UDWiki:Administration/Promotions

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This page is for users to request System Operator status. The act of user promotion is restricted to those with bureaucrat status, and as such users will need to request user promotion here. System Operators and Bureaucrats cannot assign promotions unless the request has gone through this page.

Guidelines for System Operator Requests

Users who wish to request System Operator status (and users who wish to nominate other users for System Operator status) should note that before they can be considered the following guidelines should be met by the candidate:

• Significant time within the community.

We define this as at least 6 months since the candidate's first edit.

Note: looking in a User's User contributions might give false results for this criterion, as the edit history is periodically purged on this wiki.

• Significant activity within the community.

We define this as at least 250 edits in the past six months under the candidate's name.

Note: looking in a User's User contributions might give false results for this criterion, as the edit history is periodically purged on this wiki.

• Prior interest in maintaining the community.

We define this as clear evidence that the candidate is already performing maintenance tasks and taking leadership roles on the wiki.

• Desire to become a System Operator.

We define this simply as indicating in the candidate's request their desire for the position (Note that if a person is nominated by another user, the candidate in question should note their acceptance of the nomination).

If a user is highly exemplary in one criterion, a certain amount of leeway may be given with the other criteria.

Once the candidate satisfies these guidelines, the user is then subject to a community discussion. All users are asked to comment on the candidate in question, ask questions of the candidate, and discuss the candidate's suitability for becoming a System Operator. This is not a vote. It is instead merely a request for comments from the wiki community. This will continue for two weeks to allow all users an opportunity to voice their opinion regarding a candidate's qualifications for promotion. After two weeks, the Bureaucrats are responsible for announcing their decision within a reasonably short period of time. Users may continue to add their thoughts until the Bureaucrats announce their decision. The current amount of System Operators running should not influence your decisions when voicing your opinion.

Once the two weeks are up, the Bureaucrats will review the community discussion and make a decision based upon it. The user will be notified of the status of their request, and will be promoted should it appear that the community is willing to accept them as a System Operator.

Example Application

Example User

• Example User (talk | contribs | UDWiki contribs | vndl data)

I've been around 3 months, and I've made to date 550 edits. As you can see [link here] and [link here], I've been in the leadership role attempting to create a new format for this page. I'd very much like to become a System Operator.

• Vouch - I am willing to vouch for this user. -- Voucher 03:41, 23 Jan 2006 (GMT)
• Against - Example User, I haven't seen any evidence of your work on the wiki. --Some user 19:01, 25 July 2006 (BST)
• Vouch - Example User is the most active guy here. --Another user 19:01, 25 July 2006 (BST)
• Abstain - I'm just not sure, but I don't want to say why for some reason. --Some other user 19:01, 25 July 2006 (BST)
• Question - I just want to know what you think about this subject? --Yet another user 21:26, 4 April 2013 (BST)

Candidates Currently Under Community Discussion

Hagnat

• Hagnat (talk | contribs | UDWiki contribs | vndl data)

Because, REASONS--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 22:25, 15 May 2013 (BST)

• Why not for RAISINS? --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 22:34, 15 May 2013 (BST)

  raisings give me gas --hagnat 23:02, 15 May 2013 (BST)

  What about raises? --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 23:19, 15 May 2013 (BST)

  what, like ... i give you a raise, you give me a raise ? ;) --hagnat 01:44, 16 May 2013 (BST)

  I give me a raise, you give me a raise. That's what I mean. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 03:31, 16 May 2013 (BST)

  At least it doesn't give you gass. -- Spiderzed█ 23:20, 15 May 2013 (BST)

• Vouch - Dear sweet jesus yes.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 00:12, 16 May 2013 (BST)
• question why are you such a cunt about your user talk page? if you are promoted you know that will have to change.--User:Sexualharrison03:09, 16 May 2013

  first thing i am going to do once i get promoted is to protected my talk page, second is ban you, third is orchestrate the second coup --hagnat 03:17, 16 May 2013 (BST)

  against not the answer i was looking for. sysops can't have a closed talk page dildo. and your page is protected, just not from me. --User:Sexualharrison03:34, 16 May 2013

  So you have a problem with me locking my talk page, and none for banning you and taking over the wiki ? if that is the main issue i can leave my talk page open :) --hagnat 20:51, 16 May 2013 (BST)

  yup looking foward to the misconduct cases.--User:Sexualharrison02:33, 17 May 2013

  vouch exactly the answer i was looking for. --Karloth Vois ^¯\(°_o)/¯ 00:45, 18 May 2013 (BST)

• Against, sorry, but when your last 500 edits occurred over two years, a significant number of them blanking your talk page, I think you don't quite meet the activity/participation recommendation. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 05:17, 16 May 2013 (BST)
• Against - I like having the guy around, but as sysop again? Nope. —Aichon— 07:01, 16 May 2013 (BST)
• Vouch - Sure, why not. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 05:07, 18 May 2013 (BST)

Recently Concluded Bids

Karloth vois

• Karloth vois (talk | contribs | UDWiki contribs | vndl data)

there is a distinct lack of humour here and none of you have adequate split personalities -- Adward  03:19, 6 April 2013 (BST)

AU10 Fist-bump. -MHSstaff 03:59, 6 April 2013 (BST)

consider yourself fisted -- Adward  00:06, 8 April 2013 (BST)

MAKE IT SO, FUCKBUTTS 03:40, 6 April 2013 (BST)

THIS MAN KNOWS WHATS UP -- Adward  00:06, 8 April 2013 (BST)

• With a whopping 33 edits since his last bid, and an astounding total of 1 so far in 2013, I'll be surprised if Karloth doesn't get promoted. But I do have a question - what date do you prophesy for Misconbitragnarok? Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 03:49, 6 April 2013 (BST)

• Classy gent + unlimited power = righteous hero. -MHSstaff 03:59, 6 April 2013 (BST)
• Super Important Question - Is your facial hair even more awesome now? —Aichon— 04:23, 6 April 2013 (BST)

  Against - I'm jealous of his mustache, since it's clearly getting all of his attention and keeping him from responding here. Also, I discriminate against things that I'm jealous of. —Aichon— 06:41, 8 April 2013 (BST)

• Abstain Vouch - Abstain because people like his moustache more than mine, vouch cause Karloth is a good bloke. A ZOMBIE ANT 05:03, 6 April 2013 (BST)
• Question - Are you a time traveling Axe Hack, if so, will I be disappointed?--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 07:13, 6 April 2013 (BST)
• Vouch. His lack of edits don't count, he'd make more if you guys would give him a chance already. :| --SA 15:02, 6 April 2013 (BST)
• Vouch Although he fails several criteria, he also passes several criteria which I just made up. -- Adward  00:08, 8 April 2013 (BST)
• FUCK YEAH! vouch for all you OCD cunts, and you know who i'm speaking about.--User:Sexualharrison00:56, 8 April 2013
• I moustache you a question. Tu nous aimes, n'est-ce pas ? ~ _{06:34, 8 April 2013 (UTC)}
• Vouch →Son of Sin← 14:43, 8 April 2013 (BST)
• Couch: Have a seat right here. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 13:40, 10 April 2013 (BST)
• Against He's not woot. --Rosslessness 15:24, 11 April 2013 (BST)

  i don't think woot can grow a mustache--User:Sexualharrison21:05, 11 April 2013

• Abstain Don't actually know Karloth, so copping out on this. --Boneshred The Hungry 20:12, 16 April 2013 (BST)
• Vouch' There is something beautiful in the fact Karl has been trying to become a Sysop for nearly half a decade now. --Kooks 11:41, 19 April 2013 (BST)
• Keep tilting at them windmills you crazy mother bastard. 16:45, 19 April 2013 (BST)
• Vouch - because he once removed a splinter from my paw.--  Seekandyeshallfind     17:09, 19 April 2013 (BST)

The two weeks are up, and the candidate hasn't even expressed his willingness to run for sys-op yet. Even if he had, he would have failed multiple key criteria. Obviously, this bid gets rejected. -- Spiderzed█ 17:57, 22 April 2013 (BST)

Haha holy shit I just saw this now! I was pretty confused when I looked at this page and saw my username, though to be fair letting me know I'm up for election would probably do more harm than good to my chances. Draaaaawde! --Karloth Vois ^¯\(°_o)/¯ 00:28, 18 May 2013 (BST)

Kirsty Cotton

• Kirsty_cotton (talk | contribs | UDWiki contribs | vndl data)

During my time on the wiki, I've worked hard to make improvements, be friendly and generally encourage civil discussion. I'm proud of my history of never over-analyzing wikilaw and being reasonable in past discussions. My janitorial work speaks for itself. But rather than just tell you wonderful things about myself, ask some questions and I'll respond with wonderful things about myself. --_K 12:43, 1 April 2013 (BST)

• Question Mahna Mahna? -- Spiderzed█ 15:16, 1 April 2013 (BST)

  Are you belittling my sysop jog? --_K 18:10, 1 April 2013 (BST)

• Against - April Fools jokes are so 2006--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 19:01, 2 April 2013 (BST)

  "Are so 2006?" You got any more zingers there, chief? I mean shit, I guess you came up with that, right? I've never heard it use that way. +1 for creativity. --_K 22:57, 2 April 2013 (BST)

• Question What's your daily occuptation? Do you work, go to highschool, college? --Thadeous Oakley Talk 14:34, 3 April 2013 (BST)
  • 'cause we've always cared so much about this in the past. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 08:17, 4 April 2013 (BST)
  • Creepy. -MHSstaff 21:20, 4 April 2013 (BST)

  I work. To possibly explain some of my wikilawyering, at my job I have to write in such a way as to be legally binding. For example, I learned an early lesson that should and shall aren't the same. --_K 22:51, 4 April 2013 (BST)

• Vouch - I butt heads with Kirsty but I like him/her. Doesn't take shit but in my experience hasn't lost their head during disputes. And I'm pretty sure he can't be Axe Hack. I'll be pretty upset if he's Axe Hack. A ZOMBIE ANT 08:05, 4 April 2013 (BST)
• Vouch - Sure, why not. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 08:17, 4 April 2013 (BST)
• Question Is this some last ditch attempt to keep you interested in this wiki? what happens if you fail this bid? why now? --User:Sexualharrison14:43, 4 April 2013

  Actually no. I fully expect to fail, just thought I'd see how it went. As for why, the recent drama, mostly my fault (sorry), has made me believe we need differing voices in the sysop team. --_K 22:51, 4 April 2013 (BST)

  While i think you are fun to play with I just don't think you have what it takes to be a sysop on this wiki. sorry Against--User:Sexualharrison23:42, 5 April 2013

• Question - Mind if I cycle this? I got a chuckle out of it when you posted it on April Fool's Day (I thought the self-deprecating humor was clever), but it's beginning to outstay its welcome. If you want for it to be treated as a serious bid, we'll need to post it to wiki news and start grilling you about the requirements, and that's no fun. —Aichon— 15:56, 4 April 2013 (BST)
  • I'm always for punishing jokes by fulfilling the fake requests, to me it makes them funnier. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 17:58, 4 April 2013 (BST)
  • ^^^^^ This is a win / win situation. Either you get a new sysop or the joke keeps on trucking past Funnyville right into Hilarioustopia. -MHSstaff 21:20, 4 April 2013 (BST)

  I'll take the grilling, as I previous stated, I have no expectation of success. But meh, what else am I doing. --_K 22:51, 4 April 2013 (BST)

  If this is serious, then okay. I know much of your bid was intended to be tongue-in-cheek, but it brings up several important points. Namely, what janitorial work or indication of prior interest in maintaining the wiki can you point towards? In looking through your contribs (note: we have to go back almost a year before we hit 500 of them, meaning you do not meet criteria 2), I don't see a large number tied to any janitorial work at all. You do have a leg up on the average wiki user, in that you've not been afraid to get involved with administrative matters. That said, you also poked fun at yourself and your wikilawyering tendencies in your own bid text (and have referenced your related real-life background), which makes sense, given the recent Misconduct case you filed (it bears repeating that I don't think you were in the wrong for filing that case, though I do think it was a bit on the extreme end of the options available to you).
  You also recently took a leave from the wiki for about a month, which is an indication that you may not be interested in it. What brought you back and what assurances do we have that you won't leave again? Related to your motivation, why do you want to be a sysop and what do you think you can uniquely add? You've mentioned that you think we "need differing voices in the sysop team", but I'm not sure of that. I think that dissension for its own sake is rarely productive, and that what we really need are people who are unafraid to voice opinions they've reached through independent, reasoned thought and who come from differing perspectives, which is something we already have (see #4 in the Drama Work section of my sysop guide). Even in the events related to the recent Misconduct case, several people commented on how unusual it was for the sysops to agree unanimously on a topic that was so controversial. And with the wiki as quiet as it is these days, adding someone to the team who comes up short in the sorts of tasks that we're doing 99% of the time just so that we can have them around on the off-chance that drama happens doesn't make for a compelling reason. —Aichon— 01:04, 5 April 2013 (BST)

  There is some truth in this and the recent motivation question is a concern but I think having a new sheriff in town who can have the sysop team perhaps take a step back, look at a decision and ask "Is this really consistent with policy? Are we handling this the best way we can and in a manner that is consistent with the expectations of the community?" is not necessary a bad thing. I see Kirsty as that person and I think the team could use that person. Lack of janitorial work is a concern but I think Kirsty is perfectly capable of doing those jobs. Look at this way: Either you gain another sysop who pitches in the janitorial duties, has experience and interest in improving the policy aspects of the wiki or you don't and they are booted at the next A/RE. Not a lot of risk here. -MHSstaff 02:20, 5 April 2013 (BST)

  The "give them a test drive" argument has never held much water with me, given that you could apply it equally well to pretty much any candidate. And Bob was side-by-side agreeing with Kirsty through a lot of the recent drama, so there's an argument to be made for saying that we already have someone filling that role. Moreover, asking those sorts of questions is not something that you need to be a sysop to do, which Kirsty has already demonstrated capably. Plus, the community expectations issue you cite seem rather hypothetical in nature, rather than grounded in reality. After all, the recent drama ensued because the sysops took actions that were allegedly contrary to the letter of the law in order to protect something that was clearly in line with the community's wishes. —Aichon— 07:22, 5 April 2013 (BST)

  Difference of opinion I suppose. There are people who I think could do the job (Pre-sysop Rev/Peralta/KC) but may fall short in some area (drama/experience/experience), and with the safeguards of misconduct and RE, I think the potential reward outweighs the risk. Yes, someone does not have to be a sysop to ask those sort of questions, but to me, it shows an interest in improving the wiki, an interest in the policies and background governance of the wiki, and a capacity to think and raise concerns about a challenging issue. Routine sysop tasks can be learned on the job. My only concern, especially with some of the recent comments, is interest in performing those duties and only KC can really answer that. -MHSstaff 19:39, 5 April 2013 (BST)

  I would perform the menial/tedious admin tasks. I can't say it seems like a super fun activity, but it is necessary for an orderly and well-kept wiki. I'm aware that 90%+ of what I'm asking is to get to ban spambits and delete or move pages on request. --_K 05:57, 6 April 2013 (BST)

  I was active in the MediaWiki_talk:Sidebar and UDWiki:Administration/Policy_Discussion/Permaban_Appeal_Revisions discussions. As for janitorial work, I've got a bit of spambit hunting and that's about it. I believe I've shown some interest in maintaining the wiki through the aforementioned admin related discussions. I have also made some improvements to my wiki code knowledge (not much, but some), which serves me no purpose other than this wiki. As for my departure and return, I find the wiki an easy source of wasting time, which is the reasoning for both. I can't make any promise that I won't depart again. I have no plans to do so, but I can offer no guarantee RL won't mandate it. I'm not 100% on board that dissension for the sake of dissension is a bad idea. There is a value to dissension, so long as the goal is improvement to the wiki or procedures. It seems some policies and ways of doing things are hold overs from the good ole days when the wiki was a hotbed of drama. I don't honestly have any unique skills or abilities to offer. I could learn to do admin tasks, but I don't have any pressing project or really a specific need for the buttons. I think I hit all your questions? I'm well aware of my shortcoming in relation to being a sysop, and I feel I should do better selling myself. But, I think we all know I'm pitching a used kia, calling it a new mercedes isn't going to fool anyone.--_K 02:38, 5 April 2013 (BST)

  I wouldn't be that dismissive, and I have a lot of respect for people that are honest with themselves and others regarding what they have to offer and where they come up short. :D —Aichon— 07:22, 5 April 2013 (BST)

• Question - Do you have a preference of pronoun, and if so, what is it? I've been using "she" consistently because you primarily RP a female character, but should I be using "he", or each one in different circumstances (eg. in-game discussions v. wiki-related ones)? Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 17:36, 4 April 2013 (BST)

  I don't have a preference. Picking a female name basically took that option from me. If you want for RP reason to use one or the other that is fine --_K 22:51, 4 April 2013 (BST)

  Thanks. I'm going to against, both because it seems you're not that enthusiastic about the job, and because I'd like to see you make a more concerted effort towards wiki-improvement in the next few months. But if you do so, and bid again then, you'd likely have my support. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 01:48, 5 April 2013 (BST)

• Vouch - Kirsty would be a solid sysop. Knows the wiki, understands the community, and keeps it real. -MHSstaff 21:20, 4 April 2013 (BST)
• Question - Is this a serious bid to be a SysOP or not? I'm with Aichon. If this is now serious, let's take it seriously and remove all of the April fool's stuff. If you really want the job, I'd like to see you make an honest run at it. I don't think this sideways approach is the way to go if you're serious.-- 23:44, 4 April 2013 (BST)

  I can understand that, but this is what I got. --_K 02:38, 5 April 2013 (BST)

• Against ~ _{01:15, 5 April 2013 (UTC)}

  Some justification since it came up during crat discussion. I care less about UDWiki politics and beaurocracy than I did a year ago. A lot less. Pretty much the way sysops have been running the place is fine by me. The reason for my against vote was because I saw it as a joke bid gone overly ripe and wasn't really convinced otherwise by the time I commented. Still not entirely convinced its not. I suppose there are also some personal misgivings. Conduct during the Izumi appeal, jabs here and there about how much the sysops suck. He even has a page devoted to that last subject in his user space. We're more or less polar opposites in regards to the wiki and those types of attitudes by others are one of the reasons I stepped down from sysop last year. In the end, this will probably all come down to a crat decsion and feel free to regard this as a "weak against" or "meh". ~ _{19:35, 13 April 2013 (UTC)}

• Vouch - Punish her!--RadicalWhig 02:16, 5 April 2013 (BST)
• Question – As follow-up to User:Spiderzed's question, what have you got against the Muppets and/or Swedish soft porn? ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 02:31, 5 April 2013 (BST)

  Nothing, so long as they're together. --_K 02:40, 5 April 2013 (BST)

  That answer is acceptable. Other acceptable answers would have been CENSORED, DENIED or just plain ERADICATED. Casting Couch. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 13:44, 10 April 2013 (BST)

• What do you think could produce more interest in the wiki, wiki community, and/or game? --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 03:46, 5 April 2013 (BST)

  I'll go with wiki community, although both. The game to wiki conversation rate is small, I guess (I have no idea how many unique players the active number represents). However, the new users who stop using the wiki are a 100% loss. I still find wiki navigation painful at times and although the wiki community in general is fun (if you get used to it), there is a steep welcome curve (see: User:Peralta). --_K 04:13, 5 April 2013 (BST)

  Indeed. The wiki has been historically not very welcoming to new users. Probably not much better nowadays.--  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 23:55, 5 April 2013 (BST)

  Funny actually, before it was general hostility and trolling, now it's apathy and self-righteous wanking, either make the same level of unfriendliness as the other did ;_; ;_; ;_; ;_; A ZOMBIE ANT 05:06, 6 April 2013 (BST)

  I think the project welcome revamp is helping (and much improved from the template), but yeah I'd generally agree with that assessment. --_K 05:57, 6 April 2013 (BST)

  This was nice. Vouch --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 04:20, 8 April 2013 (BST)

• Fuck it.--SA 15:02, 6 April 2013 (BST)
• Vouch →Son of Sin← 14:43, 8 April 2013 (BST)
• Vouch - Kirsty has good knowledge of the game, humor, and is very helpful and hard-working... when she feels like it. xD --Merondi^talk XII 20:37, 10 April 2013 (BST)

After two weeks of community discussion, we bureaucrats have decided to decline that bid for now. The community vote was a contested one, with both strong points for and against you. My personal recommendation would be that you should:

1. step up your contributions,
2. add a healthy dose of janitorial gnomewerk to your contribs, and
3. improve your knowledge of wikilaw.

If you follow that advice, you should arrive at the point of being elegible within a few months. -- Spiderzed█ 22:36, 15 April 2013 (BST)

I'm just happy to make it 2 weeks without being cycled. Victory! --_K 23:51, 17 April 2013 (BST)

I think yours (and mine) have been delayed until we get to the A/PM part of the A/SA migration. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 00:04, 18 April 2013 (BST)

Why ya ruining my moment? --_K 00:19, 18 April 2013 (BST)

Oops, didn't realize it was your moment XD Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 03:40, 18 April 2013 (BST)

Bob Moncrief

• Bob Moncrief (talk | contribs | UDWiki contribs | vndl data)

I'm nominating Bob. For those of you who don't know him, you really should get to know him, or at the very least look through his history here. We tried to promote him a few months back, but he declined the nomination. Since then, he's just gotten more awesome. He's easily the most helpful user currently on the wiki, and has been for a few months.

Go look through his contributions, almost all of which are high quality edits. What you'll see is that if he's not busy updating danger reports all over the city (which he does constantly), then he's busy single-handedly restarting the efforts of Project Welcome, which has resulted in his his talk page being covered by questions from wiki newbies and his helpful replies to them. If he's not busy with rejuvenating Project Welcome, then he's busy helping me (i.e. he's doing all the work) on a major project to restructure the admin archives. And if he's not busy helping me, he's busy swatting spambots like mad. Between all of that, he's become the most active contributor in the last three months, with about the same amount of useful contributions to the wiki as the four most active sysops...combined. Quality and quantity: a rare combination.

As far as drama goes, anyone who knows him can tell he's a low-drama sort of guy. Moreover, he's shown with the recent Izumi A/DE drama and the followup A/M case that he's not afraid to enter the drama with thoughtful opinions that are stated well. And even then, he'll still ask questions and be open to considering new perspectives, rather than entering the discussion with a stance and sticking to it no matter what. As a nice bonus, he's not connected to any of the cliques that have been around. He's just a model wiki user.

Good behavior like this deserves to be punished. Make him a sysop. Hell, make him a 'crat. He can have my seat. —Aichon— 23:49, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Last time I was nominated, I declined because I could tell that I was about to enter my most work-heavy semester of undergraduate study. Turns out I was right, but that the work is finally on the downslope - I'll still be pretty busy for a couple of weeks, but by the time this gets processed, I'll be almost all done. Because of that, I'm accepting the nomination with my biggest thanks to Aichon for it. I also want to thank you, Aichon, for gathering a whole bunch of what I've been doing over the past few months on here, but I also want to mention some of the earlier projects I was involved with, namely Project Timeline and the revamp of Featured Articles. That's because they were the projects that really got me involved in the community here and in trying to improve the wiki, and, I think, set in motion the chain of events that led to this nomination.

That said, I do want to encourage you all to question me to your hearts' content. If you feel like there is anything you would want to know about me before deciding (or anything unrelated, actually), ask it. Thanks again! Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 01:18, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

I just noticed that this is supposed to be processed on April 1st. Can I ask the 'crats that it not be processed til the 2nd? This is because a) I have my last big exam of the semester on the 1st, and b) I don't want any April Fool's shenanigans going down. Thanks! Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 21:48, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Considering we can't process it until 11 minutes before the end of April 1st, it's unlikely we'll actually process it on the 1st. —Aichon— 22:02, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Perfect. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 22:04, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

• Question How is your graduation coming along? Last time, it has been the major obstacle for accepting the nomination. -- Spiderzed█ 00:03, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

  I actually just handed in the full draft of my thesis yesterday, so all I have left is the revision process and a smidgen of coursework. I graduate in May, after which I'll have tons of time to dedicate to the wiki over the summer and into the fall. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 01:18, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

  Very good. Follow-Up Misanthropy puts up a Permaban Appeal on Cornholioo's behalf. New user User:Heydrich shows up and makes a single edit, answering to each Against user and accusing them of being too Jewish. The IP of the user is Dutch, but doesn't match any existing user in the logs. What would be your reaction to this situation in the light of existing policy, precedent and wiki history? -- Spiderzed█ 12:30, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

  I would not auto-ban the user, since there was only one edit (does not meet the 3eV rule). Because the IP does not check out, I would consider the very real possibility that someone has created an account in an attempt to discredit Cornholioo's A/DE bid, and would voice this in an A/VB case, voting not vandalism by Cornholioo but vandalism (due to racism) by Heydrich and, if agreed upon by the team at A/VB, would warn Heydrich. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 14:51, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

  Follow-Up User:Heydrich responds by removing your warning from his talk page (2nd edit), leaves a threatening message on your talk page about gassing you (3rd edit) and finally votes on the A/DE vote in favour of unbanning of Cornholioo (4th edit). IP situation remains the same. Now what? -- Spiderzed█ 15:00, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

  I don't think removing the warning is against the rules (if it is, I can't find it anywhere). The vote to unban Corn is technically constructive. I would leave a message on Heydrich's talk page asking him personally to stop threatening me. If he does it again, it's back to A/VB. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 15:58, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

  Shit Spiderzed, that "Gassing" comment is so obscure as to border on obscene. --Rosslessness 17:31, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

  Very good answers. - And Ross, I wrote gassing on purpose with two s. I guess it must have been some sort of SS fixation. -- Spiderzed█ 21:46, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

  I was referring to the fact corn misspelt it as gassing once, and assumed you were testing whether the candidate recognised his specific penmanship. --Rosslessness 21:49, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

  "Gassing" is a misspelling? Since when? Do you guys only use one S over there? Honest question. —Aichon— 22:05, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

  It's not, but corn used several different spellings like gassing, gasing, gaz etc. --Rosslessness 22:15, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

  As Corn was gone, even as Generaloberst, just as I was getting involved with the wiki, I didn't recognize any spelling as particular to him. Either way, I don't think it would matter, since it could still be someone familiar with his work trying to discredit him, as I mentioned above. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 23:53, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

  WRONG - You obviously don't like what he's said and it's ever so borderline against TOU so it means you can perma him saying "got no time for this shit" then have the ops defend you in an A/M case you're obviously guilty in A ZOMBIE ANT 22:32, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

  Follow-Up As you have been digging through the sys-op archives, which sys-op do you consider to be the model sys-op? And why? -- Spiderzed█ 21:46, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

  This is a tough one. I'm still reading through parts of the archive, especially the earlier A/M cases, so I don't feel comfortable enough to name anyone who was gone long before I arrived. I'm tempted to say boxy, for maintaining strong neutrality and long-term gnoming, but (and this goes for Cheese and some others as well) neutrality is great if you're consistently active. I'm also tempted to say Aichon but I think I prefer him for his 'crat roles, and you specifically asked about 'sops. In terms of my personal experience, I'm most indebted to Vapor, whose friendly attitude towards a new user and encouragement to be involved was a major factor in my sticking around here. But I think I'm gonna have to say Ross, for being consistently around and making clear, effective, impartial decisions for such a long time, and also knowing when to step out and when not to. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 00:11, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

• Question. How would you, if the notion struck, stir some entertaining shit in this here mother? 00:22, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

  A/DE Cornholioo. But in all seriousness, I've found the most entertainment tends to come about out of the blue, as, for example, by Izumi's recent A/DE, or SA's first demotion (which I just recently found while moving it over to the Sysop Archives). Any drama brought about from calculated action (see here) is much less entertaining. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 01:18, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

  That was kind of amusing for everyone I guess.--SA 04:22, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

  Follow-up question: Would you rather encourage or clamp down upon an atmosphere of mischief and anarchy that breeds events like that? 05:48, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

  If I have to pick, I pick encourage. Although I would rather let the mischief-making make itself than be part of its making. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 07:02, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

  Same thing happened to me, not guilty (Vouch). 21:21, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

• Question - how would you deal with the offspring of Grim's and Katthew, had it choosen to become an active trol... er, user in the wiki ? --hagnat 01:19, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

  From what I can tell (and my sources are limited), Grim actually wasn't too objectionable back when he was a regular user. I know very little about Katthew, since we never overlapped, but from what I can tell most of the objections to her were after her (brief) sysophood as well. So I guess my answer is, go to the appropriate channels if necessary, and otherwise, just against on any sysop bid. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 01:35, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

  Boring answer... no vounches for you :P --hagnat 01:37, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

• Vouch Model user and will likely be a model sysop. Some users I worry a little that we might actually be promoting The Overlord who would then go rogue and force us to categorize images or something. I don't get that vibe with Bob. -MHSstaff 01:23, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
• Question are you really axe, yon, or linkthewindow? (the first two i was kidding about). --User:Sexualharrison01:41, 19 March 2013

  No, no, and no. Jury's still out on Aichon though. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 02:02, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

  And now this nomination is suddenly very awkward. >_> —Aichon— 02:39, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

  Follow up question Have I ever killed any of your alts in game?--User:Sexualharrison12:19, 19 March 2013

  Hmmm not as far as I know. I don't pay much attention to who kills any of my alts, actually. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 14:27, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

• Vouch--User:Sexualharrison21:16, 19 March 2013
• What do you think could produce more interest in the wiki, wiki community, and/or game? --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 02:07, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

  I think the most likely thing that would boost interest in the game would be the opening of another city, or the reduction in size of the one we've got, but both of those require Kevanic intervention. While it may seem like both game and wiki are losing a war of attrition, new players and new wiki members do arrive every day, so I think the best thing we can do is encourage them to stay. That's why I revamped Project Welcome - to increase retention of new wiki users.

  We've sort of fallen into a trap of not making things happen because "the wiki/game is dying." Now, when something new tries to get off the ground, there's a chorus of "but there's no point because we're dying," which leads to the thing not getting off the ground, which just reinforces the cycle. By being bold and doing things, we get people invested and excited, and that process also reinforces itself. I'd like to do what I can to create an atmosphere that makes the latter, virtuous cycle strengthen and not the former, vicious one. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 03:30, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

  Okay. I'll add to that. I've figured a bit more fiction would do well to keep the interest in the wiki, though maybe not attract it. (For an old example.) --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 23:28, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

  I read that as "friction" at first and thought "isn't that the one thing we don't lack around here?" Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 23:53, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

• Vouch ~ _{02:13, 19 March 2013 (UTC)}
• Strong Vouch - In case it wasn't obvious from the nomination. —Aichon— 03:18, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
• Vouch - Resigned as Shortround so that my new account could become a sysop, so obviously a vouch. :P --Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 03:33, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

  Twist ending: Not only am I Yon, Axe, Aichon, Linkthewindow, Hagnat, Katthew, Izumi Orimoto, and every other wiki user, if you are reading this message, I am also you. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 04:17, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

  I can confirm this. Linkthewindow  Talk  07:03, 25 April 2013 (BST)

• Prodemote the cunt.--SA 04:19, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
• Strong Against. I really like Bob and I think he's someone that improves the wiki. But since the Shortround "scandal" and Wank Hack's somewhat yet-to-be uncovered efforts to manage the same thing in the future, I don't want anyone becoming a sysop until I can verify that they are in fact a real human being dwelling in a basement, like me. Basically, that makes my ideal sysop team Boxy, Rev, maybe Karek. The rest of you are Cornholioos waiting to happen. A ZOMBIE ANT 11:35, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

  I'd live in a basement if I could, but the soil composition makes basements pretty much impossible where I live. Don't be hatin'. —Aichon— 15:39, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

  Women live in my basement.--Rosslessness 17:39, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

  Not a particular classy joke there, mate. --Thadeous Oakley Talk 17:43, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

  Shove it, Thad (it was friggin sweet) A ZOMBIE ANT 22:41, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

  It's all in the game! (I'm watching The Wire right now). As far as I'm aware, it was always about avatars, not real people. --Labla 12:21, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

  Exactly. I could easily come on here with several hundred unique and titillating personalities and the community would have to judge that personality on its face, because you have no way of judging anybody by who they actually are, only the personality and actions they bring to the wiki. So what if Bob is secretly X, Y or Z? For the time being he's doing the job we want him to, so even if he is Corn pulling the wool over our eyes, my response is: "Oh fucking well, thanks for helping run this online resource for free and good luck getting banned the instant you slip back in to racist tendencies."--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 00:11, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

  You would say that. Fact remains, shorty was a cunt act. That's the one good thing about the drama of old. It weeded out the jerks, because it's so much harder to fake a personality that is tested by fire -- boxy 14:41, 22 March 2013 (BST)

  As far as I am concerned the only reason users are returning as different accounts and becoming sysops is for the novelty and perhaps the challenge. I want users to want to be sysops, not tick off a list of novelties to accomplish before this wiki dies. A ZOMBIE ANT 08:11, 4 April 2013 (BST)

• We don't have a good history with Bobs. Not that I'm compromising my impartiality or anything. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 14:46, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

  Bob Hammero was an excelent sysop/crat --hagnat 18:15, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

  I am ashamed to say I forgot him at the time of the comment. A shame mistakes are eternal though and my shame shall forever grace the face of this promotion bid. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 04:45, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

• Vouch - Bob is a class act. As an addicted watcher of "recent changes" I really see how much he does. I'm a big fan. He's truly helpful and sets a great example for the kind of relationship a SysOp should have to the user base.-- 17:02, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
• Vouch questions are lame. --Rosslessness 17:31, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
• Question Do you have any other, prior, accounts on this wiki?--Thadeous Oakley Talk 17:39, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

  No. I found (and joined) UrbanDead in November of 2011, and joined the Wiki on New Years 2012. I have never created or used any other wiki account, although I have used at least one in-game alt that I do not disclose on here. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 17:45, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

• Against I think Bob would be a great sysop, but also foolish enough to be one. I do this for his own good. --_K 22:07, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
• Vouch. Few days ago I did run into him in game and posted something like this: If you can discover a better way of administrating than office-holding for your future sysops, a well-governed wiki becomes a possibility. Am I oracle? Anyway he's the exact opposite of everything I really hate (in the scope of wiki). AFAIK he is solely reposible for keeping wiki alive - exluding trash talk between old-timers he owns Recent Changes. Enough said, crown Bob! --Labla 12:01, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

  Dead walks. Trash talks. What else do you expect from a wiki about UD? -- Spiderzed█ 17:28, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

  Nothing else. That is why I support everything outside of the box... like most of Bob's activities. --Labla 18:50, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

• Strong Vouch - Countering Kirsty Cotten's vote--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 21:54, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
• Vouch - If he's this active while busy with his work, I can't wait to see what he'll do now that he's finished it. --^A_O^R_D^M_O^P_R^I _! ^T 19:11, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
• No, seriously - have you ever posted here under another name? Your early contribs (months of them) consist, exclusively, of danger and EMRP reports -- boxy 14:34, 22 March 2013 (BST)

  No, I never have. I joined the wiki on New Years' 2012, but school got in the way and I didn't edit again until I happened to find the DangerReport & EMRP system in March. Then that's all I participated in until I happened to notice Project Timeline on the front page in May, got involved with that, and through that got pulled into all the other sections of the wiki. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 22:45, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

  OK then, I think you should do fine -- boxy 08:15, 23 March 2013 (BST)

• Question - What's up with this? --Thadeous Oakley Talk 16:31, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

  That was me continuing the joke that Bob was a secret alt. I didn't expect anyone to actually take it seriously. —Aichon— 17:57, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

  But you're always serious being serious like all the time ever seriously. --Thadeous Oakley Talk 20:28, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

  Hey, don't blame me. You started it. —Aichon— 21:16, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

  Yeah that puzzled me a lot. I don't know if anyone's Checkusered me - I kind of assumed that Aichon had and someone happened to have attended the same school I do, or lived in the same city (in a different part of the US), but didn't want to make a big deal of it. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 22:45, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

  Okay guys. I will allay your fears about Bob being another Bob, or being someone other than Bob—all the while being at the same time Bob. I've devised a test that will subconsciously probe for other identities. Here we go.

  If I preferred the number 72, which number would you prefer?

  If you saw a Nali, would you kill it?

  If I had a grim day, what is your favourite letter?

  Is pedentic spelled correctly?

  Fill in the blanks: P_V_LU_

  Is there any tar on your van?

  Are you a zombie killer? Or a slayer?

  Is there an axe in your name? Anywhere? A hidden axe? 27 axes?

  If I made an honest mistake, would you correct it?

  Would you rather be a hero of a bar, or a room? (Or both?)

  Did Matthew measure the temperature in fahrenheit or kelvin?

  Do panthers bleed?

  What is your signature supposed to look like?

  Woot?

  Are you the Duke of Garland?

  Have you nailed your hand lately with a nailgun? Did it hurt?

  Are you bubonic?

  Do you like cheese?

  Has Link been sighted while looking through the window?

  You're not Iscariot.

  Is a rooster greater than or less than (or possibly equal to) a dragon?

  And, just to be sure: are helpful gnomes little or large?

  --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 23:22, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

  114, no, H, no it's "pedantic", _A_V__V, I don't have a van, I mostly revive them actually, no, I might note it but not correct it, a room (I think), everyone should measure in celsius, only Florida ones, Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 23:33, 22 March 2013 (UTC), Woot who?, no, no but one time I sliced up my finger with shears, no, yes especially brie, yes, no I'm not, I'm a goat in the Chinese zodiac, they are always little. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 23:33, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

  Okay guys, he checks out. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 23:39, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

  I checkusered him when I was Shortround. the IP he uses isn't linked to any other user who has been checkusered in the entire history of UDwiki and doesn't match up to any known proxy websites.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 23:25, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

  If it prevents misconduct, I'll say that I am completely in favor of the information above having been released. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 23:33, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

  I doubt that even Yon is stupid enough to do that twice -- boxy 08:15, 23 March 2013 (BST)

  Or I've left the wiki and don't care any more?--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 18:47, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

  Is this like the last time you left (in that you didn't)? 20:26, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

  Where the hell did you get an IP list of “any other user who has been checkusered in the entire history of UDwiki”? Or do you just mean that CheckUser's 2 week history didn't pull anything up, but you had to use your subscription to Hyperbole Nanosecondly or risk losing it? ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 05:48, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

  No, I checked it against the archive of every user that has been checkusered in the wiki's history, something that any system operator should know about.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 16:11, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

  He checked over 9000! Only he didn't actually check Bob, as can be seen from those very same archives -- boxy 16:51, 24 March 2013 (BST)

  I can confirm. In fact, there's no record of anyone checkusering him at any time, though I could've sworn I checkusered him when there were questions about his identity during his last promotion bid. Maybe I didn't though. I'm not certain. —Aichon— 22:46, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

  Well, if no one's checkusered me, I give my full express permission to do so, and release the same extent of information as Yonnua did above. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 02:41, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

  See, that's the only thing I figured you could have meant, but that statement was so far from being accurate I was hoping you had something better. Ah, well. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 12:29, 31 March 2013 (BST)

• Vouch - MEH --Thadeous Oakley Talk 20:28, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
• vouch. seconding sarah silverman's vouch. though i do not know bob at all, he is really really everywhere on recent changes. --Anja Arnheim 23:29, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
• Couch – Nail him to the damn wiki. Er, in a good way. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 05:48, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
• Vouch - Bob was one of the first guys i ever met on the wiki and he helped me out,so i guess i have to vouch for him...--PayneTrain 05:54, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
• Vouch - Not sure if I'm allowed to vouch actually, but Bob's activity and actions were directly responsible for renewing my interest in both the wiki and the game. His involvement and responses to recent events give me confidence he would do a good job, and I would look forward to having him as a sysop. Boneshred The Hungry 23:01, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

After a brief discussion with Aichon, we have come to the conclusion that you clearly qualify. This bid was successful. -- Spiderzed█ 22:17, 2 April 2013 (BST)

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