User talk:Suicidalangel

Main ‡ Converse me ‡ Sand Castles ‡ Need Assylum? ‡ POW Æ The two and only rules: I'm the only one allowed to use blinking text, and the rules are subject to my smallest whims. If you're not smart enough to figure out this is my talk page, then leave. Now. If you do stay to chat, don't be an ass. A/PM#Cyberbob Got any objections to it? Linkthewindow  Talk  11:50, 19 June 2009 (BST) Nothing that would honestly keep him from being promoted. Of course he should separate his abuse from his sysops actions, but that shouldn't be a problem. I'm also a bit worried about his behavior completely degenerating once he becomes an op, but now that we have precedence for demoting bad ops, that's also not a problem. What about you? Your thoughts and opinions?--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 00:19, 21 June 2009 (BST) That's pretty much my thoughts. He's clearly got the experience needed for the role, and seems to have the wiki's best interests at heart. As long as he keeps his trolling separate from his admin duties, I'm fine with his promontion (and as you've said, we've got precedent for demoting bad ops, even if it is a drama minefield.) Unless you've got any last-minute thoughts, I'll do the heavy-lifting on A/PM soon. Linkthewindow  Talk  00:30, 21 June 2009 (BST) And done. See, you can be lazy this time :P Linkthewindow  Talk  01:09, 21 June 2009 (BST) I wasn't a bad op, prick.--xoxo 10:03, 21 June 2009 (BST) (yes you were) --Cyberbob 12:20, 21 June 2009 (BST) i know right?--xoxo 12:24, 21 June 2009 (BST) make up your mind plz. either you deny being a bad sysop or you dont --Cyberbob 12:25, 21 June 2009 (BST) Depends who you ask. --xoxo 12:29, 21 June 2009 (BST) FYI: Bid archived here. By the way, 5 promotion bids? Really? Isn't there a limit on this sort of thing? --Blake Firedancer T E RNL? P.I.S.I.T. 10:05, 21 June 2009 (BST) It's probably a bit early to archive it :). No, there's no limit (and consider that Bob's been around since 2006.) Linkthewindow  Talk  10:13, 21 June 2009 (BST) Don't archive it so soon! DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 10:28, 21 June 2009 (BST) fuck off cunt--xoxo 10:34, 21 June 2009 (BST) I'll fight you. DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 10:36, 21 June 2009 (BST) I'll win.--xoxo 10:37, 21 June 2009 (BST) Your head's bigger. I'll have more to punch. DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 10:43, 21 June 2009 (BST) I'll strangle you with your hair.--xoxo 10:45, 21 June 2009 (BST) I'm trying right now, doesn't work, it isn't that long yet. Maybe you should use my penis instead. DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 10:50, 21 June 2009 (BST) You never know what yer missing until its gone This place is so much shittier since they've gone. I need to goto the waffle house and drawn my sorrows in some pie, and some sad country songs on the jukebox, hoping oneday Grim and Karek can return.--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens 15:31, 16 June 2009 (BST) Grim probably killed himself, hope this helps --Cyberbob 15:32, 16 June 2009 (BST) At least we can get karke back.--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 15:40, 16 June 2009 (BST) Would he really come back? I have serious doubts. I noticed a lot of country music on anime's last fm. he now reminds me of some sort of crazy hick from the southern states. DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 13:50, 19 June 2009 (BST) Bobs, you know grim's still around in UD, right? --DTPK 04:11, 23 June 2009 (BST) Even if he is (which I wouldn't doubt), that doesn't change the fact that Karke is as well, but neither of them are here with ussssss. bawwwww DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 05:16, 23 June 2009 (BST) Meh What's your thoughts on it? I can't see you thinking he needs to be promoted now, so unless you respond quickly, I'll close the case in the next few hours. It doesn't pass A/PM crit 2 anyway, and there's precident for closing cases that are obvoiusly going to get rejected. I'll leave this here for a while then, and if I don't catch you on IRC between now and tommorow morning, I'll close it then. Linkthewindow  Talk  11:42, 15 June 2009 (BST) Hurry up and give your input, SA >:( Linkthewindow  Talk  12:16, 16 June 2009 (BST) Just Wondering... Hi SA, long time no speak. I was just rummaging through my email and I found out about the arbi case you started a while back against the guy who used blinking text, then I noticed how your sig now says 'Mr. Angel'. I remembered our conversation a while back about how your name sounds feminine, and I can't help but ask; did you change it to Mr Angel to avoid people making assumptions? ----Ash  |  T  |  яя  | 10:28, 13 June 2009 (BST) You're one to talk about feminine nicknames. --Cyberbob 12:01, 13 June 2009 (BST) That thing is a MAN??!?!!? Oh shit! DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 13:04, 13 June 2009 (BST) ashley can be a man's name to!!! (ashleigh is the solely girls name you idoit!!!!!) --Cyberbob 13:07, 13 June 2009 (BST) My best friend's name is Ashley, and I still forgot that... DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 13:07, 13 June 2009 (BST) I know a guy called Ashely. He dresses up as a girl sometimes :/ Linkthewindow  Talk  15:04, 13 June 2009 (BST) loll --Cyberbob 16:15, 13 June 2009 (BST) To be honest, I changed it more because irl friends started calling me Mr. (insert last name) a lot, and I just kind of carried that over here.--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 16:35, 13 June 2009 (BST) Arbies Please see your arbies case for an interim ruling -- boxy talk • teh rulz 23:47 11 June 2009 (BST) arbies talk page, i answered your question to boxy ;) --xoxo 09:22, 15 June 2009 (BST) A ruling has been made, basically, just keep away from each other for a while, s'ok -- boxy talk • teh rulz 22:47 22 June 2009 (BST) Promotion Bid - Cyberbob Well maybe, if we stop voting for sysops who are aggressive and abuse their power, then such a wonderful place might exist. Oh, and I added an archive.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 07:41, 11 June 2009 (BST) If sysops abuse their power they are taken to Misconduct. Civility has nothing to do with any of a sysop's powers. --Cyberbob 08:59, 11 June 2009 (BST) Most of the cases on Misconduct are about sysops.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 10:46, 12 June 2009 (BST) As it says on the top of the misconduct page "This page is for the reporting of administrator (sysop) misconduct within the Urban Dead wiki." Its hardly surprising most of the misconduct cases are about sysops. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 10:56, 12 June 2009 (BST) Sorry, I didn't get that out right. There are cases against sysops at least once a week. You'd logically expect there to be cases of sysops abusing their power once every couple of months at the most.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 11:21, 12 June 2009 (BST) Well this is it, we have so many policies, guidelines and people, we are always questioned. They normally appear in cycles. Get 6 at once, then a month or two of nothing. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 11:25, 12 June 2009 (BST) Sorry but I don't quite get the connection between the volume of Misconduct cases and the whole civility thing? --Cyberbob 12:40, 12 June 2009 (BST) Oh no, this isn't about civility, this is just SA having a lolzfit because I said the words "Abuse of power" in the middle of one sentence.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 23:31, 13 June 2009 (BST) Lolzfit? Oh, that's rich. I made a single joke comment about it, and everyone else pounces on you while I ignore this section, yet some how I'm having a lolzfit over this? What, do you think just because Iscariot said all the sysops were bad and that we pick on people it means we do? Lolzfit my ass.--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 00:34, 14 June 2009 (BST) Also, you're being a nice little troll lately. For someone who got after bob for being uncivil and reactive towards someone else, you sure are acting a lot like him. Not to mention that your logic makes no sense.--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 00:43, 14 June 2009 (BST) Oh, and to top the icing on the cake, I looked back at my comment on your page. I didn't say anything about power abuse. You did. I said that the ops team isn't always fair, neutral or kind. None of that is explicitly an abuse of power. You can be biased and still make a ruling which isn't biased, which wouldn't be abusive in power. You can be unfair and not follow the vandal ladder when you feel a user doesn't really deserve that escalation. That's not being abusive, that's being compassionate. True abuse is something that rarely happens on this wiki. But keep going on your raegft about how the sysops are abusive, aggressive, and generally pick on people. Because I am so all over you about that comment of yours. Yep. So on it that I haven't bothered to say anything else about it until now.--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 00:50, 14 June 2009 (BST) Sorry, firstly, I meant Ross, I simply assuemd it was you because this is your talk page. Secondly, I never said you said anything about abuse of power, I said you (but it was actually Ross) got annoyed because I said Abuse of power. Thirdly, since I act like that, you'll notice I do not apply for Sysop positions. I made the point of opposing what he was doing entirely because he was. Finally, explain how Zombie Lord's suggestion (Not the above one, zombie Lord's) is anythign but what I said.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 13:52, 14 June 2009 (BST) Ross is having the lolzfit now? Doesn't seem like it. He made a single sarcastic comment, and another one simply talking about the misconduct cycle. Lolzfit that is not. Now, lets take a looksie at this quote: "Oh no, this isn't about civility, this is just SA having a lolzfit because I said the words "Abuse of power" in the middle of one sentence.--Yonnua Koponen T G P 23:31, 13 June 2009 (BST) " My bold. Based off of that, it is logically sound to assume that I brought it up and was saying things about it. I mean, I don't see how you could even mess up and say something like that if I hadn't even talked about it. Even if you're not running for ops, it's still pretty sad that you'll complain about the lack of civility of the ops, then go ahead and troll people yourself. You ever think that maybe, the reason why we come off as dickish and abusive is because a lot of users act that way towards us or others in general? It doesn't matter if they're running for ops or not get off your high horse hypocrit, don't bitch at another user for something if you're guilty of the same behavior. You know why your logic is stupid? Because you're trolling and flaming him with no real justification. Lets take a look at another of your lovely quotes:":::::::People being annoyed by someone posting stupid ideas that have nothing to do with the game? What are you talking about? (Comment directed only at ZL)--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 20:09, 13 June 2009 (BST)". In this quote you're flaming him because he added a new idea that hasn't been introduced into the game before. Hmmm. What seems wrong with that justification? Oh, that's right. Half the damn ideas in the game were not in the game from the start. Please tell me why his suggestion is bad or whatever simply because it "has nothing to do with the game"? It's hard to suggest something that's already in-game without it being a dupe. The confused idiocy you have been spouting on here is marvelous. Please, do go on with it.--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 17:14, 14 June 2009 (BST) Point 1: That's the same quote as before, but that's beside the point. Also, I used the word "lolzfit" to determine someone having a go, but not in a serious way, which appears to be what he was doing. Also, the whole confusion of who I was talking to was merely because Ross' sig kind of vanishes on this page, and it's your page, so I just assumed you were the one I was talking to. I amended this later. And I did not flame him because he was suggesting something which wasn't what the game is presently like, I was flaming him for suggesting repeatedly that we replace Malton with his Hardcore City, which doesn't have anything to do with the game, and is a completely new game. The method of healing he suggested would be completely resetting the whole of Malton, in a way which made the game completely different from how it presently operates. Said system would make very little sense, as it was made to rely on other aspects of his hardcore city, which would not be able to be implemented without creating a whole new city. Suggesting that is obviously ridiculous, so I felt that it was worthy of being shot down. If he wants to make his city, he should make his own game. It's fine when he's making coherent suggestions, but I just don't think him suggesting that we make it so that FAKs are useless is worth implementation.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 11:33, 15 June 2009 (BST) I think it is noble that you have actively decided to not seek a promotion onto the sysop team. We would have loved you to have been a part of this biased, horrible and uncivil team, but I guess your inevitable promotion had to have been stopped somehow, lest you turn into one of us. DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 17:16, 14 June 2009 (BST) I never said biased, I never said horrible. I said that some members were impolite, which has sparked a miraculous problem. I never meant the whole team, and the point was that I didn't want someone impolite added to the team. Since such, Cyberbob and I have recommunicated these problems, and sorted otu the problem.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 11:33, 15 June 2009 (BST) Many of the actual cases aren't about abuse of power, but guideline/policy violation. It's rare when a sysop actually steps over the line and attempts a coup. Most of the time it is just THIS page says this and you didn't follow it to the letter. Also, consider the source of most of the cases. Many are frequent fliers. --– Nubis NWO 14:29, 12 June 2009 (BST) Bob's right. Incivility =/= power abuse. Linkthewindow  Talk  10:45, 11 June 2009 (BST) This place will never be wonderful. DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 10:25, 11 June 2009 (BST) Edit war Yeah, it was an edit war on The Brookes Arms, and you saved me from it. But I assume that I'd have to be a "sysop" to furthur edit the page?--Bishop Vagancia I 20:46, 8 June 2009 (BST) As of now, yes. Once confirmed that the war is going to be stopped it will be unprotected. I'm busy at the moment though.--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 20:47, 8 June 2009 (BST) That's fine. Thanks a billion. Later.--Bishop Vagancia I 21:00, 8 June 2009 (BST) No problem. I'll take a look when I'm not busy.--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 21:03, 8 June 2009 (BST) navigation template Template_talk:Navigation#Merchandise_Link --People's Commissar Hagnat [talk] [wcdz] 22:10, 7 June 2009 (BST) Site host A WHOIS lookup on the new server's IP shows it is still provided by Poundhost. Just so you know when you meddle/fix/eradicate the TOU later. --  RoosterDragon  01:52, 9 June 2009 (BST) Wiki Cookies...? Rolfero-Wiki-Cookies! Rolfero baked you some wiki-cookies! A FREE COOKIE Conndraka has given Suicidalangel a cookie for because he can. It seemed like a good Idea… Conndraka has given Suicidalangel a crackpipe because nothing goes better with cookies than a little crack. a/a show me the precedent please. No one else has linked any and you might not have spotted my comment what with the two page moves it's had since then.--xoxo 03:07, 10 June 2009 (BST) Precedent of what?--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 03:22, 10 June 2009 (BST) People starting arbies cases specifically to have someone banned from editing their talk page!!!--xoxo 04:11, 10 June 2009 (BST) Ah. Sorry. There was a lot of stuff said, and a lot of comments moved, you know. Now, while there is only a single case (that I could remember or easily find. There needs to be some more organization there) of one user wanting another user to leave him alone, and that he ended up dropping it, it does not mean I am not allowed. There's a bit of precedence, and overall there is user name-space rights. We can make our rules, and if we want, we can have most of them backed up by arbies, and thus A/VB. Sure, the rules aren't used very often, but precedence isn't needed to follow the rules you know.--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 04:40, 10 June 2009 (BST) I just disagree with the principal of shutting him out. I mean if everytime you logged on he'd fucked with your page but it seems to be he's just nooby...--xoxo 05:06, 10 June 2009 (BST) I ask you to look into a user named Zinker, and what remains of his past after the history purge. Noob, even now. But cause me hell he did. Him and all his socks and "friends". Noob is no excuse. I don't want him on my pages if I can help it.--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 05:19, 10 June 2009 (BST) Well that was a fun trip down memory lane, so is this zinker dude still around? and so he's a retard noob, you get them on the wiki, just ban blinking text from the whole fucking wiki and everyone will be a lot happier.--xoxo 05:37, 10 June 2009 (BST) He comes around occasionally, but I've pretty much drove him away, along with the ops team because he was a dick. It's not just the blinking text though, I just don't want Thad on my page anymore. I'm not dick enough to remove blinking text from the wiki, because in some places it looks nice, even if I can't really look at it right now. Some people use it, I don't right now. No need to take that any farther. But the Thad thing? Finishing it up because I want it to go through.--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 05:52, 10 June 2009 (BST) Formal request... And with A and B prepped for the project I beleive I've surpassed the necessary edits to have at least 1 of the vandal warnings stricken. Conndrakamod TAZM CFT 04:04, 10 June 2009 (BST) Wait, all that for a vandal warning? Fuck man, just edit every once in awhile. ><. I'll strike it. :/ --Mr. Angel, Help needed? 04:09, 10 June 2009 (BST) borderline vandalism.--xoxo 05:18, 10 June 2009 (BST) EVIL Suicidal, I'm Poodle of Doom. I don't think we have ever spoken before. I have seen you around a lot. You are one of the few people left on the wiki that's still here after I came back from my Hiatus. I've taken the last year of the game off. Needless to say, I was wondering if your in a group at all? My new group is looking for allies.... -Poodle of doom 04:14, 10 June 2009 (BST) I still remember you though. It's nice to see people come back, glad to see you. Alas though, I've got my hands full with Batshit Insane, the Gore Corps, and the new group I'll be starting soon. Wish I had an alt to spare.--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 04:18, 10 June 2009 (BST) Though I asked not for a member, but a group for an ally. Do you have one of those to spare? :) -Poodle of doom 04:21, 10 June 2009 (BST) So I see! Sorry, tired. :/. But anywho, as of right now, my groups are zombie groups, so we wouldn't be allying ourselves with Harmanz. But the group I will be starting, the NMC, will be a PKer/zombie group, if I can get it off the ground. I'd be happy to ally you then. Before then, groups like Red Rum and the like might be a good choice to talk to.--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 04:27, 10 June 2009 (BST) However,.... mine is a Human Zed Alliance, PKer Greifer Group. Exactly. While Red Rum are pure PKer, that bunch is crazy and would probably welcome an alliance, as long you guys plan to have fun!--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 05:17, 10 June 2009 (BST) EVIL IS GOOD This user or group believes that the bad guys can sometimes be the good guys. How to make a suggetion Hey, I don't know who to ask anymore and you might know.... I have a few suggetions to make for the game, and I don't know how the suggetions work anymore. They all use to be on the same page, but the rules have changed, and they're a little tricky now. They're all like "Make this page, add this group box to that flagbox with this link,..." and blah blah blag..... Could you put it in simple english for me? -Poodle of doom 01:05, 14 June 2009 (BST) Alright, step by step. Edit this page and add this: {{Subst:NewSug|SUGGESTION NAME}} where it says to. Once that is done, click on the red link it will produce, the one with the same name as your suggestion. it will take you to a blank page that you should click edit if it hasn't already triggered the edit function for you. Once editing you should paste this: {{SugHead}} Done with that, you then press preview, then follow the instructions provided by the template. Good?--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 01:17, 14 June 2009 (BST) Don't forget DS, sa... DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 14:21, 14 June 2009 (BST) Thanks! -Poodle of doom 16:47, 14 June 2009 (BST) DS isn't required, and people seem to want discussion to take place in the voting system. Because boxxxy is dum. :( --Mr. Angel, Help needed? 16:54, 14 June 2009 (BST) It isn't required, but don't pretend it won't do Poodle of Doom any good. You're only forcing him/her through the hard way. DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 17:12, 14 June 2009 (BST) I never said it won't do any good, and besides, you covered it anyway. :P --Mr. Angel, Help needed? 17:15, 14 June 2009 (BST) Thanks Thanks for doing that, its appreciated...--The Shoemaker Talk Red Faction 20:00, 14 June 2009 (BST) Guess who? Its been too long. Far too long. And so I decided I'd pay another little visit to see if you've had those talks with wiki staff you said you would. ;P Neozumi 23:59, 4 July 2009 (BST) MisterGame I would suggest (because boxy isn't going to change his ruling) waiting to see if he starts pestering you again once the arbitration period is over. If he does, take him back to arby's; I'll bet you'd stand a much greater chance of having the ban being permanent once he's shown that the temp one was futile. --Cyberbob 03:18, 6 July 2009 (BST) Yeah, I know. I just don't get why I should have to deal with it ever again if I decide I don't want to. I could understand a partial ban if I was still going to go about my duties as an op in full force when it comes to him, but I'm not and I don't plan to. blab alb ignored user rights bla bla and shit.--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 03:28, 6 July 2009 (BST) Eh Shouldnt this be changed as per this?? --xoxo 14:04, 6 July 2009 (BST) Right you are, just changed it. Thanks.--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 00:31, 7 July 2009 (BST) about your question God, why the hell are you all so desperate to preserve a picture of a cumming dick? Is everyone so desperate for gay porn? - One word: freedom. Freedom to send whatever i want to the wiki, freedom to have fun, freedom to make fun of others inside this game enviroment. I'd rather defend this freedom when the subject were boobs, but one cant always decide what to bear during a fight. --People's Commissar Hagnat [talk] [wcdz] 22:13, 7 July 2009 (BST) Thanketh thee for thine input.--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 22:19, 7 July 2009 (BST) Also, that was a joke by the way. I don't know if you got that when I made the phrase all ye olde english.--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 00:05, 8 July 2009 (BST) A/PM#The_Rooster Got any objections to it? (I, obviously, don't so if you don't think this needs any discussion and want to go right ahead, do so.) Do it, faggot Linkthewindow  Talk  15:41, 11 July 2009 (BST) come back. the counting thread demands it!----Sexualharrison 18:20, 15 July 2009 (BST) A/VB do you really believe that my response to Bob and DDR's nonsense rulings (since over turned) were in bad faith? I would like to ask you to look again at my reasons for posting and see if you honestly think I was wrong. If that will not sway you then I would ask you to look again at the actual rules for posting and please explain why my post is worthy of a vandalism charge when the pages rules (and precedence) are clearly against such a ruling. --Honestmistake 02:01, 18 July 2009 (BST) A rant from Giles Okay, I am here to give you a piece of my mind in regards to your vote on the civility guide and how I perceive your actions. Before criticizing you, I want you to know that I'm not here to simply shit talk you or to start a flame war. I am coming from a place of sincerity, and I will listen to your response without automatically attacking what you say. The way you went about voting against my guide through the use of a sockpuppet was annoying, and your general demeanor was childish. You taunted me in the discussion page, and rubbed it in my face when the guide failed to pass. You also struck the votes of my teammates without bothering to talk to them first. Now then, I do believe that you were coming from a place of genuine frustration because you thought I was unfairly using meat puppets. But here is my specific problem: you could have just directly confronted me with your suspicions and told me why you thought I was wrong instead of resorting to snide quips and machiavellian tactics to "make your point". Undoubtedly if I had stricken your sockpuppet vote I would have promptly been taken to A/VB. Do you enjoy laying traps for ordinary users? I sure hope not. While you acted within the letter of the law by not voting twice on the same guide, this feels vindictive and immature. You were probably convinced I was trying to screw up the voting process, but I was equally convinced that I'd done nothing wrong. And I'm willing to defend that position if you care to hear me out. I hope from now on you'll try to resolve any issues with me through dialogue. I actually respond pretty well to logic and I can be made to reconsider my actions through honest, direct confrontation. I don't troll this wiki and I do try to make all of my edits in good faith, unlike some of your peers. Unless you have any specific questions or challenges, I'll let you have the last word here, since this is your talk page and I've completely expressed my irritation with you.--GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 23:19, 18 July 2009 (BST) Can you prove it was a sock? If you say anything but "no," you need to re-think the answer. It simply couldn't be done (at the time), and he was proving a point by doing essentially the same thing you did - dig up other users to vote on something in your favor. In his case, he didn't have anyone to dig up, so he made a sock. When you understand that, maybe you'll understand the same frustration you feel about his sock is the same frustration he feels about your meatpuppeting. --Bob Boberton TF / DW 00:27, 19 July 2009 (BST) By the standard you probably mean by prove - "no". Also, do you distinguish between asking your friends to vote freely and using false accounts to vote multiple times by yourself? (not what SA did, I realize). I'd like to get a handle on where you're coming from Bob.--GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 01:25, 19 July 2009 (BST) I don't even ask friends to weigh in to begin with. I know of a few who regularly use the wiki - in both of my current groups, BI and the Fortress - but I don't point it out to them. Why? It's simple - my presence and opinion alone can influence their vote. Especially if the vote I pointed out was about something that I had created. I try not to do any influencing besides placing my vote on the page and then leaving it at that. I think users who weigh in should do it consistently, not one-off votes they have to be called to (except maybe sysops where their opinion is vital and they accept that responsibility when applying for promotion). Note Alvaro and Michaelson (sp?) haven't voted on any other guides, or participated in any recent wiki-vote at all. I'm not saying users shouldn't be allowed to weigh in unless they do it consistently, but it's just suspicious and an affront to democracy (lol internet voting) when you pull friends to vote on something you made yourself, and then not call them to vote for stuff you didn't make. If you're going to call on them to vote, call them to every or no vote, not just one(s) involving you. What are the odds they would disagree, especially since they (probably) didn't read any other guides? --Bob Boberton TF / DW 01:39, 19 July 2009 (BST) That is an excellent clarification Bob. You didn't really address my question about sockpuppet vs meat puppet but that's okay. I do respect the standard by which you conduct your votes, though I disagree completely. We have vastly differing ideas about democracy which can be resolved on one of our talk pages. In the meantime, let's give SA a chance to respond to my original rant.--GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 18:45, 19 July 2009 (BST) He wasn't laying a trap for anyone. He was demonstrating the irony of your victimisation from what he perceived as meatpuppeting. Having deliberately avoided that whole affair, I won't comment on whether I think it was valid or not, but I'm basically saying this was more of that than it was a trap to get you A/VB'd. SA isn't that sort of user. --ϑϑℜ 18:51, 19 July 2009 (BST) I said that on the talk page because it looked like you were starting to throw a fit because your guide was voted out. I wanted to quash it before it turned into a full-blown shit storm, because I don't really know you and I had no idea if you'd try to start all sorts of shit over it. It wasn't taunting, it was being abrasive to prevent yet another giant flamefest. Sorry, but that tactic tends to work better than civility does here. That, and thank you for your input. :D I wasn't exactly rubbing it in your face as I was looking at everything that started from the concept and idea of you meat puppeting and then it failing. It made me laffs. Shorry. :D And last, as seen on DDR's talk page "Yarp. I could probably round up some support from my groups. Oh well. I'll just crawl over to them with this knife in my back. Love, --donuts by dayGiles Sednik CAPD SWApoetry by night 05:16, 7 July 2009 (BST)" hope you enjoy the sight of me striking votes due to meatpuppetry --Cyberbob 05:19, 7 July 2009 (BST) What is this "meatpuppetry" you speak of? --donuts by dayGiles Sednik CAPD SWApoetry by night 05:32, 7 July 2009 (BST) Do you really not know or are you being cute? --Cyberbob 05:34, 7 July 2009 (BST) I really don't know how you mean it in this context. I would think of meatpuppetry as being using alts or something to vote. --donuts by dayGiles Sednik CAPD SWApoetry by night 05:36, 7 July 2009 (BST) That's sockpuppetry. Linkthewindow Talk 05:37, 7 July 2009 (BST) No Giles, you are the puppets. (Meatpuppetry is like sockpuppetry, except they're actually different people. Like that Fiffy lazer beem eyes suggestion.) --Bob Boberton TF / DW 05:40, 7 July 2009 (BST) This too. Linkthewindow Talk 05:45, 7 July 2009 (BST) Of course. Under sockpuppetry in the wiki, we find a subsection for meat puppet: "Editors of the online encyclopedia Wikipedia use "meat puppet" to deprecate contributions from a new community member if the new member was (apparently) recruited by an existing member only to back up the recruiting member's position." Of course I wouldn't stoop to that. A couple of members of CAPD and the SWA do already actively maintain wiki accounts and contribute to the wiki. I'm not above shooting them a link to the voting on our forums and asking them to make up their own minds. That certainly isn't meatpuppetry, yeh? --donuts by dayGiles Sednik CAPD SWApoetry by night 05:42, 7 July 2009 (BST) It is, but only slightly. --Bob Boberton TF / DW 05:43, 7 July 2009 (BST) Whether it's slightly or strongly meatpuppetry is irrelevant. --Cyberbob 05:44, 7 July 2009 (BST) Isnt that what the democrats and republicans do every election? I also demand proof that he is meatpuppeting or im putting cyberbob up for misconduct--Imthatguy 05:48, 7 July 2009 (BST) you're precious --Cyberbob 05:50, 7 July 2009 (BST) Firstly, real life =/= UDwiki. Secondly, you're an idiot. Misconduct is for abuse of sysop powers (not just regular editing,) and Bob never accused Giles of anything. He warned him against meatpuppeting. Linkthewindow Talk 05:51, 7 July 2009 (BST) Apart from anything else, Giles, meatpupeting is hella lame. It's a fucking guide, FFS. Some people don't think it deserves to be a reviewed one, and voted that way. Deal with it, instead of fucking over the wiki by getting your mates, who wouldn't have otherwise voted, to force it through simply to stroke your own ego -- boxy talk • teh rulz 21:50 7 July 2009 (BST) It seems as if multiple users explained that they thought it was a problem and explained a few reasons why, not to mention the actions of some users seemed to have confirmed it. After they explained it, I didn't see the point. You already knew what we thought was a problem, one more person repeating it wasn't going to help.--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 20:35, 20 July 2009 (BST)