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This page is for the request of page deletions within the Urban Dead wiki. Due to concerns about loss of data, the ability to delete pages is restricted to system operators. As such, regular users will need to request a deletion from the system operators. For consistency and accountability, system operators also adhere to the guidelines listed here.
==Guidelines for Deletion Requests==
All Deletion Requests '''must''' contain the following information in order to be considered:
* '''A link to the page in question.''' Preferably bolded for visibility. Note that Category and Image links need a colon at the front to turn them into links (ie <code><nowiki>[[:Category:Category]]</nowiki></code> and <code><nowiki>[[:Image:Image.jpg]]</nowiki></code>).
* '''A reason for deletion.''' This should be short and to the point.
* '''A signed datestamp.''' This can be easily done by adding <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> to the end of your request.
In addition to placing a request on this page, please place the '''''<nowiki>{{delete}}</nowiki>''''' tag on the top of the page that is being recommended for deletion. Please make sure that the original content remains on the page, so that others can judge whether the page is worthy of deletion.
Any deletion request that does not contain these three pieces of information will not be considered, and will be removed by a system operator.
Once the deletion request has been entered, the request shall remain on this page, where it will be voted on for a period of two (2) weeks, as judged by the initial datestamp. At the conclusion of this two weeks, the appropriate action will be taken by a system operator, and at the end of that day the request will be moved into the [[UDWiki:Administration/Deletions/Archive|Archive]].
Certain types of pages may be better being scheduled for deletion in order to reduce the amount of red tape and stop this page getting too cluttered. To lodge a request for scheduled deletions, head for [[UDWiki:Administration/Deletions/Scheduling]].
Deletion of pages that match a certain criteria may be better serviced by a request for a Speedy Deletion. Speedy Deletions are for removal of pages that are clearly of no value to the wiki, and do not incur the two week voting requirement. Speedy Deletion requests can be lodged at [[UDWiki:Administration/Speedy Deletions]].
{{speedydeletioncriteria}}
==Guidelines for Voting on Deletion Requests==
* One vote per user.
* Voting should take place underneath the request, and each vote should be started with a {{CodeInline|#}} with no empty lines inbetween votes.
* There are four vote types:
** '''Delete'''. For agreement with the deletion request
** '''Merge'''. For indication that the content on the page should be merged with another page (includes an implicit '''Delete''').
** '''Speedy Delete'''. For indication that the page meets one of the [[UDWiki:Administration/Speedy Deletions|Speedy Deletions]] Criteria (includes an implicit '''Delete''').
** '''Keep'''. For disagreement with the deletion request.
* The specific vote keyword should be bolded within the lodged vote. Any relevant comments are also allowed, but these should not be bolded.
* At least one '''Delete''' vote must be entered by the deadline in order for a page to be deleted. System operators may not use their own vote after the deadline to delete a page.
* If more '''Delete''' votes are entered than '''Keep''' votes, the page will be deleted. In any other circumstance, the page is kept.
* If 3 '''Speedy Delete'''s are lodged, and there are no '''Keep''' Votes, the page will be deleted as per [[UDWiki:Administration/Speedy Deletions|Speedy Deletions]].
==Deletion Queue==
''No pages up for deletion''
==Recent Actions==
==Recent Actions==
===[[STARS Radio FM]]===
===[[The_Republic_of_Digby|The Republic of Digby]]===
Not updated in a long time, looks unused to me (and I've never heard of it)--[[User:ScouterTX|ScouterTX]] 07:03, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
Content cleared by owner, might as well be a speedy --[[User:Bean|Bean]] 15:33, 12 June 2011 (BST)
#'''Delete''' --[[User:ScouterTX|ScouterTX]] 07:03, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
# '''Speedy''': Page was blanked by the only guy who maintained it, Author Edit Only implied --[[User:Bean|Bean]] 15:33, 12 June 2011 (BST)
#'''<s>Keep</s> Delete''' -- There's enough on there to make it worth keeping (although if the STARS guys come over and want it nuked, I'll happily change my vote.) {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 07:11, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
#'''Scheduled''' - User has blanked the page and created a new group. Crit 7 by proxy.--[[User:Yonnua Koponen|<span style="color: DarkOrange">Yonnua Koponen</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Yonnua Koponen| <span style="color:Gold">T</span>]][[DvB| <span style="color: Goldenrod">G</span>]]</sup><sup><span class="plainlinks">[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=840689 <span style="color: DarkGoldenrod"> P</span>] </span></sup> [[User:Yonnua Koponen/Sandbox|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[Discosaurs|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[{{TALKPAGENAME}}#Donkey|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]] 16:01, 12 June 2011 (BST)
#:"There's enough on there to make it worth keeping" ... like what? (Most of the people mentioned aren't even in the group anymore BTW. Actually, the cop is the only one)--[[User:ScouterTX|ScouterTX]] 09:22, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
#:'''Vote Changed''' - Group wants it deleted, it should go. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 06:43, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
#'''Keep''' - As Jorm. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 09:27, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
#'''Keep''' - Put some more evidence forward first Scouter, do some more research.--{{User:Disco Inferno/signature}} 11:13, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
#:I've been part of that group for over one year and I know what went down, thank you.--[[User:ScouterTX|ScouterTX]] 11:53, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - Abandoned, nothing really interesting or important there.  --{{User:Zombie slay3r/Signature}} 02:30, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
#'''<s>Merge</s>Delete'''Make it a group sub-page. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 08:47, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
#'''Baleet.''' Useless, abandoned, potential-free. --[[User:Blackboard|Blackboard]] 15:55, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' Part of an old group. We don't use it no more. Feel Free --[[User:The Cop|The Cop]] 23:16, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - As above.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 06:45, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - per group's wishes. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 23:23, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - Group wants it gone. --[[User:Johnny Bass|Johnny Bass]] 19:24, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - As above. --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 19:50, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - We don't use it. --[[User:Kewabara1|Kewabara1]] 14:48, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - That is incredibly old, and the new group leaders have voted on this too, so I vote with them. No I have no free will. [[User:Elven2006|Elven2006]] 22:35, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
'''Deleted''' --{{User:Zombie slay3r/Signature}} 01:18, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 
===[[Resurrection_of_Caiger_Mall]]===
A barely used, barely filled "conflict" page. No edits to expand upon it in almost two months. Left a note on the talk saying I would put it here. Gave them over a month. Still nothing. Not something deserving of its own page.--BFFs [[User:Suicidalangel|'''+SA+''']][[User:Nubis|N]][[User:Suicidalangel|SA]][[User:Nubis|N]][[User:Suicidalangel|SA]][[User:Nubis|N]][[User:Suicidalangel|SA]][[User:Nubis|N]][[User:Suicidalangel|SA]][[User:Nubis|N]][[User:Suicidalangel|SA]][[User:Nubis|N]][[User:Suicidalangel|SA]][[User:Nubis|N]][[User:Suicidalangel|SA]][[User:Nubis|N]][[User:Suicidalangel|SA]][[User:Nubis|N]][[User:Suicidalangel|SA]][[User:Nubis|N]] 4 EVA!!! 22:15, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 
#'''Baleet''' --BFFs [[User:Suicidalangel|'''+SA+''']][[User:Nubis|N]][[User:Suicidalangel|SA]][[User:Nubis|N]][[User:Suicidalangel|SA]][[User:Nubis|N]][[User:Suicidalangel|SA]][[User:Nubis|N]][[User:Suicidalangel|SA]][[User:Nubis|N]][[User:Suicidalangel|SA]][[User:Nubis|N]][[User:Suicidalangel|SA]][[User:Nubis|N]][[User:Suicidalangel|SA]][[User:Nubis|N]][[User:Suicidalangel|SA]][[User:Nubis|N]][[User:Suicidalangel|SA]][[User:Nubis|N]] 4 EVA!!! 22:15, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
#'''Ion Cannon (Delete)''' From low orbit {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 05:52, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete'''. Delete delete delete. --[[User:Blackboard|Blackboard]] 13:43, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete'''. Seriously, a wiki page doesn't need to be made for every single thing that happens at this mall. --[[User:Johnny Bass|Johnny Bass]] 15:15, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
#:I disagree. May I direct you to my page - [[Blackboard finds ammo, pool cue at Caiger]].--[[User:Blackboard|Blackboard]] 16:13, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
#::Clearly a very epic struggle has been immortalized by your page. It's right up there with this event and probably should go up for historical status. --[[User:Johnny Bass|Johnny Bass]] 17:44, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - Cillit bang!--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 16:21, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - Caiger Mall? Does anyone still actually give a shit about that place? --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 17:24, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - Spam. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 22:29, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - For great justice.  --{{User:Zombie slay3r/Signature}} 08:04, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - Meh. --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 16:44, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - Boringasslicious. MEIN FUHRER, I CAN WALK!--[[User:ScouterTX|ScouterTX]] 23:18, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 14:04, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - So short it could be Vern the Midget. --[[User:The Cop|The Cop]] 23:18, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
'''Deleted''' <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 07:09 27 February 2009 (BST)</small>
 
===[[Barhah-Raz]]===
A propaganda page pushed by the [[Talk:Rowcliffe Must Fall#The Great Suburb Group Massacre|long inactive]] [[Rowcliffe Must Fall]] group.
Most of the content is just an out of date edit of the [[Pegton]] page. Their various propagandistic additions are also repeated on their group page anyway. I ''guess'' it could just be moved to a group subpage, but as noted above they are inactive, and the content is largely duplicated. I bring it here, since more discussion can be generated.
 
Included in this request are the following:
*<s>[[User:DangerReport/Barhah-Raz]]</s>
*<s>[[User:NTstatus/Barhah-Raz]]</s>
*<s>[[Template:NonSuburb]] - (Redundant if page deleted)</s>
*[[Barhah-Raz Building Information Center]]
 
Discuss. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 14:46, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 
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#'''Move''' - Make sub-pages of [[Rowcliffe Must Fall]]. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 17:21, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
#'''Merge''' - to subpage of RMF, as Moloch. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 17:29, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
#'''Merge''' - All hail Papa Moloch. His age is Papa, and his face is Moloch. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4 I jizzed in my pants]  [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 18:24, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
#'''Move''' to their subpage. --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 20:40, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
#'''Move''' As Janus. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 05:53, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
Haven't we already voted on this in the last couple of months? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:25, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
:I believe we did, yes... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 17:28, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
::[[Special:Whatlinkshere/Barhah-Raz|Whatlinkshere]] is a wondrous thang! [[UDWiki:Administration/Deletions/Archive/Jul_2008#Barhah-Raz|Try 7 months ago]] <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 11:19 10 February 2009 (BST)</small>
:::So? :| --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 13:29, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Since it was voted to move, I've cleaned up their templates a little, and three of the pages above now qualify for SD. [[Barhah-Raz]] and [[Barhah-Raz Building Information Center]] just need moving and some link fixes afterwards. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 16:46, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
'''Moved''' to [[Rowcliffe Must Fall/Barhah-Raz]] & [[Rowcliffe Must Fall/Barhah-Raz Building Information Center]] <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 07:09 27 February 2009 (BST)</small>
 
===[[Grayside Civil War]]===
A pointless page about a non-event which provides not a whit of useful, informative, factual or even ''entertaining'' information. It doesn't approach anywhere near NPOV: it's just a collage of POV rants which don't even make sense. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 00:22, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 
#'''Delete''' - Has no "potential". Except for spastics to make drama amongst each other. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]]
#'''Delete''' - See above, excluding the "spastics" --[[User:ScouterTX|ScouterTX]] 00:34, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
#:"Except for to make drama amongst each other." sounds stupid though. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 00:38, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
#::Doesn't really matter in this case I guess. --[[User:ScouterTX|ScouterTX]] 01:13, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' to avoid further drama concerning it. Replace "spastics" with "people" then to avoid illogical fallacy. My brain hurts :/ --[[User:Ryzak Black|Ryzak Black]] 01:07, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - Wow. {{User:Met fan/sig}} 01:09, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Keep''' -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:10, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - Dammit Wan, you beat me to it! {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 01:12, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
#:Just remembered [[UDWiki:Administration/Deletions/Archive/2008_12#Liberation_Day_and_Ironfist|these]] from last month. If I remember correctly, the content is quite different (but one could argue that this page still is breaking the ''spirit'' of the policy-although it would be a bit of a long shot, tbh.) This silly little bout of drama has been going on for a while, it seems. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 12:26, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' post-haste. Saying "opinion" is not a way to make POV okay on a public page. {{User:Blackboard/sig}} 01:16, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Keep''' - It seems to be an active page and maybe with more work it won't suck so hard. Is there anyway we can move it to a group or user subpage?--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 01:25, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
#:[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning#User:ScouterTX_and_User:Ryzak_Black You should lurk more]--[[User:ScouterTX|ScouterTX]] 01:31, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
#::[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Blue_Aegis_Group%2FHistory%2FGrayside_Conflict&diff=1360699&oldid=1360461 You should have a VB warning for editing a subpage of a group you aren't in.]--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 22:21, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
#::Um, what the hell did that prove? I have read that before and I merely agree that is should be moved to the group namespace.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 01:43, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
#:::You mean like [[Blue Aegis Group/History/Grayside Conflict|last time]]? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 10:43 29 January 2009 (BST)</small>
#::::Oh yeah, that was really hardcore vandalism! How could I! --[[User:ScouterTX|ScouterTX]] 14:17, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - about 3 people will care when this goes. {{User:Liberty/Sign}} 04:10, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Keep''' - Let them get it all out <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 10:42 29 January 2009 (BST)</small>
#:Meh, there's no potential here. It's too big a mess, and everything I have seen of the contributors points to the fact that they don't possess the skill set to turn it into a coherent page. Furthermore, I object to the name. STARS, who are probably the single most important group in E Grayside, weren't involved in this.... Therefore to call it a "civil war" when the largest, longest-standing, most important group in the suburb had nothing to do with it is misleading. If someone wants to create a REAL page, with a legit title and REAL content on this conflict -- fine. But this page belongs in the trash. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 20:20, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - While I think it's a laugh, I agree with WanYao that it isn't really a civil war, otherwise STARS would have been involved, which we wasn't. --[[User:The Cop|The Cop]] 22:38, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - Kill with fire. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 03:34, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Move''' A cute little page, but needs to be in a different namespace [[User:Asheets|Asheets]] 20:34, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - and move to group subspace. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 01:08, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
#'''Merge''' - Send it to one of the groups' userspaces.  --{{User:Zombie slay3r/Signature}} 01:06, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
#:They've already got [[Blue Aegis Group/History/Grayside Conflict|one]] that was moved to their group sub-page area, guys <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 23:51 5 February 2009 (BST)</small>
#::I see, but it doesn't have that purdy template and certain info from the Civil War page isn't on the one you linked.  --{{User:Zombie slay3r/Signature}} 06:54, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
#::: Does it need to be? The one already in their group space is fine, after the first deletions case over two of their pages, we stated if they were so inclined to make a page, not to mention our name anywhere. So if this one was deleted, it leaves that one, and if only that one remains, with no reference to us, I don't care. Although the upcoming [[Project Malton]] page they're creating doesn't look promising. --[[User:Ryzak Black|Ryzak Black]] 14:07, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete'''--BFFs [[User:Suicidalangel|'''+SA+''']][[User:Nubis|N]][[User:Suicidalangel|SA]][[User:Nubis|N]][[User:Suicidalangel|SA]][[User:Nubis|N]][[User:Suicidalangel|SA]][[User:Nubis|N]][[User:Suicidalangel|SA]][[User:Nubis|N]][[User:Suicidalangel|SA]][[User:Nubis|N]][[User:Suicidalangel|SA]][[User:Nubis|N]][[User:Suicidalangel|SA]][[User:Nubis|N]][[User:Suicidalangel|SA]][[User:Nubis|N]][[User:Suicidalangel|SA]][[User:Nubis|N]] 23:54, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - Meh. Just kill it. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 23:56, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - KILL IT WITH FIRE --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4 I jizzed in my pants]  [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 18:21, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
:'''Deleted'''--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 18:11, 13 February 2009 (UTC)


===[[Blue Aegis Group/History/Grayside Conflict]]===
'''Deleted''' as a crit 7 by proxy.--<span>[[User:The General|The General]] <sup>[[User Talk:The General|T]] [[Special:ListUsers/sysop|<span title="System Operator">Sys</span>]] [[Project_UnWelcome|<span title="Project UnWelcome">U!</span>]] [[Project Wiki Patrol|<span title="Project Wiki Patrol">P!</span>]] <span class="plainlinks">[http://urbandeadwiki.smfforfree.com/index.php <span title="Urban Dead Wiki Forum">F!</span>]</span></sup></span> 17:05, 12 June 2011 (BST)
Due to a mutual agreement, that satisfies both parties, I would like this page to be deleted. As this page has been edited by others (albeit in a very minor way) I would like to ask that this page be deleted.
--[[User:Captain Rickety|Captain Rickety]] 17:30, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
#'''Speedy Delete''' then? --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 17:47, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:I got it. It was only editted by others to fix NPOV stuff. Still qualifies as a speedy.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 18:09, 13 February 2009 (UTC)


=== Zombykiller user page ===
===[[Lamportians]]===
This page was [[UDWiki:Administration/Deletions/Archive/Feb_2008#Lamportians|already]] [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Lamportians deleted]. The only reason I haven't done this as a crit 6 is because the content doesn't match completely with the current version being more role-play than straight up recruiting(like the previous iteration). This is a term only used by a singular very small group. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 05:44, 25 May 2011 (BST)
*'''Obviously Delete''' - And I really want to do this as a crit 6 but am erring on the side of caution. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 05:44, 25 May 2011 (BST)
*'''delete''' - had potential but it's just kinda shit. -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 06:02, 25 May 2011 (BST)
*'''Speedy''' - Content is similar enough, IMHO: Expanding it doesn't mean its's not crit 6. This should be a group page, it's not a "generic term".--<span>[[User:The General|The General]] <sup>[[User Talk:The General|T]] [[Special:ListUsers/sysop|<span title="System Operator">Sys</span>]] [[Project_UnWelcome|<span title="Project UnWelcome">U!</span>]] [[Project Wiki Patrol|<span title="Project Wiki Patrol">P!</span>]] <span class="stealthexternallink">[http://urbandeadwiki.smfforfree.com/index.php <span title="Urban Dead Wiki Forum">F!</span>]</span></sup></span> 09:14, 25 May 2011 (BST)
*'''Delete''' - But I don't think it's enough for a speedy. They've expanded on it quite a bit.--[[User:Yonnua Koponen|<span style="color: DarkOrange">Yonnua Koponen</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Yonnua Koponen| <span style="color:Gold">T</span>]][[DvB| <span style="color: Goldenrod">G</span>]]</sup><sup><span class="stealthexternallink">[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=840689 <span style="color: DarkGoldenrod"> P</span>] </span></sup> [[User:Yonnua Koponen/Sandbox|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[Discosaurs|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[{{TALKPAGENAME}}#Donkey|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]] 13:42, 25 May 2011 (BST)


[[User:zombykiller]]
'''Deleted''' - This be unanimous.--[[User:Yonnua Koponen|<span style="color: DarkOrange">Yonnua Koponen</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Yonnua Koponen| <span style="color:Gold">T</span>]][[DvB| <span style="color: Goldenrod">G</span>]]</sup><sup><span class="stealthexternallink">[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=840689 <span style="color: DarkGoldenrod"> P</span>] </span></sup> [[User:Yonnua Koponen/Sandbox|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[Discosaurs|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[{{TALKPAGENAME}}#Donkey|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]] 22:41, 8 June 2011 (BST)


Reason - I have created a new wiki account with exact same info as this one [[User:Bhuwannabe]]
===[[Template:Wikipedia]]===
--[[User:Zombykiller|bhuwannabe]] 00:34, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
A template which is literally identical to using the "Wikipedia:" prefix in a link. It saves precisely '''0''' bytes while using a template inclusion and increasing server load.--<span>[[User:The General|The General]] <sup>[[User Talk:The General|T]] [[Project_UnWelcome|<span title="Project UnWelcome">U!</span>]] [[Project Wiki Patrol|<span title="Project Wiki Patrol">P!</span>]] <span class="stealthexternallink">[http://urbandeadwiki.smfforfree.com/index.php <span title="Urban Dead Wiki Forum">F!</span>]</span></sup></span> 14:01, 20 May 2011 (BST)
#'''Speedy Delete''' - crit 7 (You'll notice that he posted under that name in the [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki%3AAdministration%2FDeletions&diff=1379007&oldid=1378193 history].) Please use [[A/SD|speedy deletions]] in future if you are requesting a deletion for your own page. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 00:38, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
#'''Merge''' with [[Template:WP]] and then delete. Are all the transclusions truly due to {{tl|unsigned}}? We should be linking to internal help about signatures, not to Wikipedia. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>15:03, 20 May 2011 (UTC)</sub>
#'''SD''' - {{User:Liberty/Sign}} 00:56, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
#:Which I have [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Template:Unsigned&curid=13862&diff=1891188&oldid=1870284 just done]. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>15:06, 20 May 2011 (UTC)</sub>
#It would be better if you '''keep''' and redirect the old user page (and talk page) to your new ones, so that people can still find you if they need to discuss any of your old edits <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 02:23 3 February 2009 (BST)</small>
#:Mostly. I've used my bot to subst the template in on all non-protected pages, given that it's completely redundant.--<span>[[User:The General|The General]] <sup>[[User Talk:The General|T]] [[Project_UnWelcome|<span title="Project UnWelcome">U!</span>]] [[Project Wiki Patrol|<span title="Project Wiki Patrol">P!</span>]] <span class="stealthexternallink">[http://urbandeadwiki.smfforfree.com/index.php <span title="Urban Dead Wiki Forum">F!</span>]</span></sup></span> 15:38, 20 May 2011 (BST)
#:Users don't get redirects--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 16:39, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
#'''Speedy C1''' - a template that merely uses a single wiki code command is "No content" in my books. --<small>Oh, and vote on [[UDWiki:Projects/Very_Funny...or_Not|Project Funny]], by the way.</small> --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 15:12, 20 May 2011 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - with redirect. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 14:55, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
#'''Speedy''' - as Spiderzed.--<span>[[User:The General|The General]] <sup>[[User Talk:The General|T]] [[Project_UnWelcome|<span title="Project UnWelcome">U!</span>]] [[Project Wiki Patrol|<span title="Project Wiki Patrol">P!</span>]] <span class="stealthexternallink">[http://urbandeadwiki.smfforfree.com/index.php <span title="Urban Dead Wiki Forum">F!</span>]</span></sup></span> 20:25, 20 May 2011 (BST)
#:Users don't get redirects--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 16:39, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
#'''Keep''' - You don't get to technicality off such a popular template. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 21:19, 20 May 2011 (BST)
#'''Speedy Delete''' - Crit 7. As above. --{{User:Axe27/Sig}} 00:35, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
#:[[Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Wikipedia|Popular?]] ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>21:54, 20 May 2011 (UTC)</sub>
#'''Speedy''' - I'd advise him to keep it, but it's up to him. As above. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 02:23, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
#::The bot changed all of the edits so that's not exactly an accurate revelation of how people use it. [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=Thegeneralbot This] is more realistic. People use this template because not everyone knows about the magic word, don't punish ill-informed users for being ill-informed? --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 03:44, 21 May 2011 (BST)
# Get this off ma A/D, if he wants it gone then it shall be done.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 02:51, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
#:::Why not redirect the template to an explanation of magic words? The magic word is so similar to the template that anyone who uses the template should be perfectly capbable of using the magic word.--<span>[[User:The General|The General]] <sup>[[User Talk:The General|T]] [[Project_UnWelcome|<span title="Project UnWelcome">U!</span>]] [[Project Wiki Patrol|<span title="Project Wiki Patrol">P!</span>]] <span class="stealthexternallink">[http://urbandeadwiki.smfforfree.com/index.php <span title="Urban Dead Wiki Forum">F!</span>]</span></sup></span> 09:13, 21 May 2011 (BST)
#'''Keep''' as redirect, because he just told me so :) --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 13:29, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
#:::I was under the impression that the bot only subst'd {{tl|Wikipedia}} when found in {{tl|unsigned}} template calls. I may be wrong but still, I don't think the template is as popular as you're implying. And, yes I checked thegeneralbot's contribs. I so far haven't found any edits where {{tl|Wikipedia}} was subst'd other than inside {{tl|unsigned}}. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>16:02, 21 May 2011 (UTC)</sub>
#:Users don't get redirects--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 16:39, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
#::::That's because the use in unsigned made up the bulk of {{tl|wikipedia}} uses. That said, nope, it didn't just remove the ones in unsigned, which explains why I can't find any of my old uses of it, despite the fact that I've used it frequently in the past. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 07:04, 22 May 2011 (BST)
#'''Crit 7''' - And if he requests it under the zombykiller account all your keeps count for nothing under Nubis' precedent. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 15:55, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
#I support a '''merge''' with &#123;&#123;[[Template:WP|WP]]&#125;&#125;, but suggest retaining as a [[wikipedia:WP:SRD|soft redirect]], deleting only when we can get [[WP:]] implemented as an [[wikipedia:H:IW|interwiki]] shortlink. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 05:41, 21 May 2011 (BST)
#:I asked him and he prefers the page to be kept as redirect. --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 15:57, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 05:43, 21 May 2011 (BST)
#::Users don't get redirects.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 16:37, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
#'''Keep''' - It's not actually the same as just the plain link, since the plain link requires additional code to look the same. Quick example: <code><nowiki>{{wikipedia|example}}</nowiki></code> yields {{WP|example}} while <code><nowiki>[[wikipedia:example]]</nowiki></code> yields [[wikipedia:example]]. Note the different outputs. I prefer the template since it saves some typing, and the code is cleaner. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 09:18, 21 May 2011 (BST)
#:::I thought that only redirects like 'zombykiller' (without the User prefix) weren't allowed.. :| --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 16:42, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
#:You can use the [[wikipedia:Help:pipe trick|pipe trick]] to get the same appearance; although there is slightly more code, there is far less of a drain on server resources. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 13:12, 21 May 2011 (BST)
#::::Redirects are redirects. Besides, I edited all the links to go to Bhuwanbananadanana. And he signed them all that way too.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 23:36, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
#::Pipes would work, sure, but that's why I mentioned less and cleaner code. Also, it doesn't produce "far less of a drain on server resources." When it comes to server load, the danger of templates is that if they are changed, every page they are included on needs to be re-cached. That's not an issue here since unsigned doesn't change. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 07:04, 22 May 2011 (BST)
#:::::Yeah, but redirects in the main namespace are redirects in the main namespace, and this wasn't. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>¦[[User talk:Midianian|T]]¦[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]¦[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]¦</sup></small> 00:29, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
#:::[{{fullurl:Template:Unsigned}}?action=history It's been changed twice recently]. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 07:38, 22 May 2011 (BST)
#::Users don't get redirect '''from the main namespace'''. There is absolutely nothing to say that you can't redirect an old account to a new account if you change usernames. It's pure common sense to do so, so that the user can still be found later despite having a whole new user name <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 03:27 13 February 2009 (BST)</small>
#::::"...frequently". Sorry, forgot to put that at the end of my last comment. ;) Anyway, two edits in three years (both of which had to be requested via A/PT) is nothing to be concerned with. To put things in perspective, in the same time period, your sig has changed 15x more frequently and is on more than 45x as many pages, yet none of us seem to object to it. :P {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 10:38, 22 May 2011 (BST)
#:::::Actually, ''I'' object. {{tongue}} I think we should get rid of templated sigs for precisely those reasons (added DB calls on every page load, plus cache invalidation of every page on which they are transcluded when they change), but while they are permitted by {{WIKILAW}}, I'm going to keep availing myself of the convenience. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 22:40, 22 May 2011 (BST)
#::::::Basically, yeah. This is why there was the request to delete Nosubst. This template is far less harmful though and more intuitive to the partially wiki-literate. It's a tool and you shouldn't take away tools that don't actually harm anything just for the sake of simplicity. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 03:02, 23 May 2011 (BST)
#:::::::Not sure how this template is more intuitive than the normal link; if they can find this template, they can find out how to use the link (which should be described in the help pages, anyway).--<span>[[User:The General|The General]] <sup>[[User Talk:The General|T]] [[Special:ListUsers/sysop|<span title="System Operator">Sys</span>]] [[Project_UnWelcome|<span title="Project UnWelcome">U!</span>]] [[Project Wiki Patrol|<span title="Project Wiki Patrol">P!</span>]] <span class="stealthexternallink">[http://urbandeadwiki.smfforfree.com/index.php <span title="Urban Dead Wiki Forum">F!</span>]</span></sup></span> 17:17, 24 May 2011 (BST)
#::::::::Wikipedia:wikipedia: for one. The fact that templates are easier to understand to a layman than magic words for two. We assume that most users can pick up and learn templates fairly quickly and magic words/parsers rarely. I'm actually not a fan of the template but I don't see a reason to remove the option just so we don't have to change them manually. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 03:41, 25 May 2011 (BST)
#::::::Bah. If you ''really'' objected, your actions would speak for you and you wouldn't avail yourself of it at all. :P {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 03:57, 23 May 2011 (BST)
#:::::::So the Nosubst deletion nomination counts for naught? {{tongue}}<br/> I have a policy discussion in the works, but I don't know how long it will take me to get to. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 04:33, 23 May 2011 (BST)
#::::::::So another policy will get passed by a group of individuals that give shit all about the wiki? Lovely. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>17:08, 24 May 2011 (UTC)</sub>
#:::::::::Whether it passes or not doesn't overly concern me. Which reminds me… {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 23:59, 24 May 2011 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - u dont delete my contributions to the wiki without me having a say about it --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User_talk:Hagnat|[talk]]] [[wcdz|[wcdz]]]</sup> 20:37, 22 May 2011 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - I prefer the template--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 20:40, 22 May 2011 (BST)


'''Done'''--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 16:50, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
5 delete votes and 4 keeps. Merged (via move) with {{tl|WP}}. Kept {{tl|Wikipedia}} as a soft redirect. Fixed remaining links. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>05:40, 6 June 2011 (UTC)</sub>
:No reason to have a soft redirect when a standard redirect preserves functionality and doesn't make it harder to reach the new template page(the entire purpose of soft redirects)--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 07:05, 6 June 2011 (BST)


===[[:Image:Cyberfag and rackoon.jpg]]===
... this must be one of the most dumb moves since gen tried to pass an anti-goon policy with the goons active in the wiki. Creating a redirect in [[template:wikipedia]] to ]]template:wp]] just adds more server load to a template whose main reason for deletion was server load. Its just too dumb for me to understand it. The merge votes should've count as a kept in this case, ffs --<small>[[User:Hagnat|hagnat]]</small> 12:31, 6 June 2011 (BST)
Speaking of attack images... I just noticed this little gem. --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 17:23, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
:You're right, since server load is the issue, we pretty much should have had this deleted lul -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 12:41, 6 June 2011 (BST)
:You just noticed? [[User_talk:J3D/Archive3#Misconduct|Oh really?]] --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 00:38, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
::Yeah, pretty much. I kept as a soft redirect per Rev's suggestion but Karek reverted back to a typical redirect. If people want to keep it as a redirect or just keep the template rather than delete it then that's fine with me. That was never brought up during voting but whatever. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>15:31, 6 June 2011 (UTC)</sub>
:::It's a soft redirect now actually. It was just waiting on verification that all usage was gone. Also, not really server intensive in any way. Even the claims of the editing of it were edits done by the people claiming they were a problem. Anyways, now it's set to sit for a month or three until we can be reasonably sure people have gotten the message.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 09:19, 7 June 2011 (BST)
::::I think we're both misinterpreting what a soft redirect is. They are just a short messages directing someone to an ''external'' site. I don't even think a soft (or even a "hard") redirect is warranted TBQH. It should just be deleted since that is how the voting concluded. If there is sufficient reason to keep it, put in a request at [[A/U]]. Otherwise, it comes off a lot like just a disagreement with the voting results and maneuvering things to turn this into a keep. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>05:52, 8 June 2011 (UTC)</sub>
:::::I just set it up in a way to make it clear that [[Template:WP|WP]] was the current version and this page is no longer in use as a template. Terminology be damned I guess. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 08:43, 8 June 2011 (BST)
::::::That's all well and good, but it was ''voted'' for deletion??? -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 04:34, 9 June 2011 (BST)
:::::::Yeah no, when 2 of the 5 deletes are merges and the other 4 votes are keeps that reasoning doesn't really fly. Especially when you actually read Revenants vote. That being said it's still ''going to be deleted'', it's just going to be left as a soft redirect for a bit first because the template still exists. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 09:04, 9 June 2011 (BST)
::::::::My point is that it's funny when so many people vote but in the end it becomes a situational decision by one person pushing for what they want. I voted delete because I use the <nowiki>[[wikipedia]]</nowiki> code personally, but as a whole I'm indifferent. It's worth noting though that Merge got the ''least'' votes out of all the options, even if you aren't inclined to count them as implicit deletes (which you are) -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 09:25, 9 June 2011 (BST)
:::::::::Meh, the only reason it qualifies is that last Merge vote that puts it over and since the vote in question specifically qualifies itself as situational upon the soft redirect it's really just common sense. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 09:34, 9 June 2011 (BST)
::::::::::I wasn't quite aware that we were intending on deleting it eventually and this was transitional? Is that actually the case? Cause if it is, it makes more sense and has made me look like a dil to boot. -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 11:21, 9 June 2011 (BST)
:::::::::::We are and it is.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 11:27, 9 June 2011 (BST)
::::::::::::I remember reading that but somewhere along the line I forgot. I'm a bit of a mess -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 03:51, 11 June 2011 (BST)
:::::::::::::S'ok, apparently you're not [[User:Aichon|the only one]] who doesn't have time to read s recent comments make oh so clear. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 17:29, 11 June 2011 (BST)
What are you guys doing? Let me run through the process for handling a Delete and Merge result, since it's very simple, but has apparently been forgotten:
#Merge the two pages.
#Fix all links to point to the new page, except where they were specifically being used to refer to the old one as opposed to the new one (e.g. discussions like here)
#Fix all transclusions to point to the new page that it's being merged into
#Delete the page
That's all you guys had to do, but for some reason, you got stuck between #2 and #3. Why did no one check for and fix transclusions before replacing the template with text telling people not to use it? And why was that text put in at all, when your job was to follow the vote's results and ''delete'' the page? We don't need text telling people not to use a page that's been deleted, since people don't use pages that ''aren't there''. That's why you delete them. Why has this not been done? {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 21:32, 10 June 2011 (BST)
:I did fix all incoming links and transclusions (although I think I must have missed the one transclusion in this vote). As for deleting it, that's what is currently under discussion. Pages ''have'' been kept as a redirect during a deletion before. I don't know that a redirect of this nature has been used before but I'm open to using them. I just want it made clear what is happening, since at first it seemed to me like maneuvering to turn a delete decision into a keep decision. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>21:45, 10 June 2011 (UTC)</sub>
:1. Not a standard case. 2. If you can't be asked to read any of the intervening discussion that has happened don't bother to comment. You're just wasting everyone's time at this point. Third, since I know you won't bother to read through any of it because of your "right-ness"(a common problem with users of this wiki), [[Template:Wikipedia]] is a long existing template that was implemented 5 years ago. Above and beyond that it's a popular template on [http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Template:Wikipedia wikipedia] [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Template:Wikipedia projects]. If you don't want to run the risk of users recreating it you do it [[Templte:Wikipedia|''this'']] way, which is also the only way it actually passes as a delete vote, having changed it essentially just saved the step of creating the soft redirect or redirect(since one is justified, the template [[Template:WP|still exists]]). Also, it's still getting deleted, now shoo. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 17:29, 11 June 2011 (BST)
::{{*}}"Can't be arsed".--[[User:Yonnua Koponen|<span style="color: DarkOrange">Yonnua Koponen</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Yonnua Koponen| <span style="color:Gold">T</span>]][[DvB| <span style="color: Goldenrod">G</span>]]</sup><sup><span class="plainlinks">[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=840689 <span style="color: DarkGoldenrod"> P</span>] </span></sup> [[User:Yonnua Koponen/Sandbox|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[Discosaurs|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[{{TALKPAGENAME}}#Donkey|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]] 18:32, 11 June 2011 (BST)
::I'll excuse your personal (and hurtful, coming from you) attacks on me as a courtesy. First off, I'm aware of its history and would prefer it stay around (see my vote above). Second, as I'm sure you agree, failing to fix any transclusions was an oversight in need of correction, and leaving them while altering the template is never part of proper procedure, so a mistake was definitely made here. Third, I think that you're not giving Rev enough credit, since he's a smart guy, is well-versed in the rules, and says what he means. If he had wanted it to be taken the way you say, he could have said Keep with his comment, or else he could have said Merge ''on the condition that'' it be done as he described. Instead, he said Merge, which he knows acts as a Delete, and he phrased it as a suggestion, instead of as a comment on which his vote was contingent. Fourth, see Crit 6. That's how you stop people from recreating the page on ''this'' wiki. Anyway, I'm not going to stick around to argue it further, so you'll get what you wanted from me. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 18:57, 11 June 2011 (BST)
:::Not personal, just frustrated. Sometimes even I tire of repeating myself and this would mke probably the fourth time this has been addressed. It's an unusual case and a close vote, it seems reasonable to try and do it in a way that has the least potential to cause issues(in this case phasing it out in steps). As for Crit 6, that's generally connected with vandalism cases historically. A situation that relies on it is less than ideal. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 21:44, 11 June 2011 (BST)


#'''Delete''' --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 17:23, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
=== Dupilcated image ===
#'''Keep''' - lol. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 00:10, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/File:50x16t.PNG] Un-used duplicate of [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/File:50x16.PNG], [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/File:50x16t.PNG 1] could be deletead?--{{User:Michaleson/sig}} 16:03, 17 May 2011 (BST)
#:Yeah, figured you might swing that way. Good to see that skim of sophistication you've been so desperately trying to build up since your demotion is indeed a sham after all. --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 01:51, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Scheduled''' - but I'll check with Schwan before deleting. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>16:10, 17 May 2011 (UTC)</sub>
#::lol?--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 03:07, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Speedy''' - Two days short of a scheduled. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 18:50, 17 May 2011 (BST)
#:[[User_talk:J3D/Archive3#Misconduct|Proof Bob knew about this image 3 months ago.]]--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 23:44, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - Wow. Also, its been up for [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User%3ASexylegsread&diff=1304107&oldid=1302082 months] and you just noticed, haha [[User:Liberty|Liberty]] 00:51, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
#:I'm not really that interested in keeping tabs on people. --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 01:51, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
#::What the fucks that even mean? You had obviously already seen it because you commented on it months ago.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 03:08, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
#::Yeah, i'd say [[User_talk:J3D/Archive3#Misconduct|you are interested in keeping tabs on people, or just lying :P]] --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 23:44, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
#:::Any similarities between my comment and one that might be directed at the image are purely coincidental. --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 12:21, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
#::::Ahhh Clever ;) {{User:Liberty/Sign}} 12:26, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
#::::Oh so you were just talking shit, kkk.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:27, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Keep''' -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:06, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
#:Why? This is about as blatant as it gets, and I see you voted delete on the other attack image below. --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 01:51, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
#:::Agenda... it's all agendas... ... ... **shakes it off** sorry, must have been channeling J3D there for a second <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 07:33 20 January 2009 (BST)</small>
#::::haha, shush you. But if you look i think you'll find it's read who says agenda, although i might have said it once or twice.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:19, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
#:::::Didn't he mean he was channeling ''your'' agenda?? {{User:Liberty/Sign}} 12:28, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
#::::::Nah, read always claims everything boxy does is furthering his agenda. Basically everytime boxy calls vandalism on something i've done that clearly isn't vandalism read calls agenda. Some call it paranoia, most call it being realistic. Anyhoo you weren't really expected to understand the reference :P --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:31, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
#:::::::'''Jed: ''"Some'' call it paranoia, ''most'' call it being realistic."'''
#:::::::lol --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 12:38, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
#::::::::i am pretty awesome.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:40, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Keep''' -- Really?--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 01:31, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
#:What do you mean? --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 01:51, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Speedy Delete''' - Obvious attack image. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">02:37/19/01/2009</span>]]'''
#'''Delete''' - While better made than the TZH one, it still implies that Cyberbob is into the "cyber-sex" thing, and he still won't accept my offers. Also, cocks, read the page a bit more: "Voting should take place underneath the request, and each vote should be started with a # with no empty lines inbetween votes". Jesus, how do you people confuse this stuffs? :/ --<font face="Pristina"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 02:46, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Keep''' - *sigh* Not porn and in use. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 02:51, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - Meh. It's an attack image and I voted delete on the other one. This one's a lot better made, but still delete. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 03:14, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - As SA. It's not as bad as the TZH one, but it does nothing but attack a user. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 03:23, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
#:...although it should be stated that images that attack a user or group are quite common around here. However, these last few (this and the Amber Waves one,) are basically just YOU SUCK lololololol, and have no merit whatsoever. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 12:15, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
#::I disagree with that, i mean its no awesome satire but its not just you suck, it doesn't actually say that anywhere. It's just the way it's interpreted. It even includes a pun as well as rampant characterisation, not too bad for an MSpaint job.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:24, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - Crap. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 07:16, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - ''any similarities to anybody in real life or on wiki are purely coincidental'' Yeah, right. Delete, just like the Amber one. --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 08:09, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''delete''' wavering but clearly has no purpose but to attack Bob + it's crap! --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 08:13, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
#:And Woot, although it might be hard to spot. I actually slightly enjoy this image but since me and read live together and he's stuck it on the fridge i can see it anytime i want.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:03, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
#::EDIT: if Someone provides the link Read refers to which explicitly shows Bob was aware of this months ago then feel free to change my vote... then again, its been there that long that the joke is stale and you 2 should at least come up with something a bit better. --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 14:11, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
#:::Firstly, why does it make a difference? Secondly, I like the implication that if the insult was a clever one you would vote Keep. --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 15:02, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
#::::first, It makes a difference in that if true you didn't care then so I have to wonder why you do now?  Second, the implication should be that if it was a funny and harmless insult then yes, I would be fine with it... Insulting folk with words isn't banned here so why should it be with pictures? I will vote against a good many extreme variations on such themes but such cartoons have been an accepted (and valued) form of criticism for millenia in the real world and certainly since the start of this wiki. This particular one falls on the wrong side of funny/clever for my tastes and so does the one below... just not far enough below for me to have real strong feelings on.--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 15:15, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
#:::::[[User_talk:J3D/Archive3#Misconduct|thar you go]].--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 23:44, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
#::You guys live together (in after buttsecks)? What happened to "no srsly we live in liek totally different states yo"? --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 15:04, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
#:::I was utilising sarcasm lol, sorry 4 teh confushun.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 23:36, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
#::::Link shows Bob knew about it so it his "just noticed" thing is a bit disingenuous but at the end of the day it is clearly an image designed to attack him and if he has since decided that he wants it gone then its clearly valid to ask for its removal. As for should it be, I really don't care either way anymore.--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 14:33, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''delete''' - nowhere near as offensive as the amber waves one, it's borderline. but as honestmistake, yeah, it's pointless garbage that i can't even define as "art" -- as much as i'd like to. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 11:59, 19 January 2009 (UTC) Basically, I am not against images attacking or satirising users/players, per se. If it has some degree of "artistic merit" so to speak, and/or clear satirical acumen, i.e. it's actually funny, then I'd probably keep it. But if it's basically just "YOU'RE FAT AND GAI AND YOU FUXXX GOATS!!!elven!" then get rid of it. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 12:05, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
#:Actually, "YOU'RE FAT AND GAI AND YOU FUXXX GOATS!!!elven!" is funnier than any of these attack ads. Which is, like, my point. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 12:08, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Keep''' Stfu Wan, Bob and any of you other self-righteous cunts. Wan, you dont need to make 6 million edits and timestamp them all to give your shitty opinion, and opinion that doesn't even matter beyond your initial keep or delete, about a paint drawing that bob noticed months ago (if you skim through the edit wars at the time, he commends me on my "mspaint skills bro". Also, any of you who think it is a serious attempt at art need to take a long hard look at yourselves. It is nothing but an expression of opinion.....of cyberfag and rackoon. In conclusion, Wan, I come in to contact with you like once a month. And each time you are a total faggot and I hate you more. You do not need to make 1mil edits to a vote on the deletions page. Nobody gives two shits.--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 12:53, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
#:It's a pointless attack. The only reason it has for being on the wiki is to create drama.--{{User:Drawde/Sig}} 16:37, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
#::Obviously....--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 03:05, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
#:::Get a life, cretin. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 11:35, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
#::::Deary me. Michael, it is clearly an attack that has no place on the wiki, unless you enjoy creating drama. Drama = Bad, m'kay?--{{User:Drawde/Sig}} 22:53, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
#:::::I think it is pretty obvious that I like drama.--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 03:11, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 12:58, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - Pointless attack. I voted delete on the other, so it's fair to vote the same here.--{{User:Drawde/Sig}} 16:31, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - I voted delete on the other image. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 17:22, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Keep''' - cyberbob whining because of an attack image ? sudden change of roles in here --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 17:48, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
#:When have I ever made an attack image, you hopeless shit? --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 02:38, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
#::This has produced everything I wanted + more.--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 03:05, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - As Drawde --{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 18:19, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Keep''' and cry about it on your own time. {{User:Blackboard/sig}} 20:30, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - If the thing was clever I might vote keep. As is it's pointless and kinda sad. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 15:01, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
#:I am curious to know, do you people really believe I intended to make it look anything more than a quick piece of shit drawing on mspaint? It was created during an edit war and I haven't cared enough about my user page to edit it in a couple of months now. It is more sad that you judge the quality of an obvious attempt at being deliberately shit, and use it as some sort of insult. Ffs seriously your all fucking gay--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 15:14, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
#::<nowiki>*</nowiki>you're. lal. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:10, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
#::I am curious to know, do you people actually try to understand what your talking about before failing miserably? Lawl cawks amarite? --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 12:05, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
#:::"Do you people". Also, you aren't too good at arguments are you Karek? You basically just said NO U but you dressed it up a little. Fail.--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 13:10, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
#::::You're really bad at recognizing patterns and similarities. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 14:43, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
#:::::lol, k then.--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 15:44, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Töten Sie es mit ein wohnwagon!!''' - Für große Gerechtigkeit! -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 16:09, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
#:For those of us who can't speak German - {{CodeInline|'''Kill it also wohnwagon!!''' - For large justice}}-damn Bablefish doesn't know what wohnwagon means, although google says it's "living wagon" :/. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 10:36, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
#::'For those of you who can't speak German, neither can I, but I'll give you an equally confusing sentence, to remember instead of the original German one'. {{User:Liberty/Sign}} 11:29, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
#::"mit" likely means "with". "whonwagon" is still a bit of a mystery. A more sensible translation might be {{CodeInline|'''Kill it with whonwagon!!''' - For great justice}}.--{{User:The General/sig}} 19:37, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
#:::Pretty sure he spelled wohnwagen wrong. And I'm pretty sure he was meaning something along the lines of "Killing it with a bandwagon", or something to that effect. I don't know, I'm still tired.--<font face="Pristina"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel -</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 22:24, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
#::::That would make sense, and it would be why a dictionary wouldn't understand it ("bandwagon" isn't exactly standard vocab anyway).--{{User:The General/sig}} 22:43, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
#:::::If I'm remembering my Standard Grade German properly, wohnwagen is actually supposed to be Caravan. Might have spelt it wrong though. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 23:02, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
#:::::Nope. I am right. =D Wohnwagen run by itself through babelfish comes back as Camper which is pretty much a caravan. So it actually says: Kill it with a Caravan!! -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 23:07, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
#::::::Well, if you were going for caravan, then alright, you had it right. But I figured you were using it as another way to say bandwagon, or a similar meaning. Killing something with a caravan doesn't seem to make sense here. Also, you still spelt wohnwagen wrong. You gave it an o instead of an e. :P --<font face="Pristina"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel -</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 23:18, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete'''-Not because it's an attack page but because it's stupid and crap.--{{User:The General/sig}} 19:37, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Keep''' - lol --[[User:Shakey60|Shakey]] <sup>[[Beatbox_Kids|BBK]] </sup> 11:10, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
#:You are a valued member of this community. Thank you for your ongoing contribution. --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 11:44, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
#::In short: ''Thank you for your input.'' --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 20:48, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
#:::Let me set the scene, "Shakey" is a dark coloured kettle, and bobby is a similar shaded pot. Bob:"Hey kettle, you're black".--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 12:20, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - "OH YEA WELL! UR A MINION" Kick ass argument was kick ass --{{User:WOOT/sig}} 02:40, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - At least use Paint Shop Pro.--[[User:ScouterTX|ScouterTX]] 18:06, 1 February 2009 (UTC)


*'''Deleted'''. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 20:17, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
A. Schwan confirmed [[User_talk:A.schwan#Orphaned_Images|on his talk page]] that the image was unneeded, so I deleted it as crit 7 by proxy. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>21:37, 17 May 2011 (UTC)</sub>


=== Umbrella Zerg ===
===[[Template:Nosubst]]===
[[Umbrella Biohazard Containment Service/Umbrella/Zerg]]
Horrible hack that exists only to work around sensible software limitations. We should take the opportunity given by the new sig size limits to recognise this, delete this abomination, and have all users made to use proper signatures. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 11:26, 2 May 2011 (BST)
:Just to be clear... this isn't going to break existing sig inclusions, is it. Just people who (attempt to) use it from now on.<br />I have long hated templated sigs, but then I also hate having to scroll through huge swathes of sig code if it's subst'ed into discussions <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] 11:37, 2 May 2011 (BST)</small>
::Correct.<br/> And yeah, me too, but it's a bit “damned if you do, damned if you don't”, and templated sigs cause more problems than they solve, which is why they're prohibited by default by the MediaWiki software unless you deliberately circumvent that with a measure such as this template.{{User:Revenant/Sig}} 11:53, 2 May 2011 (BST)
:::Or change a one-line setting in the software....--{{User:The General/sig}} 12:09, 2 May 2011 (BST)
::::Sadly I feel its too late. If it was setup from the beginning, I'd have no problem, but deleting it now is just going to break loads of links. Rev should set up UDWiki 2.0 --[[User:Rosslessness|Rosslessness]] 12:16, 2 May 2011 (BST)
:::::It '''was''' set up in the beginning, by Kevan, and then hacked around by users. And it shouldn't change any links that use it properly: the rest can be easily fixed. What it ''will'' do is necessitate users to change their sigs. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 12:27, 2 May 2011 (BST)
::::::'''No it wasn't'''. The mediawiki software didn't originally force substitution in signatures: It was added in an update and there wasn't originally a setting to turn it off, so we developed a workaround.--{{User:The General/sig}} 12:33, 2 May 2011 (BST)
::::::Whats the fix? --[[User:Rosslessness|Rosslessness]] 12:37, 2 May 2011 (BST)
:::::::Mostly deleting it out of [[User:MrAushvitz|MrAushvitz]]'s [[Template talk:Nosubst|fucking sig]]. {{grr}} {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 12:44, 2 May 2011 (BST)
::::::::Ah, thats why its used on so many of the old suggestion pages. Get on that, use your crazy robot. --[[User:Rosslessness|Rosslessness]] 12:49, 2 May 2011 (BST)
#'''Kill''' with fire. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 11:26, 2 May 2011 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - Templated sigs are allowed by wiki policy; If you don't like it then change the policy rather than  trying to delete the template that allows them.--{{User:The General/sig}} 11:44, 2 May 2011 (BST)
#:Mind to show me where a policy directly grants the use of templated sigs as a right? Can't find it in [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion/Signature Policy|the sig policy]], nor do I see any other applicable policy. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 11:57, 2 May 2011 (BST)
#::The section that says: What would be allowed - Anything that isn't? --[[User:Yonnua Koponen|<span style="color: DarkOrange">Yonnua Koponen</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Yonnua Koponen| <span style="color:Gold">T</span>]][[DvB| <span style="color: Goldenrod">G</span>]]</sup><sup><span class="stealthexternallink">[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=840689 <span style="color: DarkGoldenrod"> P</span>] </span></sup> [[User:Yonnua Koponen/Sandbox|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[Discosaurs|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[{{TALKPAGENAME}}#Donkey|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]] 12:01, 2 May 2011 (BST)
#'''Kill''' this is terrible, I assume, so down with it or something. --'''<span style="font-size:95%">[[User:Katthew|<span style="color: #229922">カシュー</span>]]</span>''', <span style="font-size:80%">[[User:Katthew/Zombie Improvements|<span style="color: #229922">ザ ゾンビ クィーン</span>]]</span> <span style="font-size:50%; color: #229922">'''('''[[The Dead 2.0|<span style="color: #229922">ビープ ビープ</span>]]''')'''</span> [[Image:Katthewsigtag.gif]] <span style="font-size:115%; color: #229922">'''@'''</span> 12:17, 2 May 2011 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - This template is linked to [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Nosubst|lots of stuff]].  Who is going to fix all of the broken links if this gets deleted?--{{User:Giles Sednik/sig}} 12:24, 2 May 2011 (BST)
#:'''Me''', if nobody else does, and '''before''' it gets deleted. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 12:34, 2 May 2011 (BST)
#'''keep''' as above--&nbsp;[[Image:Boobs.sh.siggie.gif|link=User:Sexualharrison|18px]] &nbsp; <small> [[User talk:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">bitch</span>]]&nbsp;&nbsp;</small><small>12:31, 2 May 2011 (utc)</small>
#'''Keep''' - just because I think General has a better option of dealing with this- it would also allow more comfortable transition period for those of us who do used the damned templated sigs. -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 12:47, 2 May 2011 (BST)
#'''Keep''' --[[User:Yonnua Koponen|<span style="color: DarkOrange">Yonnua Koponen</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Yonnua Koponen| <span style="color:Gold">T</span>]][[DvB| <span style="color: Goldenrod">G</span>]]</sup><sup><span class="stealthexternallink">[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=840689 <span style="color: DarkGoldenrod"> P</span>] </span></sup> [[User:Yonnua Koponen/Sandbox|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[Discosaurs|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[{{TALKPAGENAME}}#Donkey|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]] 12:59, 2 May 2011 (BST)
#'''Keep''' -- [[Image:Cat Pic.png|14px]] [[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''Thadeous Oakley''']]</span> [[User_Talk:MisterGame|<span style= "color: black; background-color: white">'''''Talk''''']]</span>  13:08, 2 May 2011 (BST)
#'''Kill''' -- Honestly ok with this. Can we get rid of the signature policy next? Maybe replace it with something that simply says your sig can't impersonate other users, break pages, and needs to show who you are and leave it at that? --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 13:41, 2 May 2011 (BST)
#'''Kill''' Having looked at it,  seems fair, as long as rev wipes out the linked list. --[[User:Rosslessness|Rosslessness]] 13:52, 2 May 2011 (BST)
#'''Keep''' --{{User:Imthatguy/sig}} ''' 14:31, 2 May  2011 '''
#'''Keep''' It works fine. Has for years. Old folks coming back to the wiki will have to deal with some shit the first time they try to sign. Would be pretty off-putting I think. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] [[File:Etat.gif|link=http://on.cnn.com/lIVw45|Amurica. Fuck. Yeah]] <sub>22:19, 2 May 2011 (UTC)</sub>
#'''Delete''' <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] 07:42, 3 May 2011 (BST)</small>
#'''Delete''' -obsolete --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 15:41, 3 May 2011 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - The only way I'll be okay with a delete if there is a code length limit on signatures. So steal from WP, basically. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 23:56, 10 May 2011 (BST)
#:With the software update, signatures are now limited by the software to 255 characters. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 03:41, 11 May 2011 (BST)
#::The Goon's signature (and probably others) still manage to be ridiculously big. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 04:33, 11 May 2011 (BST)
#:::They're subst'd in. If they were using {{tl|nosubst}} and signing using e.g. {{tl|Goonsig|<nowiki>SUBST:</nowiki>Nosubst{{!}}Goonsig{{!}}Revenant}}, they'd be breaking the template transclusion limit on every page they posted on in short order. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 04:40, 11 May 2011 (BST)
#::::That's not what I'm talking about; I'm talking about how long the code for their signatures are. It's very long. If templated signatures want to be deleted, it's better suited for policy discussion, provided a reasonable alternative is included (so no long signature codes, it makes me angry). --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 04:44, 11 May 2011 (BST)
#:::::I'm not sure you're understanding me, so I'll give you a demonstration… the invocation {{tl|Goonsig|Goonsig{{!}}Revenant}} gives {{Goonsig|Revenant}}, which is the same as what specifying {{tl|Goonsig|<nowiki>SUBST:</nowiki>Nosubst{{!}}Goonsig{{!}}Revenant}} '''as your signature''' results in. In contrast, using {{tl|Goonsig|<nowiki>SUBST:</nowiki>Goonsig{{!}}Revenant}} '''as your signature''' results in… <span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:Revenant]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]]</span>
#::::::I think what AHLG is saying is that without {{tl|nosubst}}, ''all'' code heavy signatures will add heavy amounts of code to pages when signing. The inclusion sizes don't matter to too many people as long as they don't have to wade through umpteen lines of code when they want to contribute to dicussion. My biggest issue with this deletion request is that it is being passed off as sensible software limitations. I don't believe sensible is the right word. ''Minimal'' or ''default'' software limits is more descriptive. Its like saying that the [[:category:If Templates|"if" templates]] are a crappy hack job because the software has sensible limits on parser functions. The wiki software sucks. It's vanilla. So what if there exists a hack to make it suck less? It's rare that anything is broken because of templated sigs. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>05:26, 11 May 2011 (UTC)</sub>
#:::::::It's really not as rare as it would be without Nosubst. Not to mention that with Nosubst gone it would mean that actually useful templates won't be excluded from pages like A/VB and A/M. It actually opens up possibilities for us that we currently have to code around.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 05:50, 11 May 2011 (BST)
#::::::::When I say rare I mean extremely rare. The only instance of page breakage in recent history was A/VB and it was due mostly to the whole of A/VB/Bots being transcluded. And then it only became a problem when we came under heavy bot attacks. That problem was easily solved by no longer transcluding A/VB/Bots, which was largely unecessary to begin with. It could also be argued that it was the size of the regular non-sig templates causing it to break. If any other possibilities will arise by deleting {{tl|nosubst}}, I fail to see what they may be. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>06:10, 11 May 2011 (UTC)</sub>
#:::::::::It actually really can't because the sig templates were actually being called ''multiple'' times in the inclusion chain. While it's easy enough to noinclude them and thus limit the amount of data being called through them superficially, that also compromises the purpose of signing needlessly. We shouldn't have to adapt how pages work because some users want to use a feature actually disabled by the software itself. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 22:04, 11 May 2011 (BST)
#::::::::::Yes, the sigs were called multiple time but so were the non-sig templates due to the fact that the whole of A/VB/B being transcluded. In the case of the templated sigs, it was a template call ({{tl|nosubst}}), inside a template call (the template sig which themselves sometimes called on other templates) inside a template call (the transcluded A/VB/B). Similarly, with the non-sig templates, there were template calls ({{tl|usr}}), inside a template call ({{tl|vndl}}) inside a template call (the transcluded A/VB/B). The points I'm trying to make are that a) we've taken steps to correct page breaking on A/VB and b) it really wasn't necessary to transclude A/VB/B in the first place. Whatever value that A/VB/B added to A/VB was superficial and it is actually a lot simpler to just include links to it from [[MediaWiki:recentchangestext]] and [[MediaWiki:blockipsuccesstext]] and be done with it. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>14:40, 12 May 2011 (UTC)</sub>
#::::::Vapor: Not at all. There is a wiki software setting to enable unsubstituted template signatures. Kevan has it set to the default, which is to disable them. When I described this as a “hack workaround”, that was the literal truth. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 07:19, 11 May 2011 (BST)
#:::::::That's not entirely accurate. Kevan hasn't set it to anything: When the wiki was first set up the setting wasn't available and templated signatures were allowed; a software update disallowed them and the setting to change that was only introduced later. We are forced to use this sort of hack due to the difficulty in getting Kevan to change the software.--<span>[[User:The General|The General]] <sup>[[User Talk:The General|T]] [[Project_UnWelcome|<span title="Project UnWelcome">U!</span>]] [[Project Wiki Patrol|<span title="Project Wiki Patrol">P!</span>]] <span class="stealthexternallink">[http://urbandeadwiki.smfforfree.com/index.php <span title="Urban Dead Wiki Forum">F!</span>]</span></sup></span> 09:09, 11 May 2011 (BST)
#:::::::Yeah, I'm not disputing that it is a hack, I just don't agree that it is a worthless hack. I really don't believe Kevan made a conscious decision to turn off unsubstituted signatures way back when. Just like I don't think he intentionally set the max characters for raw signatures to 255. He likely just ran the update without any customization. I think we can reasonably leave {{tl|nosubst}} in place and any sigs that happen to break pages can be dealt with on a case-by-case basis, as it has been done in the past. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>15:54, 11 May 2011 (UTC)</sub>
#:::::What I am saying is that when I hit edit there is a heck of a lot of code to wade through. [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki:Administration/Bureaucrat_Promotions&action=edit&section=8 Here is a sample from A/BP]. Removing templated signatures encourages code use, which wouldn't be so bad if some of the signatures (irrespective of the manner in which they are placed) are really code heavy. But besides any of that, what we are really talking about is the issue that templated signatures breaking similar templates and other templates on pages. A/VB is a good example, as are talk pages. A simple solution may be to not use templated signatures on just these pages if such a problem arises, and it rarely does, do as what Vapor said just above. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 16:32, 11 May 2011 (BST)
#::::::It's been a while since I checked but I'm pretty sure that template signatures trigger a few different DB searches every time they're included on a page. All changing this does is force the search to happen once when the user signs instead of every single time someone edits the page for every single time the template appears on it. On top of that signatures larger than 255 characters have to call a template in their code so that can actually be sorta policed easily enough. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 22:04, 11 May 2011 (BST)
#:::::::So, it is to say that after I sign at the end of this comment, the code is merely substed in instead of as a template? Meaning that the code length isn't an issue for whatever is added in the corresponding preferences section. It's still an issue though to how long the code is at the end result. The issue for me hasn't to do with me wanting to keep this more complex templated signature, I'm fine changing this I just find the heavy code sigs cumbersome when I go to edit. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 22:40, 11 May 2011 (BST)
#::::::::I'm saying that without {{tl|GoonSig}} the goon's sigs wouldn't be possible because it's a template call made in Preferences that's substituting the template. We can police that because the template has to exist for them to call, like your sig. I'm also saying that your sig makes the server do a lot more work then, say, mine. Something on the order of 3-5 times the work with one inclusion of your sig. More every time a user uses a template signature. Mine adds to this page's DB content and gets called as part of the Page's call then run through the wiki-markup and sent to the browser so it can act on the html, yours adds to the actual processing of the page ''before'' we see it because it has to be interpreted by the wiki markup and then search the DB for the page you're referencing in the signature which then also has to be run through the wiki markup each and every single time someone loads the page for each and every time someone signs on it with a template signature. In the best case scenario it's done once per signature per page and referenced from that, at worse it's done once for every time you sign. Hopefully that answers some of the question because I'm kinda confused about what you were trying to say.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 23:07, 11 May 2011 (BST)
#:::::::::It should be noted, however, that to say it is "3-5 times the load" is somewhat misleading because the queries take somewhere in the range of 0.003 seconds.--<span>[[User:The General|The General]] <sup>[[User Talk:The General|T]] [[Project_UnWelcome|<span title="Project UnWelcome">U!</span>]] [[Project Wiki Patrol|<span title="Project Wiki Patrol">P!</span>]] <span class="stealthexternallink">[http://urbandeadwiki.smfforfree.com/index.php <span title="Urban Dead Wiki Forum">F!</span>]</span></sup></span> 23:36, 11 May 2011 (BST)
#::::::::::I'm talking about actual stress on the server. Also should mention that that's actually not necessarily the case, especially on larger pages about these parts and larger signatures for that matter. The number of queries can have an impact in speed, and a notable one at that. Here's an example [[Suggestions/RejectedDecember2005]] vs [[User talk:Karek]]. The first has no expanding templates due to [[Special:LongPages|file size]], the second takes longer to load. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 05:36, 13 May 2011 (BST)
#:::::::::::I might be missing your point, Karek, but those don't seem to be good examples of pages breaking/server strain due to templated sig calls. Both have giant walls of text which cause them to be so large. When that happens, templates stop working properly. I can't find even a single attempt to call on a templated sig in your first example nor is there any extraneous template usage (just {{tl|prejection}} it seems). In your second example, nothing seems broken despite lots of templated sigs and it didn't seem to load any longer than any other page; not for my anyway. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>06:03, 13 May 2011 (UTC)</sub>
#::::::::::::It was a comparison of text size vs number of calls and their effect on speed. Largely irrelevant now that I've archived my talk but [[User_talk:Karek/20110513132417|here]] is that archive. Should have the same visible effect. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 14:43, 13 May 2011 (BST)
#:::::::::::I am a also talking about server load, hence my comment that a database query takes very little time. Yes, more queries do have an impact on server load but it is not generally a major problem: In fact, a few large queries are a lot heavier on the server than lots of small ones. So, yeah, lots of massive template inclusions will hurt the server but so will lots of massive walls of text on a single page and most signature templates aren't that largem.--<span>[[User:The General|The General]] <sup>[[User Talk:The General|T]] [[Project_UnWelcome|<span title="Project UnWelcome">U!</span>]] [[Project Wiki Patrol|<span title="Project Wiki Patrol">P!</span>]] <span class="stealthexternallink">[http://urbandeadwiki.smfforfree.com/index.php <span title="Urban Dead Wiki Forum">F!</span>]</span></sup></span> 08:45, 13 May 2011 (BST)
#::::::::::::Unless we want to ask [[Kevan]] for some performance stats to settle this, can we stop waving our wiki-peens? {{tongue}} {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 08:54, 13 May 2011 (BST)
#:::::::::::::I would prefer to call it a "reasoned debate" {{Tongue}}.--<span>[[User:The General|The General]] <sup>[[User Talk:The General|T]] [[Project_UnWelcome|<span title="Project UnWelcome">U!</span>]] [[Project Wiki Patrol|<span title="Project Wiki Patrol">P!</span>]] <span class="stealthexternallink">[http://urbandeadwiki.smfforfree.com/index.php <span title="Urban Dead Wiki Forum">F!</span>]</span></sup></span> 14:36, 13 May 2011 (BST)
#::::::::::::::^This. Although we could probably move it to the talk page or {{tl|Nosubst}} talk page or something. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 14:43, 13 May 2011 (BST)
#:::::::::::::::Seconded, although keep the current discussion points here so for perspective voters. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>14:51, 13 May 2011 (UTC)</sub>
#'''Keep''' - after some serious pondering. I'd vote delete in a heartbeat if it had been that way all the time, but pulling it away now will cause a lot of issues for rarely active users. Adding substings to sigs occassionally, while not fun, is the lesser evil. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 17:02, 11 May 2011 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - I'm with Vapor and Gnome on this one.--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 23:42, 13 May 2011 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - What problem is this fixing? Transclusion limits on high-traffic pages? If so, just ban templated sigs on the pages in question. Otherwise, I'm with AHLG. I do NOT want to read "lol" followed by 14 lines of code before I can see the next comment, which is what this would cause to happen far too often. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 08:49, 15 May 2011 (BST)


This contributes nothing more then malicious text. I wouldn't know the exact policy or guideline but this does not belong on the wiki.--[[User:MisterGame|Thadeous Oakley]] 20:32, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
'''Kept'''. 12 Keep votes and 6 Delete votes. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>05:27, 17 May 2011 (UTC)</sub>
:<small>[[UDWiki_talk:Administration/Deletions#Umbrella_Zerg_Discussion|Extraneous discussion moved to talk page]] -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 21:24, 11 January 2009 (UTC)</small>


#'''Keep''' - Interesting.--[[User:ScouterTX|ScouterTX]] 21:12, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
#<s>'''Delete''' - Little more than a barely concealed attempt to provoke the other side to edit the page and get taken to [[A/VB]] -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 21:22, 11 January 2009 (UTC)</s> '''Keep''' - Meh. The other guys have done the same. Let them have it. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 17:05, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
#:<small>[[UDWiki_talk:Administration/Deletions#Cheese.27s_vote_discussion|Extraneous discussion moved to talk page]] -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 21:48, 11 January 2009 (UTC)</small>
#'''Keep''' - Viable info. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 21:49, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete'''--[[User:MisterGame|Thadeous Oakley]] 21:55, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Keep''' - Jackson threatened to put up zerg-related info about UBCS first anyway.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k-QHA-QAMY <span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 22:11, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
#<s>'''Keep''' - Umbrella threatened to do the same. I also don't buy into this whole "page created only to provoke the other side into vandalizing it" conspiracy.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 22:27, 11 January 2009 (UTC)</s>
#:'''Delete''' - Now that the other page is gone, I say that this one gets deleted as well to avoid future fighting between the Umbrellas.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 09:07, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Keep''' - Group subpage, they can say what they want in it. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 22:28, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Keep''' - Group subpage --{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 22:38, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Keep''' - Group subpage, It's their property.--{{User:Drawde/Sig}} 22:44, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
#<s>'''Keep''' - but only just. It's a group subpage, but it is bordering on trolling to make A/VB cases. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 23:01, 11 January 2009 (UTC)</s>
#:'''Delete''' - As Argo. Move it off-site if you want the data kept. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 11:14, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Keep''' -This is a group sub page, you can write whatever you want about other groups on your own group pages and they can do nothing to stop you short of arbitration. The A/VB case in question was simple and ruled incorrectly, flame/A/VB bait or not, this group is entitled to have this page and deserves the protection afforded to all other group pages. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:06, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Keep''' - or we'd have to get rid of classic pages like [[User:DanceDanceRevolution/Fenis|this one]].--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 23:10, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
#:Kay, I get how this works. Will put a similar page up by tomorrow, no worries.--[[User:MisterGame|Thadeous Oakley]] 23:15, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
#::Kthzbye. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 23:16, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
#:::Done. Jackson's old report back up. Long live the freedom of speech.--[[User:MisterGame|Thadeous Oakley]] 23:27, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
#::::When will you understand that my report is an actual report, while yours is just circumstantial evidence and personal assaults with fake ass chats and shopped shots. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 23:29, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Keep''' Our page, our space. --{{User:Lithedarkangel/signature}} 23:48, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete'''That proves that it was created by the UBCS to discredit and to be used as a weapon against umbrella! I hope you know Lithedarkangel's comment will be exploited as the defence!--[[User:Beau Dece|Beau Dece]] 00:03, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
#: Then Haliman's vote also shows the same... >_> --{{User:Lithedarkangel/signature}} 00:06, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
#:: More to use! This can be handy for my STARS problem! {{Unsigned|Beau Dece}}
#::: Beau, the creator has a right to vote on this page. --{{User:Lithedarkangel/signature}} 00:18, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
#<s>'''Keep''' - Its obvious that it is a POV page and does not violate any terms, though it may be full of half-truths it should be respected like OUR PAGES should be respected in the same way.</s> If Haliman can sport his page of half-truths then Umbrella Corporation should be able to display a page full of facts created by Haliman himself.--{{User:Jackson/Sig}} 01:43, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
#:'''DELETE''' - No viable "keep" option granted to for the Umbrella Report.--{{User:Jackson/Sig}} 23:28, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Keep''' - it's in the groupspace, it's relevant information, even if the level of "proof" leaves a lot to be desired <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 02:14 12 January 2009 (BST)</small>
#'''Keep''' - POV, unfortunately. --[[User:Skouth|Skouth]] 06:19, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Redundant Keep is Redundant''' --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 12:31, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Keep'''. It's in their groupspace; it's part of their raison d'etre, not just random drivel. They're allowed POV. --[[User:Blackboard|Blackboard]] 12:33, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Keep''' - Group Subpage, POV. --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 13:46, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Keep''' - Group subpage. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 16:18, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Kepp''' - I'm starting to enjoy the talk page it has where i can post proof of his team zerging --[[User:Colonel Krauser|Colonel Krauser]] 04:40, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Keep''' I hate both these fucking groups.----[[User:Sexualharrison|Sexualharrison]][[Image:Starofdavid2.png | 18px]] [[Image:Boobs.gif|18px]] 18:50, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Keep''' - Propaganda is acceptable. However, you wankers need to grow the fuck up. All of you. FAST. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 09:11, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - As a firm loyalist to Umbrella, I believe it's too much drivel. [[User:Nemesis645|Nemesis645]] 08:24, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
#:As a Republican (in the English Civil War / French Revolutionary sense of the word) firmly on the side of the United Anti-drivel Front, I think both your groups need to grow up and get lives. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 12:13, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
#::That should mean a lot when it comes from you!--{{User:Jackson/Sig}} 02:50, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Keep''' - It's nothing more than group propaganda, offensive or not, true or not.[[User:Liberty|Liberty]] 00:58, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Keep''' - Group subpage.  --{{User:Zombie slay3r/Signature}} 02:44, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Kept. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 04:55, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


===Old Protection Archive===
===[[Federal_Stafford_Loan_Program|Federal Stafford Loan Program]]===
Oh, I guess this is how pages are deleted? It was some sort of weird spam. -[[User:Susan Bakersfield|Susan Bakersfield]] 03:22, 14 May 2011 (BST)
:Got this one when clearing out the [[A/VB/B|bots]]. It's best to report them there (although it gets done here anyway). Thanks <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] 07:55, 14 May 2011 (BST)</small>


Requesting deletion for the following pages, as they no longer have use (a new protection archive was created)
===[[Smart Revive Policy]]===
The Smart Revive Policy was created in error and is effectively the [[No Random Revive Policy]]. It appears that [[User:Obsdark|Obsdark]] didn't read the [[No Random Revive Policy]], and just looked at the old title of the page. There is only a few pages that link to the [[Smart Revive Policy]] and those could be redirected to the [[No Random Revive Policy]]. I also updated the [[No Random Revive Policy]] to merge in any of the needed information from [[Smart Revive Policy]]. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 02:07, 27 April 2011 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - this is a filibuster vote {{User:Nubis/sig}} 02:14, 27 April 2011 (BST)
#'''Speedy''' crit 1 though voting speedy seems kind of pointless due to the above "vote". ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>03:09, 27 April 2011</sub>
#'''Delete''' - Technically crit 1, but seeing how Nubis is reading from the dictionary, it'll have to wait it out. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 13:50, 27 April 2011 (BST)
#'''Delete''' Unneeded and inferior copy of an established tactic. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 14:24, 27 April 2011 (BST)
#'''Speedy''' - Criteria 1.--[[User:Yonnua Koponen|<span style="color: DarkOrange">Yonnua Koponen</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Yonnua Koponen| <span style="color:Gold">T</span>]][[DvB| <span style="color: Goldenrod">G</span>]]</sup><sup><span class="stealthexternallink">[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=840689 <span style="color: DarkGoldenrod"> P</span>] </span></sup> [[User:Yonnua Koponen/Sandbox|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[Discosaurs|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[{{TALKPAGENAME}}#Donkey|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]] 14:41, 27 April 2011 (BST)
#'''delete'' this is a busterfily vote -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 17:07, 27 April 2011 (BST)
#'''keep''' As a [[Help:Redirection|Redirect]]. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 21:25, 27 April 2011 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - redirect <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] 07:44, 3 May 2011 (BST)</small>
#'''Keep''' as the boxman --&nbsp;[[Image:Boobs.sh.siggie.gif|link=User:Sexualharrison| HEY! HANDS OFF MAH BOOBS! | 16px]] &nbsp; <small> [[User talk:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">bitch</span>]]&nbsp;&nbsp;</small><small>06:31, 11 May 2011 (utc)</small>
#'''Keep''' - Redirect it--{{User:Michaleson/sig}} 22:19, 11 May 2011 (BST)


* [[UDWiki:Administration/Protections/Archive]]
5 to 5. '''Kept''' as a redirect. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>06:25, 13 May 2011 (UTC)</sub>
* [[UDWiki:Administration/Protections/Archive2005]]
===[[The living]]===
* [[UDWiki:Administration/Protections/Archive2006]]
Not really much in the way of content here. I'd like to have the page deleted so that I can use the name (with a capitol L). {{User:Clint_Clintstone/sig}} 10:35 21 April 2011 (EST)
* [[UDWiki:Administration/Protections/Archive2007]]
* [[UDWiki:Administration/Protections/Archive2008]]


Any links to these pages should be changed to their new locations, whenever possible. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 02:15, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''delete''' - never got off the ground etc. -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 03:46, 22 April 2011 (BST)
*<s>'''Delete''' - Two weeks is more then enough time to sort out the archives (hence why it's not a speedy.) {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 03:18, 8 January 2009 (UTC)</s>
#'''Keep''' - This is both history, a group that existed(and we don't delete disbanded groups just 'cause), and also a page stuffed full of content when [[The Dead|context]] is shown. We killed crit 12 for a reason. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 03:52, 22 April 2011 (BST)
**Hmm... on second thought, a lot of pages link to those pages, a lot (naturally,) protected. Why not just leave them as a disambiguation? {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 03:32, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Keep'''. Its well linked. --[[User:Rosslessness|Rosslessness]] 11:04, 22 April 2011 (BST)
*'''Keep''' - The new system sucks and will be scrapped for a modified version of the old system which currently has more functionality. Any protect page with {{tl|Protect}} will show you as much. There should have been discussion on this before the change was done.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:36, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
#:My arse. it has like 8 and you made half of them years ago and only because they mentioned the dead? -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 12:07, 22 April 2011 (BST)
*'''Keep''' - New, bad. Old, good. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 10:07, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
#::Sorry, its referred to as part of the did you know section of the wiki, I don't know why Clint doesn't just use [[The Living]] --[[User:Rosslessness|Rosslessness]] 12:28, 22 April 2011 (BST)
*'''Keep'''; having redundant systems can't hurt. --[[User:Blackboard|Blackboard]] 15:57, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Keep'''. As Ross. You don't have to get rid of that page to create [[The Living]]. And we could also add a disambiguation notice on top of the page to refer to the older/newer group respectively. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 12:47, 22 April 2011 (BST)
*'''Keep''' - as above. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 12:15, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
#:This^. Especially since they're both unique pages and the stats page links by caps(like the whole wiki). --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 13:42, 22 April 2011 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - As Above.{{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>13:46 22 April 2011(UTC)</tt>
#'''Delete''' Just another of those "exists only on paper" kind of groups with no real content, the kind of which we deleted hundreds of. -- [[Image:Cat Pic.png|14px]] [[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''Thadeous Oakley''']]</span> [[User_Talk:MisterGame|<span style= "color: black; background-color: white">'''''Talk''''']]</span>  13:59, 22 April 2011 (BST)
#'''Delete''' - this page doesn't stop you using the capital L space... and anyway, afaik, this one is just a reactionary page to [[The Dead]]... puppy tears, and all that, y'know {{tongue}} <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] 15:08, 22 April 2011 (BST)</small>
#:He'll find it difficult to do as that [[The Living]] is now in use. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 21:38, 25 April 2011 (BST)
#'''Keep''' -- [[User:Asheets|Asheets]] 16:15, 22 April 2011 (BST)
#'''Keep''' SHUT THE FUCK UP!. i loled.--<small><div style="display: inline-block; height: 14px; width: 18px; overflow: hidden; vertical-align: text-bottom;">[[User:Sexualharrison|<span style="position: absolute; display: block; font-size: 0px; height: 14px; width: 18px;"> </span>]][[Image:Boobs.sh.siggie.gif|18px]]</div>&nbsp;&nbsp;[[User talk:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">bitch</span>]]&nbsp;</small><small>16:19, 22 April 2011</small>
#'''Delete''' - get out. --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 17:50, 22 April 2011 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - this is a filibuster vote {{User:Nubis/sig}} 23:57, 23 April 2011 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - Sure, why not - [[User:DeRathi|Serious Post]] {{User:DeRathi/Sig}}  15:27, 24 April 2011 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - We're already deleting the living from the game, why not have a reminder they once existed here? --[[User:Laughing Man|Laughing Man]] 15:44, 24 April 2011 (BST)
#'''Weak Keep''' - As Karek and Ross, but weaker. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 16:18, 24 April 2011 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - As Karek and Ross. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 21:38, 25 April 2011 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - As Spiderzed.--[[User:Yonnua Koponen|<span style="color: DarkOrange">Yonnua Koponen</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Yonnua Koponen| <span style="color:Gold">T</span>]][[DvB| <span style="color: Goldenrod">G</span>]]</sup><sup><span class="stealthexternallink">[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=840689 <span style="color: DarkGoldenrod"> P</span>] </span></sup> [[User:Yonnua Koponen/Sandbox|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[Discosaurs|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[{{TALKPAGENAME}}#Donkey|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]] 17:40, 26 April 2011 (BST)


Kept for the above mostly good reasons. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 20:07, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Kept with 12 Keeps and 4 Deletes. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>06:17, 9 May 2011 (UTC)</sub>
===[[:Image:Amberwaves.jpeg]]===
===[[Bookmarks]]===
Crit 2 I guess. All in all, just another rather pathetic attempt by the TZH to trump someone they don't like.-- dǝǝɥs  oʇ  ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 20:45, 6 January 2009 (UTC)  
I wanted to make a page under my username, but instead made this. I already remade the page under my user-name, [[User:ShadowScope/Bookmarks|here]], so I would like for you to delete this page (somebody else may want to use Bookmarks in the future, and I don't want to waste space).--[[User:ShadowScope|ShadowScope]]<sup>[[User:Kevan|'the true enemy']]</sup> 02:33, 1 May 2011 (BST)
:Not deleted. Image is in use. --– TANK! Nubis 21:48, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
:EDIT: Also requesting a Speedy Delete, if that is all possible.--[[User:ShadowScope|ShadowScope]]<sup>[[User:Kevan|'the true enemy']]</sup> 02:34, 1 May 2011 (BST)
 
::'''Scheduled''' – Speedy, Crit 7 by proxy. All gone. {{smile}} {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 03:56, 1 May 2011 (BST)
<sub>From [[UDWiki:Administration/Speedy_Deletions#Image:Amberwaves.jpeg|A/SD]].</sub>
 
#'''Delete''' - Because I wanted to sign. At the top. Because I'm cool.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k-QHA-QAMY <span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 21:50, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - As Suicidalangel. --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 13:44, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - Because I don't have to give a reason, hmmmm, I wonder if we can meatpuppet through everything of TZH while we're at it? -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 13:46, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
#:Why should we meatpuppet? --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 13:52, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
#::Meatpuppeting is the use of many users that have the same opinion to force through something that would not normally pass a vote if it was not the subject of their group opinion. It should not be confused with sockpuppetry where one or few users create multiple 'sock puppet' alts to subvert the community consensus. Sockpuppeting is illegal on this wiki, meatpuppeting is not. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 13:55, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
#:::I see. What I don't understand is, are we ''meatpuppetting'' now? --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 14:31, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' --[[User:Toejam|Toejam]] 18:53, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Baleet''' - Yup. Meatpuppeting is awesome. Especially when you're running for sysop and users from Brainstock who never use the wiki are told to go on and vote against you en masse. That's awesome. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4 I jizzed in my pants]  [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 19:26, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - As SA, and especially Iscariot! {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 19:45, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - As Iscariot. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 19:47, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' unless you argue its a scheduled deletion under  22 July 2008 vote. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:00, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
#:'''No, it isn't scheduled.''' Attack images and pages were both up for votes and only pages passed. Images didn't get enough votes.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 18:05, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - Ew. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 21:54, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Insta-remove''' - Thats a personal attack image--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 21:59, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - No speedy crit, unfortunately. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 23:00, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Keep'''  Not porn, not copyrighted, and in use. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 23:09, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - Worthless shite. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 23:18, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Töten Sie es mit Feuer!!''' - Für große Gerechtigkeit! -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 23:18, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
#:Sie sprechen deutsch?--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k-QHA-QAMY <span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 23:22, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
#::Or for those of us who can't speak German; {{CodeInline|Kill it with fire!! - For large justice}}. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 23:23, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
#:::Große in this context means great. =p -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 23:26, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
#::::Großartig can also mean great. Haven't seen it used like that in a while though.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k-QHA-QAMY <span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 23:31, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Keep''' - has potential... but meh, i dont see a chance of this image being kept after this round of ''delete''s --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 00:27, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
#:Potential? For what? To waste space and attack another user? Haggie, are you telling us that you whole-heartedly support the use of attack images? Okay everyone, flood the wiki with useless images! :)...:/ If they want to use these images, they should host them at an external image hosting site, then link to it. Stupid shit like this doesn't need to take up space on the wiki.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k-QHA-QAMY <span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 02:37, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
#::Precedent says attack images when posted on group space aren't deleted. If you want to talk about useless things on the wiki I would say more than half the templates (especially ones like the mess you have on your page) should be deleted.  And as for your idea that an image should be on more than one page to be "in use" is ridiculous. Are you going to put Image:Engel.jpg  up for deletion? --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 13:31, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
#:::Precedent isn't law. Just thought I'd remind you that. Now, onto the rest of it. First, it's on his own talk page, not a group whatsoever. Sure, it's his space, but hell, that doesn't mean its completely exempt from being brought into a more respectable form. And if you feel those templates should be deleted, then put them up for it. I didn't make many, if any at all, of the templates, it doesn't concern me much. And as for your whole "user pic on one page" thing, there's a difference. User pictures are generally exempt from image deletion unless by author request, or its no longer in use. That, and the fact that an image representation of a users character normally ''doesn't attack another user in such a poor and shitty manner''. But whatever. Attack images are a-okay, right Nubis? And I guess I ''should'' start a frivolous deletions case that I'm just going to vote keep on, because apparently I ''should'' think an image representation of one of my characters, just because it's only used in one place, should also be treated like an attack image that's only used in one place, huh?. Also, Hags, I figured the potential bit was just a joke. But just because you're guilty of a crime once, doesn't mean you should let it happen later, nor should you let more of a crime happen just because your ''friends'' get away with it. That's not how you should be doing your job. You should know that.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k-QHA-QAMY <span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 00:01, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
#::::You should stop foaming at the mouth for a moment and think about this. This is a game based on rivalry. Zeds VS Humans. PKers VS Everyone, etc. You are going to have "My team RULZ  UR team SUX" type of propaganda everywhere. Otherwise, it wouldn't be much fun if everyone got along in a big old love in. So, yes, I do think "attack images" that aren't porn are ok. It isn't like the image says "This is Amberwaves and he lives at 123 Fake St."  It isn't even a real picture of that user. It isn't being spammed on that Amber's page or groups that Amber belongs to. It is one fucking image in an old post of a goddamn talk page. I am sick of people (that aren't even involved) trying to dictate what the moral standards of the wiki should be. Attack PAGES are deleted. Attack IMAGES are not. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 14:35, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
#:::::Foaming? Not yet. :). Honestly, I understand what you're saying. Sure, it's not porn. Sure, he's not spamming it. But the thing is, it's still , as you even said, and old ass image in an old ass talk page comment, that won't ever be used again (unless it's by someone who has seen this case, as it'll probably remind people about it. Not like anyone would use it then anyway). I will reiterate my point. Its an old, USELESS image, that Dhavid Grohl probably doesn't remember he even uploaded. And I wasn't trying to dictate the moral standards of the wiki from the start. I wanted an old useless barely used image gone. I'm not calling for a scouring of the wiki for all attack images. I'm not even saying I don't want them on here at all. But for the ones that aren't going to ever get any real use, or even remebered months later, then hell, just put it on Imageshack. Quit wasting our space. Thats not asking for much right?--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k-QHA-QAMY <span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 21:39, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
#::::::It is being used and it is part of his page's history. If he comes along and archives his page and removes the image then eventually it will be deleted as unused. But until then for whatever reason he has chosen to have that image on there and we should not remove an image that isn't porn and is still in use. He is still active on the wiki, too. Your argument that it is old doesn't work because we keep old images (check out any historical page or archived page). Your argument that it isn't in use is clearly wrong. And letting "you" decide what images are appropriate goes against the voted policy that says '''sysops''' are responsible for removing images.  Not to mention, we have tons of images that are on here that should be hosted off site or deleted for violating copyrights. And you can't change your song saying you weren't against Attack images. That's not going to work. Also how many times have I heard disk space = cheap. Stop grasping at straws.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 03:08, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
#:::::::First, I will quote myself in one of my earlier comments here, and on speedy deletions. "Stupid shit like this doesn't need to take up space on the wiki" "Waste of bandwidth". Not to mention the many times I've said something along the lines of wasting space from the start. Its hard to "change my song" when I've followed it through from the start. And yet again, you're trying to make it look like I said something different than what I said. Not once did I say I was against attack images. I said these hardly used ones that are just wasting away could easily go, but I never called for a removal of all hate images. And who says I'm deciding what goes on the wiki? I simply thought of what a large portion of the wiki users would vote like, and put it up for speedy. And when it was brought here, look at that. Many of them agree with me. Huh. I guess I was right in thinking that the community would find the image to be shit. Doesn't mean I think I should decide whats on here or not, or that I'm trying to do that. One image maybe, but not the entire wiki. I'm not trying to portray myself as a voice of the community like Iscariot seems to here and there. I'm not trying to dictate the wiki's happenings a-la Grim. Quit trying to paint me like that.
#:::::::Also, the whole disk space=cheap? Who cares if its cheap or not. Doesn't mean I want to waste it. And inb4you saying a bunch of my shit is wasting space, I don't feel it does. And if you do, then put it up for deletions. Even if its in my user space, as it's been proven before that the user space isn't sacrosanct. I'm not sure if I replied to each of your points, but I'm tired. If I missed something, let me know, and I'll try to hit it back.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k-QHA-QAMY <span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 03:53, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
#::::::::I don't know if there's much point to this large discussion but, to clarify; Attack images have been deleted in the past. One relating to Amazing, and one very similar one relating to Finis Valorum. The only real question, aside from if she actually wants it deleted, is if this qualifies as something akin to that as opposed to the Marty images. It's kinda dumb but doesn't cross the line into invasion of privacy that is usually used as the standard for deletion request for attack images. --<span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Karek|Judge Karke]], self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All</span> 03:18, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
#:::::::::Even Marty (bless his thick skull) realized that the images were a parody. Of course, the Marty images are works of art as the Goons are professionals (unlike TZH).--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 14:16, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
#::::::::::PMSL...the goon ''are'' TZH... the only difference is that they're zombie arseholes, and they have a numerical advantage :P <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 14:23 10 January 2009 (BST)</small>
#::::::::: Amazing was a prick, and the attack images were made with his "''copyrighted material''". It was easier to delete the image than to get him to shut up about it. And finis image was deleted because it featured a RL-photo of him. And Honest, you claim this image is a huge waste of BW, but this discussion prolly a) drew more attention to the image than it normally would b) created more BW usage than the image alone ever consumed. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 16:33, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
#::::::::::A)I know. It can't be helped that Nubis didn't think it should be deleted, he has his opinions, I have mine. Oh well, right? B) Again, not exactly something we can change. But I still think the image is a useless waste of space. And C) I'm not Honestmistake, please don't tell me you confused me with him, he hasn't even said anything here!--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k-QHA-QAMY <span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 16:53, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
#:::::::::::I have now.... Still not getting involved though as I don't want to get dragged in. For the record I do lean towards deletion but keep changing my mind. --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 08:07, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
#:: I dont approve attacking other users, but i am not going to bar them from a crime i and several friends of mine were guilty of in the past (and some of them in the present). BTW, this image is not copyrighted by the user being attacked (heh), nor is it used elsewhere in the wiki besides the talk page of the user who uploaded this image. Its his right to express his hatred for a group or user in his own user page. If any user take this serious, its their fault. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 13:53, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
#::: and the "''has potential''" bit on my vote is just a lil joke on one of the below cases :P --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 13:54, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
#::::What about the 'Saromu is gay Devil' template? It was scheduled deleted..(attack against a user, no swearing). --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 18:24, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - Personal attack.  --[[User:KyleStyle|KyleStyle]] 04:43, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - Crap. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 13:38, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Keep''' - it's on a user:talk page; it's free expression. If you don't like it, don't visit the talk page. Plain and simple. Is it pretty? No. Is it tasteful? No. You're right; it's crap (albeit with gobs of potential). But if we just start haphazardly deleting things we don't like, this wiki is going to turn to bland shit.            Wait... unless we start with the DEM. Can we delete the DEM??? --[[User:Blackboard|Blackboard]] 17:53, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Keep''' - Oh Lord, don't tell me you've all gotten this petty. The image is SIX MONTHS OLD. If it has offended anyone, the damage has long been done. I feel the whole deletion request only exists to piss off TZH.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 04:03, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
#:I have no dealings whatsoever with the TZH, I just happened to notice it while checking out some of their stuff. Just because it's old doesn't mean it can't offend anyone that may see it at a later time you know.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k-QHA-QAMY <span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 11:19, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
#::I'm sure Amber Waves has already seen it, and I don't know of anyone else who would be offended. Plus it's not even well made, it's like a 10-minute paint job! If someone made an image like this about me I wouldn't be offended, if anything they would look like the morons for slapping this together in the first place.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 03:17, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
#:::The funny thign is, thats one of the reasons why I said it should be deleted fromt he start, because it was such crap. :). Not so much because it was an attack image, or because it'd offend anyone, but because it was a hardly used, and very crappy image.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k-QHA-QAMY <span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 03:57, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - But only because I feel ashamed for the guy who made it. I mean really? Who says PWNT to their own burn?--<span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Karek|Judge Karke]], self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All</span> 11:24, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - with prejudice. Some people who play this game need help. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 09:12, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - Pointless and eye-hurting. [[User:Liberty|Liberty]] 11:03, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Deleted 18-4 For Great Justice. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 00:28, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 
=== [[Armored Squadron]] ===
Was just up for a [[A/SD|speedy deletion]], but brought here as users at A/SD are unsure about it's status in game. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 13:13, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
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Group page that has no content and even says they are disbanded. Armored Squadron, we hardly knew ye. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 11:26, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
:That's random as my alt in Vinetown is standing in a building with a member of the armoured sqadron. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:35, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
::Well, now here is the question. They are in game (at least one) but they have no wiki presence to speak of. Should we still consider this a crit 1 (in pure wiki terms) or remove it from the requests (since they are in game)? --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 11:46, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Since the page says they have disbanded and is just a few lines i'd say kill it. In game might be unrelated, or a leftover or whatever.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:31, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
::::Take it to [[A/D|deletions]], I think <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 12:46 12 January 2009 (BST)</small>
:::::Done. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 13:14, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
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#'''Delete''' - Doesn't seem to be acting as a group. The page is a stub, it says they are disbanded, and the forum is inactive, despite there being a remnant member in-game <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 13:22 12 January 2009 (BST)</small>
#'''Keep''' - Page has content, a record of the group's existence, a link to their former forum and the ever present group box. Just because a group has disbanded doesn't mean things should be deleted. Also there is no proof that the group themselves added the section saying they are disbanded, we could be looking at a piece of missed vandalism. Rosslessness' observations trump all arguments. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 13:31, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' Iscariot's point about the "disbanded" part possibly being missed vandalism is a good one. However, on further investigation I find that their forums are dead. I also hardly consider just a group box "content".  I wanted this moved here in case the guy Ross is with can answer if they are gone or not.  Having it here gives him a chance to come forth. (if he does then I may change my vote)--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 13:43, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete'''. Come on, a template with a field saying FILLTHIS? The group can always just remake the page if they're so inclined. I mean, it DOES have potential. --[[User:Blackboard|Blackboard]] 16:06, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - Page is empty, forums quiet since about May 2008. It's more than likely disbanded with a couple of stragglers in-game who decided to carry on by themselves. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 17:04, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - As above.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 23:09, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - As above. --{{User:Lithedarkangel/signature}} 02:18, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - we've deleted groups stub pages with evidence of an in-game presence before, we'll do it again.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 13:19, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' already. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 09:01, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 
:'''Deleted'''--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 14:56, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 
=== [[Umbrella Corporation/Report]] ===
An exact same copy of an [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Deletions/Archive/Aug_2008#Haliman_is_a_Fraud already deleted file]. Posted as a personal assault directed towards me. Also posted just to "get back at me" for posting a logical report (with 0 personal assaults in it.) --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 23:34, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
 
*'''Speedy Delete''' - Crit 6. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 23:35, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
:When you're posting shit like this please include links to the deletion logs etc, makes it a lot easier for people to figure out if what you're saying is valid.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 23:35, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::One moment... --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 23:36, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
:::[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Deletions/Archive/Aug_2008#Haliman_is_a_Fraud Done.] --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 23:38, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
:::: :). It was deleted because it was requested so by the page owners before deletion by vote. It never got forcefully deleted. Not crit 6--[[User:MisterGame|Thadeous Oakley]] 23:42, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::False claim that I zerg, sure that's not a personal attack.--[[User:MisterGame|Thadeous Oakley]] 23:36, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
 
*'''Keep'''--[[User:MisterGame|Thadeous Oakley]] 23:36, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''--It's the equivalent of what you have, sure it's full of holes but so your slander page.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 23:36, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
*<s>'''Speedy''' - Already been deleted once. Crit 6. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 23:40, 11 January 2009</s>
*:Striking vote, after looking at the deletion vote from August, I see most of the delete votes were actually move to subpage votes, which is where this already is. '''Keep''': It's a group subpage. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 23:46, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
*:Nope. It was deleted by page owners not by A/D.--[[User:MisterGame|Thadeous Oakley]] 23:43, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
*::Nonetheless, it fills Crit 6. You should have thought about of the possibility of wanting to bring it back when you requested it to be deleted. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 23:48, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
*:::Haliman, they had the ''empty'' page deleted because they didn't want that specific page anymore. Effectively they moved it to a group subpage, it just took awhile and was done in a strange and confusing way. The deletion (in that case) wasn't about the content but the desire to have the namespace deleted. Comprendé? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 23:50, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
*::::So they just conveniently restore it now? --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 23:54, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
*:::::It's ''their'' page and content, they have the right to do that.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 23:58, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' - That case shows the page wasn't deleted with the content on it, the page that was deleted was empty.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 23:41, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
*: The page has nothing on because it was deleted. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 23:43, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
*::Wrong. It was emptied by page owners, then it was empty then deleted by A/D by owner's request. The content on it was never deleted by A/D. Not crit 6.--[[User:MisterGame|Thadeous Oakley]] 23:46, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
*:::Your group wiped the page only after it became clear that it '''was''' going to be deleted. If you had recreated it outside your group space it would be toast by now due to crit 6 <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 02:24 12 January 2009 (BST)</small>
*::::Boxy is indeed correct, I'm still contemplating Crit 6ing it because of the reason it was removed; "''But agreed, im not sure if it violates the wiki rules officaly, but it does not belong here''", which is a direct quote from MisterGame, even tempted to file a vandalism case for remaking it as it seems to be in bad faith.--<span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Karek|Judge Karke]], self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All</span> 05:43, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' with difference of our page this one is a personal attack to Haliman while ours is a report about UC zergers.--{{User:Lithedarkangel/signature}} 23:59, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
*:Yes and accusing someone of zerging, no that's a personal attack at all, huh?--[[User:MisterGame|Thadeous Oakley]] 00:01, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
*::Yeah, I thought so.--[[User:MisterGame|Thadeous Oakley]] 16:57, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
*:::This one was not deleted and keeps in fact a list of zergers. [[Anti_Cheater_Alliance|Here]]. --{{User:Lithedarkangel/signature}} 05:45, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' - Because I can.--[[User:ScouterTX|ScouterTX]] 01:22, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' - As Sir Argo. We can't have double standards. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 01:40, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' - Not only does it not fit into the criteria of a speedy delete, the page is not a personal attack, it is a record on a fictional character named Haliman111. Who roll plays this character we do not know but it is not an attack on that person behind the character, even though it tends to point out characteristics of the person behind this character, it should not be viewed as such.--{{User:Jackson/Sig}} 01:53, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' - it's in the group namespace now <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 02:24 12 January 2009 (BST)</small>
*'''Keep''' - If Haliman can, why cant we? --[[User:Skouth|Skouth]] 06:18, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. Sure, it's a heavy chunk of over-indulgent UD weirdness... but what the hell. --[[User:Blackboard|Blackboard]] 12:44, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - weak, though. This could be Scheduled Deleted (Personal Information) imo.. --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 14:00, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - and an escalation as per Crit 6. The original deletion vote was clear, it was subverted by the group's action of getting an author speedy first. The community's sentiment still applies. Failing to see this as Crit 6 opens the wiki up to every getting deleted being blanked and author speedied first, we'll never be able to get rid of some pages and Crit 6 and the policy enacted over it will be worthless. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 14:43, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
*:The original page in question was requested for deletion ''with the specific directive'' that it be moved to a talk page. It was. Crit 6 does not apply; perhaps the original page should have been given a "move" request instead of "delete". --[[User:Blackboard|Blackboard]] 16:04, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
*::Did you just try an argue a technicality with ''me''? Look back at the previous deletions voting, there were 8 votes for Delete/Move and 11 votes for a straight forward deletion. The community's consensus is clear. My Crit 6 vote stands. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 16:21, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
*:::Argue! With ''YOU''!! How ''DARE'' I! My word! I retract, I'm sorry! I don't know what I was thinking! How silly of me! Please forgive me, oh great and mighty Iscariot!
*:::Anyway, some of the same people who voted to delete it then are voting to keep it now for that very reason. I think the issue wasn't the page content, per se, but rather the content in the context of where the page was posted.--[[User:Blackboard|Blackboard]] 16:35, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' - You make a flame bait page, they do the same back. Let them have it. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 17:06, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' - I just wonder what's the next file/page under the delete order.--[[User:Beau Dece|Beau Dece]] 20:32, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - There's a policy somewhere saying group pages may have NPOV paragraphs edited in. ([[UDWiki:Specific_Case_Editing_Guidelines|Found it]].) I believe that's what's been done on similar cases in the past where a group page's content has been controversial, like Red Rum's [[Red Rum/Tommy Gun|Tommy Gun]] page. A short paragraph along the lines of "This is a sub-page of <groupname>, its content reflects the views of that group. The views of other users or groups may differ from those presented here" can help to take some of the sting out of a page where a user feels they are being criticised unfairly or misleadingly. The NPOV section should try to communicate that people should trust what they read in the rest of the page in proportion with how much they trust the source. Also, this same comment goes for the matching case below. --[[User:Toejam|Toejam]] 23:03, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''* - They get the zerg page we get this page, all is fair --[[User:Colonel Krauser|Colonel Krauser]] 04:39, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - You are assholes. The wiki already decided this was NOT appropriate content and you posted it again. Go to hell, you fucking creeps. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 09:02, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 
'''Deleted''' under Crit 6. -[[User:Karek|Judge&nbsp;Karke]],&nbsp;self-proclaimed&nbsp;Decider&nbsp;of&nbsp;Everything&nbsp;and&nbsp;Ruler&nbsp;of&nbsp;All 14:08, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
:The "page" that was deleted had no content. This is like someone getting their group deleted so they can rename it and move the content elsewhere, then getting crit 6 when they do move it elsewhere. But thanks for stepping in and stopping democracy, the people almost had a say in something then! I was starting to panic.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:52, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
::No, the page that would have been deleted was this exact one which the author then chose to move off of the wiki and that is what the original deletion was for. The author himself said this was the wrong place for that content and chose to remove it, no different than a Crit 7.  --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:21, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
:::He said it was the wrong place, and moved it to the correct place AKA group subpage. The owner has clearly stated he wants the content on and if it was only deleted because he removed it (it was) then it should be subject to a vote as per the guidelines (it was about to be before you interupted). Don't make me put a/m back on everyones watchlists...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:17, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
::::You're misreading the intentions behind the removal. The namespace issue doesn't take into consideration that he was informed of how to fix it and instead choose to move it to the groups personal website because the ''wiki'' was the incorrect place for that type of thing. The only reason the owner wants the content now is because of a personal dispute with the user that page is about, or rather because the reason he sited for removing the page because invalid to him upon him having the chance to snipe at another person in a conflict. That doesn't un-crit 6 it and does actually make it harassment(thus my comment on the A/VB case). --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 01:20, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
:"If more Delete votes are entered than Keep votes, the page will be deleted. In any other circumstance, the page is kept." Hmm. Seems pretty clear. I mean, maybe I'm just shit at counting, but... I'm pretty sure this is just power-tripping. You don't like it, you CAN delete it, so you do. I call bullshit. --[[User:Blackboard|Blackboard]] 17:17, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
::The fact that I count '''2 sysops voting keep''' makes this even worse.--[[User:MisterGame|Thadeous Oakley]] 18:43, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Yes, because sysops aren't allowed to have opinions about anything ever :rollseyes:. It's a vote and we are entitled to vote how we feel. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 04:30, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
::No, because Karek apperantly ignored them.--[[User:MisterGame|Thadeous Oakley]] 08:47, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
:::No, because because Karek followed policy. Read Crit 6 speedy deletion. That page was previously deleted and had no right to be recreated in the first place. And MisterGame knew it. If he didn't, well, now he does.
:::Don't try to play victim here, no one's buying it -- especially considering who exactly it is who's claiming to be a "victim". You Umbrella people are ''all'' pathetic assholes, get some lives. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 11:32, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
::::No, it was a crit 6 '''according to yours and Karek's opinion'''. Allot of people thought otherwise but Karek ignored them all. Don't change the truth.--[[User:MisterGame|Thadeous Oakley]] 21:01, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
 
===[[Nigga Hardcore Squad]]===
As below. Last edit by Vantar (category) on July 2007. --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 02:44, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
 
<sub>Moved from A/SD. It's got a keep vote. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 03:07, 1 January 2009 (UTC)</sub>
#'''Keep''' - Has potential. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4 I jizzed in my pants]  [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 02:59, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
#:How is that? Almost no content and hasn't been edited for over a year.. --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 03:03, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
#::It has potential to be a great group. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4 I jizzed in my pants]  [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 03:09, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Speedy Delete''' - Inactive group, no content. Exactly what Janus said above. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 03:05, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Speedy Delete''' - Activity? None. Content? None. Potential? None. -[[User:S Aline|S Aline]] 03:34, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
#:You're angry. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4 I jizzed in my pants]  [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 03:51, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
#::Not in the least. Should I be? -[[User:S Aline|S Aline]] 08:23, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
#:::I've never seen Sarah Aline voting on deletions before. Is she working up to running for sysop??? Or just THAT bored??? ;P --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 17:32, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
#:::: Gasp! How'd you know, Mr. Yao?! -[[User:S Aline|S Aline]] 21:44, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Speedy''' Two years is more than enough time to wait on it's "potential", Sonny. Get real. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 04:11, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Keep''' --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 04:19, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''STOP RIGHT THERE, CRIMINAL SCUM!'''<small>(Delet-o)</small> - No one breaks the law on my watch! I'm confiscating your stolen goods. Now pay your fine or it's off to jail.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 08:39, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
#:I see someone's been playing Oblivion. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 08:43, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
#::[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBRSQGSyo9s ]--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 08:56, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Speedy Delete''' - Funny, but useless.  --{{User:Zombie slay3r/Signature}} 19:59, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
# - Has potential<!--Doesn't mean I'm supporting this. For all you know, I could be actually meaning delete!-->--[[User:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>]] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 20:02, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Keep''' - Quote from Wan Yao just down this page: "Boxy is right: we don't speedydelete old groups" . If the god of the wiki and boxy both agree, why exactly are so many of you trying to get this speedy deleted???? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 23:08, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
#:There is a huge difference in the amount of content between this page and the one that Wan was talking about.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 10:10, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
#:Because you're quoting out of context, Wan continues on to say "''Boxy is right: we don't speedydelete old groups. Many abandoned groups get deleted. However, this usually is because there is mininal, or garbage, content on an abandoned group's page. Though not always... Still, we usually don't delete groups with some decent content which were once active...''" <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 23:46 3 January 2009 (BST)</small>
#:Yeah, it's a crit 1. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 10:15, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''D'''- Surely if it has potential it can be re-created later. [[User:Liberty|Liberty]] 05:33, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Speedy Delete''' - Crit 1. No activity, no content. If someone comes along and wants to start this group, they can recreate the page. It's not like a lot of work will be deleted if this is gone - it's got one template. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 16:02, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
#:I'll lead the group. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4 I jizzed in my pants]  [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 17:08, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
#::Do it faggot. I'll join.--[[User:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>]] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 17:11, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Speedydelete''' -- I'm quoted above... But this isn't even a group. It's a no content page. Ciao! --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 17:26, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Keep''' - because we got rid of crit 12 a fuck-age ago because [http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/8163/diskspaceequalscheep21mtr1.jpg Disk Space = Cheep!]--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 18:49, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
#:There's ''no content''. It's not an actual group page with ''any'' existence in UD's history. Therefore Crit 12 doesn't apply. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 20:37, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
#::Oh god, it must be such a huge drain on the server... hurry and delete it from existance before the wiki crashes--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 19:15, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - because getting rid of crit 12 doesn't mean that contentless group pages are automatically kept <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 23:46 3 January 2009 (BST)</small>
#'''Po-tat-ional''' - Is that how you spell it? (Why the fuck do you think Potential is in fucking bold. Cause it has it! Morons)--{{User:WOOT/sig}} 08:39, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Kill with fire''' - 'nuff said. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 15:13, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Keep''' - IRC told me to. As Jorm. There is content, the image, that will be deleted if this page is. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:01, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
#:Hai, I don't see jorm anywhar...--[[User:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>]] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 02:31, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
#::Jorm has moved on, but [http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/8163/diskspaceequalscheep21mtr1.jpg his message hasnt]--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 05:57, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
#:::I've seen that before AS, I was being sillwwy. :D --[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k-QHA-QAMY <span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 06:02, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
#::::Groups with actual text content -- a few lame-assed lines -- get deleted all the time. The lame and probably ripped off image is no different than these kind of pages. And... Crit 12 doesn't apply here, this isn't speedydeletions. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 17:01, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Keep''' - Has potential. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 17:59, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - ''Had'' potential. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 18:33, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete'''. Why keep every crappy aborted fetus group page? It contributes nothing to the wiki; it makes it look cheap and used. Like your mom. Everything "has potential". That's a bullshit argument. I'm going to go and make a half-assed template for a dozen fake groups and put them each on a separate page. Because then, they can have potential too! --[[User:Blackboard|Blackboard]] 13:54, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
#:The difference between this, and all these other groups, is that I or Sonny might actually form it. I'm still thinking on if I have time or not.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k-QHA-QAMY <span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 21:51, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
#::Well! Why didn't you say so! That changes everything. Change my vote to an emphatic keep! This one has REAL potential, instead of the usual brand of potential potential. --[[User:Blackboard|Blackboard]] 17:59, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
#:::I didn't say so because I can always remake the page should I decide to make this group. Doesn't stop me from voting keep before it's deleted, right? :D. But I would appreciate your ''change of heart'', and will gladly accept your "keep" vote. ;) --[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k-QHA-QAMY <span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 00:04, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 21:52, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - No useful content, the group's inactive. [[User:G F J|G F J]] 17:02, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - As above. --{{User:Lithedarkangel/signature}} 04:30, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 
*'''Deleted''' - 15 delete to 8 keep. -- 22:24, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 
===[[Urban Dead Leaderboard]]===
It talks about a website that no longer exists, the user himself has not contributed since 2006, and the link was removed from [[External Links]] a while ago.--{{User:Drawde/Sig}} 15:16, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' - It's something worth keeping around, possibly rewording to make clear that it's not actually still up. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 15:25, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' As Karek. If only because it was around at one point, and I don't like removing the game's history. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 22:44, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
*'''Keep''', maybe add something like 'Website not active' at the top.. --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 17:20, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - No site = no proof. No proof = no page for something like this. If someone created this page today it would be deleted out of hand without proof, this is no different. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 17:52, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
**Except this happens to have been a big part of the game for a long time and was used by various groups for various purposes. Sticking your head in the sand is not reason to ignore what we ''know'' and that's exactly what this is equivalent to. The site existed, it was popular, it was used for competitions in the meta-game. That's not the same as if it had been an insignificant page for a project that never happened.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 06:11, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
***If it was such a big part of the game for such a long time, then you'll have no problem in providing some objective proof. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 15:07, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
****Find proof that [[The Many]], [[The Undying Scourge]], and [[TSO]] existed.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 18:36, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
*****Actually, The Many were mentioned in a real life magazine blurb about UD back in 2005. XD--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 19:16, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
******I know, but that doesn't make it any more valid than all the references that are easily found on major forums to the use of the leadrboard.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 19:46, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
*******One minor point, those pages aren't up for deletion, this one is. As with any rational debate, burden of proof is on the claimant. You claim they are an important part of the history, I'm asking for verifiable proof, you're not providing it. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:00, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
********Deletions isn't a debate it is a '''vote'''. Your opinion that proof needs to be shown isn't any more valid than my opinion "let's keep it because I like the name".  You are also sounding like Grim and his demand that a screen shot of Radio Survivor be provided when no other entry is subjected to that standard. So you vote no and I vote yes and we cancel each other out. Next.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 02:07, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
**<s>'''Delete'''</s> - As Iscariot the Invisible. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 20:49, 29 December 2008 (UTC) '''vote changed'''  --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 00:37, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' - But conditionally. If this leaderbard did, in fact, play an important role in the metagame community, then the page ought to reflect that fact. Go in an do a little write-up about this... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 00:37, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' The UD Wiki article needs to be edited to reflect the curent status i.e. it WAS but is no longer and a past tense descriptor of what the site did. And a Point of order...I personally entered over 600 profiles to the leader board (DHPD, RRF, Known allies, and most of our Rouges Gallery and Wanted Lists) Calls for proof are meaningless because in all sense of the word I can't even prove you were involved in UD before September 1st of 2007. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 02:43, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' Remove the links to the website and state that it was in the past, no longer exists, etc, but keep as part of UD history. -[[User:S Aline|S Aline]] 03:38, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''- Someone should do what WanYao said, write about its significance and then let the page be. [[User:Liberty|Liberty]] 06:45, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' - All the page needs is a couple of minor tweaks to say that it is no longer online. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 15:17, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' I like the name.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 02:07, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 
*'''Kept''' - I've past tensed the article and someone with more knowledge might want to clean it up a bit. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 15:12, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
 
===some old unused images===
* [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Image:T_RandlemanBull26.jpg Old Profile Picture]
* [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Image:28weekslaterposter.jpg Old 28WeeksLater Poster]
* [http://wiki.urbandead.com/images/6/65/Killzone_2.JPG Old Killzone Poster]
* [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Image:Denver_Randleman4.jpg Recently Uploaded, but used a different profile picture instead]
 
Images I uploaded, that I no longer have use for, and that are no longer in use. Just taking up space. Thankyou.--{{User:Denver Randleman/sig}} 07:01, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
*'''Speedy''' - Crit 7. In future, just go straight to [[A/SD]], and do it there (if you are deleteing stuff you uploaded yourself. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 07:26, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
*'''speedy''' <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 07:57 10 January 2009 (BST)</small>
*'''Speedy'''.--<span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Karek|Judge Karke]], self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All</span> 08:03, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:'''Speedied'''.--<span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Karek|Judge Karke]], self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All</span> 08:03, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
Sorry about that, I'll remember to do that in the future. thanks again.--{{User:Denver Randleman/sig}} 08:11, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
 
===[[The 7th Stockman Walk Regiment]]===
Apparently disbanded, not a confirmed or historically important group, no edits since July, all members apparently inactive/not on the Wiki in the first place.
 
--{{User:AClashInRedSnow/sig}} 02:51, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 
*'''Keep''' - We don't delete old groups' wikis, unless they're blank. And there's content in them thar wiki! Thus, it stays. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 02:59, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' - As Wan. Crit 12 died for a reason (although "group pages" with only a sentence are occasionally deleted.) {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 03:36, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
*'''Author Keep/Kill Request''' - Oh, thanks for clarification, I wasn't sure whether it was deletion material or not. That settles it for me. Can I just move this to the Recent Actions section or delete it or does it have to stay up for vote? --{{User:AClashInRedSnow/sig}} 04:19, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
::Er, for further clarification, what about a group like [[Breaking_News:_We_Must_Unite|this]]? I suppose I'd like to know what the threshold is on what constitutes lack of content. --{{User:AClashInRedSnow/sig}} 09:28, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Thats a keep. Were looking for a couple of lines, or a group box that isn't formatted. Something that was created one day and then abandoned. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 09:30, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
::I've thrown up the [[Template:InactiveGroup|Inactive Group]] template on the page. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 07:02, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' - but only just. WanYao's comment isn't exactly correct. Deletion votes can indeed get rid of group pages if they get enough votes, it's just that a group page has to be very minimal, and lack any real history to get the required votes. People create heaps of groups that never do anything of interest in Malton (or the other cities), it's reasonable to delete these pages if they drag down the wiki's signal to noise ratio too much, like the further link provided. Don't feel that because a nomination for deletion gets voted down, that that means you've done something wrong by bringing it here <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 11:29 23 December 2008 (BST)</small>
::Ahh, gotcha. Thanks for the full run-down (and being friendly while at it!), all. I think I'm clear now on how slim a page needs to be for deletion. --{{User:AClashInRedSnow/sig}} 21:31, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Boxy is right: we don't ''speedydelete'' old groups. Many abandoned groups get deleted. However, this usually is because there is mininal, or garbage, content on an abandoned group's page. Though not always... Still, we usually don't delete groups with some decent content which were once active... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 06:59, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
::::What Wan said. Groups that only have ever had one member, with minimal content on the page (such as a broken table or only a few lines of text,) usually fall under a crit 1 [[A/SD|speedy deletion.]] Most of the time, however, they are left. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 08:22, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' - because we got rid of crit 12 a fuck-age ago because [http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/8163/diskspaceequalscheep21mtr1.jpg Disk Space = Cheep!]--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 18:49, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - Because I can. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:02, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' Page has content. You can not delete all groups that aren't as popular or big as the historical groups. You need the little groups that add flavor.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 02:14, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
'''Kept''' <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 00:02 8 January 2009 (BST)</small>
 
===[[The E.Vil Cliq]]===
Crit one, not edited since 30 December, sole editor has left the wiki. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 11:47, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' - It's less than a week old! And you don't know that the editor has "left the wiki". It's a holiday. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 14:49, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
<sub>Moved from A/SD. 11:37, 7 January 2009 (UTC)</sub>
*'''Keep'''- for now. --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 13:44, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' - Wan has a point. I'll be more careful in future. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 23:02, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
'''Kept''' - The sysop who processed them decided that they didn't fit the spirit of criteria 1 on A/SD, so there was no need to move them here <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 00:00 8 January 2009 (BST)</small>
 
===[[Disposable Heroes]]===
Ditto, except 27 December. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 11:47, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' - A week old. Back off. Give it a month or so. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 14:48, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
<sub>Moved from A/SD.  11:37, 7 January 2009 (UTC)</sub>
*'''Keep'''- for now. --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 13:44, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' - Are you bored link?--[[User:ScouterTX|ScouterTX]] 14:22, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' - Yes, I was bored. I'll be more careful in future. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 23:02, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
'''Kept''' - The sysop who processed them decided that they didn't fit the spirit of criteria 1 on A/SD, so there was no need to move them here <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 00:00 8 January 2009 (BST)</small>
 
===[[Perzeus]]===
Ditto again, except 1 January. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 11:47, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' - SHEEEEEEEEEEESH, quit putting brand new pages up for deletion! --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 14:46, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
<sub>Moved from A/SD.  11:37, 7 January 2009 (UTC)</sub>
*'''Keep'''- for now. --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 13:44, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' - Wan has a point. I'll be more careful in future. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 23:01, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
'''Kept''' - The sysop who processed them decided that they didn't fit the spirit of criteria 1 on A/SD, so there was no need to move them here <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 00:00 8 January 2009 (BST)</small>


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Latest revision as of 11:12, 7 April 2013

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The Republic of Digby

Content cleared by owner, might as well be a speedy --Bean 15:33, 12 June 2011 (BST)

  1. Speedy: Page was blanked by the only guy who maintained it, Author Edit Only implied --Bean 15:33, 12 June 2011 (BST)
  2. Scheduled - User has blanked the page and created a new group. Crit 7 by proxy.--Yonnua Koponen T G P ^^^ 16:01, 12 June 2011 (BST)

Deleted as a crit 7 by proxy.--The General T Sys U! P! F! 17:05, 12 June 2011 (BST)

Lamportians

This page was already deleted. The only reason I haven't done this as a crit 6 is because the content doesn't match completely with the current version being more role-play than straight up recruiting(like the previous iteration). This is a term only used by a singular very small group. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 05:44, 25 May 2011 (BST)

  • Obviously Delete - And I really want to do this as a crit 6 but am erring on the side of caution. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 05:44, 25 May 2011 (BST)
  • delete - had potential but it's just kinda shit. -- ϑanceϑanceℜevolution 06:02, 25 May 2011 (BST)
  • Speedy - Content is similar enough, IMHO: Expanding it doesn't mean its's not crit 6. This should be a group page, it's not a "generic term".--The General T Sys U! P! F! 09:14, 25 May 2011 (BST)
  • Delete - But I don't think it's enough for a speedy. They've expanded on it quite a bit.--Yonnua Koponen T G P ^^^ 13:42, 25 May 2011 (BST)

Deleted - This be unanimous.--Yonnua Koponen T G P ^^^ 22:41, 8 June 2011 (BST)

Template:Wikipedia

A template which is literally identical to using the "Wikipedia:" prefix in a link. It saves precisely 0 bytes while using a template inclusion and increasing server load.--The General T U! P! F! 14:01, 20 May 2011 (BST)

  1. Merge with Template:WP and then delete. Are all the transclusions truly due to {{unsigned}}? We should be linking to internal help about signatures, not to Wikipedia. ~Vsig.png 15:03, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
    Which I have just done. ~Vsig.png 15:06, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
    Mostly. I've used my bot to subst the template in on all non-protected pages, given that it's completely redundant.--The General T U! P! F! 15:38, 20 May 2011 (BST)
  2. Speedy C1 - a template that merely uses a single wiki code command is "No content" in my books. --Oh, and vote on Project Funny, by the way. -- Spiderzed█ 15:12, 20 May 2011 (BST)
  3. Speedy - as Spiderzed.--The General T U! P! F! 20:25, 20 May 2011 (BST)
  4. Keep - You don't get to technicality off such a popular template. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 21:19, 20 May 2011 (BST)
    Popular? ~Vsig.png 21:54, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
    The bot changed all of the edits so that's not exactly an accurate revelation of how people use it. This is more realistic. People use this template because not everyone knows about the magic word, don't punish ill-informed users for being ill-informed? --Karekmaps 2.0?! 03:44, 21 May 2011 (BST)
    Why not redirect the template to an explanation of magic words? The magic word is so similar to the template that anyone who uses the template should be perfectly capbable of using the magic word.--The General T U! P! F! 09:13, 21 May 2011 (BST)
    I was under the impression that the bot only subst'd {{Wikipedia}} when found in {{unsigned}} template calls. I may be wrong but still, I don't think the template is as popular as you're implying. And, yes I checked thegeneralbot's contribs. I so far haven't found any edits where {{Wikipedia}} was subst'd other than inside {{unsigned}}. ~Vsig.png 16:02, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
    That's because the use in unsigned made up the bulk of {{wikipedia}} uses. That said, nope, it didn't just remove the ones in unsigned, which explains why I can't find any of my old uses of it, despite the fact that I've used it frequently in the past. —Aichon— 07:04, 22 May 2011 (BST)
  5. I support a merge with {{WP}}, but suggest retaining as a soft redirect, deleting only when we can get WP: implemented as an interwiki shortlink. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 05:41, 21 May 2011 (BST)
  6. Delete -- ϑanceϑanceℜevolution 05:43, 21 May 2011 (BST)
  7. Keep - It's not actually the same as just the plain link, since the plain link requires additional code to look the same. Quick example: {{wikipedia|example}} yields example while [[wikipedia:example]] yields wikipedia:example. Note the different outputs. I prefer the template since it saves some typing, and the code is cleaner. —Aichon— 09:18, 21 May 2011 (BST)
    You can use the pipe trick to get the same appearance; although there is slightly more code, there is far less of a drain on server resources. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 13:12, 21 May 2011 (BST)
    Pipes would work, sure, but that's why I mentioned less and cleaner code. Also, it doesn't produce "far less of a drain on server resources." When it comes to server load, the danger of templates is that if they are changed, every page they are included on needs to be re-cached. That's not an issue here since unsigned doesn't change. —Aichon— 07:04, 22 May 2011 (BST)
    It's been changed twice recently. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 07:38, 22 May 2011 (BST)
    "...frequently". Sorry, forgot to put that at the end of my last comment. ;) Anyway, two edits in three years (both of which had to be requested via A/PT) is nothing to be concerned with. To put things in perspective, in the same time period, your sig has changed 15x more frequently and is on more than 45x as many pages, yet none of us seem to object to it. :P —Aichon— 10:38, 22 May 2011 (BST)
    Actually, I object. Tongue :P I think we should get rid of templated sigs for precisely those reasons (added DB calls on every page load, plus cache invalidation of every page on which they are transcluded when they change), but while they are permitted by WIKI LAW, I'm going to keep availing myself of the convenience. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 22:40, 22 May 2011 (BST)
    Basically, yeah. This is why there was the request to delete Nosubst. This template is far less harmful though and more intuitive to the partially wiki-literate. It's a tool and you shouldn't take away tools that don't actually harm anything just for the sake of simplicity. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 03:02, 23 May 2011 (BST)
    Not sure how this template is more intuitive than the normal link; if they can find this template, they can find out how to use the link (which should be described in the help pages, anyway).--The General T Sys U! P! F! 17:17, 24 May 2011 (BST)
    Wikipedia:wikipedia: for one. The fact that templates are easier to understand to a layman than magic words for two. We assume that most users can pick up and learn templates fairly quickly and magic words/parsers rarely. I'm actually not a fan of the template but I don't see a reason to remove the option just so we don't have to change them manually. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 03:41, 25 May 2011 (BST)
    Bah. If you really objected, your actions would speak for you and you wouldn't avail yourself of it at all. :P —Aichon— 03:57, 23 May 2011 (BST)
    So the Nosubst deletion nomination counts for naught? Tongue :P
    I have a policy discussion in the works, but I don't know how long it will take me to get to. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 04:33, 23 May 2011 (BST)
    So another policy will get passed by a group of individuals that give shit all about the wiki? Lovely. ~Vsig.png 17:08, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
    Whether it passes or not doesn't overly concern me. Which reminds me… ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 23:59, 24 May 2011 (BST)
  8. Keep - u dont delete my contributions to the wiki without me having a say about it --People's Commissar Hagnat [talk] [wcdz] 20:37, 22 May 2011 (BST)
  9. Keep - I prefer the template--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS DORISFlag.jpg LOE ZHU | Яezzens 20:40, 22 May 2011 (BST)

5 delete votes and 4 keeps. Merged (via move) with {{WP}}. Kept {{Wikipedia}} as a soft redirect. Fixed remaining links. ~Vsig.png 05:40, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

No reason to have a soft redirect when a standard redirect preserves functionality and doesn't make it harder to reach the new template page(the entire purpose of soft redirects)--Karekmaps 2.0?! 07:05, 6 June 2011 (BST)

... this must be one of the most dumb moves since gen tried to pass an anti-goon policy with the goons active in the wiki. Creating a redirect in template:wikipedia to ]]template:wp]] just adds more server load to a template whose main reason for deletion was server load. Its just too dumb for me to understand it. The merge votes should've count as a kept in this case, ffs --hagnat 12:31, 6 June 2011 (BST)

You're right, since server load is the issue, we pretty much should have had this deleted lul -- ϑanceϑanceℜevolution 12:41, 6 June 2011 (BST)
Yeah, pretty much. I kept as a soft redirect per Rev's suggestion but Karek reverted back to a typical redirect. If people want to keep it as a redirect or just keep the template rather than delete it then that's fine with me. That was never brought up during voting but whatever. ~Vsig.png 15:31, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
It's a soft redirect now actually. It was just waiting on verification that all usage was gone. Also, not really server intensive in any way. Even the claims of the editing of it were edits done by the people claiming they were a problem. Anyways, now it's set to sit for a month or three until we can be reasonably sure people have gotten the message.--Karekmaps 2.0?! 09:19, 7 June 2011 (BST)
I think we're both misinterpreting what a soft redirect is. They are just a short messages directing someone to an external site. I don't even think a soft (or even a "hard") redirect is warranted TBQH. It should just be deleted since that is how the voting concluded. If there is sufficient reason to keep it, put in a request at A/U. Otherwise, it comes off a lot like just a disagreement with the voting results and maneuvering things to turn this into a keep. ~Vsig.png 05:52, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
I just set it up in a way to make it clear that WP was the current version and this page is no longer in use as a template. Terminology be damned I guess. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 08:43, 8 June 2011 (BST)
That's all well and good, but it was voted for deletion??? -- ϑanceϑanceℜevolution 04:34, 9 June 2011 (BST)
Yeah no, when 2 of the 5 deletes are merges and the other 4 votes are keeps that reasoning doesn't really fly. Especially when you actually read Revenants vote. That being said it's still going to be deleted, it's just going to be left as a soft redirect for a bit first because the template still exists. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 09:04, 9 June 2011 (BST)
My point is that it's funny when so many people vote but in the end it becomes a situational decision by one person pushing for what they want. I voted delete because I use the [[wikipedia]] code personally, but as a whole I'm indifferent. It's worth noting though that Merge got the least votes out of all the options, even if you aren't inclined to count them as implicit deletes (which you are) -- ϑanceϑanceℜevolution 09:25, 9 June 2011 (BST)
Meh, the only reason it qualifies is that last Merge vote that puts it over and since the vote in question specifically qualifies itself as situational upon the soft redirect it's really just common sense. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 09:34, 9 June 2011 (BST)
I wasn't quite aware that we were intending on deleting it eventually and this was transitional? Is that actually the case? Cause if it is, it makes more sense and has made me look like a dil to boot. -- ϑanceϑanceℜevolution 11:21, 9 June 2011 (BST)
We are and it is.--Karekmaps 2.0?! 11:27, 9 June 2011 (BST)
I remember reading that but somewhere along the line I forgot. I'm a bit of a mess -- ϑanceϑanceℜevolution 03:51, 11 June 2011 (BST)
S'ok, apparently you're not the only one who doesn't have time to read s recent comments make oh so clear. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 17:29, 11 June 2011 (BST)

What are you guys doing? Let me run through the process for handling a Delete and Merge result, since it's very simple, but has apparently been forgotten:

  1. Merge the two pages.
  2. Fix all links to point to the new page, except where they were specifically being used to refer to the old one as opposed to the new one (e.g. discussions like here)
  3. Fix all transclusions to point to the new page that it's being merged into
  4. Delete the page

That's all you guys had to do, but for some reason, you got stuck between #2 and #3. Why did no one check for and fix transclusions before replacing the template with text telling people not to use it? And why was that text put in at all, when your job was to follow the vote's results and delete the page? We don't need text telling people not to use a page that's been deleted, since people don't use pages that aren't there. That's why you delete them. Why has this not been done? —Aichon— 21:32, 10 June 2011 (BST)

I did fix all incoming links and transclusions (although I think I must have missed the one transclusion in this vote). As for deleting it, that's what is currently under discussion. Pages have been kept as a redirect during a deletion before. I don't know that a redirect of this nature has been used before but I'm open to using them. I just want it made clear what is happening, since at first it seemed to me like maneuvering to turn a delete decision into a keep decision. ~Vsig.png 21:45, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
1. Not a standard case. 2. If you can't be asked to read any of the intervening discussion that has happened don't bother to comment. You're just wasting everyone's time at this point. Third, since I know you won't bother to read through any of it because of your "right-ness"(a common problem with users of this wiki), Template:Wikipedia is a long existing template that was implemented 5 years ago. Above and beyond that it's a popular template on wikipedia projects. If you don't want to run the risk of users recreating it you do it this way, which is also the only way it actually passes as a delete vote, having changed it essentially just saved the step of creating the soft redirect or redirect(since one is justified, the template still exists). Also, it's still getting deleted, now shoo. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 17:29, 11 June 2011 (BST)
*"Can't be arsed".--Yonnua Koponen T G P ^^^ 18:32, 11 June 2011 (BST)
I'll excuse your personal (and hurtful, coming from you) attacks on me as a courtesy. First off, I'm aware of its history and would prefer it stay around (see my vote above). Second, as I'm sure you agree, failing to fix any transclusions was an oversight in need of correction, and leaving them while altering the template is never part of proper procedure, so a mistake was definitely made here. Third, I think that you're not giving Rev enough credit, since he's a smart guy, is well-versed in the rules, and says what he means. If he had wanted it to be taken the way you say, he could have said Keep with his comment, or else he could have said Merge on the condition that it be done as he described. Instead, he said Merge, which he knows acts as a Delete, and he phrased it as a suggestion, instead of as a comment on which his vote was contingent. Fourth, see Crit 6. That's how you stop people from recreating the page on this wiki. Anyway, I'm not going to stick around to argue it further, so you'll get what you wanted from me. —Aichon— 18:57, 11 June 2011 (BST)
Not personal, just frustrated. Sometimes even I tire of repeating myself and this would mke probably the fourth time this has been addressed. It's an unusual case and a close vote, it seems reasonable to try and do it in a way that has the least potential to cause issues(in this case phasing it out in steps). As for Crit 6, that's generally connected with vandalism cases historically. A situation that relies on it is less than ideal. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 21:44, 11 June 2011 (BST)

Dupilcated image

[1] Un-used duplicate of [2], 1 could be deletead?--Michalesonbadge.pngTCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 16:03, 17 May 2011 (BST)

  1. Scheduled - but I'll check with Schwan before deleting. ~Vsig.png 16:10, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
  2. Speedy - Two days short of a scheduled. -- Cheese 18:50, 17 May 2011 (BST)

A. Schwan confirmed on his talk page that the image was unneeded, so I deleted it as crit 7 by proxy. ~Vsig.png 21:37, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Template:Nosubst

Horrible hack that exists only to work around sensible software limitations. We should take the opportunity given by the new sig size limits to recognise this, delete this abomination, and have all users made to use proper signatures. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 11:26, 2 May 2011 (BST)

Just to be clear... this isn't going to break existing sig inclusions, is it. Just people who (attempt to) use it from now on.
I have long hated templated sigs, but then I also hate having to scroll through huge swathes of sig code if it's subst'ed into discussions -- boxy 11:37, 2 May 2011 (BST)
Correct.
And yeah, me too, but it's a bit “damned if you do, damned if you don't”, and templated sigs cause more problems than they solve, which is why they're prohibited by default by the MediaWiki software unless you deliberately circumvent that with a measure such as this template.ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 11:53, 2 May 2011 (BST)
Or change a one-line setting in the software....--The General T Sys U! P! F! 12:09, 2 May 2011 (BST)
Sadly I feel its too late. If it was setup from the beginning, I'd have no problem, but deleting it now is just going to break loads of links. Rev should set up UDWiki 2.0 --Rosslessness 12:16, 2 May 2011 (BST)
It was set up in the beginning, by Kevan, and then hacked around by users. And it shouldn't change any links that use it properly: the rest can be easily fixed. What it will do is necessitate users to change their sigs. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 12:27, 2 May 2011 (BST)
No it wasn't. The mediawiki software didn't originally force substitution in signatures: It was added in an update and there wasn't originally a setting to turn it off, so we developed a workaround.--The General T Sys U! P! F! 12:33, 2 May 2011 (BST)
Whats the fix? --Rosslessness 12:37, 2 May 2011 (BST)
Mostly deleting it out of MrAushvitz's fucking sig. Grr! Argh! *shaking fist* ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 12:44, 2 May 2011 (BST)
Ah, thats why its used on so many of the old suggestion pages. Get on that, use your crazy robot. --Rosslessness 12:49, 2 May 2011 (BST)
  1. Kill with fire. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 11:26, 2 May 2011 (BST)
  2. Keep - Templated sigs are allowed by wiki policy; If you don't like it then change the policy rather than trying to delete the template that allows them.--The General T Sys U! P! F! 11:44, 2 May 2011 (BST)
    Mind to show me where a policy directly grants the use of templated sigs as a right? Can't find it in the sig policy, nor do I see any other applicable policy. -- Spiderzed█ 11:57, 2 May 2011 (BST)
    The section that says: What would be allowed - Anything that isn't? --Yonnua Koponen T G P ^^^ 12:01, 2 May 2011 (BST)
  3. Kill this is terrible, I assume, so down with it or something. --カシュー, ザ ゾンビ クィーン (ビープ ビープ) Katthewsigtag.gif @ 12:17, 2 May 2011 (BST)
  4. Keep - This template is linked to lots of stuff. Who is going to fix all of the broken links if this gets deleted?--GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 12:24, 2 May 2011 (BST)
    Me, if nobody else does, and before it gets deleted. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 12:34, 2 May 2011 (BST)
  5. keep as above-- Boobs.sh.siggie.gif   bitch  12:31, 2 May 2011 (utc)
  6. Keep - just because I think General has a better option of dealing with this- it would also allow more comfortable transition period for those of us who do used the damned templated sigs. -- ϑanceϑanceℜevolution 12:47, 2 May 2011 (BST)
  7. Keep --Yonnua Koponen T G P ^^^ 12:59, 2 May 2011 (BST)
  8. Keep -- Cat Pic.png Thadeous Oakley Talk 13:08, 2 May 2011 (BST)
  9. Kill -- Honestly ok with this. Can we get rid of the signature policy next? Maybe replace it with something that simply says your sig can't impersonate other users, break pages, and needs to show who you are and leave it at that? --Karekmaps 2.0?! 13:41, 2 May 2011 (BST)
  10. Kill Having looked at it, seems fair, as long as rev wipes out the linked list. --Rosslessness 13:52, 2 May 2011 (BST)
  11. Keep --Weed.jpgArthur DentWeed.jpg BIN LADEN IS DEAD!!!!! 14:31, 2 May 2011
  12. Keep It works fine. Has for years. Old folks coming back to the wiki will have to deal with some shit the first time they try to sign. Would be pretty off-putting I think. ~Vsig.png Amurica. Fuck. Yeah 22:19, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
  13. Delete -- boxy 07:42, 3 May 2011 (BST)
  14. Delete -obsolete --Karloth Vois ¯\(°_o)/¯ 15:41, 3 May 2011 (BST)
  15. Keep - The only way I'll be okay with a delete if there is a code length limit on signatures. So steal from WP, basically. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 23:56, 10 May 2011 (BST)
    With the software update, signatures are now limited by the software to 255 characters. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 03:41, 11 May 2011 (BST)
    The Goon's signature (and probably others) still manage to be ridiculously big. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 04:33, 11 May 2011 (BST)
    They're subst'd in. If they were using {{nosubst}} and signing using e.g. {{SUBST:Nosubst|Goonsig|Revenant}}, they'd be breaking the template transclusion limit on every page they posted on in short order. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 04:40, 11 May 2011 (BST)
    That's not what I'm talking about; I'm talking about how long the code for their signatures are. It's very long. If templated signatures want to be deleted, it's better suited for policy discussion, provided a reasonable alternative is included (so no long signature codes, it makes me angry). --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 04:44, 11 May 2011 (BST)
    I'm not sure you're understanding me, so I'll give you a demonstration… the invocation {{Goonsig|Revenant}} gives You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||, which is the same as what specifying {{SUBST:Nosubst|Goonsig|Revenant}} as your signature results in. In contrast, using {{SUBST:Goonsig|Revenant}} as your signature results in… You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!||||||||||||||||||||||||
    I think what AHLG is saying is that without {{nosubst}}, all code heavy signatures will add heavy amounts of code to pages when signing. The inclusion sizes don't matter to too many people as long as they don't have to wade through umpteen lines of code when they want to contribute to dicussion. My biggest issue with this deletion request is that it is being passed off as sensible software limitations. I don't believe sensible is the right word. Minimal or default software limits is more descriptive. Its like saying that the "if" templates are a crappy hack job because the software has sensible limits on parser functions. The wiki software sucks. It's vanilla. So what if there exists a hack to make it suck less? It's rare that anything is broken because of templated sigs. ~Vsig.png 05:26, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
    It's really not as rare as it would be without Nosubst. Not to mention that with Nosubst gone it would mean that actually useful templates won't be excluded from pages like A/VB and A/M. It actually opens up possibilities for us that we currently have to code around.--Karekmaps 2.0?! 05:50, 11 May 2011 (BST)
    When I say rare I mean extremely rare. The only instance of page breakage in recent history was A/VB and it was due mostly to the whole of A/VB/Bots being transcluded. And then it only became a problem when we came under heavy bot attacks. That problem was easily solved by no longer transcluding A/VB/Bots, which was largely unecessary to begin with. It could also be argued that it was the size of the regular non-sig templates causing it to break. If any other possibilities will arise by deleting {{nosubst}}, I fail to see what they may be. ~Vsig.png 06:10, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
    It actually really can't because the sig templates were actually being called multiple times in the inclusion chain. While it's easy enough to noinclude them and thus limit the amount of data being called through them superficially, that also compromises the purpose of signing needlessly. We shouldn't have to adapt how pages work because some users want to use a feature actually disabled by the software itself. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 22:04, 11 May 2011 (BST)
    Yes, the sigs were called multiple time but so were the non-sig templates due to the fact that the whole of A/VB/B being transcluded. In the case of the templated sigs, it was a template call ({{nosubst}}), inside a template call (the template sig which themselves sometimes called on other templates) inside a template call (the transcluded A/VB/B). Similarly, with the non-sig templates, there were template calls ({{usr}}), inside a template call ({{vndl}}) inside a template call (the transcluded A/VB/B). The points I'm trying to make are that a) we've taken steps to correct page breaking on A/VB and b) it really wasn't necessary to transclude A/VB/B in the first place. Whatever value that A/VB/B added to A/VB was superficial and it is actually a lot simpler to just include links to it from MediaWiki:recentchangestext and MediaWiki:blockipsuccesstext and be done with it. ~Vsig.png 14:40, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
    Vapor: Not at all. There is a wiki software setting to enable unsubstituted template signatures. Kevan has it set to the default, which is to disable them. When I described this as a “hack workaround”, that was the literal truth. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 07:19, 11 May 2011 (BST)
    That's not entirely accurate. Kevan hasn't set it to anything: When the wiki was first set up the setting wasn't available and templated signatures were allowed; a software update disallowed them and the setting to change that was only introduced later. We are forced to use this sort of hack due to the difficulty in getting Kevan to change the software.--The General T U! P! F! 09:09, 11 May 2011 (BST)
    Yeah, I'm not disputing that it is a hack, I just don't agree that it is a worthless hack. I really don't believe Kevan made a conscious decision to turn off unsubstituted signatures way back when. Just like I don't think he intentionally set the max characters for raw signatures to 255. He likely just ran the update without any customization. I think we can reasonably leave {{nosubst}} in place and any sigs that happen to break pages can be dealt with on a case-by-case basis, as it has been done in the past. ~Vsig.png 15:54, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
    What I am saying is that when I hit edit there is a heck of a lot of code to wade through. Here is a sample from A/BP. Removing templated signatures encourages code use, which wouldn't be so bad if some of the signatures (irrespective of the manner in which they are placed) are really code heavy. But besides any of that, what we are really talking about is the issue that templated signatures breaking similar templates and other templates on pages. A/VB is a good example, as are talk pages. A simple solution may be to not use templated signatures on just these pages if such a problem arises, and it rarely does, do as what Vapor said just above. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 16:32, 11 May 2011 (BST)
    It's been a while since I checked but I'm pretty sure that template signatures trigger a few different DB searches every time they're included on a page. All changing this does is force the search to happen once when the user signs instead of every single time someone edits the page for every single time the template appears on it. On top of that signatures larger than 255 characters have to call a template in their code so that can actually be sorta policed easily enough. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 22:04, 11 May 2011 (BST)
    So, it is to say that after I sign at the end of this comment, the code is merely substed in instead of as a template? Meaning that the code length isn't an issue for whatever is added in the corresponding preferences section. It's still an issue though to how long the code is at the end result. The issue for me hasn't to do with me wanting to keep this more complex templated signature, I'm fine changing this I just find the heavy code sigs cumbersome when I go to edit. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 22:40, 11 May 2011 (BST)
    I'm saying that without {{GoonSig}} the goon's sigs wouldn't be possible because it's a template call made in Preferences that's substituting the template. We can police that because the template has to exist for them to call, like your sig. I'm also saying that your sig makes the server do a lot more work then, say, mine. Something on the order of 3-5 times the work with one inclusion of your sig. More every time a user uses a template signature. Mine adds to this page's DB content and gets called as part of the Page's call then run through the wiki-markup and sent to the browser so it can act on the html, yours adds to the actual processing of the page before we see it because it has to be interpreted by the wiki markup and then search the DB for the page you're referencing in the signature which then also has to be run through the wiki markup each and every single time someone loads the page for each and every time someone signs on it with a template signature. In the best case scenario it's done once per signature per page and referenced from that, at worse it's done once for every time you sign. Hopefully that answers some of the question because I'm kinda confused about what you were trying to say.--Karekmaps 2.0?! 23:07, 11 May 2011 (BST)
    It should be noted, however, that to say it is "3-5 times the load" is somewhat misleading because the queries take somewhere in the range of 0.003 seconds.--The General T U! P! F! 23:36, 11 May 2011 (BST)
    I'm talking about actual stress on the server. Also should mention that that's actually not necessarily the case, especially on larger pages about these parts and larger signatures for that matter. The number of queries can have an impact in speed, and a notable one at that. Here's an example Suggestions/RejectedDecember2005 vs User talk:Karek. The first has no expanding templates due to file size, the second takes longer to load. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 05:36, 13 May 2011 (BST)
    I might be missing your point, Karek, but those don't seem to be good examples of pages breaking/server strain due to templated sig calls. Both have giant walls of text which cause them to be so large. When that happens, templates stop working properly. I can't find even a single attempt to call on a templated sig in your first example nor is there any extraneous template usage (just {{prejection}} it seems). In your second example, nothing seems broken despite lots of templated sigs and it didn't seem to load any longer than any other page; not for my anyway. ~Vsig.png 06:03, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
    It was a comparison of text size vs number of calls and their effect on speed. Largely irrelevant now that I've archived my talk but here is that archive. Should have the same visible effect. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 14:43, 13 May 2011 (BST)
    I am a also talking about server load, hence my comment that a database query takes very little time. Yes, more queries do have an impact on server load but it is not generally a major problem: In fact, a few large queries are a lot heavier on the server than lots of small ones. So, yeah, lots of massive template inclusions will hurt the server but so will lots of massive walls of text on a single page and most signature templates aren't that largem.--The General T U! P! F! 08:45, 13 May 2011 (BST)
    Unless we want to ask Kevan for some performance stats to settle this, can we stop waving our wiki-peens? Tongue :P ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 08:54, 13 May 2011 (BST)
    I would prefer to call it a "reasoned debate" Tongue :P.--The General T U! P! F! 14:36, 13 May 2011 (BST)
    ^This. Although we could probably move it to the talk page or {{Nosubst}} talk page or something. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 14:43, 13 May 2011 (BST)
    Seconded, although keep the current discussion points here so for perspective voters. ~Vsig.png 14:51, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
  16. Keep - after some serious pondering. I'd vote delete in a heartbeat if it had been that way all the time, but pulling it away now will cause a lot of issues for rarely active users. Adding substings to sigs occassionally, while not fun, is the lesser evil. -- Spiderzed█ 17:02, 11 May 2011 (BST)
  17. Keep - I'm with Vapor and Gnome on this one.--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS DORISFlag.jpg LOE ZHU | Яezzens 23:42, 13 May 2011 (BST)
  18. Keep - What problem is this fixing? Transclusion limits on high-traffic pages? If so, just ban templated sigs on the pages in question. Otherwise, I'm with AHLG. I do NOT want to read "lol" followed by 14 lines of code before I can see the next comment, which is what this would cause to happen far too often. —Aichon— 08:49, 15 May 2011 (BST)

Kept. 12 Keep votes and 6 Delete votes. ~Vsig.png 05:27, 17 May 2011 (UTC)


Federal Stafford Loan Program

Oh, I guess this is how pages are deleted? It was some sort of weird spam. -Susan Bakersfield 03:22, 14 May 2011 (BST)

Got this one when clearing out the bots. It's best to report them there (although it gets done here anyway). Thanks -- boxy 07:55, 14 May 2011 (BST)

Smart Revive Policy

The Smart Revive Policy was created in error and is effectively the No Random Revive Policy. It appears that Obsdark didn't read the No Random Revive Policy, and just looked at the old title of the page. There is only a few pages that link to the Smart Revive Policy and those could be redirected to the No Random Revive Policy. I also updated the No Random Revive Policy to merge in any of the needed information from Smart Revive Policy. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 02:07, 27 April 2011 (BST)

  1. Keep - this is a filibuster vote – Nubis NWO 02:14, 27 April 2011 (BST)
  2. Speedy crit 1 though voting speedy seems kind of pointless due to the above "vote". ~Vsig.png 03:09, 27 April 2011
  3. Delete - Technically crit 1, but seeing how Nubis is reading from the dictionary, it'll have to wait it out. -- Cheese 13:50, 27 April 2011 (BST)
  4. Delete Unneeded and inferior copy of an established tactic. -- Spiderzed█ 14:24, 27 April 2011 (BST)
  5. Speedy - Criteria 1.--Yonnua Koponen T G P ^^^ 14:41, 27 April 2011 (BST)
  6. 'delete this is a busterfily vote -- ϑanceϑanceℜevolution 17:07, 27 April 2011 (BST)
  7. keep As a Redirect. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 21:25, 27 April 2011 (BST)
  8. Keep - redirect -- boxy 07:44, 3 May 2011 (BST)
  9. Keep as the boxman -- HEY! HANDS OFF MAH BOOBS!   bitch  06:31, 11 May 2011 (utc)
  10. Keep - Redirect it--Michalesonbadge.pngTCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 22:19, 11 May 2011 (BST)

5 to 5. Kept as a redirect. ~Vsig.png 06:25, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

The living

Not really much in the way of content here. I'd like to have the page deleted so that I can use the name (with a capitol L). *Clint Clintstone* Talk 10:35 21 April 2011 (EST)

  1. delete - never got off the ground etc. -- ϑanceϑanceℜevolution 03:46, 22 April 2011 (BST)
  2. Keep - This is both history, a group that existed(and we don't delete disbanded groups just 'cause), and also a page stuffed full of content when context is shown. We killed crit 12 for a reason. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 03:52, 22 April 2011 (BST)
  3. Keep. Its well linked. --Rosslessness 11:04, 22 April 2011 (BST)
    My arse. it has like 8 and you made half of them years ago and only because they mentioned the dead? -- ϑanceϑanceℜevolution 12:07, 22 April 2011 (BST)
    Sorry, its referred to as part of the did you know section of the wiki, I don't know why Clint doesn't just use The Living --Rosslessness 12:28, 22 April 2011 (BST)
  4. Keep. As Ross. You don't have to get rid of that page to create The Living. And we could also add a disambiguation notice on top of the page to refer to the older/newer group respectively. -- Spiderzed█ 12:47, 22 April 2011 (BST)
    This^. Especially since they're both unique pages and the stats page links by caps(like the whole wiki). --Karekmaps 2.0?! 13:42, 22 April 2011 (BST)
  5. Keep - As Above.-- | T | BALLS! | 13:46 22 April 2011(UTC)
  6. Delete Just another of those "exists only on paper" kind of groups with no real content, the kind of which we deleted hundreds of. -- Cat Pic.png Thadeous Oakley Talk 13:59, 22 April 2011 (BST)
  7. Delete - this page doesn't stop you using the capital L space... and anyway, afaik, this one is just a reactionary page to The Dead... puppy tears, and all that, y'know Tongue :P -- boxy 15:08, 22 April 2011 (BST)
    He'll find it difficult to do as that The Living is now in use. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 21:38, 25 April 2011 (BST)
  8. Keep -- Asheets 16:15, 22 April 2011 (BST)
  9. Keep SHUT THE FUCK UP!. i loled.--  bitch 16:19, 22 April 2011
  10. Delete - get out. --Karloth Vois ¯\(°_o)/¯ 17:50, 22 April 2011 (BST)
  11. Keep - this is a filibuster vote – Nubis NWO 23:57, 23 April 2011 (BST)
  12. Keep - Sure, why not - Serious Post Please do not silly. You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| DealWithIt.gif 15:27, 24 April 2011 (BST)
  13. Keep - We're already deleting the living from the game, why not have a reminder they once existed here? --Laughing Man 15:44, 24 April 2011 (BST)
  14. Weak Keep - As Karek and Ross, but weaker. Linkthewindow  Talk  16:18, 24 April 2011 (BST)
  15. Keep - As Karek and Ross. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 21:38, 25 April 2011 (BST)
  16. Keep - As Spiderzed.--Yonnua Koponen T G P ^^^ 17:40, 26 April 2011 (BST)

Kept with 12 Keeps and 4 Deletes. ~Vsig.png 06:17, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Bookmarks

I wanted to make a page under my username, but instead made this. I already remade the page under my user-name, here, so I would like for you to delete this page (somebody else may want to use Bookmarks in the future, and I don't want to waste space).--ShadowScope'the true enemy' 02:33, 1 May 2011 (BST)

EDIT: Also requesting a Speedy Delete, if that is all possible.--ShadowScope'the true enemy' 02:34, 1 May 2011 (BST)
Scheduled – Speedy, Crit 7 by proxy. All gone. Happy ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 03:56, 1 May 2011 (BST)

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