UDWiki:Administration/Promotions

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This page is for users to request System Operator status. The act of user promotion is restricted to those with bureaucrat status, and as such users will need to request user promotion here. System Operators and Bureaucrats cannot assign promotions unless the request has gone through this page.

Guidelines for System Operator Requests

Users who wish to request System Operator status (and users who wish to nominate other users for System Operator status) should note that before they can be considered the following guidelines should be met by the candidate:

• Significant time within the community.

We define this as at least 6 months since the candidate's first edit.

Note: looking in a User's User contributions might give false results for this criterion, as the edit history is periodically purged on this wiki.

• Significant activity within the community.

We define this as at least 250 edits in the past six months under the candidate's name.

Note: looking in a User's User contributions might give false results for this criterion, as the edit history is periodically purged on this wiki.

• Prior interest in maintaining the community.

We define this as clear evidence that the candidate is already performing maintenance tasks and taking leadership roles on the wiki.

• Desire to become a System Operator.

We define this simply as indicating in the candidate's request their desire for the position (Note that if a person is nominated by another user, the candidate in question should note their acceptance of the nomination).

If a user is highly exemplary in one criterion, a certain amount of leeway may be given with the other criteria.

Once the candidate satisfies these guidelines, the user is then subject to a community discussion. All users are asked to comment on the candidate in question, ask questions of the candidate, and discuss the candidate's suitability for becoming a System Operator. This is not a vote. It is instead merely a request for comments from the wiki community. This will continue for two weeks to allow all users an opportunity to voice their opinion regarding a candidate's qualifications for promotion. After two weeks, the Bureaucrats are responsible for announcing their decision within a reasonably short period of time. Users may continue to add their thoughts until the Bureaucrats announce their decision. The current amount of System Operators running should not influence your decisions when voicing your opinion.

Once the two weeks are up, the Bureaucrats will review the community discussion and make a decision based upon it. The user will be notified of the status of their request, and will be promoted should it appear that the community is willing to accept them as a System Operator.

Example Application

Example User

• Example User (talk | contribs | UDWiki contribs | vndl data)

I've been around 3 months, and I've made to date 550 edits. As you can see [link here] and [link here], I've been in the leadership role attempting to create a new format for this page. I'd very much like to become a System Operator.

• Vouch - I am willing to vouch for this user. -- Voucher 03:41, 23 Jan 2006 (GMT)
• Against - Example User, I haven't seen any evidence of your work on the wiki. --Some user 19:01, 25 July 2006 (BST)
• Vouch - Example User is the most active guy here. --Another user 19:01, 25 July 2006 (BST)
• Abstain - I'm just not sure, but I don't want to say why for some reason. --Some other user 19:01, 25 July 2006 (BST)
• Question - I just want to know what you think about this subject? --Yet another user 21:26, 4 April 2013 (BST)

Candidates Currently Under Community Discussion

hagnat

• Hagnat (talk | contribs | UDWiki contribs | vndl data)

Yeah, its me again. This time i am going to do this seriously, as the previous one was a mere joke.

Thing is, I care for the urban dead wiki, and i care **A LOT**. This should've come without saying, i suppose... What I don't care for is its rules, its wikilawering, as anyone who have seen me in action known for a fact. What I care for is its users and its history. What matters for me is that i have fun, and so does everyone else. That's why we are all here after all. You all know that i am a rogue sysop, but i use the power for the greater good of the community.

If promoted, i dont promise that i will be more active in the wiki. Heck, i will be as active as swiers was in its final months. -- ok, i will be a lot more active than that... i have to come in here to blank my talk page every time harris edits it -- But i will be here, as i always have been. I will be another user which everyone in here knows that can be trusted to banhammer bots, revert whatever vandal comes around and provide a neutral POV on things. I will also try to usurp power from kevan grant more power to all of us which currently are no more than regular users.

And if that was not enough for you guys to forget whatever guidelines there is in this page -- guidelines which i wrote, heh -- and promote me, i will leave here a picture of me sitting in the iron throne, which proves how awesome i am --hagnat 03:00, 14 June 2013 (BST)

the image has changed... will return to be the iron throne as soon as the revolution ends in here... --hagnat 05:10, 19 June 2013 (BST)

• THRONE – Normally this would be a Couch, but c’mon, LOOK AT THAT THING ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 09:28, 14 June 2013 (BST)
• VOUCH - That is a sweet throne. Also, psyops conspiracy = teh funz. --RadicalWhig 09:40, 14 June 2013 (BST)
• HUGDOR - HUGDOR HUGDOR HUGDORHUGDORHUGDOR! --HUGDOR^hugdor?! 17:27, 14 hugdor 2013 (BST)
• Against. While I understand and appreciate your drive to change the wiki culture, my objection from the last bid still stands. Since you wrote the guidelines, this may be them biting you in the rear, but your activity levels have not been anywhere near what's expected of a sop candidate. And your statement above that you won't make an effort to increase activity means I can't support this bid, serious or not. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 19:25, 14 June 2013 (BST)

  There's a reason they're guidelines and not requirements. They're there to judge interest in the community, something which may be accepted as judged in this case since he clearly already know what he's getting into. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 19:49, 14 June 2013 (BST)

  Actually, that one says "Significant activity within the community"; "Interest" is what is judged through the bullet below it. Although in this case I don't see either as having been nearly fulfilled, at least since 2011 or so. If Hagnat wants to lead a renaissance, he should gather the broad support of the community first, something that doesn't require sysop powers (nor do the mechanisms for change, like policy voting, require such powers). Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 22:16, 14 June 2013 (BST)

  I've been around since before these were a thing, the purpose is to make sure the user knows what duties are and will meet the expected activity level, they're barometers to measure unknowns and new applicants. As someone who successfully met that activity level many years Hagnat clearly knows what he's signing up for. Guidelines are meant to be breakable and hagnat represents a case where they'd clearly be obstructing their intended purpose. We have frequently waves them in the past and this is a case where it'd be foolish not to. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 01:05, 15 June 2013 (BST)

  To quote Hagnat above:
  

Hagnat said:

If promoted, i dont promise that i will be more active in the wiki.

• His current activity level over the past year has not been anywhere near that expected of sysops, and he has no intention to increase it. He may have been active enough years ago, but that isn't relevant to his current promotion. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 01:41, 15 June 2013 (BST)

  so you would rather vouch an active troll than an sporadic contributor which the community knows for a long long time already ? --hagnat 21:14, 14 June 2013 (BST)

  I wouldn't vouch either one. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 22:16, 14 June 2013 (BST)

• I've always (secretly?) loved his loosy goosey attitude with the rules. If we have our way, well, we won't have too many rules left. We'll have the hippopotamus instead. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 19:57, 14 June 2013 (BST)

  what about the hippo ? --hagnat 21:14, 14 June 2013 (BST)

  We'll just have to put up with the hippo. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 23:28, 14 June 2013 (BST)

• Against - Wiki renaissance first, then a promotion. With things still as they are, a promotion doesn't make sense. —Aichon— 20:04, 14 June 2013 (BST)

  With sysop powers, any changes a ranaissange requires will be a hell lot easier to be accomplished --hagnat 20:26, 14 June 2013 (BST)

  You'll need to justify that with some examples of where they'll help before I'll go along with it, since nothing comes to mind, but I'm open to the idea. —Aichon— 22:20, 14 June 2013 (BST)

  moving pages is the first thing that comes in mind, and editing protected templates. --hagnat 03:24, 17 June 2013 (BST)

• Vouch Wiki could use some more sysops. ~ _{00:26, 15 June 2013 (UTC)}

  Some good ones yes. --Jerk 14:25, 15 June 2013 (BST)

• Vouch Sounds like fun! I'll play! --Akbar 00:31, 15 June 2013 (BST)
• Against --Papa Moloch 07:45, 15 June 2013 (BST)
• Vouch -Hagnat clearly cares for the wiki. --Karloth Vois ^¯\(°_o)/¯ 11:51, 15 June 2013 (BST)
• Against - bad --Jerk 14:25, 15 June 2013 (BST)
• Vouch - I will nominate haggy every 2 weeks until he becomes sysop. Go ahead... make a policy--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 21:20, 16 June 2013 (BST)
• question - hagnat. is that you in the picture? sitting on the iron? please put on clear circular glasses? i think you would look like john lennon.-- 01:31, 17 June 2013 (BST)

  i used to own a circular glass... it made me look like a dork... so i am sorry but ill have to decline your request :(

  and besides, my friends nicknamed that picture "jeofrey after burger king", and we grew found of it :) --hagnat 03:17, 17 June 2013 (BST)

  against- I have not seen recent effort put in by hagnat-- 13:26, 29 June 2013 (BST)

• What do you want to do with the extra permissions? -- boxy 11:35, 17 June 2013 (BST)

  like i said above, mostly move stuff around, edit protected templates, banhammer bots, delete pages i created myself while i try to building something new --hagnat 03:30, 20 June 2013 (BST)

  Please don't think that psyop privileges are needed to "build something new". Consensus is what is necessary there. That said, you clearly care about this place, and I trust you... and who am I to lecture about upping contribution levels -- boxy 14:06, 29 June 2013 (BST)

  i am sure they are not but, on the other hand, i rather have the gun and not have to use it, than have to use it and not have it --hagnat 22:43, 29 June 2013 (BST)

  You're the second most active contributor on the wiki right now and one of only three that has over 1000 edits in the last three months (the other two being Bob and myself). —Aichon— 02:32, 30 June 2013 (BST)

• Against hagnat is a massive fuckwit don't do this to yourselves Cyberbob  Talk  13:37, 19 June 2013 (BST)

  love you too, bob :* --hagnat 03:30, 20 June 2013 (BST)

• Vouch - Because hagnat's a good guy and Cyberbob is a massive twat BURN THE WITCH or whatever battle cry the basement nerd losers are using now. --Zod Rhombus 03:09, 21 June 2013 (BST)
• Vouch Because he did a pretty decent job in the past (mostly) and surely the fact that he's still here proves that he has a long term interest --Honestmistake 17:41, 21 June 2013 (BST)
• Against because he isn't needed. →Son of Sin← 14:41, 22 June 2013 (BST)

  We may not deserve him, but he is the sysop we need right now.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 18:15, 30 June 2013 (BST)

  that makes me what now, harvey dent ? --hagnat 20:09, 1 July 2013 (BST)

Shouldn't this have been decided atleast 2 weeks ago?--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 23:29, 10 July 2013 (BST)

Recently Concluded Bids

Hagnat

• Hagnat (talk | contribs | UDWiki contribs | vndl data)

Because, REASONS--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 22:25, 15 May 2013 (BST)

• Why not for RAISINS? --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 22:34, 15 May 2013 (BST)

  raisings give me gas --hagnat 23:02, 15 May 2013 (BST)

  What about raises? --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 23:19, 15 May 2013 (BST)

  what, like ... i give you a raise, you give me a raise ? ;) --hagnat 01:44, 16 May 2013 (BST)

  I give me a raise, you give me a raise. That's what I mean. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 03:31, 16 May 2013 (BST)

  At least it doesn't give you gass. -- Spiderzed█ 23:20, 15 May 2013 (BST)

• Vouch - Dear sweet jesus yes.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 00:12, 16 May 2013 (BST)

  LOL, only now i noticed your tiny lil hidden message --hagnat 22:44, 29 May 2013 (BST)

• question why are you such a cunt about your user talk page? if you are promoted you know that will have to change.--User:Sexualharrison03:09, 16 May 2013

  first thing i am going to do once i get promoted is to protected my talk page, second is ban you, third is orchestrate the second coup --hagnat 03:17, 16 May 2013 (BST)

  against not the answer i was looking for. sysops can't have a closed talk page dildo. and your page is protected, just not from me. --User:Sexualharrison03:34, 16 May 2013

  So you have a problem with me locking my talk page, and none for banning you and taking over the wiki ? if that is the main issue i can leave my talk page open :) --hagnat 20:51, 16 May 2013 (BST)

  yup looking foward to the misconduct cases.--User:Sexualharrison02:33, 17 May 2013

• vouch exactly the answer i was looking for. --Karloth Vois ^¯\(°_o)/¯ 00:45, 18 May 2013 (BST)
• Against, sorry, but when your last 500 edits occurred over two years, a significant number of them blanking your talk page, I think you don't quite meet the activity/participation recommendation. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 05:17, 16 May 2013 (BST)
• Against - I like having the guy around, but as sysop again? Nope. —Aichon— 07:01, 16 May 2013 (BST)
• Vouch - Sure, why not. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 05:07, 18 May 2013 (BST)
• Hmm… convince me. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 09:19, 20 May 2013 (BST)

• would you like the gold to be in golden coins or rupees ? --hagnat 18:51, 20 May 2013 (BST)
  • In bar form, por favor. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 07:51, 21 May 2013 (BST)
    • foo bar, lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. --hagnat 15:38, 21 May 2013 (BST)

	Gold in the Basket
	Hagnat resolved the situation by putting the gold in the basket.

• Solid gold vouch! ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 00:25, 22 May 2013 (BST)
• Best rouge op evah -- boxy 12:52, 30 May 2013 (BST)

So, by tomorrow i know if i get to become a sysop once more ? :D --hagnat 21:33, 28 May 2013 (BST)

you're already the sysop of my heart --Karloth Vois ^¯\(°_o)/¯ 17:29, 29 May 2013 (BST)

<3 --hagnat 22:44, 29 May 2013 (BST)

Vouch, because awwww... :) PB&J 08:44, 30 May 2013 (BST)

I'm smelling misconduct here!--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 16:39, 1 June 2013 (BST)

yeah, the crats seems to be a lil lazy these days! i demand boxy to be given the crat stick back! --hagnat 17:04, 1 June 2013 (BST)

lol. I would have taken even longer, and you'd still not have been promoted -- boxy 03:00, 4 June 2013 (BST)

but... but... but... i gave you cookies... you said i was gonna get promoted if i gave you cookies --hagnat 03:17, 4 June 2013 (BST)

After discussion with Ross, we have come to the decision to decline this bid. You have much too few edits, and if there are any, they are hardly of janitorial relevance. You will need to step up the game by a good bit if you want to be re-promoted. -- Spiderzed█ 17:41, 1 June 2013 (BST)

you two better wait for you misconbitration cases... which will be filled anytime now... maybe... meh --hagnat 18:32, 1 June 2013 (BST)

Don't worry hagnat. It's just backwards day. (Whether it's the backward of backwards day is another question.) --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 18:53, 1 June 2013 (BST)

I call for a vote of no confidence!--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 20:01, 1 June 2013 (BST)

So... no promotions for realsis ? --hagnat 03:49, 9 June 2013 (BST)

Karloth vois

• Karloth vois (talk | contribs | UDWiki contribs | vndl data)

there is a distinct lack of humour here and none of you have adequate split personalities -- Adward  03:19, 6 April 2013 (BST)

AU10 Fist-bump. -MHSstaff 03:59, 6 April 2013 (BST)

consider yourself fisted -- Adward  00:06, 8 April 2013 (BST)

MAKE IT SO, FUCKBUTTS 03:40, 6 April 2013 (BST)

THIS MAN KNOWS WHATS UP -- Adward  00:06, 8 April 2013 (BST)

• With a whopping 33 edits since his last bid, and an astounding total of 1 so far in 2013, I'll be surprised if Karloth doesn't get promoted. But I do have a question - what date do you prophesy for Misconbitragnarok? Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 03:49, 6 April 2013 (BST)

• Classy gent + unlimited power = righteous hero. -MHSstaff 03:59, 6 April 2013 (BST)
• Super Important Question - Is your facial hair even more awesome now? —Aichon— 04:23, 6 April 2013 (BST)

  Against - I'm jealous of his mustache, since it's clearly getting all of his attention and keeping him from responding here. Also, I discriminate against things that I'm jealous of. —Aichon— 06:41, 8 April 2013 (BST)

• Abstain Vouch - Abstain because people like his moustache more than mine, vouch cause Karloth is a good bloke. A ZOMBIE ANT 05:03, 6 April 2013 (BST)
• Question - Are you a time traveling Axe Hack, if so, will I be disappointed?--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 07:13, 6 April 2013 (BST)
• Vouch. His lack of edits don't count, he'd make more if you guys would give him a chance already. :| --SA 15:02, 6 April 2013 (BST)
• Vouch Although he fails several criteria, he also passes several criteria which I just made up. -- Adward  00:08, 8 April 2013 (BST)
• FUCK YEAH! vouch for all you OCD cunts, and you know who i'm speaking about.--User:Sexualharrison00:56, 8 April 2013
• I moustache you a question. Tu nous aimes, n'est-ce pas ? ~ _{06:34, 8 April 2013 (UTC)}
• Vouch →Son of Sin← 14:43, 8 April 2013 (BST)
• Couch: Have a seat right here. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 13:40, 10 April 2013 (BST)
• Against He's not woot. --Rosslessness 15:24, 11 April 2013 (BST)

  i don't think woot can grow a mustache--User:Sexualharrison21:05, 11 April 2013

• Abstain Don't actually know Karloth, so copping out on this. --Boneshred The Hungry 20:12, 16 April 2013 (BST)
• Vouch' There is something beautiful in the fact Karl has been trying to become a Sysop for nearly half a decade now. --Kooks 11:41, 19 April 2013 (BST)
• Keep tilting at them windmills you crazy mother bastard. 16:45, 19 April 2013 (BST)
• Vouch - because he once removed a splinter from my paw.--  Seekandyeshallfind     17:09, 19 April 2013 (BST)

The two weeks are up, and the candidate hasn't even expressed his willingness to run for sys-op yet. Even if he had, he would have failed multiple key criteria. Obviously, this bid gets rejected. -- Spiderzed█ 17:57, 22 April 2013 (BST)

Haha holy shit I just saw this now! I was pretty confused when I looked at this page and saw my username, though to be fair letting me know I'm up for election would probably do more harm than good to my chances. Draaaaawde! --Karloth Vois ^¯\(°_o)/¯ 00:28, 18 May 2013 (BST)

Kirsty Cotton

• Kirsty_cotton (talk | contribs | UDWiki contribs | vndl data)

During my time on the wiki, I've worked hard to make improvements, be friendly and generally encourage civil discussion. I'm proud of my history of never over-analyzing wikilaw and being reasonable in past discussions. My janitorial work speaks for itself. But rather than just tell you wonderful things about myself, ask some questions and I'll respond with wonderful things about myself. --_K 12:43, 1 April 2013 (BST)

• Question Mahna Mahna? -- Spiderzed█ 15:16, 1 April 2013 (BST)

  Are you belittling my sysop jog? --_K 18:10, 1 April 2013 (BST)

• Against - April Fools jokes are so 2006--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 19:01, 2 April 2013 (BST)

  "Are so 2006?" You got any more zingers there, chief? I mean shit, I guess you came up with that, right? I've never heard it use that way. +1 for creativity. --_K 22:57, 2 April 2013 (BST)

• Question What's your daily occuptation? Do you work, go to highschool, college? --Thadeous Oakley Talk 14:34, 3 April 2013 (BST)
  • 'cause we've always cared so much about this in the past. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 08:17, 4 April 2013 (BST)
  • Creepy. -MHSstaff 21:20, 4 April 2013 (BST)

  I work. To possibly explain some of my wikilawyering, at my job I have to write in such a way as to be legally binding. For example, I learned an early lesson that should and shall aren't the same. --_K 22:51, 4 April 2013 (BST)

• Vouch - I butt heads with Kirsty but I like him/her. Doesn't take shit but in my experience hasn't lost their head during disputes. And I'm pretty sure he can't be Axe Hack. I'll be pretty upset if he's Axe Hack. A ZOMBIE ANT 08:05, 4 April 2013 (BST)
• Vouch - Sure, why not. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 08:17, 4 April 2013 (BST)
• Question Is this some last ditch attempt to keep you interested in this wiki? what happens if you fail this bid? why now? --User:Sexualharrison14:43, 4 April 2013

  Actually no. I fully expect to fail, just thought I'd see how it went. As for why, the recent drama, mostly my fault (sorry), has made me believe we need differing voices in the sysop team. --_K 22:51, 4 April 2013 (BST)

  While i think you are fun to play with I just don't think you have what it takes to be a sysop on this wiki. sorry Against--User:Sexualharrison23:42, 5 April 2013

• Question - Mind if I cycle this? I got a chuckle out of it when you posted it on April Fool's Day (I thought the self-deprecating humor was clever), but it's beginning to outstay its welcome. If you want for it to be treated as a serious bid, we'll need to post it to wiki news and start grilling you about the requirements, and that's no fun. —Aichon— 15:56, 4 April 2013 (BST)
  • I'm always for punishing jokes by fulfilling the fake requests, to me it makes them funnier. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 17:58, 4 April 2013 (BST)
  • ^^^^^ This is a win / win situation. Either you get a new sysop or the joke keeps on trucking past Funnyville right into Hilarioustopia. -MHSstaff 21:20, 4 April 2013 (BST)

  I'll take the grilling, as I previous stated, I have no expectation of success. But meh, what else am I doing. --_K 22:51, 4 April 2013 (BST)

  If this is serious, then okay. I know much of your bid was intended to be tongue-in-cheek, but it brings up several important points. Namely, what janitorial work or indication of prior interest in maintaining the wiki can you point towards? In looking through your contribs (note: we have to go back almost a year before we hit 500 of them, meaning you do not meet criteria 2), I don't see a large number tied to any janitorial work at all. You do have a leg up on the average wiki user, in that you've not been afraid to get involved with administrative matters. That said, you also poked fun at yourself and your wikilawyering tendencies in your own bid text (and have referenced your related real-life background), which makes sense, given the recent Misconduct case you filed (it bears repeating that I don't think you were in the wrong for filing that case, though I do think it was a bit on the extreme end of the options available to you).
  You also recently took a leave from the wiki for about a month, which is an indication that you may not be interested in it. What brought you back and what assurances do we have that you won't leave again? Related to your motivation, why do you want to be a sysop and what do you think you can uniquely add? You've mentioned that you think we "need differing voices in the sysop team", but I'm not sure of that. I think that dissension for its own sake is rarely productive, and that what we really need are people who are unafraid to voice opinions they've reached through independent, reasoned thought and who come from differing perspectives, which is something we already have (see #4 in the Drama Work section of my sysop guide). Even in the events related to the recent Misconduct case, several people commented on how unusual it was for the sysops to agree unanimously on a topic that was so controversial. And with the wiki as quiet as it is these days, adding someone to the team who comes up short in the sorts of tasks that we're doing 99% of the time just so that we can have them around on the off-chance that drama happens doesn't make for a compelling reason. —Aichon— 01:04, 5 April 2013 (BST)

  There is some truth in this and the recent motivation question is a concern but I think having a new sheriff in town who can have the sysop team perhaps take a step back, look at a decision and ask "Is this really consistent with policy? Are we handling this the best way we can and in a manner that is consistent with the expectations of the community?" is not necessary a bad thing. I see Kirsty as that person and I think the team could use that person. Lack of janitorial work is a concern but I think Kirsty is perfectly capable of doing those jobs. Look at this way: Either you gain another sysop who pitches in the janitorial duties, has experience and interest in improving the policy aspects of the wiki or you don't and they are booted at the next A/RE. Not a lot of risk here. -MHSstaff 02:20, 5 April 2013 (BST)

  The "give them a test drive" argument has never held much water with me, given that you could apply it equally well to pretty much any candidate. And Bob was side-by-side agreeing with Kirsty through a lot of the recent drama, so there's an argument to be made for saying that we already have someone filling that role. Moreover, asking those sorts of questions is not something that you need to be a sysop to do, which Kirsty has already demonstrated capably. Plus, the community expectations issue you cite seem rather hypothetical in nature, rather than grounded in reality. After all, the recent drama ensued because the sysops took actions that were allegedly contrary to the letter of the law in order to protect something that was clearly in line with the community's wishes. —Aichon— 07:22, 5 April 2013 (BST)

  Difference of opinion I suppose. There are people who I think could do the job (Pre-sysop Rev/Peralta/KC) but may fall short in some area (drama/experience/experience), and with the safeguards of misconduct and RE, I think the potential reward outweighs the risk. Yes, someone does not have to be a sysop to ask those sort of questions, but to me, it shows an interest in improving the wiki, an interest in the policies and background governance of the wiki, and a capacity to think and raise concerns about a challenging issue. Routine sysop tasks can be learned on the job. My only concern, especially with some of the recent comments, is interest in performing those duties and only KC can really answer that. -MHSstaff 19:39, 5 April 2013 (BST)

  I would perform the menial/tedious admin tasks. I can't say it seems like a super fun activity, but it is necessary for an orderly and well-kept wiki. I'm aware that 90%+ of what I'm asking is to get to ban spambits and delete or move pages on request. --_K 05:57, 6 April 2013 (BST)

  I was active in the MediaWiki_talk:Sidebar and UDWiki:Administration/Policy_Discussion/Permaban_Appeal_Revisions discussions. As for janitorial work, I've got a bit of spambit hunting and that's about it. I believe I've shown some interest in maintaining the wiki through the aforementioned admin related discussions. I have also made some improvements to my wiki code knowledge (not much, but some), which serves me no purpose other than this wiki. As for my departure and return, I find the wiki an easy source of wasting time, which is the reasoning for both. I can't make any promise that I won't depart again. I have no plans to do so, but I can offer no guarantee RL won't mandate it. I'm not 100% on board that dissension for the sake of dissension is a bad idea. There is a value to dissension, so long as the goal is improvement to the wiki or procedures. It seems some policies and ways of doing things are hold overs from the good ole days when the wiki was a hotbed of drama. I don't honestly have any unique skills or abilities to offer. I could learn to do admin tasks, but I don't have any pressing project or really a specific need for the buttons. I think I hit all your questions? I'm well aware of my shortcoming in relation to being a sysop, and I feel I should do better selling myself. But, I think we all know I'm pitching a used kia, calling it a new mercedes isn't going to fool anyone.--_K 02:38, 5 April 2013 (BST)

  I wouldn't be that dismissive, and I have a lot of respect for people that are honest with themselves and others regarding what they have to offer and where they come up short. :D —Aichon— 07:22, 5 April 2013 (BST)

• Question - Do you have a preference of pronoun, and if so, what is it? I've been using "she" consistently because you primarily RP a female character, but should I be using "he", or each one in different circumstances (eg. in-game discussions v. wiki-related ones)? Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 17:36, 4 April 2013 (BST)

  I don't have a preference. Picking a female name basically took that option from me. If you want for RP reason to use one or the other that is fine --_K 22:51, 4 April 2013 (BST)

  Thanks. I'm going to against, both because it seems you're not that enthusiastic about the job, and because I'd like to see you make a more concerted effort towards wiki-improvement in the next few months. But if you do so, and bid again then, you'd likely have my support. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 01:48, 5 April 2013 (BST)

• Vouch - Kirsty would be a solid sysop. Knows the wiki, understands the community, and keeps it real. -MHSstaff 21:20, 4 April 2013 (BST)
• Question - Is this a serious bid to be a SysOP or not? I'm with Aichon. If this is now serious, let's take it seriously and remove all of the April fool's stuff. If you really want the job, I'd like to see you make an honest run at it. I don't think this sideways approach is the way to go if you're serious.-- 23:44, 4 April 2013 (BST)

  I can understand that, but this is what I got. --_K 02:38, 5 April 2013 (BST)

• Against ~ _{01:15, 5 April 2013 (UTC)}

  Some justification since it came up during crat discussion. I care less about UDWiki politics and beaurocracy than I did a year ago. A lot less. Pretty much the way sysops have been running the place is fine by me. The reason for my against vote was because I saw it as a joke bid gone overly ripe and wasn't really convinced otherwise by the time I commented. Still not entirely convinced its not. I suppose there are also some personal misgivings. Conduct during the Izumi appeal, jabs here and there about how much the sysops suck. He even has a page devoted to that last subject in his user space. We're more or less polar opposites in regards to the wiki and those types of attitudes by others are one of the reasons I stepped down from sysop last year. In the end, this will probably all come down to a crat decsion and feel free to regard this as a "weak against" or "meh". ~ _{19:35, 13 April 2013 (UTC)}

• Vouch - Punish her!--RadicalWhig 02:16, 5 April 2013 (BST)
• Question – As follow-up to User:Spiderzed's question, what have you got against the Muppets and/or Swedish soft porn? ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 02:31, 5 April 2013 (BST)

  Nothing, so long as they're together. --_K 02:40, 5 April 2013 (BST)

  That answer is acceptable. Other acceptable answers would have been CENSORED, DENIED or just plain ERADICATED. Casting Couch. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 13:44, 10 April 2013 (BST)

• What do you think could produce more interest in the wiki, wiki community, and/or game? --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 03:46, 5 April 2013 (BST)

  I'll go with wiki community, although both. The game to wiki conversation rate is small, I guess (I have no idea how many unique players the active number represents). However, the new users who stop using the wiki are a 100% loss. I still find wiki navigation painful at times and although the wiki community in general is fun (if you get used to it), there is a steep welcome curve (see: User:Peralta). --_K 04:13, 5 April 2013 (BST)

  Indeed. The wiki has been historically not very welcoming to new users. Probably not much better nowadays.--  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 23:55, 5 April 2013 (BST)

  Funny actually, before it was general hostility and trolling, now it's apathy and self-righteous wanking, either make the same level of unfriendliness as the other did ;_; ;_; ;_; ;_; A ZOMBIE ANT 05:06, 6 April 2013 (BST)

  I think the project welcome revamp is helping (and much improved from the template), but yeah I'd generally agree with that assessment. --_K 05:57, 6 April 2013 (BST)

  This was nice. Vouch --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 04:20, 8 April 2013 (BST)

• Fuck it.--SA 15:02, 6 April 2013 (BST)
• Vouch →Son of Sin← 14:43, 8 April 2013 (BST)
• Vouch - Kirsty has good knowledge of the game, humor, and is very helpful and hard-working... when she feels like it. xD --Merondi^talk XII 20:37, 10 April 2013 (BST)

After two weeks of community discussion, we bureaucrats have decided to decline that bid for now. The community vote was a contested one, with both strong points for and against you. My personal recommendation would be that you should:

1. step up your contributions,
2. add a healthy dose of janitorial gnomewerk to your contribs, and
3. improve your knowledge of wikilaw.

If you follow that advice, you should arrive at the point of being elegible within a few months. -- Spiderzed█ 22:36, 15 April 2013 (BST)

I'm just happy to make it 2 weeks without being cycled. Victory! --_K 23:51, 17 April 2013 (BST)

I think yours (and mine) have been delayed until we get to the A/PM part of the A/SA migration. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 00:04, 18 April 2013 (BST)

Why ya ruining my moment? --_K 00:19, 18 April 2013 (BST)

Oops, didn't realize it was your moment XD Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 03:40, 18 April 2013 (BST)

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Archived as successful -- boxy 05:58, 18 May 2013 (BST)

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