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Threat5 seems too brown to fit the gradation. It could just be me though. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 04:35, 10 April 2010 (BST)
Threat5 seems too brown to fit the gradation. It could just be me though. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 04:35, 10 April 2010 (BST)
:Yeah, it kinda looked that way to me as well, but it was just a weird illusion thing. At the time, I had run the math, and those colors were perfectly gradated. Anyway, new colors now. I incorporated some golds, as per your idea, and I really think it helped. Not sure if it's enough, but it's a start. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 06:53, 10 April 2010 (BST)
:Yeah, it kinda looked that way to me as well, but it was just a weird illusion thing. At the time, I had run the math, and those colors were perfectly gradated. Anyway, new colors now. I incorporated some golds, as per your idea, and I really think it helped. Not sure if it's enough, but it's a start. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 06:53, 10 April 2010 (BST)

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UD Better Name Colorer

Haven't had a chance to try it out yet in-game, but nevertheless it has had an effect on the world in which I browse. Specifically, it makes all of the links in the wiki a rather light blue of colour. This all happened on a Wednesday, in Chrome. User:Pyxzer/sig 22:44, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, Chrome does that. The problem is that Chrome doesn't respect the code in the script that tells it which sites the script should or should not work with (I'm hoping they'll fix the issue, since it seems like a trivial thing to fix that'd make scripting a LOAD better). I've rigged up a version of the script that plays a bit more nicely with Chrome here, but haven't tested it thoroughly yet, so consider it beta. It also doesn't colorize quite as many things as the normal version of the colorer does, but it should still work on the important ones, I believe. Let me know how it works for you. Aichon 23:23, 5 January 2010 (UTC)


Kevan's email?

Hey, thanks for your response on my question about donating and the IP limit. Now, I'd like to email Kevan about this but, and I find this hard to believe myself, I can not seem to locate his email address... not for a lack of trying. Is it even posted publicly? --Draig Ravenstorm 03:38, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Try his main site. --Bob Boberton TF / DW Littlemudkipsig.gif 03:49, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, it's posted in his CV on his main site, or it should have been mentioned in your PayPal transaction at some point I believe. If you don't want to look through it though, it's <his name>@<his name>.org. Replace the "<his name>" with "kevan", of course. :) Aichon 06:35, 7 January 2010 (UTC)


Help....!

Hey Aichon, im sort of lost with the whole idea. Ive followed your instructions but still find myself ait overwhelmed. I know i shouldnt Copy and Paste it but how else would i do it? Brukhalien --Osric Stormwall 08:57, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

I'll fix up the Recruitment page for you if you can get Grey Swords/Recruit looking good. Gimme one sec and I'll see what I can do for you, that way you can see how it's supposed to look. ;) Aichon 08:59, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
Looks like this is all wrapped up. Misanthropy did the heavy lifting for me. Aichon 09:08, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for all the help, both of you. Id have been cast into the abyss I hadn't of recieved any help! --Osric Stormwall 09:10, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

No problem! Very glad to be of service. I'll have to figure out how to make those instructions clearer, since you're not the only one who's bumped into that issue. Aichon 09:12, 11 January 2010 (UTC)


Hey you

I keep calling you Ross by mistake. I think it's been like three times now. So, uh, sowwy. :(
If I do it and don't correct myself, remind me I owe you one (1) internet of your choice. Nothing to be done! 09:09, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, but I already downloaded it. No, seriously. I did. Follow the links from here for evidence. In the meantime, I'd settle for less edit conflicts. :P Aichon 09:13, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
I can't promise anything but I'll see what I can do. Tongue.gif Nothing to be done! 09:20, 11 January 2010 (UTC)


Aha

Linking to A/DE will see A/DE getting quite long. Should there be some subpage to archive these or is it going to be a monthly archive like A/VB? If so that'll need to be created. I'll link to A/DE now cause it's getting late. :( Nothing to be done! 01:36, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

I'd imagine it'd be an A/VB-esque archive, where you just include the current month's archive into A/DE, but that hasn't been done yet. I'd fix it myself, but I'm not quite able to. For now, CYA and link to A/DE, and the link can always be changed later. Aichon 01:42, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
CYA? Nothing to be done! 02:01, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
Cover your ass. :P Aichon 01:45, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
I can't make any promises. I like to flaunt. Nothing to be done! 02:01, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
Yes. Well... Aichon 03:10, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
And it is a nice bottom at that.-- ¯\(°_o)/¯ 09:35, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
For something that won't be used often, it normally wouldn't have monthly archives, but because the links have to be permanently accessible before and after archives, we'll need to do it the A/VB way. However, having an archive with maybe two or three entries is stupid; how about archiving in quarter-yearly archives? -- 10:45, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
Not sure if you're asking for my input or not, but quarterly sounds reasonable to me. After all, if we just take some ballpark estimations and say that half the cases on A/VB are ruled Vandalism and that half of those people will come back later and request a de-escalation, then you'd have just 1/4 as many de-escalations as cases on A/VB, so archiving it about 1/4 as often makes sense. Quarterly ends up being 1/3 as often, so that's close enough. You might even be able to stretch it out six months. Aichon 10:54, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, everyone's input would be most helpful. I wouldn't like six months because it means by the end of it there are 6 months worth of a/de entries on one archive page... It may clog up big time... -- 11:21, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
Well, going quarterly for now makes sense. If push comes to shove and there are more requests than you expect, it should be trivial to switch to a monthly archive anyway. You can basically just treat the first quarter as an experiment to see how many requests actually come in, then make a final decision at the end of the quarter. Aichon 12:24, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
Great Idea. I'll make a note on the talk page. -- 12:55, 16 January 2010 (UTC)


GSM2010

What are the plans with this? Wasn't it meant to have started by now? --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 13:53, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Well, it was supposed to be staging at this point, I believe, but I wasn't exactly the driving force behind it all, just a participant. Aichon 14:02, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
Wiki forces will get around to it before the end of the month, I should imagine. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 15:50, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
As above. I've been bogged down with some RL stuff this last week, culminating in a funeral today. If one isn't already created by the middle of next week, I'll create an official page and we'll get things rolling. --Maverick Talk - OBR Praise Knowledge! 404 08:28, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
Sounds good. I'm absolutely swamped IRL at the moment, and am no position to head up something right now. Aichon 17:44, 22 January 2010 (UTC)


Let's Roll Some Heads!

At one point or another you expressed interest in helping with the latest Great Suburb Group Massacre. The official page has been made, complete with instructions. Go get 'em! --Maverick Talk - OBR Praise Knowledge! 404 08:19, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

P.S. - We'll need you to change the link in the template to link to the actual page now that it's up. You're awesome! --Maverick Talk - OBR Praise Knowledge! 404 08:35, 26 January 2010 (UTC)


How do!

Hi Aichon. Yep, my main character's in MOB so I update the map whenever I can. I have an alt in Judgewood Vector Control (Doctor Parrot) so that's the SoC connection. Chief Seagull talk 09:58, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Ok, that makes sense then. It just seemed like I was bumping into you in more and more places, so I figured it was high-time to say hello and figure out who this individual was. Did you just start playing the game late last year, or have you been around for awhile? Aichon 14:34, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
Nah, I'm a latecomer - 19th September to be exact. Chief Seagull talk 14:41, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
Sweet! Another newbie, like myself. Always fun to find others that are new to the game as well. Well, since I've already bumped into you with my zombie and survivor, we just need to get you a PKer that bumps into mine, and we'll have the trifecta. And if you have a Dual Nature character laying around that wants to have fun with another one, I'd be game for that too, though my DN tends to just roam alone. Aichon 01:35, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
Righty-ho, I'll just add those characters into my contacts lists and see if I run into them. My UD profiles are on my userpage. My DN's in Milltown right now and he's had a busy day - he's been zombified and revved in the space of a few hours. Chief Seagull talk 15:12, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
That’s a shame...my DN was down in Miltown just two days ago, but has since headed back north since she was looking to do some good while she's alive. Might need to head back down your way... Aichon 19:58, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
My DN's chilling in Joachim Mall stocking up on ammo. I'll probably head up NE afterwards - it's too quiet in this corner of town. Chief Seagull talk 10:58, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

So nice of your zombie to say hello :) Chief Seagull talk 10:22, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Well, I just couldn't resist. Plus, you've been a MAJOR help on the Locator recently. I just haven't had as much time for it these last few weeks, so when I saw you, I was like "?! :D", if that makes any sense. Aichon 17:50, 19 February 2010 (UTC)


From RSoM

Can't say I like it either. CITIZEN VI 03:43, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Just now saw this over there. Yeah...definitely not a fan of the new color scheme, so this seemed like the easiest approach. Aichon 08:30, 3 March 2010 (UTC)


From Demo6

Aichon, this is hella sexy. O_O CITIZEN VI 03:46, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! I gotta admit, I had kinda forgotten about that page since I've been so busy recently. When I saw that "Demo6" had a comment from you, I was like, "which demo is that one again?" And now I know why you were looking for me in IRC. I was actually near my computer, but was working on some other stuff, so I wasn't responding to the pings I was getting for a few hours there.
Anyway, it ended up being a chance for me to fool around with rounded corners and shadows to see what I could do in an hour or two, since I hadn't done anything extensively with them before. It was a bit of a test case, and I like some things about it but don't like others. It'll probably serve as a point of reference for future designs I decide to go with later, but I won't be using it as it is now, since it doesn't sit right with me for some reason. I'm certainly no artist, and it definitely shows in work like that. I am a code monkey though, which also shows... Aichon 08:39, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Actually, the reason I was looking for you on IRC is that I want to implement your brilliant PK template as soon as possible, but before doing that I want to discuss a few changes I had in mind for aesthetic or other reasons. CITIZEN VI 17:01, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Oh, well then...OFF TO IRC! Aichon 20:37, 2 February 2010 (UTC)


Wiki Guru Wanted

Let's say I have two templates, A and B. Both have three variables. Is there a way to have Template A call in the same variable that has been entered for Template B? I swear there is, but my brain isn't working right now. --Maverick Talk - OBR Praise Knowledge! 404 13:39, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm not quite following, I'm afraid, so I'll try to cover all the bases. If template A is included in template B, then I don't see how it can be done, since the variables would be "invisible" to (i.e. worked into the content of template B) template A by the time it saw B. If template B is including template A, then it should be possible (e.g. example). If neither is included in the other, then I don't see how it can be done easily. Hit me up on IRC sometime and we can discuss the specifics of your case to see what may or may not be possible, since it's a bit hard to work in the theoretical like this without a solid example of what you're trying to achieve. Aichon 21:18, 7 February 2010 (UTC)


Example District Page

Okay, so here is our example page already in the main namespace. Less work than I thought, although it is far from aesthetically pleasing. Had to create Template:District for the sidebar and will have to make a minimap for each district, but otherwise it pretty much handles itself. I also created a page for the district barricade plan linked right to the page, and that's pretty much good to go aside from coding up a boilerplate template for that and adding a variable to the suburb boilerplate to link to the district one. Thoughts? --Maverick Talk - OBR Praise Knowledge! 404 12:03, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, the TRPs are definitely an issue, as you said on the page. As for general thoughts, I think I'd suggest borrowing a bit more from the suburbs and changing or adding a few things. A few quick examples:
  • The "X's location in Malton" minimap on the right side of the suburb page would be nice for districts, but would have to be modified to work.
  • The EMR and Mast Status boxes need some aesthetic work, since they're not all the same size and are more difficult to read than the suburb ones. I'd suggest pulling them out of boxes like you have them on the district page, and instead make them resemble the suburb ones more (you also need the header for the EMRs and the Edit EMR links). Also, the suburb name should be near each of those, since otherwise there's no way to tell which correspond to which unless you have them memorized.
  • I'd borrow the "Key Buildings in X" from the suburb page. It could probably replace the TRP list, even.
I'll take another look at it later, but those are the things that pop out to me at the moment. Aichon 18:32, 19 February 2010 (UTC)


Midianian's UD Map Links Script

Hi there. I was going to ask Midianian, but it seems you're in charge of his scripts for now, so I thought I should ask you instead. Anyway, his UD Map Links Script had a link to the RedRum map which, unfortunately, doesn't seem to be working any longer. I edited the script to link to the CDF map instead, but wanted to get your okay before posting it to the External Links page. If you'd like to check out the script, you can find it here. Please let me know if it's okay and if you don't mind me putting it on the wiki. Thanks! --Lucy Daniels 03:58, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

:D I have no issues with you posting something you've worked on or edited at all! The more people we have scripting up userscripts, the better it is in my book, plus, that script is released under the GPL, so you can modify and release it as you want. I've definitely been dragging my heels on updating that script, even though I've known it's been in need of an update for about a month now, so the fact that someone finally took it upon themselves doesn't surprise me one bit.
Anyway, when I just tried out your script, it didn't seem to do anything for me in GreaseKit with Safari, which is somewhat unusual. It looks like you might have edited an earlier version of the script, since the latest version I had from Midianian was 1.3, not 1.2, which might explain why it didn't work, since his 1.3 update added compatibility for some of the other browsers, such as the one I use. Since the fix is pretty straightforward, I did go ahead and update my version of the script (which was based on Midianian's 1.3 and had a tweak or two that made it play nice with other userscripts), which you can find here.
I don't want to discourage you in the least with this, so I would definitely encourage you to post your version of the script (or any other edits or modifications of the scripts I have here, for that matter) so that you can get your name out there and can start tweaking it to meet your needs. In this case though, I hope you won't mind if I simply update my version of the script since it already does some other stuff. Again, I don't want to step on your toes, but your comment kinda gave me the kick in the butt I needed to update my version. Aichon 04:20, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


Looking Good

Just wanted to say your userpage looks awesome. Great design and all that. For some strange reason it also makes me think of Assassins Creed. --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 21:49, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! And I can see why you'd think that, since the colors do kinda match the costume and advertising design with AC2, from what I've seen (the colors were actually more meant to be an homage to my alma mater). Truth be told though, I actually developed most of this design about a year or two ago for a blog I have, but I never used it with that blog and left the design only half-finished. When I was looking for ideas for a new look and feel here, I glanced through old designs I had for various things, saw this half-finished one, and figured I'd tweak it to work here. I definitely like the way it came out, though I'm still tinkering a bit. Aichon 22:01, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
Yeh for sure. Fucking sweet ass userpage design. You and ddr are such minimalists. It kinda makes me sick but it also kinda makes me happy. Good luck with your sysop bid!--GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 09:30, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
Sick? Because it's so good or because it's so little? And thanks! Guess I finally get to have that vouch from you. :P Aichon 20:24, 9 March 2010 (UTC)


Thanks, I can only worry so much about Judas

Fallout 1 and 2 were fundamental in establishing and fortifying my appreciation of RPGs, I hope you enjoy them. Let me know what you think once you get into 'em. I haven't touched the new one, my 360 and a TV were fed to my guns after a summer of sloth.

I just need to play around with how and what I can do with the wiki a bit before I'll have any specific questions for you, it's been a while since I've done(attempted)anything resembling coding. I've just been cuttin', pastin' and fiddlin'. I screwed around with a signature for a bit this evening and I'm pretty sure there's alot of superfluous stuff going on in there... Thanks for the response, and putting your time into this whole UD thing! Have fun Sysopping! --MikhailI don't have to be careful, I've got a gun.Kalashnikov разговор 06:32, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

I took a look at your signature, since it seemed to be slightly broken (e.g. the timestamps weren't showing up on the same line as the signature itself). I went ahead and cleaned up your code a bit, and also fixed a few things that weren't quite correct here. I'm not sure what you were trying to do with the code that was "EVIL?", so I cut it out, but otherwise it should basically be the same as before. If you like the changes, you can copy it over to your signature, and if there are things that need tweaking, let me know and I can modify it a bit. Aichon 20:16, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
Thanks again, I'm starting to learn, that signature I had was a cut and paste hack-job. I just need to put some time in. Take it easy. MikhailI don't have to be careful, I've got a gun.Kalashnikov разговор02:18, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Most of this wiki is a cut and paste hack-job... Tongue :P Nothing to be done! 02:20, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Ironically, it was your signature, Mis, that was copy/pasted, from what I saw. And no problem, Mikhail. Let me know if you run into any problems with it, and I'll be happy to lend a hand, but I hope that the new code is a bit simpler to modify whenever you feel a need to change it. Aichon 02:28, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
And mine started life as a bastardised version of VI's. Also, you. You code nice. You seem to have good aesthetics. DG nao. pwease. Nothing to be done! 02:33, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Hmm, not sure what help you're looking for at DG. I see a few spelling errors and the like (e.g. "in to" should be "in order to"; "eidt" should be "edit", etc.).
I also notice that you mention -moz-border-radius, but that only works with Firefox, and not with Chrome or Safari, since the two of them use -webkit-border-radius, and neither -moz- or -webkit- is future proof, since the web standard is just border-radius, and will be used at some point in the future by all of the browsers. In order to get around the problem, I developed a template that automatically spits out all three versions. To use it, you'd just say {{xbrowsercss|border-radius: 5px}} and it would spit out border-radius: 5px; -webkit-border-radius: 5px; -moz-border-radius: 5px; automatically. It works great for shadows and a few other CSS3 elements that are like this as well.
There are also quite a few ways you can simplify it to the end-user. For instance, I have a map that I used to track my movements around the city (part of its code is designed specifically for use on my PK characters), and if you check its use on my Characters page, you'll see that it doesn't require much code at all to use. It could also be trivially changed in order to allow things such as widths and additional colors be added in. While having them build a map that is similar to the MOBLocator isn't a bad thing by any means, it does mean a lot more code that they're exposed to, which can confuse a lot of people, even after all the simplification you've already offered. That said, I'm not sure of too many ways to improve it, and I see your guide offering value already. Aichon 03:08, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
The browser-specific thing I did not know. I'll have to sit and fix that. And that map of yours is very nice, but I like the 100+ lines of code, as it gives a way of pinpointing patterns a bit easier (for things like malls over two rows), plus the editing of individual squares easily. Basically what I need to know most is "is this useful?" and "what else do I need?". But thanks for the corners thing, I'd never have known that otherwise. Nothing to be done! 03:16, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Regarding my map, it's only a hair over 100 lines (though the lines are VERY long :P). What I meant to illustrate with it though, was that you could make a versatile template that would allow for pretty much any type of use. In my case, the way I actually use it means that I need to use very little code, since I've hidden away all the hard parts in that template itself.
I'd say it's definitely useful to wikinewbs and people that are uncomfortable setting up their own maps, which is to say, most people. It gives them a place to start and a framework to build on, which is definitely nice. It might not be a bad idea to provide them with a "library" (in the programming sense) of templates that they can use in various places. You could categorize the templates into things such as building styles or colors, giving them a quick companion reference for finding out what they should type in if they want one square to look like a fire station or a fire department, without having to go to the bother of figuring it out themselves. A link to the help section over tables might not hurt either, since it'd give them additional info over the syntax of what they're doing. Aichon 03:24, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
I'm on it. Cheers, buddy. Nothing to be done! 03:30, 10 March 2010 (UTC)


Permission

Hello Aichon. I'm relatively new to this website, in the sense of owning in account on it. However, while browsing the community discussion boards, I saw a message you posted and upon checking your user page out, I fell in love with your page setup. I've been having...difficulties setting up a respectable layout for my own user page so I was wondering if I could "paraphrase" the layout of your user page? It wouldn't be a word-for-word copy, the majority of the text would be different, the templates would be different, my own info would be used, and I'll be using the colors that the university I currently go to employs.

I just wanted to ask your permission to use the basis of your user page layout, before I went and copypasta'd it into my own. I greatly respect all you've done for this website, on Urban Dead, as well as in the real world. I just like to be polite and courteous to people I respect on the internet, after all, they too are real people with real personalities and minds.

Thanks for your time and I look forward to reading your reply. --TheBardofAwesome 06:55, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

I've seen you around the wiki already, since you've been posting on a few people's talk pages who I watch on a daily basis. :)
As for the request...how to put it? I had typed up this massively long reply, but I've tried to cut it back quite a bit. First, technically speaking, you are (almost always) permitted to borrow anything you want from anyone on the wiki, and no one can stop you from doing that normally. Second, personally speaking, this design of mine is less than a week old, so I'm still very emotionally attached to it, given the amount of work that went into conceptualizing it. Third, for technological reasons I'll discuss in a sec, I think it would be best if you tried to make your own design and merely copied bits from mine, rather than trying to duplicate a large portion of it.
To be clear, I'm okay with you borrowing from my design, but I would like to offer a few ideas for what I would consider to be "cool" or "uncool" when you borrow, but again, I can't stop you from copying it wholesale if you suddenly got the urge to do so.
  1. The big one is that I'd like there to be enough of a difference so that when someone views our pages, they have no moment of confusion for whose they are looking at.
  2. I'd really prefer that your text be all original, but if you can point me to some specific text that you think is useful to you, I'm game for discussing it.
  3. I was going for the big name at the top to be a signature item of my userspace. If you borrow that element, could you make it look different (maybe a script font)?
As for the rest, change it around a bit so that it doesn't feel like my userpsace and I should be cool with it. Changing the color scheme, especially some of the grays, around would go a long way to making it feel less like me and more like you.
As for that technological issue I mentioned, I'm not sure if you're aware of just how many templates I actually use on my pages, and I'm not talking about those obvious ones on my main page. For instance, the thing with my name at the top is a template, as are the guideline box and archive box at the top of this page, a lot of the links I use and the maps I have around. All of those are in my namespace, not the public space, and I change them regularly to meet my changing needs. If you just copy/pasted my code, you'd include my templates too, which would likely break your pages later when I change them. To get around it, you'd have to copy all of my personal templates and create pages for all of them as well, and then you'd need to edit them to make them match the look and feel of your userspace. To give you an idea of just how many pages and templates you'd be dealing with, check here.
So, again, I'm okay with you borrowing from my design, so long as you stick to the three things I said earlier, but I also wanted to make sure you were clear about the technical hurdles involved (copy/pasting won't be sufficient to duplicate my design safely). If you want, I'd be happy to consult with you and help you adapt my design or elements of my design to your own userspace. Aichon 09:53, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Alright, thanks for the reply. I intend for it to look a lot different. All the text will be replaced with my own, the color scheme will be different, I will probably end up deleting things that I don't need like the box for the computer specs, changing the right column template info, getting rid of unnecessary things, etc. I will do my best to make sure that it isn't a direct copypaste from your page.
If I have any questions or problems, I will consult you as well as the other gerus around here. Other than that, thanks for your permission and I promise that I will do my best to make sure you aren't cheated out of your work.
I wanted to add that chances are, I will probably end up discarding the layout and instead hone my html skills so I can create a layout of my own. --TheBardofAwesome 14:25, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Well, just to say it, I'm sure you won't try to do me wrong, otherwise you wouldn't have been the type of person to ask me as politely as you asked. Anyway, I'm curious to see how it goes for you, so definitely poke in here as you make progress, and if you need help with it, don't hesitate to ask. Aichon 16:13, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
I completely understand and I will post any questions should they arise. --TheBardofAwesome 02:15, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
I wanted to ask you if you'd mind me using the layout for your character pages? Again, I'm not going to copy it entirely, the text will be entirely different, different templates, different color scheme, etc. I just wanted to make sure you are ok with this before use it. --TheBardofAwesome 19:53, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
It's pretty much the same layout as everything else around here. I had figured I had given you had permission already. :P Aichon 21:34, 14 March 2010 (UTC)


Sup, Sop?

Promotion eh? Well done sir. This may be vaguely helpful. Help:The_NOT_so_secret_diary_of_a_sysop --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 11:21, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Mucho gracias. I was about five minutes away from searching for it since I knew I needed to read through it again. Aichon 11:25, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
I really should rewrite it, as I know most of the answers anyway now. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 11:32, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, it'd be useful. The red exclamation marks were the first new thing I noticed, and I still don't quite get them. It'd also be useful if it covered some of the sysop perks that aren't really mentioned in guidelines much (such as when we can use the buttons to do things in our own userspace that would otherwise need to have gone through the admin pages first had they been any other page). Anyway, I'm sure I'll figure it all out, but I'll probably be hitting up the first sysop I see on IRC with some questions. Aichon 11:38, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
Speaking of IRC, any idea who I talk to in order to get made an op in #urbandeadwiki? Aichon 11:44, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
Pass. I'm off the firm belief that all my wiki discussion should be done on the wiki. I did discuss one case wity Karek once, but thats about it. As for the red exclamation marks they pop up on many things, basically any new page or edit to a page that isnt a user editting their own namespace or any sysop edit is "Flagged" as potential vandalism that needs to be checked. I barely notice them anyway. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 11:53, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, the trouble I was having with them was understanding their handling in actual practice, as opposed to what they meant. I.e. do we actually use them here for their intended purpose? From what I've seen, it appears that the answer is "no". Is that correct? Anyway, off to bed...played Demon's Souls way too late and then discovered the promotion right as I was heading to hit the sack. Aichon 12:02, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
They're quite good for newb sops, but after a while you get a feel. You realise that a red user name is most likely to commit vandalism, and that if Player X is editing page Y its going to cause nothing but drama. I hate the welcome template and would much rather write welcome messages to those noobs who look like they might well be newbs. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 12:04, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
Speaking of which, I could have a bit to add onto that article for both lols and bureaucrat POV. -- 12:07, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
Main namespace. Go mad. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 12:08, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Well done on your promotion mate! Chief Seagull squawk don't mess with the Seagull! 11:30, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! Aichon 11:38, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Am I too late to party? I brought wines. Nothing to be done! 15:52, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

I came back to this yay. I'll go get some party. -- Rahrah wants you all to speak to him. 16:06, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
D'aww, guys. You know me. I like to keep it low-key. Aichon 19:00, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
Aichon for crat!--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 19:07, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
Shhh! Keep your voice down and head over to DDR's talk. ;) Aichon 19:19, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
Congratulations man! --Jesant13 00:39, 29 March 2010 (BST)

I'm also late, but congrats on getting sysop. This wiki could always use more helpful users. Linkthewindow  Talk  07:25, 2 April 2010 (BST)

That it could, but I fail to see the connection to my promotion... :P Aichon 07:37, 2 April 2010 (BST)
Replace "users" with "sysops" :P. Linkthewindow  Talk  13:40, 2 April 2010 (BST)

Belated woo. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 18:06, 5 April 2010 (BST)



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Thanks!

I heard you were one of the main designers of the circle format coding. It turned out great! Thanks! --TheBardofAwesome 02:40, 29 March 2010 (BST)

Well, to be clear, I wrote the code that Misanthropy is using to make it possible to click on an image like that, but he's the one that applied my code to make the circle. Actually, that brings up another point: he's using a template that's in my Sandbox still, since we haven't put it into main space yet. We'll probably need to do that before you can actually use your new circle. :P Aichon 03:10, 29 March 2010 (BST)


Someone killed the wiki map

It said you have become the sysop on the man page so I thought I should tell this to you, I don't really know what to tell you other then "someone killed the wiki map." You have to see this for yourself; I hope my reporting this helps in it getting fixed, sorry if I sent this to the wrong person.--Truezombieboy 05:00, 1 April 2010 (BST)

You talked to one of the right people, and thanks for letting me know. I've fixed it. It was someone's April Fool's Day prank. Aichon 07:23, 1 April 2010 (BST)


Two Pence

Pulled from the User talk:Aichon/Threat Suburbs Aichon 06:53, 10 April 2010 (BST)
Threat5 seems too brown to fit the gradation. It could just be me though. Nothing to be done! 04:35, 10 April 2010 (BST)

Yeah, it kinda looked that way to me as well, but it was just a weird illusion thing. At the time, I had run the math, and those colors were perfectly gradated. Anyway, new colors now. I incorporated some golds, as per your idea, and I really think it helped. Not sure if it's enough, but it's a start. Aichon 06:53, 10 April 2010 (BST)


UD Map Links

Hi Aichon. Now that the Red Rum map seems to be on permanent hiatus (as reflected in your 1.3 update to your UD Map Links GS script) I've found myself using Sophie's DSS Red Zone map as a replacement. I modified your 1.3 script so that it offers a wiki map link and an DSS map link (in place of the CDF map) and wanted to see if you'd grant your permission for me to publish it here on the wiki as an alternative. Would that be OK with you? -- M arcusF ilby T 04:19, 11 April 2010 (BST)

By all means, feel free to do so. The code for that particular script is released under the GPL anyway, so you're free to modify it as much as you want, so long as you release it afterwards. Besides, I took over work on that script for someone else, so it was hardly mine to begin with. I've just made a few slight modifications to keep it working and whatnot. Aichon 04:31, 11 April 2010 (BST)
Awesome, thanks. I saw the GPL bit but wasn't sure when I saw the copyrights in the comments. Cheers! - M arcusF ilby T 06:28, 11 April 2010 (BST)


Here

Ipad.jpg An iPad, and it's for you!
Iscariot has given Aichon an iPad so he can get started on takeover plans!

-- To know the face of God is to know madness....Praise knowledge! Mischief! Mayhem! The Rogues Gallery!. <== DDR Approved Editor 07:38, 11 April 2010 (BST)

Wow. Just wow. Words cannot accurately convey the feeling of gratitude I am feeling right now, since you said you'd have to sell your kidneys to get me one of those. That you value my half-assed (and never going to happen) attempts at taking over UDWiki more than your own vital organs...that says a lot to me. I'll cherish this forever. Aichon 08:02, 11 April 2010 (BST)


I've made a...

...recruitment ad for my group. To save us all some time, is there anything wrong with it?--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 00:46, 12 April 2010 (BST)

For one, the font's black on a black field. Nothing to be done! 00:46, 12 April 2010 (BST)
It's green but for some reason it isn't working.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 00:49, 12 April 2010 (BST)
The timestamp needs to be in the table, and the linebreaks between tables need to be fixed up, but otherwise I wouldn't have any issues with it myself. I'd just put the timestamp in the recruit template itself so that it turns green. Should work. Aichon 00:51, 12 April 2010 (BST)
Can you see the font?--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 00:52, 12 April 2010 (BST)
I fixed your font but I may have removed the timestamp. Nothing to be done! 00:54, 12 April 2010 (BST)
But templates are forbiddaan!!!--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 00:55, 12 April 2010 (BST)
Shit, right you are. Hold on. Nothing to be done! 00:57, 12 April 2010 (BST)
I fixed it. Yonnua's last version was fine anyway. :P Aichon 00:58, 12 April 2010 (BST)
Thanks. I need to leave now. My home planet is in danger.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 00:58, 12 April 2010 (BST)
It is now green. Nothing to be done! 01:02, 12 April 2010 (BST)
It wasn't green for you when using the font tag? Odd. Well, I prefer spans anyway. Aichon 01:08, 12 April 2010 (BST)
Nope, it was black. Also, Yon, if it was me, I'd differentiate the links somehow (I tend to underline them), and possibly center the timestamp. But that's just me. Nothing to be done! 01:11, 12 April 2010 (BST)
Yeah, I agree with Mis. While technically it works now, stylistically there are still issues. The links definitely need to look different somehow (I'd suggest a lighter shade of green or underlined). Aichon 01:18, 12 April 2010 (BST)
You mean does all the text show up? Yes, for me it does. If you're using a fancy font though, then no, it just looks like the standard font to me, but I don't see that you have any code to change what the font is, so I assume you meant the former, not the latter. Aichon 00:54, 12 April 2010 (BST)
I meant does it appear at all. :P --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 00:55, 12 April 2010 (BST)
Looked like it appeared to me in your last version. Mis' version with the templates actually lost a period. Aichon 00:58, 12 April 2010 (BST)


Re: Cookies

Cookie.jpg A FREE COOKIE
Mis has given Acorn a cookie for some kind of sorcery

Nothing to be done! 21:13, 12 April 2010 (BST)

I'll treasure them always. On the main page of my user space, of course. Aichon 21:21, 12 April 2010 (BST)


Forcing images to the right?

I have an image, under a level two header that I want forced to the right without displacing any of the text... but I can't make it come out right... do you know how I could make it work? -Poodle of DoomM! Fear is only as deep as the mind will allow it be.T 03:34, 15 April 2010 (BST)

[[Image:filename.png|##px|right]] should make it work (replace ## with the required width). You may need to force a line break (use <br/>) to keep the image from being on the same line as the text, but that should force it to the right. Nothing to be done! 03:53, 15 April 2010 (BST)
Awesome,... it worked for me... thanks! -Poodle of DoomM! Fear is only as deep as the mind will allow it be.T 03:56, 15 April 2010 (BST)
Yep, that works. The alternative is to wrap it in a div with float:right as a CSS property, which will cause the text to wrap around the image, or you could wrap it in a div with display:inline and text-align:right, which I think should bump it to the right side, though it will also likely wrap text. If you want the text to clear out so that it's under the image, then the clear:right or clear:both property would be needed, but I'd have to fool around with it myself to tell you which you'd need to use. Anyway, glad to see Mis was able to help you quickly. Aichon 05:47, 15 April 2010 (BST)
Makes a change. Tongue :P Nothing to be done! 05:51, 15 April 2010 (BST)



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Recruit

How's that, I tried to adjust it by adding "height:800px;" to the coding,... though I'm not sure it's changed a whole lot.... Let me know what you think now. -Poodle of DoomM! Fear is only as deep as the mind will allow it be.T 04:46, 18 April 2010 (BST)

Still too tall. Here are some ways you can cut it down in height:
  1. Cut text out of the ad itself
  2. Shrink text or image sizes
  3. Make it wider
Take a look at the RRF's ad. It comes in at just under 800px. You need to get yours to be about as tall as theirs at the very most. Right now, yours is about twice theirs in height. Good luck! ;) Aichon 04:59, 18 April 2010 (BST)
You know what,... I have to question this really... it says that the 800px height is only a rough guidline... do I really need to be changing this? -Poodle of DoomM! Fear is only as deep as the mind will allow it be.T 05:18, 18 April 2010 (BST)
I'd personally say yes, but you are correct that it is currently just a guideline. I'm asking you to do it, not ordering, since I consider it common courtesy to follow the guidelines and not have an ad that's significantly taller than everyone else's. That said, the wording for that is being changed in the next version of the instructions, which will likely be posted up very soon (they're written up, but we've been lazy posting them), making it a requirement, rather than a guideline. So once those are up, you'd have to change it anyway, and they'll go up any day or time now, pretty much whenever Mis or I get around to it. If you'd prefer not to change it in the meantime, you probably won't get in any trouble, and I certainly have no intention of pursuing it further. Again, I'm just asking you to do it, not ordering. Aichon 07:07, 18 April 2010 (BST)
Don't get me wrong,... I haven't taken offense at anything you said, or requested of me. But still... I just got it to where everyone in the group approves of it... including me. Now it should be changed... Good Grief. I'll work on it when the rules change. -Poodle of DoomM! Fear is only as deep as the mind will allow it be.T 15:17, 18 April 2010 (BST)


Restricting Template Usage

Hi Aichon, thank you for your offer regarding Template:DEMnavbar. If it is possible to prevent unauthorized pages from using it, we would very much like to put such a restriction into place. We would certainly be grateful for any tips you could offer. Thanks again, G F J 10:09, 20 April 2010 (BST)

Complete waste of his time, as I'll just show them how to put the raw code on their pages. -- To know the face of God is to know madness....Praise knowledge! Mischief! Mayhem! The Rogues Gallery!. <== DDR Approved Editor 10:32, 20 April 2010 (BST)
Indeed, it would be possible for them to do that. Of course, if changes were ever made to the template, they'd have to make the changes themselves as well, rather than being able to benefit automatically, so it does create an extra barrier to using the template. And I wouldn't say it's a complete waste, since it's an interesting idea to pursue. Aichon 18:50, 20 April 2010 (BST)
Basically, the gist of how you do it revolves around the use of the if equal template. That template checks to see if two things are equal, and if they are, it produces one response, while if they aren't, it produces a different response. If you're familiar with programming at all, it'd be like an if statement that is limited to testing equality (e.g. ==) and can't test anything else. We can use the BASEPAGENAME "magic word" against a list of known, accepted places where the template could be used, and if the BASEPAGENAME doesn't match one of them, produce a response accordingly. Therein also lies the problem, since it means that you need to provide code for every single location where it would be acceptable to display the template (you wouldn't have to do it for EVERY page, but you would have to do it for every group of pages, such as Malton Police Department, Department of Emergency Management, or any subpages of those pages that also themselves have subpages). In the end, I don't really think it's going to be feasible, and I'll show you why. The logic for it would look something like this:
{{if equal|{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Department of Emergency Management|YOUR ENTIRE TEMPLATE CODE GOES HERE|
{{if equal|{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Malton Police Department|YOUR ENTIRE TEMPLATE CODE GOES HERE|
{{if equal|{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Malton Fire Department|YOUR ENTIRE TEMPLATE CODE GOES HERE|SOME MESSAGE TO THE TEMPLATE THIEVES GOES HERE}}}}}}
As you can see in this example, it'd mean duplicating the existing code a number of times (three times in this example, but far more in reality). I'd have to check how big the current template is, but depending on its size, it may mean that the template would get large enough that it would literally break itself (the wiki starts breaking templates after they exceed a certain number of bytes). Also, keep in mind that the example I gave here is just the start. You'd have to do it for subpages as well if those subpages had subpages of their own (e.g. if MPD had a subpage for Members, which was then broken down by more subgroups, you'd need code for the Members page, but not for the subgroups' pages, unless those subgroups also had subpages of their own). There might be a way around it, but once I realized that you guys were using the template not just on the DEM organization pages, but also on all of the member groups' pages and others as well, I realized that it'd be a stretch. If I can think of ways around it, I'll let you know, but aside from cutting back on the places you allow the template to be used, I can't think of anything immediately, and I wouldn't consider that an acceptable solution to the problem. Aichon 18:50, 20 April 2010 (BST)
That's very interesting. Thank you for the detailed explanations! To avoid the problem of the template size, what we could do is create several templates instead of one, with each only used for a couple of template inclusions and not the whole list. To avoid duplicate content in the template namespace, such templates should then be DEM subpages (and added to pages with {{:name}} of course), this should prevent them from cluttering up template categories or any other part of the wiki. Of course, the disadvantage is that when the template is updated it would take a little longer, but as updates to Template:DEMnavbar are not too frequent, it would be manageable. The current count lists 42 pages as including the template, but some of these are incorrect inclusions anyway and a nice number are subpages of template-using pages and thus wouldn't have to be specially listed, so I do believe that 2-4 template copies would be sufficient, though of course I haven't tried it out yet. Using that number of templates instead of one shouldn't be a problem, and since they'd be DEM subpages, the potential problem of "spamming" the template namespace wouldn't exist. Either way, thank you once again for your reply, as soon as time permits I will definitely try this out. G F J 18:36, 21 April 2010 (BST)
As one additional heads up, tables in templates that are then included in other templates tend to be finicky. In order to have the best shot at success, I'd suggest numbering/naming each variable you use. E.g:
{{if equal|1={{BASEPAGENAME}}|2=Department of Emergency Management|3=YOUR ENTIRE TEMPLATE CODE GOES HERE|4=SOME MESSAGE TO THE TEMPLATE THIEVES GOES HERE}}
That will clear up a lot of issues. You might also have to use the {{!}} template in place of using | in some places. It can get a bit hairy if not done right, but it should be doable. Aichon 19:07, 21 April 2010 (BST)
Thank you, once again. In case you're interested, I've solved it a little different now: After looking at the code of the if equal template, I created a modified copy at User:G F J/IfAny. In short, instead of having each allowed page have it's own template code, a list of allowed pages is now using a single copy of the code. In other words, it's a kind of "if equals any" template. It works seamlessly with Template:DEMnavbar regardless of how many allowed inclusions there are. Well, if other editors are interested in using the "if equals any" template as well, I could move it out of my user space and put it up as a regular if template with some documentation - I'm wondering whether that would make sense or whether the scenario for using the template is too special to make it worthwhile? Regards, G F J 20:53, 22 April 2010 (BST)
Yeah, I'd move it to the public template space. I've already had a few occasions when I could have used something like that, but had to resort to the method I specified earlier, and the logic for your template looks solid, without being overly complicated. Even if I don't have a use at the moment, I'm sure I'll think of one later. :) Aichon 23:48, 22 April 2010 (BST)
Alright, it's in the public namespace now :-) G F J 18:52, 24 April 2010 (BST)


Settling it once and for all

If you came here to reply to my post of the same name on your talk page, please head to User talk:Aichon/Other/Iscariot's Vandal Data instead. This is a big enough topic that I'd rather it was kept to its own page, rather than filling up my main talk page. Aichon 01:29, 21 April 2010 (BST)



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Misconbritration!!!!

You just posted on my main user page! :O:O:O:O:O:O --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 23:06, 21 April 2010 (BST)

Yes, well...you can't prove anythi...oh...well...it didn't hurt anyone. And stop having a user page that looks kinda like your talk page. It confuzzles me! Aichon 23:08, 21 April 2010 (BST)
You stop having a userpage which only works in firefox. :P --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 23:08, 21 April 2010 (BST)
I'll have you know that it actually doesn't fully work in Firefox. You need either Chrome or Safari to see all of the stuff I have on the page (I just added a gradient to the big "Aichon" at the top, but it only works in WebKit-based browsers since I didn't feel like making it work for Firefox too). :P But yeah...I never even bothered checking how it looks in IE. For all I know, it's completely broken and all over the place. Aichon 23:13, 21 April 2010 (BST)
The Aichon at the top is split in half by two white blocks, there are numerous grey line breaks cutting across it and the top bit has tons of foreign characters and symbols. The bottom bit's brilliant though. ;) --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 23:18, 21 April 2010 (BST)
What browser/version are you using? I just loaded it up in Firefox, and aside from losing the gradient at the top (and on my sig), everything still looks the same. IE looks horrible, as expected, but not as bad as I would have thought. It just loses everything fancy and places the big Aichon over the links that are to the left of it. Aichon 23:24, 21 April 2010 (BST)
Image:Auchion.png.Mis-spelt name was semi-intentional.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 07
25, 22 April 2010 (BST)
So that's IE8 (or is it IE7? I have trouble remembering the differences between them. And, yeah, it's broken in IE. Was it always doing the "choppy choppy" thing, or is that new as of the last day or so? Anyway, it's downright pitiful how little IE actually supports in terms of web technologies from the last, oh, decade. It looks like any attempt at using colors that are semi-transparent (i.e. rgba colors) results in them not having any transparency at all, all of the rounded corners are gone (that's to be expected though), it's positioning of a lot of elements is completely incorrect (like, SERIOUSLY wrong...there is NO excuse for this on their part), and all sorts of other things are just off (e.g. font rendering, font choice, etc.). One day, I'm sure Microsoft will fix those bugs. And that's exactly what they are: bugs. IE is so broken it's not even funny. It's no wonder there are rumors that Microsoft is working on a new browser from the ground up.
I'm hopeful IE9 will solve some of those problems. In the meantime, I cannot stress how much I would encourage you to get a different browser. Any browser. Chrome is my personal pick when I'm on a PC, but Firefox is solid, and Safari isn't bad either (Safari is my choice on Macs, but it just feels so out of place on Windows). On the PC, Chrome and Firefox will both allow you to install userscripts as well, which means you could finally use the userscripts I have! Wouldn't that be fun? At the very least, pop this page open in one of those browsers and take a look at what it actually looks like when it's rendered by a non-broken browser. And seriously...wow, just wow. People wonder why I hate IE so much. It's reasons like this. I'm not using any bleeding edge technology here...this has all been in these other browsers for the last few years. In the case of the stuff being positioned incorrectly, IE has had that bug for 10-15 years now and still hasn't fixed it, so I finally gave up caring. Aichon 08:01, 22 April 2010 (BST)
I'm not using the most recent IE, but I don't know which I am using. Although I might be using the latest. I have no idea. This isn't my computer. My computer doesn't have adobe, and can only view youtube in Chinese. That said, I still get javascript errors, they're just in chinese. Also, I'm not changing browser. And it's always done the choppy choppy thing since you put that bit on there. :P --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 08:06, 22 April 2010 (BST)
If you'd like to know what it looks like in a modern browser check here. Take note of the rounded corners on elements, the shadow under the Characters box, the embossing of the About Me section (as well as the embossing of the words "About Me" and "Characters"), the gradient on the big "Aichon" at the top, the correct positioning of everything according to the rules for the way the web is supposed to work, the correct colors and transparencies for things like the pronunciation of my name and the name of the page you're on, the correct application of backgrounds for the flagbox template, the use of the correct font and font rendering, etc. If you're missing all of that from my page, imagine what you're missing on other pages? Firefox doesn't get the gradient (I'll fix that later with a line of code), but it does everything else. Aichon 08:17, 22 April 2010 (BST)
So yeah, any idea why anyone would ever want this to happen?--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 23
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Not a clue, honestly. And it does some odd things with your signature as well, I see. Not entirely sure why that is, though I suppose I could look into it if I felt so inclined. Looks like it goes until it hits a colon (or maybe another semi-colon?). Go figure. Aichon 23:13, 21 April 2010 (BST)
So it could be a far easier way to bold?;--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 23
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No, it's just useless.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 23:18, 21 April 2010 (BST)
What about this?
Huh...kinda odd. Maybe it's for quotations? Aichon 23:20, 21 April 2010 (BST)

Just so you know, I'm taking this as an implicit agreement that you'll allow any edits on my part to your user page in the future. ;P Aichon 23:16, 21 April 2010 (BST)

Maybe.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 23:18, 21 April 2010 (BST)

Oh... My... God... Just viewing UDwiki in Safari for the first time. Massive wow.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 17:16, 11 May 2010 (BST)

Even though I'm an Apple fanboy, when I'm on Windows, I prefer Chrome. Safari is better for some things, sure, but it just feels out of place on Windows, if you ask me (and it's way slower on Windows than on the Mac too!). But yeah, big difference, eh? I bet you didn't even realize half of the things that were outright broken in IE until you saw how they were supposed to look. :P Aichon 00:19, 12 May 2010 (BST)


Yes

You are an idiot. Just thought I'd confirm that for you.--Big Cat 00:30, 22 April 2010 (BST)

For more reasons than one, I am. Always humbling (and valuable) to have external confirmation of such things though. Thanks! Aichon 03:07, 22 April 2010 (BST)


Script Issues

I am currently using your UDICOS Script (which is awesome, by the way), and have noticed that my axe and toolbox have disappeared from my inventory list, my brother also says his spray cans are also gone. the two weapons I mentioned still appear in the attack drop-down list, my brother can still graffiti, and repairs can still be made, but it is disheartening to look and see stuff missing. Deactivating the script makes the missing items reappear, but leaves my inventory unsorted, and my weapons uncombined, please fix this issue as soon as you can.
tl;dr version: Items I definitely have are missing from the inventory list, please fix asap.
Thankyou. Lucifer210 08:20, 26 April 2010 (BST)

Actually, I'm afraid that that's intended behavior, not a bug. Since those buttons in your inventory, as well as several others, don't actually do anything (at least from what I've seen) other than potentially waste AP, I've removed them. It keeps the screen tidier and removes the possibility of accidentally clicking them. You can still tell what you have in your inventory by checking what actions are available, as you pointed out (e.g. you can still repair buildings, graffiti, or select different weapons), or you can check the list of items you can drop, which would also show you what you have. Alternatively, UDICOS isn't actually my script (I'm just tending to it while Midianian isn't around), and the original version of the script didn't have this particular "feature" in it. You might consider using Midianian's original version of the script. It hasn't been updated in awhile, but as far as I can recall, it's not broken and should still work. Aichon 09:10, 26 April 2010 (BST)
Thankyou for clearing that up, I have just installed Midianian's script, and it looks okay. --Lucifer210 09:16, 26 April 2010 (BST)
Excellent. If it breaks at some point, let me know and I'll see if I can patch up something specially for you to use. Anything that breaks his script should break my version as well, so it shouldn't be too hard, I'd imagine. ;) Aichon 09:44, 26 April 2010 (BST)


Broken Links

I have found that every suburb has a broken link ie http://redrum.soul-fantasy.net/map.php?suburb=1 the redrum map has been down for months now and these may need to get removed. Links are found in the suburb information box at the top.--Dirty 08:31, 27 April 2010 (BST)

slowpoke.jpg I would have fixed these up by now but I don't come here anymore =[ and no one else seems to want to do them. -- 08:33, 27 April 2010 (BST)
Oh yeah, I was gonna fix those up and then forgot to after that conversation died down. Rooster just left IRC too...would've been nice if he could've botted it. Well, I'll see what I can do quickly. Aichon 08:42, 27 April 2010 (BST)
Okay, just did a quick fix that I think might do the trick. I'm gonna check through all 100 suburbs to be sure it worked, but I tentatively think that I fixed the situation. Aichon 08:46, 27 April 2010 (BST)
Nix that. It's broken for suburbs with multiple words. I'll see what I can do... Aichon 08:50, 27 April 2010 (BST)
And fixed and checked. All suburbs should be working now. Aichon 08:55, 27 April 2010 (BST)
Don't get a speeding ticket :D--Dirty 09:05, 27 April 2010 (BST)


Status

Hi,

I saw in the vandal banning of The_Colonel page that the MOB (you are probably a member of the MOB?) has a way of determinating where everyone is an what's the status of every building etc. Since my own administration was not 100% correct when the NSU destroyed the infrastructure in Krinks, I wonder if you could tell me more about this. Greetings, Cornholioo 15:07, 1 May 2010 (BST)

As I stated before Aichon was right, I made an error in judgment however cornholioo is you keep this up, I may bring you to A/VB for making also accusations about the status of Krinks Power station as per the precedent that Rosslessness set here. I quote for the record "Vandalism Baseless accusations, false information -- Rosslessness." I suppose one could find it not vandalism on your case, but it doesn't stop me from bringing it forward none the less. Oh and for the record the proof that your claim is false is sitting on my talk page. -- Emot-argh.gif 18:48, 1 May 2010 (BST)
Agreeing with what The Colonel says, if you're posting false information as fact, especially for the danger reports, it is considered to be vandalism. Especially in cases like this where things are being contested, posting false information is likely to get you in trouble. Aichon 23:23, 1 May 2010 (BST)
Yep, I'm a member of MOB, and Militant Order of Barhah/Locator is the page you're looking for. It's one of the most edited pages on the wiki since we have several people in MOB maintaining it on a regular basis, posting live updates as we clear out suburbs. It's not always up-to-the-minute accurate, but it gives us a very good overview of how much destruction we've wrought and just what is left. Aichon 23:23, 1 May 2010 (BST)
Thanks. Oh, and lit and ruined, does that mean pinata? And then lit is just EHB I guess? --Cornholioo 13:51, 3 May 2010 (BST)
Lit and ruined means that the building is ruined but the generator is still running and needs to be destroyed. We don't piñata buildings, since that requires engaging in trans-mortal tactics (i.e. you have to be alive when you enter the building, die inside of it to become a zombie, and then ruin it, and the MOB does not use any tactics that require being alive). As for lit, it just means that the generator is running, and since generators are anti-Barhah, they must be destroyed. We post the barricade statuses separately as we scout (they show up on the map just how you see things like revive points or entry points, except we label it with EHB, VSB, etc.), if we have the time and the desire to know what they are. We don't always get around to putting them up though, since we tend to ruin buildings as quickly as our group gets to them. Aichon 14:30, 3 May 2010 (BST)
Ok ty. --Cornholioo 16:00, 3 May 2010 (BST)


Thanks

Thanks for fixing the image on The Wraiths' Recruitment Page. It was my first time uploading an image to a Wiki, and I must've screwed up the coding somehow. I'd appreciate it if you let me know what I did wrong so I can do it right to begin with the next time around.Pinata 03:17, 2 May 2010 (BST)

Sure thing. As for what I changed, you had everything right, except that you had the full URL, when you only should have provided part of it. If you check the change I made, the text on the left side was what I removed from your code to make it work. Let me know if you run into anything else that I may be able to help out with. Aichon 03:29, 2 May 2010 (BST)


Location history

Don't we have a place we typically archive history for locations? I noticed this, but I haven't found we're he's archived it yet.... -Poodle of DoomM! Fear is only as deep as the mind will allow it be.T 14:48, 3 May 2010 (BST)

here.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 14:51, 3 May 2010 (BST)
^^^^ What he said. For locations, they either have their own archive or no archive at all. For suburbs, we do, of course, have archives for each of them. Aichon 15:05, 3 May 2010 (BST)
I see..... thanks guys! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Poodle of doom (talkcontribs) at an unknown time.
Thanks for adding the signiture.... I apologize for forgetting.... -Poodle of DoomM! Fear is only as deep as the mind will allow it be.T 15:48, 3 May 2010 (BST)
No prob. You're welcome to remove that template on my talk page and replace it with a legit signature in the future, if you want. ;) Aichon 16:29, 3 May 2010 (BST)
No,... I've got a thing against it. It makes the time stamps out of sequence... which I don't really like. -Poodle of DoomM! Fear is only as deep as the mind will allow it be.T 18:30, 3 May 2010 (BST)
You can always backdate it. :P Aichon 18:31, 3 May 2010 (BST)


Ha

I was there, like, a year ago! I'm trying to organise a minor revolution, so I may see you soon. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 21:09, 3 May 2010 (BST)

That almost sounds like a threat, but I'm guessing you mean it otherwise. Anyway, I'd love to hear about revolutions and the like, since I'm still newish to the game (only been playing two weeks). Aichon 21:28, 3 May 2010 (BST)
Knowing full good and well that I'm about to kick in the door, and barge in, guns blazing on this,... I'll still beg your pardon.... what game? -Poodle of DoomM! Fear is only as deep as the mind will allow it be.T 21:49, 3 May 2010 (BST)


Crit 5

I looked through the A/D/S archives, and I couldn't find a vote. I certainly see no reason not to have one.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 16:07, 4 May 2010 (BST)

Yeah, I glanced through there and some of the other discussion and policy archives to see if it ever came up, but I couldn't find mention of it. I know at least a few of the sysops have complained about Crit 5 being a nuisance since it's not scheduled though. I'll probably write up a policy at some point, but there's no rush. Aichon 19:08, 4 May 2010 (BST)
We talked about it on IRC a couple times this time last year, but nothing came of it, boxy and link wouldn't support me putting it up :*( But seriously, why not? They always just get deleted anyway, and it fits in line with deleting the dead redirects etc. associated with a deleted page. -- 00:30, 5 May 2010 (BST)
I can imagine a few ways that it can be abused, but any abuse should be able to be disproved easily enough by merely linking in the former deletion case. And in matters where the page and its talk page are recreated later for valid reasons, it's a simple Undelete to fix it anyway, so the worst case I can imagine is neglect or abuse, both of which are able to be handled easily enough. Aichon 01:09, 5 May 2010 (BST)


Game

Hello,

you've removed my suggestion for a real time urban dead based game. Do you have any idea where I could ask this question elsewhere? --Cornholioo 16:56, 6 May 2010 (BST)

Unfortunately, there's really nowhere appropriate for it on the wiki, since this wiki is all about Urban Dead. You might consider joining some of the third-party forums (e.g. Brainstock, Barhah, etc.) and seeing if you can find any interest there. There are folks in Barhah that play or have played some of the other spin-off games (e.g. Shartak, Nexus Wars, Quarantine 2019, etc.), so they may be more willing to discuss the suggestion, but, honestly, it sounded like you had a lot of thinking to still do about your idea, since it wasn't very fleshed out when you posted it previously. And you're also not the only person with ideas for a spin-off game. I know of at least one other person with a well-developed idea who is simply looking for a developer to work on it. There's an overabundance of ideas floating around, but not many people with the capability to make something like this. Aichon 21:56, 6 May 2010 (BST)


God,... my heads about to explode...

Like I said, we need to let cornhole keep talking,... he'll get banned eventually. Anyway... the real reason I am here is because of this and this. As you can see, the second became vandalism before the first. The first is now vandalism... that said, the second earned him a week ban when it was ruled vandalism,... now the first one is considered vandalism, does he then recieve his month ban? -Poodle of DoomM! Fear is only as deep as the mind will allow it be.T 23:51, 7 May 2010 (BST)

Yep. If both are ruled vandalism (the first one is still open, since the sysops aren't in agreement yet and only three have ruled so far), then he'll have a month ban appended onto his week ban, I believe. The same sort of thing happened to Zombie Lord around New Year's. He was escalated three time in quick succession and ended up getting a 24 hour ban from a case that started early but closed late compared to the other cases. Aichon 23:57, 7 May 2010 (BST)
SWEET!! I've always said that we need to keep that jackass talking just long enough to talk himself out of the wiki... -Poodle of DoomM! Fear is only as deep as the mind will allow it be.T 02:05, 8 May 2010 (BST)
You should thank me for accidentally trolling him into two A/VB cases ;D -- 02:18, 8 May 2010 (BST)
Mmmm,... No?! -Poodle of DoomM! Fear is only as deep as the mind will allow it be.T 02:23, 8 May 2010 (BST)
That's it, meet me out the flagpole at 3PM. that's where WE'LL SETTLE THIS -- 02:40, 8 May 2010 (BST)
After I saw your initial set of posts that got you on Cornholioo's persona non grata list, I knew this would end in an interesting way, but I just didn't know how. I honestly figured that you'd force us into seeing just how far the rules would stretch before we slapped you with an escalation for annoying him. I'm glad I was wrong. Aichon 02:47, 8 May 2010 (BST)
You know as well as I do that people are hell bent on getting that jackass off the wiki,... and no one would dare tred on the bard of his demise... -Poodle of DoomM! Fear is only as deep as the mind will allow it be.T 03:15, 8 May 2010 (BST)
I never tried to harass him or such, I only ever contacted him when it was "necessary", ie. I had something worthwhile to say that was in his interest. It just so happened that the mighty holocaust denier is so afraid of a few swear words that I threw some in just to annoy him. In response to what Cyberbob thinks, I think Corn is a troll to some extent, but he's honestly the worst one I've seen in a long time, since good trolls don't get banned for a month and a half when they take someone on. -- 03:24, 8 May 2010 (BST)
Oh, I meant no offense in what I said... I was actually complementing you on the artistic play. Personally, I've always been offended when someone calls another person a troll here on the wiki. We're all trolls in our own way. The best example would be anything having to do with cornhole... I mean seriously, look how many people jumped on that bandwagon. If they really wanted the drama to stop,... why even go looking for it? At the very least, don't add to it. At that though, the only reason the mass majority of them don't get banned to his extent, I think, is that most know when to stop. -Poodle of DoomM! Fear is only as deep as the mind will allow it be.T 03:36, 8 May 2010 (BST)
Lol silly beans, I was responding to Aichon! -- 02:58, 9 May 2010 (BST)
Yes, well, creating an entry titled "Fagmolio" isn't exactly "necessary", and I figured it might be setting the stage for future interactions that were even less necessary. Like I said, I'm glad I was wrong. Aichon 04:01, 8 May 2010 (BST)

Just so I understand the process correctly, is the required number of votes 3 or 2 when determining vandalism? In some cases, there are only two rulings before action is presented, and sometimes three. I always thought it was two... but I'm unsure now. -Poodle of DoomM! Fear is only as deep as the mind will allow it be.T 02:42, 9 May 2010 (BST)

There's no set number at all, as long as it appears to be a majority of voting sysops. Nothing to be done! 02:45, 9 May 2010 (BST)
Good to know. Now I'm curious to know when one decides to declare the majority? -Poodle of DoomM! Fear is only as deep as the mind will allow it be.T 02:50, 9 May 2010 (BST)
That was one of the first questions I asked DDR when I became a sysop. Basically, it's just what he told you in his last comment. You get a feeling for it. When in doubt, leave it open for a bit. Aichon 02:51, 9 May 2010 (BST)
Yeah, you just take into account what sysops are active during the case, whether they've all voted and whether they are likely to vote again. And even then, if you close a case prematurely even as vandalism, you aren't accountable for simply acting on votes, it'll just get reversed. -- 02:58, 9 May 2010 (BST)
I see, I'm just curious... because I noticed that of Cornholes most recent set of cases, one was closed quickly, and the other remains open. I noticed no one else seems to be voting. Earlier, I was told it was because it was close. That's fair,... even now. I assume everyones waiting to declare it until he comes back, just to add further insult to injury? -Poodle of DoomM! Fear is only as deep as the mind will allow it be.T 03:45, 9 May 2010 (BST)
We have three active sysops who have yet to rule on the only case that's still open (the other case was easy to rule on and had everyone in agreement), so I've been leaving it as-is in the hope that we'd get their feedback (I'm especially interested in Yonnua's, though he may recuse himself, given that he's the one that handed down the ruling boxy believes was invalid). If they do not comment or rule on the case in the next day or two, I'll draw some attention to the case, but then will eventually close it with the ruling standing as it is now. It's only been open for a bit over a day at this point, however, so it's hardly like the case has been lingering and festering on A/VB for an extended period of time, and there's no reason to rush the ruling. As for insult and injury, if he gets escalated again, the month ban will be in addition to his week ban, so it doesn't matter if we apply it now or when he comes back, since the result is the same. Aichon 04:05, 9 May 2010 (BST)
I get it... and I think you should let him come back long enough to post something, then ban him for a month.... It would be funnier that way! -Poodle of DoomM! Fear is only as deep as the mind will allow it be.T 04:33, 9 May 2010 (BST)
While I agree it would be funnier, I'm afraid I try to be consistent and even-handed when it comes to official duties. Whenever the case closes, it closes, regardless of whether the existing ban is still in effect or is up. That's just the way it is. Aichon 08:45, 9 May 2010 (BST)


TOC

When it comes to the TOC on a page, is there a way where the background can be made transparent? For example... If I had a page with a colored background, and wanted the TOC on the page, the TOC would have a white background on top of whatever color the background is. How do I make the color show through the TOC? -Poodle of DoomM! Fear is only as deep as the mind will allow it be.T 05:00, 9 May 2010 (BST)

Tentatively, I'm going to say it's not possible. The background color for the TOC is coded into the stylesheet for the wiki itself and can't be circumvented in any way that I'm aware of. You can always make your own TOC and update it by hand, but that's a hassle (I used to do it on some of my pages, but eventually stopped). You might consider asking Rooster, since I have no solution. If you find one though, I'd love to hear it. Aichon 09:01, 9 May 2010 (BST)
Well, making my own was exactly what I was thinking about doing, but wanted to make sure I couldn't circumvent it first. Thanks... I'm off to ask Rooster first... -Poodle of DoomM! Fear is only as deep as the mind will allow it be.T 14:07, 9 May 2010 (BST)
Consider him officially asked... -Poodle of DoomM! Fear is only as deep as the mind will allow it be.T 14:19, 9 May 2010 (BST)


portal

portal is free on steam!! go get it, you too-arty-mac-fag ;D -- 13:42, 13 May 2010 (BST)
My Backloggery page. Note the Recent Changes section on the right side and the date for when I got Portal. Way ahead of you, bud. :P Aichon 19:37, 13 May 2010 (BST)


Project

Up for a little project? -Poodle of DoomM! Fear is only as deep as the mind will allow it be.T 23:49, 14 May 2010 (BST)

Maaaybe. But for some strange reason, I have a feeling that you're about to ask me for something that can't be done. Aichon 06:52, 15 May 2010 (BST)
No, instead of me submiting all the pictures in EVIL's group category for protection, I'd like just to ask someone to do it. Or I could submit each picture, and each talk page... By mid week, we'll actually probably ask for everything to be removed from the wiki anyway....
Another thing.... how do I go about getting a self ban after from the wiki? I'd like to have something set up similar to Matthewfarenheit... how's that work? -Poodle of DoomM! Fear is only as deep as the mind will allow it be.T 04:13, 16 May 2010 (BST)
Regarding the first, if you're about to wipe it all, then why protect it now? If you really want it protected though, then you'll need to put up an actual request with a link to the category and ask for all images to be protected, since I can't protect by informal request alone. Should be simple enough, I hope, unless I'm missing something. You shouldn't need to list out every single one, since the request is straightforward (in cases where you want some, but not all, to be protected, having an explicit list is useful, but there's no need for it here).
As for the second, see #6 here. It's how Matthew Fahrenheit was banned. Aichon 07:08, 16 May 2010 (BST)
You just go on A/VB and ask. -- 09:29, 16 May 2010 (BST)
Next question,... If I want an indefinite ban, and decide to come back in the future, say, 10 yrs from now... as an example... how would I go about contacting someone to unban the account? -Poodle of DoomM! Fear is only as deep as the mind will allow it be.T 02:56, 22 May 2010 (BST)
Ask Cheese via IRC... Nothing to be done! 02:59, 22 May 2010 (BST)
Yeah, just ask one of the sysops on IRC or else e-mail someone. Aichon 03:14, 22 May 2010 (BST)
You're not a sysop? -Poodle of DoomM! Fear is only as deep as the mind will allow it be.T 04:41, 31 May 2010 (BST)
I was reiterating and expanding on what Mis said to include all sysops (myself included, of course), should Cheese not be available (I haven't seen him on IRC in months). Aichon 09:50, 31 May 2010 (BST)
I for one haven't seen him in over a year, I was surprised it was even suggested :D -- 09:52, 31 May 2010 (BST)
It was a joke. Grr! Argh! *shaking fist* Nothing to be done! 14:22, 1 June 2010 (BST)
Even if banned, if you've specified an email address you can use the Email this user button on the left tool bar and email a sop. Worked a treat when bob was trying to speedy delete stuff whilst I was banned. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 14:34, 1 June 2010 (BST)


Help with Suggestions

Hey Aichion Could you tell me how to put suggestions up for voting?

Thanks Scvideoking 23:44, 14 May 2010 (BST)scvideoking

"Aichon". No "i" after the "h".
Anyway, you basically just need to go here and then follow the instructions very carefully. To make a long story short, you'll copy/paste that first bit of code they gave you directly onto that page. You'll then follow a link that that code creates, and will paste that SugHead code onto that new page. Then you need to follow the instructions it gives you when you preview the page. Just make sure you go through it all, step by step, and that you don't skip anything along the way. If you get stuck, ask for help. Aichon 06:52, 15 May 2010 (BST)


Pker identifier

So I was thinking, you have that superscript R that links you to a site showing a person's bounty. Is there anyway to get public access to that database such that you can color-code the people you are near by their bounty? It would be great for independents to be able to judge where they're sleeping based on the presence of Pkers, and a color coded name would be by far the quickest way to tell how nefarious a person is or how precarious a situation is. Are you a Sagittarius? That would be hilarious because I'm Aquarius. we tend to have vicarious thrills from gregarious people. Anaswasi 15:54, 23 May 2010 (BST)

Well, at least with the browsers I support with that script, it's not possible. It'd require opening up a connection to another server while loading the UD page, but some of the browsers lock out opening connections to other servers as a security concern (Firefox being the only one that doesn't, from what I can tell). Plus, that's not a script that I actively use myself (I merely support it), so I'm afraid I'm not keen on extending its feature set, especially since something of this sort would take quite a bit of effort and would work in Firefox alone, I'm afraid. Aichon 18:37, 23 May 2010 (BST)
Something like that does already exist anyway. Just get UDWidget and load the contact list of the RG website into it. It's just that a.) it's updated manually rather then in real-time, and b.) that the RG doesn't objectively tell if someone is "a bad guy" or not, just if someone has been reported for PKing someone who hasn't PKed himself (or at least was never reported for it). But b.) is anyway a problem for each and every evil-doer list and unsolvable as soon as dual natures, GKers, death-cultists and other fuzzy characters enter the picture. -- Spiderzed 18:49, 23 May 2010 (BST)
Aichon, you said it would be a lot of work, and after taking CS100, I think the program itself would be easy- simply a map of a key(ID#) to a value(bounty). Obviously this is not the hard part. From a coding perspective, what makes this a difficult script to write? I don't know much about CS and I'm interested. I guess you answered this in your original reply- the data is hard to get into your program? Anaswasi 18:55, 23 May 2010 (BST)
The problem is in establishing the connection to the Rogue's Gallery at page load time since I believe that all of the browsers besides Firefox prohibit that sort of activity (as in, it's not even possible to do it...it'll throw a runtime exception in Safari and Chrome, I believe, for instance). The only other way to do it would be to export the Rogue's Gallery data and then put it into the script manually, but, as was pointed out, it wouldn't stay updated automatically, and there are already ways to do that using existing tools (e.g. UDTool or udwidget, as was mentioned, both work in Firefox). As you said, the mapping is rather trivial, it's just a matter of finding the data in a way that's automatic. Even if it were possible in the other browsers, I'd also have to educate myself on how those sorts of things work, since I haven't gotten around to doing asynchronous communication with Javascript just yet. It's probably not too hard, but it'd take some time for me to learn and figure out, which I'm more inclined to spend elsewhere right now. Aichon 19:09, 23 May 2010 (BST)


Big Bash 3

Did you ask for permission to edit that page? --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 10:16, 26 May 2010 (BST)

Are you going to honestly try to claim ownership of it? We already have members in-game with that as our group tag and have stuff on the wiki that predates the page (which I'm sure you're very aware of, given the timing of when you creating the page). I'll be very disappointed if you decide to do that, but I understand you have a history with some of the people and may be trying to use this as a vehicle to get back at them. If so, I'm asking kindly that you don't. This is not a threat, just a simple statement of my preference, but I really would rather not have to get into something ugly over this, especially since you and I don't have any such history between us. Aichon 10:24, 26 May 2010 (BST)
Aww, you're such a nice person to provide such a mature argument. Don't worry, I was just teasing you a little, I mean no harm and you and your zombie friends can do whatever they like. Don't know where you got the impression that I have "history" with people behind this, as to my knowledge I do not. Yours sincerely, --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 10:35, 26 May 2010 (BST)
*phew* Very glad to hear it! I'm sure you've seen the work I've been putting into it over the last week or so, and to come this far only to have even the possibility of it being obstructed...definitely wasn't a laughing moment for me right then (one's head has a tendency to fill up with all of the worst case scenarios instantly), but I can definitely laugh together with you now at the situation. As for history, I was never much of a history buff, so this wouldn't be the first time I may have been mistaken about something that's before my time. Anyway, you gave me a scare there, but thanks for letting me go ahead with it. I appreciate it. :) Aichon 10:45, 26 May 2010 (BST)
Can't wait, this was long overdue! Good luck. -- 13:27, 26 May 2010 (BST)
Thanks! I'm just the wiki guy, however, and though I'm the only one making the edits (for the most part), it's definitely been a collaboration with lots of input from lots of people, most of whom will be coming into the spotlight a lot more in the coming weeks, whereas I'll be able to take it easier after this setup is all done. :P Aichon 13:32, 26 May 2010 (BST)
That's the way I've always hoped it would work, as a wiki monkey can't pull this off on his own but would benefit greatly from that super sexy inside support from mates. I'll defo join up, I've been rott clogging the same revive point for like 2 fucking monthS. power to the BAHRARH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!-- 13:37, 26 May 2010 (BST)
Haha, my apologies, I can imagine your reaction after all that effort. Also, compliments on the design so far. Looks really fancy ;) --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 22:47, 31 May 2010 (BST)

Now I can see them, I don't liek the initial big letters. Have you considered the Chiller font? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 09:56, 27 May 2010 (BST)

You'd be surprised how many computers don't have that font :( -- 10:17, 27 May 2010 (BST)
But I do. And my importance it absolute. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 10:32, 27 May 2010 (BST)
I picked a "generic font", that way it would ensure that everyone would see something there that's in the ballpark of what I wanted. Unfortunately, there is no generic font for "spooky stuff", and Chiller is not widely adopted, last I checked. I really am trying to hit the low fruit with that page, so it should look good for as many people as possible (I intentionally went light on my usual shadows, rounded edges, embossing, gradients, etc., just because I didn't want it looking broken in IE or earlier versions of FF, which many people use). Aichon 10:38, 27 May 2010 (BST)


My deleted suggestion

Heh, I feel like an idiot now. Sorry about that. I was just wondering how long I should wait before I re-post my new suggestion. I had assumed I should wait a few days or weeks (or months), but I do think that the suggestion is a decent one, and want to put it down eventually. Gmanyo 14:34, 26 May 2010 (BST)

You can put it back up immediately, actually. It shouldn't be a problem at all. That said, I'd still advise taking it to Developing Suggestions first so that you can get some feedback from the people who will be voting on it and can take their thoughts into consideration. They're pretty harsh over there, but that's what's necessary since it's not like they're going to hold back when actually voting. Aichon 14:45, 26 May 2010 (BST)
Oh! That's what Developing Suggestions is. Thanks so much: I thought it was for suggestions that had been voted in but were still developing! Boy was I confused. Thanks, man. Gmanyo 17:16, 26 May 2010 (BST)


Orphans

ORPHAN.jpg Orphaned Page
The following page(s) were orphaned, meaning they weren't linked from any other page on UDWiki. For house-keeping's sake, we are adding the link onto the relevant talk page. If you don't want the pages anymore just post them on the Deletions Page. You aren't required to do anything, but we'd appreciate if it you kept the link on any one of your pages.

Please note that the link provided below will not remove the page from Orphaned Pages, so you'll still need to manually make a link for us. Thank you.


Your page, Big Bash 3/Admin, was not linked to on the wiki. This message is just to provide a link for it and clear it from our orphanage.

Your page, Big Bash 3/Attacking, was not linked to on the wiki. This message is just to provide a link for it and clear it from our orphanage.

Your page, Big Bash 3/Contact, was not linked to on the wiki. This message is just to provide a link for it and clear it from our orphanage.

Your page, Big Bash 3/Guide, was not linked to on the wiki. This message is just to provide a link for it and clear it from our orphanage.

Your page, Big Bash 3/Location, was not linked to on the wiki. This message is just to provide a link for it and clear it from our orphanage.

Your page, Big Bash 3/Thanks, was not linked to on the wiki. This message is just to provide a link for it and clear it from our orphanage.

--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 16:21, 27 May 2010 (BST)

You're a little too thorough sometimes... Aichon 00:54, 28 May 2010 (BST)


Hey!

I chose Yonnua, but his page siad he was gonna be ultrainactive today. UDWiki:Administration/Demotions needs an archive but i can't do it myself because archive is protected. nudge! ;D -- 07:25, 31 May 2010 (BST)
I'll deal with it it momentarily if no one else preempts me in the next few minutes. *waits for someone to preempt him* No? Shucks. Aichon 09:52, 31 May 2010 (BST)


Badmen misrepresented

The Badmen do little on the wiki, but nonetheless are everpresent (although underwhelmingly so at the moment), so to remove them from the the West Boundwood page simply misrepresents the group situation in the suburb. Can they not simply be returned?--Harald von Holzapfel 18:57, 1 June 2010 (BST)

Absolutely! They were only removed due to inactivity on the wiki, not as some sort of punishment or anything of the sort (a group of us went through and cleaned up all of the suburbs a few months back, removing dozens of groups that failed to respond, of which they were just one). If they're still around, they're welcome to add themselves back to the suburb listing. That said, the guidelines for who can be listed have been slightly modified since they were removed (specifically, #2 was added since we wanted to ensure that we had a surefire way to contact any group). Since The Badmen used to simply link to the wiki article for the Badmen Building, they'd need to actually have their own wiki page (it wouldn't need to be elaborate in the least) before they could be linked from the listing. Aichon 20:11, 1 June 2010 (BST)
So in order for a group listing to be accurate, all groups must have their own wikipage.... probably makes sense to some, but it means that even if a group is a 100 strong, they are invisible on the wiki page designed to describe the relevant suburb they inhabit without, as it were, filling out a form! Surely in such a case this makes the group listings ineffective in their primary purpose, i.e. to represent the groups in a suburb?!? The Badmen are perpetually lax on the wiki, but have been active in the game for the whole time we have been there (at least!) - this rule does nothing but misrepresent what happens in the game - ridiculous!--Harald von Holzapfel 23:40, 1 July 2010 (BST)
A group wiki page only takes a few minutes to create, if even, and need not be elaborate or ornate in nature (we literally could have made you one in the time it took us to engage in this discussion here). If you'd like some assistance in getting a simple one started, I'd be happy to lend a hand in getting a skeleton page together that you could flesh out as you like. That said, out of the entire listing that we cleaned up for the city, the Badmen were probably one out of five groups for the whole city that didn't have a wiki page for themselves, so this is not a widespread problem or one that creates gross misrepresentations of the group listings. And those five groups created massive headaches for us, since we had no direct means of contacting them on the wiki. We did attempt to contact the Badmen via the suburb page, but received no response there, so we weren't exactly left with many options as it were. We could either cater to an extreme minority and inconvenience the dozen or so people involved in cleaning things up, or we could formalize an unwritten rule that was already being followed by 99% of the groups anyway.
Now, as I said, I'm willing to assist you with putting up a page, assuming you'd like some help. Arguing with me isn't going to change the situation any, since I was not the sole decision maker behind that change. So we can either move forward and get you guys listed again according to the new rules, which we can have accomplished by later today or tomorrow, or continue to discuss your dislike for the change to the rules. Your call. :) Aichon 00:12, 2 July 2010 (BST)


Hello my good man!

Mayor.png Dear Fellow
Chance would have it that another Mayoral race has begun! Word on the street is that you'd be a stellar candidate to walk up the apples and pears to stand as mayor! Jolly good show, and hop on over to the election space to declare yourself. Pip, pip!

Run for the Zombiecratic party and sweep to illustrious power. Also, contact people on Barhah.com about the election, because I'm certain there are bigwigs there who will want to run.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 12:30, 2 June 2010 (BST)

I'm not really that well-known at barhah.com, but someone else has already gone and done what you suggested. As for me running, ehhh...not so sure. I doubt I will, but you never know (also, until I preempted my dual nature character for the Bash, I had only one dedicated zombie, so running as that party may not be appropriate anyway). Aichon 12:39, 2 June 2010 (BST)


Fanks

As you've got at least 5 of us sending alts over can SFHNAS be listed on your list of zombie groups? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 12:10, 6 June 2010 (BST)

It's your list too if you have five with BB3. :P Anyway, I went ahead and added SFHNAS to the list. Thanks for letting me know. Aichon 18:55, 6 June 2010 (BST)


Misconduct

There's a Misconduct case up against you. Just so that you're informed.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 12:13, 6 June 2010 (BST)

Thanks for formally letting me know. Even though I'd have spotted it soon enough anyway, seeing the notification that I had new stuff on my talk page definitely got my attention much sooner, so I appreciate it. Aichon 18:57, 6 June 2010 (BST)


External Links

Hello Aichon, am I allowed to use an external link like this RP in my User space?--Raddox MurTangle 06:26, 7 June 2010 (BST)

Yep, you can link to stuff like that just fine. Is there any particular reason why you might think it wouldn't be allowed? I feel as if I'm missing the reason you think it wouldn't be allowed, but at least at a glance, it looks fine to me. Aichon 06:44, 7 June 2010 (BST)
No reason, in fact I have already started to do it. I just thought I should make an official check with a syop because I have about 30 more to do. I would hate to do all that tedious work then find out I can't use them. Thanks for the fast reply Aichon!--Raddox MurTangle 06:50, 7 June 2010 (BST)


Unmerging

All of those links are referring to the page itself, not to the unmerged locations. :P Assumed that was what it meant?--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 08:08, 8 June 2010 (BST)

I can't argue with that logic, and looking through them all quickly, it appears that you're spot-on correct. Ok, I'm good. Ignore what I said. :) Aichon 08:12, 8 June 2010 (BST)
DOn't worry about it. At least you didn't see my major screw up on Harvey Lane. :P --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 08:13, 8 June 2010 (BST)
I did now! *holds as leverage for later use* :P Aichon 08:16, 8 June 2010 (BST)


Oh shi-!

That protection you just did! When SA deleted everything, it all became unprotected!--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 10:01, 8 June 2010 (BST)

Ugh, seriously? I'll start on the stuff he did recently and work towards the older stuff he deleted. You go the other way. Aichon 10:03, 8 June 2010 (BST)
Right oh.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 10:04, 8 June 2010 (BST)
That's all of them. Nicely done.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 10:14, 8 June 2010 (BST)
I just found a lot of old talk pages for A/VB archives in need of protecting, so I'll be working on those. Excellent work. Aichon 10:15, 8 June 2010 (BST)


Sorry

Sorry about reverting your talk page move, the legitimacy being threatened by being on main/talk is transparent anyway, it was a kneejerk (emphasis on jerk ;D) reaction but you were right. -- 12:05, 8 June 2010 (BST)
Thanks. I was doing one final preview for a comment I was about to make on your talk page when I saw you had posted to mine. To say the least, I had a tidy paragraph expressing disappointment that you would revert those edits. I'm really not so concerned right now with who is right and wrong, so much as how people are conducting themselves, and, in general, it seems like everyone has been running around like chickens without heads the last two days, bumping into each other and making a mess of things that normally are simple. My fuse is definitely shorter than usual right now, and that revert came close to setting me off a bit, so I was very very glad to see your comment here. Anyway, I'm about to hit the sack, but, once again, thanks. Aichon 12:16, 8 June 2010 (BST)
Lol! I almost regret it, I now wish I'd blown your fuse ;D but yeah, welcome to the quarterly madness of UDWiki explosions. -- 02:43, 9 June 2010 (BST)
Well, you got me close. I was heading to bed intentionally so that it wouldn't blow up. Plus, I had no intention of getting into an edit war with you over it, since it just wasn't a battle worth fighting. Anyway, off to draft a new policy for discussion. Aichon 02:55, 9 June 2010 (BST)


Socmember

Template:Socmember - Just wondering, is there a reason why it's subst and not just a normal usage? -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 05:45, 10 June 2010 (BST)

Honestly? I think I was tired and wanted the code on the page it's used on (Soldiers of Crossman/Members) to be consistent with the existing entries, but didn't even consider the possibility of simply replacing the old entries with the template since it just didn't occur to me at the time. I'm planning on redoing the SoC's entire wiki space within the next few weeks here though, so I'll tend to that too when I'm handling everything else. I may just talk to the rest of leadership about pulling down the list entirely, since I'd rather not give PKers a target list. Aichon 12:35, 11 June 2010 (BST)


Gibsonton Listing

I have a reason but I didn't know where to submit it.But since I'm here I might as well get on with it.The reason for the edit is that there hasn't been any Squatters in the area for the better part of a month.While there is some activity from one member in his hit-and-run attempts he spends almost all of his time outside of Gibsonton.I felt that,with this in mind,an update was in order.Perhaps you'll be able to make a more perminate edit since mine are reversed.Sorry for any misunderstanding.--HolmGard 21:24, 10 June 2010 (BST)

Well, generally we leave it up to the individual group and their members to add or remove themselves except in cases where it's indisputable (and since they do still have a member that comes through, it's not quite indisputable). Should the group be entirely inactive however, we have a "Great Suburb Group Massacre" that comes through occasionally and cleans out those groups, and they did get cleaned out a few months back when the massacre came through, but they've since re-added themselves, indicating that they're active enough still. Given that you're in a rival group, it's probably best to leave it either for someone else or until there's no doubt at all about activity. Aichon 12:35, 11 June 2010 (BST)


Godwins law

Is good but flawed. Try using it whilst discussing the nazis. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 18:12, 16 June 2010 (BST)

You've already lost. Teehee -- Rahrah 18:59, 16 June 2010 (BST)
That's not a problem. Godwin's Law doesn't actually make a judgement regarding the appropriateness of mentioning Hitler or Nazis, but rather merely asserts that the likelihood of mentioning them as the conversation goes on approaches 100% probability. In fact, according to the article I linked, Godwin actually argues that the reason those comparisons shouldn't be overused is because it "robs the valid conversations of their impact". Also, technically, I probably should've asserted reductio ad Hitlerum rather than Godwin's Law, but Godwin's Law is much more well known (i.e. merely stating its name and giving a link to it is usually enough to end the conversation :P), and, honestly, I had forgotten about the former. Aichon 22:55, 16 June 2010 (BST)


Thanks

Cookie.jpg A FREE COOKIE
Axe Hack has given Aichon a cookie for pointing out my signature error.
--Axe Hack Talk 17:53, 19 June 2010 (BST)
Sure thing. Very glad to help. Aichon 21:25, 19 June 2010 (BST)


surrogate

I would like to take on your policy which you said was ok, but before I give it a go, what did you essentially envision it as? ATM I'm planning on just putting up a policy which adds a time limit to when historical groups can disband and when they can nominate. Length of said limit negotiable thus far. -- 07:15, 25 June 2010 (BST)
That's pretty much what I had in mind. I didn't really see any point in complicating it or making it difficult. Just take the idea that boxy presented (which is what you just detailed) and then put it up for discussion. All I'm looking for is some sort of an improvement to the system, and while I'd like something stronger than just a time limit, I'm definitely willing to settle for now with just that, so that's what I was planning to go with. I just didn't want to bother with the hassle of organizing it right now, so I'm definitely grateful to you for picking it up. Aichon 13:10, 25 June 2010 (BST)


Malton Manhunt/Axe Hack's Manhunt 3

This is a reminder to you, and all the other contestants, that AHMH3 begins in 5 days as of this post. The playing area is the top 16 suburbs in a 4x4 formation on the Northwest of the map. You are expected to be in the area at the start of the Manhunt, so if you're not already in the area, get moving! And happy hunting to you. --Axe Hack Talk 16:32, 26 June 2010 (BST)


Cough

Since you caught onto a portion of my plan so quick, I have no choice but to reward you with this template.

AH Unown Sig.PNG He's Watching You...
Axe Hack has his eyes on this User. All seven of them.
--Axe Hack Talk 01:38, 28 June 2010 (BST)

...I saw that comment when you were signing the list...To clear things up, I omitted the last 3 people because usually around 10PM EST (The New York EST, not the Australian EST), my Internet goes all screwy on me. No hard feelings, ya? --Axe Hack Talk 14:43, 30 June 2010 (BST)

No worries. I had figured you either considered me to be confirmed already since I've been active around the wiki, were only pinging those you didn't think would see it on their own, were getting around to it later, or else had reasons for stopping when you did. Regardless, I honestly didn't mind and just wanted to give you a hard time. :P Aichon 19:47, 30 June 2010 (BST)

+1 for me? How nice of you. Now if only everyone would do the same... =P --Axe Hack Talk 22:17, 30 June 2010 (BST)


yep

yeah, sorry about brackets, i was just reverting to one of the original edit that started all this since it's the easiest to find. -- 08:44, 5 July 2010 (BST)
actually nvm not sorry, turns out i was right ;) [1] -- 08:54, 5 July 2010 (BST)
I reject your facts and have embraced my calling as a serial bracket deleter. Ha HA! Take that! Aichon 08:59, 5 July 2010 (BST)
LOL! -- 09:11, 5 July 2010 (BST)


12 hours?

You should be on at least every 8,.... GGAAAAHHHH!!!! - Poodle of Doom 04:23, 6 July 2010 (BST)

... Aichon 05:54, 6 July 2010 (BST)
Not funny? - Poodle of Doom 13:34, 6 July 2010 (BST)
At the time, no. I'm in a bit of a sour mood regarding the wiki as a whole right now. Aichon 00:17, 7 July 2010 (BST)
I apologize then. Hope the light hearted humour will help eventually. - Poodle of Doom 04:17, 7 July 2010 (BST)


Re: "Click"

Finally got round to using your template for a sig. I dunno if it's just the job queue updating or the fact that there's a fair few template calls involved, but I think I broke something. :( Nothing to be done! 22:04, 7 July 2010 (BST)

It's the fact that we both changed our signs at the same time, so the job queue took massively long to update. Also, you need one text character in your sig, if I recall correctly.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 22:07, 7 July 2010 (BST)
Whatever the case, you DEFINITELY need something that links to your user space.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 22:12, 7 July 2010 (BST)
I'll check about the text thing now, but click the gas mask. It goes to the user page. Nothing to be done! 23:42, 7 July 2010 (BST)
No. No it doesn't... :P --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 23:44, 7 July 2010 (BST)
It totally leads to User:Misanthropy when I do it. If it's causing problems I'll subst the code into the sig instead of using Aich's template directly. Nothing to be done! 23:55, 7 July 2010 (BST)
works for me --Michalesonbadge.pngTCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 00:01, 8 July 2010 (BST)
Even with the SUBSTed code, I'm still not getting it. I just have the three images in a line.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 00:04, 8 July 2010 (BST)
It is three images in a line, but images are masked by div links to different pages. Nothing to be done! 00:05, 8 July 2010 (BST)
There are no masks for me.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 00:06, 8 July 2010 (BST)
So what happens when you click on it? Do you go to the image's page or his page? What about if you go here and try some of the links? Do you go to the image's page or something else? Do you get text on mouseover? Which browser/version are you using? Do those examples on the page I linked look like you'd expect? Aichon 00:12, 8 July 2010 (BST)
All of them link to the image pages, including the ones on your page. I only get mouseover text on the bolded font on the pink parts, and not on any of the actual pictures. As for browser, I'm still using Internet Explorer, compatability mode, and the version is whatever I said last time.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 00:16, 8 July 2010 (BST)
Ah, yeah, none of these work in IE, I believe, since IE is just stupid when it comes to positioning and the box model. That's a known issue, and there's nothing we can really do about it (I'm hopeful IE9 will handle the issue once and for all, since the others browsers have had it right for between 5-10 years already in most cases). I had thought you had switched over to Firefox awhile back, hence why I was concerned. Anyway, what Mis can do to mitigate the issue is set up redirects from the images (if he hasn't already...I didn't check), which will do the trick. It's what Iscariot used to do, and it works fine as a fallback option for IE users. You won't get the fancy tooltips, nor will it show the correct link on mouseover, but it'll work, at least. Aichon 00:20, 8 July 2010 (BST)
You're thinking of safari. I briefly used it a couple of months ago, but this computer doesn't have it, and I'm more used to IE anyway.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 17:49, 8 July 2010 (BST)