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Saromu

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I really, really hate to do this, but he threatened to do it to me if I reverted the suberb danger rating in Stanbury Village, so I guess I'd better resopond in kind, lest he beat me to the punch.

I downgraded the place to safe because there are all of 15 zombies wandering around in it. That's not vandalism, it's using the wiki as any rational person would. Trying to make it vandalism is simple bullying and it's ridiculous. The suburb page does not belong to Saromu and he does not have the right to revert every edit that he disagrees with. His reverting my update is vandalism and I'll wait to change things back until after things are said and done here.

Saromu, I'm sorry things have come to this, but I've done everything I can to avoid it. --Ron Burgundy 16:16, 31 August 2006 (BST)

N O T _ V A N D A L I S M. For the same reasons i said your case of Vamdalism was not. Please, discuss this here, and stop accusing others from vandalism when they down/upgrade a suburb danger level. --overlord hagnat ^mod 16:46, 31 August 2006 (BST)

Shyangs

Recreated PTT. Probably an alt of the previously banned adbot. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^YRC☺T☺+1 08:54, 31 August 2006 (BST)

Altough now it looks like it has some content... --Matthew Fahrenheit ^YRC☺T☺+1 08:55, 31 August 2006 (BST)

I thought they get a nice little informal warning for recreating pages the first time.--∴Gage 15:16, 31 August 2006 (BST)

....Don't come to me for a translation of what the Chinese text is...I'm not translating... --Axe Hack 15:19, 31 August 2006 (BST)

Ah yes, I forgot reporting here. The first deletion and banning was a mistake, kinda. They are an actual in-game group, as seen in stats page. 176 members at this moment, btw. It's just that the first version of their page consisted of nothing else than single link, so we thought it to be adbot or something (plus the fact that the username consisted mostly of numbers, plus he used an open proxy). I've unbanned J10417 and it seems they have managed to create proper page for themselves. --Brizth ^{M T} 15:28, 31 August 2006 (BST)

how they got that large so fast... nobody knows. I bet it starts dropping when the accounts they used to zerg it start to disappear.--∴Gage 15:42, 31 August 2006 (BST)

I checked...PTT is a bulletin board in Taiwan...their group numbers could be most of the members playing Urban Dead. --Axe Hack 15:47, 31 August 2006 (BST)

It would be quite easy to make a group appear to be over 600 people big, all you do is make 600 accounts and then every 4 days or so just log into them. You could quite easily make some software that does that for you, but it'ld look very suspicious. - Jedaz 15:48, 31 August 2006 (BST)

You'll never know. Urban Dead is worldwide. PTT is Taiwan's Online Bulletin Board thingie and has tens of thousands of users every day(this user statement coming from the Taipei Times archives). Someone in Taiwan coulda bumped into the Urban Dead site by accident and posted a bulletin about it on PTT. --Axe Hack 15:57, 31 August 2006 (BST)

And by using Google cache, we can see that they didn't form just overnight: Stats page on 29^th --Brizth ^{M T} 16:01, 31 August 2006 (BST)

Risk

Sockpuppet of permabanned vandal. Permabanned. Cyberbob  Talk  08:52, 31 August 2006 (BST)

J10417

His only edit is creating this page, as you can see here. Maybe an adbot? --Matthew Fahrenheit ^YRC☺T☺+1 08:22, 31 August 2006 (BST)

Permabanned. Cyberbob  Talk  08:34, 31 August 2006 (BST)

Bah. Why do I always get an edit conflict when reporting here? Anyway, he has actually been permabanned twice :D --Brizth ^{M T} 08:36, 31 August 2006 (BST)

That'll teach him! :-P Cyberbob  Talk  08:37, 31 August 2006 (BST)

Ron Burgundy

Knows the current policy for danger reports but decided, after a recent news entry that said zombie numbers were well above Moderate and Safe, to change it to Safe. Ron Burgundy is no idiot and knows that 35 does not make it safe. --Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS DORIS Hunt!} 02:11, 31 August 2006 (BST)

Burgundy's own updated report pointed out the reasons for said change. Even if the report was wrong (and I have to say that it's hard coming from Ron), to call it vandalism just because you dissent with it and didn't even contest the report on his talk page or the suburb page is exagerating. You wuold have to be banned too because of your double standars when rating Ridleybank if you think this is vandalism Sonny. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^YRC☺T☺+1 02:55, 31 August 2006 (BST)

Disagreement with Sonny is vandalism. Didn't you get the memo?--∴Gage 03:18, 31 August 2006 (BST)

It is vandalism because he knows the policy. He knows what it is but instead decided to do what he wanted. Zombie players can't make a suburb Very Dangerous for a strafed suburb or a Mall falling but a survivor ignoring 35+ zombies is allowed? Va fangul. --Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS DORIS Hunt!} 03:23, 31 August 2006 (BST)

This is a game. Get over yourself. He made another report didn't he? ¡Vete a coger por el culo!--∴Gage 03:36, 31 August 2006 (BST)

No fucking shit it's a game Sherlock. Think of that one by yourself? (By the way, nice Spanish. I spoke in Italian though.) --Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS DORIS Hunt!} 03:43, 31 August 2006 (BST)

I was aware that it was Italian, but I am much more of a Spanish guy myself, I grew up in Texas :). --∴Gage 03:47, 31 August 2006 (BST)

Ah. I wasn't too sure if you knew it was Italian. Spanish and Italian are two very close Romance languages. --Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS DORIS Hunt!} 04:04, 31 August 2006 (BST)

In fact, that sentence was in Spanish, not Italian. I speak spanish as my first language and I can't understand Italian at all. I'm going for the pie.--Thari ^{TжFedCom is BFI!} 04:09, 31 August 2006 (BST)

Err...I cursed in Italian and then Gage replied in Spanish. I didn't know that he recognized what I said as Italian. Because they are similar I originally thought he thought it was Spanish. But it's all cool now. --Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS DORIS Hunt!} 04:24, 31 August 2006 (BST)

Gage, tu manda mais alguem aqui tomar no cu que eu te chuto pra fora daqui da wiki. Ok ? --overlord hagnat ^mod 04:25, 31 August 2006 (BST)

Hey, Gage told me in an IM that the spanish thing he said there had something to do with "Stick it up your ass" or something like that. --Axe Hack 04:30, 31 August 2006 (BST)

My translation would be "Go get yourself ass-fucked".--Thari ^{TжFedCom is BFI!} 04:34, 31 August 2006 (BST)

Both translations work fine for what gage said. --overlord hagnat ^mod 04:39, 31 August 2006 (BST)

Can you people use your talk pages for this kind of things that have nothing to do with the report? I'm just waiting for a mod's ruling, that's all. I didn't want to hear all kind of insults in languages that, in this particular case lamentably, I understand too well... --Matthew Fahrenheit ^YRC☺T☺+1 04:35, 31 August 2006 (BST)

Not vandalism. Sheesh, Matthew, cant we have some fun here ? Aparentemente não é a toa que brazuca reclama tanto de argentino ;) --overlord hagnat ^mod 04:39, 31 August 2006 (BST)

Ugh. Ugh. Ugh. Ok, no more portuguese (and Spanish, or Italian)... i dont want this wiki to start looking like Orkut and stuff. Brazil ruined that poor thing :(--overlord hagnat ^mod 04:40, 31 August 2006 (BST)

Ok, I autorize 5 min of fun starting from now. Do you have a multiple personality dissorder hagnat? --Matthew Fahrenheit ^YRC☺T☺+1 04:44, 31 August 2006 (BST)

5 minutes ? KHAN! I dont think i have MPD, i am more prone to have ADHD. --overlord hagnat ^mod 04:50, 31 August 2006 (BST)

Oi....Ne Men Hao Tao O! If you don't understand this english version of Chinesse too bad. --Axe Hack 04:59, 31 August 2006 (BST)

The archivar

Impersonation. Here's the link.--A1C Jerry^{ASS•PK•ASA•T} 10:21, 30 August 2006 (BST)

Warned. Cyberbob  Talk  10:24, 30 August 2006 (BST)

Leslie Brant

Recreated Leslie Brant on numerous occasions. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 08:27, 30 August 2006 (BST)

Warned. Cyberbob  Talk  10:19, 30 August 2006 (BST)

I don't mean to intrude on this ruling, but could someone please tell me what exactly the offense was in this case? The link is for a section I don't have privelages to. --Kiki Lottaboobs 14:23, 30 August 2006 (BST)

The offence was recreating Leslie Brant on numerous occasions. The most recent time was the fourth. This was recreating a page in violation of the rules on speedy deletion. Criterion 6 - Recreating a page with the same content, without going through M/U gets the user a polite warning the first time. Second time is considered vandalism. (From a policy that was recently approved.) Now, since he already had the polite informal warning, this time was vandalism. He created a criterion 9 (User page without the User: prefix) repeatedly. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 14:33, 30 August 2006 (BST)

Idiot vandal alts

Mmee

Banned by me. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 06:59, 30 August 2006 (BST)

Zxcv

Banned by me. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 06:59, 30 August 2006 (BST)

Booaaa

Banned by Brizth. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 06:34, 30 August 2006 (BST)

Aarg! I always get edit conflict when trying to report that here. --Brizth ^{M T} 06:35, 30 August 2006 (BST)

Sorry buddy, I'll leave it to you from here on if you'd prefer. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 06:36, 30 August 2006 (BST)

Nah, not a problem at all. --Brizth ^{M T} 06:38, 30 August 2006 (BST)

Akdkdj

Banned by Brizth. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 06:25, 30 August 2006 (BST)

Cant ip ban me lol!!!

same kind of shit--∴Gage 06:22, 30 August 2006 (BST)

Banned. Twice. --Brizth ^{M T} 06:23, 30 August 2006 (BST)

I got him first. ;) –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 06:24, 30 August 2006 (BST)

Or not. Stupid edit conflicts. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 06:24, 30 August 2006 (BST)

And I just woke up. Is there a better way to start a day :D --Brizth ^{M T} 06:27, 30 August 2006 (BST)

Never! :) –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 06:28, 30 August 2006 (BST)

A bothan Spy

Vandal alt, permabanned. IP range block? –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 06:14, 30 August 2006 (BST)

you edit conflicted me you bastard!--∴Gage 06:15, 30 August 2006 (BST)

Jabba da hutt

Vandal alt, permabanned. Requesting Bureaucrat IP range block. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 06:11, 30 August 2006 (BST)

Xdood

Vandal alt, permabanned. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 06:04, 30 August 2006 (BST)

Zilchova

Circumventing ban of Tundra. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 05:55, 30 August 2006 (BST)

-Warned. Xdood 06:00, 30 August 2006 (BST)

No, I don't think so. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 06:04, 30 August 2006 (BST)

Permabanned. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 06:06, 30 August 2006 (BST)

Tundra

Permabanned; vandal alt. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 05:37, 30 August 2006 (BST)

B freaking S, He was just using a proxy. I would like for you to prove your claim. Zilchova 05:42, 30 August 2006 (BST)

Ban this guy too ^--∴Gage 05:52, 30 August 2006 (BST)

By the way, Bold.--Thari ^{TжFedCom is BFI!} 05:54, 30 August 2006 (BST)

Range blocked for 2 weeks. We might get some legitimate users who suffer from that, but really, this is going beyond a joke now. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 07:09, 30 August 2006 (BST)

MrAushvitz

Impersonation. That's funny, I sure don't remember signing his little list. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 03:18, 30 August 2006 (BST)

I don't think this is vandalism: he just used your template instead of the normal [[User:BobHammero|Bob Hammero]], probably so it looks better. He called everyone by their name there too, and we don't call that vandalism. And it's pretty obvious that he made it not in any fashion of impersonation. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^YRC☺T☺+1 03:23, 30 August 2006 (BST)

Bob is just pissed off at him like everyone else.--∴Gage 03:24, 30 August 2006 (BST)

Justifiably so. It doesn't matter anyway. I reversed my decision on his previous case (see below), and not because he was an asshole to me, although that behavior certainly didn't endear him to me either. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 03:27, 30 August 2006 (BST)

NOT vandalism, anyway. Its under his user page, so he can do anything. Remember ? Just to make things clear. --overlord hagnat ^mod 03:51, 30 August 2006 (BST)

Hypothetically, can a user impersonate another user on their user page? Is that an exception? --Kiki Lottaboobs 14:27, 30 August 2006 (BST)

No, they can't. --Brizth ^{M T} 14:31, 30 August 2006 (BST)

Risk

Banned indefinitely. Alt of 3 Page/The Devil. Same IP as used for an edit under "Vaderman!", which is a confirmed alt of The Devil. No other edits under that IP address. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 02:49, 30 August 2006 (BST)

MrAushvitz

Under rule 12 of Making a Suggestion it says not to suggest more then 3 suggestions per day (a day being a 24 hour time period). Mr Aushvitz suggested not one, not two but four suggestions in a 24 hour time period. He has been warned for this previously.

• 1
• 2
• 3
• 4

--∴Gage 02:11, 30 August 2006 (BST)

I believe that the meaning of "one day" in this instance is not taken to mean 24 hour period, but literally on the same day. He made three suggestions on one day, and one the next day. Not vandalism. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 02:20, 30 August 2006 (BST)

There is a precedent here. 3 on one day, one less than 24 hours later.--∴Gage 02:25, 30 August 2006 (BST)

Thank you. Nevertheless, I am not required to act according to all precedent. The meaning of "a day" is available for interpretation, and my interpretation is the one I explained above. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 02:49, 30 August 2006 (BST)

After reconsideration, I have decided to reverse my decision and ban MrAushvitz for 1 week. Although I am not required to follow precedent, our authority is called into question each time we do not, and I can understand Xoid's reasoning for banning MrAushvitz before. I believe the wording of a "day" needs to be clarified for the future, however. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 03:24, 30 August 2006 (BST)

When I was new to this wiki and asked about that rule I was told the day was calculated from server reset. I agree that this rule is poorly defined. Heck I'm sure I've submitted 4 in one 24-hour period so if I had a witch-hunter like Gage after me I'd be banned too. However a new policy suggestions is going to pass which will restrict suggestions to 1-per-day. No confusion possible there. Rheingold 00:43, 31 August 2006 (BST)

MrAushvitz

impersonation of yours truly, again!----∴Gage 00:18, 30 August 2006 (BST)

Banned for 1 week. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 00:20, 30 August 2006 (BST)

You sure he did?--Canuhearmenow ^Hunt! 00:21, 30 August 2006 (BST)

Wait a second... Gage, he changed your name to his in the exact same minute that he "impersonated" you. That's close enough that I'm retracting this ban. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 00:23, 30 August 2006 (BST)

I stopped looking at the page after he did that.----∴Gage 00:25, 30 August 2006 (BST)

Of course you did. --overlord hagnat ^mod 03:52, 30 August 2006 (BST)

Gage

Removed a whole bunch of votes from a Policy Vote. – Nubis ^NWO 18:54, 29 August 2006 (BST)

WOW. I Don't remember doing that. What the hell happened?----∴Gage 22:15, 29 August 2006 (BST)

Okay, now I remember: I was changing my vote from "against" to "for" or something like that... I must have made a HUGE error in the copy and pasting... I am still not sure... wow... this was not in bad faith I can assure you. Someone fix it because I don't know what the hell I was thinking/doing when that happened.----∴Gage 22:17, 29 August 2006 (BST)

OKAY: I know EXACTLY what happened: I was looking at Bob's vandalism report here and then I clicked here on the diff comparison. I read his argument, so I wanted to vote as he did (against). So i clicked the "edit" button at the top, and then it edited the page (as it existed then). So thats what this whole deal was about. It esentially reverted itself to the edit in question and then I made an edit on top of that... so it got all messed up. I will be more careful next time, I just didn't know that would happen.----∴Gage 22:29, 29 August 2006 (BST)

Why are you being so defensive? Cyberbob  Talk  22:31, 29 August 2006 (BST)

sorry, did I come off that way?----∴Gage 22:35, 29 August 2006 (BST)

Well, five separate edits to your comment before I replied sure makes you look that way. Not to mention the two you've made after my first comment at the time of this one. Cyberbob  Talk  22:36, 29 August 2006 (BST)

Good point, mostly I was just trying to figure out what the heck was going on, and then once I did I had to figure out how to tell everyone in a way you would understand... it was a mess, sorry.----∴Gage 22:40, 29 August 2006 (BST)

That's OK. I was just a little curious, is all. Cyberbob  Talk  22:41, 29 August 2006 (BST)

Baaah.. Not vandalism. --Brizth ^{M T} 22:35, 29 August 2006 (BST)

A1C Jerry

Massive spam in order to promote some new anti-idiocy group. Cyberbob  Talk  10:09, 29 August 2006 (BST)

Warned.--The General ^{T Sys U! P! F!} 10:11, 29 August 2006 (BST)

Thanks for the understanding, General. --A1C Jerry^{ASS•PK•ASA•T} 10:27, 29 August 2006 (BST)

The irony is overwhelming... --Niilomaan ^{GRR!•Bob06!} 13:13, 29 August 2006 (BST)

If they're all on the talk page, what's the exact problem? --Ybbor^T 16:47, 29 August 2006 (BST)

What would happen if everyone trying to promote their group started doing it? There's a reason we have the Recruitment page, you know. Cyberbob  Talk  16:53, 29 August 2006 (BST)

The Warning still exists on the M/VD. Where would a user learn that this was inapproriate without digging through the VB Archives? --Max Grivas ^{JG,T,P!,Bob06!} 17:28, 29 August 2006 (BST)

Good question. I'll have to ask Bob to gin up a Policy regarding that (I'm horrible at policy-writing). It *is* a rule (there have been some pretty horrible precdents of spam), but I can't quite remember if they're written down somewhere or not. Cyberbob  Talk  17:34, 29 August 2006 (BST)

Um, no, there is no such rule. Yes, there has been some quote horrible cases of spam (Codename V, for example), but you won't find the any written rule concerning this. Anyway, General pulled the warning away, as seen in A1C Jerry's talk page. He probably forgot to notify about it here and remove it from vandal data. And so, poof! --Brizth ^{M T} 17:49, 29 August 2006 (BST)

Which is why I just said I should sic Bob on writing us one to deal with it. *rolls eyes* Cyberbob  Talk  17:51, 29 August 2006 (BST)

Yes, Bob the paranoid vandal, apparently. Just ask me to drum up any policy that you want shot down and me warned/banned about. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 23:55, 29 August 2006 (BST)

BobHammero

Arbitrarily moved properly-formatted comments from the vote page to the discussion page, on the basis that they were "exceedingly long clutter". Notwithstanding the fact that comments of similar length have been left unmoderated on other vote pages. --Centerfire 08:37, 29 August 2006 (BST)

Warned. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 08:46, 29 August 2006 (BST)

I contest your warning on the following grounds:

1. You say you warned me for removing his vote. However, I did not remove his vote; I simply moved his commentary to the talk page.
2. There is ample precedent for moving excessively long commentary to the talk page of a voting page.
3. His commentary was largely irrelevant, since it consisted in large part of ad hominem attacks, lies, and logical fallacies. For example, "There has been absolutely no showing that prejudicial vote fraud…is a real and significant problem" (a lie), "The proposal is evidently the product of Bob Hammero's paranoia" (a lie and an ad hominem attack), "[Bob has] spun a conspiracy theory about fraudulent votes" (a lie and an ad hominem attack), "[this policy is] aimed at a problem that exists only in the abstract" (a lie), "[the policy] is likely redundant in light of recent code changes to the wiki" (a lie), "Why are we voting on this at all?" (a logical fallacy).

–Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 23:53, 29 August 2006 (BST)

His vote included the reasoning. There is also ample precedent for leaving relevant commentary on the voting page. Even some irrelevant commentary for that matter. To counter your claims of lies and ad hominem attacks: there has been no proof that voting fraud is a real and significant problem. The only proof that it has been going on were two related cases, God and The Devil. Is this not the product of your paranoia, Bob? It's not like every second voter is sock puppet. The policy where you accused people of being sockpuppets was a contentious one, bringing out large numbers of people heavily aligned in either direction. The conspiracy theory? Ad hominem, I'll concede that. The policy is aimed at a problem which may not 'exist only in the abstract', but can certainly appear that way for the less cynical among us. The policy, though not redundant, would seem that way for the average voter. He can't be lying if he doesn't know any better Bob. If you are going to move a vote based purely on the fact that the voter made a few easy-to-miss errors in his logic, then heaven forbid when you reach the suggestions page. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 02:27, 30 August 2006 (BST)

When I reach the suggestions page? Yes, being such a newbie, I guess I have yet to discover that hidden part of the wiki. Did you even look at the length of his comment? It is far longer than any comment I have seen before. I didn't move it because I disagreed with it — if I were interested in doing that, wouldn't I have moved the tens of votes I received against other policies I've written? — I moved it because it was bloody long and largely attacks against me personally, thus not relevant to the policy. Let me remind you of the definition of vandalism, Xoid: an edit in bad faith. Do you believe my edit was in bad faith? It's your duty to prove that it was. Since I do not exactly have a history of moving votes that are against my policies, I doubt you will find that easy to do. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 02:30, 30 August 2006 (BST)

And to answer your question: no, it is not the product of my paranoia, because I am not paranoid. Hurr. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 02:31, 30 August 2006 (BST)

I was quite obviously being sarcastic, Bob. Yes, I did look at the length of his comment. It is shorter than or roughly equal length than various votes on the hate speech policy. I'm retracting the warning purely because I do not believe you did this in bad faith, but next time, should there be one, leave a link to the vote. I would prefer instead of moving votes, that you talked with the person in question in order to have them change their vote if it is irrelevant and invalid, or Re: to the vote itself. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 02:55, 30 August 2006 (BST)

I'd like to chime in, here. Has there been a showing that prejudicial vote fraud is a real and significant problem? Can Bob point to any vote of any significance in which the ultimate outcome has been swung by sockpuppets (not merely the vote totals, but the actual outcome)? If not, then I absolutely defy him to characterize my statements about the problem being unproven and abstract as lies. Additionally, I defy him to explain why his policy isn't redundant and unnecessary in light of the installation of Check User, inasmuch as he tacitly conceded that point here. Finally, I think there's adequate basis here, combined with his at first mistaken, but now flatly dishonest accusations of sockpuppetry towards myself and others, to suggest that the proposal lacked any rational basis (i.e., that it's the product of paranoia and conspiracy-mongering). Such a suggestion is hardly "ad hominem" by any rational definition of the term. As I said to Bob, if he considers my remarks unworthy of a response for whatever reason (whether he believes they're too long, too laden with lies and personal attacks, or too whatever), then he's perfectly free to ignore them, but I'm unaware of any wiki rule, policy, or guideline that entitles him (or anyone else) to arbitrarily move properly-formatted and on-topic vote comments off the vote page. If the length or the tone offended him, all he had to do was say something to me, and I would have happily modified them myself. --Centerfire 21:30, 30 August 2006 (BST)

Upon some further reflection, I think maybe this belongs in arbitration rather than vandal banning. Bob? --Centerfire 21:55, 30 August 2006 (BST)

I think this belongs to neither. If you haven't noticed already, the policy proposal was withdrawn by Bob. But if you really do want to continue the discussion, please don't use the vandal banning page. Some of us use it for spotting actual vandals and chatter/discussion/flaming/trolling/etc make it a bit hard. --Brizth ^{M T} 22:07, 30 August 2006 (BST)

I saw the withdrawals. I don't see how they're relevant to Bob's actions. But, noted and understood, w/r/t further discussion here. --Centerfire 22:53, 30 August 2006 (BST)

Tyler Whitney0

Removed news that he did not like because it stated everyone in a group in a certain building is dead. That would very bad morale for said group so said user covering it up would stop said morale from lowering. Don't you like saying "said"? --Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS DORIS Hunt!} 17:59, 28 August 2006 (BST)

Warned. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 18:24, 28 August 2006 (BST)

Liberator

Suspicion of voting fraud. Boy it would be cool if I could do this myself. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 05:55, 28 August 2006 (BST)

Unfortunately, Xoid already told me that his IP doesn't match anyone else's. He's probably 3page using a proxy. Cyberbob  Talk  06:04, 28 August 2006 (BST)

What are you guys talking about? What is voting fraud? Liberator 06:05, 28 August 2006 (BST)

It's that thing you're doing. You know how you're the guy we banned about a dozen times yesterday? Yeah, that. Now just admit that some retarded thirteen year old has his hand shoved up your cotton knit ass, sockpuppet, so that we can ban you again. Or you can wait for Xoid to ban all the proxies. Whatever fits your schedule. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 06:10, 28 August 2006 (BST)

This is fascism I say. JK, that website was funny. Liberator 06:15, 28 August 2006 (BST)

This user is the best example for this ever.--Thari ^{TжFedCom is BFI!} 06:09, 28 August 2006 (BST)

Maybe. He would be if he wasn't 3page. Since he is, I'd say he's a Lonely Guy. Cyberbob  Talk  06:25, 28 August 2006 (BST)

A witch! Can we burn him? --Paradox244 ^{W! TJ!} 02:24, 30 August 2006 (BST)

Pluto

Suspicion of voting fraud. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 23:03, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Well we have the IP checker now, so we can own his ass.--Gage 23:18, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Yeah. When a beaurecrat decides to come by. – Nubis ^NWO 23:20, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Sure would be nice if we could use it, wouldn't it Nubis? But no, the need for checking IPs is rare. So says Kevan, and so it must be true. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 23:24, 27 August 2006 (BST)

OH XOID! WHERE BE YE? ANSWER ME XOID!--Gage 23:46, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Hear that sound? Nice, isn't it? Yes, that's the sound of inaction. But don't blame Xoid. He wants us to be able to act. But it sure feels nice to sit here on my hands! On one hand, inaction, on the other, Moderator Misconduct. This is fun. Me? Bitter? Never. Hammero for Bureaucrat! –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 00:42, 28 August 2006 (BST)

Hey, guys. You recommend me trying out for Moderator? I have done quite a few things... And I voted Vouch for you Bob. I expect that Gold in a Basket soon.--Canuhearmenow ^Hunt! 00:46, 28 August 2006 (BST)

This is why I nominated you Bob.--Gage 00:47, 28 August 2006 (BST)

Gage, did you know what I could do to make that Project Mentor! Template look prettier? I'll give you some Gold...--Canuhearmenow ^Hunt! 00:49, 28 August 2006 (BST)

Come on, in his vote he signs as "Your Lord, God and planet, Pluto". It's Amazing, kill him.--Thari ^{TжFedCom is BFI!} 03:49, 28 August 2006 (BST)

Yeah, but it is Sonny who has been touting the whole "Pluto is in DORIS stuff"... it could be him, or it could someone trying to defame him.--Gage 03:52, 28 August 2006 (BST)

I don't know who it is but I think it's a DORIS member. Definitley isn't me. I'm already on thin ice. Doing this would be like me taking a sledgehammer to it. --Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS DORIS Hunt!} 03:55, 28 August 2006 (BST)

Pluto is Blooskull. Not vandalism. Make a note of it under M/VD for future reference. Case closed. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 04:05, 28 August 2006 (BST)

3 Meows

His reign of terror has ended. For the time being. Banned his IP. Same IP for them. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 18:08, 27 August 2006 (BST)

their reign of terror is over.--Gage 18:10, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Terrans

Alt of The Devil. Checkuser confirms it. Same IP, as well as the same IP for all. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 10:09, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Even better. He's 3 Page folks. I'm putting an IP block on right now. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 10:10, 27 August 2006 (BST)

The Devil was 3page? Holy shit! Cyberbob  Talk  10:11, 27 August 2006 (BST)

I knew it. "Angle", anybody? Hammero could tell too. Surprise, surprise. He doesn't seem to be Meow though. How odd. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 10:14, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Hah! Good call, Bob. --Jimbo Bob ^ASS•U! 10:14, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Wow, didn't expect that one. --Brizth ^{M T} 10:14, 27 August 2006 (BST)

I saw this one from the second The Devil appeared. His writing style was identical. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 19:36, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Devil = 3p? Holy crap! That explains the no positive thing. Thanks for the IP checker, Kevan! --Gold Blade ^Hunt! 22:39, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Tv car

Alt of The Devil. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 07:35, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Permabanned. Exact same writing style, account creation is no coincidence. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 07:36, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Hunk apple

Alt of The Devil. He admits it on this page.--Thari ^{S T F U} 07:29, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Permaban (proof). –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 07:32, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Arthas

See "Merlin" below, but replace "05:57" with "05:53." Given that Arthas' first edit was, again, on Vandal Banning, and the obvious connection between Arthas and Merlin, Arthas should be permabanned as well. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 07:24, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Banned. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 07:26, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Merlin

The Devil was banned at 05:47. At 05:57, the user Merlin made his very first edit, on Vandal Banning, to argue against the warning of another user. Since then, most of Merlin's edits have been on that same page. Merlin has the exact same writing style as The Devil: the use of a space between :s and his text (e.g., compare this to this); the same grammatical mistakes; the same random use of CAPITAL LETTERS and exclamation points!!!. I think it's quite clear that Merlin is a new alt of The Devil, and should be immediately banned. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 07:18, 27 August 2006 (BST)

The same goes to Arthas.--Thari ^{S T F U} 07:22, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Banned. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 07:27, 27 August 2006 (BST)

The Devil

He has admitted that he is a sockpuppet. How can we be sure that he hasn't already abused the voting system? This user has contributed nothing of substance, and should be banned. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 06:33, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Yeah I have done so before. I have "not" abused the voting system but to avoid this vb case I will gladly remove all of my votes if nessecary. The Devil 06:35, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Let's wait until you gain the CheckUser mystic power to unveil his identity.--Thari ^{S T F U} 06:37, 27 August 2006 (BST)

This is also not bad faith because I don't think I have done anything wrong and have shown that I am willing to correct any possible misinterpretations. The Devil 06:38, 27 August 2006 (BST)

What else have you done, hmm? How can we be sure? If you have nothing to hide, why don't you tell us who you really are? –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 06:40, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Ok, Mr Devil. I give you one chance to avoid being perma banned. Which is your main alt ? --overlord hagnat ^mod 06:41, 27 August 2006 (BST)

I don't want to because the drama that has gone on around this account would reflect VERY poorly on my main. Also can you explain why I must give away my main account. The Devil 06:43, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Ok I lied I don't have a main account I just said that to look better. The Devil 06:44, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Liar. Permabanned. --overlord hagnat ^mod 06:46, 27 August 2006 (BST)

All hail Hagnat! The witch is burned! –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 06:48, 27 August 2006 (BST)

I love the smell of a burnt witch in the mornin'.--Thari ^{S T F U} 06:48, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Someone ban the asshole now. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 06:45, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Mia Kristos

Impersonation. Diff comparision. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 05:40, 27 August 2006 (BST)

I don't think Mia noticed that he signed it. Not all people sign news updates on suburb pages. --Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS DORIS Hunt!} 05:59, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Editing another user's comments is impersonation, no matter how you look at it. Warned. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 06:16, 27 August 2006 (BST)

No, I didn't notice it, and if someone had pointed it out, I would have retracted the edit. Thanks for asking me about it before hand. --^(user)(talk) 06:49, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Fixed. Can you remove the warning now? --^(user)(talk) 06:55, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Thats not the way warnings work 'round here. Merlin 06:57, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Quiet you. Pay attention. The act wasn't vandalism in the first place. It was me not paying attention, and had someone pointed it out, I would have fixed it as I just did. Now lets all use our brains, hmm? Mia has been on the Wiki how long? Since about February? Sounds about right. In that time Mia has committed how many acts of vandalism? Anyone? Anyone? Try none. If I'd been a brand new user, I could see this. Maybe. Xoid, you ESSPECIALLY should have known better. --^(user)(talk) 07:01, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Its not bad faith, NO WARNING!!! Merlin 07:03, 27 August 2006 (BST)

OMG!!! EXCLAMATION POINT!!! NOT A MODERATOR!!! –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 07:04, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Am I supposed to believe you made a simple mistake when you call me an asshole in your edit summary? If you can explain to me how you read the entire comment and somehow missed the signature at the end, then I'll retract my warning. Otherwise, it stays, since you should know better. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 07:02, 27 August 2006 (BST)

I called Xoid an asshole. You were doing your job. And I didn't read the entire comment. I read up to that point, saw it was wrong, and removed it. --^(user)(talk) 07:04, 27 August 2006 (BST)

common mistake, could happen to anyone. Merlin 07:06, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Will you shut the fuck up, since you're not a moderator? –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 07:07, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Is it against the rules to give my insite on these cases? I think your an elietist. Merlin 07:09, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Merlin, thanks for the attempt, sweety, but even I think you're being a little bossy. I can defend myself just fine, so don't bother yourself with it. Bob, how about it? --^(user)(talk) 07:11, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Merlin, it is against the rules for you to create an account after The Devil was banned and obstruct the Vandal Banning process. Don't think I don't know who you are. Just wait, asshole. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 07:13, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Do you know who I am? I don't think you do. Merlin 07:16, 27 August 2006 (BST)

I think that I will hunt down and ban every one of your alts, and then your main account. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 07:20, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Stop edit conflicting me, arsehole. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 07:23, 27 August 2006 (BST)

You're the juggernaut, bitch. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 07:23, 27 August 2006 (BST)

No... he's the juggernaut's bitch. --Darth Sensitive ^C•T•W! 14:29, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Main? Yeah I was right bob, you really DONT know who I am.Hunk apple 07:27, 27 August 2006 (BST)

What? Calling me an asshole? Of course it is. A large percentage of the 'net can't spell arsehole correctly. :P –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 07:23, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Mia, I just report. I like you. I think the other guy is a dick. I cannot honestly see myself being objective in that case so I left it up to other moderators. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 07:23, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Mia, I am retracting your warning, because your explanation is reasonable. Please be sure to be more careful in the future. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 07:11, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Will do. Thanks --^(user)(talk) 07:11, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Several Users

Gage, CaptainM, Axe Hack, Gold Blade. For this. and this. I think that to laugh at someone who cant fight back is a shameful act, and that these users should be warned for their actions. Their edits were made in very poor faith, whitout any kind of way to improve the wiki --overlord hagnat ^mod 04:57, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Ugh. Although their childlike shit-throwing makes me nauseous, I don't think we can actually do anything, since there is ample precedent for talk pages being sacrosanct. Now, maybe someone could hold them accountable on arbitration, but I don't see how harassing him on his talk page can be considered vandalism. I would be open to other moderators thoughts on this, though. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 05:09, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Wait I thought the way arbitration works was that both parties had to accept it? So wouldn't that not work either? The Devil 05:12, 27 August 2006 (BST)

No. Read the rules on M/A. If I wanted, I could drag you into arbitration, even if you didn't want it. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 05:22, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Not nessecarely, What if I said that I would only accept myself/my friend who would rule in my favor, as an arbitrator. The Devil 05:31, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Then a moderator would pick an arbitrator for you, and you might be in even more trouble than if you had picked someone reasonable in the first place. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 05:34, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Dang it! Arbitration is stupid. The Devil 05:36, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Yeah, how dare we have a system that you can't screw with. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 05:39, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Nope, just the whole system. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 05:40, 27 August 2006 (BST)

No..... only someone who doesn't have a mod insider account wouldn't be able to screw with the arbitration system. The Devil 05:57, 27 August 2006 (BST)

And that's why moderators are democratically elected. Because we're trusted not to abuse our power. And we don't. That's why you'd never become a moderator here. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 06:11, 27 August 2006 (BST)

What I meant in my previous comment is that I already was democratically elected. (this is an alt account you know) The Devil 06:14, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Seriously, though. There needs to be some major changes made to policy regarding this kind of bullshit. Cyberbob  Talk  06:29, 27 August 2006 (BST)

your right. Arthas 06:53, 27 August 2006 (BST)

your baned lol. Cyberbob  Talk  08:55, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Suspected Sockpuppet

I was told that M/VB was the appropriate place to voice concerns about suspected sockpuppet votes. Instead of flooding this page with different entries for each potential non-contributing author, I will lay them out in a more compact format. I will ammend this format if needed or requested.

• Centerfire voted against the Hate Speech Legislation (#6). His only other edit was to do open the edit window on his discussion page and then save it without making any changes.
  • Centerfire has been a reader and occasional-contributor since late 2005-ish, who went on extended hiatus from about March through just recently because he's a law student who was busy preparing for the California FYLSX in June. He's back, now, and hasn't the faintest idea why his posting history has disappeared into the bit-bucket. --Centerfire 10:18, 27 August 2006 (BST)
    • He should also be looking at why, exactly, he's referring to himself in the third person. Cyberbob  Talk  10:19, 27 August 2006 (BST)
      • Going with the flow, man. --Centerfire 10:53, 27 August 2006 (BST)
    • The edit history was purged in late March (I think) to save space and database (or something). But yes, you are not sockpuppet, quick search will confirm that. But some (most? all?) of these others don't have such a defense --Brizth ^{M T} 10:25, 27 August 2006 (BST)
• Zoift voted against the Hate Speech Legislation (#12). This has been his only edit.
• RivCA voted against the Hate Speech Legislation (#16). This has been his only edit.
• JoeHunt voted against the Hate Speech Legislation (#25). He has made a total of 3 edits, each with tremendous space between them, and all of questionable function - you decide.
• Fartey voted against the Hate Speech Legislation (#28). This user has spent his entire wiki existance exclusively voting for policy (4 posts). His first vote was against Criterion 6 and all other edits were made on Hate Speech Policy.
• Neurotrashed voted against the Hate Speech Legislation (#35). This user has made 2 edits this policy and his user page.
• Some guy voted against the Hate Speech Legislation (#37). His sole participation has been on this policy page
• ChrisLe voted for the Hate Speech Legislation (#37). This has been his only edit.

I went through the votes and found these anomolies. Since there is a policy discussion underway to formalize who's votes count, I am not sure if there is a strict policy at this time. I offer these candidates for discussion and striking of appropriate votes. --Kiki Lottaboobs 01:03, 27 August 2006 (BST)

I agree with you on every single count, and you've pointed to exactly the reason that I started the policy about voting eligibility, and the exact reason that we have asked Kevan over and over again to install the CheckUser extension. Here is the sad part: until he hears our pleas, there is nothing that we can do. Absolutely nothing. If you don't mind spending five minutes more, would you please go ask Kevan to install CheckUser for the mods? It's the only way we can do anything, and he just doesn't listen when we tell him. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 01:22, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Should/can we suspend voting until this is installed, or is there nothing we can do to promote legitimate voting in the interim? --Kiki Lottaboobs 01:28, 27 August 2006 (BST)

The only real way we could suspend voting would be to put through a policy to stop it... isn't that ironic? It's because, under the current moderator rules, we're bound to "able to do anything explicitly allowed, not able to do anything else." In other words, we have no right to make judgement calls that fall outside of the guidelines. (This is the point I was going over with you before.) As far as promoting legitimate voting... ask people to please not abuse the system? And we see how well that's worked thus far. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 01:32, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Yeah let's throw out peoples vote on suspicion alone because you don't like their point of view. Noticed you didn't post any one who voted for. Odd that.Jjames 01:34, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Jjames, post in the middle of one of my comments again and I will report you for impersonation. Quite a strange mistake to make. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 01:35, 27 August 2006 (BST)

There aren't strange votes voting "for". Odd that.--Thari ^{S T F U} 01:38, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Isn't it though? It's almost as though... someone is trying to deliberately make the voting fail! It would almost be like if someone was willing to abuse the system to push their agenda through! It could almost be as though if someone was trying to falsify dissent that wasn't there! But that would never happen. No way. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 01:43, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Consider two alternate hypotheses: (1) There is a shadow conspiracy afoot to influence the outcome of a vote through the use of multiple throwaway accounts; or (2) A particular policy suggestion is sufficiently contentious that it brought lurkers out of the woodwork. Now apply Occam's Razor. --Centerfire 10:27, 27 August 2006 (BST)

It doesn't need conspiracy, only one user. And considering the amount of time people use for pure vandalism (page mover, 3pwv...) I think it's very easy to see people spending their time creating throw-away accounts. --Brizth ^{M T} 10:31, 27 August 2006 (BST)

I remain unpersuaded. The subject matter is contentious. The front page of the Wiki invites "all users" to vote. Simpler explanations generally being better explanations, I'm inclined to believe that this, and not a dedicated vandal (or vandals) with a burr up his ass (or their asses), accounts for these votes. Might I be wrong? Sure. But I think it's incumbent on those who are claiming that sockpuppet vandalism proves the need for an eligible voter policy to actually establish to a reasonable certainty that sockpuppet vandalism is in fact occurring, and is in fact prejudicially influencing votes. --Centerfire 11:02, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Jjames, I did post one user who I thought was suspicious in the for category. "ChrisLe voted for the Hate Speech Legislation (#37). This has been his only edit." Admittedly, I checked the against votes first, but when I was done I felt it would be unfair to cover only one side of the issue, so I checked the for votes, too. I did find only one, but you're welcome to check again and see if I missed any. --Kiki Lottaboobs 02:59, 27 August 2006 (BST)

What I'd do is strike the votes based on the fact that they are obviously sockpuppets. Then if one of these accounts actually starts to contribute and proves that he is not a sockpuppet AND complains about his vote being struck then you should unstrike the vote. The Devil 04:31, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Yes, of course that's what you'd do. Of course, you're not a moderator, so you wouldn't be sent immediately to Misconduct. Look, everyone: if you care about this issue, tell Kevan to install the CheckUser extension. That's the best way we could use you. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 05:06, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Kevan said in his Talk Page: svn.wikimedia.org seems to be down at the moment, but I'll look into installing these when I can, starting with the CheckUser one. --Kevan 04:50, 27 August 2006 (BST).--Thari ^{S T F U} 05:09, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Even if I WAS a moderator who would send me to MM? The abandoned sockpuppets? And the if I was then I would claim good faith because I thought they were obviously sockpuppets. See? Its a no lose situation. The Devil 05:11, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Don't worry. There's always some idiot trying to make a name for themselves (*cough*Zod*cough*) by bringing mods down. Cyberbob  Talk  06:26, 27 August 2006 (BST)

None are alts. Check User confirms. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 10:28, 27 August 2006 (BST)

MrAushvitz

impersonation of me--Gage 22:02, 26 August 2006 (BST)

Banned for 48 hours. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 22:24, 26 August 2006 (BST)

I got him first. Then my browser crashed... :p --Brizth ^{M T} 22:26, 26 August 2006 (BST)

Damn. Well, at least he's banned twice as hard now. That'll teach him! ;) –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 22:27, 26 August 2006 (BST)

The witch has been burned. No more shitty suggestions for the next 48 hours or more!--Gage 22:34, 26 August 2006 (BST)

User:Fuck your couch nigger

Several moves and edits (Sorry no diff) [1] it all edits. --Max Grivas ^JG,T,P! 19:37, 26 August 2006 (BST)

No mods are on. Shame. --Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS DORIS Hunt!} 19:42, 26 August 2006 (BST)

dang you guys got to it first. The Devil 19:43, 26 August 2006 (BST)

yet it is all back to normal thanks to me

how do you put that unsigned thing on thers comments The Devil 19:50, 26 August 2006 (BST)

Permabanned. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 19:50, 26 August 2006 (BST)

Sesheta

His only contributions were voting "delete" on the burn wiki witches thing on the deletions page. Voting fraud!!! The Devil 18:17, 26 August 2006 (BST)

Not vandalism unless you can show that the user is a sockpuppet or a vandal. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 18:36, 26 August 2006 (BST)

Who makes their first edit on the deletion page?--Gage 19:33, 26 August 2006 (BST)

Sockpuppets do.--Thari ^{S T F U} 22:10, 26 August 2006 (BST)

C138

Removed part of another user's comment from Grigg Heights' talk page. Cyberbob  Talk  14:44, 26 August 2006 (BST)

Warned. – Nubis 15:12, 26 August 2006 (BST)

Jackson 5

Impersonation. Diff comparision. –Xoid ^M•T•FU! 03:58, 26 August 2006 (BST)

Isnt he just one of those ce**oring morons? How is it impersonation? --Gold Blade ^Hunt! 04:01, 26 August 2006 (BST)

Warned. This has been done before. Cyberbob  Talk  04:04, 26 August 2006 (BST)

Lukeman!

Voted "keep" on Speedy Deletions to preserve a set of broken redirects, then affirmed to Nubis that he was a sockpuppet. I also find it intriguing that The Devil voted keep on another page with exactly the same style of voting ("-keep"). I suggest a permanent ban of Lukeman!, since he has affirmed that he is a sockpuppet, has made no contributions other than to vote keep, and since no reasonable person would possibly vote keep on broken redirects in good faith. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•T•A•C•B!} 02:15, 26 August 2006 (BST)

Banned. – Nubis 02:19, 26 August 2006 (BST)

Not a sockpuppet, a Meatpuppet. --Gold Blade ^Hunt! 02:26, 26 August 2006 (BST)

Robert Charland and Punisher206

Vandalized the Knights of the Apocalypse page: http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Knights_of_the_Apocalypse with childish, sexually based comments on 14 separate occasions between the 14th of August and the 25th of August of this year. I don't even know these guys. Guess I must of PKed them. --Headless gunner 21:23, 25 August 2006 (BST)

Please provide diff links to the vandalism. Thanks. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•T•A•C•B!} 22:54, 25 August 2006 (BST)

No need, I already checked them. --Brizth ^{M T} 23:39, 25 August 2006 (BST)

Warned both of them. --Brizth ^{M T} 23:39, 25 August 2006 (BST)

Apparently someone didn't like that and decided to further vandalise Knights of the Apocalypse page via new account: User:Lol_erZZZZ. Permabanned. --Brizth ^{M T} 00:18, 26 August 2006 (BST)

Thanks for your help with this guys, however, I think I am now victim to a new version of what we have all come to know as "the Stallones". This looks like their type of juvenile work. I think my support of the Creedy Defense Force in finding out who they are has made me a target as well. I notice they haven't messed with the PKer Alliance board, just mine. PKA did not endorse my assistance in the Stallone hunt. I wouldn't be surprise if it happens again from a new account.--Headless gunner 01:07, 26 August 2006 (BST)

You keep reporting and we'll keep banning. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•T•A•C•B!} 02:22, 26 August 2006 (BST)

This was brought to my attention via the CDF boards. Headless Hunter, Stallone has nothing to do with your page(s) being vandalized. In fact we support the PKA and KotA. We think it is a wonderful idea. The Stallones do three things, PK, GK and zerg. You may not like that but we do it and do it proudly. Furthermore, we only harrass the CDF. They are our target. We have no interest in any other group. Sometimes bystandards get hurt in our process to destroy the CDF, such as the recent Fort Creedy wipe that was orchestrated by a zombie stallone army of 15 and one human stallone named SensitiveStallone who brought down the barricades and ushered all of the stallone zombies in. And lets not forget about the Stallone feeding groans that brought all of the other zombies to the stallone party. Your vandal lies elsewhere. You can blame stallone if it will make you feel better but you wont get to the bottom of it that way. Stallone has no problem with you. --Stallone 09:23, 27 August 2006 (BST)

A Bothan Spy

Made comments on M/VB (21:17, 24 August 2006) and then, the following day erased his previous comments and made different comments without note of his edit (07:02, 25 August 2006). --Kiki Lottaboobs 13:36, 25 August 2006 (BST)

This would only matter if someone had already made a reply to it. Nice try, though Kiki. Keep it up and, in a few months or so, you just might finally get me in actual trouble. Cyberbob  Talk  13:39, 25 August 2006 (BST)

Bad taste? Yes, Vandalism? No. No one had replied to it or ruled based off it so I don't see any issue with it as Cyberbob has said for those reasons. - Jedaz 13:40, 25 August 2006 (BST)

Does this mean that you can delete your comment completely? Once you make a comment, it should stand, and only formatting, spelling corrections and signature insertions should be allowed. Just because no one replied doesn't mean that no one read it. Does this mean that users can go back and re-write any comments they made at the end of any conversation on the wiki? --Kiki Lottaboobs 13:53, 25 August 2006 (BST)

Pretty much. Cyberbob  Talk  13:55, 25 August 2006 (BST)

I say yes on the condition that no one has relpied to it. Although it is in very bad taste to do so, people will however notice and therefore think about you differently if you do it on a regular basis. (I keep getting edit conflicts from you cyberbob, argh!)- Jedaz 13:59, 25 August 2006 (BST)

Heh, sorry. I think that the degree of bad taste involved in editing one's comments is directly related to how long it's been there for. Cyberbob  Talk  14:01, 25 August 2006 (BST)

True. Anyway since we are all clear on this the conversation stops here so we don't clutter up this page. If you have any more inquiries Kiki Lottaboobs you can take it to my talk page. - Jedaz 14:03, 25 August 2006 (BST)

Report status: SHUT DOWNCyberbob  Talk  13:49, 25 August 2006 (BST)

Cut it out, this is not the place for this. - Jedaz 13:51, 25 August 2006 (BST)

Sure it is. I was simply clearing up any potential misinterpretations of your verdict, is all. Cyberbob  Talk  13:55, 25 August 2006 (BST)

No, Cyberbob, he's right. You have been attacking Kiki over and over again, and while you are free to do that on user pages, this isn't the place to continue it. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•T•A•C•B!} 20:14, 25 August 2006 (BST)

Get these muthafuckin' blink tags off my muthafuckin' wiki. – Nubis 21:32, 25 August 2006 (BST)

A Bothan Spy

During a conversation started by this user on my talk page (which he endearingly entitled "Suck shit"), I requested that this user not post anymore on a given topic on my user talk page (I did not feel that his flames, nor arguments added anything to said discussion). This user ignored that first warning and posted a second time (evidenced clearly on the first link). I responded, and again told this user not to continue with this discussion, that I would report any additional spamming as vandalism. After posting this second warning, the user again posted on the topic. This user was given 2 polite warnings to back out of this conversations on my user talk page, both of which he ignored. --Kiki Lottaboobs 12:41, 24 August 2006 (BST)

Unfortunately Kiki, there is precedent blocking M/VB from taking action in this sort of matter. If you don't want him posting there, place the drama llama template (if you haven't already), if he continues, take it to arbitration. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 12:45, 24 August 2006 (BST)

Sounds like somebody's smarting from the hiding I gave them... Cyberbob  Talk  12:48, 24 August 2006 (BST)

You make me giggle. --Kiki Lottaboobs 13:06, 24 August 2006 (BST)

How appropriate. You fight like a cow. Cyberbob  Talk  08:02, 25 August 2006 (BST)

Tito

Alt account of Amazing, created to circumvent a ban. Account has been banned.

As was the case with God, Tito has been accessing the wiki from the exact same IP address as Amazing's primary in-game character, consistently over a number of days. (These IP addresses have changed frequently whenever Amazing has reconnected to his ISP, and Tito has followed each change, often making wiki edits a couple of minutes either side of Amazing taking a game action from the same IP.) The Tito account was created in the final few hours of God's existence, and became active as soon as God had been banned. --Kevan 05:38, 24 August 2006 (BST)

I vote we give Amazing a second life sentence, just in case of reincarnation.--Gage 05:44, 24 August 2006 (BST)

All hail Kevan! –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 05:46, 24 August 2006 (BST)

Hail to the king.--Thari ^{S T F U} 05:47, 24 August 2006 (BST)

I ban hammered him, but was in the process of protecting pages, so I'm the forth to say "fuck", despite seeing it first. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 05:48, 24 August 2006 (BST)

I actually didn't think that was him. lol. The Devil 05:53, 24 August 2006 (BST)

I'm fucking shell shocked to be honest. I still can't believe it. He was quite good at masking himself. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 05:56, 24 August 2006 (BST)

Luckily for you, we all still think you are.--Gage 05:57, 24 August 2006 (BST)

Please tell me that you meant to reply to The Devil and not Xoid. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 06:00, 24 August 2006 (BST)

If I was then this account would have been caught up in the same slip up that Amazing did with Tito. I would have got banned because my ip would have been the same as Amazing's (these bans have been going around a bit lately?). I think you overestimate Amazing to much to think he would create such complicated plot (for example do you think he expected this ip looked whitch I don't think has happened before). The Devil 06:10, 24 August 2006 (BST)

You may be right. Amazing seemed smarter than you anway. Yes, I think Kevan would have "looked" your IP. Totally.--Gage 06:27, 24 August 2006 (BST)

I don't know, I'v been going on the scroll wars wiki and talking with Amazing and I'm starting to doubt that Tito and god were his. He's thinking that God was created to defame him (get him perma-banned) and tito was going to be that guy's main (probably did not expect that one to be banned) The Devil 06:51, 24 August 2006 (BST)

Wow. That was a pretty good job he did there. --Gold Blade ^Hunt! 19:42, 24 August 2006 (BST)

Ok I got some stuff to say about this whole Amazing/God situation. First I'v been talking to him on the scroll wars wiki and hes claiming that he was neither Tito nor God (he still is for that matter even though it does not matter much anymore because everyone is so convinced that he is). He thinks that the god account was purposefully created to look like him and defame him (ie getting him perma-banned) while the tito account was going to be the main account of that person.

For all intensive purposes of my next point lets say that he is lying and he was indead tito and God. So Kevan told us that Amazing has a chaning ip adress right? So there is absolutly nothing from stopping him from coming back. And furthing more since Kevan gave us such a detailed amount of info about how he was caught (quite stupidly in my opinion, no offense Kevan, lol) Amazing is not going to be caught up in the same slip up again (he will just not log in wiht the same ip adress in game as with his wwiki account).

So basically those bans acomplished nothing whether or not those account were Amazing or not. Therefore since Amazing can easily come back and there is ALMOST ABOSOLUTLY NO WAY WE CAN STOP HIM (not even with the ip thing like I explained before). I would actually sugest UNbanning God and Tito on the offchance that they are in fact someone other than amazing. This may seem crazy but logically if we don't find another way to catch Amazing (SINCE KEVAN TOLD HIM HOW HE CAUGHT AMAZING) this makes perfect sense. The Devil 19:50, 24 August 2006 (BST)

You're right, that does sound crazy. And stupid. Just like you! –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 20:31, 24 August 2006 (BST)

Fucking bullshit. Amazing has no reputation to uphold. Why bother to defame him? I say we should just put an IP range block on Bell South. Fuck N. Carolina. Better yet, lets write his ISP. I'm sure they'll be willing to accomodate. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 09:37, 25 August 2006 (BST)

Hey slow down on the Carolina thing we are not all that far flung. Go ahead and screw BellSouth a couple times for me they are jerks. --Max Grivas ^JG,T,P! 09:51, 25 August 2006 (BST)

Their whois data gave the impression they were responsible for a good chunk of N. Carolina, (hence "Fuck N. Carolina."). It'd be a very wide block, but I won't do it. It was more of a "kill 'em all and let Kevan sort 'em out" sorta comment. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 11:56, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Everyone, The Devil is not Amazing. Kevan confirmed that via email yesterday. Cyberbob  Talk  07:01, 24 August 2006 (BST)

GOOD!, now I don't have to tread so carefully anymore! The Devil 07:03, 24 August 2006 (BST)

It could be argued that Amazing is indeed The Devil, just not the fake one we have on the wiki. ;) --Paradox244 ^{W! TJ!} 20:30, 25 August 2006 (BST)

Someone's asked if I'd possibly made a mistake and matched his IP to one of the "Amaz1ng" type vandals, but no, it was the original "Amazing" account. --Kevan 11:40, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Typheron

Vandalized some dude's page. --Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS DORIS Hunt!} 00:18, 24 August 2006 (BST)

Just a newbie/n00b, probably. I moved the message to talk page and told the user about the correct way to message. --Brizth ^{M T} 00:29, 24 August 2006 (BST)

Oh. I didn't realize he meant to put that on the talk page. My bad. --Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS DORIS Hunt!} 00:31, 24 August 2006 (BST)

The Devil

Is obviously Amazing. Did the same thing God did when he was caught as Amazing. Drama Llama, went right for Vandal Banning page, used the same things that God did. It's Amazing. --Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS DORIS Hunt!} 19:04, 23 August 2006 (BST)

I totally agree, May I burn him?--Canuhearmenow ^Hunt! 19:05, 23 August 2006 (BST)

The witch made us believe him!

	Start your torches and pitchforks!
	We found a witch! We must burn the witch before it escapes!

Burn the freaking witch again! --Gold Blade ^Hunt! 19:08, 23 August 2006 (BST)

I lived through a burning once, I'm sure I could do it again (I the freaking devil man! Fire doesn't really do much ya dig?) The Devil 19:16, 23 August 2006 (BST)

Sadly i already reported him for bannage, so if i ban him now there will be SOMEONE putting me for misconduct, and i am not in the mood for that page again. --hagnat ^mod 19:19, 23 August 2006 (BST) BURN THE WITCH!!!!

Most likely another Amazing alt account with only one edit. lolz. – Nubis ^NWO 19:21, 23 August 2006 (BST)

Two things: first, can people who aren't involved in the vandal banning process please stop spamming this page? The "burn the witch" joke is no longer funny, and I'm tired of reading lots of unrelated shit to get to the main part of each case. Secondly, Sonny, we don't have nearly enough evidence for that, so no warnings or bans will be issued. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 19:26, 23 August 2006 (BST)

Wait a sec, so lets say there was(theroretically because I am not amazing, really) only half the evidence that I was amazing, would I only get a warning for resembling an alt account of a banned user? The Devil 19:49, 23 August 2006 (BST)

Keep imitating him and find out. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 20:56, 23 August 2006 (BST)

tito

Tito the Mummy called me devilmazing (on this very page) which is degeneratory and hate speech as it is implying that I The Devil am Amazing. This is because Amazing (by all technical definitions) is a vandle who has been permabanned from this wiki and is not very well viewed by the community. The Devil 18:53, 23 August 2006 (BST)

But you are Amazing. --Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS DORIS Hunt!} 18:56, 23 August 2006 (BST)

Agree with Sonny, May I burn the Witch?--Canuhearmenow ^Hunt! 18:58, 23 August 2006 (BST)

You can burn THIS Witch. The Devil 19:03, 23 August 2006 (BST)

Sorry, he wears Asbestos clothing, non-flammable, sorry.--Canuhearmenow ^Hunt! 19:01, 23 August 2006 (BST)

I can't see where he called you that, nor can I see any basis of this. Look at how many people also think you were/are amazing. --Gold Blade ^Hunt! 19:03, 23 August 2006 (BST)

I'll go get the Fire Wood...--Canuhearmenow ^Hunt! 19:05, 23 August 2006 (BST)

Its under farty second to last (not sure how to link to that) The Devil 19:06, 23 August 2006 (BST)

jigga what? I was kidding. -- Tito the Mummy ^{Hunt! Bash!} 19:07, 23 August 2006 (BST)

You were? Ok then, VB case retracted (if I can do that). The Devil 19:09, 23 August 2006 (BST)

Okay thank you Im sorry I called you that I dont even think ur him. I thought u were the angle of wrath but Im not saying you are just that I didnt think you wear him really. -- Tito the Mummy ^{Hunt! Bash!} 19:18, 23 August 2006 (BST)

Thats ok, I just wanted to put a stop to the whole amazing witch hunters on me and you were the most recent person to call me amazing. The Devil 19:22, 23 August 2006 (BST)

This is not an "offense" for Vandal Banning. Take it to arbitration. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 19:24, 23 August 2006 (BST)

Asheets

Impersonation of colonel al. --Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS DORIS Hunt!} 15:48, 23 August 2006 (BST)

Not impersonation, but a n00bie unfamiliar with how he should sign. "colonel al" is his character. I'll have a word with him. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 16:01, 23 August 2006 (BST)

Fartey

Used purely to vote on two policies, has no other contributions beyond that. Methinks I smell a rat. Electoral fraud style rat. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 14:55, 23 August 2006 (BST)

I'd say this is an clear cut case of multi-account abuse, but I'm too chicken to do anything without someone else's opinion ;-) Cyberbob  Talk  14:59, 23 August 2006 (BST)

This is the problem is a democratic system. I say we adopt a Totalitarian Oligarchy with a weak Republic Senate. --Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS DORIS Hunt!} 15:00, 23 August 2006 (BST)

Stupid multi-accounts. --Gold Blade ^Hunt! 17:39, 23 August 2006 (BST)

I would say to burn the witch but i think fartey might have too much methain. -- Tito the Mummy ^{Hunt! Bash!} 18:32, 23 August 2006 (BST)

Satan would say to burn now (unban if he makes another account and brings to misconduct or something) and then wait until the new software comes out, then warn the perpetrator. The Devil 18:36, 23 August 2006 (BST)

Agree with Tito, must "Deflate" first. Anyone got a needle?--Canuhearmenow ^Hunt! 18:37, 23 August 2006 (BST)

I think devilmazing has a pitchfork!! :D -- Tito the Mummy ^{Hunt! Bash!} 18:44, 23 August 2006 (BST)

Ok thats it I'm putting a stop to this, sucks that it happened to be you I chose tito. The Devil 18:48, 23 August 2006 (BST)

Oh sure pick on the one who cant ban u. lol i was kidding man -- Tito the Mummy ^{Hunt! Bash!} 19:09, 23 August 2006 (BST)

I don't think we can ban someone just for voting, unfortunately. That's why we need the IP checker extension. The votes are, however, not in the right format, and will be struck. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 19:22, 23 August 2006 (BST)

Search

Placed ad content on defunct group page. Its a couple of months old but still exists. --Max Grivas ^JG,T,P! 03:51, 23 August 2006 (BST)

At least remove the ads... --Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS DORIS Hunt!} 03:54, 23 August 2006 (BST)

I got an edit conflict with you trying to do just that. --Max Grivas ^JG,T,P! 03:58, 23 August 2006 (BST)

And I'll even snipe you on eBay. --Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS DORIS Hunt!} 04:01, 23 August 2006 (BST)

Permabanned (adbot). –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 05:09, 23 August 2006 (BST)

Three Meows!

Wuuups here we go again people just check recent changes, or shold I link it? -- Tito the Mummy ^{Hunt! Bash!} 00:55, 23 August 2006 (BST)

Permabanned. --Brizth ^{M T} 00:58, 23 August 2006 (BST)

I BURNED A WITCH!!!! -- Tito the Mummy ^{Hunt! Bash!} 01:03, 23 August 2006 (BST)

John Taggart

Broke the policy of no content outside of the regular area by placing "UNIT is watching" a fine piece of original work that no one has ever thought of before. 00:28, 23 August 2006 (BST) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Saromu (talk • contribs) .

He had placed that text there well before the policy discussion even started. So obviously not vandalism. I removed the text though. --Brizth ^{M T} 00:39, 23 August 2006 (BST)

People had 2 weeks to remove said text. He obviously felt he was too good to read the polcy --Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS DORIS Hunt!} 01:20, 23 August 2006 (BST)

Hoomg

Vandalized the Dartside Whiners page twice, here and here. --V2Blast ^{T•P!•C•SR} 00:23, 23 August 2006 (BST)

Permabanned. He has no edits except those two, both vandalism (and seriously wiki-stressing). Although he probably wasn't going to post anyway since it's a week since he posted those. --Brizth ^{M T} 00:30, 23 August 2006 (BST)

What the hell??

Permanently banned for once again circumventing his account ban. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 18:31, 22 August 2006 (BST)

Uh did you check the recent additions to the VB page? I'm not banned any more. Not that I care if you ban that account, just don't want you going around banning THIS account. The Devil 18:35, 22 August 2006 (BST)

Yes, I checked, and I am still going to enforce the rules against your circumventing your original ban. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 18:37, 22 August 2006 (BST)

OK then could you remove The Devil from the perma-banned part of the VB page? The Devil 18:39, 22 August 2006 (BST)

Done. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 18:49, 22 August 2006 (BST)

My head hiurts now. - Tito the Mummy ^Hunt! 18:49, 22 August 2006 (BST)

Obviously, you need to burn more witches. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 18:49, 22 August 2006 (BST)

BURN THE WITCH! --Gold Blade ^Hunt! 19:43, 22 August 2006 (BST)

Gonna buy a flamethrower for maximum witch burning at one time. -- Tito the Mummy ^{Hunt! Bash!} 21:48, 22 August 2006 (BST)

Zeus

Alt account of a banned user. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS DORIS Hunt!} 05:36, 22 August 2006 (BST)

	Burn Her! She's a Witch!
	This user is on a witch hunt and will burn any witch they find.

- Tito 05:38, 22 August 2006 (BST)

That was because my other account was made suppoebly \\\\\\\"only for bad intent\\\\\\\", (even though there is no rule against that as it did not do anything wrong), but they did not mean that I could not make an account for only good intent. Zeus 05:41, 22 August 2006 (BST)

Quiet witch! Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS DORIS Hunt!} 05:42, 22 August 2006 (BST)

I see you called me a witch, which I take offense at. If I were a more maliousous person then I would take YOU to the VB page or at least ARB. But I am not. Zeus 05:45, 22 August 2006 (BST)

But I like going to Arby\'s... Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS DORIS Hunt!} 05:46, 22 August 2006 (BST)

	Start your torches and pitchforks!
	We found a witch! We must burn the witch before it escapes!

--Gold Blade ^Hunt! 05:43, 22 August 2006 (BST)

Witches don\'t speak when they are burned.BTW Burn The Witch.--Thari ^{S T F U} 05:44, 22 August 2006 (BST)

YOURE ALL WITCHES!!!! omg i am turning into a witch look how my nose changes!!!!! Stop your evil magic zeus!! - Tito 05:46, 22 August 2006 (BST)

Does using an anonymous proxy that puts slashes before quotation marks count as vandalism? It\'s mauling entire pages. --Llamatron 05:51, 22 August 2006 (BST)

Oh did not know that happened, I will quite using a proxy as of now and defend myself tormorrow, or what would be better is if a mod unbanned my ip adress for today. SORRY. Zeus 05:54, 22 August 2006 (BST)

What's this? Creating an account to circumvent a ban? No, sorry, we don't allow that. Permabanned. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 05:58, 22 August 2006 (BST)

Cleanse the wiki of all the witches! Pitchforks and torches! This may have been Amazing, seeing as he was God, possibly The Devil, and this is another divine name --Gold Blade ^Hunt! 06:03, 22 August 2006 (BST)

Witch or no witch, no one can create an account to circumvent their banning. This proves that The Devil really was up to no good. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 06:04, 22 August 2006 (BST)

Wait wait wait wait though!!! jedaz just said 'I suggest that you get another account and start again with a better name. now i dont want to be The Devils' advocate but what happened? I didnt expect this and now I feel bad for saying to burn him. :( :( -- Tito the Mummy ^Hunt! 06:04, 22 August 2006 (BST)

The name of a devine being is not a better name. - Jedaz 06:08, 22 August 2006 (BST)

Established precedent shows that one person telling another to vandalize does not make the first person a vandal. In any event, no one is immune from the rule against creating accounts to circumvent bans. Period. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 06:09, 22 August 2006 (BST)

Bob, the ban was because of his name. Something seems wrong in this ruling. --Gold Blade ^Hunt! 06:11, 22 August 2006 (BST)

oh I didnt mean jedaz was a vandal i just thought the Devil slash Zeus had permission to try and be good. nevermind I guess I got caught up!! -- Tito the Mummy ^Hunt! 06:12, 22 August 2006 (BST)

Let me make this perfectly clear: the ban of Zeus is completely different from the ban of The Devil. It is my opinion that Jedaz was correct to ban The Devil: he openly stated that he was here to cause havoc, and he has proven that by creating the Zeus account after The Devil was banned. However, it has nothing to do with my ban of Zeus. I banned Zeus permanently because he circumvented his The Devil ban. Period. Whether or not The Devil deserved to be banned has nothing to do with his breaking another rule by creating Zeus. My ruling stands. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 06:16, 22 August 2006 (BST)

Bob is right. I would like to ask that if this user truely wishes to contribute to the wiki in a positive manner to please use a non-conspicuous user name and not to mention this at all under that account. You will have to continue to use a proxy because thats the price you pay for making an account that you knew would cause trouble. - Jedaz 06:19, 22 August 2006 (BST)

The automatic IP ban only lasts for 24 hours anyway. It expires 05:07, 23 August 2006 --Brizth ^{M T} 08:46, 22 August 2006 (BST)

Ah, I never knew that, I just thought it would be permanent like the ban. Well there you go, you learn something new every day. - Jedaz 08:49, 22 August 2006 (BST)

Ohhhhhhhhhh. Ok. Thanks for clearing that up! --Gold Blade ^Hunt! 06:17, 22 August 2006 (BST)

Uh still not cleared up! The ban was how long??? PERMANENT!!! If I EVER wanted to use this wiki again then I would have to cirumvent the ban in someway and therefore break the ruling. What about impersonation accounts? Are they not permabanned? So therefore should the user not be perma-banned as well if it is found out? Anyway so how am I suppose to use this wiki? without breaking the rules? -zeus What the hell?? 16:53, 22 August 2006 (BST)

you retard. DONT BRING UP THAT YOU WERE THE DEVIL/ZEUS AND NO ONE WILL CARE!!! --Gold Blade ^Hunt! 16:55, 22 August 2006 (BST)

Stop using a god damned proxy. These \\\\\\\\\\\s everywhere are pissing me off. "Zeus" will stay banned. I will unban "The Devil", as there was pretty much a complete lack of proof put forward when he was banned. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 17:00, 22 August 2006 (BST)

Look at his page. It's obviously Amazing again. --Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS DORIS Hunt!} 21:02, 22 August 2006 (BST)

I put a couple lines at the top saying that I COPY PASTED HIS USER PAGE (god's user page who is probably amazing) As you can see I barely changed anything in it and am not even finished coverting god's user page. I did that mainly because I am lazy. The Devil 21:12, 22 August 2006 (BST)

I'm sure. God said the same thing. "I borrowed some ideas from Amazing." Turns out he was Amazing. Give up already. God, Zeus, Satan, The Devil. It's a little obvious that it's you. --Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS DORIS Hunt!} 21:16, 22 August 2006 (BST)

ha ha ha ha Were did he say that? I wasnt sure what the deal for sure was but that sinches it - Tito the Mummy ^{Hunt! Bash!} 21:39, 22 August 2006 (BST)

The hell if I remember. But it's damn obvious it's Amazing. He acts like him, goes straight for the Policy where his vote was struck for vandal banning, deletions, and the like. Amazing couldn't pretend to be someone else even if he tried. He'd do the same thing over and over because he's a predictable troll. --Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS DORIS Hunt!} 21:42, 22 August 2006 (BST)

Oh your right. I just am crazy tryng to read all of this and figure it all out. I think there should be an entire mystery game made from this like Clue? if anyone remembers it. -- Tito the Mummy ^{Hunt! Bash!} 21:47, 22 August 2006 (BST)

Nah Amazing is usually ALOT more careful than I am, I noticed. If I was Amazing then I would not have copy pasted God's entire user page. Like someone said before I am roleplaying as Amazing roleplaying as god (does not count as impersination if anyone wanted to try that on me). The Devil 22:28, 22 August 2006 (BST)

You're a new user and you know so much about Amazing already. Fuck off Amazing. --Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS DORIS Hunt!} 00:06, 23 August 2006 (BST)

Whos says I am a new user? I never claimed that (its not against the rules to have an alt). I just didn't tell you who my main was (and I never will for the safety of that account). Trust me I'v been around for ALLOOONNGGG time (not long than Amazing though I don't think :(. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by The Devil (talk • contribs) .

You do realise of course that once the new software comes in, your anonymity is gone, right? Even before that, if Kevan wish to he could query the database directly to find out your identity. If you are who I think you are, you had better count yourself damn lucky that I gave you a chance to become a proper member of the community. Odds are that if you are who I think you are, you're time here will be limited. I doubt even appealing to what little compassion the community has could save you from their wrath. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 02:28, 23 August 2006 (BST)

The Devil

Alt account from unknown user (claims that he is not amazing) only to "sow confusion and disruption". --hagnat ^mod 01:42, 22 August 2006 (BST)

Thinking of angry mob template... --Gold Blade ^Hunt! 01:43, 22 August 2006 (BST)

told you youd get banned lol -- Tito 01:44, 22 August 2006 (BST)

Your Dastardly is not Amazing, although I am a supporter of his tactics and former use of the wiki (his legit tactics not his ban get around use of the GOD account if that really was him). Also Satan does not see any rule against claiming than my purpose here is to sow confusion and disruption. If there is one I would love for you to point it out to yours truly(I am the Devil you know). (also I g2g so I won't be able to defend my self for a little bit, don't start the witch hunt yet!) The Devil 01:48, 22 August 2006 (BST)

If there was no rule against it, why would we have Moderators to stop people from sowin confusion and disruption? That is what Vandal Banning is! Prevent people who are/are going to disrupt the flow of the UDWiki. YHBT. YHL. HAND! -- BeefSteak ^WTF 01:52, 22 August 2006 (BST)

Notices similarities in speaking...--Gold Blade ^Hunt! 01:51, 22 August 2006 (BST)

Tis true your dastardly based his speakings (and his user page) on the lord god's for he is a fallen angle of god. In response to beefsteak the VB page is intended to prevent rulebreakers not drama starters (thats for the arb page I guess). The Devil 01:57, 22 August 2006 (BST)

Starts to notice that he says "your dastardly" instead of "yours dastardly", something a witch would do, and practically did a copy paste of an infamous alt, and hasnt changed it yet... --Gold Blade ^Hunt! 02:00, 22 August 2006 (BST)

Please, don't create drama on this case. My point is that this account was merely created to create chaos in the wiki and to make the work of the mods harder to be done. Just wait for another mod to step in and avoid posting here. --hagnat ^mod 02:06, 22 August 2006 (BST)

>_> ... <_< ... BURN THE WITCH!!!! --hagnat ^mod 02:06, 22 August 2006 (BST)

Well not to set any precidence, but since they have openly admitted that they arn't going to contribute anything useful to the wiki and because The Devil does appear to have not only the same speaking style as Amazing but also a very simmilar user page. I would have to perma-ban him because of the obvious intent to cause harm to the wiki and the likely hood that he is Amazing. Any objections before I go ahead and perma-ban this user? (With the exception of The Devil of course) - Jedaz 02:27, 22 August 2006 (BST)

While Amazing brings any dialogue to a new low, even he is above using "g2g" in a sentence, there's no way this is Amazing. As for banning The Devil, the wiki would be a better place without him. -- Rueful 02:40, 22 August 2006 (BST)

BURN THE W... cahem, no, no, not a problem with this decision at all.. --hagnat ^mod 02:37, 22 August 2006 (BST)

Ok, ok. This is what we'll do. Since theres no evidence either way I won't perma-ban him yet. However IF The Devil's edits are not contributing to the wiki in some POSITIVE way then I will ban him for the reason that the account was created just for mischief. If the editing style becomes as of that of the user "God" then I will have all reason to belive that you are infact Amazing and thus ban you. If you are serious about contributing to the wiki I suggest that you get another account and start again with a better name. That is all. - Jedaz 02:48, 22 August 2006 (BST)

This is very likely to be Amazing getting an accomplice to post to the wiki to prove a point. If we ban the Devil for being an alt without any proof, then Zing can kid himself and anyone who'll listen that we did the same for God. --Llamatron 03:31, 22 August 2006 (BST)

Ha ha ha ha ha ha!!! i know who it is!!! - Tito 02:43, 22 August 2006 (BST)~

then tell us.--Gage 03:08, 22 August 2006 (BST)

I dont want him to get banned because of it though because I dont know for 100% sure of it. all I will say is look how he spelled angle instead of angel then check at the list of vandals -- Tito 03:13, 22 August 2006 (BST)

Someone needs to ban this user immediately. Look at his user page. Look at the way he talks (and references himself in the third person). Look at how he edits his comment after the fact: 1. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 03:51, 22 August 2006 (BST)

one true mark of Amazing--Gage 03:56, 22 August 2006 (BST)

Enough talking. Start the burning.--Thari ^{S T F U} 03:58, 22 August 2006 (BST)

I guess I wasnt clear enough of it. Do you see Gods true angle of wrath and the devil saying angle when he means angel? -- Tito 04:01, 22 August 2006 (BST)

Hmm... well since they themselves did state that they were here to "sow confusion and disruption" on the wiki. And the user also admits to mimicking Amazing which in it's self is no good. As a moderator I must try to prevent vandalism occuring. Thus as the user acknowledges that they are out to do no good and knew that their username would cause a stir in the community I am going to perma-ban them to prevent the potential drama and vandalism which would occur if they continued to edit the wiki under this username. This is my ruling. - Jedaz 05:02, 22 August 2006 (BST)

Be The Devil another Amazing alt or not, the problem is that he said himself that the only reason he created this account was to "sow confusion and disruption". Nuff' said, its burning time! --hagnat ^mod 04:50, 22 August 2006 (BST)

Burn the witch! Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS DORIS Hunt!} 04:51, 22 August 2006 (BST)

Done and done. - Jedaz 05:04, 22 August 2006 (BST)

Horray! More witch cleansing! --Gold Blade ^Hunt! 05:15, 22 August 2006 (BST)

Another witch burned! Victory for the village folk!--Thari ^{S T F U} 05:17, 22 August 2006 (BST)

Be on the watch for someone named Your Dastardly, notice he uses Your Dastardly instead of Yours dastardly. 99/100 it'll be a BURN THE...*ahem* sorry, witch. BURN HIM! --Gold Blade ^Hunt! 05:23, 22 August 2006 (BST)

All hail Jedaz! –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 05:23, 22 August 2006 (BST)

Zeus disagrees with your interpretation of the rule because The Devil stated that it one of the main reasons he created his account was to sow destruction not the sole reason, not that it matter though, since Zeus is a god of good. Zeus 05:26, 22 August 2006 (BST)

Zeus disagrees with BobHammero! BobHammero is a witch finder! Acoorrding to this, Zeus is a witch! he disagrees with us! --Gold Blade ^Hunt! 05:30, 22 August 2006 (BST)

Zeuls formally requests that his ip be unbanned so he can stop using a damned proxy for today. Zeus 05:35, 22 August 2006 (BST)

Dont you mean the lord zeus? lol just playin' man -- Tito the Mummy ^{Hunt! Bash!} 21:50, 22 August 2006 (BST)

Stuape27

Vandalized the RRF page not once but like four times. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 00:38, 22 August 2006 (BST)

Warned. --Brizth ^{M T} 00:47, 22 August 2006 (BST)

MeowX3

Page move vandal, permabanned, vandalism reverted. --Brizth ^{M T} 23:09, 21 August 2006 (BST)

Is meow the 3pwv or is it a different vandal? What is up with this? He keeps getting my user and talk page too. What an ass. --Gage 23:37, 21 August 2006 (BST)

Your Dastardly doubts that those two sinners mentions are the same as they do not follow the same pattern of destruction. Meow might hold a grudge against you. Not that it matters whether they are the same or not as they both will be permabanned in ether circumstance. Satan shall assure that both perpetrators (or if they are 1 in the same) shall burn in the fiery depths of hell. Bwahaha. The Devil 01:12, 22 August 2006 (BST)

Not fing amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Permabanned. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 20:19, 21 August 2006 (BST)

Fixed something. --Gold Blade 20:21, 21 August 2006 (BST)

Kneneje

Vandal alt, created his user page redirecting to a just moments before Redirector started his acts. Must we wait until he starts the vandalism? --Thari ^T/C/TJ! 20:13, 21 August 2006 (BST)

Yes you have you wait. Damn wiki rules you know. Kneneje 20:22, 21 August 2006 (BST)

The almighty Lord Satan deems Keneje to be an obvious alt of redirector, this be because he created the page that was redirected and he did redirect to that page himself on his user page. He shall forever burn in hell. The Devil 22:12, 21 August 2006 (BST)

	Start your torches and pitchforks!
	We found a witch! We must burn the witch before it escapes!

--Gold Blade ^Hunt! 22:13, 21 August 2006 (BST)

Trust me he's already burning thanks to your dastardly, bwahaha. The Devil 22:34, 21 August 2006 (BST)

Redirector

Vandal account, permabanned. --Brizth ^{M T} 20:10, 21 August 2006 (BST)

Seems Amazing is a sore a loser as ever. – Nubis ^NWO 20:11, 21 August 2006 (BST)

I am not fing amazing I am the 3pwv! got that NOOBis! Not fing amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 20:15, 21 August 2006 (BST)

Who cares who are you? You are just one more vandal.--Thari ^T/C/TJ! 20:17, 21 August 2006 (BST)

MrAushvitz

Under rule 12 of Making a Suggestion it says not to suggest more then 3 suggestions per day (a day being a 24 hour time period). Mr Aushvitz suggested not one, not two but four suggestions in a 24 hour time period. If I remember correctly he has been warned for this previously. This, this, this and this are the edit logs. - Jedaz 14:15, 21 August 2006 (BST)

And wasn't he the reason that rule came into effect? --Gold Blade 14:18, 21 August 2006 (BST)

No, this rule was there before he came along. - Jedaz 14:22, 21 August 2006 (BST)

Well, on his page it says that. And I believed it. Not really surprising, though. --Gold Blade 14:24, 21 August 2006 (BST)

Banned for 24 hours. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 14:24, 21 August 2006 (BST)

YEAH! BURN THE WITCH! BURN HER... erm, him... --hagnat ^mod 18:34, 21 August 2006 (BST)

The witch has been burned! The Witch Burners strike again! Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 18:36, 21 August 2006 (BST)

Witches float like ducks, and wood floats like ducks, and wood burns, so witches burn just as well. Horray for messed up logic! --Gold Blade 19:51, 21 August 2006 (BST)

Zod Rhombus

Knew that God was Amazing when admitting that he speaks to Amazing everyday. He knew and conspired with Amazing. He is just as guilty. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 03:48, 21 August 2006 (BST)

Oh this is rich. Still not convinced this is real, maybe an elaborate scam. I suppose some kind of proof is in order? And this makes vandalism where? --Zod Rhombus 03:57, 21 August 2006 (BST)

Not vandalism. I am no friend of Zod's, and he certainly is not a fan of mine, but this isn't vandalism. I actually have pretty strong information that he didn't know that God was Amazing, as well, but even if he did, it wouldn't violate any rule, it would just be in extremely poor taste. The only way it would be vandalism is if Zod knew, and somehow helped Amazing get the account. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 03:58, 21 August 2006 (BST)

BURN THE WITCH!!! BURN H--... awww... --hagnat ^mod 04:00, 21 August 2006 (BST)

I would change my mind if sufficient gold were to be placed in the basket. Zod, your only hope now is putting even more gold in the basket than Hagnat. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 04:03, 21 August 2006 (BST)

Our angry mob is willing to put dirt in the basket. Would that help to get things burnin'?--Thari ^T/C/TJ! 04:05, 21 August 2006 (BST)

If the dirt glitters with fool's gold, perhaps. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 09:42, 21 August 2006 (BST)

Not vandalism. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 09:54, 21 August 2006 (BST)

What Xoid said. Chill out Sonny. – Nubis ^NWO 14:48, 21 August 2006 (BST)

Sorry. Not enough conclusive evidence. I can't blame you for it though, with half the wiki looking for anything Amazing left behind. --Gold Blade 14:53, 21 August 2006 (BST)

Not vandalism. (Is there an echo in here or did I not already rule?) –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 17:48, 21 August 2006 (BST)

Pharo212

Creator of the circular redirects Life, The Universe, And Everything. Genius book, but not here. --Darth Sensitive ^W! 22:36, 20 August 2006 (BST)

Tool. This isn't vandalism. Cyberbob  Talk  22:37, 20 August 2006 (BST)

I guess I was in the wrong. I just checked what I could find on the page, and it seems that creating purposefully stupid pages isn't a VB offense. My bad. --Darth Sensitive ^W! 22:52, 20 August 2006 (BST)

Meow^3

Vandalizing every page he sees on the recent changes.--Thari ^T/C/TJ! 22:11, 20 August 2006 (BST)

permabanned. – Nubis ^NWO 22:12, 20 August 2006 (BST)

and the vandalism reverted. --Brizth ^{M T} 22:24, 20 August 2006 (BST)

A nice, clean and fast work. Bravo.--Thari ^T/C/TJ! 22:26, 20 August 2006 (BST)

Amazing

Tried to avoid his 1 Year ban from the UDWiki by creating an alt. The case can be found here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by BeefSteak (talk • contribs) --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 13:03, 20 August 2006 (BST).

Now the proud recipient of a Permaban. – Nubis ^NWO 12:03, 20 August 2006 (BST)

I'm sorry if the mods think I'm not caring my own business, but where in the Wiki does it say that the following ban for a 1 year ban is a permaban? It should be 1 more year, per the current (broken but current) guidelines. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 13:03, 20 August 2006 (BST)

Vandal alts get permabanned. Really. If you are going to fight something on a technicality, go all the way. If you take issue with this, tell me why you are not arguing for PQN to be unbanned, then banned for 22 years? –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 13:13, 20 August 2006 (BST)

I'm sorry, but did you mean "Vandals that make alts get permabanned?" --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 13:17, 20 August 2006 (BST)

If he has been permabanned, someone update the vandal data. It just says the 1 year ban--Gage • ASS 16:59, 20 August 2006 (BST)

Can I do it?--Canuhearmenow 17:22, 20 August 2006 (BST)

If it could be done by a normal user I would have just done it, but alas, the page is protected--Gage • ASS 17:57, 20 August 2006 (BST)

It's protected for very good reason. The page has been happily amended by me. What a glorious day. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 19:34, 20 August 2006 (BST)

Amazing votes on deletion and your new policy should be struck since he was banned at the time of the vote. Can I do that or does a mod have to?Jjames 18:30, 21 August 2006 (BST)

God

Amazing alt. Watching his edit pattern, his lack of contribution in any area of the wiki but those were drama exists or can be created, same way to act and attack others, especially against those who had disagreements with him, his knoweledge in wiki code, even with templates created here... God can be no one other than Amazing! And, for trying to evade his ban period i ask for both his accounts to be permanently banned. --hagnat ^mod 00:47, 20 August 2006 (BST)

I dislike God's behavior, but I don't like the precedent this would set. I don't want to get banned every time Scinfaxi does. At least one mod is convinced we are the same person and has asked for us to be banned, so I'd like to see actual proof before you can ban someone for this.Jjames 00:50, 20 August 2006 (BST)

The Lord God also belives you may be required to provide links or some sort of actual proof of your allegations. Be thankful the Lord won't take this to Arbitration as has recently occurred when baseless allegations are made. -- (The Lord God) † ^Pray 00:53, 20 August 2006 (BST)

allow me to provide some links them... editing this page --hagnat ^mod 00:54, 20 August 2006 (BST)

This is stupid, even if he is amazing, he hasn't caused any real trouble. Just leave him the fuck alone.--Gage • ASS 01:16, 20 August 2006 (BST)

Rules are rules. Alts of a banned user get permabanned right away. If PQN came back and decided to do nothing but stick his face in the Vandal Bannning page he'd be banned. There's no exception, especially with Amazing. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 01:18, 20 August 2006 (BST)

Wow, and I thought it was just me being paranoid (meaning I thought he was Amazing too). --Sirens^{T RR} 01:20, 20 August 2006 (BST)

• ever since God joined the wiki he seems to have great knoweledge with wiki code, even using some standards used here for boxes and custom titles. Yes, anyone can create a second account and do the same, but take this into consideration. God's 14th edit to his own page
• Created a group with no other visible user present. 3i
• Joined the Sacred Ground Policy.
• On his 3rd day voted on most of the active pools for page deletions.
• Kept using moderational pages after that.
• Created a template, that resemble most of amazing's templates. [[ Template:PoopLessPlease]] and Template:AmazingKing
• created a misconduct case against one of his nemesis when he had the first chance.
• involvment in arbitration cases.
• edited his own comments after hitting the save page button, even after others replyed to said comments.
• added the drama lamma to his talk page... a template amazing himself used to back people away from his talk page.
• at least 80% of god's recent edits were made in moderational pages, even when things were nothing of his business, and always in a way to flame the discussion.
• when said to mind his own business and not comment on other people cases in this page, god threatned to go to arbitration.

That's all i can think right now. --hagnat ^mod 01:22, 20 August 2006 (BST)

I think it is pretty clear that he is an experienced wiki editor, but I don't know that that it is clear which one. Can anything be proved? That will be the hard part, impossible unless God tells us that it is true.--Gage • ASS 01:22, 20 August 2006 (BST)

You forgot that before even meeting everyone he attacked everyone that opposed him. Nubis, Bob, Scinfaxi, Jjames, Cyberbob, you, and myself. This would mean he had knowledge of everyone prior to signing up. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 01:30, 20 August 2006 (BST)

The users in question attacked the Lord God before he said anything cross to any of them. -- (The Lord God) † ^Pray 01:39, 20 August 2006 (BST)

Please allow the Lord God to chill while busting a cap.

1. The Lord God is capable of viewing code and copying it. The Lord God has used Wikis before. Next issue.
2. The Lord God has not yet found anyone who wants to join his group ingame. Mostly he has just been shot and accused of not existing. If you want to charge everyone who creates a group without thinking, the Lord God would like to see it.
3. The situation is more grim than we thought. There are 167 Amazing alts.
4. The Lord God voted on deletions. This is highly damning! Wait, it means nothing. Next issue.
5. Next issue.
6. The template is a direct copy of {{CryMorePlease}}, which was used on the Lord God. Minor edits were made.
7. Is this about revenge for your misconduct case? Anyway, the Lord God has been on a wiki or two, and was just hoping to keep things kosher. Apparently the Lord God was wrong, and this is a bannable offense.
8. Who isn't?
9. Many mortals edit their words after posting. Are you saying that Moderators are Amazing as well?
10. Why do you believe it means anything for the Lord to see a template on someone's page and use it?
11. The Lord God was bored, and soured from his experiences with warnings being issued for nothing. He vowed not to let that happen to others. In the process he discovered others being let off the hook for actual vandalism.
12. The Lord God never threatened to go to Arbitration. Bearing false witness is against the Lord's commandments, mortal.

The Lord has been told he is Undeadinator, Amazing, Zod Rhombus, and others. Accusations like this are a dime a dozen, and it seems that paranoia is eating this community alive. The Lord God blesses you all and hopes this will cease from all sides. Be sure to read his tell-all book. -- (The Lord God) † ^Pray 01:39, 20 August 2006 (BST)

Problem is, God, that if you add 1 + 2 you will notice that all this follow the same pattern Amazing used. Even your reply here was made in a very Amazing way. --hagnat ^mod 01:42, 20 August 2006 (BST)

The Lord God never threatened to go to Arbitration. Bearing false witness is against the Lord's commandments, mortal. - Be thankful the Lord won't take this to Arbitration as has recently occurred when baseless allegations are made - This is threaning. --hagnat ^mod 01:47, 20 August 2006 (BST)

The Lord God told you that you were safe from Arbitration, mortal. That is the opposite of a threat. -- (The Lord God) † ^Pray 02:44, 20 August 2006 (BST)

We know you're not Undeadinator. He's too damn cool. But your reply is something Amazing would say. With the exception of you not calling anyone a petulant child. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 01:44, 20 August 2006 (BST)

The Lord God wonders. Since you just used that term, does that make you Amazing? Probably not. -- (The Lord God) † ^Pray -- (The Lord God) † ^Pray 02:44, 20 August 2006 (BST)

I have to add that the facts that you're obsesed with "proving points" the same as Amazing was when he was on this Wiki and that you treat everyone as inferior beings (what's better to call yourself "God" to do that?) do little to help your case God. And the stupidity you sometimes fake (confusing the Crossman Defense Force with the Creedy Defense Force and making stupid mistakes at deletions when we all can see how experienced you are at the Wiki) just strenghten the theory that you're an Amazing alt. Altough none of these can be seen individually as a strong proof... --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 01:54, 20 August 2006 (BST)

Keep in mind that Urban Dead Wiki rules are not universal on all wikis. The Lord God is good, but not good enough to predict the contents of every page on this site before arriving. -- (The Lord God) † ^Pray 02:44, 20 August 2006 (BST)

Okay, here's my advice. Amazing refused to ignore the rest of the people in the wiki, claiming that it was to fun. IF you're not Amazing, prove it by taking my advice, and not replying to any of this any further. If you do, then it's safe to say that whether or not you actually are Amazing, you follow his pattern, and should be banned as a percaution. --Sirens^{T RR} 01:57, 20 August 2006 (BST)

Hoo boy. We's gonna have ourselves an oooold-fashioned burnin' at the stake! Cyberbob  Talk  02:00, 20 August 2006 (BST)

We should ban him just because he has a loud mouth? That right there sets a great precedent. --Gage • ASS 02:08, 20 August 2006 (BST)

Excuse me? Did I say anything about banning? Go away Gage, and take your sycophantiness with you. If there is a strong suspicion that God = Amazing, there's a good chance he'll be banned. Nothing definite. Just a possibility. Cyberbob  Talk  02:12, 20 August 2006 (BST)

You didn't say anything about banning, but Mia did. --Gage • ASS 02:20, 20 August 2006 (BST)

Learn how to indent properly then, tool. If you want to be speaking to Mia, make your indentation one level higher than hers. Not mine, because then you're speaking to me. Cyberbob  Talk  02:22, 20 August 2006 (BST)

	Burn Her! She's a Witch!
	This user is on a witch hunt and will burn any witch they find.

Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 02:25, 20 August 2006 (BST)

Way ahead of you :P Cyberbob  Talk  02:29, 20 August 2006 (BST)

The Lord God typed his replies above, then scrolled down to read your post, Mia. He debated deleting his replies above, but decided to let you know he will now take you up on this, starting immediately. If this is not acceptable to you, the Lord God will delete the replies made at this time. Bless you! -- (The Lord God) † ^Pray 02:44, 20 August 2006 (BST)

Permabanned. Kevan has definitive proof in the form of IP address records from both in game and on wiki. An insider confirmed this. Bye bye. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 08:01, 20 August 2006 (BST)

• Amen - Jedaz 08:02, 20 August 2006 (BST)
• All hail Xoid! –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 08:12, 20 August 2006 (BST)
• Hurray, freedom!--Thari ^T/C/TJ! 08:18, 20 August 2006 (BST)
• Is it air what I'm breathing? --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 08:19, 20 August 2006 (BST)
• Shit... I missed it. :-( Cyberbob  Talk  08:20, 20 August 2006 (BST)
• Praise the Lord! Does this mean Amazing's ban will be changed to a permanent one, as well? --Jimbo Bob ^ASS•U! 08:37, 20 August 2006 (BST)
• Yay. Hooray for Amazing's ploy's once again being thwarted! Who says Thwart these days? --CaptainM 10:30, 20 August 2006 (BST)
• The Witch Burners save the Wiki Village once again! We knew in advance that God was Amazing. Now, all that supported God shall be tried for treason and burned at the stake guilty or not. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 16:44, 20 August 2006 (BST)
• FUCK YEAH!--Gage • ASS 16:49, 20 August 2006 (BST)
• Christmas!!-That's Why I did your Wife 20:50, 20 August 2006 (BST)
• Is it just me or anyone seem to be having a problem with burning and banning God from the Wiki Village? --hagnat ^mod 02:18, 21 August 2006 (BST)
• Thank god!(pun intended) Finally, i got sick of Amazing and his vandalisim, but i think God was possibly the worst. Bless you my son. Be thankful that the Lord... So says The Lord God. </nasal voice> That was almost too much to bear. I am going to celebrate! --Gold Blade 03:20, 21 August 2006 (BST) 'Edit Damit, why didn't anyone notice This and use it as evidence. He made it himself. Dumbass.
• Knew it. (Well least suspected it...) Well see ya soon. --Niilomaan ^GRR! 10:00, 21 August 2006 (BST)
• I vaugely suspected this without even knowing amazing. the names were similar, but what really confused me was that he had no charecters to speak of. --Ybbor^T 20:36, 21 August 2006 (BST)

Um excuse me? If Kevan has something to say here then why hell doesn't he say it himself? If he said it to you somewhere on the wiki then it would be great if you actually SHOWED IT TO US, instead of proclaiming some empty trump all proof of "kevan told me so". Is it not a rule here that it is not proof unless the person himself says so on the wiki? Laghhung 19:30, 21 August 2006 (BST)

You're excused. We're not required to prove anything to you. Try looking around for yourself. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 19:38, 21 August 2006 (BST)

Here. --Brizth ^{M T} 19:43, 21 August 2006 (BST)

Thank you Brizth, and in response to Bob, in most cases you are required to prove this kind of stuff to everyone before banning if that mod who did the banning does not want to be taking to misconduct. Laghhung 19:48, 21 August 2006 (BST)

Jakeweber

Made an edit to the Red Rum page without permission or explaination. --Sirens^{T RR} 23:40, 19 August 2006 (BST)

this is the edit in question--Gage • ASS 00:04, 20 August 2006 (BST)

Actually, Mia, he did explained why he changed that info. And I give him the point of that, seeing that the Invisibles (not the quite so) wiki page isnt updated in a long time. It seems like they are really inactive and that info is true. Leave him be, Mia. --hagnat ^mod 00:14, 20 August 2006 (BST)

Where did he explain it? --Sirens^{T RR} 00:27, 20 August 2006 (BST)

here Edited removing 'The Invisibles'. They arent active as a group anymore and have no members in Griggs. Its just us (not quite so) Invisibles here i'm afraid. --hagnat ^mod 00:33, 20 August 2006 (BST)

My mistake. He still edited the page without permission. Further, he should have put that explaination on the talk page, not spamming up the regular page. Finnally, IF the invisible aren't an active group, than I'd like to know why I keep finding people with that in their profile. --Sirens^{T RR} 01:18, 20 August 2006 (BST)

Warned. Cyberbob  Talk  01:29, 20 August 2006 (BST)

How can one mod say it's not vandalism and another issue a warning? Who breaks a tie in a case like this? Just curious as I've seen confusing things on vandal banning lately.Jjames 19:22, 20 August 2006 (BST)

Because you cannot edit a group's page without permission. End of story. Cyberbob  Talk  09:06, 21 August 2006 (BST)

But hagnat ruled before you did that it wasn't vandalism. In cases where one moderator says it isn't vandalism and another says it is, what are the rules for which decision has weight. Is the person to get the last word in the one to make the decision?Jjames 18:18, 21 August 2006 (BST)

I have to agree with Jjames. It more or less takes away a lot of the point of mods: To provide a ruling on things like this. --Gold Blade 19:49, 21 August 2006 (BST)

Because Hagnat never made his decision with an authorative tone, it could be assumed that he was merely discussing the point. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 16:45, 22 August 2006 (BST)

If it's not to late, I wanted to withdraw this report. I had a talk with him, and through the talks determined that it was, in fact, a good faith edit, and he never should have recieved a warning as such. --Sirens^{T RR} 15:53, 22 August 2006 (BST)

You can't really "withdraw" a report, but from what you've said and what I've seen, I'm inclined to agree. Good faith is not punishable, even if it was against the rules. (With the obvious exception of strict liability cases, but I'll not let this devolve into discussing law at this hour.) –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 16:45, 22 August 2006 (BST)

User:Mr yawn

Deleted this talk page. Clear vandalism. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jjames (talk • contribs) .

Warned. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 22:42, 19 August 2006 (BST)

Saromu

Edited out someones legitimate warning that Nichols Mall was in danger from the Big Bash (his own horde), and also a link to a page that is invaluble in organising a Mall defence in a seige. 3 days later (the next edit) the first wave of zombies arrive -- boxy ^{T L PA DA} 13:28, 19 August 2006 (BST)

I doubt you could call it vandalism. The page was for factual information and what was posted was only speculation. Nothing backed up the claim and so it was removed. I do admit that it is very convinient but being fair and all theres nothing that definitly says that it was with malicious intent. So I have to say with all that was presented that any other wiki user probably would have also removed it just because there was no evidence that such a thing would occur. So I'm ruling that it's not vandalism. - Jedaz 13:57, 19 August 2006 (BST)

But the Big Bash did end up in Stanbury Village. They did crush Nichols Mall. The prediction turned out to be correct either way. If we make it a precedent that every claim must be reinforced with evidence or face arbitrary deletion, the wiki will soon be a LOT thinner. The statement was true and was deleted by the leader of a group who had something to gain from its deletion. --Kiki Lottaboobs 14:13, 19 August 2006 (BST)

The DEM zergs. There. I said it. Doesn't mean it's true, but by your logic it should remain on the page. The wiki is supposed to be helpful, not a source of misinformation. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 14:19, 19 August 2006 (BST)

But, it wasn't misinformation. It was true, and if anyone knew how true it was, it would be the leader of the Big Bash. If he deleted it because it wasn't true, and then made it true, doesn't that seem a little paradoxical? --Kiki Lottaboobs 14:28, 19 August 2006 (BST)

Except that Saromu doesn't rule the Big Bash. He is merely a part of it. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 15:44, 19 August 2006 (BST)

Nothing backed up the claim? There is a mega-horde, one that had (at the time) already torn up nearly a quarter of the city, only a couple of suburbs away, and Nichols Mall is next closest after they take out Ackland Mall? Yes, yes it does look convinient that the zombie horde master takes out such warnings in malls that are "next on the list" -- boxy ^{T L PA DA} 14:30, 19 August 2006 (BST)

If the claim turned out to be false then we wouldn't have Saromu in vandal banning but whoever put up the claim. If someone deleted something that someone added then you can just put it back up there. Worst comes to worst it's taken to arbitration. When the claim was placed it was only speculation and not a fact which is what (as I understand) the suburb pages are suppose to deal with. - Jedaz 14:41, 19 August 2006 (BST)

OK. I disagree about a speculative warning being as bad as taking out a warning in such a circumstance. But you's the mod :P -- boxy ^{T L PA DA} 15:10, 19 August 2006 (BST)

Cry me a fucking river. Big Bash wasn't supposed to hit Nichols. It was a last minute decision. The RRF was supposed to meet Big Bash at Hildebrand and let ferals take down Nichols like they did at Tynte. But instead Big Bash hit Nichols. That decision came that very day. Just because a horde is in the area doesn't mean it's attacking you. We're going back to the beginning of the game where every group of 2-3 zombies was The Many. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 17:19, 19 August 2006 (BST)

So you've just admitted that it was the Big Bash's plan all along to go through Stanbury Village on their way to Hildebrand Mall (Hildebrand being only 7 blocks away from Nichols and in an almost direct line from the BB's position at the time). What a joke. You took out any hint of a warning from the Nichols Mall page when the horde was well on it's way there because it was "speculation". No, it's damned obvious that Sonny knew full well the Big Bash was heading that way (he just said so), but he took out information he knew was accurate to protect what element of surprise he could. If someone not involved had deleted, then yeah, good faith, if unfortunate, but this is obviously bad faith due to Sonny's inside knowledge, and vested interest -- boxy ^{T L PA DA} 02:31, 20 August 2006 (BST)

Go blow it out your ass. The real target was Shackleville. It wasn't until the day of the attack did Big Bash decide to take a more direct route and forget about fully hitting Shackleville. You're not in Big Bash, you have no clue what you're talking about, and frankly you're a fucking moron for thinking you can prove otherwise. So how about you run along and pretend you're so clever somewhere else. Because unlike other places we do not make you leave logic at the door. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 02:35, 20 August 2006 (BST)

I couldn't proove a thing either, and had admitted as much, until you came along and told me that you knew the BB was heading east all along -- boxy ^{T L PA DA} 02:50, 20 August 2006 (BST)

I knew they would hit Hildebrand. But the time and route is so vague no one could tell what would be hit in between the current attack and Hildebrand. People knew Mall Tour would hit Caiger but did they say Mall Tour was coming before they actual had a chance to say they were hitting it that very second? No. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 02:57, 20 August 2006 (BST)

That's because the BB wasn't a real threat to Caiger, they would have relished the chance for another victory. And yes, people do give warnings that threats are likely on Mall pages. Here's you editing one very similar to what's discussed here, even though there is no anouncement on the BB page of Woodroffe being a target, at the time. Guess it was more important to talk the BB up, than to take out "speculation" that day. Warnings is one of the things that people come to the wiki for. I suggest moving it to the talk page, if you must mess with other people's legitimate warnings in future -- boxy ^{T L PA DA} 04:11, 20 August 2006 (BST)

Woodroffe, Tynte, Joachim, Lumber, and even Mitchem were under attack before Big Bash got there. Those are not our sieges. But by the time we arrived there they became filled with small human presence and we removed them from the building. When Big Bash hit Tynte there were 20 some odd harmanz in it. Lumber had 60. Those aren't official sieges though. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 04:43, 20 August 2006 (BST)

Vandalism is vandalism is vandalism. So speaketh your Lord God. -- (The Lord God) † ^Pray 18:03, 19 August 2006 (BST)

Oh fuck off. Learn to mind your business. I remember someone who was banned for a year who couldn't mind his own business. It's amazing that both of you have said similarities. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 18:47, 19 August 2006 (BST)

Perhaps you are under the mistaken notion that this is your wiki, little mortal. The Lord God assures you that it is not. -- (The Lord God) † ^Pray 00:25, 20 August 2006 (BST)

I could say the same thing about you. Cyberbob  Talk  01:36, 20 August 2006 (BST)

Moderation: This was not vandalism. The first edit was a prediction. Could be wrong, could be right, who knows ? By that time it was merely specullation, wrong information for anyone reading that page. God, i ask you NOT TO step into other people business. --hagnat ^mod 23:06, 19 August 2006 (BST)

The Lord God points out that though you are a moderator, you are not able to strike one user from commenting on vandalism cases when so many others do. There will be no theologically-based double standards. -- (The Lord God) † ^Pray 00:25, 20 August 2006 (BST)

I was under the impression it was because you are an all-around ass, not some 'Divine Being'. – Nubis ^NWO 00:32, 20 August 2006 (BST)

Oooo... that's it. Finally i am 100% certain that you are Amazing! --hagnat ^mod 00:35, 20 August 2006 (BST)

Moderator - NOT. FUCKING. VANDALISM. Boxy. Shut up. Same goes for you, Kiki. If you guys want to argue with Sonny, you can do it on someone's talk page. Stop clogging up this page with your inane bullshit. Cyberbob  Talk  04:17, 20 August 2006 (BST)

Yes bob, I got that message loud and clear when the others said it... but jam it anyway, flamebaiter -- boxy ^{T L PA DA} 05:54, 20 August 2006 (BST)

Really? Then why the fuck are you still here? Oh that's right, you're flamebaiting too. Hypocrite. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 06:03, 20 August 2006 (BST)

Techiemaster

Vandalised Meowmeowmeow's user page, and then changed it back 20 minutes later. Does this count as an offense if he was the one who deleted it? It's a pretty strong slander. --Kiki Lottaboobs 12:58, 19 August 2006 (BST)

Sigh, while probably true it's still vandalism. Warned. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 13:36, 19 August 2006 (BST)

He did change it back and remove what he put there... At least he did that much to make things right. --Kiki Lottaboobs 13:42, 19 August 2006 (BST)

He didn't revert it, he simply removed everything. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 13:47, 19 August 2006 (BST)

True. --Kiki Lottaboobs 13:50, 19 August 2006 (BST)

Pharo212

In my diggings, I discovered that Pharo had vandalised Meowmeowmeow's user page by making it redirect here, a fake user page created by Pharos as well. Cyberbob  Talk  05:17, 19 August 2006 (BST)

Is this the diff link you were looking for?--Thari ^T/C/TJ! 05:24, 19 August 2006 (BST)

Not quite... this is the one. But thanks for picking that, Thari. :-) Cyberbob  Talk  05:31, 19 August 2006 (BST)

We are talking about vandalising the 3pwv's page here. Does anyone really care? –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 05:41, 19 August 2006 (BST)

Vandalism is vandalism is vandalism, Xoid. Cyberbob  Talk  05:45, 19 August 2006 (BST)

Warned. We really don't want to set a precedent for allowing vandalism, do we? –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 06:22, 19 August 2006 (BST)

Meow Cubed

Vandalized ASS page.--Thari ^T/C/TJ! 03:58, 19 August 2006 (BST)

And every other page on the recent changes. No mods are on right now to do nothing. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 04:01, 19 August 2006 (BST)

Banned. --Kevan 04:07, 19 August 2006 (BST)

Is there some way to restore the pages? I quickly checked the ASS history, and it doesn't show a previous version. Of course, maybe I just don't know how to use the wiki...--Thom Flask 04:17, 19 August 2006 (BST)

The vandle moved the pages, that moves the histories from each page as well. To move a page to its original place we must delete the old page or use the "revert" function. I think we should leave the cleaning to the mods or we will make things messier.--Thari ^T/C/TJ! 04:19, 19 August 2006 (BST)

There. I think I got all of it. Cyberbob  Talk  05:00, 19 August 2006 (BST)

He got my user page again. Can you please fix it?--Gage • ASS 05:02, 19 August 2006 (BST)

Done. Cyberbob  Talk  05:04, 19 August 2006 (BST)

Thanks--Gage • ASS 05:06, 19 August 2006 (BST)

Jjames

continued to spam up my talk page after I told him to stop. --Gage • ASS 01:13, 19 August 2006 (BST)

My edit was totally in good faith. How did I know what he meant by "spamming" I just responded to his point and let him know my intention to adress his behavior to the Coalition for Fair Tactics. I firgured he deserved a heads up despite his behavior. I was only trying to be fair. Had he said more specifically that i was banned from posting on his page I would have refrained. He should be specific.Jjames 01:17, 19 August 2006 (BST)

Not a matter for Vandal Banning, Gage. Take it to Arbitration. Cyberbob  Talk  01:18, 19 August 2006 (BST)

this is me being specific: don't post on my talk page anymore. --Gage • ASS 01:23, 19 August 2006 (BST)

If you have to ban me from your page to win you arguments then maybe you never had a defensible point to begin with, but I will respect your wishes as per wiki guidelines.Jjames 01:28, 19 August 2006 (BST)

Heh. That's pretty much Legend X's tactic as well. Cyberbob  Talk  01:30, 19 August 2006 (BST)

Er. If you want to talk to Jjames, I suggest you actually, you know, place your comment under his? Cyberbob  Talk  01:26, 19 August 2006 (BST)

Lberceli

Added non-group comments to a group event page. It is my understanding that this is considered to be vandalism. Also, this post was signed as being from Thom Flask, which I believe either makes this a case of impersonation, or is an alt of Thom Flask's (which I am not claiming is the case). It is at the least vandalism and at worst impersonation. --Kiki Lottaboobs 16:19, 18 August 2006 (BST)

After a bit of digging it certianly looks like Lberceli is Thom Flask. He's been editing Thom's User Page a lot. So, if Thom and Lberceli are the same person, who gets the warning? --Kiki Lottaboobs 16:29, 18 August 2006 (BST)

Give a warning to both accounts--Gage • ASS 18:10, 18 August 2006 (BST)

Until we can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the accounts are run by the same person, I can't warn them both. If you don't like that, go nag Kevan and ask him to update MediaWiki and give us the IP checker extension; at the moment, the best I can do is warn Lberceli. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 19:10, 18 August 2006 (BST)

Why not just ask him? He seems the honest type. I'm willing to bet he just isn't up on all the rules yet. That doesn't mean he shouldn't be warned, I just don't think he's trolling.Jjames 19:35, 18 August 2006 (BST)

If it is not Thom Flask, then Lberceli has done lots and lots of impersonation. So has Thom for that matter. Here is Thom changing a Lberceli comment to his own. Then more Lberceli posting a few posts and sining them as Thom. Here's where Lberceli signed Thom up for the membership in the Faggots. More of the same (L posts as Thom). There are lots more, just check the contributions. Is there a rule about how many wiki accounts one user can have? Wouldn't that mean that warnings and banning is meaningless? I'm just bringing this to the floor, I'm not invested in how this turns out. Just thought everyone should know. --Kiki Lottaboobs 19:38, 18 August 2006 (BST)

The only concrete rules that I know of is that someone with more than one account can't use more than one account to vote on something, and that if someone creates an account to circumvent a warning or ban, the alt account should be permabanned. I agree that it's most likely the same person behind both, but since neither of those things are happening, and we can't check to make sure because the wiki software is out of date, I think our hands are pretty much tied. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 22:26, 18 August 2006 (BST)

Since we can't say for sure that these are the same people we could always treat it as impersonation, which this is, pure and simple.--Gage • ASS 00:20, 19 August 2006 (BST)

But if they are the same person (and you can't say for sure that they aren't) then how is it impersonation? Why not just try asking if they are the same person?Jjames 00:30, 19 August 2006 (BST)

Also, is it really fair to warn someone again if the behavior in question took place before the first warning? I mean how could he correct the behavior after the first warning? Travel back in time?Jjames 00:39, 19 August 2006 (BST)

Looks like a self-admission that Lberceli and Thom Flask are one and the same. I have linked their vandal records together so that any future infractions by one account will also affect the other. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 01:03, 19 August 2006 (BST)

Um, i think he was saying he was opposed to the group and added a comment. Just speculation.--Gold Blade 22:08, 19 August 2006 (BST)

I see two warnings for Thom, then a ban. What was the ban for? I only see the two vandal banning cases for him. For that matter, why warn someone for something they did without knowing the rule a second time. I can understand once, but if both edits were before the original warning, how are they supposed to correct the behavior? Doesn't that unfairly punish the new guys? Just an opinion.Jjames 00:46, 20 August 2006 (BST)

Lberceli

[2] This user vandalized my Specific Enemies in my personal page in an offensive manner. --Luigi Galleani 15:19, 18 August 2006 (BST)

Warned. Cyberbob  Talk  15:23, 18 August 2006 (BST)

Necro99

His vandalism is obvious. [3] --Luigi Galleani 15:19, 18 August 2006 (BST)

Warned. It would be a lot easier if you actually provided the diff comparison link... like this. Cyberbob  Talk  15:22, 18 August 2006 (BST)

Meowmeowmeow

vandalized the suggestion page--Gage • ASS 02:10, 18 August 2006 (BST)

and has turned my user page in to redirect... and my talk page. And alot of other shit. May god help us. --Gage • ASS 02:16, 18 August 2006 (BST)

Someone has GOT to permaban this sucker--Gage • ASS 02:21, 18 August 2006 (BST)

Permabanned, reverting vandalism. --Brizth ^{M T} 02:24, 18 August 2006 (BST)

My user and talk pages were moved and then... shit... I can't figure this out. He vandalized a lot of shit. --Gage • ASS 02:32, 18 August 2006 (BST)

Working on it... --Brizth ^{M T} 02:33, 18 August 2006 (BST)

First part done. --Brizth ^{M T} 02:49, 18 August 2006 (BST)

And done the rest, hopefully. Some cleanup still to do. --Brizth ^{M T} 03:38, 18 August 2006 (BST)

There goes the rest. --Brizth ^{M T} 04:15, 18 August 2006 (BST)

Someone deserves a medal =). --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 04:17, 18 August 2006 (BST)

I personally presented him with a cookie. --Darth Sensitive ^W! 04:49, 18 August 2006 (BST)

thanks, Brizth. That was a mess.--Gage • ASS 04:46, 18 August 2006 (BST)

Conndraka

I believe that as per the ruling here and here spamming talk pages with advertisements to join something is considered vandalism? Conndraka doing this is shown [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] and [14] As well as quite a few more shown here Special:Contributions/Conndraka --Tethran 17:06, 17 August 2006 (BST)

Get over it. --Gage • ASS 17:55, 17 August 2006 (BST)

This is on par with Codename V. Not good at all. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 17:58, 17 August 2006 (BST)

Darn it conndraka, you should have know better. Warned. --hagnat ^mod 18:26, 17 August 2006 (BST)

CharlieMarrow

He's at it again, all destroying my intellectual property.

It's so mean. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Scinfaxi (talk • contribs) .

Er...? This is an Arbitration matter. Cyberbob  Talk  09:33, 17 August 2006 (BST)

I do not think so. It is obviously vandalism. He is making statements on our event page AND stating an opinion about the event in question. It was clearly a bad faith edit. Scinfaxi 09:38, 17 August 2006 (BST)

Whups. I just noticed that it was on the front page of the event. Warned. Banned for 48 hours. Cyberbob  Talk  09:40, 17 August 2006 (BST)

A Bothan Spy, I would like to request that you re-consider this ruling. CharlieMarrow didn't destroy anything, he added to a conversation that Jjames started in a NPOV section. No one contends that Charlie brings up a contentious point when he said: "Quite surprising you held the rally in an abandoned & unbarricaded building containing 20 zombies, none of whom witnessed any speeches. Ah well, like many other things on this page, the meeting must also have been fictional." But, I think this vandalism report is just an attempt to silence NPOV dissent on a page that through formatting invites discussion. If banned, this means that any group can effectively create a page for an event and start a discussion there that no one can participate in without being banned. One could imagine a "Anti-your-group Event" where the entire content is to bait your-group into replying - for which they recieve warnings and bans. And the event doesn't even need to actually happen. This is not vandalism, A Bothan Spy, please reconsider. --Kiki Lottaboobs 11:28, 17 August 2006 (BST)

If he wanted to leave a comment, he should have left it on the talk page. Front pages of events/groups are offlimits to those not taking part/members.

Great wiki skills, by the way. Cyberbob  Talk  11:38, 17 August 2006 (BST)

So, if I had an alt who wanted to hold a "Cyberbob-Is-A-Terrible-Mod" event some time in 2009, then I could start an event page and have discussions with people on that page, and if you responded to that page, you'd agree that yon need to be warned and banned? Essentially, doesn't this ruling means that I can make a wiki page that you are not allowed to post on? --Kiki Lottaboobs 11:44, 17 August 2006 (BST)

Pretty much. I'd have to make comments on that page's talk page. Only people with permission to post on groups'/events' front pages may do so. Cyberbob  Talk  11:45, 17 August 2006 (BST)

Dang. I should have taken all the people to VB who kept screwing around with the Desk Sgt. stuff a few months ago. Well, it's too late now, and it was resolved. But quite annoying then. --Darth Sensitive ^W! 14:44, 17 August 2006 (BST)

J4m3z

Diff comparision –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 04:47, 17 August 2006 (BST)

Warned. - Jedaz 04:54, 17 August 2006 (BST)

Kkeke

Vandalized here some lexicon page.--Thari ^T/C/TJ! 17:45, 16 August 2006 (BST)

Permabanned (vandal alt). –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 19:59, 16 August 2006 (BST)

Tethran

Reverted a revert to stop a wiki war. Instead of leaving it at the original edit to stop further edits he decided to edit it back. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 17:05, 16 August 2006 (BST)

Uhhh. Have a look at the history. That was the first and only time I edited it. I hardly see how me changing it once constitutes an edit war. --Tethran 17:10, 16 August 2006 (BST)

You saw it was reverted back but despite the first warning of "Don't touch! Controversy!" you still edited it. As per Shore Hills incident, it get's reverted back to the original edit and does not get changed until after the report is settled. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 17:15, 16 August 2006 (BST)

If you can't agree on this - don't send it to vandalism. Send it to ARBITRATION! That's what it's for. --Darth Sensitive ^W! 17:21, 16 August 2006 (BST)

Sonny, I thought you said that you weren't going to update danger levels anymore. Essentially, isn't this the same conflict that you and I had over danger levels? That was shown not to be in bad faith, and without either of you posting screenshots, how can what one of you did be considered vandalism? I don't see this as vandalism, and I hope that we can at some point adress the funadmental definitons of the Danger Map's colors so we can move past the frequent disputes and M/VB reports. Also, and I don't want to seem confrontational here, if you are over-ruling edits that are faithful to the suburb key, for favor of your own personal interpretation of what the key should be, then aren't your edits closer to vandalism than theirs? I hope that doesn't come off as rude; I don't know a better way to put it. --Kiki Lottaboobs 17:23, 16 August 2006 (BST)

Kiki, I thought you said you were going to mind your own business. Oh wait...you didn't. Please, continue to speak in a conversation that has nothing to do with you. Please, do continue. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 17:26, 16 August 2006 (BST)

Suburb danger reports are everyone's buisness. If you don't like the way things work - change them. Start up a discussion that has real weight instead of a flame war. If you feel that things aren't going to be worked out simply - arbitrate it. Vandal reports and flaming and revert wars just make things worse. So be the solution. --Darth Sensitive ^W! 17:33, 16 August 2006 (BST)

The Lord is fast preparing a sodomy demon for Sonny's spot in Hell. Beware of the third penis. -- (The Lord God) † ^Pray 17:35, 16 August 2006 (BST)

I would have expected a divine being to know better than to set an example of trolling Vandal Banning. – Nubis ^NWO 19:36, 16 August 2006 (BST)

The Lord God knows Nubis fully realizes the response is to another's cruel trolling. -- (The Lord God) † ^Pray 01:29, 17 August 2006 (BST)

One would hope that the Lord God also knows that two wrongs don't make a right. Cyberbob  Talk  07:25, 17 August 2006 (BST)

The Lord God knows that some people only understand their own language. -- (The Lord God) † ^Pray 01:19, 18 August 2006 (BST)

This conflict will carry on here. --hagnat ^mod 18:19, 16 August 2006 (BST)

Saromu

Changing the danger level completely ignoring what others have seen in the suburb and also completely ignoring the guidelines on that page that define what very dangerous is. (And this after I thought he said he was going to leave the suburb danger levels alone.) --Tethran 16:51, 16 August 2006 (BST)

Just because you say it doesn't mean it's divine word. (I swear, if you even get in on this discussion God.) When there is a dispute in danger reports it stays the same to avoid an edit war. Cease and desist. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 16:59, 16 August 2006 (BST)

Doesn't that mean you should have left it at dangerous to avoid the edit war? --Tethran 17:02, 16 August 2006 (BST)

The first controversial edit was the Dangerous one. You sure like to only talk about things that boost yourself don't you? Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 17:03, 16 August 2006 (BST)

If you can't agree on this - don't send it to vandalism. Send it to ARBITRATION! That's what it's for. --Darth Sensitive ^W! 17:21, 16 August 2006 (BST)

Personally I thought the half dozen cases that Sonny brought here for a similar thing were enough of a precidence to bring one against him. Especially as at least one of those cases was only ruled not to be a vandalism because the user didn't know how the suburb danger page worked. Sonny does know how it works and is just ignoring the rules in an attempt to keep Ridleybank red. --Tethran 17:37, 16 August 2006 (BST)

This conflict will carry on here. --hagnat ^mod 18:21, 16 August 2006 (BST)

Kaylee Hans

I believe this edit is vandalism of the Upper Left Corner talk page. If not I apologise. Pillsy 16:43, 16 August 2006 (BST)

Usually you leave a link like this one.--Thari ^T/C/TJ! 16:46, 16 August 2006 (BST)

Oh dear god... An IE user! Hehheh... Also you could have just linked to the edit. But yeah... Changing other people's messages is considered vandalism. Tho he could start an arbitration case because of that "insult".. I think. Doesn't it work that way? --Niilomaan ^GRR! 16:51, 16 August 2006 (BST)

My bad, well if Kaylee wants to take this to arbitration I would have no qualms about it. Sorry bout the link though, bit tired after work. Pillsy 17:00, 16 August 2006 (BST)

Not warned. Given the nature of the edit (the user claims that he/she was being impersonated) and the inexperience of the user, based upon Special:Contributions/Kaylee Hans, I have decided to issue an unofficial warning and advised him/her not to engage in that behavior again. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 19:48, 16 August 2006 (BST)

Experiment

Edited a page that is not his after his edit was reverted once. Failed to realize the redundancy in his edit even after I fixed it. Still shouldn't be editing a page that is not his after it was reverted once. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 15:55, 16 August 2006 (BST)

Experiment added the text "Pinotnoir, finished off by a member of Oblivion Folder." under a heading that was formated for such an addition. You deleted it and then he added it again. Is this not supposed to be here? Why is this content being deleted? Pinotnoir is a memeber of the group DORIS, and as a member of the group, isn't he allowed to post on his group's page? Do you have a character who is in DORIS, Sonny? --Kiki Lottaboobs 17:36, 16 August 2006 (BST)

Pinotnoir is a character of someone already on the Martyr list. When I said redundancy I wasn't joking. Yes I have a character in that group, it is my page after all. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 17:39, 16 August 2006 (BST)

Moderator: Two questions. First, is "Pinotnoir" a separate character, or the generic name that Experiment goes by? Second, does DORIS allow multiple characters, if the answer to the first question is "a separate character"? –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 19:39, 16 August 2006 (BST)

Pinotnoir is not one of Experiment's characters. Pinotnoir is a character of a DORIS member already on the Martyr list. We do not name character names, just the person's name. So if my character died I would not place my character's name. Sonny Corleone would go there because I'm the person who got ganked. I reverted it since Pinotnoir and the person who owns that character would both be on the page. Redundant, yes? The character Xoid is not there but his character is. Experiment did not listen to the first revert for this. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 22:51, 16 August 2006 (BST)

Hm. After reviewing things again, I would say that this instance isn't vandalism. More likely Experiment simply doesn't understand things. I would bring it up on his talk page, and if he continues to make the edit after that, take him to arbitration, or if he does something worse, bring him up here again. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 23:21, 16 August 2006 (BST)

HJ

Diff comparision. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 10:50, 16 August 2006 (BST)

Warned. Cyberbob  Talk  10:53, 16 August 2006 (BST)

Lkalaa and Zxyers

Blanked the Vandal Banning page and Gods user page making them both un-accessible. - Jedaz 08:41, 16 August 2006 (BST)

Don't forget Coopldude editing Suggestions page and Supportter editing this page... Lkalaa actually edited the talk page. --Niilomaan ^GRR! 08:46, 16 August 2006 (BST)

Ok, got them. - Jedaz 08:50, 16 August 2006 (BST)

Steele Glovier

Vandalism! I want his head! [15] This is clearly bad faith. We even have TWO seperate areas for this. Scinfaxi 03:25, 16 August 2006 (BST)

give it up Scinfaxi, nobody thinks this is funny anymore. Who cares if this page gets vandalized, as it shall be deleted anyway. Quit shit stirring.--Gage • ASS 03:53, 16 August 2006 (BST)

Interesting case, but I wouldn't call it bad faith. I think a warning would be just fine for this case, though. No big deal so long as SG doesn't take liberties with anyone else's page. Of course, I'm just a regular member, not a mod. --Sirens^{T RR} 03:58, 16 August 2006 (BST)

It still sets a bad precedent. Rules are rules after all. Besides, there's still the possibility of a last minute rush of supporters. At any rate, hagnat was just recently warned for messing with a page about to be deleted and i think that precedent apllies here too. In my opinion, anyway.Jjames 04:02, 16 August 2006 (BST)

Yeah, there is still a chance of one last rush if you zerg it. --Gage • ASS 04:06, 16 August 2006 (BST)

I wouldn't zerg. If the wiki is willing to damage itself with censorship, let it.Jjames 04:11, 16 August 2006 (BST)

Warned. The fact that OWS will probably be deleted does not change the fact that this guy vandalized the page. It is impossible to speak for his motives, but what is possible to say is that he obviously violated our policies. Whether or not I like the page or person in question is irrelevant. I would enforce this rule the same if it happened on the ASS page, on Amazing's user page, on the Main Page, wherever. Rules are rules, no matter who breaks them or where. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 04:17, 16 August 2006 (BST)

I will say the guy IS new to our team, possibly new to the wiki - I haven't check his editing history, but I don't think it was in bad faith. he was just trying to do his part, is all. I know the rules, just wanted to get that out there. --Zod Rhombus 04:41, 16 August 2006 (BST)

Don't worry at all Zod, the possibility that the CDF endorsed his actions never even crossed my mind. I've been in the same situation you're in now, with one of ASS's members vandalizing, so I know very well from personal experience that it's next to impossible to ensure that all of a group's members behave properly, especially when they're new. (By the way, you should read the latest news on ASS's page.) –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 04:48, 16 August 2006 (BST)

If CDF does not want to be associated, the Lord God suggests someone from Creedy simply write a nice, amicable NPOV section for the OWS page. -- (The Lord God) † ^Pray 05:05, 16 August 2006 (BST)

He was referring to the CrossmanDF. Cyberbob  Talk  08:53, 16 August 2006 (BST)

I thought that, as this is a wiki, that if something was factually misleading it was up to all of us to maintain said factuality. If the CDF or its members in any way shape or form supported OWS, I wouldn't be a member. The fact that a page like OWS is even allowed on this page, or permitted in the game (as CDF has been broadcast as supporting this event) is shameful. I have been a moderator on several forums before. We never would have allowed this. I highly expect the moderating staff to act appropriately here.

It's a free wiki. If you don't like it, then go vote against it. If you want to correct something they said, then do it in their talk page (can be deleted) or your own pages. --Niilomaan ^GRR! 19:38, 16 August 2006 (BST)

User:Annonnemous

Disgused this edit as a revert. Similar to what happened to LoBo yesterday. --Max Grivas ^JG,T,P! 20:23, 15 August 2006 (BST)

I take a dim view of this sort of tomfoolery. Warned. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 03:35, 16 August 2006 (BST)

Lockettside

Bangadesh of the Kleptocracy decided to bring their feud with the Lockettside Boys by deleting them from the "known groups of this suburb" and replacing it with the name of their own group. While this is all quite juvenile behavior I still wanted to report this before things start spiralling out of control. --John Cannonfodder 10:54, 15 August 2006 (BST)

This edit? Vandalism, and as such Bangadesh will be warned. In the future, only use external links when necessary, and always provide a diff link. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 11:16, 15 August 2006 (BST)

Indeed, that particular edit. Sorry about the mistakes, I'll remember and learn... *grin* --John Cannonfodder 17:58, 15 August 2006 (BST)

Canuhearmenow

[16] Double vote on deletions page. Surely unprecedented censorship is bad enough without cheating added to it? --Jjames 06:55, 15 August 2006 (BST)

Strike the vote. Leave a note. Kiss a goat. Two of the previous things will help you here more than a vandalism report. So speaketh the Lord God. -- (The Lord God) † ^Pray 07:05, 15 August 2006 (BST)

I appreciate you right to state your opinion, but as you are not a moderator, I personally have no desire to see it. In your short career here, you have needlessly targeted people in irrational fueds. I do not wish to engage in one with you. I would prefer if you just leavew me alone so that it would be easier to ignore your offensive (in my opinion) gimmick. --Jjames 07:14, 15 August 2006 (BST)

The Lord God would be interested to see these 'fueds' linked on his talk page, should you be able to find some. -- (The Lord God) † ^Pray 18:47, 15 August 2006 (BST)

Give him a break. This doesn't look intentional.--Gage • ASS 07:08, 15 August 2006 (BST)

How could it be unintentional? How do you forget you voted on it? If he has a plausible explanation I would like to hear it. Otherwise, it seems like a case for vandal banning to me. --Jjames 07:14, 15 August 2006 (BST)

Not vandalism. With the crapload of votes there, it's easy to miss that you've already voted once. If this becomes a regular occurance, then take him to vandal banning. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 07:12, 15 August 2006 (BST)

Oops! Sorry about that. I guess I voted in the beginning and sort of forgot. Sorry.--Canuhearmenow 13:49, 16 August 2006 (BST)

God's true angle of wrath

owned -That's Why I did your Wife 06:04, 15 August 2006 (BST)

Permabanned. Other vandal alts permabanned:

• The holy warrior
• The true reaper

–Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 06:06, 15 August 2006 (BST)

owned to the third power of hammero-That's Why I did your Wife 06:07, 15 August 2006 (BST)

Gold Blade

humorous suggestion under Suggestions. This is warnable since in another case someone was warned for placing Humorous suggestions on the Suggestion page. See M1 Abram Tanks. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 02:52, 15 August 2006 (BST)

he realized the error of his ways though.--Gage • ASS 03:24, 15 August 2006 (BST)

The same thing happened with the M1 Abrams Tank suggestion. The person who made it realized the mistake and had it moved but was still warned. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 03:29, 15 August 2006 (BST)

I see a 24 hour ban in Gold Blade's future. --Gage • ASS 03:32, 15 August 2006 (BST)

Agreed. "6 ft by 6 ft by 12 ft dynamite stick explodes". If that is serious, then I'm King Tut. Banned for 24 hours. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 04:42, 15 August 2006 (BST)

Hi King Tut! Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 04:52, 15 August 2006 (BST)

King Tut, this is Queen Elizabeth I, and I am here to tell you that this suggestion was totally serious.--Gage • ASS 05:32, 15 August 2006 (BST)

B0ba Fett

Hello, I am reporting a vandalism case. I originially founded and created the group Iron Cross Brothers as well as the wiki that came with it. About one month ago when I did not know it, a user by the name of B0ba Fett came by out of nowhere and claimed the group for himself and began editing the wiki that I originally made. I didn't notice this until only recently, and I am now furious. This is a serious case, as he is doing illegitemate things with my group that I originally created, and there are players out there who think that the Iron Cross Brothers is completely his when in reality I DID NOT grant this person permission to do what he is doing. Therefore, I would like to request that the group page Iron Cross Brothers be reverted back to the last edit I did, and that the page is permanently locked so as to prevent vandalism such as this in the future. If any moderators could do this soon, that would be much appreciated. Please let me know what can happen and what can progress, thank you!! --Atomini 13:56, 14 August 2006 (BST)

Fuck. Just… fuck. Anyone see another CoL incident in the making? OK, this is going to be a two step process. Give me a minute. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 14:02, 14 August 2006 (BST)

I've done pretty much the same thing that ended up happening with the Council of Leaders now so that this doesn't devolve into a flamewar. Iron Cross Brothers (original) and Iron Cross Brothers (new). ICB redirects to Iron Cross Brothers, which now serves as a disambiguation page. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 14:14, 14 August 2006 (BST)

And I protected the Iron Cross Brothers (original), as requested. --Brizth ^{M T} 14:16, 14 August 2006 (BST)

Ah yes. Forgot that. Hopefully there isn't going to be that much drama around this time. Sigh. A true pain in the arse to ensure that the both pages kept their history. At least it's done now. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 14:21, 14 August 2006 (BST)

Thanks and I appreciate it. However, the logo and other icons such as the rank structure I created myself, and didn't give him permission for use. If possible, could they be removed? I have a feeling i'm asking too much, but if it can be done that would be great. --Atomini 15:17, 14 August 2006 (BST)

They could, but you'd need to indicate what you created, and what you poached from the history books. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 15:45, 14 August 2006 (BST)

The main logo and the rank insignias pretty much. I take credit for those. The rest was from the history books, as you said (the pictures of the soldiers)--Atomini 15:52, 14 August 2006 (BST)

Done. I'll notify them on their talk page about it. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 17:20, 14 August 2006 (BST)

God

Restored his custom page title, second violation. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 05:41, 14 August 2006 (BST)

The Lord points out that Policy allows this and offers his blessings, may ye return to the light of the Lord. -- (GOD) † ^Pray 05:42, 14 August 2006 (BST)

Warned. Cyberbob  Talk  05:44, 14 August 2006 (BST)

"In the case of custom page titles, page titles that serve a constructive purpose, so long as the custom titles are clearly in good faith and do not violate other policies. Examples would be extremely long titles being shortened, or users choosing to display names different than their user names (disallowing impersonation, or titles significantly unrelated to their user names, unless the unrelated titles are established as being synonymous with said users)."

The Lord looks forward to both Warnings removed. Blessings! -- (GOD) † ^Pray 05:45, 14 August 2006 (BST)

Changing the name of the page isn't good faith though. It's to trick people into thinking that's what it's really called. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 05:49, 14 August 2006 (BST)

The Lord disagrees and requests you provide proof of bad faith or proof that it was meant to mislead. Bless you, my son. -- (GOD) † ^Pray 05:50, 14 August 2006 (BST)

You covered the title with your own. Someone going on the page would think that is the title when it is not. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 05:52, 14 August 2006 (BST)

It is now clear to the Lord God that you have no understanding of what a 'custom title' is, which is mentioned in the policy. The Lord humbly requests you ask another mortal. -- (GOD) † ^Pray 05:59, 14 August 2006 (BST)

Precident says that he's allowed, check here. God's title is closer to that of bannana bear's.--The General ^{T Sys U! P! F!} 06:13, 14 August 2006 (BST)

I will have to agree. If Banana Bear is allowed, this has to be. --Gage 06:16, 14 August 2006 (BST)

I don't. Banana Bear sign is the exact text of his page title. God's sign is not. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 06:17, 14 August 2006 (BST)

unless the unrelated titles are established as being synonymous with said users - isn't God the same as The Lord God?--Gage 06:19, 14 August 2006 (BST)

Out of context. And his Talk page title is still out of reach of any kind of explanation. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 06:21, 14 August 2006 (BST)

No more than "Gage" is the same as "Engaged." –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 06:21, 14 August 2006 (BST)

The Antichrist misleads the public by failing to provide a realistic comparison. "Gage" is close enough to "Gage the Cool Guy" for it to be an acceptable custom title. -- (GOD) † ^Pray 06:26, 14 August 2006 (BST)

This cannot be allowed just like how Grim could not do it because another user came around and named himself Grim. It's supposed to be what you signed up as so that it doesn't trick people. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 06:28, 14 August 2006 (BST)

But Bannana bear is allowed to change his? By your logic, he should not be.--The General ^{T Sys U! P! F!} 06:32, 14 August 2006 (BST)

Banana Bear began signing using his new title. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 06:35, 14 August 2006 (BST)

Also, Banana Bear started signing during the transition period, thus he had grace time to establish precedent. God started after the grace period ended. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 06:36, 14 August 2006 (BST)

The Lord God notes that you say that users may not change their name at all. The Policy makes note that names can't be too far off the original name. The policy text proves you wrong. There is no grace period for correct usage of custom titles. -- (GOD) † ^Pray 06:37, 14 August 2006 (BST)

When the policy was enacted there was a grace period of 1-2 weeks (I don't remember) to modify your personal pages so they fit the policy before there was any action to be taken on the Vandal Banning page. He's talking about that. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 06:44, 14 August 2006 (BST)

The Lord will not repeat himself again. There is no grace period for correct usage. -- (GOD) † ^Pray 06:49, 14 August 2006 (BST)

You miss the point: Custom titles are to be used as a service to community, shortening long titles and signaling people by what name does the user go: They're not there to be used for your own amusement. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 06:30, 14 August 2006 (BST)

Banana Bear. -- (GOD) † ^Pray 06:37, 14 August 2006 (BST)

Is that supposed to be an outstanding attempt to prove your point? Banana Bear's userpage title leads users to know that he goes by the sign "Thats Why I did Your Wife". There's nothing misleading there. Thus it's a service to the community. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 06:42, 14 August 2006 (BST)

Hm. That's got me thinking. Maybe I should put "A Bothan Spy" at the top of my page. Cyberbob  Talk  06:47, 14 August 2006 (BST)

It wuold be OK for you to do it, as I could put "Matthew Fahrenheit" instead of my actual user name "Matthewfarenheit". --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 06:50, 14 August 2006 (BST)

The Lord does not attempt to prove the point. The Lord has proved the point. -- (GOD) † ^Pray 06:49, 14 August 2006 (BST)

This mere mortal humbly suggests that the Lord God go back to Sunday school, as he is only making himself look foolish in front of all the worshippers. Cyberbob  Talk  06:51, 14 August 2006 (BST)

The Lord suggests Cyberbob go back to charm school. -- (The Lord God) † ^Pray 06:54, 14 August 2006 (BST)

I think that"Examples would be extremely long titles being shortened, or users choosing to display names different than their user names (disallowing impersonation, or titles significantly unrelated to their user names, unless the unrelated titles are established as being synonymous with said users)." is pretty clear. God chooses to display a name different than his user name (not impersonation, and not a title significantly unrelated to their user name). In fact, most of the policies I've seen reinforce how lax the rules are on your own user page. Is this just a way to get back at God for something? Aren't there better examples of vandalism on this wiki than God's addition to his own user page? --Kiki Lottaboobs 09:10, 14 August 2006 (BST)

Lottaboobs, my child. This is indeed retaliation for reporting Operation White Storm for deletion as well as reminding hagnat of the wiki guidelines. The Lord can withstand the slings and arrows of angry straying mortals, however. He has done so for a very long time. -- (The Lord God) † ^Pray 17:56, 14 August 2006 (BST)

You guys do know that no matter what you say, the warnings stand? You can keep going if you like, but it'd be wasted. Cyberbob  Talk  22:41, 15 August 2006 (BST)

The Lord God wonders if you will personally issue warnings to users that properly make use of custom titles. "The Lord God" is similar enough to "God" to be correct usage. Bless you, my child. -- (The Lord God) † ^Pray 23:58, 15 August 2006 (BST)

God

He is in violation of the wiki policy stating that out-of-page text may not be edited. Check out his talk page. Cyberbob  Talk  05:24, 14 August 2006 (BST)

Both his user page and his user talk page are in violation with the policy. Even if we take into revelance the fact that the policy allows people to change the name of pages, this is not the case, since the way this was done make it looks like an ordinary page. Warned. --hagnat ^mod 05:29, 14 August 2006 (BST)

The Lord God asks you read the policy and discover it was not against said policy. Bless you. -- (GOD) † ^Pray 05:40, 14 August 2006 (BST)

"It has been explicitly noted that User: and User talk: pages are the sole property of that particular user (so, User:Odd Starter and User talk:Odd Starter are both sole property of Odd Starter). As such, Users are free to do whatever they wish to their user pages..."-Specific Case Editing Guidelines It's God's Talk page. --Kiki Lottaboobs 09:16, 14 August 2006 (BST)

Take some time to read M/PD. Being familiar with the policies really helps you look like you know what you're talking about. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 19:24, 15 August 2006 (BST)

I followed your link, and after some digging I think I see what you are referring to, but I think there might have been a better way to say it, Bob. Perhaps like this:
"There is a policy in UDWiki:Moderation/Policy Discussion/Prohibiting Content Outside of the Normal Page Area that essentially states that users can only edit the parts of a page that come up normally when they click the edit button."
I'm sure you didn't intend it, but your comments came off sounding splenetic. I would like to say that I did read the pertinant policy and will review those policies that have been accepted. As you surely know, this is a learning process, and I haven't been here as long as you have. In light of the policies ratified in UDWiki:Moderation/Policy Discussion/Prohibiting Content Outside of the Normal Page Area, it looks clear that God violated this policy. It's unfortunate, because I really don't see why this would be a problem, but these rules were ratified by vote. I withdraw my obection.--Kiki Lottaboobs 21:53, 15 August 2006 (BST)

I apologize if I came across as rude, but I have felt as though ever since I brought up DEMON to the CFT, you have been harping on many of my actions and statements. Perhaps I am incorrect, but that's the feeling I've gotten. I certainly hope that we can maintain an amicable relationship, though, because I hold nothing against you. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 22:01, 15 August 2006 (BST)

I'd like that, Bob. I truly would. Like I said, though, I'm still new and I don't pretend to know it all. But, this isn't about the CFT, I just reviewed this report and weighed in I hope I don't give off the axe to grind vibe. No malice towards anyone was intended. --Kiki Lottaboobs 22:20, 15 August 2006 (BST)

Not to worry. Everyone here started out as a newbie, many of us with our fair share of drama, even. :P If you have any questions, feel free to ask me (my talk page is probably the best place to get my attention). –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 00:26, 16 August 2006 (BST)

Koppie

Spamming group talk pages . Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 18:52, 13 August 2006 (BST)

this is ridiculous- if someone wants to get group members, how are they supposed to get them without leaving a snippet on someone's talk page? This caused no trouble, and the first edit was on a USER TALK PAGE, not a group page. If this guy gets warned we might as well make being a well-intentioned noob illegal--Gage 00:52, 14 August 2006 (BST)

Sorry, I must go with Gage on this one.--Canuhearmenow 00:54, 14 August 2006 (BST)

Reptileus and Codename V were warned for the same reason. Are you saying they shouldn't have been warned? Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 00:56, 14 August 2006 (BST)

If I recall correctly, both of the users you mentioned were leaving comments on a scale much larger than this. I believe that Codename V continued to spam the pages after he was asked to stop. This is totally different. --Gage 01:22, 14 August 2006 (BST)

That's why you have a warning to tell the person not to spam pages. You don't ban someone on their first offence. You warn them first, then twice, then you ban for 24 hours, then 48, etc. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 01:23, 14 August 2006 (BST)

Like I said, this is ridiculous. This shouldn't have even been reported to M/VB. You should have asked him to stop, and then if he continued, gotten a mod to ask him to stop then report him here. This kind of crap is the reason I created the Wiki Gestapo.--Gage 01:28, 14 August 2006 (BST)

Codename V spammed over 80 pages, after he had been informally warned that spamming multiple pages with his group propaganda was not a proper way of doing things. Reptileus was... well, actually I don't know why he was warned the first time. It was only some 30 pages and no previous warnings. Of course he then decided continue spamming after the warning which obviously was stupid and V/B worthy.

In this case Koppie left a message to four (4) group pages + one (1) user talk page. If that was enough for warning I might as well block the whole wiki population (i.e. No Warning) --Brizth ^{M T} 01:53, 14 August 2006 (BST)

How about an unofficial warning so that he doesn't spam 30 pages to get in trouble. I'd rather avoid problems than have to deal with them later. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 01:55, 14 August 2006 (BST)

Fair enough. I'll drop him a line. --Brizth ^{M T} 01:59, 14 August 2006 (BST)

This is the second time I've beaten Sonny in moderation, and this time I didn't even need to try. I wasn't spamming, I was contacting selected groups that my group wants to work with. I also emailed several groups and posted on chatrooms when appropriate. I posted on user talk pages or group talk pages when there wasn't a better way to reach that particular group.

My thanks to the UD wiki community for standing up for me in the face of Sonny's continued childish aggression. --Koppie 18:26, 14 August 2006 (BST)

Beat me? I was doing you a favor. I asked for you to be unofficially warned so that it doesn't explode into a big Codname V thing. This is like pulling a guy out of oncoming traffic and him yelling at you for saving him. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 21:55, 14 August 2006 (BST)

Marmosetmarmolade

Vandalized this user page --Thari ^T/C/TJ! 05:42, 13 August 2006 (BST)

Permabanned. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 05:55, 13 August 2006 (BST)

Marmosetmarmolade

Vandalised twice The Abandoned's page. Cyberbob  Talk  05:40, 13 August 2006 (BST)

Did it again. Cyberbob  Talk  05:46, 13 August 2006 (BST)

NOTE: This user has also uploaded a number of offensive images. Check its contributions. Cyberbob  Talk  05:50, 13 August 2006 (BST)

Scinfaxi

Deleted my comments here. He removed part of his here afterward, but ALL of mine. --Zod Rhombus 05:38, 13 August 2006 (BST)

He said he believed that those type of comments don't belong on a location page. They aren't intended for a group specific POV, but inforamtion about who uses the area, conditions, and events. This seems like a good faith edit to me, but thats just my opinion.Jjames 19:34, 13 August 2006 (BST)

Blanking someone else's comments on a community page is not a good faith edit, it is vandalism. --Zod Rhombus 19:46, 13 August 2006 (BST)

It is if the comment doesn't belong there. And scinfaxi's intent on that point is clear. It's not like he's deleted any of your other comments. He obviously just thought that one was in the wrong place. Hence, it's good faith. In my opinion anyway.Jjames 19:55, 13 August 2006 (BST)

Information was relevant to the event at the PD, making it relevant to the page. Vandalism. --Zod Rhombus 20:13, 13 August 2006 (BST)

Not vandalism. The Crossman PD location page is not the place for discussion by either side of this particular speculative future event. If the event actually takes place, then neutral commentary on its nature may be placed there. For the moment, both the notice about the event taking place, and the CDF's statement on it, should be removed or moved to the Faggots/OWS/CDF pages. This should be done by the same people who placed the comments there in the first place. Please don't make me do it for you. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 20:13, 13 August 2006 (BST)

Agree, the page is used for the Building, not a group statment.--Canuhearmenow 20:15, 13 August 2006 (BST)

Done. --Zod Rhombus 20:26, 13 August 2006 (BST)

Much appreciated. Thanks. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 21:03, 13 August 2006 (BST)

The Lord disagrees. This was the defintion of vandalism. Had it not been used for Racist matters, the Lord might not care. Location pages are widely used for news reporting and include plenty of POV information across the wiki. The Lord asks Bob Hammero to provide some sort of reason as to why one may vandalize a page and not be warned. Either this mortal vandalized the page by removing another mortal's comment, or he vandalized by placing his original comment in the first place. The Lord ask which warning applies. -- (GOD) † ^God 21:33, 13 August 2006 (BST)

Just a note, the White Pride event information still has not been taken down at this time. --Zod Rhombus 00:01, 15 August 2006 (BST)

Removed it myself. Scinfaxi and Jjames, you disappoint me. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 01:50, 15 August 2006 (BST)

God would do best to keep his nose out of this matter, since God is not an experienced wiki user and is not a moderator. Bob Hammero does not owe God a goddamn thing. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 01:50, 15 August 2006 (BST)

It is the Lord's understanding that users are free to comment on cases. Bless you, my son. -- (The Lord God) † ^Pray 02:05, 15 August 2006 (BST)

But there is a difference between commenting and making it your business to give your opinion as if it is an official statement of a moderator. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 02:09, 15 August 2006 (BST)

The Lord God has no "Mod" link. Is this perhaps the beginnings of a "mod impersonation" report? -- (The Lord God) † ^Pray 02:14, 15 August 2006 (BST)

Giving your opinion as if it is the final say is not allowed. It isn't impersonation. Instead we call it "not minding your own fucking business". Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 02:17, 15 August 2006 (BST)

Reptileus

Again. He did it again. Spammed group talk pages. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 15:39, 12 August 2006 (BST)

Banned for 24 hours. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 15:45, 12 August 2006 (BST)

CharlieMarrow

Altering my comments. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 13:06, 12 August 2006 (BST)

Banned for 24 hours. The wiki is not censored at all; if you want someone to stop swearing, you're going to have to ask them to do so instead of simply editing their comments. Cyberbob  Talk  13:48, 12 August 2006 (BST)

Luigi Galleani

Further added to the vandalism already perpetuated on the page. Diff comparision –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 10:55, 12 August 2006 (BST)

Warned. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 18:08, 12 August 2006 (BST)

Jeffpowers

He did this. It's not even his own text.. He copied it from few lines above. He has called himself this "Slider" two times already.. Maybe a warning and welcome? --Niilomaan ^GRR! 08:53, 12 August 2006 (BST)

Seems like a newbie. I have informed him of the problem. No warning will be issued. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 11:01, 12 August 2006 (BST)

CharlieMarrow

Continued vandalism of my heroic efforts. Scinfaxi 00:00, 12 August 2006 (BST)

This is the diff comparison.--Gage 01:14, 12 August 2006 (BST)

Warned. Next time please give me a diff link (thanks, Gage). –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 01:16, 12 August 2006 (BST)

No problem--Gage 02:06, 12 August 2006 (BST)

MOtor H

Vandalism of this page. --Darth Sensitive ^W! 23:33, 11 August 2006 (BST)

Banned for infinity. --Brizth ^{M T} 00:20, 12 August 2006 (BST)

Matthewfarenheit

Impersonation and here too Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 15:40, 11 August 2006 (BST)

Ok, this is just petty. The first he is fixing a link, which is NOT a bad thing to do. The second is a page cleanup. Grow the fuck up and act like an adult. --Grim s-^{Mod U!} 15:46, 11 August 2006 (BST)

I don't see the problem here. --Kiki Lottaboobs 19:30, 11 August 2006 (BST)

How amusing to find myself on M/VB! I always keep my edits as clean as possible and following the deffinition of "good faith edits". Anyways, I appreciate the vindictive effort from Sonny, these edits sure were hard to find. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 20:39, 11 August 2006 (BST)

Game master

Minor vandalising edit, that was most likely unintentional. Also that "The voice of Kevan" was removed by the man himself. So can you least warn this guy for being stupid? --Niilomaan ^GRR! 12:48, 11 August 2006 (BST)

Not warned in the official sense, but if he adds it again without a good explanation he deserves a warning. --Brizth ^{M T} 13:09, 11 August 2006 (BST)

You wouldn't happen to know how those apostrophes got all fu**ed up? I fixed them but... --Niilomaan ^GRR! 13:40, 11 August 2006 (BST)

Could be some fucked up browser/font that doesn't recognise them and replaces them with question marks. That's the only solution I can come up with. --Brizth ^{M T} 17:11, 11 August 2006 (BST)

Isn't using fucked up browser as good reason as any for a warning? I thought that it was the standard procedure for all IE 6 users? --Niilomaan ^GRR! 17:38, 11 August 2006 (BST)

Saromu

Impersonation on the Suburb page. It's rather minor, but he should know that that's wrong already. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 03:06, 11 August 2006 (BST)

I agree. Changing someone else's reports is just wrong. No matter how minor. --Niilomaan ^GRR! 12:42, 11 August 2006 (BST)

This wasn't minor, it changed the entire meaning of the sentence.--Gage 14:19, 11 August 2006 (BST)

That's not impersonation. If the guy said "20 zombies from the group Caiger Mall Survivors" people would change it because it's wrong. I know those zombies there. Brotherhood of the Shadow. Impersonation would be me saying "Lolz, I hate Saromu so I'm going to make a false Vandal Report." -- User:Matthewfarenheit" But I didn't. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 15:28, 11 August 2006 (BST)

This was not a bad faith edit. It was however, a poor choice of how to get a point across. Sonny, do not change what someone says, instead comment beneath them with a correction. If you correct further comments however without replying to them yourself, I will consider them bad faith edits. But for now, no warning. – Nubis ^NWO 15:51, 11 August 2006 (BST)

And just to clarify, this definitely was impersonation as we know it on UDWiki. You changed someone's signed comment (or more specifically, it's actual content). Fixing links or wiki markup doesn't fall under this, but you did neither. --Brizth ^{M T} 17:08, 11 August 2006 (BST)

Good thing the Lord's "impersonation" warning did not stick, otherwise... -- (GOD) † 18:01, 11 August 2006 (BST)

Thomas mill8

Horric vandalism to a peaceful events page.--Scinfaxi 22:02, 10 August 2006 (BST)

That should be put up for deletion, and rest assured my son... Thou art headed for Satan's lap. -- (GOD) † 01:20, 11 August 2006 (BST)

What is the ""diff" comparison? --Darth Sensitive ^W! 01:22, 11 August 2006 (BST)

I believe that this is the edit in question--Gage 01:57, 11 August 2006 (BST)

The edit is beneath "Groups intending to shoot Scinfaxi if he does this" so the Lord God deems this to be a mistake due to vague page layout and instructions. The decision of weather or not that is vandalism shall be left to the mortals. -- (GOD) † 01:59, 11 August 2006 (BST)

Honestly, God, your opinion has no more weight here than any other user, and this is pretty obviously vandalism. He didn't add this beneath anything, he added a whole other category to the group page.--Gage 03:14, 11 August 2006 (BST)

That doesn't look like a group page to me. Granted, it is an event hosted by one group, but that isn't the same thing. The changes made to the page don't look like vandalism, in any case. I wouldn't protest the information Thomas mill8 added being moved to another location, but this is a wiki: and topics should be linked to similar topics, as well as topics directly opposed to them. --Kiki Lottaboobs 04:35, 11 August 2006 (BST)

Vandalism. The heading was not placed under the "groups opposed", it was placed at the bottom. Thomas has been warned as a result. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 10:52, 12 August 2006 (BST)

CharlieMarrow

The Operation White Storm page (I don't approve of them, but this is still vandalism) was replaced with the Operation Black Storm's contents, by CharlieMarrow, as shows the history of the page. I reverted it back but I don't think vandalism should be taken lightly. -Certified=Insane_UG 19:53, 10 August 2006 (BST)

Warned. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 20:00, 10 August 2006 (BST)

MrAushvitz

Removed a short conversation that he didn't like on the suggestions page. I would have accepted moving it to the talk page or striking the conversation, but he never did that.--Gage 02:06, 10 August 2006 (BST)

I decided the additional comments on removing my own suggestion was unwarranted and needed removal. However the 1st time I did strike it out, and as you can see.. more people added comments. The suggestions page is for new ideas, to be voted on, and when removed, that's it. I would not have done so if the user in question was a mod.. however they were not. A waste of space on the Wiki, if my own suggestions waste space I remove them. Troll comments added after the fact get the boot. I have seen mods do this before... "It is your responsibility to be a mature editor" BTW I don't even know how to move comments to the talk page feel free to message me the link that shows all these nessesary editing commands. MrAushvitz02:28, 10 August 2006 (BST)

Comments cannot be deleted all willy nilly just because one disagrees with them. Can you copy and paste? Then you can move something to the talk page. You were aware of the precedent, don't play dumb. --Gage 02:32, 10 August 2006 (BST)

Vandalism.--The General ^{T Sys U! P! F!} 03:08, 10 August 2006 (BST)

Then warn him =). --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 03:17, 10 August 2006 (BST)

He did. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 05:42, 10 August 2006 (BST)

Dontworry'boutit

Impersonation on his first and only edit. May be a vandal alt of the user "impersonated". --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 00:49, 10 August 2006 (BST)

More vandalism. Sigh. --Darth Sensitive ^W! 01:39, 10 August 2006 (BST)

Now, looking at his Contributions, he's looking more and more like the vandal alt of Anon. It's Moderators day today? because everyone seems offline. I wish I were a mod, and guidelines were different... one dream at a time =) --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 01:42, 10 August 2006 (BST)

Warned. - Jedaz 04:48, 10 August 2006 (BST)

Officer Johnieo

Vandalised the suggestion page here and here -Tauron^CFT 22:57, 9 August 2006 (BST) EDIT: It seems that he himself removed in the first link his first act of vandalism here

Could you provide a diff link please? I'm lazy and don't want to check the history to see what he actually did. --Brizth ^{M T} 23:24, 9 August 2006 (BST)

I only found this one. Other one was the same and he fixed it himself. For some reason it needed to be repeated. --Niilomaan ^GRR! 23:49, 9 August 2006 (BST)

Ok, got it, thanks. Doesn't look much like vandalism, more like complete lack of understanding of wiki markup. And signatures. And general wiki conduct. He needs Project Welcome member watching over him. Fortunately I left that post a month ago. --Brizth ^{M T} 00:06, 10 August 2006 (BST)

Legend X

Legend X broke this ruling on this page. -That's Why I did your Wife 22:36, 9 August 2006 (BST)

I can confirm this as neither user was to contact the other for one month following my ruling yesterday. This was a deliberate breach of the ruling on my talk page. -- Krazy Monkey ^W! 23:03, 9 August 2006 (BST)

Could you please provide a diff link? Yes, I'm lazy as hell. --Brizth ^{M T} 23:23, 9 August 2006 (BST)

here you go. Lazy bones. -That's Why I did your Wife 23:40, 9 August 2006 (BST)

Thank you :D Now to read the ruling... --Brizth ^{M T} 23:43, 9 August 2006 (BST)

Ok, seems to be quite clear violation of the ruling. I might not agree with the ruling itself, but that's just me. He seems to have been already banned for... 48 hours?! Right. One week it is then. Banned for 1 Week --Brizth ^{M T} 23:58, 9 August 2006 (BST)

It is clear. He let Banana Bear's whining get to him. He apologizes to everyone involved and accepts his fate. Octi 1 19:18, 10 August 2006 (BST)

Spag89

Diff comparision. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 06:57, 9 August 2006 (BST)

Warned. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 08:22, 9 August 2006 (BST)

God

Impersonation. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 19:22, 8 August 2006 (BST)

Ok... you goading him into that's a bit low... --Darth Sensitive ^W! 19:27, 8 August 2006 (BST)

Really? I find this rather funny. --Niilomaan ^GRR! 19:31, 8 August 2006 (BST)

Funny? Kinda. Right? Not so much. --Darth Sensitive ^W! 20:28, 8 August 2006 (BST)

Did I encourage him? Yes. Was it stupid that he took me up on it? Yes. Any fool would know not to do that, supposed "God" or not. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 20:43, 8 August 2006 (BST)

He told him he would get the warning, give it to him!--Gage 22:21, 8 August 2006 (BST)

I agree with Gage on this one.--Canuhearmenow 22:26, 8 August 2006 (BST)

Not Impersonation when the text clearly explains the post, is it? If it is Impersonation, does that mean that since Bob told him to do it that he is an accessory to the act? --Kiki Lottaboobs 22:56, 8 August 2006 (BST)

Warn him. Do it. If I say that I'm vandalizing while I'm vandalizing I'm still vandalizing. Also, If I told you to jump off the roof and you did, its not the same as if I pushed you. Also, everyone here please jump off a roof. I am a Nigerian Banker and a wealthy foreign businessman died recently leaving no heir. In order to claim this large sum of money, please jump off the roof. -That's Why I did your Wife 23:30, 8 August 2006 (BST)

*jumps off roof* Oops, I'm still a dumbass! Warn him.--Gage 23:59, 8 August 2006 (BST)

No, Kiki, it is still impersonation, as Banana Bear explained. And no, it does not mean that I'm an accessory to the act, although it doesn't surprise me that you suggest that, since you've been out for my blood ever since I brought up the DEMON problem on the CFT page. What it means is that the person behind the "God" account is either very stupid, very arrogant, or both. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 00:16, 9 August 2006 (BST)

Or thinks it is funny. God is not me. I am not God. I mean, the account named god isn't me. I still am owed worship and tithe. -That's Why I did your Wife 00:44, 9 August 2006 (BST)

I'm not out for your blood, Bob; I didn't level charges, I was asking for clarification. Please, this isn't personal. I honeslty believe that GOD's intent is clear in the post, but if that is technically Impersonation, then that's against the rules. And just to be clear, telling someone else to break the rules is perfectly allowable. Precedent is now set. --Kiki Lottaboobs 01:56, 9 August 2006 (BST)

Uh huh. Right. And whenever someone makes a grammatical mistake, precedent is set to make that allowable. Hurr. Please stop trolling. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 02:10, 9 August 2006 (BST)

Bob, I'm not trolling, I'm just trying to figure it out. I'll just leave this one alone. Sorry to offend. --Kiki Lottaboobs 04:41, 9 August 2006 (BST)

If we let him off it will set a precedent of worship, and we don't want his ego to get any larger than it already is.--Gage 00:56, 9 August 2006 (BST)

Right, C'mon, lets warn God to knock it off or else... (Damn, Dead Rising comes out August 9th.)--Canuhearmenow 00:58, 9 August 2006 (BST)

Warned. Oh, by the way: I am a Nigerian banker and a wealthy foreign businessman died recently leaving no heir. In order to claim this large sum of money, please vandalise this wiki. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 03:32, 9 August 2006 (BST)

The Lord requests a retraction of said warning, since it is know that Bob Hammero specifically requested this and there was no vandalism. The Lord hopes this goes no further and looks forward to a speedy retraction. Bless you. -- (GOD) † 04:42, 9 August 2006 (BST)

Somebody already made that point God. Nice try. --Gage 04:51, 9 August 2006 (BST)

And the Lord deems it to be no less true upon second utterance, my son. -- (GOD) † 04:58, 9 August 2006 (BST)

I'm willing to retract the warning because it wasn't malicious in intent. You can't say that you weren't warned though, so Bob still wins the argument. Let me remind you, admitting that you are doing something wrong is not a defence; it is merely the lack of a malicious nature within the edit that lets you go without a warning. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 04:59, 9 August 2006 (BST)

And stop talking of yourself in 3^rd person, it just looks lame. Everyone here knows that you're just a person with no life playing a character, you're not better than anybody. Altough... "Matthew Farenheit forsees no change of attitude" =P. Also, don't call anyone your son anymore unless, of course, he is ^_^ --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 05:02, 9 August 2006 (BST)

Sonny thinks you're wrong. 3rd person FTW! 1st person FTL. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 05:05, 9 August 2006 (BST)

The good deeds here shall be rewarded in the Kingdom of Heaven, my son. The rest of you... not so much. Your Lord God accepts the terms of this retraction and reminds all mortal men that he works in mysterious ways. -- (GOD) † 05:07, 9 August 2006 (BST)

Should have been warned Xoid... =( --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 05:10, 9 August 2006 (BST)

I agree. He is as funny as an avatar that constantly says "Rape Rape Rape". And that isn't funny. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 05:12, 9 August 2006 (BST)

Yes it is. -That's Why I did your Wife 05:15, 9 August 2006 (BST)

At least he's less likely to induce seizures. --Jimbo Bob ^ASS•U! 05:17, 9 August 2006 (BST)

Hey God:

	Oh Snap!
	Someone just got served!

I fucking pwned you. :D –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 05:18, 9 August 2006 (BST)

Or did you? Think about it. Template:PoopLessPlease -- (GOD) † 05:20, 9 August 2006 (BST)

Oh snap! Someone just got served. It's on now. Both of you are going to have to have a dance off. You and your crew. God, you must pick a crew. Bob, you too much pick a crew for the dance off. 5 people a crew, that means each of you must pick 4 people. It's on! Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 05:21, 9 August 2006 (BST)

Oh oh... This could be good. Especially if it goes all West Side Story. I've cleared a space for the contest here. --Darth Sensitive ^W! 05:28, 9 August 2006 (BST)

The Lord selects Xoid, (specialty, the Robot) Sonny Corleone, (specialty, the Jersey Whirl) Kiki Lottaboobs, (specialty, boobs) and Banana Bear 4 (specialty, baking). -- (GOD) † 05:36, 9 August 2006 (BST)

I think Xoid, Banana Bear, and I are going o be on Bob's side if he chooses us. He has the upper hand in serving after all. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 05:38, 9 August 2006 (BST)

I think Bob will have a whole horde dancing from him, and God... well, he can just talk as if a whole lot of angels and seraphims were at his side dancing heavenly... --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 05:40, 9 August 2006 (BST)

Not allowed. Only The Gloved One is allowed to have a whole horde of dancing zombies. Bob will be stuck with 5 people. --Darth Sensitive ^W! 05:48, 9 August 2006 (BST)

The Lord wonders if that would not constitute a conflict of interest as he has already imparted upon thee the most divine dance moves and techniques in the Universe. -- (GOD) † 05:47, 9 August 2006 (BST)

Dancing bears were medieval bear slaves and circus slaves in fezes. I resent this attack by god. consider this the official proclamation of misconbitration on god for bear racism. Its really on now.-That's Why I did your Wife 05:53, 9 August 2006 (BST)

At the risk of throwing the wiki into massive confusion and threatening the fabric of the universe itself, I will dance for Bob's team. I mean, how many times can you say,' I won a dance off against God?' --Zod Rhombus 10:20, 9 August 2006 (BST)

Hang on, Zod - I'm pretty sure there's some more shit that's supposed to happen with Israel before the Apocalypse. That out of the way, the fact that I have been known to bust dance moves which cause spontaneous nudity in of-age females within a 50-mile radius (give or take a zero or two) compels me to offer my aid in this particular contest. Compels me, I say. --Jimbo Bob ^ASS•U! 11:28, 9 August 2006 (BST)

Something tells me that the current award for "most inappropriate use of the vandal banning page" is going to have to be conceeded at this rate. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 11:58, 9 August 2006 (BST)

Oh yes, but it has just begun. I select Banana Bear, Xoid, Sonny, and Jimbo for my dance team. Zod gets to judge, however. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 19:22, 9 August 2006 (BST)

That works. My kickass dance moves might've offended God with their awesomeness, and I don't want to bring about the universe's destruction. --Zod Rhombus 03:49, 10 August 2006 (BST)

If we get one more judge, we can start this shindig. Any volunteers? --Darth Sensitive ^W! 04:42, 10 August 2006 (BST)

I'll do it. After all, I think we can all agree that anyone who can do "the Boneless" is perfectly trustworthy when it comes to conflicts of interest. Perfectly, perfectly trustworthy. --Jimbo Bob ^ASS•U! 05:59, 10 August 2006 (BST)

You're in and on the page. Let's get funky y'all! --Darth Sensitive ^W! 06:39, 10 August 2006 (BST)

Scratch that... You're already listed on Bob's team. That isn't quite fair. --Darth Sensitive ^W! 06:42, 10 August 2006 (BST)

...We have a page for this? Why is this the first I've been informed of this? Also, I'd've thought the whole "conflict of interest" bit (or, failing that, looking up another half-inch) would've tipped you off. I've missed more obvious things than that myself, though, so I suppose I don't really have much room to talk. --Jimbo Bob ^ASS•U! 10:44, 10 August 2006 (BST)

On my second reading, I realized that. And the page was the 2nd message after the 2nd template. Get with the program! --Darth Sensitive ^W! 19:12, 10 August 2006 (BST)

This case makes me laugh. Amazing, isn't it? – Nubis ^NWO 19:36, 9 August 2006 (BST)

Amazing is a good word to describe this case, yes.Thari ^{TжFedCom is BFI!} 19:41, 9 August 2006 (BST)

HeadShotOmega

Created this page. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 08:14, 8 August 2006 (BST)

You should know that tessutit has lost his password. He nowadays uses an account with a name Chewie. He also has the alt with a name Somebody. I think he doesn't know password to that either.
And oh please! That's not even a start. He also put than on my user page and on two others. He also edited the group page, but luckily for him he fixed it himself. I know we kinda eliminated him and his 5 team mates with a surprise attack, but that's no reason to come raging around in the wiki. --Niilomaan ^GRR! 08:28, 8 August 2006 (BST)

Warned. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 08:30, 8 August 2006 (BST)

MrAushvitz

Feels he can decide which votes are valid on the suggestions page. My 'Spamtastic' vote isn't one of the 'typical' votes, but has been allowed by precedent. I would have accepted striking the 'tastic' part, but not the whole vote, as I did justify it. --Gage 23:13, 7 August 2006 (BST)

No warning or ban for now. If he does it again, be sure to mention that he's done it before. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 02:32, 8 August 2006 (BST)

That is correct as per Wiki voting rules I have had it explained to me since that I am allowed to slash the unnessesary portion of the vote. Ex: Spamtarded, Spamtastic, etc. Implies immaturity and rudeness not needed in voting. I have had it explained to me I can strike out that which breaks the Wiki, as per the president.. so I am in the right, now. And as always, the author is allowed to challenge any spam or dupe votes, as per wiki rules. "Killaliscious" would be considerably less threatening as kill is a vote that can't get my suggestion removed from the page entirely, you may see my concern, abuse of the spam vote goes beyond breaking the strong kill, it is a slap in the face to the creator of the idea.. in poor taste to say the least. MrAushvitz02:34, 10 August 2006 (BST)

Samual Clemons

Again. After a revert and a warning by Bob Hammero he did it again. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 16:05, 7 August 2006 (BST)

Warned. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 16:30, 7 August 2006 (BST)

The initial claim, and reason for the revert was listed as "Struck out a news article that was put up simply because he disagreed with it.". He also added a recent events entry. What was the objection to the entry? Why was he warned for it? --Kiki Lottaboobs 00:21, 8 August 2006 (BST)

I'm sorry but why? The guy added a news article, didn't strike out anything this time. If Sonny disagrees with it as he always does, he can add a contrary report. If you're looking for NPOV standards, first it doesn't deserves a warning, and second you're showing double standards. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 00:29, 8 August 2006 (BST)

Frankly, I don't see a problem with this edit, as it is fairly NPOV--Gage 00:50, 8 August 2006 (BST)

Unrelated to the news of the suburb. Conspiracy theories are not taking place inside the suburb. And I doubt it would be allowed for people calling those in Nichols sore losers. Quit with the double standards. I'm enforcing what Xoid started on the Giddings page. That for one is not NPOV. Secondly any talk about that belongs on the Talk page. People want to disagree? Do it on a talk page where there aren't wiki wars. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 00:59, 8 August 2006 (BST)

If it offended you, you were obliged to correct the text or remove anything that isn't factual or is inflammatory. This notion that a very mildly insulting edit that has other reason to exist beyond the insult (on a regular page) is somehow vandalism is absurd. -- (GOD) † 02:09, 8 August 2006 (BST)

Ha ha. No. Editing someone else's signed text is impersonation. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 02:26, 8 August 2006 (BST)

That's when you remove the signiture from a community news area. Anyone should be able to add to it, know what I mean? -- (GOD) † 02:30, 8 August 2006 (BST)

Actually, no. If a signed edit is modified beyond correcting typos or grammatical errors, it is classified as impersonation. Samual Clemons signed his edit, therefore it it was altered, instead of being removed entirely, it is classified as impersonation. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 02:58, 8 August 2006 (BST)

Impersonation? How/where did this happen? Thanks to everyone who spoke up here, I was feeling a lot like I was being treated with a double standard. So I can I repost my news article now that the warning was retracted or what? --Samual Clemons 03:10, 8 August 2006 (BST)

sigh. You know what? I'll rewrite that section myself so that it is NPOV. Neither what is there now, or what was added comes even close. I will retract the warning for Samual Clemons. Reason being that the second edit was borderline and he is green. Beyond that, take this to arbitration. I'm tired of seeing M/VB being used for frivulous bullshit. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 02:26, 8 August 2006 (BST)

The Lord sayeth thou art rockin' great. -- (GOD) † 02:31, 8 August 2006 (BST)

One would think that the lord is forgetting seperation of church and state. One would think the lord has no power here. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 02:48, 8 August 2006 (BST)

Regardless, NPOV. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 03:05, 8 August 2006 (BST)

Actually, one would think that this has nothing to do with separation of church and state. And so as to nitpick equally, it's frivolous. --Darth Sensitive ^W! 03:13, 8 August 2006 (BST)

That was a joke... Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 03:18, 8 August 2006 (BST)

One would think that Sonny himself has been wooshed! --Darth Sensitive ^W! 03:23, 8 August 2006 (BST)

I'm pretty sure that Xoid doesn't have the authority to 'rewrite' my entry any more than I had authority to strikethrough the unsigned history entry (pitneybank/news) according to the Moderator Guidelines M/G. Can someone give me the go ahead to replace my deleted news entry here? Thanks a bunch! --Samual Clemons 03:30, 8 August 2006 (BST)

Xoid is a mod...He has the right to do whatever he wants. Even if he wasn't mod he could do what he wants. He's a demi-god. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 03:31, 8 August 2006 (BST)

Jesus Christ. I fixed Sonny's edit, and added yours so that both were NPOV. Don't like it? Take it to arbitration. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 03:43, 8 August 2006 (BST)

I'm sure glad you are the one confused now Sonny, not a newbie like me, LOL. Xoid, I mean no disrespect. From the M/G Moderator Guidlines/Genral Conduct:

"Moderator are provided with abilities beyond that of normal users on the expectation that these will be used to fulfil duties on the wiki that normal users are not capable of fulfilling. They are not provided on the expectation that Moderators are any "more worthy" or "more authoritative" than any other user. In short, a Moderator is to be treated as a normal user, with all the rights and responsibilities therein, with additional responsibilities as listed below.

Moderators are not to use their status as a badge of authority. Moderators are merely especially trusted wiki users, and are beholden to the community just as any other user is. A Moderator's word has no greater weight than any other user. As a wiki, each voice has equal weight, regardless of their abilities."

Seems pretty simple... --Samual Clemons 03:51, 8 August 2006 (BST)

Hooray for out of context? Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 03:52, 8 August 2006 (BST)

CONTEXT?- Xoids rewrite, Sonny Comment- "Xoid is a mod...He has the right to do whatever he wants. Even if he wasn't mod he could do what he wants. He's a demi-god." --Samual Clemons 03:56, 8 August 2006 (BST)

For the last time, don't like the NPOV? Take it to arbitration. Fuck, did you even read the full changes that I made? –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 04:04, 8 August 2006 (BST)

For the record I haven't made a news entry. Xoid's job is to make NPOV to avoid arguments. You fail. Go to Arby's. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 04:06, 8 August 2006 (BST)

MY OPINION IS HERE TO FIX IT We all have the freedom to do what we want. Xoid has the freedom, your mark twain ass has the freedom, Sonny's Godfather ass has the right, my furry fruit ass has the right. Freedom its the glory of Seattle. Also, mods don't really have any more right do these things, but they are generally respected, and their edits viewed as cheddar , no butter, no cheese butter, well, they are considered good and busy little bee's, which is why sometimes everyone is all " they can do what they want!" get it? You get the money, you get the power you get the power you get the women. So, yeah, Moderators are just users, that are generally bad dudes. Bad enough dudes to save president Ronnie and beat the ninjas. If they can beat a ninja, they can fix up NPOV-That's Why I did your Wife 04:16, 8 August 2006 (BST)

Dannic123

Vandalised DarkStar2374383's page. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 11:36, 7 August 2006 (BST)

Warned. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 18:02, 7 August 2006 (BST)

Samual Clemons

http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Pitneybank&diff=349512&oldid=348295 Struck out a news article that was put up simply because he disagreed with it. Talk page is for disagreements. Not wiki wars. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 00:26, 7 August 2006 (BST)

Warned. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 00:41, 7 August 2006 (BST)

Dsftgd

Blanked main page talk. http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AMain_Page&diff=349180&oldid=337823 --Thari ^T/C/TJ! 13:30, 6 August 2006 (BST)

Didn't blank, it was link spammage hidden within the adbot standard <div style="overflow:auto; height: 1px;"> trick. .: Permaban. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 13:55, 6 August 2006 (BST)

SillyBird

Sonnys delusion created that. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 23:37, 5 August 2006 (BST)

Warned. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 23:58, 5 August 2006 (BST)

Honestmistake

Impersonation: added text that I had written elsewhere after something he had written, without making it clear that it was a quote. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 19:11, 5 August 2006 (BST)

Doesn't look like impersonation. It's prefaced with text that explains the reposting. So speaketh the Lord. -- (GOD) 19:20, 5 August 2006 (BST)

Good thing the Lord isn't a moderator. While the text (incoherently) leads up to the quotes he used, they are still not obviously quotes. It's important to look at the diff instead of the current version, because I altered his formatting slightly to emphasize that they're quotes after I wrote this report. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 19:29, 5 August 2006 (BST)

I've looked at the diff. Due to the placement of the text, and the fact that he did not make the second quote signature plain text like the other one, I do agree that it is misleading. Inconsistency in the way he quotes may lead users to believe that the second quote was actually Bob Hammero's reply. I do not however believe that the edit was in bad faith. I'll give Honestmistake an unoffical warning to be more careful with how he quotes people. This will be noted on his record in M/VD, but will not count as a warning. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 04:02, 6 August 2006 (BST)

Wickcade

Repeatedly creating advertisments. Wickcade. --Max Grivas ^JG,T,P! 18:45, 5 August 2006 (BST)

Warned. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 18:49, 5 August 2006 (BST)

Labine50

Bad faith edits: Voting simply to spite another user, trolling, subverting the democratic process. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 06:36, 5 August 2006 (BST)

Warned. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 06:47, 5 August 2006 (BST)

Reptileus

Pulled a massively huge Codename V on shitloads of groups' talk pages. This is one of the worst cases of group page spam I've ever seen on the wiki. Cyberbob  Talk  01:11, 5 August 2006 (BST)

these are all on talk pages... what is the big deal?--Gage 01:35, 5 August 2006 (BST)

There was this guy Codename V who did something similar, although on many, many, many more pages. He also did other spamming that he got warned for.

Anyway, that said, I don't think this is bad faith at all. He's just posting a message to thirty something groups on their talk pages. He's not spamming the whole wiki with it. --Brizth ^{M T} 01:56, 5 August 2006 (BST)

So? Codename V was warned for the exact same action. The *exact* same one. Cyberbob  Talk  04:24, 5 August 2006 (BST)

Seems to need a talking-to about Wiki standards, but I absolve this one of his sins. -- (GOD) 04:43, 5 August 2006 (BST)

Consistency in the application of the 'law'. Codename V got warned over this. St7 got warned over this. Reptileus is getting warned over this. Spamming pages is unnacceptable when the recruitment page is there to fill the same purpose. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 04:52, 5 August 2006 (BST)

Just curious. I thought recruitment was just for advertising your group, not group events. Where can someone let people that may not know about their group know about an event they are holding. I'm trying to get people behind our white pride rally.Jjames 17:57, 7 August 2006 (BST)

Brizth

Yes. Me. I want someone to block me for... um, let's say 30 minutes. I want to test whether the wiki allows me to unblock myself, as it does with self-inflicted blocks. --Brizth ^{M T} 03:48, 4 August 2006 (BST)

Having some experience with MediaWiki, I believe I can be certain when I say that sysops can indeed unblock themselves. -- (GOD) 03:54, 4 August 2006 (BST)

Yep. Now I'm also certain of that fact. Now the question is, WTF?! Why? --Brizth ^{M T} 03:59, 4 August 2006 (BST)

From what I understand, it's largely procautionary. Keeps one sysop from perma-banning all others. If a sysop needs to be banned, but keeps removing his own ban - he can be demoted during the ban duration. -- (GOD) 04:04, 4 August 2006 (BST)

Ah, true. In wikipedia one rogue sysop could do lots of damage before bureaucrat logs in. Same here or anywhere obviously. So it does make sense after all. --Brizth ^{M T} 04:28, 4 August 2006 (BST)

That has happened over there before. For example: some idiot decided to give Willy on Wheels an adminship on April Fools. It took a long time for them to clean up the mess. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 04:41, 4 August 2006 (BST)

Blocked for 30 minutes. If you can't unblock yourself, just email me, or message me on MSN. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 03:55, 4 August 2006 (BST)

Thanks for banning me :D --Brizth ^{M T} 03:59, 4 August 2006 (BST)

I tried it on scroll wars, it definently worked.--The General ^{T Sys U! P! F!} 05:33, 4 August 2006 (BST)

can you ban yourself on the wiki?--Gage 01:07, 5 August 2006 (BST)

Not really. You can always unblock yourself, like I did yesterday. --Brizth ^{M T} 01:32, 5 August 2006 (BST)

3pwvu

isn't this impersonation? Or does he actually have to vandalize the wiki first?--Gage 01:37, 4 August 2006 (BST)

I dunno. His edits so far haven't come close to vandalism yet. Wouldn't be the first time I've seen someone choose a really stupid user name simply because they thought it'd be funny to give the admins a heart attack. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 01:58, 4 August 2006 (BST)

In order for them to understand the significance of this particular user name, they would have to be experienced on the wiki, and probably have another user account. This is almost assuredly a multiple account, whether or not vandalism has been committed.--Gage 02:12, 4 August 2006 (BST)

Not necessarily. I lurked for over a month before showing up, so I knew who were the movers and shakers, I knew about PQN, etc. Regardless, mutliple accounts are currently allowed through precedent. With a name like that the user is sure to be banned on a knee-jerk "OMFG 3pwv!" reaction more often than not. Regardless of those secondary concerns, I am permabanning the account due to the fact that it is either impersonation or a vandal alt. One of those two applies, regardless of other concerns. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 02:22, 4 August 2006 (BST)

The movers and shakers? What are we in some 1920's gangster flick? Excuse me while I off someone with my BAR. --Gage 02:39, 4 August 2006 (BST)

Feel free. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 02:54, 4 August 2006 (BST)

Wait, it says Bob unbanned him... why did you do that Bob?--Gage 22:08, 4 August 2006 (BST)

Check Special:Log/block and M/M. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 22:14, 4 August 2006 (BST)

Coolioo

http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki%3AModeration%2FVandal_Banning&diff=346449&oldid=346448 Vandal. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 00:57, 4 August 2006 (BST)

Yey! Vandal alt. Permabanned. --Brizth ^{M T} 01:14, 4 August 2006 (BST)

Gold Blade

http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3ABobHammero&diff=346400&oldid=346392

Silver Blade

http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki%3AModeration%2FVandal_Banning&diff=346407&oldid=346405

Yellow blade

Made two alts to vandalize the wiki. Also created alts to get around a ban. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 00:14, 4 August 2006 (BST)

I never got a ban. Look at the vandal data. --Gold Blade 02:41, 4 August 2006 (BST)

Thanks to Kevan's apparent unwillingness to upgrade the fucking software so that we can check IP addresses, we have no way to prove it. After he does, we can check and see if it is Gold Blade. Gold Blade: I'm watching you. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 00:17, 4 August 2006 (BST)

If this is him, he made it obvious, almost too obvious. Obvious to the point where it may be someone trying to frame him. --Gage 00:39, 4 August 2006 (BST)

Or maybe he's just an idiot. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 00:42, 4 August 2006 (BST)

Whoa the wiki is getting upgraded? Will it become possible to ACTUALLY ip ban somebody or what? Attackaslug 01:00, 4 August 2006 (BST)

Since I was the one who reported him, I wonder why I haven't been targeted.--Gage 01:29, 4 August 2006 (BST)

He probably decided to stop while he was... ahead... or something. 3pwvu 01:31, 4 August 2006 (BST)

I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYONE ELSE! I ONLY USE THE ACCOUNT GOLD BLADE! I HAVE IT ON AT LEAST 4 OTHER WEBSITES! ITS A COINCIDENCE OR A FRAMEING!!! I HAVENT EVEN BEEN ON SIMCE I MADE THE POLICY CHANGE SUGGESTION! --Gold Blade 02:38, 4 August 2006 (BST)

Noted, thank you. No need to scream. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 02:43, 4 August 2006 (BST)

Like we believe you anyway. --Gage 02:44, 4 August 2006 (BST)

It would be remarkably stupid of him to use accounts named so similarly to his own. I've been impersonated by a vandal, as have several other people here. It's probably whoever was behind those accounts, too. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 02:45, 4 August 2006 (BST)

I have nothing against you. Nor bob. Anyway, i decided to resolve that in a policy change. I got my user page thing wiped too. And it never went in either history. Strange. --Gold Blade 02:47, 4 August 2006 (BST)

Well, if it wasn't you then somebody has something against you, big time. Anyone you know fit that description?--Gage 03:15, 4 August 2006 (BST)

Nobody comes to mind... I hope that IP thing comes soon. --Gold Blade 03:55, 4 August 2006 (BST)

Silver blade

Permabanned. Vandal, one "contribution": blanking my talk page. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 00:12, 4 August 2006 (BST)

Gold Blade

struck my vote because he didn't like the fact that I didn't like his suggestion enough to finish reading it. --Gage 20:17, 3 August 2006 (BST)

That was not the reason i struck it. The reason was that you did not give a valid reaason to vote Spam. --Gold Blade 20:19, 3 August 2006 (BST)

I have to add that it's more close to vandalism what Gage did than what Gold Blade did. You have to read the suggestion at least to vote on it: if you don't, don't vote. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 20:21, 3 August 2006 (BST)

Is it allowed to unstrike your own vote? --Gold Blade 20:25, 3 August 2006 (BST)

It is. IMHO neither of you deserve a warning for vandalism, but Gage has to either remove or read the whole suggestion and change his vote. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 20:28, 3 August 2006 (BST)

I said I didn't finish it, not that I didn't read it. Striking votes is vandalism. I want a mod ruling. I frankly don't care what Matthew says. --Gage 20:53, 3 August 2006 (BST)

That's a fairly sound way in which to go about wiki business. I like your style, Gage. Cyberbob  Talk  22:11, 3 August 2006 (BST)

Enough. I took off the suggestion because, regardless of your vote, it still needed work.--Gold Blade 20:58, 3 August 2006 (BST)

Warned. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 21:31, 3 August 2006 (BST)

BobHammero

Created template personally attacking me here. I can see no way this template can be used in good faith. There have been multiple arb rulings specifically dealing with targeted, personal attacks through templates, mainly here , here and here. Three separate arb rulings should show the clear wishes of the community on dealing with templates such as these. --Zod Rhombus 01:08, 3 August 2006 (BST)

Quick, now take him to Misconduct and go for the full Trifecta of Harassment! --Jimbo Bob ^ASS•U! 01:11, 3 August 2006 (BST)

If you take it to Arbitration I'll arbitrate it but this isn't vandalism. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 01:13, 3 August 2006 (BST)

Not interested in arbitration, I just want the template gone and users to not be allowed to create such bad faith templates is all. --Zod Rhombus 01:16, 3 August 2006 (BST)

Zod, please read M/D. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 01:18, 3 August 2006 (BST)

It would seem that you've gotten your wish, as I said you would. Do you still want to penalize me? –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 01:29, 3 August 2006 (BST)

Bob, I hate to say it but you know better than this. Warned. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 02:03, 3 August 2006 (BST)

Wait, what? What exactly is this being based on? I didn't see anything in any of the links Zod provided that would justify this. --Jimbo Bob ^ASS•U! 03:57, 3 August 2006 (BST)

After reading through them again, I'd say that they are completely irrelevant. The arbitration rulings were specific to Amazing and his antagonists. Also: there are a host of other "aimed at a specific user" templates that have gone uncontested for months on end. Therefore I am retracting the warning. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 07:53, 3 August 2006 (BST)

I think it would be really fun if vandalism cases were filed for all of these templates that directly attack people or groups: {{NoAmazing}}, {{KillBill}}, {{A.S.S. Wiper}}, {{Crucified}}, {{CryMorePlease}}, {{GoldInBasket}}, {{AmazingFreeZone}}, {{LoveAmazingnot}}. What was that about the community tolerating attacking templates again? Did I hear someone say "precedent"? Or even "relevant evidence"? –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 07:51, 3 August 2006 (BST)

Well, you sure changed your tune. Let the Template Wars begin.... --Zod Rhombus 23:36, 3 August 2006 (BST)

Ooh, I tremble. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 23:43, 3 August 2006 (BST)

I shrug in apathy! – Nubis ^NWO 23:45, 3 August 2006 (BST)

Apathy is one of the signs you are a drug addict. I learned that in schools. Let the Internubis begin!-That's Why I did your Wife 23:54, 3 August 2006 (BST)

Proof of your willful disregard for this system and the Wiki. Peonic moron. – Nubis ^NWO 23:55, 3 August 2006 (BST)

Only begun the Template Wars have. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 23:58, 3 August 2006 (BST)

Note: the above is not true. You slack-jawed, slope-browed idiot. – Nubis ^NWO 00:06, 4 August 2006 (BST)

In Soviet Russia, Template Wars begin Amazod! –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 00:07, 4 August 2006 (BST)

The power of Christ compells you to stop VANDALIZING MY PAGE. Stop now, or be reported for vandalism. – Nubis ^NWO 00:09, 4 August 2006 (BST)

Proof of your willful disregard for this system and the Wiki. Peonic morons. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 00:09, 4 August 2006 (BST)

I shrug in apathy! – Nubis ^NWO 00:14, 4 August 2006 (BST)

I hate whales. You will not warn nor ban me. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 00:15, 4 August 2006 (BST)

I look forward to not letting you - or any other wiki user - down. Bully. – Nubis ^NWO 00:21, 4 August 2006 (BST)

Nubis, why haven't you admitted that you're part of the secret shadow group? –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 00:25, 4 August 2006 (BST)

"I wasn't talking to you in the first place so shut your stupid fucking mouth. I'm taking this to arbitration Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 00:33, 4 August 2006 (BST)

You tremendous flaming shithead. Stupid petulant child, go be a raw-nerve pussy somewhere else. – Nubis ^NWO 00:52, 4 August 2006 (BST)

WTF? this stopped being about bob or his hammero so long ago didn't it? -That's Why I did your Wife 00:56, 4 August 2006 (BST)

You complete waste of human flesh. Bully. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 00:57, 4 August 2006 (BST)

Banana Bear, I'm going to sue you for sexual harassment. Stop pulling on my hammero. :( –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 01:31, 4 August 2006 (BST)

It is my right by the constitution to do what I wants you are going to be reported for the FBI by impinging the freedoms. -That's Why I did your Wife 01:51, 4 August 2006 (BST)

It is too late. WE ALREADY HAVE ALL OF YOUR SECRETS. What good is a phone call if you are unable to SPEAK? –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 02:42, 4 August 2006 (BST)

Mmh mmh MMMMMPH! - Mmm'm mmh Mrh Mmm mrmm Mrph02:45, 4 August 2006 (BST)

It seems that you've been living two lives. One life, you're Banana Bear, crazy writer for a tiny Internet wiki. You have an account number, vote on deletions, and you... help moderators mock vandals. The other life is lived in computers, where you go by the wiki alias "That's Why I did your Wife" and are behind virtually every Denzel Washington account we have a record of. One of these lives has a future, and one of them does not. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 06:14, 4 August 2006 (BST)

Sunrise089

http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Giddings_Mall&diff=344770&oldid=344655

Vandalized Giddings page after several reverts were made for all to see. Reverted it back to vandalism. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 21:54, 2 August 2006 (BST)

Warned. Cyberbob  Talk  22:06, 2 August 2006 (BST)

This process continues to frustrate me since I'm definately a wiki n00b, but he goes: Can someone PLEASE let me know how my page edit was vandalism? I understand several people had been altering and then reverting the entry I changed, but I edited the entry myself and attempted to voice the entry from the zombie and human point of view. If my edit was bad, I understand it being reverted, but I do not understand how this is vandalism. Furthermore the entry I edited is highly biased, and suggests bot activity was the primary cause of the Big Bash's defeat at Giddings while providing no proof in the entry itself. Comments by Kevan do support the idea that bots were likely involved, but the extent of their activity is pure conjecture, and my wiki edit (I feel) adressed the issue in a much more nuetral tone. It should furthermore be remembered that this is the Giddings page, not the Big Bash page we're discussing here, so it is probably not the place for a highly-zombie-sided entry to be considered the definitive take on the story. - Sunrise089 (and I have no idea about the proper signing format, sorry,

When you notice an edit war going on, instead of constantly re-adding your own edit after someone reverts it, you should talk with them before going any further. If you cannot come to an agreement with that person, take it to arbitration. Edit wars are unproductive, waste everyone's time, spam the recent changes page, and increase the amount of edits one has without any good reason. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 04:01, 4 August 2006 (BST)

But I DIDN'T "constantly [re-add] my own edit". I created a new edit of my own, and was warned for vandalism after posting it. I didn't revert to the edit the completely different user made, at the time I didn't even know it ever existed. There was no need to come to an agreement when I was warned, since at that time I had just posted my original edit. I had no need to come to arbitration when there was never any back and forth agruement. I understand two OTHER USERS were in an edit war, but I don't know how that makes my actions vandalism. I still am trying to learn how this process works though, so I do await your reply. Thanks. --Sunrise089 05:33, 4 August 2006 (BST)

Terminator 484

http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Talk:Ang_Hukbong_Sandatahan_ng_Bayan

http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AThe_Fortress&diff=344767&oldid=328322

And much much more for the low price of 10 payments of $2,595!

Said user pulled a Codename V, spamming group talk pages. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 21:54, 2 August 2006 (BST)

Hm... I'm not sure this counts as spam, at least not on V's scale. He only left messages on about 4 groups' pages. However, if someone else disagrees (validly), then I'd be happy to change my tune. Cyberbob  Talk  22:12, 2 August 2006 (BST)

Jacob Tailor

vandalism Was reverted several times by myself and Xoid. I pointed out the Pitneybank talk page as evidence. It was ignored. Three strikes your out in my book. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 20:47, 2 August 2006 (BST)

Just FYI, this user has made only 3 total edits--Gage 20:51, 2 August 2006 (BST)

All three vandalism. First two were non-official warnings by a mod and a wiki user. Hopefully the third edit will have an official warning. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 21:00, 2 August 2006 (BST)

Warned. Cyberbob  Talk  22:15, 2 August 2006 (BST)

Vandalizing?

The original entry was unarguably biased. My edits were, at least to me, neutral and informative. Also, at no point was I ever "warned", officially or unofficially. Yes, I was directed to another page where I was apparently supposed to find "evidence". I actually found a bunch of people getting angry at eachother with accusations being thrown around but no actual "evidence". Kevan's email stated he banned a few duplicate accounts. At that time there was no definitive from Kevan about bots in Morrish. At this time there is no definitive from Kevan about bots in Morrish. Jacob Tailor 06:44, 3 August 2006 (BST)

Hurr. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 07:05, 3 August 2006 (BST)

Why was my edit considered vandalism? Jacob Tailor 05:29, 4 August 2006 (BST)

Use your powers of deduction: where was there a big siege in the game? Where would bots most likely to be used? Where were known zergers hanging around? Answer? The Morrish Building. That's why your edit was vandalism: the moderator who issued the warning used something known as "commonsense". –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 05:34, 4 August 2006 (BST)

No, that was just speculation. My edits were based on current facts, I ignored speculation because they belong on a talk page until they become fact. Calling my edit vandalism, even if you two believe that speculation is greater than fact, is ridiculous, especially in comparison to the previous entry. Jacob Tailor 06:10, 4 August 2006 (BST)

MiniGemmel 2:Gemmel Harder

impersonation!!—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Banana Bear4 (talk • contribs) .

Warned.--The General ^{T Sys U! P! F!} 15:48, 2 August 2006 (BST)

Sreath147

http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=The_Malton_Bounty_Emo_Killers&diff=341344&oldid=339346 Didn't notice this until today. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 15:41, 2 August 2006 (BST)

Warned.--The General ^{T Sys U! P! F!} 15:46, 2 August 2006 (BST)

MiniGemmel

Using a copyrighted/NSFW image. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 09:48, 2 August 2006 (BST)

Warned. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 09:55, 2 August 2006 (BST)

Mooterhead

Same as below, only he vandalised my user page. "Moterhead" is the name Amazing goes by on his forum. .: Permaban. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 06:55, 2 August 2006 (BST)

Can i point out that the 3pwv has been banned recently on the Scroll Wars Wiki (owned by Amazing) so this looks a lot like him? Modus operandi and everything... --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 06:57, 2 August 2006 (BST)

You are fucking kidding me, right? I thought he liked Amazing. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 06:59, 2 August 2006 (BST)

Actually he's just a vandal. Actions must not follow any logic. But if you look at these two accounts, they follow the modus operandi of 3pwv: copies a text and vandalizes only 1 page with every acount using the same text. That's about all I have to say: if you REALLY think it's Amazing you may know better than me. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 07:02, 2 August 2006 (BST)

I remember a certain person from North Carolina impersonating people on the CMS-Meta boards. (Reverse DNS-lookup confirmed it was N. Carolina.) I think it's more than a coincidence, particularly since most of these vandalisations happen the moment someone even asks about him. Since there have been numerous Amazing impersonators before, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt in this case. Not that it really matters; he doesn't care what I think. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 07:11, 2 August 2006 (BST)

I miss Amazing's shenanigans.:(-That's Why I did your Wife 07:15, 2 August 2006 (BST)

Man, you guys are idiots. I talk to Amazing almost daily because we are working on a project together. He doesn't even play UD that much, much less try to vandalize the wiki. His hands are full with Scroll Wars. If he wants anything put on the wiki, I can do it, and so far I haven't vandalized anything. Besides, all he suggests is minor changes on our group page. This is just a case of somebody missing him. --Zod Rhombus 20:18, 2 August 2006 (BST)

I hope that you aren't saying that I'm messing up the wiki in his name, because I miss his shenanigans. You big mean Geometric shape you.-That's Why I did your Wife 20:21, 2 August 2006 (BST)

Hey, I'm not a big, mean geometric shape, I'm nice :). Hahaha. Sorry BB4, I guess the comment was aimed more at Xoid. --Zod Rhombus 22:46, 2 August 2006 (BST)

Your vertices are hurting the wiki. :( –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 22:47, 2 August 2006 (BST)

Amazinging

I don't really know if he's dumb enough to make an alt at this point, but... look here. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 06:46, 2 August 2006 (BST)

Advertising scroll wars? Insulting Urban Dead, not recognising the fact that it is currently impossible to IP ban him? I'd say it's a safe bet. User circumventing a ban? Permaban on the alternate account. Case closed. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 06:49, 2 August 2006 (BST)

I don't want to be devil's lawyer on this, but considering the obvious lack of knowledge on english grammar of this guy, and the BIG ammount of time that has happened since his banning, it's right to say that it's just an alt account made by a guy to defame him: even I thought about something like that sometime. It was right to permaban him anyways. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 06:54, 2 August 2006 (BST)

Perhaps you should check out Amazing's forums, or some of his edits before he left, from before he edited them 40 times. Amazing can't spell and has resorted to this particular brand of mockery before. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 06:57, 2 August 2006 (BST)

Clones?

• Notmme

Vandalisation of M/VB

• Notme

Vandalisation of M/VB

–Xoid ^S•T•FU! 05:30, 2 August 2006 (BST)

Bug me not

http://www.bugmenot.com -- a system against mandatory registrations where personal information is required. For this wiki, there is no requirement for email verification, there is no onus on the user supplying identifying details. As such, this account should be banned immediately and forever. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 07:11, 1 August 2006 (BST)

Banhammered until the end of time. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 07:15, 1 August 2006 (BST)

I've already submitted a request that they permanently de-list the wiki. I don't mind bugmenot for getting around shit like The Times, but there is absolutely no fucking need here. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 07:21, 1 August 2006 (BST)

Nubsculll

They never learn. M/VB –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 06:41, 1 August 2006 (BST)

Permabanned the fucker. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 06:44, 1 August 2006 (BST)

Wikkicade

Created a new account (previous account: Wickcade) to circumvent his warning and recreate the Wickcade page again. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 06:34, 1 August 2006 (BST)

Also Wickicade. Since this guy is attempting to circumvent warnings and detection by making multiple accounts, I have permabanned this one. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 06:37, 1 August 2006 (BST)

3 Page, Again

1. User:Nmemnee
2. User:Klmnekenkjn
3. User:Klmneken
4. User:Njekjnee
5. User:Kjnwkjen
6. User:Zomg its The 3pwv AGAIN!!!
7. User:Zejheke
8. User:Cieunekje
9. User:Nottt
10. User:W nwnwn
11. User:W nwnwnnb
12. User:Ok im bored nowd
13. User:Zieuheka
14. User:Akakia

Joy. This guy has less of a life than I do, and that's saying something. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 06:17, 1 August 2006 (BST)

Nabbed on my own:

1. User:Kjene

–Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 06:30, 1 August 2006 (BST)

Wickcade

Re-created Wickcade after it was speedily deleted. The page seems to advertisement veiled as group page. No other contributions. --Brizth ^{M T} 00:23, 1 August 2006 (BST)

Warned. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 00:28, 1 August 2006 (BST)

Poopman9

Added an illegal note to the suggestions page. This user has consistently and flagrantly violated the rules of that page. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 23:50, 31 July 2006 (BST)

A look back into his contributions reveals he made his first edit on July 27th. Give him a break.--Gage 00:01, 1 August 2006 (BST)

He has been warned twice for vandalism, and has stated that he plans to continue. No mercy. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 00:15, 1 August 2006 (BST)

Banned for 1 day. --Brizth ^{M T} 00:19, 1 August 2006 (BST)