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User:Spokane

No! Please tell me you're kidding. His posts on his talk page are completely fine. He doesn't want the newbie template, lots of people don't. If he is a vandal account, which he may be he should be given newbie benefit of the doubt. Shoot him a warning and see if he cleans his act up. This is the sort of overreactive bullshit that scares potential contributors off the wiki. Give him a chance.--x o x o 12:19, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Admittedley, his last talk page contribution wasn't bad faith or vandalism, but his main vandal edit doesn't say much for his long term usage of the wiki does it? Liberty 13:14, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Newbies do that shit often. I admit it's not a good reference, but it's not like if we don't stop him now he can't be stopped. Woah that's a lot of negs, you catch my drift though.--x o x o 13:16, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

I do agree with you. should wait for another offense before a perma, his talk page edit did indicate he intended to stay here. Liberty 13:18, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes, and it also specifically stated that he intended to continue being a "jerk" to people he feels deserve it. If you feel that that part of policy is wrong, then A/PD can fix it by removing that part of A/G -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 13:53 18 January 2009 (BST)

What about permabanning him if he actually continue being a jerk after his first warning? --Janus ^talk 14:03, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Have you read the policy? --Cyberbob 14:09, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

User:Hagnat

So, i take it you guys are like sith jedis... there is always two of you guys, a master and an apprentice. With grim's gone, iscariot was promoted to master and ur his apprentice ? --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{talk mod} 00:35, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

I hate star wars. You should know why.--x o x o 00:37, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorry but I'm gonna have to agree with J3D on this one. You really need to quit poking the damn bear!--SirArgo ^Talk 00:43, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

U mispelled 'beer'... curous fact: a user is trying to get promoted and he says he doesnt drink and wikis for a long time, yet, i... --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{talk mod} 00:46, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

i herd u liek mudkipz. iz it tru?-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 03:24, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

you gettig vb'd Liberty 07:20, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

your indentation suggests your responding to cheese but the last word in your post suggests iscariot! :O --x o x o 01:10, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Methinks he needs to go and sober up. =/ -- C h e e s e 01:13, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Nahh... its just the coffe --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{talk mod} 01:13, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Drunk wikiing, its teh bezt. Amirite lads? --x o x o 01:14, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Aye, ruling on vandalism cases is particularly good. =p -- C h e e s e 01:17, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

LoL@canadalism... u cant blame people for being canadian. Its like me going around slapping argentinans around for being... you know, from argentina. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{talk mod} 01:20, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

So mudkipz is a bannable offense now? --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS I jizzed in my pants pr0n} 01:49, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

always has been.--x o x o 02:07, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Colonel Krauser case

Moved from main page

What?! When Haliman was a Fraud was on the wiki, did I vandalize it? NO. I came to A/D where a case was already opened, and voted. I am simply letting the public know about Umbrella CHEATING. --Haliman - Talk 21:22, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

While I disagree entirely, go do that somewhere else. The wiki is not a place for this.--Thadeous Oakley 21:26, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Despite the fact that arby case is in the process of getting started, you are still trying to bait the Umbrella side into making a mistake so you can drag them here. Most of the edits I've seen from you the past day or so have been so blatantly non-constructive it's not even funny. You can either co-operate and get this mess cleared up or you can do what you're doing right now and just continue to be a troll. Up to you. -- C h e e s e 21:30, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Get this mess cleaned up? Umbrella has harassed me and my doings for the past 8 months. What makes you think a wiki arby case will solve that? Have you even seen our forum today? No. They sent spammers who continued to change their IP every time we banned one, to the point where I took away every guests' ability to post. We are doing nothing wrong. --Haliman - Talk 21:35, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

And making pages that are by their very nature going to cause even more fuss is just idiotic. The best course of action is get you guys on a common middle ground (the wiki) and you can sort things out without having to worry about getting banned from the others forums or whatever. The more of a mess that is made, the harder it's going to be to sort it so you might as well get on with it. -- C h e e s e 21:40, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, of course.--Thadeous Oakley 21:37, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Ok then, Thad, what are we doing wrong? Check the history of all your pages. Nothing wrong there. Check your forums. Any spam by the UBCS? None. --Haliman - Talk 21:39, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Actually, we do have spam by (apparent) UBCS. Happy? --Thadeous Oakley 21:47, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Who said it? I can assure you I will confront them about it. --Haliman - Talk 21:48, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorry if I'm wrong or ignoring something, but doesn't this meet the criteria for vandalism in that it involves edits to a group subpage that said user is not a member of? --Pestolence^(talk) 22:10, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Apparently I provoked them <_< even when they threatened to do the same thing. --Haliman - Talk 22:24, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

There's a general rule of thumb that I've used in the past; When your actions make their vandalism appear to be a reasonable next step either you both broke the rules of it's not vandalism and it's time for a third party to step in and tell you you're both crossing a line(soft warning type administration voice stuff). It seems like Cheese is saying it's reached that point, because we can't let you both vandalize but we also aren't going to reward you for driving people to vandalism. Basically, proceed cautiously and don't use the wiki to further the dispute.--Judge Karke, self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All 05:28, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

This group has been asked to leave this page alone numerous times... telling them that they're actions will go unpunished if another group was "mean to them" will not improve the situation. They both need to keep to their own group sub pages, or learn to use talk pages! -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 13:05 12 January 2009 (BST)

My point was both groups will be escalated equally.--Judge Karke, self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All 16:19, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

And what are you going to escalate UBCS for? For being annoying arses, on their own pages? Bah! A bit of personal responsibility is needed here. Let people say what they like about you on their own pages... if you have a problem with what they're saying, talk to them reasonably... or start arbitration proceedings against them... but do not vandalise their page! When it comes to vandalism being reported here, "they were being mean" can not be a reason to excuse vandalism of a group page -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 17:06 12 January 2009 (BST)

Understandable but there is precedent for treating both sides equally when they're driving each other to bad faith edits. Sadly there's also precedent for ignoring one side while they cause the other to be permabanned.--Judge Karke, self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All 01:34, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Haliman... learn to provide diff comparisons, like this, which shows the actual changes made by the person in question. S'okay? -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 13:05 12 January 2009 (BST)

User:Iscariot

It's a cycled case, so not taking up space in the prevailing cases, but we all know how this is going to be ruled.

"even though I know"? Karek has access to no in-date information. Although a former member of the RRF War Council, Karek is no longer privileged to the basic information I as a serving member of the Gore Corps has. It would be like allowing Jorm to dictate the RRF's current suburb activities, past involvement has no bearing on current information made available to a serving and loyal member of the group in question of the case. I am willing to make available to War Council and Sysops logs from IRC that show Karek's disdain for the RRF and the limit of his "privileged information" through private channels. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 04:58, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Feel free, they know why I left. But please, explain how that changes what they all know about how the GC came about and still functions, do they have their own group tag now? Have they been thrown out of the RRF?--Judge Karke, self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All 05:01, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't have to answer those questions, I have to answer the ones that were applicable to the DEM's arguments on the move page. The Corps existed before admission to the horde, they operate independently, they were not asked before the move from there old space occurred (in fact I registered a dispute that was summarily overruled) without consultation in question and they recruit seperately from the main body. Now, have I described Axe's High or the Gore Corps? It's odd that all you attempts to escalate me focus on the Gore Corps and not the Breakfast Club which was the other half of the case. Is that because you know you're wrong or is it because your information on the horde is so out of date that you have no clue as to their current status?

What we have here is a sysop making a blanket decision based on year old information with no consultation with the group in question. Odd how he would do this with the DEM rather than the horde he has claimed to hold "privileged information" about.... --

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The only reason I'm not adding more on the GMT-BC thing is because I was asked not to by the same person that provided me with the information that made me not go back and move it.--Judge Karke, self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All 05:19, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

You're still avoiding the question. Are you a member of the War Council and able to speak for the RRF? Are you a member of the Gore Corps? My input in the Humanity's Saviour's case wasn't subject to A/VB because I knew more than you due to my current group affiliations. This is no different, except your pride can't allow you to state the obvious. Answer the questions. --

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Sure, that's it. Had nothing to do with the fact that Labine was a third party and your input there was superfluous and useless.--Judge Karke, self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All 05:27, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Tell me, was the person that requested the move from the original position a third party or a member of the RRF? Same applies. You again avoid the questions. --

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The Gore Corps is and always was a branch of the RRF. It was one of the fricking causes of the RRF-MOB split! Same thing goes for the GMT Breakfast Club and the Dept of Homeland Security (which i was a proud member of). Denying this is saying you dont know jack shit about the rrf history --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{talk mod} 05:05, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

History? Is this an historical group that we are talking about or a current one? Are you a member? Am I? --

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Do I have the ability to move this shit to the talk page, or will I get in trouble for it? --Cyberbob 05:26, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Please, feel free.--Judge Karke, self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All 05:28, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

I was asked to come here and comment since I was the Papa during the creation of the Gore Corps. Before I begin let me say what the Gore Corps is and what it isn't. The Gore Corp is a disgrace to the RRF and by making himself leader of it Moloch himself is responsible for the downfalls of the RRF. But the Gore Corps is not separate from the RRF for that very reason. During Big Bash (the only one because the second was weak) a lot of us were combat revived. I said if you are revived do what you want; be a survivor, pker, or kill yourself. Goolina asked if she could lead a group when revived, I said sure. Then the group went from those accidentally revived to those that seek revives. This is not what the RRF stands for, and if you ask me it still doesn't because whatever it is that Moloch is leading is not the RRF. Its a fanclub for himself since the man is creating a cult of personality on par with Turkmenbashi (the real one). The Gore Corps was like every other strike team during my control, it answered to a Group leader. This is all alien to you because Moloch did away with everything the RRF had except for the Gore Corps and GMT BC. You had Papa, War Master, Consigliere, Elders, Group Leaders (Uncles), Capos for the Groups, and then strike team leaders that answered to the Uncles. Somewhere Moloch fucked with this because he has nothing better to do then fuck up good things. Now every zombie is in a strike team because the RRF isn't a horde but a group split into 5 or so platoons. However, none of this really matters since the argument is on RRF vs. DEM. During my time as Papa I asked Petro if I could separate the RRF horde from the DoHS so that people could have 2 zombies. He said no because that is alt abuse, going for the same goal with 2 characters. The DEM has this though, 2 characters in the same branch. The RRF does not allow you to have 2 characters in the RRF. By saying the Gore Corp is separate then you are saying that you can have 2 characters in the RRF, thus alt abuse. By doing this the RRF admits to alt abuse. Moloch runs the RRF and Gore Corps with the same character, RRF bans 2 characters in the same group, and historically the Gore Corps always was a strike team within Group 0, the combined horde. My expert opinion: Gore Corps is in the RRF. --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS I jizzed in my pants pr0n} 05:45, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

When did you stop being Papa of the RRF? Did the Corps stop at the same time? --

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I stopped being Papa in September 2006. Gore Corps was created in July 2006. I remained on the War Council until Early 2008. I was very active in the RRF until around November 2007. The Gore Corps has always been part of the RRF. Despite what Moloch says the RRF has been around before he became Papa. I know a lot of this information is new. A lot of information on the RRF before he took over was erased off the wikipage, the main RRF website, and from the forum. --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS I jizzed in my pants pr0n} 05:57, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Just so we're clear, by October 2006 at the latest you were no longer the final de facto authority for the horde? You admit that you views are in conflict with the current holder of the position of Papa in the RRF? You admit that it is the right of Papa to decide whatever he wishes for the horde without reproach either internally or externally? You also admit that you have no basis for a lot of this information other than you own word and those of your supporters?

What we have here, ladies and gentlemen of the community, is someone that is now banned from all RRF media, be it wiki, IRC or forum based attempting to tell you without substantiating proof other than the word of his supporters what the position and structure of a group is that he hasn't been head of for two years and that he has open hostility towards the current group and its leader as approved by the group itself.

I trust this illustrates the accuracy and trustworthiness of this information. It is the right of any group in this game to define themselves as they wish, Sonny no longer holds that position or any of power in the RRF, Karek never held this position, no longer holds a position of power and attempts to stifle all discussion of his decisions regarding this group through such cases as this. The question you of the wiki community must ask yourselves is, is questioning and asking for clarification of a decision represented by deception on a closed move case an act of bad faith editing and therefore vandalism? --

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If you're trying to argue with the Papa who created the Gore Corps on what the strike team was and was not then you're stupider than I imagined. And for the record I was banned from the RRF and everything for the same reason why the MOB and Sanitarium left the RRF, they didn't like how shit was going. I will say for the record, Moloch is an idiot and is ruining the RRF. My opinions got me banned for "slagging off" as he puts it. This has been settled. All you're doing now is bringing down the RRF even more. --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS I jizzed in my pants pr0n} 06:18, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

You weren't asking for clarification and the case itself was borderline vandalism because you know better. You're trying to abuse the system to make some trumped up point against the system working in any manner for the DEM, a group you hate. The fact that your justifications have been proven false by knowledgeable parties that you then attack their trustworthiness because you can't attack their arguments and you know it makes that point for me. Thank you for showing just how right I am in filing this case.--Judge Karke, self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All 06:20, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Please don't imply my intentions, the overriding principle of this page, as you well know, is to assume good faith. Assuming I was doing otherwise against my own knowledge is bad faith at worse and incorrect as fact. Knowledgable parties? Two people no longer in power in a group and with a demonstrative grudge against it? The case is not about the DEM except for a point of statute. They were allowed to move their pages out from group control, I asked why. I then pointed out that groups within my horde can and do fit the same criteria and should be allowed the same rights. You disagreed and I questioned your right to speak for a group you no longer hold a position in and have an obvious contempt for. It was for this, and nothing else, that I was brought here. --

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It's funny because you're being super serious. --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS I jizzed in my pants pr0n} 06:29, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

<hagnat> does iscariot hold any "position of power" in the rrf?
<Murray_Jay> iscariot?  i don't believe so
<hagnat> ok
<Murray_Jay> he has a gore corpser, but i think that's it
<hagnat> second question
<hagnat> are you capable of defining the status of the strike teams ?
<Murray_Jay> status?
<Murray_Jay> like how many people they're getting?
<hagnat> as in: is gore corps a strike team of the rrf, or a independent group ?
<hagnat> same question goes for the other strike teams
<Murray_Jay> it's a part of the rrf
<Murray_Jay> not independent
<hagnat> iscariot saying that gc is independent
<hagnat> and that the gc formed outside the rrf and they joined in
<Murray_Jay> those are both just wrong
<Murray_Jay> i mean, they were formed during the original big bash, but they were a part of the RRF'ers taking part in the bash

Iscariot dismissed the opinion of both karek and sonny, since they didnt hold any "position of power" in the current rrf. To my surprise, neither does he. In the above log, you'll notice how murray jay confirms that the gc is part of the rrf and always was part of it. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{talk mod} 06:35, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

And I thought inner group-drama was preserved for survivors only.--Thadeous Oakley 15:47, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

meh... its not like iscariot speaks for any of the groups he says he speaks for. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{talk mod} 15:53, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Umbrella Groups

You are all faggots. Resident Evil sucks. Basing your group off of Umbrella, a poorly created idea for a corporation that fits every single cliche, is retarded. I hope you all die in a fire. I hope your family develops cancer. I hope everyone you love contracts AIDS. I hate you all. Love, --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS I jizzed in my pants pr0n} 01:30, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

I love you Sonny. Are you going to contract AIDS now?--Thadeous Oakley 14:30, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

I would if I wasn't immune to it. --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS I jizzed in my pants pr0n} 03:19, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Omg hax0rs. --Haliman - Talk 03:27, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Janus Abernathy Case

See Wan? This is why we talk things out first! ;) -- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 15:38, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Please don't automatically assume that it is a Umbrella member, WanYao. I apologize for Skouth and Rohanzap but this Hallman/Umbrellaemployee is not one of ours. Its quite easy to impersonate a group and there is not really much what the impersonated group can do in such a case.--Thadeous Oakley 17:11, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

"How many vandal reports in the last week from their members" Lets see... 2 from Umbrella employee, 2 from Rohan, 1-2 from Skouth "I lose track now," 2 from Hallman, and 1 from Thad. That's 9 cases. <_< Just delete there page already. They zerg, vandalize, and all around piss everyone off. --Haliman - Talk 17:26, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Both of you shut up and get over yourselves. We are not having a flame war starting on the VB page. Take it elsewhere. -- C h e e s e 17:36, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

I was trying to make something clear to everyone here, Cheese.--Thadeous Oakley 17:43, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Hallman Case

I'd like to point out that this is not one of our members. Either this hallman/umbrellaemployeeguy is trying to make us look bad on purpose (which would not surprise me at all...) or he doesn't follow direct orders in which case he will be banned from our forums should we ever find out who he is.--Thadeous Oakley 17:06, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

LOL. Nice "authoritative figure" act. You would never ban someone for this. You'd probably give them a medal. --Haliman - Talk 17:24, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

If i might say something... I was acting independently of Umbrella at the time. Please do not let my actions reflect on Umbrella as a whole. If anyone deserves the blame for vandalising let it be me and me alone. At the time i was kind of... inebriated lets say. As for MR. Haliman's remark that i was accounted of two charges of vandalism in the last week i would like to point out to him that the afformentioned incident took place on December 11th. That is more than one week ago from this current date so i would (if it is not seen as being persnickity) suggest to Haliman that he invest in a calendar. Word on the street is you can get one really cheap now.Also i would like to point out that it was seen as a collective charge. I would also like to point out that the "umbrellaemployee" is not in anyway affiliated with Umbrella to the full extent of my knowledge. I can second MisterGame's statement that he is not a member of the Umbrella Corporation group. If i might put forth a slice of personal thought i believe that the person in question "umbrellaemployee" is in fact someone that may feel that Haliman111 has wronged them in some way and seen the animosity shared between our two groups. They have decided to increase the sense of bitter rivalry and hatred by posing as one of our supposed members and by making salacious comments about Mr Haliman here. The overall point i am trying to make is that Mr Haliman should perhaps stop pointing the finger at Umbrella (regardless of past occurences for which i am deeply ashamed of) and think who else it might be. Perhaps a former member of the UBCS who became disatisfied with the group or even a rogue party just trying stir up trouble in order to watch and secretly mock us at we tear at each others throats. So i bid you please stop this madness. Yours sincerely Rohanzap —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rohanzap (talk • contribs) at an unknown time.

Would you all stop, elsewhere, if you must. _■^■ 18:37, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

What the hell am I supposed to stop? The UBCS never did anything! Check the history on Umbrella's page! --Haliman - Talk 03:48, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Sexylegsread Case

~~Id' say not candanalism in itselsf but ppoor form noetheless. I am quire drnk ans L';m dix shit speilling in eth morningfd -- C h e e s e 04:43, 1 January 2009 (UTC)~~ Striking my own drunken ramblings--C h e e s e 18:45, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

What the hell? Please say that was a joke Cheese...-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 04:48, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

I should clarify that, please tell me the way you fucked everything up like you're drunk was a joke.-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 04:49, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Cheese, he outright admitted to getting a "friend" to do it. He was as involved in it as is possible without actually pushing the button. This "poor form" shit is a cop-out, nothing more. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 05:37, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

excuse me? I never said I "got someone" to do it for me. It was never even my idea I just told the girl to go ahead, it will be funny. Last I checked regular users don't have an obligation to prevent account creation. Our group of friends all play UD. Only 3 of us wiki it. This person is one of those I'd people.not me. It is not an offence to not stop someone else from doing something. Whether I encourage it or not is irrelevant, it would have happened with or without by input. --CyberRead240 09:46, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately for you, it isn't irrelevant whether you encourage it or not. Hell, even if you didn't encourage it your knowledge of it is in itself vandalism as you didn't do anything to forewarn the sysops. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 09:54, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

As I said, with or without me, it would have happened. But if you really want to pull all of this out your arse and make a song and dance guys, I'm happy to watch you hoo-hah about it, dw about that. Give me the escalation if you can link the appropriate rules, and I will cop it. Wiki is boring now anyway, its the same old same olds who can't take a joke. I miss grim.--CyberRead240 10:03, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

If you really hate it here so much, feel free to ask for a permaban. I'm sure they'll be only too happy to oblige. Or are you simply talking shit again? --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 10:05, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Uh, I don't want to ask for a perma ban, that is why I haven't. Does that suffice? I don't know about you, but I find it easy to go outside and enjoy life, my wiki use is sporadic as a result. But if I ever truly get back into UD, I would like to be able to edit pages that may be of relevance. For now, I am happy doing what I do, but my interest is declining, thats for sure.--CyberRead240 10:13, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Two points. Firstly, you're absolutely right that you don't know about me, so passive-aggressive shit like that isn't going to be very effective. Secondly, you use this wiki plenty so your attempt to paint yourself as just a casual internet user is pretty obviously a lie. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 10:34, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Headings

Just a minor suggestion: since the {{vndl}} template includes a link to the user profile (and has done for quite a while now), we should really switch to plain headings with no links, which would make it easy to link to a particular case. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 02:29, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Like {{v}}? -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 03:46 3 January 2009 (BST)

Putting header code in templates isn't the best idea. There's a reason the newbie template is protected.--Karek^maps?! 03:53, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

If it's used, subst'ing it in should fix that problem, yeah? We'd probably have to also protect this template as well, in case of mishaps -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 04:07 3 January 2009 (BST)

Subst'ing templates is needless and should be avoided when not absolutely necessary. Just don't make it a header, give it an id. Or, just continue on in the already established manner sans link. It'll end up like the original system but with a fancy template.--Karek^maps?! 05:23, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Er... what? Substing templates is much better than having people copy paste long blocks of code, especially if there's anything which needs to be duplicated (such as the username), and it's much better than template calls for archival purposes. I like the {{V}} template, looks like a good way to streamline making reports. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 02:08, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Changing from the current system would just make it harder on the person filing the case. You're using inconvenience as an argument to inconvenience. However, my point was that you can make a bold title and anchor it, the only problem is that you won't have a normal table of contents AFAIK. That avoids the edit and header problems but keeps the code compact and straight forward by not including needless substitution. But, again, you'd have the problems that come from not having real headers, which is to say you won't have editable sections for each case. Which again brings us back to the point of what real benefit to the user is there from this change?--Karek^maps?! 02:33, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

The verdict box to the right of the cases is a good touch. Good job guys. --Zs L 06:43, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

I agree. Makes those longer cases a lot easier to follow. Linkthewindow Talk 07:14, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, until Hagnat and Conndraka use convenient mathematics when it suits them. --

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Thank you for your input.--– Nubis ^NWO 09:19, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

So, what do we think about doing away with the link in the headers? I think it's a good idea, seeing as the link is in the vndl template -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 10:25 5 January 2009 (BST)

Yeah. Go for it. Two links for the same things are just silly. -- C h e e s e 11:19, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Meh. Ether way, I don't really care. It is a bit redundant, as outlined above, but I don't really have a problem with it. If it's annoying some people, then why not? Linkthewindow Talk 11:26, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Wiki Martyr

oh come on! it's a bit of 'armless fun. Someone was bound to do it. If it was Conn, then kudos for being able to have some fun :) --x o x o 09:22, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

lolpuppetry? Liberty 09:25, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

exactly. should be encouraged really. --x o x o 09:28, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Is sockpuppetry common on the UDWiki? Or is this something that will be remembered? Liberty 09:37, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Not really, but this was obviously a joke, given the recent HAHA DISREGARD THAT I SUCK COCKS case. Not to mention the fact that the user didn't even bother using a proxy.--x o x o 11:17, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Liberty... don't listen to J3D. --Cyberbob 12:58, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes, and it's commonly banned. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, etc. -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 13:52 15 January 2009 (BST)

Haha, I remember when someone used #4 on that list to post a fake promotion bid in my name with all sorts of crazy shit in it. Gold Blade actually thought it was me, and tried calling bullshit when I said I didn't post it ;p --Cyberbob 13:59, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

I had no idea you were so popular, Cyberbob. But I have one too: User:A HeIpfuI LittIe Gnome. I even banned it myself! -- AHLG T G THE END IS NIGH! 17:38, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

As i mentioned, the haha disregard that i suck cocks is almost an exact parallel for what happened here. I would suggest motives were entirely different but while i whole heartedly agree with you, overturning a ruling here wouldn't look too good for the ol' box. --x o x o 13:12, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Conn didn't say anything about Boxy in his comment. Nice job on pulling it out of thin air. --Cyberbob 13:31, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Boxy was the only person who had ruled. And Conn wanted the ruling overturned. seems pretty straight forward to me.--x o x o 01:34, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

You're an idiot then. --Cyberbob 02:11, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

This account isn't impersonating Iscariot. Stop comparing it to impersonation accounts.--Judge Karke, self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All 02:05, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I believe the HAHA I SUCK COCKS account was perma'ed due to vandalism, and that case is completely analogous to this one. --Pestolence^(talk) 02:19, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

No, it's not. Cyberbob240's sig read HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT I SUCK COCKS. That was what he was signing as. That account existed solely for impersonation. --Judge Karke, self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All 02:26, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Sgt Raiden case

I would like to direct Iscariot attention to the blue box in the top of this page. Talk with users before reporting them. Most of the times a situation can be solved with a simple and polite request in the talk page. When newbies are involved, failing to follow this advice can even cause them to leave the game --People's Commissar Hagnat talk mod 18:25, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

It can lead to them leaving indeed. But let's not pretend that's what this is all about. If you actually cared about keeping players in the game you'd officially warn him and every other newbie that's brought to this page, otherwise we might try and settle things elsewhere. Should your attempted sabotage of the arbitration process succeed, what's more likely to make him leave the game? A warning on the wiki or repeated killing at the hands of the game's largest event's PKer wing? You tell me, no wait, I know.

Telling people to talk to users first is asking for more drama. Rather than put in the effort to go to their talk page, tell them to stop and then have to go through the back and forth explaining everything, people are just going to put their usernames in the profile database (newbies are notoriously stupid enough to have their username for their only character) and go out and gun them down. Rinse, repeat. One newbie gone. This way means you don't have to explain anything in the future either.

So stop making out that bringing them here makes them leave the game, this is the only thing that saves most of them from being griefed back to WoW. --

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. <== DDR Approved Editor 21:05, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

The Conndraka Case

Karek disputes it because 'it hasn't done anything'. Odd how he didn't dispute this case. Impartiality? Not here on A/VB. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 01:36, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, what's impersonation again?--Judge Karke, self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All 02:04, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

disregard that is a far better comparison. It was a user's tag line and that impersonated. Answer the same somewhat rhetorical question with that link subbed in instead plz.--x o x o 22:35, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, what's proxy using banned users again? To save time the answer is banned on sight, the cases were obviously related. --Judge Karke, self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All 02:47, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't understand what you just said, but the DISREGARD THAT case wasn't using a proxy as far as i'm aware. Also, i shorted your sig on my page coz it was breakin it.--x o x o 04:52, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

I thought you meant this case here. The DISREGARD THAT was a case of blatant impersonation. There are very few more straight forward cases than that one. --Judge Karke, self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All 06:38, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

I want to vandl ban ur face coz its so ugley.--CyberRead240 08:05, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

The Impersonation rule is all about the continued integrity of communications in this wiki. user:DISREGARD THAT was an account set up to try and fool people into thinking it was a particular user. Making every comment signed by cyberbob suspect as not said by him until checked. Damaging his ability to use this wiki.

Wiki Martyr was set up as an obviously distinct user. at no point would people be fooled into thinking both users were the same. Clearly not impersonation and in no way damaging Iscariot's ability to use this wiki.-- Vista T 17:07, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

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