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Deletion Requests

The Merry Medics Group Page

The creator of the group doesn't play anymore and as I created the page for him, I think it should be deleted as there is no longer any use for it. -- Krazy Monkey W! 23:13, 18 July 2006 (BST)

  • Delete - Tentative, but if he ever comes back, it's not like it will be difficult to resurrect the page — even if the history wipe comes into effect before this hypothetical return. –Xoid STFU! 23:42, 18 July 2006 (BST)
I know him in RL and he's basically given up on UD altogther. -- Krazy Monkey W! 23:43, 18 July 2006 (BST)

Comment - I could move this to speedy under criterion 7 couldn't I? I'm the author and the only changes the other guy did was highlight part of the text. -- Krazy Monkey W! 22:46, 26 July 2006 (BST)

While you "can", I consider it poor form - it has been voted on, so let it wait a couple more days until it gets deleted. –Xoid STFU! 03:03, 27 July 2006 (BST)

sreath147 and User:sreath147

I went to move everything from the first page to User:Sreath87 since it is an alt account. I got confused with the numbers thinking 147 was 87. That's why there is a User page up there. I moved all the content to the real user page. So...yeah. Sonny Corleone WTF RRF ASS 15:07, 29 July 2006 (BST)

  • Speedy Delete - Criterion comecriterionnumberIcan'tremember. --Brizth M T 18:40, 29 July 2006 (BST)
  • Speedy Delete - Criteria 3 and/or 9 for the first, criterion 11 for the second. –Xoid STFU! 19:16, 29 July 2006 (BST)
  • Speedy Delete - Criteria whatever and whatever. –Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 19:41, 29 July 2006 (BST)
Speedy Deleted. --Brizth M T 23:59, 29 July 2006 (BST)

Template:ASSaultSupporterSmall & Template:ASSaultSupporter

ASS-logo-draft-1.png ASSault Supporter
This user or group supports ASS's current ASSault.
ASS-logo-draft-1.png ASSault Supporter
This user or group supports ASS's current ASSault.

Criterion 1 -- I hardly think that a single template is justification for a page. Xigyac 02:55, 14 July 2006 (BST)

  • Keep - First of all, read the rules of the page. Second, just because you created a worthless page, that I nominated for speedy deletion, doesn't mean you have to try to attack me. Third, what the fuck do you expect in the Template namespace other than templates? My God, grow up, you dumb, pathetic fuck. –Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 03:00, 14 July 2006 (BST)
  • Keep -- Uhh stupid all templates are all on seperate pages. --Technerd 03:14, 14 July 2006 (BST)
  • Keep - You want to know what kind of stupidity we target, Xigyac? This sort. Vindictive little cunts such as yourself. –Xoid STFU! 03:17, 14 July 2006 (BST)
  • Keep - you better stop before you set yourself up for an ASSing. Remember: we OWN the wiki... fear us!--Sig.PNGtalk 03:35, 14 July 2006 (BST)
  • Keep - If there's any justice in the world, you are going to die alone. --Jimbo Bob ASSU! 06:31, 14 July 2006 (BST)
  • Keep - FFS you bastard.. I'm using the small one. You get that deleted, I get you deleted. --Niilomaan 19:22, 17 July 2006 (BST)
  • Keep - I pity the foo' who wants this deleted. Sonny Corleone WTF 23:29, 18 July 2006 (BST)
  • Keep - What next? How about you editing the front page?--Thari 07:36, 22 July 2006 (BST)
  • Keep - Ban Xigyac --Mookiemookie 21:14, 25 July 2006 (BST)

Kept. --Brizth M T 18:50, 29 July 2006 (BST)

Template:Wiki Gestapo

Hitler adolf.jpg Wiki Gestapo
This user is a member of the Wiki Gestapo.

Need I say more? Sonny Corleone WTF 05:24, 10 July 2006 (BST)

  • Keep - Go away, whingebucket. –Xoid STFU! 05:53, 10 July 2006 (BST)
    It may be funny but is it really appropriare for the wiki? Sonny Corleone WTF 06:00, 10 July 2006 (BST)
    Since people have often insinuated that this place is run by some shadowy cabal, I feel it's only right to mock their idiocy by giving them something else with no substance to bitch about. (i.e. Yeah, anyone who reports vandalism really is a part of our sinister organisation, hell-bent on hunting down vandals and gassing them. Sure.) –Xoid STFU! 06:06, 10 July 2006 (BST)
  • Keep the template, delete the image, replace the image with one of Kitler everyone will be far happier. When I say everyone, I mean me. Remember how long ICB went on? Ugh. Not even entertaining wiki drama. Kitler however. Hours of fun. -Banana Bear 06:19, 10 July 2006 (BST)
  • Keep - Grow a sense of humour. --Jimbo Bob ASSU! 06:23, 10 July 2006 (BST)
  • Keep - Give me a fucking break, this is obviously tongue-in-cheek humor. The fact that I am a member of the secret shadowy group that controls the wiki is still safe. –Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 06:35, 10 July 2006 (BST)
  • Keep - ZOMG SATIRE OH NOES!!11!12 Grow up. Cyberbob  Talk  06:36, 10 July 2006 (BST)
    • Quick, second Secret Shadow Group Member, activate your Mind Control Ray and keep the civilians under control! –Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 06:42, 10 July 2006 (BST)
      • Will do. *flips switch* There. That should hold them. We can't have the peasants discover our plans for wiki domination, now can we? Cyberbob  Talk  06:46, 10 July 2006 (BST)
        • Never. Not before the Second Plan is in place. Less than twenty-four hours, my friends, and then our time will be here.Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 06:59, 10 July 2006 (BST)
          • I can almost taste the n00b tears... Cyberbob  Talk  07:00, 10 July 2006 (BST)
            • Not yet, not yet. Restrain yourself. I know it's difficult, but when the Old Leader has risen once again, darkness will fall and the Lessers will scurry below us, just as the Legend told us. The power will be in place, and with it, we will reign SUPREME!Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 07:03, 10 July 2006 (BST)
  • Keep - An advice Sonny: Laugh. --Matthew Fahrenheit Talk 06:48, 10 July 2006 (BST)
  • Keep - combined with all this shit, that last conversation made me burst out in laughter. Fuck man that was funny. I tip my hat to Bob and the Bothan Spy. --Sig.PNGtalk 07:07, 10 July 2006 (BST)
    • Thank you. You may be laughing now, but once The Control is in place, the streets will run with your tears, yes, tears of terror!Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 07:10, 10 July 2006 (BST)
      • OMFG he was serious *flits eyes from side to side* --Sig.PNGtalk 07:21, 10 July 2006 (BST)
        • Secret Shadow Group Members... we need not hide ourselves any longer! Show yourselves!Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 07:28, 10 July 2006 (BST)
          • Secret Shadow Group ? Weird. The WCDZ went public a long time ago. Or are you talking about this *new* secret shadow group that some newbs are trying to form in the wiki ? --hagnat mod 17:43, 12 July 2006 (BST)
  • Keep - Whatever. If y'all want it fine. I find it funny too but I'm thinking of what will happen later on. Someone is going to get insulted by Hitler's mug. Sonny Corleone WTF 15:43, 10 July 2006 (BST)
    And then we will laugh at them. --Jimbo Bob ASSU! 20:38, 10 July 2006 (BST)
  • Delete - Not that it will make me cry or feel threatened or be insulted, I just don't think its funny. --Max Grivas JG,T,P! 21:22, 11 July 2006 (BST)
    • wouldn't it be funny if the picture was of cat hitler though? YES!! YES!! YES!! -Banana Bear 02:52, 12 July 2006 (BST)
  • Keep Oh come on, lighten up. It's a joke. Kind of. Anyway, it's ok.

Kept. --Brizth M T 18:50, 29 July 2006 (BST)

ASS these

(Moved from Speedy DeletionsBob Hammero ModB'cratTA 00:42, 5 July 2006 (BST))

--Sig.PNGtalk 23:49, 4 July 2006 (BST)

  • Keep all locations, so that they can be merged or otherwise fleshed out. No need to throw out perfectly good work done to create the 9-block just because there's nothing else there yet. Also, the pictures are quite clever. --JonRock 00:41, 5 July 2006 (BST)
  • Votes on each one:
  1. P.O.T.A.T.O.E.
    Delete, old group page –Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 00:50, 5 July 2006 (BST)
    Delete, antiquated Max Grivas JG,T,P! 00:02, 6 July 2006 (BST)
    Deleted. --Brizth M T 18:50, 29 July 2006 (BST)
  1. St._Osyth's_Church_(West_Becktown) -
    Keep, can be expanded –Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 00:50, 5 July 2006 (BST)
    Deleted, easy to recreate in a merged block Max Grivas JG,T,P! 00:02, 6 July 2006 (BST)
    Keep, enough info to be useful in the future, delete only once there is a merged page to transfer the info to --Boxy 07:08, 9 July 2006 (BST)
    Kept. --Brizth M T 18:50, 29 July 2006 (BST)
  1. Night_Lords -
    Delete, old, small group page –Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 00:50, 5 July 2006 (BST)
    Delete, antiquated Max Grivas JG,T,P! 00:02, 6 July 2006 (BST)
    Deleted. --Brizth M T 18:50, 29 July 2006 (BST)
  1. The_Loder_Museum -
    Keep, can be expanded –Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 00:50, 5 July 2006 (BST)
    Delete, easy to recreate in a merged block Max Grivas JG,T,P! 00:02, 6 July 2006 (BST)
    Kept. --Brizth M T 18:50, 29 July 2006 (BST)
  1. Uppill_Library -
    Keep, can be expanded –Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 00:50, 5 July 2006 (BST)
    Delete, easy to recreate in a merged block Max Grivas JG,T,P! 00:02, 6 July 2006 (BST)
    Keep, enough info to be useful in the future, delete only once there is a merged page to transfer the info to --Boxy 07:08, 9 July 2006 (BST)
    Kept. --Brizth M T 18:50, 29 July 2006 (BST)

Of for… Look, can I just say this? The next time someone wants to delete a one liner, or nonsencial location sub-stub, put it on M/SD. If it has the {{locationblock}} or {{locationblockmerge}} templates done, MERGE THEM, AS PER THE LOCATION STYLE GUIDE YOU LAZY SOD and don't fill this page, or M/SD with shit. –Xoid STFU! 14:51, 6 July 2006 (BST)

I put them there originally, but Hammero moved them--Sig.PNGtalk 06:03, 9 July 2006 (BST)
They got a keep vote, so they had to be moved. –Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 06:12, 9 July 2006 (BST)
I was complaining about Gage placing them on M/SD, more than anything. I'm starting to think a special rule might needed to be added to prevent these sorts of things from clogging up the page. –Xoid STFU! 05:55, 10 July 2006 (BST)


Unused group page not edited since December Ybbor 23:17, 23 July 2006 (BST)

  • Speedy Delete - Criterion 1. But in the future, please put things like this on M/SD. –Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 00:11, 24 July 2006 (BST)
    re: Sorry, I'm still learning the ropes. But for my own knowledge, doesn't this page have more than a line or two of coherent content? Ybbor 02:38, 24 July 2006 (BST)
    No problem. Yeah, it does, but Criterion 1 has historically been (ab)used before to nominate "really old and useless" pages. –Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 02:40, 24 July 2006 (BST)
    Typically due to the fact that really old pages that can no longer be expanded and have no useful content fit the best under criterion 1. –Xoid STFU! 03:12, 24 July 2006 (BST)
  • Speedy Deletify - as above--Gage 10:48, 24 July 2006 (BST)
  • Speedy Delete - Clear this off the page. --Jimbo Bob ASSU! 23:37, 24 July 2006 (BST)
It's gone. --Brizth mod T W! 23:49, 24 July 2006 (BST)


Everything that this guy created. Unrelated to UD. Sonny Corleone WTF 21:20, 19 July 2006 (BST)

I'd probably say it qualifies for a speedy deletion.--The General T Sys U! P! F! 21:52, 19 July 2006 (BST)
A bit of flavour never hurt, but without a helluva lot more content (i.e. all the "actually-relevant-to-Urban Dead-stuff") they qualifty under criteria 1 and 2, IMO.
  • Speedy Delete - Criteria 1 and 2. –Xoid STFU! 23:26, 19 July 2006 (BST)
  • Speedy Delete - criteria 1 & 2 --Gage 10:49, 24 July 2006 (BST)
  • Speedy Delete - Clear this off the page. --Jimbo Bob ASSU! 23:37, 24 July 2006 (BST)
Deleted the lot. --Brizth mod T W! 23:49, 24 July 2006 (BST)


Dude...gross. Sonny Corleone WTF 16:53, 22 July 2006 (BST)

  • Speedy Delete - Criterion 2. Didn't need to see that. –Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 17:40, 22 July 2006 (BST)
  • Speedy Delete - Criterion 2. And requesting permission to shoot the guy that uploaded it. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRC | T | W! 18:27, 22 July 2006 (BST)
  • Speedy Delete - Criterion 2. –Xoid STFU! 03:30, 23 July 2006 (BST)
  • Moderator: Speedily motherfucking deleted. Good riddance. –Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 04:55, 23 July 2006 (BST)
Thanks. And no joke, when I saw that I held back puke. Sonny Corleone WTF 04:55, 23 July 2006 (BST)
Don't blame you. I was just waiting for the third speedy delete vote. –Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 04:57, 23 July 2006 (BST)


Isn't that copyrighted or something? Sonny Corleone WTF 15:09, 22 July 2006 (BST)

Moderator: Critereon 2, plus copyright issues. Deleted. --Karlsbad 15:38, 22 July 2006 (BST)

Again. –Xoid STFU! 08:29, 27 July 2006 (BST)
Again.--The General T Sys U! P! F! 08:33, 27 July 2006 (BST)

Ban Reptileus

Created to ban user. Very stupid. Please delete. A warning would be good though. Sonny Corleone WTF 03:17, 20 July 2006 (BST)

didn't YOU make this? Are you calling YOURSELF stupid?--Gage 03:18, 20 July 2006 (BST)
Gage, always bringing the fun. Sonny Corleone WTF 03:51, 20 July 2006 (BST)
And its barbeque flavored! --Karlsbad 04:37, 20 July 2006 (BST)
  • Delete Personally I don't care of the process, but he did realize that his actions were stupid. For that, I clap my hands for you. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRC | T | W! 03:26, 20 July 2006 (BST)
  • Delete but I still am mad for Reptile at his for failure-Banana Bear 05:32, 20 July 2006 (BST)!!!!
  • Delete No popularity contests please. [sarcasm] I would win them all, and then everyone would cry. [/s]. --Darth Sensitive talkW! 18:25, 20 July 2006 (BST)
  • Speedy Delete - Not in line with the ideals of a Wiki. – Nubis NWO 19:29, 20 July 2006 (BST)
  • Speedy Delete - violates the spirit of the wiki--Gage 01:42, 21 July 2006 (BST)
    Technically his pages violates the spirit of the wiki. Sonny Corleone WTF 01:45, 21 July 2006 (BST)
    Yeah, but I believe this is worse--Gage 11:41, 21 July 2006 (BST)
  • Speedy Delete - We really don't need it.--Thari 07:43, 22 July 2006 (BST)

Moderator: Speedily Deleted. – Nubis NWO 15:28, 22 July 2006 (BST)

Various MDG Components

Looking back on it, It's a bad idea. You can throw a crucifix at it nuke it from orbit for all I care.--Labine50 MHG|MalTel 21:48, 5 July 2006 (BST)

  • DeleteBob Hammero ModB'cratTA 22:50, 5 July 2006 (BST)
  • Delete Yeah, me too. --Max Grivas JG,T,P! 23:54, 5 July 2006 (BST)
  • Keep I didn't get a chance to really read it, but I would've been interested in joining a group of Doctors. Darkxarth 02:47, 10 July 2006 (BST)
    • Then get a chance to really read them. As far as I know, it's no longer around, and the author requested that they be deleted. –Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 02:56, 10 July 2006 (BST)
  • Speedy Delete - Criterion 1 (and 7?) –Xoid STFU! 05:57, 10 July 2006 (BST)
Moderater: Deleted. –Xoid STFU! 23:28, 18 July 2006 (BST)

Suicide points

Is this really needed? I think we have enough maps around the place to facilitate finding a suicide point. –Xoid STFU! 13:47, 29 June 2006 (BST)

  • Delete - Yep, not needed. –Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 17:39, 29 June 2006 (BST)
  • Delete - Nothing more to say. -- Tico 22:27, 29 June 2006 (BST)
  • Delete - It has remained incomplete for far too long. --Max Grivas JG,T,P! 23:00, 29 June 2006 (BST)
Moderater: Deleted. –Xoid STFU! 01:44, 18 July 2006 (BST)


In a nutshell: disgusting and offensive. We don't need this kind of garbage littering the wiki. –Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 03:40, 28 June 2006 (BST)

  • Delete - disgusting --GageASS 04:34, 28 June 2006 (BST)
  • Delete - Why? Just Why? --Karlsbad 05:06, 28 June 2006 (BST)
  • Delete - Others may know that I have a pretty twisted sense of humour, and while I find this funny, there is no reason for something as inane for this to be a template. –Xoid STFU! 06:27, 28 June 2006 (BST)
  • Delete - What the hell? Looks like my classification of Undeadinator as a Yuk Yuk was more accurate than I could imagine. Cyberbob  Talk  06:41, 28 June 2006 (BST)~
  • Keep - It's part of my collection of templates. Sonny Corleone WTF 15:36, 1 July 2006 (BST) Kill - Changed my mind. Noy worth keeping. Sonny Corleone WTF 17:17, 1 July 2006 (BST)
    So subst it in and be done with it. –Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 17:06, 1 July 2006 (BST)
Moderater: Deleted. –Xoid STFU! 01:44, 18 July 2006 (BST)

the Armastrong Monument

This is a location page, but it is void of content. Can we delete this? --GageASS 04:44, 25 June 2006 (BST)

Usually we don't delete things like this. Sonny Corleone WTF 04:47, 25 June 2006 (BST)
  • Merge - As per Xoid. –Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 05:00, 25 June 2006 (BST) Keep - This could be expanded. –Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 04:52, 25 June 2006 (BST)
  • Merge - As per the location style guide. I'm already doing this with other Owsleybank monuments. May be a short while. –Xoid STFU! 04:55, 25 June 2006 (BST)

Moderator: Merged. –Xoid STFU! 03:35, 14 July 2006 (BST)

Template:Forbidden, Template:ForbiddenTwo and Template:ForbiddenThree

While I can understand the reasoning behind these, they would just serve to raise tensions. The whole concept of them is like a badge of shame - which makes them undesirable. IMHO, no amount of editing can change that. Cyberbob  Talk  11:55, 27 June 2006 (BST)

  • Delete - Agreed. –Xoid STFU! 12:01, 27 June 2006 (BST)
  • Keep - Users create tensions, not the templates. "Badge of shame"? Maybe, but that's not really different from warns being placed on users' talk pages. In all respect, it is exactly as questionable as users putting up notices of similar meaning on their own initiative, yet the latter is allowed. This template only attempts to organize that a litte bit more. Furthermore, it is not forced upon anyone. As I already said I have nothing against it being used with myself as the subject.--The Fifth Horseman 14:52, 27 June 2006 (BST)
    • Re: If you are referring to what I think you, pay attention: just because Cyberbob forget to subst in {{warning}} doesn't make it a badge of shame. Though there is the fact the warning was retracted and the message is now irrelevant, that is not the reason why the warning is not a badge of shame.

      The whole purpose of the {{warning}} template is so that a moderator who is really pissed off doesn't go and say something stupid — they just subst the template in, and they're done. The {{banneduser}} template is an informational template in the purest sense. You'll likely debate that point, to which I say: "Answering the same question (e.g. "WhereTF did so-and-so disappear to?") over and over gets old. Fast.". There is not an example you could name that is as directly confrontational as these are, or as questionable. Don't even try.

      Xoid STFU! 15:21, 27 June 2006 (BST)
  • Keep -I wish I had known about these templates sooner.--Labine50 MHG|MalTel 15:32, 27 June 2006 (BST)
    • Re: They were made today. What, did you want to know prior to their creation or something? Idiot. –Xoid STFU! 15:34, 27 June 2006 (BST)
      • RE: -Sounds like a fun game. Why don't we all play, "Call everyone with a differnt opinion than yourself an idiot"?--Labine50 MHG|MalTel 19:54, 27 June 2006 (BST)
        • RE: It must almost be as fun as that "provide nothing to the conversation" game. --Karlsbad 19:57, 27 June 2006 (BST)
        • Re - And nowhere near as fun as that "cover up my stupidity with off-topic spam" game. Cyberbob  Talk  20:00, 27 June 2006 (BST)
        • Re - Gee, I'd like to, but with the headstart you've built up on the Suggestions page, I'm afraid I'd just be too far behind. Also, the ol' "I'm not actually stupid because FUCK YOU" routine is not the masterpiece of misdirection you imagine it to be. --Jimbo Bob ASSU! 07:42, 29 June 2006 (BST)
  • Delete - I agree. –Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 17:01, 27 June 2006 (BST)
  • Keep - free speech --GageASS 19:19, 27 June 2006 (BST)
Note - view my user page, I have implemented this template to a (hopefully) funny affect--GageASS 20:02, 27 June 2006 (BST)
  • Delete - Just put up the drama llama and don't target and/or antagonize users. --Karlsbad 19:54, 27 June 2006 (BST)
  • Delete - Since it involves me...Canceling out Fifth's Vote --Anime Sucks 20:09, 27 June 2006 (BST)
  • Delete - Isn't this just another attempt by 5th to attempt to bait us into responding on his page, continue escalating tensions now that he is banned from communicating directly with us, and circumvent the essence of the arbitration? --Akule 00:43, 28 June 2006 (BST)
    • Re - That's the idea behind my reasoning. Cyberbob  Talk  06:10, 28 June 2006 (BST)
      • Re- In that case, isn't that a violation of the arbitration and should either result in a warning or some sort of sanctions? --Akule 19:32, 28 June 2006 (BST)
        • Re - You can try that if you want. I don't like your odds...but it is up to you how far you want to go. Cyberbob  Talk  19:53, 28 June 2006 (BST)
  • Keep - I think these can be of informational use. Say person a said something on person a's talk page about person b, and person c asked why person b didnt say something back. This template (if on the page) would let person c know why person b did not respond to person a's post. Confusing? I hope so. DarkStar2374383 Talk | LDY | LOE 06:38, 28 June 2006 (BST)
  • Delete - The point of Arbitration is (theoretically) to defuse tensions. Plastering giant "HA HA, YOU LOSE" stickers on the wiki would seem to be less than conducive to that. --Jimbo Bob ASSU! 07:42, 29 June 2006 (BST)
  • Delete - Fosters discontent. --Max Grivas JG,T,P! 23:05, 29 June 2006 (BST)

Moderator - Deleted. That felt pretty good. Cyberbob  Talk  06:10, 10 July 2006 (BST)


useless, nonsensical --GageASS 07:23, 27 June 2006 (BST)

  • Keep - Based upon Cyberbob's comment. –Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 17:12, 30 June 2006 (BST) Delete - I would vote Keep on the grounds that it could be expanded, but it looks like it hasn't had a real edit in quite some time, and doesn't look historically important. –Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 07:35, 27 June 2006 (BST)
  • Keep - The quest is still active. One of my alts, in fact, is working his way through it. Leave it alone, please. Cyberbob  Talk  11:56, 27 June 2006 (BST)
  • Keep - No way. But thanks for letting me know about it! --Niilomaan 14:35, 27 June 2006 (BST)

Moderator - Kept. Cyberbob  Talk  06:10, 10 July 2006 (BST)


Highly offensive, moderately funny, but doesn't make much sense. Worthless other than comedic value. --GageASS 06:10, 25 June 2006 (BST)

I take it you never got to see desensitised before it shut down? Well, Resens still has some of these filters, and some of the less offensive ones are implemented in the Urban Dead Wiki Forum. (I can't stand the 'word' "1337", and I reckon' "nigger" becoming "dapper young gent" is an amusing substition.) –Xoid STFU! 06:19, 25 June 2006 (BST)
  • Keep - Until someone from Resensitised comes to correct me, I reckon' this is still of value, simply to document their forum, but even if they've changed the filters completely it's definitely something of historical note. –Xoid STFU! 06:19, 25 June 2006 (BST)
  • Keep - As per Xoid. The word filters were definitely (notice something about my spelling of that word, Xoid? ;-)) a... unique part of the Dezzens experience, and said experience was for many people a major part of playing the game for a long time. --Jimbo Bob ASSU! 06:29, 25 June 2006 (BST)
    • It's a consistent spelling error on my part. 'Proven' was one of my older ones, but I've gotten over that. Managed to train myself to type 'maintenance' correctly as well. Probably some other ones I consistently spell incorrectly as well. Hey, nobody is perfect. –Xoid STFU! 07:10, 25 June 2006 (BST)
      • except for me (did I say that out loud?)--GageASS 07:59, 25 June 2006 (BST)
  • Keep - Ahh, I remember the good old days of Desensitized. ;) –Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 08:00, 25 June 2006 (BST)
  • Keep - Ah, I miss Desensitized. It was the only thing that kept me playing. - CthulhuFhtagn 08:48, 26 June 2006 (BST)
  • Keep - But no one should be forced to live without knowing that ERIC BAUMAN STEALS CONTENT. --Niilomaan 14:29, 27 June 2006 (BST)

Moderator - Kept. Cyberbob  Talk  06:10, 10 July 2006 (BST)


From speedeletions:
[Has no content and] Also something no-one wants. EVER. Cyberbob  Talk  19:30, 24 June 2006 (BST)

But they're allowed to want it, and this isn't offensive. I'm not sure it really needs deleting. I'll put it on Deletions.--'STER-Talk-ModP! 22:46, 24 June 2006 (BST)
  • Keep - If Mattiator wants to signify that he suffering from insanity, let him. (Although if no one else decides to use the template, it should be Subst:ed into Mattiator's user page, and the template deleted.) –Xoid STFU! 04:58, 25 June 2006 (BST)
  • Keep - Agreed -Koryr 14:01, 25 June 2006 (BST)
  • Merge - Subst-n-Whack --Max Grivas JG,T,P! 19:28, 4 July 2006 (BST)

Moderator - Kept. Cyberbob  Talk  06:10, 10 July 2006 (BST)

Story Backstory UDWiki:History History

Reason: Fan-fic being touted as canon? We already have the outbreak lexicon for that, thank you very much.

  • Delete - Die. Quickly. –Xoid STFU! 15:39, 24 June 2006 (BST)
    • Re: - What do you think about the argument i pose over in my vote? Can you reconsider the vote to at least a 'merge'? :)
      • Re: - Why keep an incomplete, PoS page around? Especially when it will need to be rewritten in it's entirety if it is "merged" with the Lexicon. –Xoid STFU! 15:08, 3 July 2006 (BST)
  • Delete - I think it's reasonable for this to be deleted, based on the page name ("Story" is far too generic). However, I think it would be reasonable if the content was merged into a new, more appropriately named article, and a notice that it's fan fiction was added. –Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 18:42, 24 June 2006 (BST)
    • Re: - I like many of your reasons that you put forward, however the changes I made would now render it nil. Some of the changes I made to ‘story’ are moving the page to ‘‘Backstory’’; another is the fan fiction notice. Despite the fact that the fan fiction notice is already in place before the change, I modified it to make it easy to see now. With these changes now in place, can you reconsider your vote to 'keep' or at least a ‘Merge’? I look forward to you comment. --Akimbomidget 16:15, 25 June 2006 (BST)
  • Keep - Just freaking rename it then, and honestly, who is against having one page that presents the story of Malton? -Koryr 19:09, 24 June 2006 (BST)
  • Delete - There are already numerous, far better-written articles on Malton's history than this, Koryr. We don't need another. Cyberbob  Talk  19:11, 24 June 2006 (BST)
  • Re: - Show me some so I can go write on those. -Koryr 01:03, 25 June 2006 (BST)
    • Re: - Don't you ever read your talk page? Look for Xoid's comment! Cyberbob  Talk  08:07, 25 June 2006 (BST)
      • Re: - Other than the Lexicon. -Koryr 13:48, 25 June 2006 (BST)
        • Re - There aren't any. You know why? BECAUSE WE HAVE THE LEXICON. Nothing else is needed or wanted. Cyberbob  Talk  13:50, 25 June 2006 (BST)
          • Re: - How do you know what is wanted by the vast majority? Maybe some people want to have a single page to read, instead of a hundred. -Koryr 13:58, 25 June 2006 (BST)
            • Re - If the *vast majority* wanted things like this, don't you think they would have already been created and accepted? People know where to find the backstory of Malton. Don't confuse them by adding more and more places where they need to look. Cyberbob  Talk  14:00, 25 June 2006 (BST)
              • Re: - I see your point, but I don't feel that anybody is being confused by this. If they are, they need a new brain. -Koryr 14:08, 25 June 2006 (BST)
                • Re - No. It's not the other users that need a new brain. It's you. Cyberbob  Talk  14:10, 25 June 2006 (BST)
                  • Re: - That's not nice. -Koryr 14:13, 25 June 2006 (BST)
                    • Re - Neither is the way you've been forcing me to argue about something as stupid as this. Cyberbob  Talk  14:16, 25 June 2006 (BST)
                      • Re: - I just wanted to know of a place, other than the Lexicon, where I can contribute to the backstory of Malton. If you don't know of any, please don't reply. -Koryr 14:19, 25 June 2006 (BST)
                        • Re - Hey, you asked me. If you don't like the answer you got, that's your problem. Cyberbob  Talk  14:20, 25 June 2006 (BST)
                          • Re: - At least I know that you love me. :P -Koryr 14:24, 25 June 2006 (BST)
  • Keep - It still has some merit to encourage people to participate in role-playing. However I do support merging over ‘delete’ if it cannot be kept. By the way it is not a canon, and it doesn't claim to be one. Akimbomidget
    • Re: "…not canon and doesn't claim to be…" It, being in the main namespace, will likely be taken by the lay user as the "official unofficial" story. On top of that, it may very well end up contradicting the lexicon (which has been around longer). If it is not going to contradict the lexicon, then it damn well should be merged into it. –Xoid STFU! 09:44, 25 June 2006 (BST)
      • Re: - *Points to the first vote* Well if that’s your points of view to merge this article, it would be very much advisable to change your vote to fit this current mindset. Also despite the age of the lexicon project, it doesn't really have any bearing to do with this backstory. This is because this wiki isn't a dictatorship; everyone for everyone can edit it. If there is a contradiction with the lexicon project or a journal or whatever, there is always the ability to make some corrections or engage in a civil discussion in the talk page above. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Akimbomidget (talkcontribs) no timestamp...
        • The whole point of the Lexicon is to write a tightly cohesive backstory. Since there is almost nothing done with this already, I don't see any pressing reason why a few generic statements that will undoubtedly need to be changed should be merged with anything. –Xoid STFU! 12:12, 25 June 2006 (BST)
          • While there isn’t a problem with a tightly cohesive backstory that is lexicon, I do feel that there is an absence of a back-story for Malton that gives the reader an overview of the role-playing scene. On thinking about it Backstory page are there to provide a bird's eye view, while Lexicon provides a down to the gritty battle on individual streets. There is absolutely no reason why this page (while sparse at the moment), cannot greatly assist the general populous of Malton on their general history. ;) --Akimbomidget 12:50, 25 June 2006 (BST) (I'm also thinking that a general timeline would also increase its usefulness, what do you think)
  • Delete-I dislike it, plain and simple. I do have a wonder...Where is the Lexicon page? Someone might have deleted it, and it needs to be restored.--ShadowScope 14:57, 25 June 2006 (BST)
    • Re: -I encourage you to rethink your vote on the Backstory page to at least a merge, since this wiki is really would do well to have a backstory that present an overview of the UD roleplaying scene of Malton. Thanks for your understanding.--Akimbomidget 15:18, 25 June 2006 (BST)
      • Re:-Said overview of the backstory is already being writen by 'STER, as a summary of the events in the Lexicon. I'll prefer that backstory rather than yours. It seems you are trying to get your view out in the public without doing anything. Plus...want a really short overview? Click on www.urbandead.com and look on the left side at the green box. Backstory right there.--ShadowScope 16:22, 25 June 2006 (BST)
        • Re: - The lexicon page is at UDWiki:Lexicon | continued ---> It may seem that i am trying to impose my view, however this is a wiki, so it would be quite difficult as others can edit it as well. However if that is consider so, then instead of deleting this page, a vote to merge this page to 'STER's page would be the way. After his entire page would benefit quite well with in correct redirect. By the way what page from 'STER are you referring to? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Akimbomidget (talkcontribs) .
          • Re:-'STER's page hasn't been written it. It will be once the Lexicon is complete. Wait until then, and wait for the compliation. It is already well-written and added in with the help of many others. It does seem as if you are trying to impose your views, as you basically introduced it by adding in the word "story" in the Template, and thinking of sending it over to Kevan. You haven't got anything. Still, I'll wait for 'STER. If 'STER votes for a Merge, then I'll change my vote. --ShadowScope 16:42, 25 June 2006 (BST)
          • Re:- Your point has been accepted, check below. If it does not belong, then just drag it to here. --Akimbomidget 17:04, 25 June 2006 (BST)
  • Move - To a User or Journal namespace. This shouldn't be in the default namespace. – Nubis NWO 20:12, 26 June 2006 (BST)
    • Re:- This page has been move to the relevent area "History". Thinking over the aruguments in this page, can you reconsider your vote to a keep?--Akimbomidget 12:07, 1 July 2006 (BST)
      • Re: - That is still in the main namespace. –Xoid STFU! 15:08, 3 July 2006 (BST)
  • Request to pause the deadline not too sure about the legality of this but if so, this is a request to pause the deadline and request 'STER opinion on this matter (To merge or not to merge). I feel that since lexicon is still under development and is separate from the rest of the role-playing scene, it would be ok to keep this page running as. Instead of deleting it, let this poor page live till the lexicon is finished. After that we can try and merge the two works together. A blank page is no way to encourage new players to role-play; possibly this page can encourage new member to join the lexicon project as I categorized it as well.--Akimbomidget 17:04, 25 June 2006 (BST)
    • Request Denied - You can't get an answer from 'STER in two weeks? Cyberbob  Talk  05:21, 26 June 2006 (BST)

DONT DELETE IT -I'll write a story of UrbanDead in that site, when was finished, I want that the players with for or against the implementation of the story. UD is a free play, and Wiki is a free encyclopedia; please, give me that chance. Nobody losses. --Paranoyko

Um...? Why should we give your opinion greater weight than the opinions of the other voters? If it gets voted to be deleted, out it goes. Cyberbob  Talk  20:18, 26 June 2006 (BST)
And sign properly. There's no User:Paranoyko. I changed the link for you. --Brizth mod T W! 20:23, 26 June 2006 (BST)
  • Keep- It looks good, but missing stuff, if we do keep it, and i hope we do. Someone should add more stuff to it. Like how and why the lotting began, How did Dunell Hills Police Department start kicking ass, The Early Battles with the Council of Leaders, The Many, and the DARIS. Go Beyond Just the First day. Try telling the whole History of this city. --Ltpotter 9:33, 30 June 2006
    • Re: - Please learn how to sign correctly. By simply using ~~~~ you get the correct timestamp, date, etc. Also: the "backstory" as it is now, isn't focused on telling Malton's history, it's focusing on explaining what happened to cause the zombie outbreak, etc. (Someone correct me if I'm wrong here.) –Xoid STFU! 08:33, 1 July 2006 (BST)
      • Re: - So how about shifting it to "History" "UDWIKI:History"(edit:Now that should be right!) ? (i'll do it!)(And anyway, both of you have a good point)--Akimbomidget 10:55, 1 July 2006 (BST)
        • Re: Malton Chronicles seems to be something in that vein, but it's really recent and I haven't bothered giving it more than a cursory glance. If it is in that vein, how about moving what is salvagable from backstory to there, and letting what's left get nuked?

          Also, the project namespace is meant to be for things about the wiki itself, (i.e. it's where the moderation pages should've gone, where policies go, etc.) so I'd have to say that moving it to UDWiki:History is not a good idea.

          Xoid STFU! 11:00, 1 July 2006 (BST)
          • Re: Right then! So the page is now off to "History". The Malton Chronicles appears to be a blood vessel instead of a vein, since it is a collection of stories like the lexicon (hence one of them needs to get nuked). This "history" page is a vein as it is a single page that highlights major events (something that would be invaluable to newbies), it is however not a collection chronicles or whatever. Hence this page should stay.--Akimbomidget 11:14, 1 July 2006 (BST)
            • Another FUCKING redirect? C'mon. Give it up, this is becoming seriously tiresome. –Xoid STFU! 11:18, 1 July 2006 (BST)
              • Don't worry i think "History" is a good name, so it would not likely to get moved.--Akimbomidget 11:31, 1 July 2006 (BST) (p.s. It's quite a traveler isn't it? eh?)


4x Delete
3x Keep <--- added another one, it was from(Paranoyko) "DONT DELETE IT" vote (he might be new, so we could just let it go :)! )--Akimbomidget 11:31, 1 July 2006 (BST) No. It's an invalid vote. Cyberbob  Talk  13:57, 1 July 2006 (BST)
1x Move

Xoid STFU! 11:18, 1 July 2006 (BST)

Damm... This page is going to hell fast... :( --Akimbomidget 14:49, 1 July 2006 (BST)

Oh and another thing to add, if in the end it get a delete. Please shift it to User:Akimbomidget/graveyard/History, thanks--Akimbomidget 15:28, 1 July 2006 (BST)

You can do it yourself, you lazy sod. Cyberbob  Talk  16:35, 1 July 2006 (BST)

Moderator - Deleted. Oh, that felt good. Cyberbob  Talk  06:10, 10 July 2006 (BST)

Malton Water and Sewer and Lucifer corleone

User put it there instead of his user page. Sonny Corleone WTF 02:08, 21 June 2006 (BST)

This should have been handled by moving the pages to be subpages of the author, issuing the author a {{Subst:Crit9warning}}, and then nominating the pages for deletion under criterion 9. –Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 02:24, 21 June 2006 (BST)
  • Keep - I fixed it. -Koryr 19:10, 24 June 2006 (BST)
  • Delete - No you didn't. Cyberbob  Talk  19:13, 24 June 2006 (BST)
  • Re: - Yes I did, I deleted all the crap he put on the water and sewer page, and replaced it with some history. What's the problem? -Koryr 19:16, 24 June 2006 (BST)
  • Delete - The page and the two links here are of little RP value. Also sewer suggestions have not done well so its relevance is not likely to increase with time. --Max Grivas JG,T,P! 22:59, 29 June 2006 (BST)

Moderator - Deleted. Cyberbob  Talk  06:10, 10 July 2006 (BST)


Sexypixels is further instigating this current bout of wiki drama. I assume they became involved when The Fifth Horseman mentioned to Sexypixels that Akule modified their image. It's just one more thing that doesn't need to be around. --Ahote 00:58, 21 June 2006 (BST)

  • Keep I am (at this time) allowed to keep my "F The Abandoned" picture, and even though this picture is insulting my group I am doing the same to them, and It should not be one-way. DarkStar2374383 Talk | LDY | LOE 02:59, 21 June 2006 (BST)
    • Re: - Just because you happen to believe that since we allow a picture that you don't like it means we will hold your hand when you put on this turd-pile onto the wiki and pat you on the back when you whine that it is "the same, honest, be mean to them too!" doesn't make us want to become your grade-school teacher. Grow the fuck up. --Karlsbad 07:39, 27 June 2006 (BST) Pardon me, I've been caught not reading. --Karlsbad 07:42, 27 June 2006 (BST)
  • Delete - The FTA picture only expresses an opinion. This is far more insulting and degrading than that. Cyberbob  Talk  09:44, 21 June 2006 (BST)
  • Delete - No matter how he was infuriated, Sexypixels should not have lowered himself to doing that. --The Fifth Horseman 15:36, 21 June 2006 (BST)
  • Delete - Wikidrama is boring. --AlanSharkey 15:02, 22 June 2006 (BST)
  • Delete - Lame. -Koryr 19:12, 24 June 2006 (BST)
  • It's Gay - Really. Anyone who uses "gay" as an insult should be shot. –Xoid STFU! 05:01, 25 June 2006 (BST)
    • Re: - You just did, LOL! -Koryr 14:02, 25 June 2006 (BST)
      • Re: - No shit, Sherlock. It's called "irony", try looking it up in the dictionary sometime. –Xoid STFU! 16:16, 25 June 2006 (BST)
  • Keep The only way that something like this could be taken as insulting or degrading is if someone sees themselves as being superior to homosexuals and has a personal dislike for the color used. With that said you have my vote at keep. I just don't see how this or anything like it could really be taken as being insulting or degrading and to suggest so is indicative of personal biases be it with the one who has it or someone who wants it removed. In either case the problem is not with the picture but with the way you interpret it. MetGreDKo 03:38, 26 June 2006 (BST)
    • It isn't an interpretation issue when you have the intent to insult, asshat. Pink is not a homosexual color, it is rather a feminine color and is used to associate the idea of Gay-ness with a lack of manhood or machismo. It is impossible to say that you are using it in a way that can be interpreted differently when the idea of Pink as Gay is not something supported by Queer Culture at large. The picture is using the idea of gay-ness and the subsequent lack your interpretation of manly behavior as an insult, and therefore it should be eliminanted from the wiki. --Karlsbad 07:39, 27 June 2006 (BST)
      • It is an interpretation issue even when the intent is one of "insulting" another it's simply that both parties have this misperception where being something or just being called it is some how harmful when it really isn't. As per pink being a feminine color, it only has that social connotation because it's generally a soft color and it doesn't fit in with the "dark" (badass) male stereotype which is so commonly what people try to get themselves looked at as being. How is it really so insulting to be called something and said to have that color around you? Does that color really make you any less of a man? Does it somehow change a 'Y' chromosome into an 'X'? Does someone calling you something make you into it? The answer to all of it is a simple no. If someone tries to insult me it just goes to show that the person is ignorant and merely needs to educate themselves as to the fact that from a general perspective there is no greater than or less than. No better or worse when it comes to things of the kind. I would be all for punishing the individual with it for attempting to cause trouble and anyone else who may have contributed to a build up of emotions to such a point however the picture in itself is nothing, it's a non-issue. If hostilities stay at images then so be it. Let them parade around their ignorance; it only reflects poorly on them. The only possible way that it might be considered insulting by someone is if they're insecure and if that's what we judge things on then I'm sure we can pick several dozen things not even involved in "wikidrama" to remove in order to continue playing to peoples sensitivities. --MetGreDKo 01:11, 28 June 2006 (BST)
        • The idea of Homosexuality as being Other than Manly is harmful. It seperates human beings from eachother and ghetto-izes people who are as just a part of the human condition as any other. You can't argue "general perspective" when we are all internet-using english-speaking educated citizens. Continuing to perpetuate a stereotype ingrained in that said culture isn't harmful in that it insults the person you are using it against; rather it is the conotation that all members who read it understand. It isn't something we have to have on this wiki; the wiki does not have to include something just because some want to insult others with it.
          Yes, that color does make you less than a man. Pick up an issue of The Advocate and then a Picture of Cosmo. How many times do you see pale pastel pinks and blues in the Cosmo? How about The Advocate? It is obvious that we all understand that pink means women; meanwhile, The Advocate (from what I am reading) does not use these colors any more than it uses bright colors that are closer to Neon than to Matte Pastels. Calling someone Gay, and THEN using Pink to represent them is an insult; you- the insulter- deny them as men.
          Yet somehow you understand this yet you have this wacky idea that we have to let you do it. Using insults does not change a person, however the wiki isn't here to contain insults, especially ones as insulting as those. We don't have to let anything "reflect poorly" on the people that use it. Instead we delete it. Like so. --Karlsbad 03:11, 28 June 2006 (BST)
          • You are claiming that the social connotation of pink being girly makes it that. This is flat out wrong because a social connotation is nothing but something we see it as representing due to what ever we may perceive. It is something extra, something more then what it is. Pink is but a color which doesn’t get absorbed or is light stretched (or constricted) to such a degree as to make it look this certain way. How does this make it a girly thing? The only way anyone perpetuates any stereotype is by sticking with this social connotation as if it is a fact that pink means girly. Didn’t you have a relatively well known rapper named Cameron wearing pink? I’ve seen guys wearing pink suits and such.

            I don’t care much what the media puts into magazines because what they do is largely just to make money. If guys don’t want to see these so called “girly�? colors in their magazines then it won’t be put there because that’s what sells. We are brought up through various different influences to see things as masculine or feminine but in truth they aren’t unless you can provide proof or just significant empirical evidence that there are two genders for that particular thing which reproduce together and one fertilizes the other. Until you can do anything of the kind I’ll continue to say that things such as color are gender neutral.

            Personally while I don’t have any pink clothes if someone gets me some then I’ll wear it if it matches with my stuff (work dress codes, bleh). Likewise I’ll put pink in my user page just the same if it will prove the point that the color pink does not change who or what I am. I’ll have an XY combination before doing so and I’ll have that XY combination after doing so. The only way you can challenge such a thing is to provide evidence or proof of the empirical kind which says that it changes people to have XX combinations and to support it provide the same kind of evidence for those colors which mean men otherwise you’ll just end up drowning.

            My entire point however is that insults do not really exist. Let us get down to the root of it. If I call someone ignorant they take offense and get angry at it. They see it as insulting or personally demeaning for another to point out that they haven’t all the information in the world. This isn’t insulting but is the truth. Perhaps one day thousands of years ago it was possible to have much of the information our species had about the way in which the world operates but not any more. Now you have people needing to specialize in areas within general fields such as history and science. For a better example you have people calling each other assholes. What’s so terrible about that? Everyone has one, everyone needs one. Everyone says something that is discomforting to another at some point in their life and everyone will eventually spout nonsense. Whether people find these traits attractive or not isn’t fixed. It varies from person to person and with experience.

            I recall someone getting angry with me because they said I was “stoic, logical and unapologetic�? as if there is anything really terrible about it. For the fact that people have different definitions for the same symbol says that no word is really insulting and for the fact that not everyone sees the same idea as being insulting says that no idea is. We hurt ourselves; we bring ourselves down and covering it up by deleting stuff won’t change this. The only thing that will change it is facing the issue head on and coming to the realizations as I’ve stated them in my comments here, though perhaps with a bit more clarity and refinement.

            At the end of all this, your saying “the idea of Homosexuality as being Other than Manly is harmful�? puts to the side lesbianism and so now you’re doing to women what you don’t want to do to men. It seems to me to be a bit hypocritical if you’re using the term in general but if you instead mean male homosexuals then okay. I’d only question what it means to be “manly�? for as you by now already know I simply define a man as having an XY combination and so the “manly�? bit really doesn’t exist as anything but a social construct, just like this whole issue about genders owning specific colors.

            As per the reflecting poorly on them, I was speaking from my own view which like anyone else’s isn’t a fact by any means (Moral relativity). In truth it doesn’t really say anything of the kind but is effectively neutral. --MetGreDKo 03:16, 29 June 2006 (BST)
  • Keep Either that or delete the "F The Abandoned" picture too. Deras 06:25, 26 June 2006 (BST)
My point exactly, and umm, I dont want that deleted. DarkStar2374383 Talk | LDY | LOE 02:05, 27 June 2006 (BST)
  • Delete and P.S. To whom it may concern; Fuck You. --Karlsbad 07:39, 27 June 2006 (BST)
  • Delete - This picture does not show an opinion (such as Fuck he Abandoned picture), but is more of a personal attack against a group, while insinuating that being gay is bad. If he changed it to "The Neon Knights are gay", then I would have no problem. --Akule 01:30, 28 June 2006 (BST)
Moderator: Deleted. --Karlsbad 02:06, 5 July 2006 (BST)

Keane_Quest_1,Keane_Quest_1.2 & Keane_Quest_1.3

I've been tidying up the Upper Left Corner and I have merged all these 3 pages into one called Keane Quest so those 3 are no longer required. Pillsy 14:26, 3 July 2006 (BST)

  • Speedy Delete - Criterion 1. –Xoid STFU! 14:58, 3 July 2006 (BST)
  • Speedy Delete - Criterion 1. –Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 07:57, 4 July 2006 (BST)
  • Speedy Delete - Criterion 1. --Max Grivas JG,T,P! 10:53, 4 July 2006 (BST)
Moderator: Done. –Xoid STFU! 10:57, 4 July 2006 (BST)


If there ever was a useless template, this is it. It's almost easier to code the thing from scratch that use this monstrosity. The fact that it just plain sucks and is unsuitable for usage by the general populace earns it's death warrant, IMO.

Speedily Deleted – Nubis NWO 14:40, 3 July 2006 (BST)