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Let In Light

Timestamp:	Techercizer^(Food)_(TSoE) 19:09, 15 August 2008 (BST)
Type:	Fix/improvement
Scope:	Ruined Dark Buildings
Description:	Well We all know that Malton has neither eternal night or day, nor an alteration between the two; but regardless, there is enough light outside for some buildings with windows to facilitate searching. Dark Buildings are dark because they lack those openings, but if they've been ruined long enough, their roof caves in, leaving the building, oddly enough, still in darkness. My suggestion is that any Ruined Dark Building that has decayed to the point of having weeds growing, a caved in roof...etc, be treated until repaired as one with enough light to preform basic tasks such as seeing corpses and attacking. This would not buff search or repair rates, or otherwise treat the building as a normal building that happens to be dark. The basic premise of this is that small patches of light can make their way in, enough to see dim outlines like bodies, or to be able to follow a moving target, but not enough for any real detail to be seen (I.E. being able to see items or repair targets). Basically, any Dark Building with indications of having a caved in or open roof in its description has visible bodies and no combat debuff.

Discussion (Let In Light)

Completely Revamped this suggestion. what do you think of it now? And if anyone has an idea for a better name, let me know. Techercizer^(Food)_(TSoE) 19:34, 16 August 2008 (BST)

So you're saying that buildings that have the collapsed roof description shouldn't be dark? Can't really tell what you're suggesting --Diablor 21:48, 15 August 2008 (BST)

If a Dark building's roof has collapsed, or it has weeds growing..etc (any indication that the roof has fallen in), then it be treated as a powered dark building for purposes of repair, I.E. It can be repaired without setting up a generator. Techercizer^(Food)_(TSoE) 21:59, 15 August 2008 (BST)

Yea that makes sense, as to relieve some of the stress on repairing extremely ruined buildings. --Diablor 01:17, 16 August 2008 (BST)

You edit conflicted me writing that.. See my post below... Diablor, if survivors weren't so fucking LAZY, no buildings outside of places like Easton and Dumbell Hills (maybe) would be that high. Quit whining and do something. With 13,000 plus active survivors, there is no excuse for whinging about it. None. --WanYao 01:22, 16 August 2008 (BST)

The places this would apply would be few... although, seeing as many dark ruins are neglected... it's more common than you think. It's pro-survivor and anti-zombie -- because it nerfs ~~darkness~~ decay, and because it allows barracades to be built in the most horrific of places to be a hungry zombie... But, any place it'd apply to would have very large cost to repair... And, this might offer a tiny bit of encouragement to the 13,000 odd lazy ass survivors letting fully 1/3 of the map rot in Decay. Seriously, I am seeing tons of buildings, in suburbs with very few zombies, that are 60+ AP to repair. The greater survivor community is PATHETIC. --WanYao 01:21, 16 August 2008 (BST)

Indeed, there is no doubt that many survivors are lazy beyond excuse, but as you said, this change would encourage the repair of those greatly damaged buildings, and as such the reclamation of ghost towns (especially amongst non-metagamers). Techercizer^(Food)_(TSoE) 01:27, 16 August 2008 (BST)

This change would "reward" survivors for being lazy fucks. Oh, a building is at 38 AP to repair with a gennie? I'll just wait another week and when the ceiling collapses I won't need the generator. Yeah, I should have just bucked up and got a gennie and fixed it, but since I didn't want to waste the AP to find one I now have to waste more AP to repair the building. (That doesn't make sense, Tech.)--– Nubis ^NWO 03:57, 16 August 2008 (BST)

You didn't spend the AP to find a generator, so now you have to spend the extra cost that has accumulated. This suggestion isn't meant to reward or penalize survivors for waiting to repair, the current AP cost increase system does that just fine. This is just meant to add realism, and more importantly to encourage the repair of ghost-towns and long damage buildings by non-metagaming survivors. Techercizer^(Food)_(TSoE) 04:32, 16 August 2008 (BST)

But you are making it easier to repair. That's like saying after the walls collapse you won't need a toolbox anymore or wait a little bit longer and you can repair it without the construction skill. Taking away parts needed to fix something nerfs the ruin mechanic.

To repair a building you need: AP, toolbox, construction, generator. Wait X days and to repair the same building you will only need: AP, toolbox, and construction. AP regenerates. Even if it gets up to 1 million AP you will still get it back without effort. Changing the mechanic (in this way) nerfs the mechanic. Which buffs survivors when they don't deserve it.--– Nubis ^NWO 05:48, 16 August 2008 (BST)

I think this is a good balance between fixing a fairly glaring realism issue and giving survivors a super buff. Although i do agree survivors are lazy fucks for not repairing dark buildings in well relatively well managed burbs. Also as Wan, there is probably a total of about 100 survivor players out there trying to repair buildings in neglected areas, i fucking can't wait for some huge horde to go and fuck up all the malls and forts in the eastern states and have a whole bunch of displaced retards with nowhere to go.--x o x o 02:23, 16 August 2008 (BST)

Join me at the Trood Building, in Dullston, J3D .... WanYao 03:12, 16 August 2008 (BST)

You would logically rebuild the roof as a first step in repairs, and then its gonna be dark again, so you should still need a generator for repairs. What I COULD see doing is dropping the OTHER effects of darkness while the roof is collapsed, which might in fact be a zombie buff, as it makes them less appealing as hiding places. Swiers 04:43, 16 August 2008 (BST)

I thought about that, but it seems to big a change to remove a building's entire Dark status due to aging, and if your only light source was coming in from a hole in the roof, what would you repair first? my main reason for proposing this is not to add realism, but to assist in the reclamation of long-ruined buildings for non-metagaimng survivors. as it is, it's just getting nuts. I think this change is a necessary one that improves the game, while not going too far or unbalancing it. Techercizer^(Food)_(TSoE) 04:49, 16 August 2008 (BST)

"Going nuts" seems a bit melodramatic. Ruined dark buildings really don't hurt survivors. In fact, they provide dandy entry points. Think about it- what if every dark building in the city were a perma-ruin, and could never be repaired. Would it really matter?

Swiers 05:19, 16 August 2008 (BST)

Fine, would you prefer it if I also negated the attack debuff? Techercizer^(Food)_(TSoE) 05:30, 16 August 2008 (BST)

All barricade plans should be scrapped and re-designed around perma-ruined Dark buildings as entry points. It'd be a fucking fantastic idea. --WanYao 05:36, 16 August 2008 (BST)

Tech- yeah, get rid of the combat de-buff, and also let people see dead bodies. That's really the number one thing that makes dark buildings so hard to re-take anyhow; if you kill a zombie inside one, you can't dump the body!
Wan- no doubt, I said that since ruin was first introduced. You still need VSB resource buildings (NT, Hospital, PD) for newbies (current plans also lack these, at least as implemented) but you could get rid of all the other other entry points and let ruins do the job. 07:01, 16 August 2008 (BST)

Revamped the suggestion. What do you think of it now? Techercizer^(Food)_(TSoE) 19:35, 16 August 2008 (BST)

Seems good. Gives the trenchies a reason to go kill zombies where it will do some good, or at least removes the discouragement, without changing the basic mechanics of requiring a generator.

Swiers 00:05, 17 August 2008 (BST)

I take the viewpoint that the weeds grow towards the light (such as there is) and so block it that way. Dark buildings aren't the problem here – most of these long-ruined buildings are NOT dark! ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 08:00, 17 August 2008 (BST)

Dark buildings are not that common. Ruined dark buildings arent even a problem for people, regardless of how far ruined they are. 1 day? three years? no fucking difference. A dark building entry point for survivors is like christmas to the older generation of whiners who moaned about everything being overcadesd and wanted to be able to see entry points. Well, now you can. Stop fucking whining already. --The Grimch ^{U! E!} 13:58, 17 August 2008 (BST)

Crawforde

Timestamp:	Blake Firedancer ^{T E RNL? P.I.S.I.T.} 13:34, 15 August 2008 (BST)
Type:	A whole new goddamn city!
Scope:	Everyone bored with Malton and Monroeville
Description:	As it turns out, before the zombie outbreak occured in Malton, there was a sample of the then-dormant zombie virus sent to NecroTech's Regional Headquarters located in downtown Crawforde. After Malton went into zombie quarantine, the scientists at Crawforde decided to work on an antidote to the zombie outbreak, using their sample as a research subject. This is where the updated version of the revivification syringes came from once the zombies had started to adapt to the earlier formula. Now, as it turns out, the virus has escaped its Crawforde containment and has run amok, much like it did in Malton. Cue yet another military quarantine, as well as a shutdown of all NT research in other cities, pending a full investigation. Essentially, this adds a new city to the mix: Crawforde. This city is a combination of the ideas in both Malton and Monroeville. It has the same basic shape as Malton, except the districts are more distinct and less grid-ish, like Monroeville. Most of them still fit the grid-like pattern, however some districts may be more than one 'space' on this grid. Notable landmarks in Crawforde include: Longfin Island, Crystalline Bay, Rouke Bridge, Hallister Bridge & Tallis Bridge To the south-east of Crawforde there is Longfin Island, named after a myth of the native inhabitants where the island was fished up by a deity, only to be tossed back for being undersized. Longfin Island is 2x3 Malton suburbs in dimensions, and has 3 bridges that cross the waters of Crystalline Bay, linking it to the rest of the island: Rouke, Hallister and Tallis. Tallis is the only one to the west of the island, and is 2 lanes wide. The other two are to the north and are 1 lane wide. Sheffield & Sons. Commercial Airport A small airport located on Longfin Island, the airport is a 5x3 area used as one of the two major evacuation points during the initial Crawforde outbreak. Here is a blueprint of the Sheffield Airport: The hangars would have item find rates similar to Auto Repair Yards. Each hangar is seperate, but are grouped together on the map for easy labelling. They are barricadable. The radio tower is a scaffolding with radar dishes on it. It is ruinable, and if ruined prevents survivors from using it to broadcast messages. Otherwise, transmitters inside the Terminal or Control Tower can be used with double the standard word limit. The control tower is barricadable, and can be used with binoculars. The terminal is one building, and is barricadable (but not from the other half of the building, like malls and other large buildings) The entrance behaves exactly like a Fort gatehouse. There is a fence running the perimeter of the airport; this is the only way in. The carpark is just a carpark, and the grass is just like a park. Crawforde Grand Central Station The second major evacuation route for Crawforde's citizens, the GCS is essentially a 3-square train station arranged in a line. The central part is the 'hub', where they used to have the train information on billboards. This area now serves much the same purpose as the billboards found around Malton, and is the only enterable square of the GCS. To the east and west you have the platforms used for east and west-bound trains. NecroTech Regional Headquarters Located in the central, most zombie-intense part of the city, this was where the Crawforde zombie uprising began. In gameplay terms, this is a Scientist's Fort, much how a mall is a Citizen's Fort. In this 3x3 walled complex, the Regional HQ has facilities for the processing and reviving of zombies (W square), as well as on-site employee quarters (SE square), a cafeteria (E square), infirmary (NE square) and even a crematorium (N square) for disposing of former test subjects. In the centre of the compound there is the Admin tower. Essentially the same as any other tower in any of the 3 quarantined cities, except that it offers NT clothes in addition to standard buisness suits. CBNN Complex Short for Crawforde Broadcasters News Network, this 2x2 TV station is located in the the North-Western area of the city. This building, once used to entertain the masses in Crawforde, it is now used to broadcast emergency messages to anyone who still has a working Television. Essentially what is stated here, except broadcasts are live, are made the same way as Radio Broadcasts, and include a link to the sender's profile. Crawforde University A sparse collection of buildings in the mid-Eastern section of the city, Crawforde University is where the brightest of the bright came to study art, literature and other such academia. Re-worked version of Malton University. ADDITIONAL 2: Crawforde Central Police Headquarters This 2x2 building, located on the West side of Crawforde, acts just like an enlarged regular PD, only the armoury contains Combat Shotguns as well as the regular kind. SE square: Administration SW square: Central booking NW square: Armoury NE square: Prison cells Oceanview Fort Located on the south side of Longfin Island, Oceanview Fort was built in 1925 in order to combat the threat of what was thought to be an incoming enemy fleet, but was instead a large school of whales. Since then, the fort has been modernised, and in its armoury can now be found Combat Shotguns and Submachine guns. Malls There are 4 malls in the city: Beachcomber Mall, located near the Northern shore of Crystalline Bay, Island Mall on Longfin, Silverroad Mall in the South-East, and Wild Hills Mall in the North. New item in Crawforde: Hunting Rifles removed. I thought they would be of some use in Crawforde. Apparently not. ADDITIONAL 1: Combat Shotguns can be found in the armouries at Crawforde Police Headquarters and Fort Oceanview, as Crawforde is a much more modernised city and as such has a better equipped police force. Regular shotguns can still be found in smaller PDs and in Malls. Submachine Guns can be found in Fort Oceanview's armoury. ADDITION 3: Map of Crawforde (Not to Scale) Brief rundown of the districts in Crawforde: Wild Hills A mostly woodland area, Wild Hills is home to the Wild Hills Mall and CBNN buildings. Resource Buildings Hospitals: None NT buildings: None Police Departments: None Fire Departments: None Notable Buildings: 2 Residential Area Mainly consisting of houses, schools and libraries, the Residential Area is where most of Crawforde's population settled down. Resource Buildings Hospitals: Moderate NT buildings: Few Police Departments: Moderate Fire Departments: Moderate Notable Buildings: University Slums Home to the lesser-off of Crawforde, the Slums contains a large amount of apartment blocks, hotels, motels and bars. Resource Buildings Hospitals: Few NT buildings: Few Police Departments: Moderate Fire Departments: Moderate Notable Buildings: None Watercrest This is where the more financially secure of Crawforde's citizens dwelled. Expect to come across the odd mansion here. Resource Buildings Hospitals: Moderate NT buildings: Moderate Police Departments: Few Fire Departments: Few Notable Buildings: None Central Buisness District The commercial side of Crawforde, expect to find numerous banks, monuments, parks and offices around this area. Resource Buildings Hospitals: Few NT buildings: Only the Regional HQ Police Departments: Moderate Fire Departments: Moderate Notable Buildings: 2 Western Crawforde Nothing really note-worthy in this district, aside from the Central Police Headquarters for Crawforde Resource Buildings Hospitals: Moderate NT buildings: Moderate Police Departments: Few Fire Departments: Moderate Notable Buildings: Crawforde Central Police HQ Southern Crawforde The shopping district for Crawforde. Many find Silverroad Mall to be better equipped than other malls, and often shop here instead. Resource Buildings Hospitals: Few NT buildings: Few Police Departments: Moderate Fire Departments: Few Notable Buildings: Silverroad Mall Bayside A tale of two districts, really. On the Crawforde side, Bayside contains multiple shops, hotel & casinos, bars and Beachcomber Mall. On the Longfin Island side, there's industrial port buildings, including many factories. Resource Buildings Hospitals: Few NT buildings: None Police Departments: Few Fire Departments: Few Notable Buildings: 4 Longfin Island Located in the bay, Longfin Island can be considered a substantial colony all its own. Resource Buildings Hospitals: Few NT buildings: Few Police Departments: Few Fire Departments: Few Notable Buildings: 3

Discussion (Crawforde)

You just barely reached double-digit level and you're already bored with the game? --Aeon17x 13:40, 15 August 2008 (BST)

Not really, I was just bored with the limited building types in Malton. --Blake Firedancer ^{T E RNL? P.I.S.I.T.} 02:45, 16 August 2008 (BST)

No sniping, no matter how far the idea is buried within another idea. Sniping would in no way help with holding the bridges. The zombies would just wait for all the trenchies to run out of ammo, stand up, and cross the bridge. --Bob Fortune ^RR 17:38, 15 August 2008 (BST)

Yep. Hear you actually made me think you had a well thought out and (if a little large-scale) passable idea, but the hunting rifle addition digs its own grave. Techercizer^(Food)_(TSoE) 18:18, 15 August 2008 (BST)

I do, however, like the idea of another "test city" with lots of large structures, especially the NT headquarters. Techercizer^(Food)_(TSoE) 18:19, 15 August 2008 (BST)

There are so many new city suggestions all the time... Meh... Instead of worrying about Monroeville or some new city, players should be focusing on Malton. In particular, there is a whole fucking NW and west side that needs survivors do go repair and cade. And the NE corner deserpately needs zombies. There is PLENTY to do in Malton, a lot of it dangerous and exciting... if you'd get off your asses and just do it. And this doesn't even touch on the many, many different styles of play you can adopt if you want more "variety"... No... Give it up already... If you're THAT bored, either you're not creative enough... or you need to find a different game to play. --WanYao 18:41, 15 August 2008 (BST)

OK, it was pretty late when I came up with this, note that I am adding some more onto it that I forgot to add in initially now. --Blake Firedancer ^{T E RNL? P.I.S.I.T.} 02:51, 16 August 2008 (BST)

I don't like new cities coz they detract from Malton, but if a new city was definately going to be introduced i do like the idea of this one, minus the snipers of course because despite being aware that they are constantly shot down you haven't grasped the main reason: they are totally useless! There is no reason to kill a zombie outside! You will spend way more ap killing it then it takes to stand up! Also as Wan, Malton is an exciting place at the moment :) --x o x o 03:10, 16 August 2008 (BST)

I figured that a sniper would work in Crawforde as some of the high-priority zombie targets (NT HQ, Airport) have tall buildings a square away from the entrance. This would allow survivors to snipe zombies from inside the safe area. However, as said, the ammo would be limited, to the point of uselessness.--Blake Firedancer ^{T E RNL? P.I.S.I.T.} 12:36, 16 August 2008 (BST)

Yeah, I like everything about this except the weapons. Combat Shotguns maaaay be alright, I'll get back to you on that, but Sniper Rifles? Not a chance. Techercizer^(Food)_(TSoE) 03:15, 16 August 2008 (BST)

I decided I'm okay with combat shoguns, but only inside a rare large building; like the Armory of a Fort or the Weapons Locker of one massive police building. In every police department is just too much, make them a resource that makes people and zombies want to fight over a building for!!! Techercizer^(Food)_(TSoE) 03:17, 16 August 2008 (BST)

Okay. Minor PDs in Crawforde would have standard Shotguns, the Crawforde Police Headquarters (location TBC) and the Oceanview Fortress (Fort on south of Longfin) would be the only places. --Blake Firedancer ^{T E RNL? P.I.S.I.T.} 03:36, 16 August 2008 (BST)

Now you're talking! If every large building in Malton has some powerful unique asset, item, service, or feature that can only be found there, it'd encourage combat over those areas, as well as adding interesting new gameplay! With all these potential survivor buffs, you might have to do something extra for zombies though... Techercizer^(Food)_(TSoE) 03:45, 16 August 2008 (BST)

Good point. I doubt that reduced NT building numbers (due to the presence of NT's Divisional HQ, there was less of a need for them around the city, pre-zombies) would be enough of a zombie buff.

Maybe making frequent brakes in free-running corridors, to limit Survivor movement? That probably wouldn't do it by itself... Maybe less resource buildings of all kinds (due to the "unique" locations and their survivor buff contents), coupled with few extensive free running corridors? This definitely seems like something you'll have to figure out over a decent period of time, with input from dozens of users, but I think it deserves to be explored. I know I'd want to play there! Techercizer^(Food)_(TSoE) 04:06, 16 August 2008 (BST)I HATE EDIT CONFLICTS! RARRRAAGAHHHRAAGGH!

Would a 2-lane highway down the centre of the city divide the free-running lanes enough? --Blake Firedancer ^{T E RNL? P.I.S.I.T.} 12:36, 16 August 2008 (BST)

Personally, I was thinking of having like "blocks" (like in real cities), with streets/wastelands/parks/monuments...etc. running in between building bunches, but that's just my take on it. I don't think a single division in the center of the city would really limit survivor movement that much however... Techercizer^(Food)_(TSoE) 19:37, 16 August 2008 (BST)

Simplist thing to say, if your going to come up with a whole new city....then do it! Both Malton and Monroeville are on a grid of 100 squares by 100 squares. Start there and make the city. Whether or not city ideas come up all the time (they don't, not really), the more compelte your idea, the better (regardless of the idea). We are here to discuss the idea, not do it for you.--Pesatyel 20:07, 16 August 2008 (BST)

I'm not sure about Pes' insistance on Apathy, but I do agree with one thing: Planning this thing out would make it much more likely to be implemented. Techercizer^(Food)_(TSoE) 21:17, 16 August 2008 (BST)

Apathy? Not apathy. I've just seen a LOT of suggestions that amounted to little more than "I want X". And that's it. That's easy. Just saying it. Anyone can do that, but it takes some thinking to come up with the how of it. If your going to make a suggestion, it would behoove you to MAKE a suggestion. How are we supposed to know what you had in mind? What we have to work with, as far as the discussion goes? YOU are making the suggestion X, not me. If you say "I think a chainsaw would be a good addition" I'd expect you to have SOME idea on the stats of the chainsaw. If you expect ME to come up with them, then I might as well be making the suggestion myself, right? But I'm not, YOU are (and, yes, I"m using the generic "you" to denote the author, not you specifically). Basically speaking, I'd have to believe the author of the idea has SOME idea, which, truth be told IS what we have here. But what I said still applies, given the enormous nature of the suggestion.--Pesatyel 07:59, 17 August 2008 (BST)

I may be stuck on a vehicle idea vein but, if the city is on several islands and you're already adding in new guns, why not personal boats? That could add in another large maybe 2x1 industrial dock structure as well. Just a thought considering you would have squares containing only water.--Ninja13 22:34, 16 August 2008 (BST)

No. No. Oh God No. No. Techercizer^(Food)_(TSoE) 21:50, 16 August 2008 (BST)

Sorry, mate, but as Tech. No vehicles. Industrial docks would still fit in though... --Blake Firedancer ^{T E RNL? P.I.S.I.T.} 04:19, 17 August 2008 (BST)

To make free running less useful, how about cliffs or ridges that you have to go around instead of through?Shooty08 11:56, 17 August 2008 (BST)

Just a suggestion it just seems like a waste of space to have a whole bunch of inacessable blocks.--Ninja13 23:23, 17 August 2008 (BST)

Reset Character V2

Timestamp:	Kamikazie-Bunny 02:20, 7 August 2008 (BST)
Type:	Prestige
Scope:	All Players
Description:	On the bottom of the skills page there would be a new button with a drop down box labelled: "Reset as Civilian/Military/Scientist/Zombie" Conformation will be required in the same style as Brain Rot Clicking this box: Removes all skills, Empties the players inventory, Changes the class of the player to what was specified, Sets XP to 75. It does not: Reset player Level, Remove 'paid' status. Benefits: Allows players to play from start their characters without having to use new names... Allows players to change class if they decide they do not like their current one early in the game. Flaws: Slightly harder to begin again as the character has no skills/items (75XP will allow the player to buy a skill in their selected class or at least make it easier to purchase their 1st skill). Now I know lots of people will probably think along the lines of 'just create another character' or 'people with lots of XP can get to a really high level quickly' In response... 1) You do not have to reset your character if you do not want to. 2) Every character must have a unique name, if you reuse an old name rather than discarding it, the character is not wasted and other players are more likely to get the name they want as opposed to the 473rd variant... 3) The level is not reset to allow for other players to see how experianced another player is, although this is a double-edged sword as power-leveling trenchies will always want bigger numbers than everyone else.

Discussion (Reset CharacterV2.0)

You gain levels because you buy new skills. If you're removing all your skills, then naturally your level will reset, too. There shouldn't be any other way around it.

Some workarounds:

Upon choosing a class, start with that class' starting skill. At zero XP. Just like how a new character is.
Character reset can only be done once.
Characters should have a note on their profile that they have reset their characters. It's up to you whether to make it visible to other people, but it should still be there to remind the player that they have already reset their character and cannot do so again.
Character reset cannot be used by those who have learned Brain Rot. It should still be kept irreversible, not something players can have an option to back out of it.

Personally, I think this suggestion isn't needed at all and would probably not vote for it as is, but it is slightly interesting. Other MMOs have reset functions in their characters, but very few actually do it right. --Aeon17x 13:38, 15 August 2008 (BST)

This is not your average "level grinding MMO". Suggestions that allow you to raise your level indefinitely will never pass. We should put Level Increase in Frequently Suggested Ideas. As a matter of fact, if this suggestion cycles out with no one objecting, I'll do it. Techercizer^(Food)_(TSoE) 18:22, 15 August 2008 (BST)

It belongs on the list and maybe next month it will be on the Lynch Mob.--– Nubis ^NWO 04:24, 16 August 2008 (BST)

Same shit, different pile. Give it up already. --WanYao 18:36, 15 August 2008 (BST)

So, basically, the point of this suggestion is to start over at level 1 using the same character name. I see NO other point. Dressing it up in "benefits" is irrelevant.--Pesatyel 08:02, 17 August 2008 (BST)

Kevan says no to resets. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 13:23, 17 August 2008 (BST)

Buy Level

Timestamp:	Jack ^{S13 T! PC} 16:56, 13 August 2008 (BST)
Type:	Skill
Scope:	All players, zombie/human, XP
Description:	a lot of talk has been around of what to do with massive ammounts of unused XP help by old, high level characters. some like prestige characters that has been mentioned recently. Taken from cross class skills that cost 150xp each. This idea would allow player to buy a level. Although meaningless, and providing no extra bonuses or skills it would adress three things the UD community has talked about. lvl 41 & 42 guys, that wish they could do something with hoards of useless XP. Strict survivors that wish they could go higher than lvl 20 without buying zed skills. strict zombies that wish they could get higher levels without buying harman skills. how it would work After reaching level 10 (much the same as headshot) an option would apear in both skill sets called "Level" with the description "increase your level" at a cost of 150xp. Example: a level 41 player has 4000 XP. through "buying levels" they could choose to expend their XP buying (26 levles for 150 XP) and have thier profile read "level 67". They would not have any extra bonuses, notation, classes, or extra skills.

Discussion (Buy Level)

I know that this sort of suggestion has been all the rage lately, which is exactly why i've brought this to suggestion talk. If anyone can think of a better wording, or has some usefull feedback it would be apreciated.

Dupe. --Midianian^{|T|T:S|C:RCS|} 17:03, 13 August 2008 (BST)

Retarded idea. Just like every other one of these idiotic "l337 klub" suggestions.. THIS IS NOT A WORLD OF WARCRAFT! This game is not about power levelling , it is not about s00per giga-r@d elyte OVER 9000!! characters... If that's what you want, go play another game. --WanYao 18:07, 13 August 2008 (BST)

And before you whinge and tell me how non-constructive I am being.. Stop.. Wait.. Think. I have just explained to you precisely why your idea is lousy: it's totally out of UD's game-genre. Which makes it, as we say around here, "Spamtastic". --WanYao 18:13, 13 August 2008 (BST)

While I can't compete with (or understand) all of the "733t" symbols in Wan's post he is completely correct. This game is not about leveling. It is one of the few games where leveling makes things easier rather than harder and therefore opposite of most games. When characters max out they all become the exact same. So what's the point of adding more levels? That doesn't add variety to the characters nor does it improve the character. You make your character unique by how you play it not by how high your level is. If you had actually played UD enough you would realize that the characters that stand out are the ones that have an interesting approach or gimmick. Not the characters that are level 50++. --– Nubis ^NWO 19:32, 13 August 2008 (BST)

my "leet-speak" is actually derived more from a parody of old school, 2600 era hacker lingo (shit, did i ever just date myself, heh), with random bits of new school leet-speak thrown in... making for a completely unintelligible mess... which is exactly how i like it! :P As for the suggestion... um... it's all been said. Next, please. --WanYao 23:36, 13 August 2008 (BST)

Somebody tell me how this is bad idea. And no "geek speak".--Pesatyel 05:13, 14 August 2008 (BST)

Everything about this idea represents what Urban Dead is not or shouldn't be. point blank: It is a bad idea. Techercizer^(Food)_(TSoE) 05:19, 14 August 2008 (BST)

More trenchies and other XP hungry folks who play the game just for the XP, all in order to give their group a higher rating. It's no longer which group has the most number of skilled players, it will be about which group farms XP most effectively. --Aeon17x 05:24, 14 August 2008 (BST)

How? You mean to tell me people can't play the way the want? Telling me that, when I max out, I have to play a certain way is JUST AS BAD as any "trenchies going for levels" crap. Just HOW does a handful of players wanting to try to get to level 100 (or whatever) gonna matter to those players that don't? How is it different from 1 to 42? Until a character maxes out, isn't that the primary motiviation of most players....to max out? If players want to "waste" their XP on pointless levels...so what? HOw does it break the game or adversely affect other players (any more than getting to max already does)? --Pesatyel 04:28, 15 August 2008 (BST)

We already told you. It's not our job to fix and refine your suggestion for you, nor is it our job to repeat our criticism until you understand it. We point out flaws in people's ideas, that's what we do. If you disagree with our assessment, then ignore us and take it to voting; otherwise, we've already told you what's wrong with this idea: It's everything from its basic spirit to its in-game fallout. Believe us or don't. Techercizer^(Food)_(TSoE) 04:32, 15 August 2008 (BST)

You can play the game however the way you want. Go ahead, trench it up, even make a group for it. But that doesn't mean we won't stop you from pushing this dumb idea forward. --Aeon17x 11:21, 15 August 2008 (BST)

No. 42 is the Answer. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 05:28, 14 August 2008 (BST)

Ah 42, how i love thee.--x o x o 07:23, 14 August 2008 (BST)

what do you get when you multiply six times nine? seriously though, more levels would be fine if you actually got something for them. leveling up for the sake of leveling up is pointless. Ask anyone who's played any RPG, the levels only help if they improve your skills or stats. Otherwise they're just a waste of time and energy. Oh, and XP. Shooty08 15:18, 14 August 2008 (BST)

See Midinian's dupe link. And then take a look at this. Same suggestion, just revised. And both by me. My point here? There are already some suggestions which deal with the overabundance of XP. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{^{^{^{^{#nerftemplatedsigs}}}}} 15:12, 16 August 2008 (BST)

First of all its not MY suggestion. I'm just playing devil's advocate. All I see, above is "this is retarded" but not WHY its retarded. Are the people who hate the suggestion so worried about "trenchies" that this would adversely affect their OWN playing experience? I see "this game is not about "leveling"" ok, then why do we level? Why not just have everyone start at "maxed" status? Up until a player maxes out, leveling is THE dominant force/reasoning for playing the game. After all, you can only do so much to "play the game the way you want" (ie. make your character "unique by how you play it") if you don't have the skills to do that. Hence leveling. Again, this is not MY suggestion and I'm not ignoring anyone. I'm just NOT understanding. All I see is "this is retarded". And when I ask WHY, I get, "we already told you". I'll go with the answer I did get. A maxed character is defined by the way the player plays as opposed to leveling. That does NOT say why "leveling is bad" just that since there ISN'T any additonal leveling, you have to make do with what you have. If, for sake of argument, this suggestion DID go in, that players could buy levels up to 100.....how does the change/hurt/alter/impede YOUR ability to define your character by the way you play? Buying those "above maxed" level is not a requirement. Nothing is. So tell me how it "ruins the game" or whatever ill-defined reasoning (beyond "its retarded" or "its a dumb idea") for it being a bad idea. Anyone watch The Root of All Evil? What is the "ripple of evil" here?--Pesatyel 20:02, 16 August 2008 (BST)

We already told you. It's not our job to fix and refine your suggestion for you, nor is it our job to repeat our criticism until you understand it. We point out flaws in people's ideas, that's what we do. If you disagree with our assessment, then ignore us and take it to voting; otherwise, we've already told you what's wrong with this idea: It's everything from its basic spirit to its in-game fallout. Believe us or don't.

I already said it but apparently you didn't hear me. This is a bad idea, everything about is is terrible, listen to us or don't, but stop whining about our opinions. Techercizer^(Food)_(TSoE) 20:07, 16 August 2008 (BST)

We level up in order to have the abilities that allow us to play with a distinct style. Leveling up for the sake of leveling up, that's what I don't like. Hell, if it weren't for the blatantly obvious zerging problem, I'd be pretty happy if everyone started at level 41, with Brain Rot being buyable whenever you want.

Like I said in the discussion for the other suggestion, creating an infitite XP sink for no purpose or benefit is bad. Running out of things to buy presents the question; "Hey, do you want to play for something other than XP?". I don't mind people who play the game just for the XP, but everyone deserves to get the choice. The trenchies can continue playing for the XP, and the others can find other reasons to play. It's their choice, and it should remain their choice.

All this does is increase the level-count. The only place where you can see it is the profile page. The profile page also contains the XP counter. For the trenchie-type player this would merely move the location of where you get to see the size of your e-penis. However, this also makes the "leveling up for the sake of leveling up" type of gameplay more official (being an actual part of the game), which would encourage more people to play that way. That's something I do not find a good thing. --Midianian^{|T|T:S|C:RCS|} 21:09, 16 August 2008 (BST)

And, actually, it WOULD have an impact on the group stats page, as far as I can understand it... You could inflate your group's standings by headshooting zombies at revive points every day and be were liek nambah WON!!!1 in teh statz, N00bz!!! Fuck that. --WanYao 00:39, 17 August 2008 (BST)

Why it is retarded:

"a level 41 player has 4000 XP. through "buying levels" they could choose to expend their XP buying (26 levles for 150 XP) and have thier profile read "level 67". They would not have any extra bonuses, notation, classes, or extra skills" -- It is therefore completely fucking pointless. It has no in-game effect. Its only purpose is for power gamerz to compare e-peens. That is NOT what this game is about. If you have any level of intelligence and/or critical thinking skills you'll "get" this, you'll see from the way the game is designed that it is not meant to be a WoW clone with zombies...

Capiche? Good... Non capiche? Matters not, just fuck off with this suggestion anyway. --WanYao 22:34, 16 August 2008 (BST)

Thanks for the exasperated answer (and, no, I don't mean that negatively or as "an attack"). It doesn't answer my question though (though the comment above, about the stats page does). And, there are a number of things that have "no in-game effect" (or a minimal one at best), yet they are included. For me, it boils down to some people telling other people how to play. YOU don't like the whole "trenchie e-penis comparison" thing or whatever. I can understand that. But how does that affect YOUR game? If, for sake of argument (not sure I should bother since it was ignored above), this WERE to get implemented.....then what?--Pesatyel 08:11, 17 August 2008 (BST)

Trenchie-ism is the total opposite of survivor teamwork. If there is a reward for having massive amounts of XP beyond the current maximum levels, then overall player behavior would slowly shift from cooperative to individual... and actually, that is already sort of happening now. No reason to make it any more worse, right? --Aeon17x 10:12, 17 August 2008 (BST)

Anyway, as for Pesatyel's rhetorical question on implementation, I compiled something in response to this suggestion: the Malton XP Leaderboard. It's not quite the same as buying levels, but it does give some recognition for those players who took the time to obtain massive amounts of XP. --Aeon17x 10:12, 17 August 2008 (BST)

Every last one of them is a zombie!! Which should tell you something... That survivors have better things to do than kill zombies in the street... XP is a meaningless marker in UD, all said and done, and having in-game ways of waving your e-peen was NOT part of the design philosophy... This much should be OBVIOUS. And yes this is telling people how to play the game -- in the same way that saying "No new military guns!" or "No oozing zombies!" or "Don't touch my APs!" is "telling people how to play the game". There are parameters, there are limits... --WanYao 20:40, 17 August 2008 (BST)

Advanced Genetic Mutation

Timestamp:	Blake Firedancer ^{T E RNL? P.I.S.I.T.} 21:52, 12 August 2008 (BST)
Type:	Skill.
Scope:	Brain-rotters.
Description:	Sub-skill of Brain Rot. You've been a zombie for so long that your genetic structure has been radically mutated, almost unrecognisable from its original state. Your original genetic code is still present, however in order to reach it advanced lab equipment is required. From now on, you can only be DNA scanned when inside a powered NecroTech building.

Discussion (AGM)

I'm not a zombie but this seems useless as far as I can tell --Diablor 21:58, 12 August 2008 (BST)

I am a zombie and this is retarded. I normally try to keep a NPOV when evaluating suggestions, but from now on Blake I'm taking the gloves off for each and every one you post due to the enormous amount of bad ideas you flood this page with. This is a horrible idea, it may even be worse than your super retarded *no touching scanner* Techercizer^(Food)_(TSoE) 22:02, 12 August 2008 (BST)

You still need to explain why you think it's bad though. --Blake Firedancer ^{T E RNL? P.I.S.I.T.} 22:05, 12 August 2008 (BST)

I'm happy to help Techercizer slap you upside the head in this in this case. If you can't figure out the reasons on your own, I'll generously assume you haven't used a DNA scanner enough to be making any suggestions that affect DNA scanning. Go try earning a few levels as a brand new NT tech, then try running a revive point, and then re-write the idea if you still like it.

Swiers 22:16, 12 August 2008 (BST)

Anyways, what's horrible about this idea is it makes DNA scanning useless for rotters. it's already tough enough as it is! If there's rotter inside a powered NT, he's gonna get revived in a sec, Newbies getting EXP or Pros looking to track hordes; either way, this idea nerfs Extractors horribly. Just let it go Blake, it's a terrible idea, and just like most of your ideas, it could have been seen as such with just a little research, a bit of experience, and about 2 minutes of thought. Techercizer^(Food)_(TSoE) 22:30, 12 August 2008 (BST)DAMN EDIT CONFLICTS, STOP HURTING ME YAO!

Some ideas are so idiotic that they just don't deserve to be addressed seriously. But... thanks, Swiers, well said there! --WanYao 22:28, 12 August 2008 (BST)

Brain rot doesn't really need a buff. The only reason why it doesn't seem as useful is because the number of players who buy the skill are too few to make a significant disruption in most revive queues. --Aeon17x 03:14, 13 August 2008 (BST)

ZOMG IT'S NEMESIS!!! --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{^{^{^{^{#nerftemplatedsigs}}}}} 14:09, 13 August 2008 (BST)

Lol Axe --Diablor 14:48, 13 August 2008 (BST)

You have a real brain rot, don't you? Apart from a clear rape and violation of even the most basic of sciences, it is also a big useless nerf to newbie NT lab assistants. Have you any idea how difficult a life they already lead? ~Ariedartin • Talk • A KS J abt all 16:15, 13 August 2008 (BST)

While I'm all for making survivors suffer this suggestion will only hurt unlucky non-metagaming players that can't catch a revive quickly enough or survivors that are dumb enough to start as lab techs. --– Nubis ^NWO 19:37, 13 August 2008 (BST)

OK, fair enough. I suppose that AGM could not just 'fail' the scan, but result in an inconclusive one. They still get the XP from the scan, but unless they're in a powered NT building then you don't get any information from it. --Blake Firedancer ^{T E RNL? P.I.S.I.T.} 02:10, 14 August 2008 (BST)

That already pretty much happens with Brain Rot. This idea sucks Blake, it was doomed from the start due to poor research and little thought. let it go. Techercizer^(Food)_(TSoE) 02:17, 14 August 2008 (BST)

Don't get any information from it? That sounds just like hiding since there would be no way to identify a rotter in a revive queue, therefore it'll only get spammed.

By the way, you haven't explained why you think it's a good idea. --Aeon17x 03:39, 14 August 2008 (BST)

That's Blake, he just throws out one crappy ill researched and un-thought-out idea after another, usually with little or no explanation of exactly what he's fixing, if anything. Techercizer^(Food)_(TSoE) 03:52, 14 August 2008 (BST)

Well, I thought that there could be more of a difference between 'career zombies' (Rotters) and the regular kind. After all, Brain Rot all-but sacrifices your survivor abilities, so you'd better get some good use out of the skill tree.

Oh, and you'd get a custom message for scanning a AGM'd zombie. Something along the lines of "You extract a DNA sample, but it is far too mutated for the scanner to identify the zombie's former identity."--Blake Firedancer ^{T E RNL? P.I.S.I.T.} 07:04, 14 August 2008 (BST)

At present, DNA extraction has approximately a 75% failure chance vs Brain Rot. This skill fails to deliver. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 07:13, 14 August 2008 (BST)

Uh, Blake, this is the nicest it'll get: the mere fact that with this skill it's impossible for a brain rotter to reveal their identity makes your suggestion dead in the water; therefore, don't push it. Every other reply will be downhill from here. --Aeon17x 07:51, 14 August 2008 (BST)

Like this one... Try playing a rotter. Or, at least UNDERSTAND what the point of having Rot is. It seems you don't... --WanYao 08:06, 14 August 2008 (BST)

The point of rot is so u can be lvl42 and pew pew pew your noob 41 friendz coz lvl is all that matters in urban dead duh.--x o x o 08:12, 14 August 2008 (BST)

Brain Rot doesn't do anything to your survivor abilities. Play a rotter before making suggestions about brain rot, dammit. You know what? As a general rule, don't make suggestions about things you're not experienced in. This applies to everyone. --Midianian^{|T|T:S|C:RCS|} 10:22, 14 August 2008 (BST)

Here's a thought on how this process could be easier: Hows about you kill your ideas before you even post them here!? That's called "Thinking", a lot of us do it! What's more, how about you bugger the hell away from subjects you obviously don't know jack shit about? Techercizer^(Food)_(TSoE) 16:05, 14 August 2008 (BST)

Awww i came here thinking this would be about annual general meetings...now that is a good idea. Just imagine everyone cuming together in The Arkham Sisters once a year...--x o x o 07:55, 14 August 2008 (BST)

Forced meme is forced. I have to admire your persistence, however. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 13:25, 14 August 2008 (BST)

He's a dedicated 2 Cool member, to be sure!--Nallan (Talk) 11:34, 16 August 2008 (BST)

Forgeting skills

Timestamp:	--[[User:Runemasteryx\| The Strelstys deputy]] 20:44, 12 August 2008 (BST)
Type:	Game Mechanic
Scope:	Everybody
Description:	Allow you to play the game again I'm getting kinda bored just playing an powerful guy, and feel like a change. I don't want to make a new person, to hard to keep track of them all. So my sggestion is that you can reset skills. You can choose skills and forget them, and then work your way back to earning them. It is simple and you can choose what skills to forget, but mabye a limit on skill lose, 5 a day?

Discussion (Forgeting skills)

I moved your suggestion to it's proper position and fixed the template. --Diablor 22:30, 12 August 2008 (BST)

Your improper construction of a suggestion almost reveals as much about your ignorance of suggestions protocol as your actual idea. This is a bad idea for tons of reasons, if you don't want to have your ideas shot down in flames, read the associated material (Suggestions Dos and Do Nots and Frequently Suggested) and watch others make suggestions. I'm getting kind of tired of telling n00bs to do this, especially considering it's right on the suggestion's page. Techercizer^(Food)_(TSoE) 22:37, 12 August 2008 (BST) if one more asshole edit conflics me i'm gonna break something

This comes up quite often. Hence it's a dupe. Where's Iscariot to? He's good at finding those. Yes. --Sir Bob Fortune ^RR 22:34, 12 August 2008 (BST)

Just scroll down to Reset Character, below. Sheesh. --WanYao 15:19, 13 August 2008 (BST)

Leave my skills alone. ~Ariedartin • Talk • A KS J abt all 15:57, 13 August 2008 (BST)

Oh... and if you're "getting kinda bored just playing an powerful guy, and feel like a change" then I suggest putting those skills to good use. Get your arse out of the malls and the fort armouries, ditch the trenchcoats and the katanas in favour of FAKs, needles and a toolbox... And get your ass to the NW corner... Trust me, it's anything BUT boring up there. There are so many different styles to play this game in, and to have fun with it. It's not the game's fault if you're bored, not in this way, anyhow. But if you really ARE bored, then maybe consider taking a break, or quitting? No, really, and I mean that without disrespect... --WanYao 18:18, 13 August 2008 (BST)

Send him to the Hills. Use your maxed out guys to repair the buildings sitting at 40+ AP to repair. (We have a few that are up to 77 AP) Repair a building, get killed, in 2 days when you get your AP is out of the negatives come back for more. The game is less boring when you can only play every 2 or 3 days. Problem solved. --– Nubis ^NWO 19:42, 13 August 2008 (BST)

Fuck i hate ppl bitching about spare xp, have you tried hitting about 15 and leveling off revives and repairing? It is nigh on impossible. Not that that matters at all because XP IS POINTLESS AND SO ARE LEVELS. If you only get joy out of buying skills go to WoW or some other crap.--x o x o 08:16, 14 August 2008 (BST)

I get annoyed with people telling other people how to play.--Pesatyel 04:30, 15 August 2008

(BST)

There are limits. Respecting those limits, as I explained above, is telling people how to play, yup. And I'm going to scream and yell and tell people how to play UD when they suggest shit like uzis or oozing zombies or bicycles or wtf lazer centaurs-- when people propose stuff that is OBVIOUSLY contrary to the design philosophy of the game. Because there IS a design philosophy, and it ZOMG tells people, within certain parameters, how to play the game.. What part of that don't you understand, pesatyel? --WanYao 20:46, 17 August 2008 (BST)

For the record, I PK so I stay out of mall, those thing are death traps, and Having too many alts is annoying --[[User:Runemasteryx| The Strelstys deputy]] 00:13, 18 August 2008 (BST)

What is needed is not some sort of amnesia device but a way to retire characters that is both meaningful and in genre... Basically that boils down to escape or a glorious perma death. Neither should be mandatory but making such achievable as goals (or the final price of failure) should be goals achievable for anyone who wishes to try... Either way attempting an action that leads to one or the other should result in the character being recorded in a hall of fame and then being wiped ready for a restart! --Honestmistake 00:50, 18 August 2008 (BST)

We don't need some kind of character farming "hall of fame death". If you want your character gone, stop playing it until it Idles out, then post that he "Finally escaped Malton" on your userpage. Happy? Techercizer^(Food)_(TSoE) 01:01, 18 August 2008 (BST)

You're basically talking about a Quest, Honest'. Make UD a quest game? Hmnnnnnnn.... Meh. IMNSHO, you wanna go out with a bang? Make a name for yourself in-game. Then retire. Remember the RPG part of MMORPG? Yeah... that... --WanYao 02:59, 18 August 2008 (BST)

Bicycles

Timestamp:	Ninja13 20:34, 11 August 2008
Type:	possible skill
Scope:	Survivors
Description:	Add two new skills and items that would help in the repairing and upkeep of a bicycle. I know, vehicles are on the commonly suggested page but bicycles would be different. Across the city there would, realisticly, be old bikes that have been there since the infection started or earlier that would have been locked up and not worth anyone's time in the panic. These bicycles would be available to survivors with a new skill Engineering and a toolbox would be given a list of what the bike needed to be brought up to a level of rideability. These items would include (but are not limited to): Seats: Mall Sports Stores 3% Junkyard 3% Chains: Mall Hardware Stores 4% Factory 2% Junkyard 1% Handlebars: Mall Sports Stores 2% Factory 2% Junkyard 1% Tires: Mall Hardware Stores 3% Factory 2% Junkyard 1% Also, wire cutters would need to be brought back to get the bikes out of their locks. Once survivors got the bike repaired they would need a second skill Bicycle Experience to avoid the debris and dead bodies and even then they would run a 1% chance of popping a tire in each block they moved. The trade off would be half-cost for traveling, making it possible (albeit difficult) to traverse the city in one day. Related items would be (but are not limited to): Wire Cutters: Warehouse 2% Mall Hardware Store 2% Factory 2% Bike Locks: Mall Sports Stores 4% Patch Kits: Mall Sports Stores 4% Auto Repair Shop 3% Patch kits would be needed since a rider, moving up to 100 blocks at a 1% fail chance would statistically blow a tire on that trip so a one or two use patch kit would be needed. It would work in the same way a spray can does, running out and being removed at the end of its usefulness. Bike locks would be needed if a rider, who just spent so much AP and resources on their new bike would like to stop over at a safehouse just to rest or to stay a while would need to lock it up. Locks would each be given their own code and told to the owner when they are found. Of course the wire cutters that would be used on unrepaired bikes can be used on repaired bikes as well and they can be stolen. Edited: Zombies of course would see fixed bikes locked up outside of buildings and know that survivors were there. Bikes would be like gennys except useful and not just a flag to zombies. Also, zombies could attack bikes and bring them back to their original state of ruin. Also, if a zombie attacked a survivor on a bicycle in their square it would do double damage. Furthermore, survivors attempting to cut locks would have 7% success chance.

Discussion (Bicycles)

People won't like this just because it brings wire cutters back, I suggest at least taking that out --Diablor 02:44, 12 August 2008 (BST)

Dupe of a ton of stuff, Bike suggestions are very common. I'll go find dupes if no one does it for me in the next few hours, as I'm busy atm. Techercizer^(Food)_(TSoE) 02:45, 12 August 2008 (BST)EDIT CONFLICTS!

Nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuubis! --x o x o 03:03, 12 August 2008 (BST)

It's added to my page (Thanks Tech!) I'm a bit tired and can't properly bitch out the suggester right now, but rest assured I will launch an angry rant later. --– Nubis ^NWO 13:45, 12 August 2008 (BST)

IUNNO. _■^■ 03:32, 12 August 2008 (BST)

A million new skills and stuff for something that's totally dupey already!?? Grrrrrh... --WanYao 05:30, 12 August 2008 (BST)

uh, the only similarity i see in that one is that they share a title. this is different in the sense that it would add the dimension of gameplay involving stealing bikes in the vein of pking or gking. most other vehicle suggestions make no mention of where the bike goes when not in use or where it comes from. it also makes bikes only useful for a different means of long-distance transportation other than free running with its own risks.--Ninja13 03:27 12 August 2008

It took me about 20 seconds to find this after reading your suggestion. At least look around before you post something! Way too complicated as well. --Jared^{Talk W! P!} 16:56, 12 August 2008 (BST)

Bikes in various forms are suggested lots. As are car and APCs and even tanks. And even the occasional horse (wtf??). All of these are generally bad ideas that usually attempt in some way to get around barricade and Free Running issues. And usually are big buffs to survivors with no benefits or added fun for zombies. In the case of your suggestion, it's just plain overcomplicated and doesn't really add much of value to the UD experience. And adding several new skills is a bad idea, usually... because old players can buy them veryu easily, whereas it's just more crap to spend XPs on for newbies. And, on top of it all, this is rather out of genre... Sorry, mate, but this idea just isn't going to fly. --WanYao 17:34, 12 August 2008 (BST)

No vehicles. Ever. Here's why - zombies cannot be removed from a particular square (Forts being the two exceptions). Once a zombie is outside your safehouse, he isn't going away until he chooses to. I laugh whenever I read trenchie groups vowing to 'clear the zombies' from a suburb. You can't. The survivor counter to this is mobility. Survivors have Free-Running to enable them to get to the places a zombie can't easily reach, and Construction to make these places even less accessible. Effectively doubling a survivor's mobility is an enormous boost to the survivor cause, and something which will make the game even more unbalanced for zombies. In addition, a vehicle would allow survivors more daily AP to search up ammo, FAKs and syringes, making the game even less balanced. Unless you can come up with a suggestion that's fair for both survivors and zombies, you'll never get it to pass. This concept is unworkable. Nice shot at it, but vehicles will never pass voting. --Sir Bob Fortune ^RR 17:49, 12 August 2008 (BST)

Well Wan and Bob i was unaware that the game was perfectly balanced in the first place. When radios were put in the game my level 41 guy bought it up right away. Now my level six guy has not bought it because he has other things he needs like free-running and gun skills. By that logic adding any new skills is a bad idea because the high XP people will just buy it up. And as for the searching bonus, why would you spend tons of AP to fix a bike to have likely less AP later to search at your destination. Bob F you make a good point. If zombies were able to deal extra damage to survivors on bikes and damage is taken from falling off of them (in the case of popped tires). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ninja13 (talk • contribs) at an unknown time.

I never claimed the game was balanced. It isn't. It's skewed toward survivors as it is, which is why I would oppose a suggestion which would bring benefits only to survivors. I wouldn't think that allowing zombies to inflict extra damage on cycling survivors would do much for balance in practice. It would be extremely rare that a zombie encountered a survivor actually using a bicycle, and in the majority of such cases the survivor would move away faster than the zombie could follow. --Sir Bob Fortune ^RR 22:12, 12 August 2008 (BST)

Smarten up Mr. Niiiiiiiiiiiinja man. "By that logic adding any new skills is a bad idea because the high XP people will just buy it up" -- yeah ... that's EXACTLY the logic ... unless it's a very good skill idea, you have to balance what it does to newbies vs. those who snap it up as soon as it's implimented. In any event, others have explain the other reasons why this is a dumb suggestion. Now... go put that katana back in your trenchcoat Mr. Niiiiiiiiiinja and talk to me some other time. --WanYao 22:34, 12 August 2008 (BST)

Seriously, this idea is crap, and if you can't understand why then you're either not thinking or can't see the obvious damage ideas as unbalanced as this would do. Techercizer^(Food)_(TSoE) 23:10, 12 August 2008 (BST)

You are right Bob. This does need to be more balanced for the zombies. I'll work on that. As for you Wan, consider this. I have two characters that I play, One is a maxed out Private and the other is a low lever firefighter. My high-level character snapped up radio operation when it came out a while back. It so far has had no serious use for me. Meanwhile my low-level character has yet to purchase it because YOU CAN CHOOSE WHAT SKILLS YOU BUY. If Kevan added "Crazy Firearms Training - +1jillion% to hit with all firearms" tomorrow everyone would buy it right away, regardless of level because it is extremely useful. So it doesn't really matter how it affects the high-level vs. the low-level because everyone has the capacity to buy levels. Ninja13 03:06, 14 August 2008

lengthy, detailed refutation of this retarded suggestion

Give it up already.

This idea out of genre. It's massively overcomplicated. It doesn't really add to the fun: it just makes things more complicated (i.e., a whack of new items, a whack of complicated mechanics, TWO new skills). Engineering is not a skill that you use to fix bikes, it's how you build bridges and design chemical processing procedures and inspect pipeline safety, that kind of stuff, you git. You haven't even explained what the movement benefits of bicycles are. Also just adds one more way to grief and an excuse for trenchies to PK people for being ZOMG BIKE THIEF!!

If all the above comments (my own and others') are not enough, let me spell it out for you according the suggestions guidelines.

From the Frequently Suggested page: "Vehicle suggestions crop up regularly, often allowing double speed movement in exchange for a set up cost to get started. They reliably get shot down for being out of genre, not useful enough, or not accounting for the amount of debris that would likely be blocking roads and railway tracks."

From the Dos and Do Nots page:

Don't Create Multi-Step Skills

Performing actions in the game as you would in the real world is just too complex. Suggestions that involve separate actions for each step are too tedious and are probably too complicated to be implemented. If your suggestion requires several actions to be completed in sequence, don't propose it. This same argument applies to temporary stat boosts. If your suggestion boosts character stats for a limited number of turns, it will almost certainly be voted down.

Don't Find New Ways to do Old Things

Having more than one way to accomplish the same thing adds nothing to the game. Complex methods that involve searching for numerous ingredients or components to combine into health potions or ammunition are intricate, not interesting. Players want new features, not complicated versions of existing features. (Empahsis added)

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Do you get the fucking point, yet? --WanYao 08:12, 15 August 2008 (BST)

First: "The trade off would be half-cost for traveling, making it possible (albeit difficult) to traverse the city in one day." line twelve about halfway down the page.

Second: Ok. Whatever. Even though this does account for the debris...

From the Dos and Do Nots page: (that you posted)

"If your suggestion requires" in no way requires the player to use it and...

Don't Find New Ways to do Old Things

seeing as how there are no vehicles in the game anyway does not find a new way to do an old thing.

But i can see that even if this was perfectley balanced and fair for everyone (which I admit it is not) you would still shoot it down just cause it says against it on the Dos and Dont's page. --Ninja13 01:21, 16 August 2008

It's unamimous that this is a retarded idea. Out of genre, unbalanced and overcomplicated. It's not my fault you're too stupid and stubborn to let it go. Everyone has been trying to be nice to you... But you obviously don't deserve the respect. Now piss off, n00b. --WanYao 07:39, 16 August 2008 (BST)

Ninja, you are missing the point. IT WILL NEVER BE PERFECTLY BALANCED. That's why it is on the Do and Don't page. But please follow your own advice and refrain from posting anything on that page since you now realize it will always be shot down.--– Nubis ^NWO 22:08, 17 August 2008 (BST)

And to answer your comment: seeing as how there are no vehicles in the game anyway does not find a new way to do an old thing. The "old thing" is movement not vehicles. Not sure how you failed to grasp that concept.--– Nubis ^NWO 22:10, 17 August 2008 (BST)

"Lets wait until he agrees with us and then loudly restate our point like dicks" - Nubis and Wan Yao.

At least we have the balls to sign our posts.--– Nubis ^NWO 06:23, 18 August 2008 (BST)

The Malton Black Market, a new twist on an old idea

Timestamp:	User:Blackmarketmorphine09:57, 11 August 2008 (BST)
Type:	trade system
Scope:	primarily Consumer class.
Description:	i propose a "black market" system that would allow "consumers" to sell items gathered to an automated "black market center". "non-consumer" players would then use XP to purchase a limited number of items. combat and first aid are the primary sources of XP. at a low level players have a very low chance to hit with weapons and must guess at who might need healing. meaning that gaining XP is slow, costly in AP and often dangerous. i recognize that this is a normal part of "growing up" and suggest this as an alternate option for these non combat players to help supply others while gaining an assured benefit for there hard spent AP while at the same time creating a more believable game environment. at high levels a player can gain XP quite quickly, soon acquiring every skill they might want. leading to a build up of points with nothing on which to spend them. this has created a supply and demand opportunity that could add a fresh spin to a great game. i feel this would also serve to make the "consumer" more useful and interesting to play. as it stands, the consumer is an incomplete thought, a character that isn't very useful until it can buy combat or medical skills to effectively use all that neat stuff they are finding. How? as most players aren't online at the same time, one on one transactions would be next to impossible and fraught with zurging opportunities. however, "consumer" players could go to a "black market center" and sell there items for a small amount of XP. then other (non-consumer) players could go there and buy those items for an amount of XP. safely removing the corruptible human element. •for example: •SuperSearcher(consumer) - sells 1 pistol clip to the market for 2 XP. (costing him 1 AP to make the transaction) •WallyTheZedSlayer(military) - buys 1 pistol clip from the market for 10 XP. (costing him 5 AP to make the transaction) Supersearcher could use the clip to shoot zombies and might or might not gain XP, or sell it and be assured of a small profit. Wally could search for his ammo using his AP or buy it at the market and have a few more AP left to use it on zeds. •note: these costs are examples and may need revision purchases should cost slightly more XP than can be procured by using that item to discourage abuse. there is always a cost for convenience. it is usually high. the profit should be small and number of items purchased should be limited. it is possible this system could lean the balance of power a bit to the survivors, leading to high level players having more supplies and the AP to use them, and low level folk progressing with less danger of being killed. it also serves to balance against the zombie's lack of need to search for anything at all, leaving zeds to use all there AP to maul survivors and barricades, while survivors must search,fight,barricade etc. with the same number of actions. it is believable that people would set up a black market system, and i think this system could be a basis for proactive adaption, thanks for your consideration.

Discussion (The Malton Black Market)

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To be deleted on the 19th with no active conversation --Diablor 19:36, 14 August 2008 (BST)

Currency in Malton? It can't work because its just one of those things that would change the game from what its supposed to be. Seriously, I didn't choose Urban Dead over other games, just so I could repeat economics class. I played it because it was exactly the opposite, mindless, mathless(to a decent extent) drivel. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 10:17, 11 August 2008 (BST)

I hear you DDR, and it's a good point. i dont want to see UD get all full up with fancy book learnin' either. there is no need to develop a currency as such, just use what is already there that has been going to waste. btw there is no math involved in clicking a "buy that thing" button. more than anything i hoped to give the consumer a believable reason to exist. thanks for the comment. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by blackmarketmorphine (talk • contribs) at an unknown time.

i'm sorry but this is WAAAY too long and badly organised to read in full. get some o' dat b00k lernin' and come back a bit more organised and intelligible.

what i can with certainty from what i did read is that trade systems are a no-go. for lots of good reasons, including alt abuse. but it's also out of genre. and, this just benefits survivors. a lot. which is unfair. it's not THAT hard to level up, not really. FAK zombies in the street. or ask some people with diagnosis to tell you who needs healing. or go shooty, this is a great option if you're a military character. no, this spammy and abusable AND not needed. --WanYao 22:34, 11 August 2008 (BST)

Did you even read what you wrote up there? Why would any character spend XP (and AP) to buy an item to earn XP with? You would have to be buying an item that would guarantee you earn back at least 2x the XP you spent to get it. The only item it would make sense to buy would be a FAK since you never miss with those and always earn 5 XP (if you can use them). Bullets and ammo would be the worst things to buy because of how crappy the RNG is. The whole idea of selling items and in particular this system sucks.--– Nubis ^NWO 23:15, 11 August 2008 (BST)

firstly, yes the text formatting came out a total botch job.sorry, and thanks for the help i received.

1. if you'll note,i was against the book learnin'.
2.no, it is not needed, games aren't NEEDED. just desired, and sometimes revised. the purpose is to make the scene more believable, why have consumers with no commerce in a world where a black market would had been set up before the bodies were cold?
3. the objective is NOT to buy items and mooch XP with them. the cost is the price of convenience vs. advancement. or in the case of high level folk who have a cubed trillion XP stacked sadly in stat screen, to use the fruits of there labor.
4. i've read every trade suggestion in the archive, mine is not the most suck.;) thanks for the discussion in any case.--User:Blackmarketmorphine

Consumers refer to what the person did BEFORE. Same with all the classes. Not what they are now. My Scout does more healing and reviving than shooting or even scouting (though I like to RP that a bit). My Lab Assistant used to be a good little reviver and healer even after waking up in Malton, but not he shoots people when alive, eats them when dead. Point #2 is totally invalid. As for everything else... well... most of us do not think trading is a good addition to the game -- on top of being very unworkable in most situations... We don't to micromanage our bank accounts, we wanna eat brains and revive people. --WanYao 05:40, 12 August 2008 (BST)

Death penalty

Timestamp:	Warioman 13:52, 10 August 2008 (BST)
Type:	Death Modification
Scope:	Survivors/Zombies in Malton
Description:	I noticed that death in this game really is not a big deal. You can easily be revived for free and if you're a zombie...well you just lose 10 AP. So I thought that maybe when you die, you will lose experience and or skills you have learned as a real penalty. This could mean that you won't be able to learn all the skills as quickly. This could make the game longer for players because once you have acquired all the skills, there isn't too much more to do in the game. This could then also mean that even for the top players, that if they die, they may lose skills and would have to work again to get them back. I don't know exact amounts of exp or skills you would lose and the game staff can decide that, but i just think that death isn't significant enough in this game( it is in Monroeville!).

Discussion(Death Penalty)

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--Diablor 16:23, 16 August 2008 (BST)

Well, I wouldn't really mind, since I've got 9000+XP, but a lot of people would probably be turned off by this. --Apocalyptic doom 1:41, 13, August 2008 (EST)

I think it's too much of a loss. I know how it could be explained, but it would be a huge turn off to dying, people would almost be afriad of fighting. Then we'd see an era of trenchies and squatters. The fact that it's only 10 AP to stand up for a zombie is balanced, they cant use items, stuff like that. This shakes the scales a bit too much for me. --Rahrah^{Come join the #party!}21:12, 10 August 2008 (BST)

Actually if you have Ankle Grab it's only 1 AP. (6 if Headshot), regardless, taking away player's skills will never pass (see Suggestions Dos and Do Nots under don't screw with other player's EXP). There was something like this in place with the old Headshot but it was removed because it sucked. I'm all for making it a tiny but tougher for zombies to stand back up, but harman survivors die enough and wait for revives enough as it is, not to mention that any change you add runs the risk of unbalancing the game. Techercizer^(Food)_(TSoE) 21:34, 10 August 2008 (BST)

Dupe of something that was intentionally changed to make the game better. See Headshot#List_of_Zombie_Hunter_skills and On Strike. Of course, survivors were never penalized in this manner... Swiers 21:40, 10 August 2008 (BST)

This just makes the game totally unfun. Taking away people's hard earned XPs and skills = no fun at all. And the mere thought causes anxiety attacks amongst those who were around for the old headshot. BAD IDEA. --WanYao 21:43, 10 August 2008 (BST) N:Here fucking here.--Insomniac By Choice 09:44, 11 August 2008 (BST) You want a death penalty, play Monroeville. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{^{^{^{^{#nerftemplatedsigs}}}}} 22:16, 10 August 2008 (BST)

This would make it next to impossible for new users, they would die and lose what little XP or skills they've earned.Shooty08 22:48, 10 August 2008 (BST)

It's about damn time survivors only suffered from this. The first skill you bought should be the first one you lose. Do it in that order. And make it so you lose the rest of that tree too! Let's make the game completely unplayable! But that would make being a PKer fun again! Shoot your enemies and make them (more) retarded !-- #99 ^{DCC ^{SNACK STRONG}} 07:21, 11 August 2008 (BST)

There is so much wrong with this i'm not even going to bother. Also, before making suggestions about how boring the game is once you've leveled how about you actually level? You have obviously never stood up with all skills or you'd know ankle grab negates the 10ap cost.--x o x o 08:32, 11 August 2008 (BST)

You know, putting aside the rampant mockery here, do you think it could work out if when a level, say 40 or higher character dies, they lose a random skill? As in, that avoids griefing any new players, and at the same time gives veterans something to do with all that XP they have hanging around... -- Ashnazg 0734, 11 August 2008 (GMT)

This suggestion makes me murderous. ~Ariedartin • Talk • A KS J abt all 09:14, 11 August 2008 (BST)

Zombie death is indeed meaningless. That's because players in this game are trying to tip the survivor/zombie percentage. Killing zombies does not make them alive again. That's why zombies kill, and survivors revive. -- Galaxy125 18:32, 11 August 2008 (BST)

i have to agree with the others, loss of XP by way of penalty would bother most folk. skills all the more. the cycle of death-undeath-revive-death is what keeps UD rolling unhindered. though, it would be nice to find a use for all that XP high level people have stacked up i don't think this is it.--Blackmarketmorphine 15:59, 12 August 2008 (BST)

No. If anything, there should be a random chance of gaining a skill. Namely, Brain Rot. Don't tell me you can survive 100+ headshots without your brain turning a little mushy. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 05:43, 14 August 2008 (BST)

No way. If death were any more serious than a minor inconvenience, you couldn't have awesome groups like the Philosophe Knights. And a ton of amazing and varied tactics are BASED upon the fact that death doesn't mean much at all. Like the first person says, we'd see an era of trenchies and squatters. And nothing else besides. I thought it was lame at first, too, that death didn't mean anything...then I realized some of the implications of having a "meaningless death" game mechanic, and fell in love with Malton politics. The game is plenty interesting, and interesting precisely BECAUSE death and life are so cheap. --Jen 07:05, 14 August 2008 (BST)

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Scent Death and "Group: none"

Suggestion up for voting. Discussion archived on Suggestion talk:20080804 Scent Death and Hordes. Swiers 19:58, 4 August 2008 (BST)

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+===Suggestion===
+{{A new way to revive
+|suggest_time=User:werewing,7:04 EST,8/18/2008
+|suggest_type=balance change and improvement
+|suggest_scope=All players,in areas where no survivors exist
+|suggest_description=I believe there should be an in-game way to revive without the assistance of other players,it shoul dbe som esort of machine that has a high durability,that changes its position and fully "heals" itself upon then enbd of the day/or the end of the week.This may seem erratic and probably has ben suggested before,but in some suburbs,there isnt a living player in sight.
+Details/summary:
+An automatic machine that can revive players at a changing spot in each subarb
+Cost to players:For fairness reasons,since standing up costs a whole 10 AP something like this must take near 30-40 AP
+Durability:Something like this shouldnt inhibit zombie players permanently,so it should be destructable(for the day/week) something like 150 durability shoul dmake it dustructable to a small hoarde of determined zombies.
+A small side note:I'm new at suggesting here,especially in this bizarre format,so do tell me if there seem to be errors in this suggestions template.
+|discussion=|}}
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