UDWiki:Administration/Vandal Banning/Archive/2011 03

This page is for the reporting of vandalism within the Urban Dead wiki, as defined by vandalism policy. On this wiki, the punishment for Vandalism is temporary banning, but due to security concerns, the ability to mete out this punishment is restricted to System Operators. As such, regular users will need to lodge a report for a Vandal to be banned from the wiki. For consistency and accountability, System Operators are requested to note on this board their actions in dealing with Vandals.

Guidelines for Vandalism Reporting

In dealing with Vandalism, time is often of the essence. As such, we ask that all users include the following information in a Vandalism report:

• A link to the pages in question.

Preferably bolded for visibility. If the Vandalism is occurring over a sufficiently large number of pages, instead include a time range of the vandalism attempt, or alternatively, a link to the first vandalised page. This allows us to quickly find the damage so we can quickly assess the situation.

• The user name of the Vandal.

This allows us to more easily identify the culprit, and to check details.

• A signed datestamp.

For accountability purposes, we ask that you record in your request your user name and the time you lodged the report.

• Please report at the top.

There's conflict with where to post and a lot of the reports are missed. If it's placed at the top of the page it's probably going to be seen and dealt with.

If you see Vandalism in progress, don't wait for System Operators to deal with it, as there may be no System Operator online at the time. Lodge the report, then start reverting pages back to their original form. This can be done by going to the "History" tab at the top of the page, and finding the last edit before the Vandal's attack. When a System Operator is available, they'll assess the situation, and if the report is legitimate, we will take steps to either warn the vandal, or ban them if they are on their second warning.

If the page is long, you can add new reports by editing the top report and placing your new report above its header in the edit screen.

Before Submitting a Report

• This page, Vandal Banning, deals with bad-faith breaches of official policy.
• Interpersonal complaints are better sorted out at UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration.
• As much as is practical, assume good faith and try to iron out problems with other users one to one, only using this page as a last resort.
• Avoid submitting reports which are petty.

Vandalism Report Space

Administration Notice Talk with the user before reporting or accusing someone of vandalism for small edits. In most cases it's simply a case of a new user that doesn't know how this wiki works. Sometimes assuming good faith and speaking with others can avoid a lot of drama, and can even help newbies feel part of this community. Administration Notice If you are not a System Operator, the user who made the vandal report, the user being reported, or directly involved in the case, the administration asks that you use the talk page for further discussion. Free-for-all commenting can lead to a less respectful environment. Administration Notice Warned users can remove one entry of their warning history every one month and 250 edits after their last warning. Remember to ask a sysop to remove them in due time. You are as responsible for keeping track of your history as the sysops are; In case of a sysop wrongly punishing you due to an outdated history, he might not be punished for his actions.

Spambots

Spambots are to be reported on this page. New reports should be added to the top. Reports may be purged after one week.

There were a bunch of spambit-looking account creations on the 17th, these are the live ones at present.

• HaroldBeaman (contribs | logs | block | del userpage | IP Check)
• HallieKetcham7 (contribs | logs | block | del userpage | IP Check)
• AlexanderNoyes7 (contribs | logs | block | del userpage | IP Check)--Cheese 17:51, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

  Damn I legit missed these, thanks. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 03:13, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

• Blocked a large surge of bots --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 01:08, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
• YasminLashbrook (contribs | logs | block | del userpage | IP Check) --VVV ^RPMBG 06:35, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
• LoganDos626 (contribs | logs | block | del userpage | IP Check) --VVV ^RPMBG 06:35, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

  Both done DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION 09:25, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

March 2011

User:Ashley Valentine

Ashley Valentine (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

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Editing another user's comment on an administration page. Oidar 12:46, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

This is easier. --Thadeous Oakley Talk 12:55, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism Enough with this shit already. --Thadeous Oakley Talk 12:56, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

It's my comment he edited and I really don't care. It's a single word that is still there, he left an explanation and it's a joke. Worth a vandalism case? nope. --Karloth Vois ^¯\(°_o)/¯ 13:04, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Soft warning - referenced the change in the reply, which looks more like a mistake by someone not knowing exactly what the guidelines are for editting texts of others. Still, it is something you shouldn't do. -- Spiderzed▋ 13:02, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism - even jokingly. similar precedent, for what it's worth -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 13:48, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Elsewhere on the wiki, then fine. We can drop this case if Karloth doesn't care. But on an Administration page? Vandalism. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 14:21, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism --Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 14:26, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

User:Karloth_vois

Karloth vois (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

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Edited another users User page without permission. As here, here and here. And he didn't even sign his post, the scoundrel. --Ash  ^{|  T  |  яя  |} 11:56, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

:/ --Karloth Vois ^¯\(°_o)/¯ 12:00, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Fixed the formatting for you, lazy bastard blighter! --Karloth Vois ^¯\(°_o)/¯ 12:05, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Censored your obscene language. --Ash  ^{|  T  |  яя  |} 12:07, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Wahandalism -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 12:20 21 March 2011 (BST)

Vandalism I'm just hoping the more we escalate you, the faster these stupid cases stop coming. BTW, Karloth is up for a 48 hour ban. --Thadeous Oakley Talk 12:54, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

*sigh* Vandalism. No, I'm not happy to escalate someone, but yes, it might be the only thing that puts a stop to this A/VB spamming. -- Spiderzed▋ 13:04, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 13:49, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 14:19, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism --Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 14:27, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

User:Ashley Valentine

Ashley Valentine (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

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Edited another users User page without permission. As here and here --^TCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 22:12, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

I want you to know I actually had his permission as he sent brain waves that measured 8.9 on the Richter Scale in my direction. --Ash  ^{|  T  |  яя  |} 22:17, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Moved legitimate discussion to the talk page

I withdraw this case?--^TCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 22:36, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Not Vandalism for now, until the user in question has reacted. Maybe he sees it as a testimonial, since it is clear that it is signed by someone else? If not, we can still grab Ash and break his fingers. -- Spiderzed▋ 22:37, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Thank you Spiderzed for that kind remark, I also want to take whoever moved the "crap to the talk page" to A/VB as it was actually very serious discussion that could effect the outcome of this case. Any advise would be appreciated. --Ash  ^{|  T  |  яя  |} 22:39, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Soft Warning Contacting him about the vandal case below is a good thing, but you follow it up with another "lulzy" joke. Don't edit user pages you have no right to. --Thadeous Oakley Talk 22:46, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

You loved mine and Karl's arbitration, and now you love this. I promise not to edit other peoples user pages without permission -- does this include talk pages too, or? --Ash  ^{|  T  |  яя  |} 22:56, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Obviously talk pages are always okay. --Thadeous Oakley Talk 23:07, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Unless there is an explicite restraining order by A/A, but we hadn't any of those in a while. -- Spiderzed▋ 23:11, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Not Vandalism A/VB iz srs bznss. Come back if when there is actual vandalism afoot. ~ _{22:59, 20 March 2011}

Vandalism - you know not to edit other people's user pages, especially not those who you are currently in disagreement with due to edits to your group page -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 02:08 21 March 2011 (BST)

Defendant is an old user and should already know editing other user's pages without permission is Vandalism. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 02:14, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism. And I can't believe I said 'precedonks' in that old case. -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 02:48, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

User:Nickizdaboss574

Nickizdaboss574 (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Verdict	Vandalism
Action taken	Warned

Edited Red Rum page without permission. String 'em up! ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 22:07, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Not Vandlaism -is being handled through his talk page by Ash so no need for escalation unless it turns into an edit war. ~ _{22:23, 20 March 2011}

Vandalism. User has been here for several months and should know better than to crappify a high-profile section as the leadership list. -- Spiderzed▋ 22:37, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism --Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 22:54, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Subsection!

Just thought I'd throw in another part to this, I read his contributions and noticed he added himself to BoSs's page aeons after they disappeared and also added people to their KoS list. While I'm fine talking to him on his talk (and user) page, I really can't account for crap he pulls on other people's pages. --Ash  ^{|  T  |  яя  |} 23:54, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism - this is the second group he has unilaterally claimed leadership of, with no indication that he even contacted them -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 02:06 21 March 2011 (BST)

Defendant, a user for several months, is not a part of the group, and as such, this is clearly Vandalism. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 02:14, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

If he's not part of the group, vandalism. -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 02:51, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Warned --Thadeous Oakley Talk 09:06, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

User:Rosslessness

Rosslessness (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

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This. See the case against TripleU. --VVV ^RPMBG 23:37, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Minor Vandalism - Recommend a soft warning. Most ridiculously minor offence of minor offences, but an offence nonetheless.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 00:17, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Minor offense. As Yon, soft warning should be issued. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 01:19, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Sneaky bastards. Soft warning. ~ _{01:56, 19 March 2011}

Vandalism Really should have known better. Also see below. --Thadeous Oakley Talk 11:58, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism. See Trips. -- Spiderzed▋ 12:09, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Not vandalism - remove any adds using this format, and send it to arbies if they complain -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 07:29 20 March 2011 (BST)

soft warning - I more or less agree with boxy besides the use of arbies. -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 13:50, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

User:Lady Clitoria

Lady Clitoria (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

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This. See the below case. --VVV ^RPMBG 23:37, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Minor Vandalism - Recommend a soft warning. Most ridiculously minor offence of minor offences, but an offence nonetheless.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 00:17, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Minor offense. As Yon, soft warning should be issued. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 01:19, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Soft warning. ~ _{01:56, 19 March 2011}

Vandalism See below. --Thadeous Oakley Talk 11:58, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism. See Trips. -- Spiderzed▋ 12:09, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Not vandalism - remove any adds using this format, and send it to arbies if they complain -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 07:29 20 March 2011 (BST)

soft warning - arbies is only viable at the moment because there is no actual rule in place regarding this. once one is established (hopefully sooner rather than later), it should be as clear cut as possible -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 13:51, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

User:TripleU

TripleU (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

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Attempting to provide a false timestamp on the recruitment page. This is against the spirit and arguably the letter of the page's rules:

Category:Recruitment#Format_for_Posting_Adverts says:

The advert must have a timestamp (five tildes - ~~~~~) or a signature with an attached timestamp. This can be placed either on this page or on your adverts page.

The edits were purposely harmful to the wiki:

• The intent of the edits was to game the system to help the respective editors and their groupies.
• The content of the edits was to destroy the ability of the wiki to determine the activity of the groups and present this valuable reference information to anyone browsing the page.

I therefore believe that all three users acted in bad faith and should each receive an escalation. --VVV ^RPMBG 23:37, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism. Has happened a few times by newbs/casual users, and has in virtually all cases been resolved by simple ad deletion and wrist-slapping. But with all three of those, I'm sure they knew what they were doing. And personally, I'm a bit disappointed as someone who has to keep up several ads all by himself regularly. -- Spiderzed▋ 00:06, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

On a related note, I took down all ads that were still illegal (i.e. SFHNAS and super-1337 whatever). Be ensured that I keep a very, very close eye on any re-installation of those. -- Spiderzed▋ 00:10, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Minor Vandalism - Recommend a soft warning. Most ridiculously minor offence of minor offences, but an offence nonetheless.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 00:17, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

And was revenant ever done for his on Hard Knock Life, because I can't find a case and I'm too tired to try really hard.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 00:22, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

It wasn't Revenant, it was Speels. And it was resolved off-site by me as a regular user asking HKL's leader about it, and then simply re-coding and removing the ad without any administrative red tape. Regardless, it was never entered on A/VB, so it never became a matter for A/VB. -- Spiderzed▋ 00:18, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

I think he means as per this convo in which I'm really sure nothing was done, because I presume Aichon wouldn't have wanted to take action (lest A/VB) when there wasn't a clear consensus at the time over whether it was allowed or not. -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 00:55, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

No, I was talking about what Spiderzed was talking about. :P And it was Revenant, and since when does it being reverted make it not vandalism?--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 01:02, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

You... you serious? Since when does it being reverted make it vandalism? -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 01:13, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Stand corrected about the actual includer (which I couldn't remember over the half year since I've been involved). Still, the matter was resolved outside of A/VB, and any other administrative process for that matter. Not sure what the outcome would have been if it had been taken there back in the day. -- Spiderzed▋ 01:14, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

My point was that if reverting it would be acceptable then, then just revert it now. But, having read the discussion DDR linked to, Rev clearly didn't know it was bad at the time, so probably not vandalisms in his case.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 14:44, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Just because something can be resolved outside of A/VB doesn't necessarily mean that it wouldn't be deemed as vandalism when it's brought up as a proper case. Take group members messing with each others userspace page, which is clear-cut vandalism when brought up as case, but as long as it goes unreported, most likely won't be ruled on. - In that particular case, I felt that using A/VB would have been overblown, since I could simply contact the HKL guy and get that out of the way. In a different case, I might have preferred to get it cleared up in a more official way and to see an escalation applied along the way for good measure. -- Spiderzed▋ 15:39, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

While removing these ads should definitely be the case for any instance of using magic words, I really don't know whether it's something that should have an A/VB precedent created for it. Trying to game the system like that has always been dog but it's their ad that's going to be removed and I don't even think I'd bother calling it bad faith, just trying to weave around a rule to make things more convenient for themselves, not inhibit others business on the wiki. If I ruled vandalism it'd only be for a soft warning anyway, unless I'm convinced by further discussion that the recruitment page is still considered such serious business that people should have their ad removed and be escalated. -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 00:20, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Minor offense. As Yon, soft warning should be issued. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 01:19, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Could you please start making a habit of bolding your rulings? I know you usually never bold stuff for some reason like on A/DE, but here you really should. Especially on the more longer, opinion-split cases, your ruling could easily be overlooked or misinterpreted as regular input. While you're free to do as you please, I hope you take this in consideration for clarity's sake. --Thadeous Oakley Talk 12:04, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Soft warning.~ _{01:56, 19 March 2011}

I like how everyone is completely ignoring the fact that he reported himself for what has got to be one of the most petty excuses for a case of vandalism I have ever seen. It seems to be more of an attempt to create a precedent for this sort of thing in VB so that it can be trotted out in future against anyone else who tries this. In my opinion this would make the posting of this case bad faith in itself and worthy of an escalation. Just my thoughts. -- Cheese 11:24, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Who says we're ignoring it? It's mostly irrelevant. Report him if you think it's bad faith, personally I don't really care since the case in itself is a good discussion point but whether it should be here is subjective. -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 11:29, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Unless it's for the reason I suggested, then it's entirely relevant. ;p Either way, pretty sure there would have been a much better place for him to start a discussion rather than spamming up VB. -- Cheese 11:35, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

While I do agree with you, the idea of warning him for it would be pretty nasty since the case is at least getting a soft warning on the perpetrators, now I think about it. -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 11:53, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

What discussion (beyond punishment) exactly? It's simply against the rules, and pretty obvious at that, Period. --Thadeous Oakley Talk 11:57, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

It's more the fact that there was no real need to bring it here at all. Triple U reporting himself just reeks of ulterior motives to me. -- Cheese 12:10, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, it could probably have been resolved in a less drama-heavy way, as practically all other violations of this before. However, Trips felt strongly enough about it to bring it here, so it deserves to be judged as A/VB material. (And I'd get a much more fishy vibe if he had secretly snuck out the magic code and then ommitted to report himself.) -- Spiderzed▋ 12:15, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Or just being honest and consistent, perhaps. Look at the dates; Lady Clitoria is the latest, at 2 March this month. Maybe Triple saw it and thought it was vandalism. Then he checked the other groups, found Ross and found that he did exactly the same almost a year ago in August. Makes sense to me. Maybe you're right, but I don't consider my theory that farfetched. --Thadeous Oakley Talk 12:19, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism While not the worst things you could do wrong, the fact that they intentionally game'd the system makes me believe a soft warning is to soft. This isn't some loophole, or mistake, the rules are very clear and it's pretty obvious they knew what they were doing and they should have known better. They took their chances, and now they should take their responsibility. --Thadeous Oakley Talk 11:57, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism - why the fuck would you bring this here? It is obviously against the rules of the page, and as such, any recruitment add using {{CURRENTMONTH}} can be removed without notice. And yet you did it yourself, and reported yourself. Just remove the offending adds, and if push comes to shove, go to arbies -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 07:28 20 March 2011 (BST)

User:KKK

KKK (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Verdict	ban avoidance
Action taken	perma

Obvious Cornhole is obvious. Oidar 20:36, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism. ~ _{20:41, 15 March 2011}

I'm pretty sure we delete contributions of vandal alts like these, not protect them. By that I mean his talk page along with the crap images he uploaded. --Thadeous Oakley Talk 21:12, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Go ahead then. I just protected it because it was created and that's a scheduled protection. I couldn't find it in policy that perma alt's talk pages are scheduled deletions but if there is precedent then go for it. ~ _{21:16, 15 March 2011}

Done. If you want precedent, there's a truck load, but you can start by checking out last months nazi vandals. --Thadeous Oakley Talk 21:28, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

User:DER FUHRER

DER FUHRER (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Verdict	Ban Avoidance
Action taken	Perma

Slapped a 2 hour ban to stop the vandal spree. Likely a Cornhole alt. Obvious vandlism is vandalism. ~ _{20:19, 15 March 2011}

No perma for account used just for vandalisum?--^TCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 20:22, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Yeah just had to do a check to confirm. Also kind of in the middle of something else. ~ _{20:41, 15 March 2011}

User:Lawliet Yraola

Lawliet Yraola (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Verdict	Vandalism
Action taken	Warned

Impersonation. --VVV ^RPMBG 23:26, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism - Warned. ~ 23:45, 7 March 2011

Not Vandalism - Warning retracted. Should probs have checkusered before warning. -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 01:03, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Also, remember to link to case when A/VDing :( -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 01:04, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Actually, fucking facepalm at myself. I've just read the discussion this case was involved in. Was said user trying to pass an alt account off as an enemy, and then accidentally signed as the wrong one?? Ugh, fail ddr. -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 01:07, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

(and you did checkuser him before issuing the warning anyways, so sorry about the above) -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 01:13, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Looking at the checkuser logs, it seems like Lawliet was purposefully speaking with a forked tongue. I'm really on the fence about this one, since it is at the same time an underhanded use of wiki alts and likely done in bad faith, but also futile (RRF doesn't go out of its way to kill mouthy harmanz or do favours for strangers), not one of the established clear-cut wiki alt abuses and something done by a newb. However, I think the bad faith part is the decisive one, and thus, Vandalism. -- Spiderzed▋ 01:22, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

It's really going to be a discussion point here. Had I realised she was deliberately masking her alts to deceive, I probably wouldn't have mentioned it and therefore I might be misconducted for this (which I won't mind). I don't know the extent of this entire thing so I can't tell what is the right thing to do just now especially since a case exactly like this hasn't come up at all that I can remember. -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 01:28, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

At least I won't drag either of you to misconduct. I could see Vapor's reasoning for acting swiftly to put a stop to this show, but also your reasoning for withdrawing the warning, as this could be a complicated topic. There was no clear-cut "right" approach in this one. -- Spiderzed▋ 01:35, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Vap didn't do anything wrong. he used checkuser but I'm pretty sure he didn't check the IP which revealed the alts L is using. Hence, his view of the case was a textbook case of vandalism and there's nothing wrong with insta-ruling on that case. With a tie in votes, the end ruling is not vandalism so when contested the ruling should go down. Besides a possible checkuser breach of privacy by myself, everything here is dandy but perhaps wait for another ruling by an op before reinstating the warning, methinks? -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 01:38, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

One former op has already disagreed with my reasoning on the talk page, so you can bet that I wait a bit to the give the rest a chance to add their opinion. No need to jump the gun twice. -- Spiderzed▋ 01:42, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

It's not checkuser abuse, it's relevant to it not being impersonation. Any not Vandalism ruling would have required as much. --Karek^maps?! 01:44, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. My thoughts were the same until I realised it was a deliberate cover and not just some noob who was signing as say, a lost account or on their known alts behalf. Aware of cases like this, I was open to the idea of being put forward for wrongly revealing checkuser info. But in retrospect they pretty much shot themself in the foot by cocking up the signing and putting their accounts in this situation. -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 03:55, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

You're covered on this stuff usually. When it's part of an active VB case and relevant to decisions, that kind of thing is a lot less sensitive than when it's pulled out of the blue in spite. Talking about checkuser info for a VB case concerning misuse of alts is par for the course, and I'd probably spit blood if I saw someone seriously take an op to A/M for doing their job properly based on an irrelevant "precedent". Anyway, with the case at hand, I'm inclined to agree with Vapor and Spider, as this seems a deliberate, albeit failed, attempt to misuse alts in a sockpuppet manner. Vandalism. Also keep an eye on account activity for the next few days maybe, if one alt is mostly a sock it should be banned as part of this escalation. No need to hit one now in case they end up being used right. 04:27, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Yeah thourough checkusering after the warning was issued revealed what was going on and I'm fine withdrawing the impersonation ruling since its obvious it is not. However, like Spidey I believe its still a bad faith issue. Coupled with nefarious alt use, I'm still ruling vandlaism. ~ 03:37, 8 March 2011

Vandalism - while using a wiki alt is not encouraged, it is still allowed. However, when they are used to attempt decieve an enemy, that is bad faith. Seems clear that this is the intent here, so the alt should be banned, and the main account gets an escalation, and it's not a breach of privacy to reveal who owns the main account either -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 12:22 8 March 2011 (BST)

Vandalism --Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 15:44, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Tallying this after 5 rulings in, we are at a 4:1 majority for a warning (assuming DDR sticks with NV). Of the usual suspects on A/VB, only Ross and Thad are missing. Unless someone beats me to it or this gets surprisingly overturned, I will set the verdict and issue a proper warning in some hours. -- Spiderzed▋ 16:00, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

So Lawliet Yraola has replied to the previous warning posted on their talk page and appears to be claiming that they are not using alts. It should be noted since it may affect actions taken. We're possibly in ban avoidance territory now. ~ 16:13, 8 March 2011

Because of the confusing nature of the "impersonation" I don't think Vapor should have insta-warned especially since there was no direct threat to speak off, but beside that everything else has been said, so I'll leave it at that. --Thadeous Oakley Talk 16:30, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

I think I should have used check user before issuing the warning rather than after. The insta-warning was because it appears to be clear-cut vandalism without looking deep into check-user results. ~ _{16:38, 8 March 2011}

I have nothing of any real value to comment. Hi Karek, good to see you. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 16:32, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm fence sitting with this one because I think alt abuse on this scale is sort of harmless in most ways except politically (that's assuming she isn't zerging ingame alongside this), so having acknowledged the views of either side, I'll probably just leave my ruling as Not Vandalism but Warn her as per the vote. As for the alt, I'd prefer it not banned because bar the act from the combined accounts (which I put as an action from her main account) it hasn't really vandalised, my personal preference is to just tell her the rules about alts and honesty and not vandalising, but I'd prefer we have a casual vote over it to see what should be done with it. I haven't banned the alt in the meantime. -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 22:26, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Ahhh...first I am a man....and second I am sorry about it...the account is not mine. The email is mine but the urbandead account is not. This account belongs to my cousin...so sorry for the big fuss...won't happen again...there is also one thing you should know...another account that uses my other email does not belong to me...this belong to my friend who I allowed to use my email to verify his account.....--The End

We're talking about IP addresses here. The accounts were accessed from the same computer. And why on earth would you let other people use your email address to begin with? -- Cheese 15:23, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Because my cousin doesn't have an email account....well my friend has one but forgot his pass...so I let him used mine...and my cousin and I use the same computer....we live in one house and use one computer....--The End

So, all of your group members we've so far seen, can't work out how to sign on the wiki in exactly the same way (despite being able to work out how to use a different display names to their wiki-user name), consistantly use elipses in a similar (incorrect) way, and all post using the same IP address (nothing to do with the email address)? What a coincidence -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 11:10 10 March 2011 (BST)

Huh...so you're calling me a liar...it's because they are lazy readers....I only tell them what I know...look I don't want to argue about this...so do whatever punishment you want to do...Intereo per poena quod Vereor mos hunt vos , pro EGO sum Terminus vos mos sentio Moestitia ut vos intereo of ultimate poena. Vos mos sentio Rabies of meus affectus. Tripudium mos nunquam fulsi super vos.

--The End

Actually, they are very careful readers. The...constant...misuse...of...ellipses...by...both...accounts is something that we've never seen before. It would seem strange that both accounts using the same IP address would make the same mistake and not draw suspicion. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 13:12, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

oh, and I'd have used Nos, instead of Mos. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 13:55, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Yay, spouting gibberish in order to... umm... I dunno, what exactly was the point of that again? To sum up, yes, I'm calling you a liar, and if you don't want to argue, then just STFU. Oh, and learn to sign -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 11:01 11 March 2011 (BST)

I knew you had a connection to Major David Zero. You really should learn to sign. By the way, have you ever heard of a group named Blackhawk Nation? -- †  talk ? f.u. 13:28, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Completely ... different misuse of ellipses ... --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 15:56, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Oh. They had spaces. -- †  talk ? f.u. 13:25, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Obviously, he was repeatedly omitting the clause "I am a zerg"--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 08:24, 14 March 2011 (UTC)