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Guidelines for De-Escalation Requests

All De-Escalation Requests must contain the following information in order to be considered:

• A link to the user in question. Preferably bolded for visibility.
• A criteria for de-escalation. This should be short and to the point, including relevant links A/VD and A/VB if available.
• A signed datestamp. This can be easily done by adding ~~~~ to the end of your request.

Any de-escalation request that does not contain these pieces of information will not be considered, and will be removed by a system operator.

De-Escalation Eligibility

To be eligible for a De-Escalation Request, the user must fall under one of the following criteria:

1. 1 Month and 250 Edits: At least 1 month has passed since the user's last vandalism infraction, and they have made 250 good-faith edits to the wiki since the last infraction/striking a user has received.
2. Invalid Vandalism Ruling: The vandalism data on the user's record is incorrect, because the specific vandalism ruling in question has been subsequently reversed.

Cycle of Warnings and Bans

The cycle of warnings and bans is laid out in these guidelines. De-Escalations will be administered starting with the 2nd warning, then working backwards through bans, and finally ending with the first warning, provided there are no acts of vandalism committed by the user in the interim period.

Permaban Appeals

Users who have been permabanned on UDWiki may have their bans appealed here on the De-Escalations page. To do this, a user must submit a case under the permabanned user's name, preferably with usage of the {{vndl}} template and an explanation regarding why the user should be unbanned. The case will also be noted on the main page via {{Wiki News}}.

Voting will commence for 2 weeks, and a majority of 2/3rds is needed. After the voting period is up, a sysop will review the vote and take appropriate action. If 2/3rds majority has been reached for rescinding the ban, the user will have their A/VD adjusted, and their permaban escalation will be struck, with an added link to the permaban vote. If the user was banned as per the "3 edit rule", they will have the permaban escalation struck but will be left with 2 warnings.

A permabanned user must be permabanned for at least 6 months before they can have the ban appealed. If an appeal does not fit this rule, it may be immediately cycled by a sysop without warning.

Appeals are considered a serious vote. Misuse of this privilege, eg. multiple submissions over a short time, may result in abusers being brought to vandal banning.

Pending De-Escalations

User:Starlingt

Starlingt (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Frankly he got a little too zealous in messing with The Jack, but now that that group is gone he'd like to come back and be pals again. --【ⅎooɹd ǝʌɐɥ ᴉ sʇɐoƃ sʍoʅʚ ⅎǝᴉɹɔuoɯ uǝɹɐʞ】 ☉ ☉ |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 01:38, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

For reference, the original ban was as a 3eV (case here). There's no vandal data because we don't normally make such an entry for a 3eV. Also not sure if we've ever de-escalated a 3eV — I'd love other sysops to weigh in. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 02:19, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Ok, read the above. If the vote passes, he'd be unbanned and left with two warnings as vandal data. If no other sysops have comment, I'll start the vote process tomorrow. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 04:35, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

You wound me Bob. You act like I'd write a policy that didn't account for all possibilities. From my end, the account looks fine to be processed for a vote. DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION 05:40, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

As a note, I'm not sure if I even get or need to vote given I'm the one who brought this up and can be assumed to be in favor. --【ⅎooɹd ǝʌɐɥ ᴉ sʇɐoƃ sʍoʅʚ ⅎǝᴉɹɔuoɯ uǝɹɐʞ】 ☉ ☉ |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 07:34, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

From a position of formality it would be good if you would vote below. Apologies. DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION 10:50, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

It's been two weeks. What's the hold-up? -FunkyFidel (talk) 02:19, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

This is a hold-up! Don't anybody move! --【ⅎooɹd ǝʌɐɥ ᴉ sʇɐoƃ sʍoʅʚ ⅎǝᴉɹɔuoɯ uǝɹɐʞ】 ☉ ☉ |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 03:24, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

After two weeks of voting and a slight delay on the part of us sysops, this de-escalation has succeeded. Starlingt has been unbanned, and retroactive vandal data of two warnings has been created. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 05:32, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Voting Rules

Votes must be numbered, signed, and timestamped. They can take one of two forms: # comments ~~~~ or # ~~~~ Votes that do not conform to the above will be struck by a sysop.

The only valid voting sections are For and Against. If you wish to abstain from voting, do not vote.

For

1. I have no problem with bringing back permabanned users who have a genuine interest in returning. DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION 10:50, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
2. --Ocular |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 15:38, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
3. JAZED (talk) 17:30, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
4. --【ⅎooɹd ǝʌɐɥ ᴉ sʇɐoƃ sʍoʅʚ ⅎǝᴉɹɔuoɯ uǝɹɐʞ】 ☉ ☉ |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 02:11, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
5. Set him free Sniper4625 #4625 - |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ^TMG 21:37, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
6. |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 03:17, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
7. If Trump can approve prison reform, why not us as well? Moraldelima (talk) 06:27, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
8. It's all in good fun, fellas. Poopgiggle (talk) 17:25, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
9. Appealing the perma rather than just making a new account shows good faith. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 01:12, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
10. Let him live. Also, there's worse things than messing with The Jack. FunkyFidel (talk) 12:46, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Against

1. A 3EV who made some 17 accounts? Yeah, that is going to be great enrichment to the wiki. -- Spiderzed▋ 01:10, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

   I'm curious, what's the difference between this case and Izumi, who made literally hundreds of vandal alts over a sustained period of years to circumvent their ban? You even were the one to put them forward for permaban appeal. DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION 03:01, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

   Maybe the fact that Izumi was banned for years plays a major difference. Perhaps being from a group that since day one let everyone know they weren't interested in anything other than ruining the game is the big issue. Im just guessing though.. -- 09:54, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

   She was banned for years, and spent those years making hundreds (I wasn't exaggerating) of vandal accounts to vandalise the wiki on a regular basis. Isn't that worse? DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION 22:13, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

   As mentioned, there was a gap of six years between Izumis permaban and her successful de-escalation, and her MO changed from clear-cut vandalizing to just editing her own group page. And if we can believe User:Sage of Winds to have known Izumi IRL she was a freshman at community college at the time of the A/DE process. A dumb teen girl making dumb teen mistakes, maturing and wisening up over several years is very different from some goon only known for straight 3EV vandalism claiming to have a sudden change of heart within the span of a few months. -- Spiderzed▋ 23:24, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

2. Yeah, I also have a big problem with the repeated creation of ban-evasion accounts. Between the various cases for those, returning after less than a year with just two warnings doesn't seem like the correct course of justice. (Btw, I voted no on Izumi too, in case that's of relevance.) Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 12:02, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
3. How did I miss the corn thing? --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 22:16, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

   Possibly because most of the drama was confined to the discord and an Open Discussion. As you can see, the A/DE entry was surprisingly orderly. DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION 22:51, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

4. Partially because of a complete lack of constructive edits, partially because I doubt there's been any change in his mindset, and partially because of meatpuppets. --^A_O^R_D^M_O^P_R^I _! ^T 20:17, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

   "Meatpuppets". LMAO. "Waaah, goons are organized and work together! Waaah!" Maybe we just want our buddy to be able to update danger levels or something. --【ⅎooɹd ǝʌɐɥ ᴉ sʇɐoƃ sʍoʅʚ ⅎǝᴉɹɔuoɯ uǝɹɐʞ】 ☉ ☉ |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 03:50, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Closed De-Escalations

User:Jack's Inflamed Sense Of Rejection

Audioattack (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)
Jack's Inflamed Sense Of Rejection (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

I made some boo-boo's and some no-no's. I also made alot of other stuff like a shitload of updates on the dangerlevel (like 1000?) which I plan on continuing. As of now I almost removed all the "dark" buildings on the barricade plans (thanks Armpit Odor for the rest) and I still update some dangerstuff here and there.

Please have mercy on my wiki soul, I need it back. 22:10, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Rejected. Sorry, but your last act of vandalism was recorded at 15:41, 23 July 2018 (UTC), and you need to have made 250 good faith edits since then. I’m only counting 173 edits according to your contribs. Am I missing something? —Aichon— 04:52, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Does the 173 include the five uploaded files? Either way, you've just got about 80 more DangerUpdates to go, JISOR. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 14:36, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

This is what was included. And it looks like I miscounted. It was actually 168, not 173. Not sure why I was off by 5. —Aichon— 15:34, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Give me an hour or something.. -- 18:28, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

I think im there now Aichon. Should I make a new request? -- 20:08, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

No worries. I've de-escalated you. I believe you're eligible for your next de-escalation on September 23rd, if you do 250 more good-faith edits before that time. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 23:57, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

He’s actually eligible as soon as he has another 250 good faith edits after the timestamp on the de-escalation. —Aichon— 02:30, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification! In all my time as a sysop I've rarely had de-escalation processing as a task — evident from the fact there's no A/DE archive newer than 2014. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 12:14, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Get ready for more then! -- 14:41, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

That's something that Aichon, and to a lesser extent me, should be thankful of. THE CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER 01:28, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

User:Cornholioo

Cornholioo (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Voting Rules

Votes must be numbered, signed, and timestamped. They can take one of two forms: # comments ~~~~ or # ~~~~ Votes that do not conform to the above will be struck by a sysop.

The only valid voting sections are For and Against. If you wish to abstain from voting, do not vote.

He is the great Cornholio! And he has been permabanned to Nicaragua after the sys-ops denied him his TP for his bunghole! Will you allow the great Cornholio back to collect the TP for his bunghole?

It would be good for the drama level and the lulz until he gets himself banned a week later anyway. Not that I think that he will get even close to the necessary 2/3 support. -- Spiderzed▋ 22:43, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

As it has been more than two weeks, voting is closed and this de-escalation appeal has failed by a vote of 0-20. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 00:35, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

It has come to my attention that Cheese's vote below came in after the voting window had elapsed. Still a failed bid, but the vote was a meagre 0-19 instead. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 03:48, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Against

1. Against - There is no way unbanning Corn-boy would result in anything productive. --^A_O^R_D^M_O^P_R^I _! ^T 22:55, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
2. God no, fuck no, I made my points before this got wiped. Plenty of drama without bringing back the fucking Nazi. Sniper4625 #4625 - |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ^TMG 23:19, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
3. Against - Literal Nazi scum! And nice job deleting my post, you cowards. You apologists. You absolute schmucks. You holes in a raincoat. You worn out boots that give a poor Tommy trenchfoot. Need I go on. And anyone who votes for should be banned too. Igotmadenoughtomakeanewaccount (talk) 23:34, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
4. No, and get rid of his buddy asking here too. --Ocular 00:16, 17 August 2018 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Druuuuu (talk • contribs) at an unknown time.
5. Against - we do not need, nor have we ever needed, outright Nazis. The deleted messages in the Discord from the being in question were skin-crawling. FunkyFidel (talk) 01:13, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
6. Against - I fail to see why we should do anything he wants considering he clearly makes no effort to cultivate any kind of good will with anybody. Corn dude, if you're reading this -- why would we ever allow you back? Why would you ever think that anyone would vote for your return? Rethink your life. --Ɛňvϊoцᵴ (talk) 01:18, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
7. Against - Absolutely fucking not. --ShaqFu |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 02:21, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
8. Hell no - The whole point of unbanning someone is so that they can rejoin the wiki community (the permaban appeal policy even says as much). He outright said he has no intent to rejoin the wiki, so we have no reason to unban him from the wiki. And really, his intent hardly comes as a surprise, given what I said of him 7 years ago. In fact, it seems as if the only reason we're here at all is because Corn mistakenly took my suggestion that wiki permabans should apply to the Discord server as the way that things actually work. Even if they did work that way—which, again, they don't—he's clearly still up to the same old stupidity as before, he clearly isn't reformed, and he absolutely deserves to remain banned. —Aichon— 02:37, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
9. AGAINST. Fuck Nazis forever. --【ⅎooɹd ǝʌɐɥ ᴉ sʇɐoƃ sʍoʅʚ ⅎǝᴉɹɔuoɯ uǝɹɐʞ】 ☉ ☉ |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 02:52, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
10. AGAINST When bitches step up, I stomp bitch asses. -- ^{FoD PK Praise Rando!}03:10, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
11. Against - When he first joined the discord channel he seemed to have a genuine interest in how things had changed in UD and earnestly said he hadn't considered himself a nazi in years. That lasted about 5 minutes, and once prompted, he began spewing the same shit we've all heard before. And he hasn't let up since. He admitted many times he's just doing it to get a rise out of anyone who would pay him attention (and boy, did they). He's reverted to the exact same bullshit he did on this wiki, and likely several internet communities since.
    If he had turned a new leaf and there was any genuine indication he wanted back into the community, I would have considered it. But Jesus did he fuck that right up with nary a prod. THE CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER 13:45, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
12. Against. If anybody's got a track record to never get unbanned, it's Corn. Also, as Aichon said, he expressed no interest in rejoining the wiki community, just getting unbanned on discord — and as discord dictator, that ain't happening anyway. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 17:50, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
13. Against. Despite the constant game violence of UrbanDead, it is all in good fun and for the most part happens in a mature and friendly way. Hate speech and and racism do not have a place in this community, and certainly do not contribute positively to player interaction. AmericanMary 🛠 (talk) 19:42, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
14. Against - There's no good reason to unban him. JAZED (talk) 02:45, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
15. Against - I give no fucks about his politics/trolling.. I am voting against because he adds unnecessary work load to all of the people who maintain this community.Hate Crime 🎭 (talk) 22:36, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
16. Against - lmao how much of a sad sack of shit are you to want to play Urban Dead in 2018 AND be a nazi. ayyyyyyy lmao -- ► アー・ヒュージ・ゲイピング・バジャイナ◄ ^{スナック ストロング} 23:23, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
17. Against - No good reason to have him back. Nothing good could come from having him back. RogueRisker (talk) 00:54, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
18. Against - This is for pinging me on discord several times you asshole.--Yaboidanielkim (talk) 00:05, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
19. Against - Corn, I hope you do a DNA test and find out you have some minority group in your family history. -- LABIA on the INTERNET ^{Dunell Hills Corpseman} #24 - |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ^TMG 10:00, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
20. No. -- Cheese 06:38, 31 August 2018 (UTC) Vote struck as falling after the two-week span.

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