Talk:Project Welcome

I wondered what the W link in britz so I clicked it. Good initiative. sign me up.--Vista 22:11, 12 Feb 2006 (GMT)

You mean it's a bad thing to torment new guys? Dammit! --TheTeeHeeMonster 01:39, 13 Feb 2006 (GMT)

Well, yeah. We could be antagonising someone who otherwise might be a brilliant wiki user! And we certainly want as many of them as we can! -- Odd Starter ^{talk | Mod | W!} 08:05, 13 Feb 2006 (GMT)

But what about the blatantly stupid ones who post the most over-done suggestions (sniper rifles, etc.) or spam on purpose? --TheTeeHeeMonster 15:06, 13 Feb 2006 (GMT)

And how do you know they're doing it on purpose? It's far better to politely point out why their suggestion isn't acceptable than to flame the living daylights out of the guy. I know my first suggestions weren't well-accepted (back in the day when Katthew was calling the shots), and I put some great thought into much of it. The first two suggestions on the current format were both mine, and both were pretty pathetic. If it's just ignorance, and not malice, we have a duty to educate, not attack. -- Odd Starter ^{talk | Mod | W!} 22:25, 13 Feb 2006 (GMT)

not impale and scavaging?--Vista 23:16, 13 Feb 2006 (GMT)

Correct! Now you're getting the hang of it! :) -- Odd Starter ^{talk | Mod | W!} 01:30, 15 Feb 2006 (GMT)

I'm real happy I found this page. I was just thinking we needed a similar group/policy/project on the suggestion pages. I'll try to help, though I still feel the desire to "flame the living daylight" out of some of them, sometimes. Guess I'll have to be careful. --McArrowni 04:01, 15 Feb 2006 (GMT)

I'm in. Anything to help the influx of new players.--Andrew McM 14:36, 16 Feb 2006 (GMT)

Great idea! It's nice to see someone organized a "good cop" group to balance the WCDZ's "bad cop" approach. I do feel both are needed, as some people don't take hints well and at times deserve flaming - but it is really wonderful to see an organized effort to welcome new Wiki users. I'll hop aboard if there are no objections (since I will not relinquish my WCDZ membership, but I do enjoy helping with kindness more than with scorching). --Blahblahblah 20:08, 22 February 2006 (GMT)

You're more than welcome to join up, whenever you wish. -- Odd Starter ^{talk | Mod | W!} 23:32, 26 February 2006 (GMT)

I'm probably going to leave Project Welcome. Some new guys I just cannot stand. I gave them a chance, tried to help, but they just do worse and worse afterwards. So I'm going to reconsider wether or not I can live up to the expectations of project Welcome. --McArrowni ^W! 04:00, 2 March 2006 (GMT)

hi i think that your project is good so i join you it ok?--Kcold 21:47, 20 March 2006 (GMT)

Sounds like a good idea to me. I'm in. If that's ok. -- Krazy Monkey ^W! 18:57, 2 June 2006 (BST)

Welcome template

Why dont you guys create a welcome message and place it on the talk page from recently created users ? Wikipedia does it. They use a template to ease the job. --hagnat ^talk 18:54, 7 March 2006 (GMT)

I was looking at wikipedia and found the template i was talking about. Since my english isnt that great, i think am not the most suited to work on something like that. :( --hagnat ^{talk • wcdz} 19:37, 8 April 2006 (BST)

If you do the template, Hagnat, I'd be more than happy to do the English. The technical side of templates is most definitely not my forte. -Wyndal ^{(talk)-(W!)-(SGP)} 15:44, 25 April 2006 (BST)

Do we actually have any way of listing new users? Wikipedia has it as a part of their log system (see [1]). I wonder if the difference is because of mediawiki version (I belive UDWiki is running older branch) or is there some setting Kevan could tweak. Or is there some way of seeing new users? --Brizth ^{W! M T} 16:09, 25 April 2006 (BST)

To the best of my knowledge? No, we don't. But we can request that a big notice be made on the front page, something to the effect of "New to the Urban Dead Wiki? Click here to find information on how to use the Wiki. Click here to find assistance from Project Welcome." -Wyndal ^{(talk)-(W!)-(SGP)} 16:15, 25 April 2006 (BST)

By the way: the first 'click here' would have to be a link to a crash course on wiki-editing from the Help section, I think. -Wyndal ^{(talk)-(W!)-(SGP)} 16:17, 25 April 2006 (BST)

Ok, I think we need to revamp this template. It is a tad too long for a new person to be bothered reading it (And I know because I didn't for quite a while, and so did some others) so it needs to be made a little smaller methinks. Also, I am sick of newbies posting half-baked suggestions on the suggestions page before reading anything or even putting it up on the talk page, where it generally belongs. So, what do you guys think? I'm willing to make some drafts for a new template. --_Ducis ^Dux_Sloth^Talk 23:35, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

(Brought on by a discussion on the Vandal banning page and talk page) Not a member, but i actually agree with whats said by Dux Duxis above. Its too fucking huge for people to bother reading, and it reeks of mass produced tripe. Im willing to create a page to teach people how to edit the wiki, how to use the systems we have in place, and how to fiddle with various doohickies we have created, and the welcomenewbie template could then be amended to just be a genuine welcome text and a link to the guide, with a few lines explaining what the guide contains. If it is short, people will read, and as a page in its own right it will have a table of contents which can be used for much easier information referencing. You can cover a lot more ground and go into far more detail there than in a simple welcome template. Hell, id be willing to stick up a notification on the front page of the wiki like teh first day in malton guide has for such a guide, so its easy to reference, even after the template has been removed, and it can go from something just to teach newbies to something that can be used as a reference for more advanced wiki users as well. Surely something as useful as this is worth considering. Ill start to write something up in my userspace tomorrow after ive dealt with the arb case im involved in. --The Grimch ^{U! E! WAT!} 15:19, 16 October 2007 (BST)

Not wanting to spoil your well intentioned efforts here, but won't it be more usefull to made the template shorter (maybe just saying how to sign properly) and direct them towards the more complete Help:Contents page? It's not as if that page was written in ancient arabic... --Matthew Fahrenheit ^YRC☺T☺+1 16:05, 16 October 2007 (BST) EDIT: I mean, something like Jedaz's version below. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^YRC☺T☺+1 16:07, 16 October 2007 (BST)

Yes, thats a very good page, but very hidden as well (I had never seen it before). Unfortunately, the page does not contain guides on how to use suggestions, the danger reports, or other systems we have in place. As such i dont think it is sufficient. A new page does need to be created. --The Grimch ^{U! E! WAT!} 23:47, 16 October 2007 (BST)

New template

With the new smalltemplate rave that's going around the wiki, I decided to create Template:Smallwelcome, for those wanting to use lots and lots of small boxes. --Brizth ^W! 21:49, 9 April 2006 (BST)

	Project Welcome
	This user is a member of Project Welcome

I smalled Template:Projectwelcome2 into Template:Smallwelcome2. Credit for the original goes to Odd Starter. -Wyndal ^{(talk)-(W!)-(SGP)} 14:05, 25 April 2006 (BST)

	Project Welcome Member
	Need help? Just ask.

Another new template

Alright, thanks to Wyndal I made a template that will fit in with project welcome.Andrew McM ^W! 18:41, 25 April 2006 (BST)

	Grammar
	This user or group supports the use of proper grammar and spelling on the Wiki.

-Wyndal ^{(talk)-(W!)-(SGP)} 16:18, 25 April 2006 (BST)

• I bloody-well love you. -Wyndal ^{(talk)-(W!)-(SGP)} 13:57, 25 April 2006 (BST)
  • 'LOL' -- Andrew McM ^W! 14:04, 25 April 2006 (BST)
    • *gives cookies* -Wyndal ^{(talk)-(W!)-(SGP)} 18:52, 25 April 2006 (BST)

	Cookie Thief
	This user is not safe around unguarded cookies.

	Bandwagon
	This user has jumped on the template bandwagon.

-- Andrew McM ^W! 18:56, 25 April 2006 (BST)

<_< Hey. Let's not steal cookies. That's my job. >_> (I didn't really see the need to flagbox that Wyndal, just FYI) BuncyTheFrog ^{Talk GBP} 05:16, 27 April 2006 (BST)

Why not? It gets the message across. But then, I'm not exatly sure what the differnce is either.--Labine50 ^P!|MHG 04:38, 18 May 2006 (BST)

Not realy. Project Welcome is mainly about helping newer members out. My template is more to stop idiots voting with 'rofl great idea:)' -- Andrew McM ^W! 14:17, 18 May 2006 (BST)

Not sure whether this is the right place to post a help request, but here goes: I understand now how to archive an entire page, but is there a way of archiving just a page section instead of the whole page? Just a link to any instructions would be fine, I have looked, but can't find it. -Dog Deever ^T•Nec 15:50, 26 August 2006 (BST)

You know how when you archive a page, you just copy and paste the page onto an archive page, then delete the original text? Do the same thing, but don't copy as much. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 18:34, 26 August 2006 (BST)

Welcoming advice

Moved from Kevan's talk page -- boxy ^{T L ZS Nuts2U DA} 12:04, 14 May 2007 (BST)

I saw that you have been asked if newbies could automatically be greeted with some kind of instructing message before they start editing. A long time ago, I proposed MediaWiki:Welcomecreation as a candidate where said greeting could be placed for every newbie to see, but as it is a quite important page the wiki doesn't let me edit it, and maybe not even Sysops can. Maybe with the page in mind you can figure out something to adress Boxy's request? --Matthew Fahrenheit ^YRC☺T☺+1 06:57, 14 May 2007 (BST)

You little beauty, that's what I was looking for. Found system messages a few days ago, and was looking through it for just that page (just didn't get to it, and got distracted elsewhere and didn't get back to it). Now we've just got to decide if we want a welcome message for newbies. In looking around for ways to do this, I came upon a few discussions where people arn't all that impressed with having automated messages sent to newbies (not personal enough). Anyway, it should be discussed... where's the best place for that, I don't think it's worth a policy discussion itself, at this stage at least -- boxy ^{T L ZS Nuts2U DA} 09:01, 14 May 2007 (BST)

If you ask me, that's a "only show once" page, so the message should be really brief. An extremely shortened version of the eye catching {{Welcomenewbie}} template, resuming how to sign properly and maybe other really basic stuff should be enough, with a link to the more complete template and the Help. If you want the whole {{Welcomenewbie}} template to be shown, a bot including it on every newbie's talk page should work better, as it's too long to be shown only once with any grade of effectivity. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^YRC☺T☺+1 09:35, 14 May 2007 (BST)

After consideration, I don't know if putting the welcomnewbie template on every newbie talk page (or sign up advice page) is wise. It's rather large. Perhaps a smaller template with links to a welcome page, with links to advice about common newbie mistakes -- boxy ^{T L ZS Nuts2U DA} 12:04, 14 May 2007 (BST)

Sounds good. Definitely the new template should have far fewer rules on it, if any. --Toejam 14:00, 14 May 2007 (BST)

I agree, but don't =P. Change the welcomenewbie template so it becomes the new, briefer template you want it to be, and make another page with greater insight about the wiki, so everyone that already has the template in his page doesn't get stuck with the long version because they missed the change. I'm actually acting like a bot now, adding the welcomenewbie template in every newbie's talk page, but with a compromise of taking care of any request for help that comes from my actions.

Just as a reminder, the idea of shortening the welcomenewbie template isn't new, but it's purpose has always remained the same: giving newbies their first briefing of the rules and standard rules when editting the wiki. By making it appear in every newbie's talk page we "achieve" that goal, but the sheer lenght of the template itself can make some just ignore it because of lazyness of their part. Shortening always is a good option to make it more likely to be read, but the little probabilities that a newbie will actually hit the link that points to more help is slim, if not unexistant. That's why, while we try to keep it short and eye catching, we still have a quite long version with most of the rules and advice we could fit there. Balance, my friends. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^YRC☺T☺+1 04:56, 15 May 2007 (BST)

Here's a prototype for the new briefer template:

Welcome

Welcome to the wiki Project Welcome ! This is a semi-automated message with information useful to new editors such as yourself.

General Editing

Editors should sign their comments because it makes it easier for other people to follow the conversation. You can do this either by writing "~~~~" after your comment, or there's a button () on the top of the edit page that writes it for you. Editors mustn't delete anyone else's comments; <reason goes here>. The main exception is if the comment is on their own user_talk page (for you, that's this page). There's plenty more information about editing the wiki over at Help, including a quickstart for new editors. Have fun!

I've cut out all but the most important stuff, and tried to make it a bit less threatening than the current welcomenewbie template. Is there any other information that's critical for new users?--Toejam 11:52, 15 May 2007 (BST)

Nice template. It has the most important stuff in it. --JudeMaverick 13:39, 15 May 2007 (BST)

I'll rather stay out of this until you guys come up with a template you want to use, as I can't help to feel like you're butchering the template (heh). Just be sure to have a good consensus before changing the template =). --Matthew Fahrenheit ^YRC☺T☺+1 19:16, 15 May 2007 (BST)

That template is okay, but since it's a prototype, it's jacked. The reason for not editing other people's comments (don't put words in other people's mouths!) isn't...uh, there, and "...is on their own user_talk page (for you, that's this page)." is messed up. Other then that, I think such a auto-template is a good idea and this one is almost lovely enough...--Lachryma^☭ 04:58, 17 May 2007 (BST)

I think this is pretty good. I like the idea about having a shortened version. Should we link it to the bigger version perhaps, with both templates linking to the help section? I'd like to clean up the help section and make the different areas in the help: space more clear and organised instead of a bunch of links in a box at the bottom of the page. Actually, I'm a little confused about the template itself. Will the little one flash up once, then get replaced by the bigger one, or will it come up once and go away, or stay there like the current one? Damn, I'm starting to really confuse myself! --_Ducis ^Dux_Sloth^Talk 12:07, 18 May 2007 (BST)

You might want to mention Project Welcome in the template so new users can ask questions right away off the bat. If you make it clear enough, more people will use it. I find a lot of new users don't come across the project welcome page after quite a while. Actually, why not just put more links in the template itself? That was the direction we were moving in the discussion located here. And if we clean up the help area, I think it would all work really well. I think the template should somehow reflect a similar structure to the help pages, like a smaller mirror. That way newbs know where they are going when they follow a link to the relevant area. Hmmm, I have a heap of idea buzzing around in my head. Unfortunately it's pretty late, so they are all just spewing out at once all over the place... hence the double post.

Plus remember that many users sign up on the wiki so they can make suggestions. I think there should be something about that mentioned there as well, with a reminder to understand basic editing first before suggesting willy-nilly. Hmmmmmm..... --_Ducis ^Dux_Sloth^Talk 12:22, 18 May 2007 (BST)

I've expanded a little on toejams welcome template, mainly adding a bit of advice about errors that newbies commonly make -- boxy ^{T L ZS Nuts2U DA} 15:06, 18 May 2007 (BST)

Welcome

Welcome to the wiki Project Welcome ! This is a semi-automated message with information useful to new editors such as yourself.

General Editing

Editors should sign their comments because it makes it easier for other people to follow the conversation. You can do this either by writing "~~~~" after your comment, or there's a button () on the top of the edit page that writes it for you. Please respect other peoples group and user pages. Editing them without permission may be viewed as vandalism. If you wish to contact others, please use the discussion (talk) pages attached to them. Users shouldn't edit anyone else's comments, to do so is considered impersonation, or delete them. The main exception is if the comment is on their own user talk page, they may be deleted in good faith (your talk page is here). If you wish to create pages for your urban dead characters, they should be placed either on your userpage, [[User:Project Welcome|]], or as a subpage of it (User:Project Welcome/Character Name). There's plenty more information about editing the wiki over at Help, including a quickstart for new editors. Have fun!

Maybe an extended version of the help link, with links to pages explaining a few more aspects of the wiki? Perhaps a table down the bottom with single work links? -- boxy ^{T L ZS Nuts2U DA} 15:06, 18 May 2007 (BST)

You can't use that code that says "your blah blah is here" since this won't be on their talk page...it'll be on the special page they see! So no {{PAGENAME}} template! Anyway, a little table with links would be an excellent idea.--Lachryma^☭ 15:13, 18 May 2007 (BST)

Oh, good point. Bugger... how to tell them where to find their userpage without being long winded about it? :( -- boxy ^{T L ZS Nuts2U DA} 15:19, 18 May 2007 (BST)

Duh, that's what I was saying way up there! Anyway, maybe Kevan can use some special code (like what's in the top left corner) to make an insta-link to their user page...--Lachryma^☭ 15:27, 18 May 2007 (BST)

Yes, I have a feeling that it all should be written in a different code than we use here... but it's too late for me to digest, ATM... System messages help. Can see myself stuffing this up if I'm not careful -- boxy ^{T L ZS Nuts2U DA} 15:35, 18 May 2007 (BST)

Not to sound like a dick, but did nobody take notice with what I posted above? I have a few questions I'd like answered as well. --_Ducis ^Dux_Sloth^Talk 03:00, 19 May 2007 (BST)

The guys here want to place a simplified Welcomenewbie template in http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/MediaWiki:Welcomecreation. That page is basically a system message that appears ONCE and only ONCE, when you create a new account. Obviously then, it won't be saved in anyone's talk page or anything, neither will it be "replaced" by the current one after the user creates his account.

That said, the "only once" factor is why people wants this as resumed and attractive to read as possible. If we add info about the suggestions page, the community pages, etc, then people will just go over it as the usual charlatanery and then never see it again. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^YRC☺T☺+1 03:37, 19 May 2007 (BST)

Wow, I got grouped as "The guys here"! Yessss! Anyway, Dux, you were ignored because you were ignorant. Or because we are such slimy bastards that we didn't bother to tell you what was going on. Luckily, the same slimy bastards that ignored your valid questions and blew you off have nothing to do with answering newbies' questions...wait...Moving along, does anyone feel fired up enough to look at boxy's link?--Lachryma^☭ 03:51, 19 May 2007 (BST)

Thank you Matthew, that is all I needed to hear. Lach, I've been a bit ignorant because I've been swamped with study and assignments recently, and would have participated with the discussion earlier if I could. Which Media Wiki version are we running here on UD? --_Ducis ^Dux_Sloth^Talk 03:57, 19 May 2007 (BST)

As usual, I am misunderstood. Woe is me. I...was...joking. So go study some more! ;) Oh, and the MediaWiki version? I think it's 1.9.3--Lachryma^☭ 04:01, 19 May 2007 (BST)

(To Boxy) If you replace {{PAGENAME}} with $1 then it should work as you want it. - Jedaz^{ΣT MC ΞD CT SR: 07:04, 22 May 2007 (GMT)}

Only on that special welcom page? Do you know if all the other wiki coding work? -- boxy ^{T L ZS Nuts2U DA} 09:52, 22 May 2007 (BST)

Yep, only on that special page. Basicaly it replaces the text $1 with a variable passed through in the code. Once it's done that it will parse the text. So all of the wiki code will work. So the template should be as follows.

Welcome

Welcome to the wiki Project Welcome ! This is a semi-automated message with information useful to new editors such as yourself.

General Editing

Editors should sign their comments because it makes it easier for other people to follow the conversation. You can do this either by writing "~~~~" after your comment, or there's a button () on the top of the edit page that writes it for you. Please respect other peoples group and user pages. Editing them without permission may be viewed as vandalism. If you wish to contact others, please use the discussion (talk) pages attached to them. Users shouldn't edit anyone else's comments, to do so is considered impersonation, or delete them. The main exception is if the comment is on their own user talk page, they may be deleted in good faith (your talk page is here). If you wish to create pages for your urban dead characters, they should be placed either on your userpage, $1, or as a subpage of it (User:$1/Character Name). There's plenty more information about editing the wiki over at Help, including a quickstart for new editors. Have fun!

I'm 99% sure that it will work as expected. I can give it a shot on the SW wiki to make sure first if you want. (I'm, sure Mo won't mind) - Jedaz^{ΣT MC ΞD CT SR: 09:37, 22 May 2007 (GMT)}

Created

Well, I created it... hopefully it works properly. I guess we'll find out if it's a stuff up, when heaps of newbies start creating their userpages in even stranger places than they normally do >:) -- boxy ^{T L ZS Nuts2U DA} 11:19, 22 May 2007 (BST)

Hmm... Strange places... Can't wait to see an userpage on Project Welcome soon! It is very summarized. Good job, boxy. --JudeMaverick ^{W! TJ! Talk Zzz... P!} 11:21, 22 May 2007 (BST)

Well it was a true community effort, I just did the biz ;) -- boxy ^{T L ZS Nuts2U DA} 11:23, 22 May 2007 (BST)

Just want to be a popular user, eh? --JudeMaverick ^{W! TJ! Talk Zzz... P!} 11:25, 22 May 2007 (BST)

Want more help next time, that's what I want :P -- boxy ^{T L ZS Nuts2U DA} 11:41, 22 May 2007 (BST)

Is there anything else that needs to be included? Perhaps a link to a page where they can ask wiki related questions where they will be answered quickly? (We should have one that everyone on the welcoming committee has on their watchlist) -- boxy ^{T L ZS Nuts2U DA} 11:23, 22 May 2007 (BST)

That can be a subpage of the Project Welcome or the Wiki Questions... --JudeMaverick ^{W! TJ! Talk Zzz... P!} 11:25, 22 May 2007 (BST)

Yeah, Wiki Questions looks like the go -- boxy ^{T L ZS Nuts2U DA} 11:41, 22 May 2007 (BST)

Really great job guys. I thank all who were a part of this. Especially the ones who dug through tedious code to get it to work... --_Ducis ^Dux_Sloth^Talk 12:05, 22 May 2007 (BST)

Oh, please, don't flatter me, I know I did all the job XD </sarcasm>. About if there's something missing, a lot of people enters the wiki just to ask questions about the game. To point them towards the FAQ would be a nice addition.

Minor complaint: IE sucks, Internet access at corner stores suck, I want my mozilla powered PC!! *cries*--Matthew Fahrenheit ^YRC☺T☺+1 15:35, 22 May 2007 (BST)

Yeah my college uses IE6 still, and all webpages look totally fucked. --_Ducis ^Dux_Sloth^Talk 23:46, 22 May 2007 (BST)

Please check who you are welcoming

I know that there have been a few complaints about this, one of them mine. Some people don't like it when other people assume that because they don't have anything on their user page or they didn't feel like making a user page that they don't know better or would be happy with a page they don't want and can't delete(and if they do odds are that it will just get readded the same way.). Check they contributions, see what they have done before posting the template, it's not a hard thing to do and the template isn't always welcome or taken kindly.--karek 16:59, 10 July 2007 (BST)

Indeed. That's my major issue with it, too. It comes off as terribly condescending to people who have been around on the wiki for a while when some tard who doesn't know anything about them - and hasn't bothered to check - treats them as if they've only just arrived. --Cyberbob ^{DORIS CGR U!} 17:04, 10 July 2007 (BST)

just to make it clear. I never felt so ashamed os suggesting something like this in the past. Damn, this template sux. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 21:10, 10 July 2007 (BST)

I have apologized toward users that didn't like the template, while explaining that automatically feeling insulted because a template that supposes you a newbie (not a noob) is placed on your talk page is immature. Your points have been considered in the past and it's far more helpful to place the template on 9 newbie's talk pages and a not-so-new user's than leaving that only user happy with his unexistant talk page (and, really, who would cry because he/she has a talk page?) and the other 9 editing without any hint. I really would like you to focus your efforts at embettering the template, or even better, place it yourselves so you know I'm not benefiting of having my sig at the end of it, and you will be saving me a lot of work. I don't check contributions (unless I suspect the user is a vandal) and I don't think I will be checking in the near future as I have a tight agenda (I work, I study, I take care of my grandma since she's alone around two months ago), and as far as I know no user has claimed to check contributions while placing the template in a constant pace.

Now, please put yourselves in my shoes: Three users that have showed constant dislike against me (even to the point of commiting vandalism) are requesting a template that was mainly my idea to be underused. By giving you a proper answer I'm doing you more than a favor guys. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^YRC☺T☺+1 22:58, 10 July 2007 (BST)

Honestly I couldn't care less about people not liking you. Stop whining about doing the job, you don't have to. And none of what you said excuses not doing it the right way. Do it right or don't do it at all, and you're refusing to check if you are doing it right while creating a page for a user in a method that will lead to the page getting created again if they delete it(I do believe you said you do it based on who doesn't have a user/user_talk page.) You're volunteering your time, you don't need to do it and if you're doing it wrong you shouldn't be doing it. Do it right or not at all And that would be my views on your excuses.--karek 23:04, 10 July 2007 (BST)

Karek, our views of what is rightly done and not differ. That's all I need to say. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^YRC☺T☺+1 23:10, 10 July 2007 (BST)

Actually your reasoning isn't entirely correct. It's placed on never before edited talk pages. Removing the template does not revert the talk page to a red link. So no, it will not lead to the page getting created again and again. The users get this template only once.-- Vista  +1  23:19, 10 July 2007 (BST)

But that said, I have begone checking the edits and altered the message slightly if they were indeed experienced editors to adress you concerns. perhaps it's worth considering for matthew as well.-- Vista  +1  23:46, 10 July 2007 (BST)

I know that Vista, I meant requesting it be deleted or having it deleted as it should be for being wiped by the user, which I'm pretty sure is a speedy delete criteria. If they don't want to have the page they shouldn't be forced to.--karek 00:00, 11 July 2007 (BST)

Perhaps surprising but very few people have asked their talk pages to be wiped. Not one in fact. And no, wiping your own talk page does not result in an automatic request for speedy delete, It's different from a content page in that. And requiring the people welcoming users to ask them if we may use their talk page is somewhat counterproductive as the question would necessarily use talk page. So yes, people are forced to have talk pages, they have no say in that matter at all. However, nobody is forced to have this template on their talk page. Everybody may remove it. this is mentioned on the template itself as well. And at the moment the amount of positive feedback is several times larger then the negative feedback as of yet.-- Vista  +1  00:10, 11 July 2007 (BST)

:::::::: I'm just saying they should be sure the right people are getting the template and not people who don't want the template or anything on there. Not forcing them to ask permission but to check if the person is actually new. If they are too lazy to check if the person is actually new they shouldn't be adding the templates in the first place.--karek 00:14, 11 July 2007 (BST)

It really doesn't take significant effort to check the date of the user's oldest contribution, and see that it is, for example, one year, seven months, seven days, twenty-one hours, and forty-three minutes ago. That's all we're asking. Hell, most of them time, I'm betting you don't even have to check the oldest. You can just scroll a ways down the first page of contributions. -Ornithopter 20:44, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Addition Perhaps?

Well, a friend of mine asked me to create them a user page as they knew little wiki code, nor html. So I thought, while I do this, why not do it in a manner that can be used by many. So I came up with this little page: Template:LogansUserPage Let me know if you think this would be a good addition to the welcome message or if there would be some needed changes first? ~ Logan Ash ~ 11:29, 22 July 2007 (BST)

My first thought is, "don't confuse the newbies". They don't need templated user pages until they get more familiar with the wiki -- boxy ^{T Nuts block it! DA} 11:33, 22 July 2007 (BST)

I tried to make is simple. It's a lot of just filling in the blank to get the desired effect. ~ Logan Ash ~ 11:47, 22 July 2007 (BST)

There already is a mega user page template somewhere on the wiki. Can't remember where, you'll find it if you look long enough in the template category. More comprehensive than yours, as well I have to admit. --_Ducis ^Dux_Sloth^Talk 11:59, 22 July 2007 (BST)

I tried to look around a bit in the template sections and stuff. Couldn't spot anything. Also, this is just a basic one, as I only worked on if for a few hours. I do plan on adding more to it later. Thus the section about other links. I'll look about to see if I can hunt this other one down. ~ Logan Ash ~ 12:02, 22 July 2007 (BST)

Subst Version of Welcomenewbie

This Fool and myself cooked up a subst version of the welcomenewbie template, signature and header included. It should work, but if you're having problems with it, please contact either myself or Target Zombie. --User:Axe27/Sig 16:25, 12 October 2007 (BST)

New User Talk Page

Might not be a bad idea to create a "New User Talk Page" and include it on the welcome template. We could sort of "cut them off at the pass". Invite them to talk there and ask questions; most of the major mistakes (not signing/dating/proper indenting) could be caught and corrected there. It could also provide an open discussion/question area. All project welcome members could add it their watch list and drop in to answer their questions. Perhaps it could be a "free for all" area where new users wouldn't have to worry about "breaking the rules". You know, sort of take the pressure off and get down to brass tacks.--Airborne88^T|ZC|MI|E! 03:42, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

You're looking for Project Mentor, it's a right at the fork for useful and useless projects, you took a left down spamcrap lane and ended up here. Backtrack and look for might-be-helpful avenue.--Karek^maps?! 06:02, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Hello,asking for help

Hello i am new with the wikipedia and urbandead wiki...this is the place to request for help? I have my personal , group article but i want to learn more.--Alvaromesa 05:52, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Sure thing! What are you interested in? I'm certainly not a guru, but I have learned a TON in my three months here. ~ extropymine ^{Talk | NW | 4Corners} 05:54, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

I'll help too. Just post back here! Linkthewindow  Talk  05:58, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Hello .wow! you are from necrowatch? thank for your job really help ! ok i am interested i learn and help other, can you teach me to edit my signature?--Alvaromesa 06:00, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Sure! The step-by-step instructions are here: Help:Templated_Signatures. That ought to get you started, at least to get a siggy up and running. The other thing I found to be helpful was to look on the user pages of others who I thought had neat signatures, and looking at the code for them. I ripped code from at least three people for mine! ~ extropymine ^{Talk | NW | 4Corners} 06:04, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Oh, and thanks! I was invited to join NW when I first got active on the Wiki, and though it is frustrating sometimes (so many generators!), it's a blast and I'm pleased to help out others by reporting in as often as I can. ~ extropymine ^{Talk | NW | 4Corners} 06:06, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Sorry but this Sig edits is dificult..maybe begin with something easy and after that create my sig--Alvaromesa 06:11, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

No worries. Do you need help setting up the signature sub-page? We could help with that, though you will have to set your preferences (detailed here) yourself. ~ extropymine ^{Talk | NW | 4Corners} 06:16, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

i am learning how to do it, but i need help to put my group in my sig! can help me?--(x)Alvaromesa^{Talk | Bacardi |MPD | Malton Public Radio} 06:32, 19 March 2009 (UTC) 1---ok ..thanks!--(x)Alvaromesa^{Talk | Bacardi |MPD | Malton Public Radio} 06:41, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Sure. Let's say you wanted to put DEM in your signature. You could use code like this:

[[User:Alvaromesa|Lt. Mesa]] <sup>[[User_talk:Alvaromesa|Talk]] | [[DEM]]</sup>

That ought to work. ~ extropymine ^{Talk | NW | 4Corners} 06:43, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

ok i do it...06:41, 19 March 2009 (UTC)this bloks with the hours aren a problem not?--(x)Alvaromesa^{Talk | Bacardi |MPD | Malton Public Radio} 06:48, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm not sure what happened there... do you mind if I look at your sig page and see if I can figure it out? ~ extropymine ^{Talk | NW | 4Corners} 06:50, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

No problem ...and thanks ..new sig--(x)Alvaromesa^{Talk | Bacardi |MPD | Malton Public Radio} 06:52, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

I fixed a formatting error in the sig, but honestly, I'm not sure why your timestamp was screwy. Link may be more helpful there. Anyway, it seems to work fine now. ~ extropymine ^{Talk | NW | 4Corners} 06:56, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Yeah and again really thanks! Can you teach some more? but another day! i need to go out...bye and thanks!--(x)Alvaromesa^{Talk | Bacardi |MPD | Malton Public Radio} 06:58, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Anytime! And if you like, you can reach me directly on my talk page... or we chat on yours! Have a great night, glad I could help! ~ extropymine ^{Talk | NW | 4Corners} 06:59, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Member List

It says over the list to sign with three tildes, but every single entry in the list is based on a [[user:username|username]] format; which is it, or is either acceptable? —The preceding Template:Wikipedia comment was added by Lelouch (talk • contribs) 16:12, July 24, 2009.

Use [[User:<name>|<name>]]. ~~~ should do this automatically, unless your preferences regarding your sig do something otherwise. --Bob Boberton ^{TF / DW} 17:20, 24 July 2009 (BST)

Three tildes (~~~) does give [[User:<name>|<name>]] when saved. Try it. Just like 4 tildes automatically signs your post with a timestamp, and 5 tildes gives just the timestamp -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 23:57 24 July 2009 (BST)

Unless you have a linked signature, then it signs your liked sig. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 00:02, 25 July 2009 (BST)

Ah yes. If you're able to work out a templated sig, then you're just going to have to work out how to link to your user page manually, I guess :p Damn those templated sigs... damn them to hell -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 00:12 25 July 2009 (BST)

Template Help

Hey, this seemed better than Mentor so, can someone teach me how to make templates. I am a noob in wiki code. Cookies and Cream 18:23, 4 August 2009 (BST)

On it. --ϑϑℜ 03:31, 5 August 2009 (BST)

Inactives

Would anybody object if I trimmed users from the member list that haven't been active in over 6 months? A year? --Bob Boberton ^{TF / DW} 23:56, 21 November 2009 (BST)

I'd say 3-4 months would be enough, 6-12 is way too lenient. Anyone can just re-add themselves if they return. 00:00, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Just make it 2 months. If you haven't edited in 2 months you aren't going to be much on-the-spot use to a newbie. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 04:21, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Fuck it, make it a month. Anyone that cares can add themselves back in anyway.-- SA 04:35, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

I removed about every inactive for around a month and a half or more or something or other. Blamblamblam! --Bob Boberton ^{TF / DW} 07:32, 22 November 2009 (BST)

Hor-Li

Why should the horizontal line be used sparingly? --  ▧  ^{: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :} 20:23, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

New Template

I made a template which (I think) is more concise and less patronising than the existing one. I'd very much appreciate people's input. --Dawkins ^{[T][P!][W!][♞]} is currently: having his arm torn off by a zombie. 20:13, 27 July 2010 (BST)