I've learned to make do with the current letters usable in death rattle, but learning it was NOT easy, especially being a feral for a long time. I still can't decipher half the stuff people say. Adding the letter D would be helpful to new members learning rattle, developed members that haven't bothered with rattle because it can be difficult, and a fun addition for members that are already rattle chatter boxes. Pleeeeeeease don't kill this. --Fifth Element 02:53, 23 April 2008 (BST)
3. Keep - Death rattle buff! - Grant (talk) 03:23, 23 April 2008 (BST)
4. Author Keep - Because e approx = 2.718281828459045235360287471352662497--Kolechovski 04:17, 23 April 2008 (BST)
5. Keep - D is a pretty easy sound to make. -Druuuuu ^OcTRR 05:45, 23 April 2008 (BST)
6. Keep - Promote zombie literacy! Flavor for the game news could have something with zombies being tutored at Quartly Library. --Uncle Bill 07:02, 23 April 2008 (BST)
7. Keep - Anything to make playing a zombie more fun. Rudiger Jones 07:32, 23 April 2008 (BST)
8. Keep! - yes please!!! Zambah drag da da da! --~~~~ [talk] 08:03, 23 April 2008 (BST)
9. FUCK YES! - Cause letter "G" stands for too much at the moment! -- John Rubin^{T! ZG} 09:38, 23 April 2008 (BST)
10. Keep - Yes yes yes --Deadtanian 10:37, 23 April 2008 (BST)
11. Keep - Man i hope you are joking Airborne.--Carnexhat 11:01, 23 April 2008 (BST)
12. Weak keep - Partial dupe? Something is a dupe or isn't, no fuzzy logic allowed here. It's funny to see zeds speaking without D, but it may be even funnier to see them speaking with D. -- 
    •  Nevin McAvoy 
    •  (talk) 
    11:58, 23 April 2008 (BST)
13. Keep--Corndoghero^T-S-Z 13:39, 23 April 2008 (BST)
14. Keep - Because it's good. --The Hierophant 14:04, 23 April 2008 (BST)
15. Deep - Today's vote is brought to you by the letter.--Studoku ^W! 14:54, 23 April 2008 (BST)
16. Keep - makes death rattles more interesting for everyone. --Riseabove 15:20, 23 April 2008 (BST)
17. Keep - I can't see any reason not to, and I think it would be fun! --Jasonjason 17:20, 23 April 2008 (BST)
18. Keep - Dnee Deep Dn Dhe Dead.--ZARDOZ 19:43, 23 April 2008 (BST)
19. Keep - Sure, why not? --Howard Bentley 20:09, 23 April 2008 (BST)
20. Keep - DA BARHAHZ AH RAD!!! And some of those spam/kill votes should bes struck for "No valid(sane) justification". Like the "Nooblord" one. --BoboTalkClown 01:48, 24 April 2008 (BST)
21. Keep - Yep, totally overpowered. M... no. --UCFSD 16:53, 24 April 2008 (BST)
22. Straight-up Dawg --Karloth Vois TALK ^RR 17:42, 24 April 2008 (BST)
23. Keep - An excellent suggestion, with no reason not to implement it.--SALurker 01:22, 25 April 2008
24. Keep - The neverending war between humans and zombies goes on....--Crazyloop 17:53, 25 April 2008 (BST)
25. Keep - Talking with Death Rattle is more fun than metagaming. Let's encourage it. --Explodey 22:10, 27 April 2008 (BST)
26. Keep - Tired of hearing GANGBANG GRANMAZ - let's see what else they can come up with.--דקק#99 02:51, 30 April 2008 (BST)
27. Keep - D would make one hell of a difference and the absence of it makes speech absurdly difficult to understand.--Karek^maps?! 03:10, 30 April 2008 (BST)
28. Reluctant Keep - a part of me is loathe to fuck with the beloved death rattle ... and i really agree with billy club thornton below ... but ... but, it's just so fucking hard sometimes to communicate certain things ... so adding a 'd' or a 't' would really help us out. --WanYao 06:55, 30 April 2008 (BST)
29. Keep - Duuuhhhh... ^--  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 20:38, 4 May 2008 (BST)
30. Keep - Why can't zeds talk? Even to other zeds??? It hurts the game and it kills newbs. --UCFSD 17:50, 5 May 2008 (BST)
31. Changed, As Agreed. --Sgt. Napalm 02:37, 6 May 2008 (BST)
32. Keep - It's bizarro world, all the intelligent people are voting keep and the trenchies are voting spam. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 19:23, 6 May 2008 (BST)
33. Deciding Keep Vote - Can't do any harm. Might as well. -- Cheese 22:43, 7 May 2008 (BST)

Kill Votes

1. Kill - I don't care for this suggestion. --Pdeq^Talk* 02:31, 23 April 2008 (BST)
2. Kill - Zombies already communicate effectively enough in my opinion. Death Rattle is not supposed to be clear.  Billy Club Thorton  T!  RR  05:12, 23 April 2008 (BST)
3. Kill- No "d" for you! It is an overpowered buff--Airborne88^T|Z.Quiz|PSS 08:20, 23 April 2008 (BST)

   Re: Like Carnexhat said, I sure hope you're joking. If you are, a KILL vote isn't a very funny joke. Couldyou elaborate on how it makes it overpowered?--Kolechovski 19:22, 24 April 2008 (BST)

4. Kill - Makes things too easy. And no, a simple flick of the tongue would more likely result in an "R", not a "D". --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 13:33, 23 April 2008 (BST)

   Re: Well, I tried it again, and I got a clear "D" sound. With "R", don't you hold your tongue against the roof of your mouth?--Kolechovski 19:22, 24 April 2008 (BST)

5. Kill - Totally overpowered! -- The Lethal Trio ^{[Tlk|NTCS|RRF] U! E!} 16:29, 23 April 2008 (BST)

   Re: Care to elaborate?--Kolechovski 19:22, 24 April 2008 (BST)

   Kill THAT IS SO FUCKING DUMB,STFU N00BLORD.--Shakey60 16:31, 23 April 2008 (BST)

   Re: Is this even a valid vote? And I won't STFU. I have every right to suggest something, as you do. If you think it's dumb, please elaborate why.--Kolechovski 19:22, 24 April 2008 (BST)

   Note - Inane vote removed.--  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 18:28, 25 April 2008 (BST)

6. Kill Don't really like voting kill on things, but at least my vote won't be a deciding one here. Going to be a lot nicer than Shakey. For reasons I stated in Talk:Discussion, I don't feel that the 'duh' sound would be pronouncable without finer control of the tongue, and I'd think that the zombies tongue is rotted and not very easy to use. Most of the sounds that zombies can make do not involve a very strong use of the tongue. If you check, zombies can do the 'uhd' and 'ahd' sounds easier because there, the d is a soft D, instead of a hard D (please no one make an off color joke here). For more elaboration on my reason, see Talk:Discussion comments I made. Also, Midianian and BillyClubThorton make good points as well. --Tselita 17:32, 23 April 2008 (BST)

   Re: I get your explanation, and I haven't had speech therapy, but if the zombie's tongue were rotted to such a severe extent that it could not pronounce a "D", then how does it make an "R" sound? To me, it's necessary to move the tongue to the roof of the mouth to make an "R", so if zombies can do "R", it would seem that a "D" should be even easier. Of course, you are quite welcome to discuss this on discussion page (and I'd even recommend it).--Kolechovski 17:07, 1 May 2008 (BST)

   Re - I'd love to discuss this on the discussion page :) --Tselita 00:41, 3 May 2008 (BST)

7. Kill - As Tselita's elaborate explanation. --ZsL 18:15, 23 April 2008 (BST)
8. Kill - Yeah, Tselita got most of it. Also, I don't think zombies should be able to talk very well--Seventythree^Talk 18:24, 23 April 2008 (BST)
9. Kill - As Shakey60. Don't fuck with zombie speech. Yeah, and I guess as Tselita too or something. --Vandurn 21:10, 23 April 2008 (BST)
10. Kill - Radically alters game balance .. err.. actually, no. Zombies are not supposed to be talkers - the extent to which they can is already too much. --Pgunn 09:05, 24 April 2008 (BST)

    Already.... too... much.... are you joking? Zombies can say, what, 7 letters?--/~Rakuen~\^Talk I Still Love Grim 16:43, 24 April 2008 (BST) non-author re struck --Pdeq^Talk* 05:21, 30 April 2008 (BST)

    Re: Accordinding to my list, they got: "a b g h m n r z ! . , ' ? -" <--I don't think that's a whole lot, and D will simply stretch out many of those Gs and Bs usually used IMO.--Kolechovski 19:22, 24 April 2008 (BST)

    Kill - further from zombie realty. Gonnagvieuaids 16:43, 25 April 2008 (BST)

    Kill - as per pgunn. Deadkitten 16:56, 25 April 2008 (BST)

    NOTE: Sockpuppet votes struck.--Karek^maps?! 23:36, 25 April 2008 (BST)

11. Kill - Easy in real life isn't a reason to implement it into a zombie game, and there is no in game reason given to justify it -- boxy ^{talk • i} 05:04 26 April 2008 (BST)
12. Kill - Not really needed, as above (minus Shakey's crap-vote). --Private Mark 20:37, 27 April 2008 (BST)
13. Kill - Death Rattle is supposed to be difficult to understand. Real life justifications shouldn't matter unless you have stood in front of a zombie and had a chat with him in real life as well. --Starplatinum 05:43, 30 April 2008 (BST)
14. Kill - U guys are already overpowered, like hell do i want u guys to be able to communicate even more! --Mps93 17:32 (EST)
15. Kill - As boxy and Tselita. --Amanu Jaku 10:01, 5 May 2008 (BST)

Spam/Dupe Votes

1. Spam - An atrocious suggestion that would undermine the foundations upon which Urban Dead is built on! --Themanwhocares4 02:42, 23 April 2008 (BST)

   Re: If you mean this as a serious SPAM vote, I'm gonna need something to go on, so that I actually can determine if there's a problem or not.--Kolechovski 04:17, 23 April 2008 (BST)

   Re: Zombies are not natural talkers, and I see no reason to alter the Zombie language. --Themanwhocares4 21:39, 24 April 2008 (BST)

   Re: That's a much better explanation. It'd be more helpful if you'd say those things first instead of your original reason. Thanks.--Kolechovski 20:21, 4 May 2008 (BST)

2. Partial Dupe- This one allows "D". The other allows "D" and "V".--Pesatyel 08:22, 23 April 2008 (BST)
3. Spam - There zombies remember they shouldnt be able speak at all really. --Pvt human 09:26, 23 April 2008 (BST)
4. Spam - Why don't we have them use all the letters? and melee weapons and guns? Hell they need to barricade too? oh how about we just do away thier hp and let them not die? gabdewulf 16:42, 23 April 2008 (BST)

   Re: If you want to, go ahead and suggest it. I'm not sure how well it'll do, but, hey, it's your idea.--Kolechovski 19:22, 24 April 2008 (BST)

   Re: here this might help http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm gabdewulf 16:54, 25 April 2008 (BST)

   Re: It seems to me Gabdewulf is the one that needs to read that article, as he is not understanding that Kolechovski made a sarcastic reply... --Ms.Panes 00:07, 1 May 2008 (BST)non-author re struck --Pdeq^Talk* 01:57, 1 May 2008 (BST)

5. Spam - Damn Harmanz! as above--/~Rakuen~\^Talk I Still Love Grim 19:01, 23 April 2008 (BST)
6. dupe - looks like it to me --Scotw 09:20, 24 April 2008 (BST)

   Re: It's not a dupe unless you can provide proof. That other one was for "D" and "V". This is only for "D", so it's not a dupe of that one. I wouldn't have used "V" anyhow, as I feel it is a bit too complex for zombies.--Kolechovski 19:22, 24 April 2008 (BST)

   Re:Re: "V" is a lot less complex than "D" as it does not involve the tongue. it is a partial dupe/dupe in that it explores the same later, except the previous suggestion was more elaborated and expanded and therefore better than yours.Thebattler35 18:49, 25 April 2008 (BST) non-author re struck --Pdeq^Talk* 05:23, 30 April 2008 (BST)

   Spam/Kill Give me a zombie movie were the zombie makes a "D" sound and I will change my vote. --Sgt. Napalm 22:21, 25 April 2008 (BST)

   Return of the Living Dead - zombie says over a radio Send More Cops. Change vote please.--דקק#99 02:43, 30 April 2008 (BST) non-author re struck --Pdeq^Talk* 05:21, 30 April 2008 (BST)

   Re: As DCC said, "Return of the Living Dead - zombie says over a radio Send More Cops. Change vote please.--דקק#99 02:43, 30 April 2008 (BST) "--Kolechovski 17:14, 1 May 2008 (BST)

   As Agreed: Vote Changed. --Sgt. Napalm 02:37, 6 May 2008 (BST)

7. ZBAM – Zambahz nah grab harman gab! (Also, as Tselita.) ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 06:14, 30 April 2008 (BST)