UDWiki:Administration/Sysop Archives/Yonnua Koponen/2012-03-14 Promotion

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Shortround

• Shortround (talk | contribs | UDWiki contribs | vndl data)

Hey guys, I’ve decided to put myself up for the position of system operator. I’d like to take this chance to tell you what I’d do if I was promoted and also get the chance for ever valuable community feedback.

About Shortround

I’ve been around for about 3/4 months and I’ve been trying to help out wherever I can. I deal with a large proportion of bots that come through and also do some other things like cycling of various pages and sorting through suburb news and danger-reports where necessary. Basically just janitorial stuff, although I’ve expressed opinions on things where I think it’s been necessary and where I’ve had a valuable opinion to share. My resume isn’t quite as impressive as some of the current or past sysops here, but in the current climate I think that I’m a viable candidate for sysop, which really gets to the issue of what I’d be doing.

What would I do as Sysop?

As sysop I’d handle all of the meaningless janitorial stuff I’ve already been doing, but with the capacity to actually go through with it. We’ve had a couple of instances recently where bots haven’t been handled immediately and there have been a few move requests and other tasks which have been left standing for a while. If you make me sysop I’ll deal with those things. Why? Because my job is boring and rarely requires me to be doing things so I often browse the web and mess about. This could be a way to change that in to productivity. I’d also fulfil the other functions of a system operator when necessary, but at the moment we don’t have that much to do in the non-janitorial areas of the wiki such as vandal banning. Even while there, I’d take a detached janitorial outlook on the cases wherever I could.

Why would I be a good sysop?

Well, this is really an issue of personal opinion. I know some people like dynamic system operators who make bold statements and do daring stuff, but I think there’s a solid case for the other kind, who enjoy themselves but at the same time deal with a large body of work and have the experience needed to keep the wiki ticking over. That’s the kind of sysop I would want to be. If you think that’s what you would want in a system operator, then vouch for me. If not, you probably shouldn’t. :)

Shortround }.{ My Contributions 19:48, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

• Vouch but no promotion Only because we've, as you noted in the edit summary, got so absolutely little going on. Never a good time to be promoting people when there's nothing going on. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 20:36, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

  Does this mean only that there is a smaller usefulness to it, rather than if more was going on, a larger one? So what's the problem? Only relatively less to do. (We make the same criticism of the objection, "there are too many sysops".)--  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 23:44, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

  Not sure what you mean. We don't need to be giving people access to private information when it's not needed and when we have overpromoted it's always served only to bog down the processing of what tasks there are to do at that time. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 00:04, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

  I mean that neither the absence of much to do nor the presence of too many sysops has to do with merits of a would-be sysop. I'm not sure what the connection between "not much to do" and "access to private information" is given that when we asses giving someone "access to private information" we are talking about their merit or trustworthiness. And I have never remembered anything being bogged down by having too many sysops and/or too little to do. I think people just end up not doing much, which makes having some too-large number of sysops only not very useful, not detrimental. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 00:14, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

  Which would be why I vouched but disagree with promotion. Also worth noting that Misconduct is consensus based and slows down with more sysops. Vandalism can also be from time to time consensus based and when I came back most recently it was most definitely bogged down by an over presence of sysops who seemed to have it in their heads that all decisions there had to have consensus to go forward, something that tends to come from extra sysops butting in when not needed. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 07:34, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

  As I said before, I don't think those 2 areas are too much of an issue at the moment but if they were to become one again, I would only participate when I did indeed have an unconsidered opinion. Other than that I'd most likely defer to more experienced system operators until I had a decisive grip on the case law.--Shortround }.{ My Contributions 09:50, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

  We don't have so many sysops that adding one more would cause a problem in misconduct, and the number of misconduct cases isn't relevant here, and hardly are there many misconduct cases put forth anymore. Also, the slowing down of misconduct cases has more to do with the drama of particular users rather than typically the number of people adding to a case. Vandalism-wise, yeah, but I think that it has more to do with people not realizing that it's not useful to repeat the same opinion over and over (although doing this isn't all that detrimental) and when opinions differ it has more to do with the opinions being different (and some people will still have similar opinions here) rather than how many people have such and such different opinions. So I mean basically it's what people do that's more important than the number of people doing whatever-it-may-be. But I suppose you might say that having more people means having more opinions to wade through, and they are more likely to be different, although some opinions will still inevitably just be "as X". Let's just go with that previous sentence, then: I can't see that adding one more sysop to the mix would offer any significant increase in the opinions needed to be waded through. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 20:35, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

• Abstain I've never dealt with you at all, so I can't say one way or the other. But you seem ok and make an interesting case for sysopship. But Karek is right -- there isn't anything going on worthy of considering much of anybody for promotion. There is plenty of janitorial work that doesn't need special access to do. Personally, I think that if you have that much slack time at work that you're considering this, I'd recommend a good online grad school instead. Asheets 20:51, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
• Abstain - There is some promise in your actions, but we haven't seen much of you, especially given how slowly the place runs right now. Give it a few more months before you re-apply. -- Spiderzed█ 21:52, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
• Against ...i saw this coming when he immediately started kissing ass / sucking up / brown-nosing. →Son of Sin← 22:28, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

  I've not been ass-kissing bro. Just because I do what's best for the wiki and stuff doesn't mean I'm asskissing.--Shortround }.{ My Contributions 01:10, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

• Abstain - While I've not been editing, I've been lurking sufficiently in the background to know that we've got more sysops than we actually need at the moment. I doubt it's going to pick up much, the game as a whole has been winding down for the past couple of years, but it may do so towards the summer. Try again round about then. -- Cheese 22:39, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
• Weak Against - He's done well so far, but I think he needs a bit more experience before being promoted. --^A_O^R_D^M_O^P_R^I _! ^T 22:50, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

  To be fair, I've got experience from (French) wikipedia but mostly only admins stuff and also it's obviously a very different beast to UDwiki. Experience isn't really an issue in my eyes. I see the "too many sysops" argument as being far more compelling for the time being.--Shortround }.{ My Contributions 01:10, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

• Vouch - I think, at this point, a promotion would allow you to continue developing yourself as a member of this wiki. I trust that you, should you be promoted, will be neutral and will continue to be active. It's what this wiki needs. As a last input, I have a question to Spiderzed. Why do you vote "Against - too little activity" when Revenant was put up for re-evaluation, and now abstain, "given how slowly the place runs right now"? That is contradictory. Maybe you have a double agenda? Generaloberst 22:54, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

  One is a user who has been around for years with little activity, while the other is a user who has been around for less a quarter year with frantic activity. Not comparable at all. Not at all. -- Spiderzed█ 21:47, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

  If you think he hasn't got enough experience then just say so retard. Ugh, you're like Vapor II. Generaloberst 15:16, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

  I think we haven't seen enough of him, that is all. A couple of more months, with some activity on the opinion pages to get a better insight into his insight of policy would go a long way. -- Spiderzed█ 13:26, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

• Vouch, but as Karek. The way this wiki is now, we're probably better off demoting a few people, mainly the least active ones. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 23:01, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

  I agree with that but that isn't mutually exclusive with promoting new system operators to breath life in to what is at the moment a very stagnant team. If there wasn't work that needed doing, I wouldn't be running.--Shortround }.{ My Contributions 01:10, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

• Despite my mostly lurking these days, I've already seen your name pop up in a few different places, and always in a helpful and intelligent manner. I was actually hoping that, assuming you continued that trend, you'd apply for sysop at some point. Unfortunately, I'm leaning towards thinking that this is just a tad bit too soon, and I'd like to have had the chance to see you in a few more situations. Re-apply in a few months, keep up the good work in the meantime, and you should be a shoe-in for the job. —Aichon— 00:02, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

  The reasons that I applied now rather than at a point down the line are that a) I'm drunk and b) I don't really think I'll be doing anything vastly different from how I do now. I already have a strong conceptual and technical grasp of how the wiki works, I have experience with most of the tools and I would mostly stick to janitorial work of the same nature as what I've been doing. From that standpoint, waiting 2 or 3 more months before applying gives no additional benefit and when we have move requests and such having to wait a few days to be carried out, there's not really a case to be made that there are too many sysops. The point where there are too many sysops is when there are constantly 2+ online and everything is done immediately as soon as it is requested (see: English Wikipedia). We are nowhere that level of need at the moment.--Shortround }.{ My Contributions 01:10, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

  I actually think that the "too many sysops" is an invalid reason to reject a candidate (side note: I thought there used to be some text around here saying that explicitly, but I can't seem to find it). My "too soon" vote is not because of the amount of work around here being low, or the fact that we do have too many sysops, but rather because of my desire to see you get a little more experience around the wiki community. If the 'crats decide to promote you, I'd be cool with it, but I'm leaning slightly in the other direction at the moment. I understand there may be little benefit in making you wait, but I'd like that little benefit anyway. —Aichon— 01:23, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

  I absolutely see where you're coming from, but realistically I don't see what I'll be doing differently in say 2/3 months time. The only thing that I don't have a really solid understanding of at the moment is case precedents for vandalism and (some) misconduct and realistically, that won't change any time soon because of the low influx of cases and the fact that the ones that we get are relatively simplistic. I can't see any way that I'll be a more helpful member of the community in a couple of months, but obviously there could be something somewhat large that I'm missing here.--Shortround }.{ My Contributions 01:33, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

  Vouch - Changing my vote. I hadn't realized things were as bad as some of the others are saying. Everyone always complains about things that don't get done, so I tend to tune it out a bit, but the sorts of lapses being described sound like they're becoming more commonplace and should not be as regular as it sounds like they are. I was honestly tempted (but only for a moment) to become active again around here. —Aichon— 14:59, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

• Super Vouch Sysops for all!--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 01:45, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

  <3 --Shortround }.{ My Contributions 01:48, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

• Vouch - Meets all guidelines for consideration, shows earnest willingness to help the wiki, has spent the time getting to know the place, has previous sysop experience, hasn't done anything stupid yet. Kind of a no brainer IMHO. The idea that there is too little to do on this wiki is kind of invalidated by the fact that so little of the sysop work is being done right now. We're mid-month and only about half of the admin pages have been cycled and it took three sysops to get it that far. There are move requests still pending and last month a bunch of speedy deletions were completely ignored and ended up being cycled by DDR because nobody could be arsed. It goes on. There is plenty to be done here for a fresh, active and experience user willing to take a shot at being sysop. ~ _{06:01, 15 March 2012 (UTC)}

  If you mean DDR's requests they weren't ignored. I left them because he clearly couldn't make up his mind of provide a clear enough guideline to what he wanted deleted. It wasn't worth the extra time for delete something he was personally not 100% about, especially something so harmless that probably shouldn't have been put up by the third party use in the first place. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 07:38, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

  That wasn't really the crux of my comment but yeah that was the one. Someone else put it up and DDR said it's ok to delete all these except the one he voted keep on. No big deal if the pages stay I guess they're just crit 1s with no purpose now or in the future. Nobody even bothered to remove the speedy delete template on each of those pages. ~ _{07:46, 15 March 2012 (UTC)}

  I spelt out which ones could be deleted and which ones I wanted kept. If you're all lazy cunts then I don't care but don't throw the onus back on me. some nerve. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 22:52, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

• Vouch You all should be rolling out the red carpet for this guy, cherish the fact that someone new and seemingly capable would actually bother becoming a sysops here. The argument that there isn't anything to do is blatanly wrong. I'm siding with Vapor here, and I can easily point out to more shit that just isn't being done by the current team:This arbitration case that has been death in the water for weeks, with no one bothering to archive it, Harrison's de-escalation request that still hasn't been processed after a month, the latest recruiment vote that no one has closed off after two weeks etc etc. There's plenty of work to be done, and if he wants to do it, more power to him.

  Also, what happened to this? A month ago certain people were whining for fresh blood, and now all of a sudden we're all good with what have? IMO, Shortround certainly isn't perfect, but everything points out that he'll be a good addition and I don't see any good reason why couldn't give him a fair chance right now, especially considering we do somehow keep someone like Revenant around (nothing from him in a month, what a surprise) at the same time.-- Thadeous Oakley Talk 10:16, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

• Vouch Helpful and enthusiastic. I like what I see.  CrunchyCake  T  ^{Breakfast Club} 21:37, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
• Against for now. You seem too perfect. Give it a few more months and apply again. Assuming you continue your current ways or even slack off some, you would make a great sysop. --Bad Attitude Kirsty _{K.C. R&D d.b.a. Org XIII} 21:52, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

  If you think I'm too perfect I guess I could vandalise some pages or something...? --Shortround }.{ My Contributions 00:16, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

  Not my meaning, you seem like an excellent candidate for sysop. Show some longevity, say 6 months from your first edit and apply again. I will gladly vouch. --Bad Attitude Kirsty _{K.C. R&D d.b.a. Org XIII} 00:43, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

• Vouch - Once actual drama comes up you're gonna be blown out of the water though Shorty. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 22:52, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
• Vouch - Fortune and glory, kid. Fortune and glory. --Paddy Dignam^{IS DEAD} 23:48, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
• Vouch: Yeah, give him the mop and bucket. I've seen enough to tell he's ready to get stuck in, and the fact he has admin experience elsewhere should mean he can be trusted with the tools. ~~ Chief Seagull ~~ ^talk 06:57, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
• Abstain Weak Against Does not know the community well enough yet. please reapply in 6 months and keep changing the title on the spambit pages and I would be happy to support your next bid. again ignore sin, he is a fucking moron.--User:Sexualharrison12:43, 17 March 2012

  also someone who does not play the game regularly can't possibly understand whats going on. with out the game there is no wiki. and updates? what the fuck are those?--User:Sexualharrison11:35, 20 March 2012

  Just because I'm not actively spending half an hour a day running through the motions of a character doesn't mean I'm not up to date with what's going on. I've been following this whole Nazi attempt to take over a largely unoccupied suburb and I have a general idea about the rest of the stuff that's going on. There isn't too much going on in game at the moment that has major impact on the community and when those kinds of situations do, they often tend to hit the VB or Arbies sections of the wiki. As I said I don't see myself as being much more than an administrative sysop so I haven't been too worried about that. If you guys still think it's a massive issue though I'll happily start playing again. I've always wanted to try a PKer so I might give one a go.--Shortround }.{ My Contributions 17:05, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

  coughFODcough ~ _{18:21, 20 March 2012 (UTC)}

• Question Can you give us some info on your ingame experience of UD? Do you regularly play? do you have a style? --Ross^lessness 13:39, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

  I don't really play that much at the moment. Way back when I used to play a dedicated zombie feral but when I got back in to the game a bit more recently I couldn't remember the pass or user name so I made a scout and started doing repairs and building status updates. I haven't really had time to play properly in a month or so though. It's much easier to just log on to the wiki and do some admin than to actually play the game, especially because the wiki makes it look to my boss like I'm actually working and the game itself seems rather more suspect :) I'll probably play a bit more when I get a holiday towards the end of the month or if we get an update. --Shortround }.{ My Contributions 11:20, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

• Against – “3/4 months” is ~22 days; nowhere near long enough. Come back when you have more time under your belt. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 02:56, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

  I don't know what you're talking about because I've been around since late november and active in the admin areas as well. I'm sure we've probably crossed paths considering the fact that both of us have been very active in the past couple of months.--Shortround }.{ My Contributions 14:43, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

  Your lead section says, and I quote, "I’ve been around for about 3/4 months…". You're obviously bad at counting and/or typography. (Also: Me? Active? I'm surprised you noticed…)
  Question: Will you promise to improve your grasp of mathematics and formatting if I vouch for you? ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 16:22, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

After discussion with boxy, we've decided to reject the bid. The reasons are simple, and probably best summarised by Aichon's comment. You've done nothing wrong as such, it's just a bit too soon. Take the next couple of months, try extending your range a bit then bid again. Thanks. --Ross^lessness 13:07, 5 April 2012 (BST)

Awesome, thanks. I'll keep contributing to the wiki as best as I can and might run again in a few months. Thanks to everyone for giving honest opinions on me, I'll try to work towards the breadth of experience of both the wiki and game needed to be an effective system operator. In pursuit of this, I've created a new PKer account and I hope to see a few of you in-game. ;) --Shortround }.{ My Contributions 14:04, 5 April 2012 (BST)

Speaking about marketing. Lol. Generaloberst 15:53, 6 April 2012 (BST)

Yeah LOL appeasing the masses i have no idea how to relate to to that at all, and why not? I don't please the masses and my bid and 'career' turned out just fine- Oberst D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 08:20, 7 April 2012 (BST)