Talk:Dunell Hills

Moved from A Brief History

"However, in recent weeks, the DHPD, the Malton Rangers and the Crimson Clan, along with other survivors have pushed into the Hills and restored it to a habitable suburb, bringing it back to orange on the map for the first time in months."

I moved this because I feel that something which is only a couple of weeks old isn't really ready to be in this section. The above is cetainly News -- but not long-standing enough to be anything other than a continuation of ongoing survivor efforts already mentioned in the article... For now, anyway. At the moment, it's an as-it-is-happening kinda thing, not history. Dig? Thanks. --WanYao 22:24, 18 September 2008 (BST) It's also topical, and in 6 months what will "recent weeks" mean? ... No, this belongs in the News, not thw History. If survivors are able to establish a permanent foothold in the burb, THEN that fact becomes history-worthy. But not before. --WanYao 22:26, 18 September 2008 (BST)

"Since early 2008 all survivors have remained impotent against the zombie horde. Despite their best intentions they have remained unable to retake the suburb. All attempts have been driven back from the suburb. This means that Dunell Hills is well on its' way to being Malton's first true wasteland, despite the constant efforts of the survivor groups in the area."

In that context, this doesn't belong either... It's correct, but it doesn't really add any new information to the paragraph preceding it on the main page -- except some bragging. Ergo, unnecessary. --WanYao 22:29, 18 September 2008 (BST)

It's my (admittedly naive) hope that everyone can work collaboratively to fashion a version the "Brief History" section that is both non-braggadacio-ish and non-topical/not quicky dated. Can we all at least try? :S --WanYao 16:00, 19 September 2008 (BST)

Moving that stuff out of Brief History looks fair to me, Wan. --Jim Extreme ^{Talk | DHPD} 10:51, 20 September 2008 (BST)

Ok hang on. I think the bit about The DHPD (and groups) making headway is news, but not history. HOWEVER, the fact that suburb was a wasteland with high repair amounts rivaled by very very few suburbs is history. Perhaps a rewrite that says it stood as a wasteland for a long time? " For most of 2008, the efforts of survivors were impotent against the zombie horde. Most attempts were repelled, but survivors have shown that they are not abandoning this suburb and the war continues." Since there is an active struggle there these days it does a disservice to both sides to gloss over it. My statement above is just a starting point, but I do thinking removing the fact that for 8 months DH was The Dead's is bullshit. I think if you can have something about DHPD's DMZ (which is A GROUP THING NOT A SUBURB THING) you can certainly have something about the Dead's long standing control of the burb (WHICH IS SUBURB HISTORY AND NOT A GROUP THING).-- #99 ^DCC 13:11, 20 September 2008 (BST)

And Wan,remember that that comment was placed there to replace a more flametastic mean comment that was originally there, so let's not dismiss that edit entirely. But also don't take it as just bragging since it was an attempt to "compromise" at that time. -- #99 ^DCC 13:14, 20 September 2008 (BST)

And hod on to your hats... I agree with DCC. Something along the lines of an edit that says...For over a year The Dead maintained a complete wasteland of the Hills annihilating any attempt of survivor forays into the region. It is only recently that any significant reclamation efforts have succeeded, (and then a bit that can be edited later after the fact depending on outcome of the current events) and even then it is too early to tell if those successes will be for a significant amount of time.

Conndraka^{mod TAZM CFT} 19:36, 20 September 2008 (BST)

I concur... --Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) <DHPD> 14:35, 21 September 2008 (BST)

Did I just feel Hell freeze over? -- #99 ^DCC 15:32, 21 September 2008 (BST)

The Dead, in fact, held Dunell Hills for over a year making it a wasteland with repair costs averaging easily in the 50 AP range and some buildings in the high 90s. Their presence is as strong as those that vow to restore the suburb making Dunell Hills a constant battleground with victories large and small for both sides.

While the current state of Dunell Hills is in flux and may always be it is important to note that both groups have had a significant impact on the history of Dunell Hills as well as the rest of Malton. I put this on there and I think this should be acceptable to both. -- #99 DCC 15:42, 21 September 2008 (BST)

I wasn't trying to "censor" the story... Nor do I think what you've all said above is incorrect, or that the last year or so is unworthy of mention. Far from it. I just didn't think that, as it stood, the "Brief History" entry was appropriate. Which is exactly why I moved the sections here, with a explanation... And didn't just delete it, or pull something drama-mongering, etc. etc. --WanYao 16:26, 21 September 2008 (BST)

I worked on the Brief History section... Hope the changes I made are cool with everyone... One of the important things I did was add dates. The fact that no dates were in any version so far was a big problem. And, if my dates are wrong, then fix 'em! ::returns to throwing snowballs at imps:: --WanYao 16:39, 21 September 2008 (BST)

Looks good to me... Conndraka^{mod TAZM CFT} 18:30, 21 September 2008 (BST)

I'd like to put rough dates, rather than 'from fall to fall' - not all of us fight from the northern hemisphere, nor do we all use the word 'fall'. Anyone have any objections or suggestions? Sanpedro 05:33, 22 September 2008 (BST)

Well, I don't have anything other than rough dates, personally... What would you have? The third quarter of 2007? ;P If people have months... then okay, I guess go ahead. --WanYao 05:44, 22 September 2008 (BST)

Well I know it was from November 2007 to September 2008; other than that I really like it, I feel it captures the essence of our struggle against one another this past year. Both the dead and the DHPD should be proud, it has been one hell of a fight and I think the history page is finally starting to capture that. --Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) <DHPD> 22:10, 23 September 2008 (BST)

Nice edit. Good job, Wan (and the others). So, uh... crap. You do realize that we can't actually all get along, right? It's just not natural. It's creepy even. -- #99 ^DCC 21:02, 24 September 2008 (BST)

Well duh... at this very moment I'm plotting your downfall, which will include quite gruesome death... The civility is just a smoke screen. *evil grin* ;-) --Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) <DHPD> 07:51, 25 September 2008 (BST)

Redundant entry for NT Status?

Ok. No one get their noses out joint... and no effen drama, please, this is pretty straightforward. But is there really any need for that NT Status section Marty Banks just added? You can just click on the NT building in the TRP tables... Or post News reports regularly about it. Whatever. As it is, I feel it clutters up the page and totally repeats information that is a mere two inches above it... --WanYao 21:55, 27 June 2008 (BST)

My fault, I was questioning why DHPD has their revive point "active" when the whole suburb is ruined, as is the NT building. I'm guessing he did that to show if the building is ruined or not, while not realizing that there is a link right above. -- LABIA on the INTERNET ^{Dunell Hills Corpseman} #24 - |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ^TMG 02:09, 28 June 2008 (BST)

If Wan Yao posted a request and waited 2 days without a result I hardly think that qualifies as active or slow. I also don't see the problem with suggesting survivors seek revives elsewhere since any rez in this suburb will prove pointless while it is in zombie hands. What's the point of getting a needle and being at 25 or 30 HP when the suburb is crawling with patrolling zombies? You'll just end up dead again. The hospitals are all ruined and you couldn't safely heal yourself. The newbie player should be informed that it is in their best interest to not be revived there. I think the information in the new section is clutter.

It seems that no other groups are active in the area either. For a game that is played 24 hours a day waiting 48 hours for a needle that doesn't come (when survivors are the majority) is insane. --– Nubis ^NWO 03:11, 28 June 2008 (BST)

My bad, I forgot about the subsection above, I'll fix that... I would like to add, that anyone not associated with hostile groups seeking a revive in Dunell Hills that posts in our forum queue will get a revive usually between 6 to 48 hours (revive times may vary based on revive team status and location). PS: Have a great weekend and an Awesome 4th of July... --Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) <DHPD> 04:30, 28 June 2008 (BST)

Thing is ... a) I posted to the DEM Revive Request Tool, so it wasn't just standing there Mrh? and hoping b) I was the ONLY zombie in the church every time I logged in!! c) the alt is an obvious survivor, a scientist to boot, so if he was scanned no one would have hesitated to revive him. Now, if the RP was being actively patrolled, i should not have had to wait 40 hours for a revive. I do not consider my experiences to be conclusive, by any means. But, it is a piece of evidence to add to the pile... That's all. And FTR "Dangerous" might be a good status for the RP... --WanYao 12:44, 30 June 2008 (BST)

Yeah, I like 'Dangerous' too... actually, describes the situation better... --Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) <DHPD> 18:13, 30 June 2008 (BST)

News items moved from main Suburb page June 2008

June 24_st

A walkthrough today by Yours Truly has found that Dunell Hills is completely devoid of life. As one wag broadcast today, the DHPD is nowhere to be seen and should rename themselves as the "Doesn't Hold Police Departments". As the FIRST CLASS Captain of BPE I will take it upon myself to shift the DHPD to "former groups". This suburb's barricade plan is likewise worthless. --Capt Schwartz 01:25, 24 June 2008 (BST) (FIRST CLASS)

As a point of interest... As an "experiment" I spent almost 2 days standing up dead inside St Lorenzo's Churh -- the DHPD's indoor revive point. I posted a revive request as soon as I got there. And... Nothing... Nothing but the eerily silent dead... Revives come faster in Daker and Ridley... Conclude what you will from this "experiment" --WanYao 16:24, 25 June 2008 (BST)

Please note that Because of our reduced presence in the hills due to increased zombie activity you must submit a revive request to our public revive service thread linked to from this page so that we can revive you promptly... I'll update the information on the queue. Also note that because of the current situation DHPD members will take precedence in the queue. --Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) <DHPD> 05:18, 26 June 2008 (BST)

The request was placed via the DEM's revive request tool, so that unaffilliated survivors might also be able to be of assistance. The brutal truth of the matter is that -- while I do not believe that there are no survivors, ever in Dunell Hills -- I did not see evidence of even uncoordinated survivor presence, or of organised groups offering "services", etc. I am making these statements exactly because I have no ties to either of the two main groups who stake claims in this suburb, and it was high time someone unaffiliated with the two warring cliques made a news report in Dunell Hills. --WanYao 14:36, 26 June 2008 (BST)

Listen man, I'm Dixie Lead... I go through the DHPD's revive queue list personally. You want revive services from the DHPD in such a difficult situation then you must use the proper channels. Other than that I have no sympathy for you forcing yourself to wait a long time by just swaying at a spot that may be life-striked and placed back into service at some point in the future. You need a revive in Dunell Hills? we work there and If I would have seen you on the list you would have been up quick since I know who you are. --Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) <DHPD> 18:54, 26 June 2008 (BST)

Ok, a couple of things, Marty. First of all, I specifically didn't post to the DHPD request forum because I was hoping to see if anyone besides the DHPD might be in the area. I posted to the DEM tool, which anyone and everyone can see and use. See, that's the thing: this isn't just about the DHPD and the Dead. Other people play UD, some of them even go inside DH! Also, you wouldn't have recognised my alt, he's a newbie (but one i am actually playing and who had a reason to be in the region)... I didn't want wiki/metagame name recognition to play a part in getting a rezz, I wanted to be like any poor sod newbie who was unlucky enough to find himself in DH. All this being said... I removed the whole thread and put it here... Because it was B.S., and really proved nothing either way, that isn't already obvious... you're pretty much right on that count... and I should have known better... --WanYao 15:53, 27 June 2008 (BST)

commentaries

Section 1

Guys can we *please* not go through this again? Members of the Dead have no right to remove our group from the list of active survivor groups in Dunell Hills, and doing so is really nothing more than another attempt to boost egos by 'claiming' the suburb. Yes we're not there at the moment, that's mostly due to us helping various survivor groups attempt to fend off LUE at Caiger mall. If you read down you'll see that neutral parties agree that we have a right to maintain our group link in the suburb page, whether or not the suburb is ruined at any particular time. We haven't made any official or unofficial announcement that we've given up on securing the suburb, and taking our name off the list of groups there is hardly going to prompt one. You guys seem to be searching for some kind of 'end-game' result, and it's simply not possible in Urban Dead. The only way you can win is if you harrass a group enough that they stop playing the game and move elsewhere, and since the members of our group are, shock horror, actually friends, we're not going to cease to exist no matter what happens in the actual game. Nor is UD the only game many of us play together. ;) Ezekiel UK 14:12, 25 June 2008 (BST)

... no right to remove our group from the list of active survivor groups in Dunell Hills ...

... we're not there ...

--Capt Schwartz 23:13, 25 June 2008 (BST) (FIRST CLASS)

They aren't asking you to break up your BFF pact. They are asking you to realize that if you don't control the suburb or exist in the suburb you are hardly an active group in the suburb. The suburb has been in zombie hands a majority of the time for the last nine months and completely ruined for at least the last 3.

If you are active in Darvall Hts why aren't the DHPD listed on that page's group list? The Dead aren't contesting your existence they are merely pointing out you don't operate in the Hills. --– Nubis ^NWO 00:32, 26 June 2008 (BST)

What other games does the DHPD play? Is your assertion that if we stomped you in a game other than UD, you will concede defeat? I'm a fukkin tiddlywinks master! --#19 - DrPain ^TMG 00:53, 26 June 2008 (BST)

Ah not this again... there's no such thing as winning or losing in urban dead... only elimination... so unless you're planning to go on a murdering spree to kill every active DHPD member you'll not get the ultimate defeat you've been so horny for, only a perpetual contention that is never to end until the game gets shut down or we all get bored... *shrugs* I now return to my classic rock music and music theory book, have a good one all... --Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) <DHPD> 05:13, 26 June 2008 (BST)

Chill Marty, I don't want people kicking off again because at the end of the day you do have to acknowledge that The Dead are putting on a pretty mighty display by most standards. Elimination *would* be losing by any definition of the word, but you can't eliminate people in UD any more than zombies cos they just get revived and stand up again. As Extinction pointed out ages ago, the only way to elicit and endgame would be to ruin and hold every single NT in Malton and I don't think even the Dead can pull that off. So yes, feel free to brag that you've killed all the DHPD in Dunell Hills and kept the majority of it ruined for the majority of the time you've been there, but please leave our group name in the suburb page because it's our homeland after all and we haven't abandoned it so much as been forced out of it while we do the survivor thing and gather our strength. We'll be back soon enough to scrub the moss off Dury, but for now the entire local area is suffering somewhat of a crisis and our attention is elsewhere. As people have already pointed out, if everyone went round removing and adding group tags to suburbs every time they entered them, it'd be ridiculous. Having your group name there simply means that as a general policy your group wants to live there, it's not intrinsically tied to whether or not they have living feet in the area at the time. Arbitrary, but true. Feel free to point out exactly how many DHPD are in/not in the suburb at any one time as long as you're not BSing, you've earned that obviously, but stop trying to defame your opposition using cheap wiki tactics. Ezekiel UK 11:14, 26 June 2008 (BST)

Also I will FUCK YOU UP at tiddlywinks man. Ezekiel UK 11:15, 26 June 2008 (BST)

Actually I don't think you'd need to hold every NT, just the strategically important ones for the strategically important suburbs, like Latrobe for instance. Hold that and Caiger is down which means the entire NW is vulnerable. Or Whippey/Style and Stickling/Bale ... hold those and Caiger and you pretty much have a stranglehold on most of northern Malton. Add Haslock in Chancelwood and Dulston then the entire north is yours. That goes for breathers and zeds. We got a glimpse of the apocalyptic end game with The Dead's rampage, survivors got reduced to ... surviving a zombie apocalypse and a lot of old survivor groups started hemorrhaging members. Kill off the metagame culture and UD will be reduced to struggling die hards like the DHPD and eventually the game will die a natural death like all exhausted social networks. But then you've got Kevan on your side willing to artificially tip the balance with massively unrealistic search rate boosts...--Zeug 12:39, 26 June 2008 (BST)

I'm not evem reading this, can't be arsed with your juvenalia... But, for the record, I did not initially remove the DHPD from the groups list. However, I did happen to notice that who ever did, they did so incorrectly and in a totally POV manner. I corrected this, while leaving the DHPD off the groups list. I had an alt in Dumbell Hills, that's why I looked at wiki... Anyhoo, my alt saw NO SIGNS of the DHPD, no signs of survivor habitation AT ALL. Therefore, though the WAY they did it was completely out of line, the actual removal of the DHPD from the groups itself was IMNSHO totally justified. Here's the thing... Is the DHPD now a mobile group? Seems like it to me... They've also made statements to that effect. Well, if so, then guess what? Other mobile groups don't get to be listed several suburbs in which they have almost no permanent presence... Neither should the DHPD. I am not a fan of the Dead or the DHPD. You all suck wet farts from dead pigeons. However... I am a fan of the truth. And the truth as I see it is that teh Ded currently own Dumbell Hills and the DHPD is nowhere to be seen. Deal. --WanYao 14:51, 26 June 2008 (BST)

Ok.. I read that... Zeuggy's comments are actually worth addressing... Kill off the metagaming culture and UD will die, yup, that's a big point that we shouldn't forget. However, for what it's worth, only already impotent and stagnant groups were seriously hurt by the Dead... Others came together even stronger as a result of the Dead's rampages. And still more new metagame groupings came about in direct response to their activities. As for the search rate buff, get over it already. Anyone who has played this game for any length of time KNOWS Kevan does that, and if they are SMART they will EXPECT it. --WanYao 14:59, 26 June 2008 (BST)

Ok, unless the DHPD can show proof of their presence and survival in the suburb in significant numbers and for a protracted period of time without getting slaugheterd every one or two days, you can add yourself to the page. If not, and you persist in editing the template to add yourselves, i will protect it and take you to A/VB. Im sick of this stupid edit war, and it ends now. --The Grimch ^{U! E! WAT!} 15:57, 26 June 2008 (BST)

There's a big difference between presence and survival... We don't have to be thriving but we do need to be known to work there... and we do... We revive there and attack there. We have a presence; It may be a much smaller one, but it is there. Even the dead cannot deny that we have an interest in that suburb and are working against them all over our patrol area. So take it to arbitration or vandal banning, I could care less... but do not remove our name from the Suburb group list. It is our right to maintain both it and our struggle for the suburb proper. --Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) <DHPD> 19:02, 26 June 2008 (BST)

Because you have refused to present evidence to back up your claim and perpetuated this edit conflict despite numerous reverts, i have protected the template and it shall remain protected for 24 hours, after which i shall remove the protection. If after that you start this shit up again without providing proof, ill lock it again and file a request for indefinate protection. You were warned in advance that this would happen. I dont give a flying fuck who is attacking who or who anyone here is. I just want for this dispute to be over, and the best way to end it in your favour is to prove your case, and it is not to have an edit war. I wouldnt have stepped in if WanYao hadnt sent an alt over to investigate and made the comments above and on the page news. Despite his faults WanYao is reliable and generally accurate, and as such i am very much inclined to take his word for it (Though im sending an alt of my own over to investigate as well, for more verification). --The Grimch ^{U! E! WAT!} 19:33, 26 June 2008 (BST)

Thats awesome, you're awesome --#19 - DrPain ^TMG 01:14, 27 June 2008 (BST)

Don't get me wrong, I quite respect the fact that WanYao can maintain a NPOV opinion despite obviously being anti-DHPD with his character(s). I think this boils down to a misinterpretation of what the survivor list thingy actually means. Could someone link me to the page that describes the rules of who can and can't put their group tag there? There's a lot of confusion it would seem - some are saying you have to have a 'presence' there, which to nitpickers could be a single live person sat in a ruined building, some are saying there has to be a conspicuous, successful, organised presence. and I'm thinking that any group has a right to put it there as long as their group-wide policy states that they're fighting for control of it. If it's the first, then that's stupid cos anyone could walk into a suburb and put their group name down. If it's the second then I think that's unrealistic, because zombies hordes are now more able than ever to force survivors out of buildings/suburbs for extended periods of time (and quite frankly I don't think anyone could be arsed to follow along after zombie hordes adding and removing groups as they are killed off and revived). I put it down to this - if a survivor walks into Dunell Hills and looks around, and thinks to himself 'wow this suburb is ruined who could I join to try and get it back together', he's probably going to want to look at the 'survivor groups in this suburb' list. If he looks at that list and sees it empty, he'll assume that no one is interested in fighting for the suburb, which is not true because at the end of the day that's what ALL of our efforts are towards. If we disappear for a week to go help out somewhere else, the main inspiration is that we're assisting allies who have in the past helped us in securing parts of DH, and we're reinforcing our alliance so they'll consider helping us again in the future. Basically if a survivor wants to fight in Dunell Hills he should talk to the DHPD, because that's our objective and that's where we want to be as survivors. Yes the Dead have succeeded in killing every single person there and ruining every building, but they haven't stopped us trying and we will be back there very shortly. But whatever, leave it out and I'll put it back in when we arrive. Grimch you're actively PERPETUATING an edit war with your attitude, because by your actions you're forcing the DHPD and Dead to edit back and forth every time we gain a foothold there.

Section 2

I would like someone to tell what the purpose of the group tags in a suburb is if not to direct players to groups they might consider joining to work in that area. If you want to work in Dunell Hills then the Dunell Hills Police Department is an obvious choice because we periodically attempt to retake it. Everyone knows that and everyone knows we won't be able to hold it for long because the forces arrayed against us are bigger than any survivor group is capable of overpowering, but to me this whole mess feels like someone is abusing a poorly thought out and obsolete rule to personally damage our group by taking as many links of ours off the wiki as possible to prevent people joining up. No other group in Malton seems to be getting this sort of treatment despite many being in a similar situation. And to answer your question, no. DHPD is not a 'mobile survivor group', in that we don't travel across Malton at whim like most others. We rarely go further than 10 blocks away from Dunell Hills and when we do it's to rearm and revive in preperation for another return. I don't think it's fair that zombie groups are able to keep a handful of players milling around in a suburb and call themselves 'active in the area' by default, whereas survivors are required to fight and barricade and survive to be allowed the same priveledge. It's zombie favouritism, plain and simple and if that's the policy then it needs changing to fairly reflect the nature of life or unlife in Malton. Ezekiel UK 15:28, 27 June 2008 (BST)

Ezekiel, you actually have a point... You even had me convinced for a minute! However, Grimch is right: you need to offer some hard evidence that you're actually active in Dunell Hills. This is not a case of you being kicked out for a week or two, or even a month or two. This is like 9 months, and 3 months of continuous undead dominance of the suburb. I may be wrong, but the last time I recall a significant survivor presence was when COMBAT REVIVE and friends went in... And by mobile I mean just that: not limited to one suburb. Mobile groups can travel all over, or they can limited to a region, but they don't have a single home suburb. And, perhaps if the DHPD didn't lay claim to like what is it 6 suburbs you claim to have a "presence" in? If it weren't for that, if the DHPD were like most other groups and had one or two burbs they claimed as theirs... then people might not be as quick to jump on you, or to question your presence in DHills. Just a hunch.... Oh... and Grimch... FAULTS!?!? I have no faults, I am perfect, hah! --WanYao 16:15, 27 June 2008 (BST)

Oh. and my characters are not anti-DHPD, that was a weird statement. If anything, the sole character who ever interacted with the DHPD in a meaningful way was actively trying to help you's and your suburb out! If anyone is anti-DHPD, it's the RL me... But, really, what I am is anti-asshattery... I think the Dead are giant asshats, but I also find the DHPD often are too, in their wonderfully anal-retentive way... And that's kind of what this boils down to: cleaning up the wiki mess made by two fetishistically hostile groups... And it's all bloody stupid, really. --WanYao 16:28, 27 June 2008 (BST)

I don't think it's fair that zombie groups are able to keep a handful of players milling around in a suburb and call themselves 'active in the area' by default, whereas survivors are required to fight and barricade and survive to be allowed the same privilege. Ezekiel, survivors are required to survive. The only reason the zombies are just (as you put it) "milling about" DH is because they successfully uncade, kill, and evict all survivors. That's active in the area. They actively patrol and check ruins. They actively kill all survivors in the suburb. They keep the buildings ruined by their actions. If they weren't actively patrolling the suburb then I bet DHPD and other groups could have retaken some of it, but they haven't. --– Nubis ^NWO 16:53, 27 June 2008 (BST)

Ill be unlocking the page early in a few minutes, simply because im tired and need to get some sleep soon, and dont want to let this run over by about six or seven hours. In other news, i now have an alt in the region. Feel free to contact my primary character, Gorbonzo and give him a wave r a bite if you see him. Ill be examining both Dunell Hills and the surrounding area over the next few days. Ill also eat any humans i find because im a freaking zombie. If you restart the edit conflict after this, ill protect it again and make a request that it be permenant. Id like to think that the people here can act like mature adults, but i must admit i am skeptical. --The Grimch ^{U! E! WAT!} 17:15, 27 June 2008 (BST)

WanYao, that is incredibly unfair... have you ever hung with us for a while, or visited our forums? I think not... Before you insult us and accuse us of being something we're not; maybe you should get to know us better. Hell, you know what... I invite both you and Grimch to visit our forum. --Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) <DHPD> 20:04, 27 June 2008 (BST)

Thanks for the buffet at the Aloysius Marty and friends! Try again next week! Maybe you'll actually make it into the hills next time! --#19 - DrPain ^TMG 20:31, 27 June 2008 (BST)

Lunch!!! --Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) <DHPD> 20:46, 27 June 2008 (BST)

My bad WanYao, for some reason I thought the whole 'Dumbell Hills' thing meant you'd thrown your lot in with the 'keep the Hills ruined crowd', we were going on the basis that the guy spraytagging 'Dumbell Hills xyz' a while back (you I'm guessing) was anti DHPD. :) Anyways look, here be a common misconception I'd like to clear up - everyone keeps saying the DHPD 'claim' all these suburbs as theirs. Back in the days when we were able to put half a dozen officers in every single police department in those 6 burbs, yeah, it was quite an attitude of 'this is our turf, we make things happen round here'. Obviously like most older UD groups we've had a significant loss in membership since then, further compounded by the Dead driving off anyone in the group not dedicated enough to keep logging in death after death, and at the same time the zombie presence in the whole 'DMZ' area has risen massively. Not just the Dead, they were just the icing on the cake - we've had all manner of zombie and PK groups decide to come ruin the area ever since the first mall tour decided to host their after-party in Dunell Hills. Hell we just had a charming visit from Flowers of Disease who took it upon themselves to target us right before LUE turned up and mashed the whole area to paste (in fact FoD switched sides and helped us with Bascombe and Caiger after they were done tallying our kills vs theirs). Anyways the point is that very few people still playing after all this time have an attitude of 'these are our suburbs', and if they do it's role-playing, just like the RRF roleplay 'Ridleybank is our suburb'. The difference is you can't actually physically force a zombie out of a suburb, whether a zed player stays or leaves is ENTIRELY psychological. I'm still going to argue that it's unfair that zombies can get themselves on a suburb page just by clicking a button to stand up every day and then spam a barricade with their claws, whereas a survivor group has to ensure they never once get overwhelmed and lose all their unruined buildings lest they be stricken from the list.

I'm gonna go dangerously out on a limb and propose that you may in fact be right - the DHPD have been away from DH for too long this time. We got sidetracked by a PKer attack from FoD, followed by a big siege with allies at Bascombe, which was interrupted by Caiger and the surrounding suburbs getting obliterated. But if you're going to argue by the rulebook, I wanna see those rules first. Show me where it states exactly what boxes a survivor group must tick to get their name on a suburb page - must they have at least 1 building barricaded at all times with at least 1, or maybe at least 2 or 3 survivors inside? Must they have a majority of standing numbers? Must they be able to revive someone within 24 hours on request? Must they even be alive? Is there some timer so that they're removed so many days after the last report of a living survivor from that group in the suburb? That would make sense, but would open up a whole evil kettle of fish while everyone argues and edit wars and throws screenshot evidence back and forth to prove their group still operates in that suburb on a regular basis.

I just think it's a shame that the Goons can't just play the game, bask in their victory and then get over themselves, instead they have to rub it in by pulling shit like this and forcing everyone to argue back and forth incessantly. It's really not how I want to play a *GAME*, and it surprises me that so many people actually get a kick out of that sort of thing. Most other groups are classier than that, and in the defence of the DHPD YES several of our members have got hot under the collar and said things that were best left off the wiki, but it's in retaliation to a level of constant harrassment that goes far beyond the petty arguments on this page. We've already had to eject half a dozen Goon spies from our forums for a start, which is a tactic that no other group I know of in Malton has stooped to on such a scale. Rah rah waffle rah. Ezekiel UK 01:42, 28 June 2008 (BST)

Hay it's tselita with a penis. -- LABIA on the INTERNET ^{Dunell Hills Corpseman} #24 - |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ^TMG 01:55, 28 June 2008 (BST)

Oh look another DHPD meltdown. --#19 - DrPain ^TMG 04:30, 28 June 2008 (BST)

It's not a meltdown you numpty, try actually reading it. ^^ Ezekiel UK 12:17, 28 June 2008 (BST)

You are pretty much arguing that you should stay because zombies cant be kicked out of a burb. While it is true that zombies cant be forced out of a burb, a sufficiently hostile suburb will, after a period of time, start a gradual member leak. A lot of hordes suffered this kind of thing at Caiger 1, the RRF groups were significantly depleted in the wake of it. In any case, your arguing that the two should be treated the same fails because the two are, to put it simply, not the same. The diference neccessitates a difference in treatment.
There are no hard and fast rules on inclusion on a suburb page, simply because they are impossible to verify and fairly quantify. In this case we can only go by the concensus of those in the suburb. Given that the Dead say you arent there, and Wan Yao and myself as independant observers have now have examined the suburb to find that this is actually the case, the concensus is that you are not in the suburb and should not be listed as such until you have a significant foothold due to the nature of the suburb. Alternatively, you could become a zombie group and move in as undead, which would allow you to place yourselves on the list under the zombie groups header, if being on the list is all you care about.
My suggestion to you is to move on. Against a horde the size of the Dead, and wit the determination to keep you out it has shown, you cannot win and this argument will stalemate for months. Instead go around and see the city, help out other areas with their rebuilding, or go on a zerg hunt, or declare war on DORIS. Just do something else to pass the time while the dead have thier fun and come back later. Your group has lasted this long, it can probably survive a few more months. You may even find such a shift, temporary as it will no doubt be, will breathe new life into your group. --The Grimch ^{U! E! WAT!} 19:19, 28 June 2008 (BST)

[blink] *crickets chirping* Umm... no?... yeah... no... --Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) <DHPD> 18:37, 29 June 2008 (BST)

Just change your RP validation for existance from "Controlling Dunell Hills" to "One day we shall return and retake Dunell Hills" and everything will work out fine, with a minimum of fuss and drama. But yes, the suburb is dead. Ive seen one living human my entire stay, he had 12hp, was infected, and i ate him. I have also yet to hear a groan. This place is deader than Ridleybank has been for years. --The Grimch ^{U! E! WAT!} 04:22, 30 June 2008 (BST)

I don't think we are on the same page." Funny Movie... anywho... we never say die, so I would eliminate that thought... it's not happening... I am not saying that to be a jerk, it is just the way we are; We will not yield to griefers. --Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) <DHPD> 06:27, 30 June 2008 (BST)

This is stupid. There are plenty of other burbs in Malton that are in a similar situation to the hills - I wonder why the survivor groups are not getting kicked from these wiki pages or being asked to provide proof of their existence? Perhaps Wan yao can go through them all and figure out which ones need to be *removed from the wiki* That the DHPD considers itself to be in the area should be enough. We are working on raids into the hills and trying to get a foothold back in - we're just not doing a particularly good job. Other survivors trying to do the same should be able to find out that we are there. I fail to see why the DHPD should be getting kicked off the wiki page when no one is able to show any rule that says we are not fulfilling the requirements for listing.

Grim - strangely enough, we are enjoying our current tenuous existence. This is a game and we have set ourselves an objective and are working towards it. Just because we don't seem to be very good at it doesn't mean that we aren't doing it nor that we are not having fun - the hills is currently one of the few places in Malton where one can really experience a zombie apocalypse! I don't see any reason for us to stop working in the hills while we are still having fun doing so. Can someone please point us to where on the wiki the rule that says 'you must be an effective survivor group to be listed' is kept? I'm going to put us back on for now - Sanpedro 08:23, 30 June 2008 (BST)

It's not that The Dead have kicked you out of Dunell Hills; it's that they've kicked you out and kept you out for months. Being a presence in a suburb means doing more than dying and crying in that suburb. Last I heard, your latest achievement in Dunell Hills was chickening out after you cajoled COMBAT REVIVE into needlebombing the Dury NT. I could be wrong about that. If I am, please correct me at great, tedious length. But if I'm not, and if your current top-secret operation consists of throwing DHPD guts into zombie mouths, you're not a presence in Dunell Hills. Keep dreamin' that dream, keep workin' towards that objective. -#XX - Jack Sparta ^TMG 09:41, 30 June 2008 (BST)

It's actually neither that the dead have kicked us out nor that they have kicked us out for months. Try reading the post you are responding to before clicking the save page button - you seemed to have missed this o-so-vital step in conversation. *sips beer, breaks game, goes on and on and on* Sanpedro 10:20, 30 June 2008 (BST)

I read your manifesto. You wonder why other groups aren't in the same situation that you're in. Seems to me it's because they've returned to, retaken buildings in, and generally had some effect on the suburbs they were briefly swept out of. Usually quicker than six months, too. You, on the other hand, have done... pretty much what I said above. As for the rest of it, Grim's answer sounds pretty good. Maybe you'd have better luck being listed as a zombie group. Or as food. -#XX - Jack Sparta ^TMG 17:35, 30 June 2008 (BST)

Since you have zero interest in discussing this and reaching a concensus, i have reverted your edit and locked the page again, and filed for the protection to be held for a period of a month. Your arguments that just because you consider yourself to be in an area means you should be there is patently absurd. I could create a one member group, and consider myself to be active in every suburb in the city, and add myself. Id be quite rightly removed from every single page. You may well be asttempting to get into the suburb, but my examination of the surrounding area shows that that area is just as soundly fucked as this suburb. You are not present consistently, and when you are present, you are seldom so as humans, as such your argument that you are a human group in the area is patently absurd. The concensus is that you arent here, therefore you wont be listed. For fucks sake, i have yet to hear a single groan. --The Grimch ^{U! E! WAT!} 12:08, 30 June 2008 (BST)

Ok... First of all... I was with COMBAT REVIVE when we went into DH. We were not cajolled by anyone, we made our own decision based on our own reasons. You Goons need to drop the X-Files wannabe conspiracy theory everyone is out to get you bullshit... Fucking whiners, it's a TIRED schtick... Anyhooo... I will also say this: we actually made a FIGHT out of it, with a small handful of dedicated revivers... Anyone who was there knows this... Did we win? Fuck no, that's not the point. The point is that we were there and we made a fight of it, we had a presence. For a short while... small... tenuous... yup. But a presence. And this is the thing IMNSHO with the DHPD... That is the point to this story... If they were basing themselves out of a nearby suburb and making a FIGHT of it... Actively... With guerrilla raids, mass reviving, regular strafing runs, etc. etc. Then they have a presence. The way I see it, even if you're dying all the time, but you're getting rezzed and coming back for more... Then you're there. But I personally have yet to see evidence of this. That's the issue. --WanYao 13:01, 30 June 2008 (BST)

That's a fair enough opinion, and I don't disagree. DHPD have made very little headway into Dunell Hills the last couple of months other than a brief stint in Peddleson Village holding Bascombe and making sallies towards Dunell Hills, and a fairly frequent scout run to the main resource buidlings to check the levels of decay and zombie numbers. If you're going to base the list on survivor groups that have succeeded in instigating a siege at least often enough to be a nuisance then technically I'd have to admit we don't qualify at the moment. What I'm worried about though is that this could become a trend if the Dead propaganda machine (I have to call it that, any group that encourages its members to vote on as much inane shit as possible to give their future opinion 'weight' on the wiki is taking it a bit far) are given such a vague, arbitrary rulebook to go by. Would someone stop arguing rhetoric and show me the rulebook, the official page on the wiki where it states exactly what the criteria are for inclusion on a suburb? Otherwise I can't see this going anywhere good, since every time we enter the suburb there's going to be a fanfare of wiki edits and demands for screenshots followed by people arguing over dates and facts and 'oh its been 2 weeks since you were last here' 'no it wasnt it was 4 days' blah fucking blah.

For the sake of sanity I'd rather everyone was just mature about it and accept that the group links aren't some kind of suburb danger report. If your concern is that the DHPD are using some kind of evil ninja wiki techniques to make us sound more important than we are, then you should probably realise that most of the excess 'DHPD propaganda' on the wiki is still there because we used to be the largest (or second) survivor group in Malton, and no one really bothers with the wiki enough to run around constantly keeping it up to date to reflect our current size. You wanna argue about the fact that the DHPD has it's tag on 6 suburbs instead of 1 then go ahead since that's more than most groups have, but this is really just petty from where I'm sitting. Ezekiel UK 14:37, 30 June 2008 (BST)

Information on the page is supposed to be accurate, not simply a means of scoring points for either side. It is now presently accurate. As i have said before, there are no hard and fast rules for inclusion, in this case however the concensus is that you arent there and havent been for some time (Months), and that position is one you just reinforced with details in your previous post. Placing yourself on the groups active in the suburb list is actually misleading, and when this wiki is intended to be an information source to the players, such grandstanding to salve your ego cannot do anything but harm. Just let it drop. --The Grimch ^{U! E! WAT!} 15:00, 30 June 2008 (BST)

For the sake of neutrality all barricade plans should be featured on the page of the individual group that maintains them. If you think about it, the suburb page is supposed to be just about the suburb. Barricade plans aren't something inherent in a suburb. It's not like the burb defaults to that. Neither are revive points. If you don't use the wiki or metagame you will not know about plans or RPs. --– Nubis ^NWO 16:47, 30 June 2008 (BST)

Barricade plans are a different issue. And, while I think you are correct overall, Nubis, it's been conceded that info about RPs and barricade plans are ok on the suburb pages. That's the way it is, and if you want to argue against that, fine, but that's a different matter entirely. However, in most cases barricade plans are not maintained by just one group, but by most everyone in the suburb. Even if one group is most active in maintaining them, they "belong" to the suburb, not to one group. Thus, they actually belong on the suburb page, or linked to it. Anyhoo... as I said, this is a seperate issue. --WanYao 20:44, 30 June 2008 (BST)

Section 3

...Our ego? and barricade plans not being important to a suburb? Do you hear yourselves? --Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) <DHPD> 17:43, 30 June 2008 (BST)

Your arguments have no basis in reality or reason, and the way you are taking this personally indicates its an ego clash. Now, i can actually respect those few here trying to go about it in a reasonable manner and applaud them, but seriously, let the matter drop. And i mentioned nothing about barricade plans (That was Nubis only). As far as im concerned: Dont know, dont care unless theres another edit conflict there, given the page is presently protected, i guess we dont need to worry. --The Grimch ^{U! E! WAT!} 17:48, 30 June 2008 (BST)

I am currently in Dunell Hills, so are other DHPD members; we may be dead, but we are active, we are present, and we are still fighting the dead's zombies. How many group members does it take for a group to 'deserve' being on a suburbs active group list? and what condition must they be in? because if these rules were actually that stringent, half the survivor groups in Malton would have to be removed from the suburb lists at any given moment... Show me the rule on the books that says that and I'll back down... and accusing me of taking this personally is a foolish assumption... --Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) <DHPD> 18:04, 30 June 2008 (BST)

So, you are a survivor group, but you are all dead, and ZKing? Thats... Thats pretty dumb (Wow, you just wasted 35ap to cost them 1ap). If you want to be listed as a survivor group, get and maintain a presence as survivors. If you want you can declare yourself a zombie group and ill mark you as such on the thing if you like. Because, y'see, one of the prerequisites to being a survivor group in an area is being alive. This wiki is a resource for players looking for actual information, and as such it needs to be accurate, or as accurate as it can be made. As i have said repeatedly here, there are no hard and fast rules for inclusion. Your absence as survivors for 3+ months kinda removes you from the running however. --The Grimch ^{U! E! WAT!} 18:15, 30 June 2008 (BST)

We've only been dead for a few days, when the dead raided our safehouse nearby... You have not been here all three months, and taking the dead's word for it that we've been gone that long is a bad idea as they tend to be less than truthful. We are here... We have an interest in the suburb, we do revives, and try to secure buildings whenever possible... that should be more than enough...

I could show you just how active we actually are around; You'd still say no despite the compelling evidence to the contrary and it would have the added bonus of our enemies now knowing where we are. So it would be a useless effort, that's why we're not showing you were we are, because we're not too keen on getting killed where we sleep... --Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) <DHPD> 18:27, 30 June 2008 (BST)

Marty, please do that. That's what we've been asking for: evidence of DHPD activity in the suburb. You're perceiving bias where it actually doesn't exist. Several people have provided copious evidence that you're not an active presence. My own evidence is IMO powerful but not at all conclusive. But no one has countered the preponderance of the evidence that you're not there, so we have to conclude you're not. So, disprove the critics. It's simple, really... --WanYao 20:49, 30 June 2008 (BST)

We can provide evidence that every building in DH is devoid of life and ruined in the past 24 hours compiled from UDBraaainz. --#19 - DrPain ^TMG 02:24, 1 July 2008 (BST)

It has its' own new level of decay.--– Nubis ^NWO 16:57, 1 July 2008 (BST)

Agreed with WanYao, thats exactly what we have been asking for, and you have never given us. You want on? You need to prove that you deserve to be on there. And taking me to misconduct over this was just petty, especially when you didnt have a case. --The Grimch ^{U! E! WAT!} 04:52, 1 July 2008 (BST)

Section 4

Something you people seem to be ignoring is that it doesn't say Survivor in the group-listing-template. It says Pro-Survivor, which makes the question of whether or not they're alive completely irrelevant. --Midianian^{|T|T:S|C:RCS|} 15:45, 1 July 2008 (BST)

Ezekiel UK said:

Yes we're not there at the moment, that's mostly due to us helping various survivor groups attempt to fend off LUE at Caiger mall.

Mmmm... Straight from the horses mouth. --The Grimch ^{U! E! WAT!} 16:49, 1 July 2008 (BST)

Yes, I read that. I'm not saying they belong to the list. With the lack of evidence of any kind of presence, they certainly don't. I'm just saying that they do not need to be alive to qualify. --Midianian^{|T|T:S|C:RCS|} 17:01, 1 July 2008 (BST)

Nice use of out of context quotes there Grimch.

Here is a screenshot of the last documented time (on our forum) that we were alive in Dunell Hills:

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r97/Ezekiel_album/screenshot.jpg

Here is another couple more recent ones:

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r97/Ezekiel_album/screenshot2.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r97/Ezekiel_album/screenshot3.jpg

Here is a handy link to the relevent map page where you can find the location of Yea, Lolley and Dury:

http://redrum.soul-fantasy.net/map.php?suburb=31

Basically, whoever said 3 months is full of shit cos I count a little over a month, and as you can probably tell we've certainly been in Dunell Hills whilst dead. In fact some of the scouting runs have been done whilst alive (as you can also tell), so to claim 'the DHPD is nowhere to be seen' just means you don't have enough of our members in your contacts list. I'd offer actual in game screenshots but I'm sure The Dead would love that, last time I checked one of their favourite past times is posting screenshots of our forums all over the internet. On the subject, I'd be quite appreciative if someone put us back on the page, and accept that making us post screenshots of our secure forum sections and location in-game every few days/weeks is completely fucking ridiculous. Ezekiel UK 17:53, 1 July 2008 (BST)

Here's my Super Seckret Screenshot of Dunell Hills.

The map is dynamically updated by users running our Super Seckret Addon. The red R's stand for RUINED, the Open stands for open, and etc. As you can see, the entire suburb is ruined and open. -- LABIA on the INTERNET ^{Dunell Hills Corpseman} #24 - |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ^TMG 20:53, 1 July 2008 (BST)

That's proof that the DHPD is really there...right?...right?... --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 20:58, 1 July 2008 (BST)

Eh and eh? The screenshot is completely irrelevant to the entire conversation and states the obvious. Ezekiel UK 00:02, 2 July 2008 (BST)

Your screenshots have people talking about supposed actions on a private forum. No actual game screenshots. If it's obvious that there are no barricaded buildings in Dunnel Hills and thus no survivors, then why does the DHPD insist on claiming that they are in the suburb and that they have an active revive point? -- LABIA on the INTERNET ^{Dunell Hills Corpseman} #24 - |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ^TMG 00:14, 2 July 2008 (BST)

You're stepping back in the argument, either you didn't read all of it or you're choosing to ignore what people are saying. Firstly, I said we haven't been alive in that suburb that I can tell since May 21st. If you want to dispute that then go ahead, but I have dated screenshots and you don't so even if you think I faked them by carefully altering the dates on the posts then you'll just have to take my word that I have a life and don't stoop that low. Secondly I said that our officers have been in the suburb at several points since then, including yesterday as the screenshots with reports of zombie numbers and level of decay in certain buildings attest. Again, I may have faked them - but are you going to show me the incredible timelapse screenshot program you're using to monitor all 100 blocks of Dunell Hills at all times, the one that is able to identify all DHPD members even when they're dead, the one that shows we did not in fact move through all those buildings and scout them out. Cos as far as I can tell, we qualify to appear on the list of 'known pro-survivor groups' in Dunell Hills. I don't know why I didn't point out the 'pro' bit before, the point was raised previously on this page and it was pointed out then as well. Basically to qualify we have to be inside Dunell Hills, alive or dead. And unless you've come up with some novel script that can kill people the second they enter a suburb, there's no way of stopping us from being there or proving we aren't.

Gutted. Ezekiel UK 00:36, 2 July 2008 (BST)

The thing is that you're not proving that you actually are there, and in my opinion the burden of proof is on you. Screenshots of forums only prove that you have information about the suburb. They don't prove that you are there, not even that you've been there. What you need are screenshots of DHPD members in Dunell Hills. Plain and simple. --Midianian^{|T|T:S|C:RCS|} 00:58, 2 July 2008 (BST)

Exactly what I was saying, Midianian. I found one [member] in the Dury Building. I keep trying to be the one to kill him when he stands up but other zombies keep beating me to it. To Ezekiel - My focus has been on the public revive request tool. As you have said above, you are in the suburb, just in zombie form. I have changed the tool to note that. I request that if anyone edits that section, that they provide proof that the public revive request tool is being used or move it to a historical section in the Dunell Hills page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gardenator (talk • contribs) at an unknown time.

burden of proof? are you daft? we don't need to prove anything... and under no circumstances will we compromise our operations over a weblink... as for our revive queue being inactive... that is for the group to update as it is OUR queue... and I can assure you that ANYONE that uses that as a tool and is not a goon will get a revive in from 6 to 48 hours... that is GUARANTEED... --Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) <DHPD> 01:36, 2 July 2008 (BST)

Quick guys, park your rotters in the RP to make him a liar. --#19 - DrPain ^TMG 03:12, 2 July 2008 (BST)

Yes, burden of proof. The Dead are giving pretty convincing evidence that you might have difficulty being in the suburb. It's pretty close to impossible for them to prove that you aren't there, and it's easy for you to prove that you are, so it is your responsibility to prove it. As long as you're providing zero evidence of your presence, you don't have any right to put your group on the list.

It doesn't have to be a complete inventory of all your members in the suburb (however, it does have to be more than just Marty). It doesn't have to be of your safehouse/HQ. You don't even have to be alive in it. What's so damn difficult about providing that? --Midianian^{|T|T:S|C:RCS|} 09:12, 2 July 2008 (BST)

What he means is, you're wrong about the queue - we've not had many requests since the official public revive request thread was set up on our forums (a few months ago) but as far as I know all applicants were dealt with in a relatively timely fashion. Marty is in charge of that stuff now so he'll be ensuring it stays that way. Also thank you for posting the evidence requested Gardenator, and endeavouring to keep the suburb info up to date. Ezekiel UK 03:09, 2 July 2008 (BST)

Shouldn't the template be fixed then to note Survivor groups instead of Pro-Survivor groups? --Aeon17x 03:23, 2 July 2008 (BST)

No, PKers are survivors, and they already have their own section. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 03:26, 2 July 2008 (BST)

AHLG, would you mind unlocking the page so we can put DHPD back on the suburb page? If I'm following the argument correctly, we've established that DHPD qualifies as a pro-survivor group, dead or alive, and all the evidence required to prove that we have members in the suburb (for today at least) has been provided. I'd ask Grim to do it but he's disappeared. Ezekiel UK 04:05, 2 July 2008 (BST)

You havent proven that you are in the suburb, one frequently ZKed member doesnt count, otherwise we'd have groups putting themselves up everywhere they dont legitimately belong. And as for me dissapearing, thats because i had to do something we humans like to call "sleep". I have to leave as soon as i finish writing this for another thing humans have to do, its called "work", and its a place where i do not have computer access. Id support the unprotection on the condition that its left alone until this matter is settled on the talk page first. However i just dont have the time to search up the page, what with there being 10 minutes for me to get to the bus stop. --The Grimch ^{U! E! WAT!} 04:45, 2 July 2008 (BST)

Not necessarily so Aeon17x, The Veterans of Fort Creedy were all Zombies, yet were Pro-Survivor (they only attacked other Zombies and helped empty NTs of Occupiers. And then there were the innanimates (weird group even by my standards) That created profiles of inanimate objects that killed mainly zombies (because they ransacked fellow inanimate objects) Conndraka^{mod TTBA CFT} 04:12, 2 July 2008 (BST)

There is an overlap though, as you can be both pro-survivor (for what you do) and zombie (for what you are). Seeing the DHPD's current state of being mostly dead, they'll probably qualify as a zombie group as well.

What about renaming the Zombie group listing as Pro-Zombie, to note how they are zombies or survivors working for undead-oriented goals? --Aeon17x 04:53, 2 July 2008 (BST)

I was for that Personally, but there was some debate about that some time ago, and in the typical wiki fashion...went no where. Conndraka^{mod TTBA CFT} 06:27, 2 July 2008 (BST)

There's so much that's wrong with all of this... I can't even address it all. But I'll try.

• There don't need barricades for there to be a survivor presence in an area. Think outside the barricade, already.
• UDBrain, nuh? DEMON, nuh? We've been down that path so many times... but... yeah... anyhoooo... lazy cheating scumfucks lazy cheating scumfucks ... oh?! did i hear something????? ah, i guess it was just the wind....
• One doesn't necessarily need to compromise missions and operations to provide evidence of an authentic presence in a suburb.
• As much as I'd like to wrap my brain around the idea, being a pro-survivor group who's only in a suburb while dead just doesn't seem to cut it for me...
• Same goes for sending a couple of people in every few days to scout. Not. An. Authentic. Presence. Groups scout Ridley and Easton all the time, but don't put themselves on the groups list.
• Really, with 66 members ATM, the DHPD ought to be able to make their presence felt in DH. If only a small % of that number, let's say even a dozen to twenty, were well-coordinated and using smart tactics -- they could easily do enough IMNSHO to demonstrate an authentic presence in the suburb.
• All that being said... boxy spoke (or typed) some bona fide truth recently. Let me quote him here: "Being ineffectual has never been a reason to remove a group from a suburb list. If it was so, for much of the time I was in the NE suburbs with my little band of zombies, not a single zombie group should have been listed. If you stood in one place for more than 5 minutes, headshot. This is a bad precedence, and the only way to make it useful is to only have it apply to survivors (only survivors can be forced to play as zombies in a specific area, not the opposite)". citation Amen, boxy. Thanks for injecting some healthy reason and common sense into this debate.
• And I re-iterate what I've said before: you could be dying like flies in a suburb, but that doesn't mean you're not fighting for it and thus a presence. Take FUACK, for example, no one questions them being in Daker... It's just that we still don't see any evidence that the DHPD are even doing this much, dying like flies but coming back for more, in DH. And I'm sorry -- again -- a few scouts and some zombified patrols IMO doesn't quite cut it... But, that is a matter of opinion, sound opinion I think, but.... Whatever.

Anyway... Do what you want with all that. I'm sooooo fucking sick of this... it's pathetic, and I'm leaving. Ciao. Have fun waving your e-penises on your forums, kids. --WanYao 11:05, 2 July 2008 (BST)

I have an e-vagina thanks. -- LABIA on the INTERNET ^{Dunell Hills Corpseman} #24 - |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ^TMG 16:54, 2 July 2008 (BST)

NPOV in "Since the Outbreak"

I think the case can be made that Dunell Hills was survivor-friendly before the arrival of Project T.I.M.E. and then the earliest incarnations of The Dead in late 2007, and after that, it has been a zombie-held zone. Also this fact is referenced on another page here Thus, I will defend the mention of The Dead in making the area consistently unfriendly to survivors. --Zambargh the Ravener 17:56, 9 April 2008 (BST)

The current revision is acceptable. --Zambargh the Ravener 18:01, 9 April 2008 (BST)

You go girl! --אֲבִיּוֹנָה 18:24, 9 April 2008 (BST)

I recall DH being pretty unsafe during the Autumn of Extinction... Which is why I mentioned it... Then, between the collapse of the Extinction Zone and the rise of the Dead, it /was/ pretty safe overall, I think... But not consistently, and it wasn't just the Dead who have trashed the region... others have before. --WanYao 22:19, 11 April 2008 (BST)

DH was pretty unsafe for a long time after The Shining Ones hit it as far as I know and it was mostly due to ferals. Of course that was a long long time ago and evidently the DHPD actually somehow had a safe suburb for some of the intervening time. --Riseabove 22:40, 12 April 2008 (BST)

Dunell Hills, like every suburb, has had varying periods of safety and danger- sometimes both at the same time (like during the failed Extinction invasion).--Razi 23:36, 16 April 2008 (BST)

Settling the "DMZ" issue

Okay, let's work on settling this shit because I doubt the mods are going to put up with it much longer. To sum up the problem, there's a link to the so-called DMZ in the NPOV section. It does not belong there, but certain parties are intent on keeping it there while more reasonable people realize it needs to be moved. While a decision was made on not spamming group links in the categories section (see here), this particular point was only lightly touched on and could use further discussion.
There has been some precedence set on this by Ridleybank and the RRF. While there is a link to the Greater Ridleybank pages, it does not appear until after the NPOV section. Obviously the same can be created here, using a General Information subsection that is not part of the NPOV section. However, this section would clearly not be under the control of any one group. Should certain groups need to advertise information, regardless of accuracy, they can do it here.
This issue could be brought to arbitration, but I'd like to get a few non-crazy opinions first. --Laughing Man 00:25, 8 April 2008 (BST)

Thats fine with me as long as your group doesnt feel the need to constantly spam the section with your awesome anti-DHPD propaganda. We recognize that you dont like us, yet we do not put forth even a fraction of the effort you do at deffamation of our group. As long as it remained civil im sure we would be all for it. -- Cisisero 00:31, 8 April 2008 (BST)

I've rewritten the entire page. I am sure you'll all agree it is much, much better now. It also conforms to NPOV. Go figure. I'll aso reproduce this gibberish that I completely deleted... It's contentless, well, gibberish... Whoever wants it can have it.

Oddly this zombie presence have taken a strong interest in study of the human subconscious. Enrollment and more information can be found at Anderson Row School.

The rise of the zombie also promoted the metaphor of mental function as information processing. This, combined with a scientific approach to studying the mind, as well as a belief in internal mental states, led to the rise of cognitivism as a popular model of the mind. It explicitly acknowledges the existence of internal mental states (such as belief, desire and motivation) unlike behaviorism.

With the development of zombie technology of understanding human behavior for accurately measuring brain function, neuropsychology and cognitive neuroscience have become some of the most active areas in contemporary psychology. With the increasing involvement of other disciplines in the quest to understand the mind, the umbrella discipline of cognitive science has been created as a means of focusing such efforts in a constructive way. Perhaps one day through undead research and human dance competitions in Clud Meade, we can bond the two and experience a sensation unlike that of two slugs mating.

--WanYao 06:20, 8 April 2008 (BST)

Thank you WanYao, I appreciate what you did. I have no problems whatsoever with the updated page. -- Cisisero 06:29, 8 April 2008 (BST)

The community can feel free to elaborate on the "A Breif History" part... You probably should, that part kinda sucks. Just rembember, it doesn't have to be strictly NPOV, but it shouldn't be blatant propaganda either... That's the point: these are community pages. The Dead doesn't own it, the DHPD doesn't own it, it's everyone's --WanYao 06:38, 8 April 2008 (BST)

Bah, I'm still not sold on the history section mentioning the 'DMZ'. It's a one-group concept of no relevance to anyone other than the members of the DHPD. Not only is it purely for their benefit, it no longer exists in any effective manner. This section reeks of appeasement. --Deadtanian 09:04, 8 April 2008 (BST)

Meh... 1) There are precedents for the "Brief History of..." section. 2) Like it or not, admit it or not, Dead-e-os, the DHPD still operate in the area... even if only barely ;) 3) The DHPD and the DMZ are part of the history of the burb, an important part. Just like the Dead, and the Extinction invasion last year. By your logic, Greater Ridelybank shouldn't be mentioned on the wiki. Well, I don't buy that logic, sorry, nor do most wiki-ers. Now, if I have left important stuff out, well... locals who know more... embellish. 4) And trying to be even-handed and drama-reduced = appeasement?? Whatever... In other words.... suck it up, drama-princesses, you don't fucking own this wiki -- neither the Dead nor the DHPD. --WanYao 09:18, 8 April 2008 (BST)

Really? Honestly this DMZ crap is unbelievable, why even bother with trying to keep it NPOV -

Peddlesden Village: "The suburb benefits from the proximity to Dunell Hills and the influence of the DHPD as it was the first suburb to be incorporated into the Dunell Military Zone."

Owsleybank: "Owsleybank is part of the Dunell Military Zone."

Chudleytown: "It is also part of the DMZ, containing two DHPD precincts."

Molebank: "It is part of the DMZ."

West Becktown: "West Becktown is part of the Dunell Military Zone."

Why is all that crap there? Because a tiny survivor group 'claims' those suburbs? All mention of it should be removed from everywhere but their own pages. The Dead could easily claim 95% of the suburbs on the map, but we're just too god-damn high-class. --Deadtanian 09:34, 8 April 2008 (BST)

You're dead fucking right. Pun intended. Sooooo... get off your ass and FIX it... --WanYao 11:22, 8 April 2008 (BST)

Happy now, you lazy whinger? --WanYao 11:30, 8 April 2008 (BST)

They changed all the suburbs back to the DMZ Zone, again. You gotta hand it to these 6 fellas at least. They are determined to have ownership of the suburbs. I guess they see it as a means to have their group grow back to be less pathetic. When caught, they're all happy sunshine and smiles, like oh dearie tis that true? 'Oh sir Mods please change it to reflect the NPOV. By the WanYao I love what you done with your hair. And Boxy, oh your dress is so soft.' While at the same time spit venom at anyone who is just updating it to reflect what's going on ingame. Then they sneer and change it back to DMZ after all the drama is over. For people that have a sensual obsession against 'drama llamas' they seem to enjoy it. It's too bad they don't have that determination in game as they do on their precious wiki. All their suburbs are dead and have been for almost 8 months now. Hate the Dead? That's fine, but at least we don't lie.--ScoobyDooDoobie 06:26, 9 April 2008 (BST)

Moreso, but who can ever be truly happy when there's just so much suffering in this cruel world :( --Deadtanian 12:32, 8 April 2008 (BST)

I would add it back in or we will start this edit war crap again, whether you like it or not those suburbs are part of the DMZ. 1 sentence wont kill you as much as you complain it will. Sadly I already know your answer. I guess it will start in a little while then... -- Cisisero 00:00, 9 April 2008 (BST)

Peddlesden Village, Owsleybank, Chudleyton, Molebank and West Becktown. Six suburbs. According to the game stats page, the DHPD numbers 68 members. That's roughly 11 per suburb, if you do indeed have a presence in all of the "DMZ". The Dead number 1561 members. With 100 suburbs total, that's roughly 15 per suburb.

You can now either accept that by your own rules The Dead own and control the entire city, including the DMZ, or admit that your pathetic little group is clinging to this one last hopeless lie to try and make itself seem like anything but the irrelevant and flimsy house of cards it is.

Either way, we control the DMZ and you don't. Superiority of numbers, after all - 90 of us (15x6) outnumber a mere 68 of you. カシュー, ザ ゾンビ クィーン (ビープ ビープ) @ 05:21, 9 April 2008 (BST)

Yay us. As long as we have 6 members we can have a presence in all 6 suburbs. Thanks for pointing it out! You have a long way to go to drop us below that, we'll be adding ourselves back on now, kthanx. -- Cisisero 05:37, 9 April 2008 (BST)

Holy christ you guys are pathetic. It's sad that you think that reply was even a burn. 6? How many zergers do you guys have???--ScoobyDooDoobie 05:56, 9 April 2008 (BST)

On noes! Someone who has spent days trying to get the wording of the UD wiki changed cause his big bad group has done mine in thinks that I am pathetic! Man, I really must have hit rock bottom. Pretty sure that even my Mum doesn't think that I'm cool any more. Scoobs, surely there is something I can do to get your respect back? I'm not sure that I can face the world without it. xxx Sanpedro 06:22, 9 April 2008 (BST)

Notice how the subject reverts back to babyspeak when caught with nothing to say, children.--ScoobyDooDoobie 06:29, 9 April 2008 (BST)

I love when you act like you're so grown up and mature, in reality its really easy to picture you as a 14 year old in your mom's basement. I even bet you have a cardboard fort that you set up down there so you could rule your basement with an iron fist, am I right Scoobs? Go pretend you're going to conquer the world some more, if that doesnt work im sure you can rely on your backup plan of Malton. If all else fails you still have your basement! -- Cisisero 06:48, 9 April 2008 (BST)

Cisisero sweetheart, I'm afraid it doesn't work like that does it? If every survivor group who operates in a suburb got "just 1 sentence" on the suburb description pages then the wiki would be rendered unuseable. Please explain to me why the DHPD should get preferential treatment above all other groups? I have reverted your edits and shall continue to do so. If you still don't agree then please take this to arbitration, I would dearly love to see some common sense put to work here. --Deadtanian 07:58, 9 April 2008 (BST)

Because the DHPD is a large group, a very old group, and has a very long history in these suburbs... We are more a part of their history than you ever will be. We exist there, and we will continue to exist there... Removing what we have earned is a crime against us... Against every gamer, bored college student, and busy corporate office worker who puts their 50AP in everyday during lunch or before bed... Just because you're not too busy to play this game as a group 24-7... doesn't mean that we aren't when we manage yank in a precious five minutes free out our busy days... now get off of our page... and leave the DMZ where it belongs... in and on the DMZ... --Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) <DHPD> 08:07, 9 April 2008 (BST)

Get off your page? How rude. I'm afraid you're confused Marty, this is the Dunell Hills suburb page. The DMZ of course can remain in whatever form you wish, on the DHPD pages - your group, despite it's history has no divine right to use the wiki for their own ends. This is a wiki for everyone, those suburb pages are for everyone - they sadly do not exist for the benefit of your group. --Deadtanian 09:04, 9 April 2008 (BST)

Sorry, wrong wiki page... thought we were on the DHPD talk page... but seriously... this will teach you to put a cork in it!!! verdict of Gnome and Hagnat-5 (Hagnat-5: "your group can edit the suburb page to have a This burb is part of the DMZ, but you shouldnt categorize them as such.") DHPD/Archive#Category. That is their verdict, it can be included in the suburb descriptions... so you can piss off... --Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) <DHPD> 09:08, 9 April 2008 (BST)

I can piss off? My word, dear boy you have quite offended my delicate sensibilities. Shocking personal attacks aside, I stand by my point and shall continue to do so. --Deadtanian 09:20, 9 April 2008 (BST)

Hahaha, it's awesome when you play the "history" card on us. Mainly because, y'know, you have no history in this game in comparison to us. カシュー, ザ ゾンビ クィーン (ビープ ビープ) @ 09:16, 9 April 2008 (BST)

Nothing about your "DMZ" merits notice on the suburbs page, history or not. There are quite a few groups with more history than yours that are still around and don't demand preferential wiki treatment. Your "DMZ" only exists in your mind in the game (you're not currently holding most of these suburbs) and in the wiki should only exist in DHPD owned pages. Furthermore no amount of history justifies your absolutely amazing amount of whining when someone comes along and points out that you've had all kinds of special treatment on this wiki and most of it should be removed. --Riseabove 21:41, 9 April 2008 (BST)

Why is Marty so Crazy?

God may be the only one who knows.--ScoobyDooDoobie 09:28, 7 April 2008 (BST)

Scoobie - shame on you for marring their page with your crappy artwork! You should have posted mine because it is better.
File:Martypisseshispants.jpg
--DCC 14:51, 7 April 2008 (BST)

Seriously guys, this is your last warning. Keep messing with us and I'll be forced to get seriously passive-aggressive on your arses. You should know be now that I am well trained in nonviolent resistance and am a tenth dan negotiator. Stand down. Sanpedro 00:20, 8 April 2008 (BST)

Keep on redrawing that line champ.--ScoobyDooDoobie 06:28, 9 April 2008 (BST)

Saved for future reference

Recently certain whiny babies have thrown tantrums over the discussion regarding whether or not groups are allowed to spam links to their page all over suburb/individual building pages. Since the mods' decision was not in their favor they have tried to remove its existence from the wiki. However, as this decision seems relatively important it has been saved for posterity here The_Dead/Archive. --Laughing Man 18:25, 5 April 2008 (BST)

It is also saved here : DHPD/Archive -- Cisisero 22:37, 6 April 2008 (BST)

Yes, and was placed there only after The Dead archived it, and only when the DHPD was informed from many directions that deleting comments without archiving them for reference was poor form. Jerith 22:39, 6 April 2008 (BST)

yeah you're right, it was place there after you started whining and stuff. Im sorry. Its a good thing you admitted your a dedicated zed or I would feel worse, but seeing as how we wouldnt want you in our group anyway I can care less. Lets spam up this section too! -- Cisisero 22:44, 6 April 2008 (BST)

Keep it civil please lads. We don't want any more idiotic flamebaiting. -- Cheese 22:46, 6 April 2008 (BST)

Nope, I play -a- dedicated zed. The rest of my characters are only dead incidentally. My dedicated zed is my second oldest character, having been around for two years. But, no big. I didn't flame, and I don't flame. I voiced concerns about your behavior. I didn't whine. You wanna come back angry, cool, that's your call. But "I don't like it" does not make something spam, nor does it make it a flame. Just clarifying, because apparently your terminology got screwed up somewhere along the line. Jerith 23:53, 6 April 2008 (BST)

:'( -- Cisisero 00:53, 7 April 2008 (BST)

It's probably best not to get into arguments with crazy people. As you can see, they've long since gone beyond real communicative abilities and seem to only be able to string together words in a failed attempt to make a complete sentence. The best thing to do would be to nod politely, smile, and let them be. --Laughing Man 01:37, 7 April 2008 (BST)

Yeah... I'm with you now. I think I'll go to Dunnel Hills and take out my built up frustration and aggression. If anything convinced me that all of the survivors need to die, it'd be the reception that the DHPD gives to visitors on their talk pages and the wiki in general. :) *Sips Shotgun* Jerith 02:00, 7 April 2008 (BST)

Take out your frustration on what? Ruined buildings? No one is there except The Dead. --DCC 02:40, 7 April 2008 (BST)

Point taken, but, I'm sure they'll occasionally want to un-ruin a building or two. You know, Phyrric victories and all that? Ruining it again will be fun in such instances. Also, I only really said that because I plan to pass through on my way to the greening suburbs in the south, maybe update the statuses of some of the ones I pass through. Jerith 06:04, 7 April 2008 (BST)

Ahem.... FYI, the DHPD do not represent in any way, shape or fashion the "survivor community". Just as the Dead in no way represent the larger "zombie community". --WanYao 03:18, 7 April 2008 (BST)

Hey, Mensa , The Dead are the larger zombie community. So, I say, yeah, we do represent.Word.--DCC 14:32, 7 April 2008 (BST)

AH HAHAHAHAHA...that is all--Kristi of the Dead 17:14, 7 April 2008 (BST)

It's true, isn't it? You really are an alt account of mine. Odd, considering I'm just an alt account of Katthew's. --Laughing Man 17:50, 7 April 2008 (BST)

And I thought Laughing Man wasn't serious. Geez you guys really do just put up random shit.--ScoobyDooDoobie 17:26, 7 April 2008 (BST)

Hey! Didn't you notice I said "that is all"? That is all means THAT IS ALL. NO MAS. Your comment is clearly out of place--Kristi of the Dead 17:31, 7 April 2008 (BST)

Sorry, but one big self-obssessed daisy-chain doesn't really count as the whole of the Rainbow Community. So to speak... Basically, the Dead are the zombie-trenchcoater flipside of the DHPD... and about as tactically incompetent on the zombie saide of things as the DHPD, too... The Goons just have a slightly (slightly...) better grasp on reality and rhetoric than DHPDers. Otherwise, I don't see much of a difference, really. --WanYao 14:45, 7 April 2008 (BST)

Anything opposite of tenchcoating is fine in my book. I didn't think that making a record of most ruined buildings and forcing Kevan to make alterations to the search rate meant we were incompetent. Seems like we're doing just fine even with the higher rates too.--ScoobyDooDoobie 17:26, 7 April 2008 (BST)

Well, if it comes down to it, The Dead represent the larger zombie community in a way the DHPD does NOT represent the larger survivor community, I'll give you that. Nonetheless, the attitude is prevalent. Jerith 06:04, 7 April 2008 (BST)

We also have never claimed to represent the majority of the survivor community. Cisisero 03:21, 7 April 2008 (BST)

Well, apart from that one time. *loads beer* Sanpedro 03:25, 7 April 2008 (BST)

:P -- Cisisero 03:28, 7 April 2008 (BST)

Oh I remember that time; we were so drunk... and I accidentally shot PsychoPhil, because I thought he was PsychoPhill... that was awesome... umm... wait... that was the time right? --Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) <DHPD> 05:42, 7 April 2008 (BST)

that is SO WACKY i bet you drink all the time too becuase you are so wacky like that

Where's 'pushing the envelop' that you promised you crazy fella?--ScoobyDooDoobie 17:26, 7 April 2008 (BST)

hey

hey

you retarded Rudiger Jones 17:04, 7 April 2008 (BST)

DHPD Pushed Back By Ferals

   # FmrPFCBob said "Good God .... aren't you guys BORED yet?
   #I mean really .... hasn't this gotten old yet?" (4 hours and 59 
   #  minutes ago)
   # Ezekiel UK said "I feel sorry for you all." (3 hours and 14  
   # minutes ago)

Hahah. I feel sorry for the DHPD. Being pushed out by scouts. We're a big group and we're everywhere. Get over yourselves and your boredom. Go outside or join another group that can do something against us.--ScoobyDooDoobie 04:40, 5 April 2008 (BST)

lmao dhpd

is a corpse still a police officer technically カシュー, ザ ゾンビ クィーン (ビープ ビープ) @ 11:41, 4 April 2008 (BST)

Hey, these guys like RPing, right? Let's look at it from an RP standpoint. The DHPD did such a craptacular job of maintaining order in Dunell Hills that a major infestation was able to germinate there, resulting in the rise of a massive horde of zombies that then proceeded to mow down the entire city, and keeps circling it to this day like some malevolent turd in a toilet bowl.

The DHPD was decimated in the initial outbreak, and what few members ran screaming into the night like the cowardly fools they are just get killed within a day or so of trying to return to sift through the rubble.

Seems to me, any suburb that had such an abysmal lack of protection would want to rid themselves of the very memory of such a weak band of losers.--DoohickeyBones 18:36, 4 April 2008 (BST)

And the village idiots of bastard town keep on running their pie holes with insults... two can play at this game... If you'll excuse me, I will be preparing for the season premier of my favorite show. So I will yield the floor to Cisisero (provivded he is not going to be watching the same show...) and my good friends from the bowels of hell... The Loons from Goon Town!!! The Vile Jokers of Insanityville... The Goons of the Dead!!! The Something Awful Forum Trolls!!! wooo!!! *large audience applause* and I tell you folks... not only are they incredibly mean... no... they are incredibly mean with a style that would make Osama Bin Laden jealous... so without further adieu... here are the most evil people in the griefer business... --Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) <DHPD> 21:30, 4 April 2008 (BST)

You play the game like a retard. The majority of our arguments are sound and backed by logic and common sense while yours...just look pathetic? You can't even rally your troops without zerging as Cisisero's multiple characters have shown. I'm hoping you attempt (AGAIN) to say we're zerging when even Kevan admits we're not.--ScoobyDooDoobie 02:26, 5 April 2008 (BST)

Strike 1!! You've said those things already, everyone knows you like to digress to issues that are either false or have no bearing on the current conversation when you have nothing to say... but that was dismal... try again... --Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) <DHPD> 06:06, 5 April 2008 (BST)

More like Home run. http://profiles.urbandead.info/index.php?name=cisisero* All made around the same date as the original. Class. Act. Why do you even try? I haven't read one post from you where you actually make a point. Completely useless.--ScoobyDooDoobie 06:40, 5 April 2008 (BST)

I know Cisisero; he's no zerger... and frankly I don't care... if even if he was... he's ten times better than you lot... You're human garbage; the people that through your own self loathing allow yourselves become janitors and secretaries... hating your lives, your jobs, and the people around you until you die of heart disease... You will never be complete and you will never do what you want in life... and all your posturing and disrespect on the internet will earn you nothing; because when you face people in person you stutter and answer them with a yes or no sir/madam... Yeah, no one can do jack about what you say and how you comport yourselves here; but if you spoke to people that way in public you'd end up with a shattered jaw.

Answer honestly; would you dare speak to your neighbors that way? Would you graffiti their homes and yell at them on their properties? --Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) <DHPD> 07:28, 5 April 2008 (BST)

Threatening violence over the internet? Why I never! Demeaning remarks for the filing/cleaning industry? Oh my! Broad casting's one's fears through insults? It's Marty Banks! Realize this is just a game, kid. You're probably in your early thirties but you sure have a ways to go. You seem unstable. Your posts are inching towards winning one of SA's comedy meltdown awards. I'll 'answer honestly' too. I would dare since it's our property.--ScoobyDooDoobie 16:32, 5 April 2008 (BST)

The funny part of tht is that most of those characters were created when I was with Something Awful. Im sure in all your grandness that you would never think someone would turn his back on all of you right? To be honest I was following another Goon's suggestion at the time to create throw away accounts, but you guys wouldn't still be throwing that suggestion around would you? If you ever see any of those character active anywhere you just let me know. Im sure you havent though as it would have been brought up way before this in some lame measure to prove we are zerging. As it is, you dont have proof of anything as there is also the fact that none of those have been touched since maybe a day after I created them... But you all keep being right all the time, k? Cisisero 09:00, 5 April 2008 (BST)

Well considering DHPD's leader was busted for 250 alts(Jesus) and that you also attempted propaganda by taking over a border building of Dunell Hills, you aren't exactly commander truth man.--ScoobyDooDoobie 16:32, 5 April 2008 (BST)

Interesting. In between when you created your first character (30 Jun 06) and the closing of the last UD thread (30 Jul 06) there are exactly four posts. Not a single one says create many characters. In fact, nowhere in the thread does it say that. But you go ahead and keep making up your fairy tales. They're somewhat more amusing than Marty's sad attempts at insults. --Laughing Man 15:16, 5 April 2008 (BST)

And then you also wonder why you didnt have a profile link to my character huh? You're starting to border on retarded. I have an archives account too. I can look at everything you can. You may want to ask people likee DCC (Scraps) if I was a member of the Many or anything too. Unless she lies to you I think you'll find the answer waaaaay to unbearable for your apparently fragile mind. As for you trying to remove us from the wiki, I will have people in DH anytime you try. Hope you enjoy this game; I am, and have been a member of SA for longer than you Laughing Man. I know how to play this game and none of the comments mentioned here bother me in the slightest. Cisisero 18:23, 5 April 2008 (BST)

You are full of shit. Compare DCC Member of The Many/DARIS this profile with any of Your profiles. DCC came in on the tail end of The Many and she is still at least 1 year older than any of your characters. So, don't give us this "I've been around SA UD just as long HURR HURR" shit. --DCC 02:28, 6 April 2008 (BST)

I wouldn't waste your time on this rubbish. They're on the tail end of a dying group. The stragglers of any bad cause are always the most closed minded and willing to deny truth.--ScoobyDooDoobie 02:58, 6 April 2008 (BST)

It's too bad you're too much of a whiny bitch to prove it. You toss around forum names like you're some sort of fucking magician but anyone who looks at the GBS threads can figure out who is who. Tell you what, numbnuts. Make a post in the thread, prove who you are, and Laughing Man steps off the wiki forever and never comes back. Toxx Clause that shit, if you will. --Laughing Man 18:30, 5 April 2008 (BST)

You'd like that wouldn't you... pathetic... no one cares about you, stepping off... some other goon will just take your place...

I tell you what, if you think you can get the DHPD to hang our heads in defeat and disband you have another thing coming... The DHPD will not disband for the likes of 'the dead'; the fact is that the game is not such a large part of our group anymore and there's really no way that we'll lose cohesion because of it... You can't really touch us in our forum, you can't touch us in the IM, and you certainly can't touch us in real life... so why continue this? oh wait... because you think you'll get somewhere... hahaha... you're powerless to stop us from being a cohesive group and you know it... i smell desperation... --Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) <DHPD> 19:42, 5 April 2008 (BST)

It takes a real man to admit that even in his fantasy game he's still a loser. Tell you what. Since the game isn't a large part of your group how about either not play it or just get a new 'hood. You can get together in real life and have Dunell Hills PD Pantie Parties(TM) all day long. Also I wouldn't recommend the 'you don't know who I am in real life, BLARGH ME IMPORTANT'. We just don't care. So retreat to your fantasy forum and stay off our suburb.--ScoobyDooDoobie 19:56, 5 April 2008 (BST)

It is not your suburb (If it is 'anybody's' suburb, it is Kevan's) and it isn't even our suburb... it is 'a' suburb... and if you think we're going to abandon the place we call home... you've got a screw loose in your freakishly big ego... --Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) <DHPD> 20:05, 5 April 2008 (BST)

Thankfully you always have realized it isn't your suburb and thus didn't need to be categorized as such. With that realization you didn't complain mightily about the DHPD categories being removed from location pages or cry to the member of your group who's a sysop for help. You've been the very model of good sportsmanship, DHPD. Oh wai --Riseabove 20:32, 5 April 2008 (BST)

You've resorted to personal attacks on the players behind the characters. It's obviously either the last act of a desperate man or the first act of Henry V. Either way, you've lost. You'll continue on your downward spiral for a little bit, then eventually go the way of Major Striker. Hell, I've even given you a way to get rid of one of your loudest opponents, but you're obviously too scared to take me up on it. --Laughing Man 20:12, 5 April 2008 (BST)

I don't think so bub... maybe I struck a nerve? no? I expected as much... just don't think you're striking any nerves in kind... I'm just playing your game... it is a game you made to have no rules... If you go there... I will go there ten fold... --Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) <DHPD> 21:47, 5 April 2008 (BST)

I'd say we've been hitting your nerves for a while now. Take a look at your posts. Go on, I can wait until you're done. Notice the way they degrade in quality each time? Yeah, that's us getting to you and you getting more and more desperate. Hell, we don't even need to provoke you anymore since you're now managing to do all the work yourself. Keep on fighting the good fight, because when it's done you're going to be a burned-out shell of a person. --Laughing Man 22:38, 5 April 2008 (BST)

"If you go there... I will go there ten fold..." - Exactly what do you mean by that comment Marty? Is it intended to be intimidating? Is that some kind of threat? I'm genuinely intrigued. Either way, why don't you go and take a long walk outside and take a few deep breaths champ. Jesus christ. --Deadtanian 23:51, 5 April 2008 (BST)

LMAO you guys sat around all day arguing on the wiki, it was a saturday and all you had to do was sit on a wiki? How fucking pathetic is that? Cisisero 10:37, 6 April 2008 (BST)

Now is that any way to treat a member of your group? Sure Marty spends all his time here writing nonsensical ramblings when he's not busy crying himself to sleep, but there's no reason to point that out. And you've still got a few hours to prove you've got any balls, but we both know it won't happen. But that's okay little baby, because we both know you'll go on pretending your existence means something while everyone else knows you're a pathetic failure. --Laughing Man 16:07, 6 April 2008 (BST)

Awww. I, so glad you still think I care about how you feel, its so cute! Someone else mentioned a pretty good reason as to why I shouldn't, besides I dont want you to leave for forever Laughing Man. How else would I be able to write pages and pages of spam? -- Cisisero 17:17, 6 April 2008 (BST)

Well obviously you wouldn't do it simply because you can't, no matter how much you want to pretend otherwise. And I've got to admit, it's spectacular watching you implode. Too bad you can't erase all this and tell people to go away, eh? Anyway, time limit expired, you've once again failed, and nobody is surprised. --Laughing Man 20:07, 6 April 2008 (BST)

"If you go there... I will go there ten fold..." yes, I will... you push the envelope, I will push it farther... simple as that... jeez... can't you understand a simple concept such as escalation; and as for 'burned-out shell of a person' yeah... like an online wiki argument would do that; I think you guys are projecting... --Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) <DHPD> 06:04, 6 April 2008 (BST)

Whatever you say. Instead of saying weird shit how about stick to the game? Your group is shit and only you and Cisisero are even bothering to defend it. Making personal attacks is always a winner! Most of the people on the Urban Dead wiki now hate you guys more the The Dead which I didn't think was possible. Good work though! We didn't even have to do anything.--ScoobyDooDoobie 19:11, 6 April 2008 (BST)

"20:00, 6 April 2008 MartyBanks (Talk | contribs) (do not use my real name... I will not allow it...)" 'Pushing the envelop'? Truly a bastion of cowardness and stupidity if I ever saw it.--ScoobyDooDoobie 09:12, 7 April 2008 (BST)

Oi! Whats with giving Marty all of the credit? I too have valiantly fled screaming at every chance I've been given, but you are yet to make a single image of me. Keep this up ladybitch, and you won't be getting any sugar tonight. Sanpedro 10:50, 7 April 2008 (BST)

A lady...that's a bitch? Rudiger Jones 09:13, 9 April 2008 (BST)

April 2008 moved News items

Alive or Dead the DHPD is in the DMZ. You can kill our chars any way as much as you want...But the DHPD are in Dunell Hills now and forever. Admittedly The Dead are a larger Zombie Horde than the DHPD at this time, but we are there regardless. And Since all the Dead can do is ZK us in our current state, there is no way they can get rid of us. We'll be seeing you for a long time I'm sure.... Conndraka^{mod TDHPD CFT} 21:10, 3 April 2008 (BST)

That's pretty sad and poor use of logic. So you're saying if I claimed a Suburb way back when and just happen to have 1 or 2 characters stick around then it's mine 'forever'? Your guys can't even stay alive in Dunell Hills for almost a full year. Almost a Year!

Your entire suburb is still spraypainted 'owned by the Dead' or 'owned by the Dead of Dunell Hills'. Even when you do rushed repair work which doesn't even take that much AP it gets utterly crushed. Urban Dead is a organic game and I at least recognize that fact. You're old and tired and the wiki is your only means of defense. I'm trying to take that pathetic outlook away from you so you can at least actually own a (different) suburb again.--ScoobyDooDoobie 21:55, 3 April 2008 (BST)

I love you guys. I really do. I've never seen such backward logic used to ignore the fact that your group is so horribly totally useless. "Hay guys, we're all zombies but it's okay because we're still here! DHPD BFF!" And you probably will be seeing us for a while. We've been rocking out in the suburb for about five months now and you haven't been able to do anything about it. --Laughing Man 22:31, 3 April 2008 (BST)

Seriously, that's pathetic. This sort of thing brings nothing but more shame to your group, you should at least have the integrity to face the reality of the situation. The DHPD are completely unable to operate in Dunell Hills and this state of affairs will continue, regardless of whatever fantasy you care to weave on the Wiki. Sad. --Deadtanian 22:49, 3 April 2008 (BST)

Classic signs of a dying group. The inability to change and 'changing the goalposts'. It's too bad you guys also suck at propaganda. You can't even muster up unique users other than the usual 1 or 2 on your own damn suburb page.--ScoobyDooDoobie 23:01, 3 April 2008 (BST)

hay guyz does this mean we still own shearbank カシュー, ザ ゾンビ クィーン (ビープ ビープ) @ 23:43, 3 April 2008 (BST)

READ THIS AND UNDERSTAND: We live in Dunell Hills; dead or alive, it is where we come from, it is in our name, it is our blood, we'll be here until Kevan shuts down the servers or resets the game; So get over yourselves... few people from the DHPD give a crap about you, we're just here because we're the ones who actually maintain our group's presence on the wiki and are greatly disgusted by your hateful scrawls; Everyone else just plays without a care. The only reason you can take us out so quick is because while you sit in front of your computers all day masturbating to the screeches of both angry and horny furries, while many in the DHPD are actually out doing things that matter in life (school, work, raising children, etc...). For all your posturing all you have accomplished is defeating a group 1/10 your size on a stupid little browser based game. Feel Proud of That... I'm sure your parents will be when you tell them all you did today was eat, sleep, and get yourself a hate on. --Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) <DHPD> 01:33, 4 April 2008 (BST)

Oh Marty, you try so hard and fail so miserably. Do you ever stop and realize just how silly you sound? I especially like the part where you say we apparently take things too seriously not two sentences after you say DHPD is somehow in your blood. --Laughing Man 01:49, 4 April 2008 (BST)

Off topic I know, but are you like one of those pubbie fags that are always online? I mean we already established that I am one of those, so its ok for me to respond all fast, but you? I thought you were better than us roleplaying pubbie fags. I mean, you're ridiculously fast at replying, its like you watch this page all day... Cisisero 01:56, 4 April 2008 (BST)

'Dunell Hills is in the DHPD's blood' and finding this post in less than five minutes proves my point... you want to play all high and mighty in-game you have the numbers to do so... but we've all spent years building and organizing our little section of the wiki little bit by little bit... so if you think you're going to kick us off of it you have another thing coming... and no doubt this reply will be followed by more personal attacks and stupidity from you and your friends... by all means continue... show everyone what you are... eventually their fear of you will subside as they realize you wont stop until you've sucked the joy out of the entire game, wiki, whatever... --Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) <DHPD> 02:03, 4 April 2008 (BST)

God you are so easy to rile up. The best part is that you and Cis always leave the conversation when you're losing.

http://s285.photobucket.com/albums/ll79/buckomcgee/?albumview=link&special_track=nav_album_album Anyway here's some proof that you guys aren't even trying to take back your suburb. The ruined buildings haven't changed much for a long ass time. Maybe actually try in the game instead of wuss it up in the wiki.--ScoobyDooDoobie 17:08, 4 April 2008 (BST)

Actually we're using a firefox extension that alerts us anytime you make a post. It's currently only available on the ultra super secret secure highly classified ultraviolet security site so you guys probably haven't found it yet. Keep trying, though. Maybe by the time you find it puberty will replace the DHPD flowing through your veins. --Laughing Man 02:26, 4 April 2008 (BST)

Oh really... wow... I... I can't describe how pathetic that is... I am laughing my ass off right now... Push all you want folks... you will reach a point where you can't continue anymore... what to do then? "oh what can we do? anymore bullying will get us banned oh no!?" you'll move on... because you need to insult people to make yourselves feel better about being forum trolls... I am loving this... you're frustration at trying to give comebacks to people more intelligent and far crueler in real life than you is like a fine wine to me... or should I say? fine whine? --Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) <DHPD> 02:36, 4 April 2008 (BST)

Nothing will EVER replace the DHPD flowing through my veins. Its there to stay! Forever and ever and ever. By the way, I hope you weren't referring to these super secret forums. I would hate to happen to know any secrets. Talk to you later Dra.. er, Laughing Man... Cisisero 02:40, 4 April 2008 (BST)

Well shit, you found it. The super secret forum we've done our best to not advertise anywhere or even invite pubbies to join. Guess we better pack it in. --Laughing Man 02:56, 4 April 2008 (BST)

I was hoping you would realize that sooner rather than latter. Ill announce to everyone in the DHPD you guys are calling it quits. You Rock! High Five!. Cisisero 02:59, 4 April 2008 (BST)

hay guyz i think this means we still own shearbank カシュー, ザ ゾンビ クィーン (ビープ ビープ) @ 03:36, 4 April 2008 (BST)

xcuse me wtf r u doin --Zambargh the Ravener 17:31, 4 April 2008 (BST)

DHPD thinks its in Dunell Hills???

Last time I checked, we've controlled this suburb for almost a year. Why does DHPD still have jurisdiction over their wiki? Why not The Dead(over 1000 members) or Dead of Dunell Hills?--ScoobyDooDoobie 23:24, 2 April 2008 (BST)

I suppose if you can confirm that all 100 squares are not occupied by DHPD, then you could remove them. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 23:28, 2 April 2008 (BST)

Do you want screen shots or will C&P of descriptions work? --DCC 02:09, 3 April 2008 (BST)

Best be a screen shot. I'm not the one to make a decision here, but if you can provide some evidence here on the talk page the shows no DHPD presence at all then it should be removed (in my opinion, anyway). Normally groups remove themselves, or are removed due to activity, though. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 02:17, 3 April 2008 (BST)

Its awesome how I can shoot the plan down before it starts! Me Alive in Dunell Hills! It seems moderately funny that in order to provide proof I have to be willing to get myself killed, but meh, whatever. Cisisero 02:42, 3 April 2008 (BST)

It's even funnier that the spraypaint says "all dead, all dead..." Good work doing our work for us though. That's more evidence that you just rushed your ass and blew all your AP repairing one building.--ScoobyDooDoobie 03:38, 3 April 2008 (BST)

Sounds like a plan.--ScoobyDooDoobie 00:32, 3 April 2008 (BST)

Its funny because im still in DH. Guess you cant prove anything. Ive got no problem leaving a permanent Dirt-Napping team in DH either if it makes you happy. Cisisero 00:29, 3 April 2008 (BST)

One member of a dying group doesn't equate to a massive group. That's like handing a bank to an outside begger. Was it fun hunting for that revive?--ScoobyDooDoobie 00:32, 3 April 2008 (BST)

It was!!!!!! I love talking to you, its so fun. Cisisero 00:38, 3 April 2008 (BST)

Ah yes, the old "lay down and die and hope they'll eventually stop picking on us" plan. Can't wait to see how spectacularly you fail at this too. --Laughing Man 01:15, 3 April 2008 (BST)

Ah yes, the old "Throw random bullshit out there because I cant think of anything good to say" trick. I for some reason expect better, and im constantly let down... :( Cisisero 01:30, 3 April 2008 (BST)

Is english your second language? Any time you tried to come back, we've crushed you completely. You then run off stock up and repeat. Sadly this entire time your group has been losing unique IPs at a large rate. I know that the wiki is basically your only means of defense but you're not even trying here. You're just spewing junk about 'bullshit' or 'haha we sure fooled you'. Using 1 AP to repair a building and running off isn't a sign of strength when we still own your suburb.--ScoobyDooDoobie 01:42, 3 April 2008 (BST)

Really? I didn't know the DHPD wasn't in DH. Doesn't seem fair for them to have any variety of official care or control over it then. Pray tell, Scooby, someone, are they claiming they have a significant presence in Dunnel Hills? If so, I think they're quite wrong. I passed through there not long back and it was QUITE dead. I'll watch this issue with interest, lemme tell you. Gonna head over there now, just for fun. Jerith 03:28, 3 April 2008 (BST)

I'd say there's most likely a few of them laying on the ground or waiting at some revive point or another but I'm not going to bother wading through corpses looking for them. After all, it took them several days to repair most of the suburb and several hours for us to wreck it all again. --Laughing Man 03:54, 3 April 2008 (BST)

It is? When was the last time you were able to check our IP's? I think its funny how you act like you know everything that goes on. It kinda like that whole teenage "I know everything and you dont" phase of ones life. Dont worry, you'll grow up soon. Cisisero 01:46, 3 April 2008 (BST)

There's something genuinely delightful about a "Grow up" comment coming from the self-professed "Commissioner General of the DHPD". Priceless.

Now then, for the grown-ups; Dunell Hills certainly should not be under the jurisdiction of the DHPD, it's ours, it's been ours for a long time and will continue to be ours until we tire of it. Perhaps a third-party that's a little more emotionally removed than dear old Cisisero here can come and show some common sense, however they may feel about The Dead. --Deadtanian 12:41, 3 April 2008 (BST)

you guys do know that more then one group can in fact be in the same suburb at once right? as long as both groups are in the suburb the names stay, you cant remove a group name from the suburb just because they're dead.--'BP^Tmz 06:42, 4 April 2008 (BST)

I realise that Dunell Hills has traditionally been their suburb, it is no longer. The Wiki should reflect the truth, not the ego of a dying group. They're a survivor group that is utterly unable to operate within Dunell Hills and as such, has no right to have their group name in the suburb. All of their protests are based on nothing more than hurt pride, the facts are certainly on our side. --Deadtanian 09:53, 4 April 2008 (BST)

You're... not getting it are you? Putting your group link down on a suburb page, as far as I know, means that said group has committed themselves to operating, in some way, in that suburb. Yes we're not there all the time, how can we be when a group that has risen to over 1500 decides to make it their sole mission to keep the suburb ruined? But I'm sure you've noticed us dropping into the suburb on a fairly regular basis to say hi and cade up the only NT (again.. and again.. and again). You must have, cos otherwise your 'goon high command' script wouldn't have recently been telling all nearby Goons in the NW to attack Dunell Hills again and clear it out. Again. Ezekiel UK 11:43, 4 April 2008 (BST)

So in your own words, DHPD's presence and influence in Dunell Hills is nothing more than wishful thinking and occasional forays to rebuild a building or two. By that criteria, every single group should have its name on every single suburb - it's only fair after all that everyone should have a level playing field. Please be serious.

Another section that needs serious trimming is the category Dunell Hills Police Department (http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Category:Dunell_Hills_Police_Department). There are 194 articles in there and 99% of them have absolutely nothing to do with the DHPD, other than a DHPD member may or may not have once been inside the building listed. A group with 85 members must spread itself mighty thin to provide services in 194 locations, even if every single one of them was alive. Please remove your category spam from all over the wiki. --Deadtanian 12:14, 4 April 2008 (BST)

I'm not sure where you get the idea that we're somehow focused only on you. You've been the whiniest little bitches I've ever seen but screaming louder does not make you more important. Maybe you missed the part where the small group from the horde that smashed the suburb had been a piece of the larger group that took out Stickling and Caiger before moving further west. Maybe you missed the part where half our number were on the east side of the city. Or maybe you simply refuse to admit to yourselves that we don't really care about you pissants because it would destroy the reality you've created to make yourselves think you actually matter. --Laughing Man 14:31, 4 April 2008 (BST)

This is a third party observation... from someone who was in the general area recently as part of a group op... and who has moved alts through the area on many, many occasions in the past... The Dead have pwned Dunell Hills, pretty much, yup... but the DHPD-in-exile (which might be an accurate label) are still around, and still active -- even if it's in a greatly reduced, sometimes almost non-existant capacity -- in the area. I've been in the region, I've seen them, we did revives and heals and repaired and barricaded with them... Were we all booted bak out? Yup... eventually... but it's an interesting contradiction -- the Dead talk about how survivors need to learn to run away and not suicidally hold the line against overwhelming odds... yet, when someone does exactly that... they disparage them... Hmmmmmmmmnnn...

And... the Dead often leave town themselves, leaving Dumbbell Hills a Ghost Town... But do we want to delete them at that point? Nooooooo... The RRF are not always active in all of Greater Ridleybank... Hell, Barhaville is often Yellow even Green for long periods of time! But I still see the RRF listed in Barrville...

Franky... though... I think you're ALL assclowns who need to get over yourselves. --WanYao 12:36, 4 April 2008 (BST)

So to summarise - Hey guys, stop picking on the poor old DHPD. Sure they can't control the suburb, can't rebuild the suburb and aren't actually in the suburb, but they used to be there for a really long time. Excellent. The Dead may occasionally leave DH (there's not much to do to be honest, what with everything being ruined and everyone being dead) but they certainly don't lose control. The wiki should be changed to reflect the reality of the situation. Also, as an impartial third-party, what's your opinion on the massive "Dunell Hills Police Department" "DHPD" "DMZ" category spam all over the wiki and why the hell wasn't it taken care of before we arrived? Oh yeah, it's the poor old DHPD so they get a free pass, I'm so forgetful. --Deadtanian 12:55, 4 April 2008 (BST)

You didn't even address what I said... By your logic, the RRF should have been taken off the list in Barhahville when it was green/yellow for extended periods. An absurd conclusion. As for the wiki spam... instead of trolling the Talk pages, why not be an active user and start deleting this spam? See, the wiki is huge, and a lot of stuff doesn't get dealt with... It's up to YOU as a user who notices it to deal with it... The wiki is a collective project, see. But... instead, it looks like you'd all rather sit there and scream about being VICTIMS of a corrupt system... rather than doing what every single user can and should do, and try to actually FIX it... --WanYao 13:08, 4 April 2008 (BST)

Seems like sound enough logic to me, hell yes take the RRF off the list in Barhahville if they can't hold it for extended periods, put them back on when they can, simple. I don't imagine they'd argue with that. As for deleting the spam, well now that's a very good idea. --Deadtanian 13:19, 4 April 2008 (BST)

Well... holding something vs. having a presence are different. I can think of some small zombie groups who can't really hold anything much more than taking out a few buildings here and there -- but who are listed on the suburbs pages, because they are there. Same with all the one-man-army survivor groups... The latter are especially lame, IMNSH opinion... But I'm not going to begrudge them their little icon in the groups sidebar, even if I think they're kinda pathetic. And, the Dumbbell Hils PD does have a presence in the area... whether they hold stuff or not... and they are not all dead, either... well not always... Now... I notice you're removing all the DHPD spam off the locations pages. Thank you and good on you!! And... if the arguments are valid (and I think they probably are, because those categories IMO violate NPOV and are basically just propaganda... you have my support if any of the sysops, or the Dumbbells, take issue with you. --WanYao 14:35, 4 April 2008 (BST)

April 1st

Told by the DHPD, you mean. Everyone who's remotely sensible is thinking that you can't really "stall" The Dead. But hey yeah keep up the dying horribly thing, it's hilarious. カシュー, ザ ゾンビ クィーン (ビープ ビープ) @ 21:50, 1 April 2008 (BST)

We'll see. Cisisero 21:54, 1 April 2008 (BST)

Planning on bringing back the desk sgts.? That's not really something to brag about, you know. --Laughing Man 23:22, 1 April 2008 (BST)

Way to pull something out of your ass that has no relevance to anything. Good one. Cisisero 08:54, 2 April 2008 (BST)

seriously though why even bother trying to be the dhpd because you're never going to be able to stay in dunell hills when you're alive and you're all morons anyway カシュー, ザ ゾンビ クィーン (ビープ ビープ) @ 09:55, 2 April 2008 (BST)

Ah yes, the DHPD motto. "We're awesome and have never done anything wrong like spend $250 on zerg accounts lalalalala fingers in my ears can't hear you." Also, we just fucked your suburb in the ass yet again. Maybe UD just isn't the game for you. Have you looked into tiddlywinks? --Laughing Man 14:01, 2 April 2008 (BST)

Because we can, and because its so funny to watch you all turn ito what you claim to hate when you find out we are back in Dunell Hills. Its a riot, actually. Hope you're not planning on us quiting anytime soon :D. Maybe its time for y'all to create even more zergs! Cisisero 00:32, 3 April 2008 (BST)

Which Cisisero is saying that? Cisisero111?--DCC 02:49, 4 April 2008 (BST)

Just pack it in Cisiero. You've got nothing but lies left. No wonder this group's a joke.--ScoobyDooDoobie 17:41, 4 April 2008 (BST)

For a group that's actually been caught cheating and got bitchslapped by the hand of Kevan for it, you're pretty liberal with the zerg accusations. --Laughing Man 01:28, 3 April 2008 (BST)

For a group that encourages its members to use proxies, does nothing to reprimand its members on the fact and then continues to claim its super awesomeness, you're pretty liberal with the zerg accusations. I hope Kevan does a proxy ban sometime soon. It will be awesome to watch the dead drop from 1500 to 45 or so. Cisisero 01:39, 3 April 2008 (BST)

You keep clinging to this pathetic belief in some desperate hope that it becomes reality. Sadly, that just isn't going to happen. Sure you'll scream and cry about how unfair it is but at the end of the day you'll still be a useless retard.

I'd say you've fagged up this page enough with your stupidity. If you'd like, we'll make a spot for you on our talk page where you can come and rant all you want. Hell, you can even bring Marty Banks along too. It's always funny watching him try to sit at the adults' table. --Laughing Man 01:58, 3 April 2008 (BST)

Nah, im good. Thanks for the offer though. Im sure we'll wind up doing this again somewhere else anyway. You guys get a little bit too upset the second any DHPD member makes an edit anywhere. -- Cisisero 02:05, 3 April 2008 (BST)

Can't say I'm too surprised. You've never struck me as the type willing to take responsibility for your actions. But that's okay. You keep on dreaming that we'll go away and we'll keep on using a mere fraction of our force to subjugate the suburb and keep you out or dead. --Laughing Man 02:34, 3 April 2008 (BST)

Why are you the only DHPDer on this page? OFFICER DOWN ! CALL FOR BACK UP !! Oh wait - they are all fucking dead! or hiding.

I love logging in and seeing another DHPD name crossed off on my contacts list or with a new group entirely.Cis - GIVE IT UP.--DCC 02:08, 3 April 2008 (BST)

No thanks. :) I can play the same game all day long. It makes no difference Cisisero 02:11, 3 April 2008 (BST)

Look how they dance like puppets am i right --Zambargh the Ravener 05:19, 4 April 2008 (BST)

Where did the links go?

They went away because there is already a DHPD link in the survivor list on the page. After looking through the other suburb pages, I noticed there are not any other suburbs with specific groups listed in the Categories section. In an effort to not play favorites it seems simpler just to remove all extraneous listings. --John Fraker 20:31, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

However Over two years ago there was a lovely situation where the Sysops at the time determined that it was ok that they remained since it didn't do any harm. I do believe it was also handled in an Arbitration ruling but I've slept since then. BTW Part of the discussion dealt with the fact that any other group could do the same if they wanted to go to the trouble of doing it...its just the fact that the DHPD was one of the few groups to take advantage of it. Conndraka^{mod TDHPD CFT} 03:10, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

I like the way you say you can barely manage to do anything yet as soon as something involving your group happens you are quick with the mod powers. And somehow I doubt if I started adding The Dead to suburb categories it would last past as long as it takes you to hit undo. I suppose it really does not matter, does it? In the end we will still have your suburb in our pocket and you will still be a group of talentless scrubs. --John Fraker 06:38, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Conn, that's absured. The Group Categories should only go on group owned pages, otherwise it's simply misleading and clutter.--Karek^maps?! 10:17, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm actually inclined to agree with Karek here, it does clutter it up. Dunell Hills Police Department is already in the Groups section of the page. --JSaysNo 15:21, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

DHPD Presence

Despite the conditions of the DMZ..There are members of the DHPD present in each and every suburb. Many of them zombies and/or dead, agreed, but there none the less. Conndraka^{mod TDHPD CFT} 06:42, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

you guys rock high fives lmao Juan carlos 07:14, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Generally Survivors mean actually 'surviving'. If DHPD is on the move then whatever suburb they decide to move to should be updated. Otherwise it's unreliable information. If you decide to stay in Dunell Hills, having bodies or zombies in the suburb generally means you are now a 'Zombie Group'. You should be treated as such and should not be considered a Survivor nor Hostile Group. Keep the information accurate and up to date. --Gengen 08:47, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Thats where you are wrong. There have been numerous Pro-Survivor Groups in the games history that have been composed entirely of Zombies. One of which is a component of the DHPD and has been for a long time. If enough changes take place to where the DHPD in Dunell proper can get revived then they will be... until then. They are there, and since the majority of the DHPD is in fact alive... that means they aren't a Zombie Group. So... Conndraka^{mod TDHPD CFT} 16:54, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Again you are being forcefully disingenuous. Pro-Survivor is short for 'Professional Survivor Group'. It does not mean in favor of surviving. You're trying to use terminology to press your point which is quite invalid. I also don't appreciate you using an Appeal to Tradition fallacy on a board that's supposed to be logically based. If the majority of the DHPD is 'alive' then where is their home? Obviously not Dunell Hills last time I checked. I don't mean to be rude but at least you could use this time to Roleplay something interesting like how zombies are actually becoming dangerous in a zombie simulation game. However saying you're a professional survivor group living in Dunell Hills is just simply not true and goes against the ideals of wiki neutrality. You're squatting the suburb.--Gengen 20:07, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

A similar issue has come up before. Basically, a consensus was reached in that groups are free to add themselves as long as they are there, and they're current state should have no bearing on their addition to a suburb page. I feel a different interpretation is needed. Having a Pro Survivor group does not necessarily entail that the majority of one's members are alive. It is not unheard of that zombies would support a human cause, nor that humans would support a zombie cause. --Banana reads Scoundrell for all of Yesterday's News, Today! 22:58, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Friendly zombies? You are also using a Appeal to Tradition fallacy like Conndraka. Again if thats the case then the DHPD is considered a Zombie Group not a Pro Survivor Group. They may want to help humans as much as anyone else but they are dead, i.e not 'surviving'. If they have members alive then they should update their new suburb 'home'. They're free to retake their home at anytime but until then please keep this neutral and update the wiki accordingly. This is a game of wandering and surviving in the wastelands in a zombie apocalypse world. It is not Real Estate 2000.--Gengen 08:53, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I think what they're trying to say is that the wiki is an organization and as such they have rules and regulations that they have developed over the course of having been an organization. These rules and regulations supercede any point of order or discussion in a debate sense of the word. If you want to change the policy put up a proposal to do so but debate jargon doesn't really apply here as organizational structure is more important. During your new policy propsal discussion would be the proper place to attack the bases of arguements in the form of a debate.--Kristi of the Dead 12:16, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

There isn't a debate if they're unable to back up their side of the argument. They have failed to make a strong argument and frankly it supersedes any structure or organization logical fallacy you believe to be true. It goes against the wiki official 'neutrality' stance. They've been able to do it because this is just a silly browser game and realistically no one cares. I am writing this to simply reveal their hypocrisy that is blatantly apparent. I see no reason to continue further.--Gengen 18:32, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

... but you will. For all your posturing of being so much cooler than everyone else on the wiki, you're down and dirty and playin' with pubbies... cuz you're one of us, perhaps??? Anyway.... Pro-survivor does not mean "professional" ... no one gets paid for being a survivor ... It's pro- as in opposite of anti- , dig? Meanwhile, the DHPD can name themselves any bloody thing they want. Period. However, as a survivor group I am actually inclined to agree that if they don't have a genuine survivor presence in DH, and haven't for a while, they shouldn't be listed among survivor groups in the burb. That they have "Dunell Hills" in their name is irrelevant to their actual presence... That being said... I think you're all a bunch of fucking pathetic wankers, SA Goons, DHPD... As they say, birds of a feather flock together -- in Dunell Hills. --WanYao 18:51, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

How astoundingly clever, you took a worthless cliche and turned it into an awkward topical reference, good show Juan carlos 07:56, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Just to set the record straight "Pro-Survivor Groups" is not short for "Professional Survivor Groups". The term "Pro" was meant to indicate groups who support the survivor cause against the common zombie agenda (i.e. killing all survivors). Before anyone disagrees with me realize this: I wrote the header. I'm all about organization so I created the headers under which all the groups are currently sorted. I admit, when you factor this with the "Zombie Groups" header it is a bit misleading as it would imply that it should instead read as "Pro-Zombie Groups", but at the time I had mentally grouped death cultists under "Hostile Groups". Of course death cults like the Gore Corps might be more suited to being grouped with the zombie group(s) they support (namely the RRF) under a Pro-Zombie header. At the very least it would clear-up any confusion about why certain groups can remain listed under the Pro-Survivor header. --Mobius187 14:05, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Other Stuff

I moved some of the information regarding the DHAGS to their page, where it seemed like it belonged more. If this was out of line, let me know. --FingFangFoom 21:27, 2 March 2006 (GMT)

"Finding a HAM radio and a box of defective badges"... shouldn't that be *detective* badges? Vetriano 14:48, 14 April 2006 (BST)

No actually they are defective... They Have Dunell spelled with two "N"s Conndraka 17:57, 14 April 2006 (BST)

Update warning level

I think that the suburb color needs to be changed. Its not really that threatening of a place. Cisisero 23:42, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Done.Down to Moderate. --The Surgeon General^DHPD|P! 00:11, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Phone Mast status report

If you time, can we get you to update http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Mobile_Phone_Mast#Locations with the current status of your local phone mast? Thanks. Asheets 20:12, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Zombies don't need cell phones and we really don't want to try to pick our 5 BFFs for our Fave Five plan. It's just too hard to pick 5 out of the 700 that roam freely near Dunell Hills. If you want to send in a few technicians to check the status that would be lovely. Make sure they use BBQ flavored shampoo, too. Mmmmm Kansas City Style --DCC 20:34, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Hey DCC, I think the problem is that when you guys sacked my office you didn't realize I had messages from like years ago. Conndraka^{mod TDHPD CFT} 21:18, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Reading is hard for me. Besides, I wanted to get in Return of the Living Dead reference! --DCC 22:16, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Dunell Hills history

Contrary to popular belief this is not your group page do not continue to revert my edits

You have yet to make a contribution to this page which A Helpful Little Gnome, Seventythree, nor myself, would consider news. --Banana reads Scoundrell for all of Yesterday's News, Today! 03:17, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, I have. So sit on it. EYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY --Katthew 03:33, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

And I see no reason to remove it. --Banana reads Scoundrell for all of Yesterday's News, Today! 03:39, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

I have dunnel hills in my group page patients does too its cool – Nubis 03:40, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, all righty then. Just so there isn't any confusion, that was sarcasm. --Banana reads Scoundrell for all of Yesterday's News, Today! 03:43, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Man you guys are a bunch of faggots, good thing your entire DMZ is paying for it in blood. --Zambargh the Ravener 18:00, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Pro-Survivor Groups

As far as I know, there are no survivor groups in Dunell Hills, so why are they still listed? --Cymoro 00:29, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Adding latest quotes from the group pages of 5punk and COMBAT REVIVE:

"January 08: Many 5punk members awaken from hibernation and instinctively shuffle back towards The Waugh Arms to see how she has coped in our absence."

The Waugh Arms is in Chudleyton.

"To this end we are in the process of opening new Revive Points for Rotters. To provide maximum service we have chosen The Blackmore Building as it is in the epicenter of the undead. Please wait patiently, no biting, and NO BARRICADING. Also, do not mess with the generators, they are there for everyones benefit. Thank you for your cooperation."

The Blackmore Building is in Ridleybank. Because of them not being centered or even having influence in Dunell Hills, I am going to remove them from the survivor listing. --Cymoro 00:39, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Due to the length of inactivity, I am apt to agree. --Banana reads Scoundrell for all of Yesterday's News, Today! 01:10, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

COMBAT REVIVE has long been inactive in this area, you guys should hop to that one. I won't cause I don't care.--Karek^maps?! 01:18, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Events

May 2

A few survivors have volunteered their lives and AP to keep the ever vigilant Zombies of Dunnell Hills entertained and fed. Sadly, none brought ketchup.--DoohickeyBones 19:58, 2 May 2008 (BST)

Apr 29

Breaking News! Zephyr Hospital and Broadbelt PD were brought to HEB status today! Even More Breaking News! Zephyr hospital is now OPEN and the local citizens are currently dining on the brave yet foolish DHPD inside before wandering over to correct the Building Code Violation at the PD. SEND BACKUP!!! (with ketchup, please)--DoohickeyBones 03:35, 30 April 2008 (BST)

Apr 25

The area is still firmly under the control of The Dead. I just completed a building search, and am on my next pass now. Along the way today, I ran across guy. Rejoice, for even though he erred in his initial character selection, I was able to correct his mistake. He can now play the game as a zombie. I am SUCH a giver!--DoohickeyBones 15:21, 25 April 2008 (BST)

Apr 16

On the 14th, 'COMBAT REVIVE' managed to get in and CR the zombies at Dury and a few neighboring buildings. Reportedly, they also brought the cades to EHB. By the time I woke up, jumped out of a window, and wandered over, the cades were gone, and the NT building was...ruined (Shocking, I know).

I suspect this was the 'Big Uber Tactical Surprise' they were lining up for. Too bad they didn't bother to show up for their own party.

This morning, I walked my rotting carcass around and into each PD and hospital...no signs of life whatsoever.

We must remain ever vigilant that survivors don't ninja their way in to DH and spend 20 or so AP on each of us, so that we have to spend 4 AP to die and stand up again. If they keep those elite tactics up, I'm just not sure how long we can hold out!

A request to the CR peeps: Please barricade a few more buildings. It gives us something to do while hanging around to welcome survivors.--DoohickeyBones 16:39, 16 April 2008 (BST)

Unfortunately that was our goodbye orgy_{(for the suburb)}, you'll note that that kind of thing very much isn't our normal way of doing things, we fully expected it to be ruined and but thought it would be a bit unfair for us to leave without giving you poor zombies something to do and someone to eat before going. With our reason for being here having itself stopped being there a few days ago we felt we'd overstayed our welcome a bit.--Karek^maps?! 17:55, 16 April 2008 (BST)

Apr 11

There is a horde of forty-five other zombies here. 
You recognize Marty Banks and Cisisero amongst them.

I can only imagine just how long these fellas stayed as corpses trying to plan for yet another pointless run on Dunell Hills. Seriously guys give it up. Go after Buttonville--ScoobyDooDoobie 19:19, 11 April 2008 (BST)

To be fair, they seem to have actually tried this time. They even brought some friends along, too. It's too bad I could see through their plans and knew what they were going to do before even they did. --́我們像瘋了似的영주維基維基，俄亥俄，因為這麼多的神，上帝，請原諒我的́罪，因此，這裡的簽名要求 20:05, 11 April 2008 (BST)

Wait, I thought DHPD was a survivor group? Aren't they supposed to be, ya know, alive or something?

They should probably go find a Revive Point to Mrh? in or something.--DoohickeyBones 20:11, 11 April 2008 (BST)

Remember to wear a dress on BBQ Nights every Thursday and Saturday. --ScoobyDooDoobie 21:56, 11 April 2008 (BST)

Mar 3

Edited from: The last few days have seen a dramatic decrease in zombie presence, almost as if they have gotten bored defending the same dead suburb for almost four months and have found something better to do. At the same time survivors make slow progress in reclaiming buildings, focusing primarily on schools and railway stations. With the zombie overlords finally allowing them back it will only be a matter of time before the suburb is repopulated. --Laughing Man 16:35, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Dunell Hills talk

The DHPD launched a highly coordinated offensive against the standing zeds of Dunell Hills. A few resource buildings are still in zed hands, namely the Dury building with 5 zeds inside. However over 2/3's of the suburbs buildings are barricaded and many officers have yet to die in the week since we launched the attack. Not much in the way of an organized horde. Downgrading to Dangerous. -- Cisisero 22:42, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

I would be hesitant on trusting this report or downgrading any perceived danger level. From my brief tour just a few minutes ago I saw maybe half of the suburb at most is repaired and most of those buildings are barely barricaded if not wide open. Once the zombie presence actually cares enough to notice things will change real quick. Please stop lying to people just so you can be a hero. --John Fraker 23:54, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Regardless, the downgrade has been scrutinized, and accepted. With proof. -- Cisisero 09:17, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

proof doesnt mean word of mouth, post screenshots for proof --Cymoro 16:06, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

You can post screenshots, you're apparently in the area ;) Notice how none of you bother with that? -- Cisisero 17:37, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Notice how you didn't either? You're the one who changed the danger level you're the one who provides the proof. Asking otherwise is illogical and outright stupid.--ScoobyDooDoobie 18:48, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Stop vandalizing the wiki Cisisero. You are the one lobbying for a status change against several other eyewitnesses who say half the suburb is ruined. You have the burden of proof by showing a few screenshots. Otherwise, stop vandalizing the wiki to prove whatever sad little point you're trying to prove by shading the grid in a different color. Addison Strack 18:58, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Wow. All of your asshatery knows no bounds apparently. How many other groups do you scrutinize like this? Im sorry, we must be that incompetent, good thing we dont do anything else like try to hold forts or malls or something. Here are screens I was able to have captured view: Here, and Here. As for the fact that you cannot see all the barricade levels on every single building in survivor hands I am sorry. Let me list them for you:

• St. Justin's Hospital - HB
• Newten Cinema - EHB
• the Stone Motel - VSB
• the Hatson Building - HB
• the Mashman Building - QSB
• Newbury Library - EHB
• Dewfall Plaza Railway Station - HB
• a factory - HB
• Brendan General Hospital - EHB
• Club Meade - QSB
• the Fortune Building - HB
• Eckersley Cinema - HB
• Broadbelt Grove Police Department - HB
• Yea Drive Police Department - VSB
• Lolley Library - LB
• Lucius General Hospital - LB

There's not to much more I am going to be able to offer in the way of "proof" -- Cisisero 22:03, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

It's cute that you had to be dragged out to show proof of your edit and then you act as if it's somehow 'bad' to have evidence. I guess I was mistaken in holding DHPD to higher standards.--ScoobyDooDoobie 22:17, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Have fun kitten pilling with all your friends! Im so glad you finally accept us. :* -- Cisisero 22:20, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

What the hell are you talking about? 'Kitten pilling'? What does that have to do with Suburb Safety? You obviously don't know how to respond with intelligence nor integrity.--ScoobyDooDoobie 22:28, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Nothing Scooby, im not talking about anything at all. All I was saying is that Its nice to know we finally made believers out of everyone! Its as my friend always says, keep trying for that rainbow and one day you'll make it! As for now, DH is a safer place. That can be changed. Im not denying it. -- Cisisero 22:52, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Your suburb is owned and your childish attempts of retaking it have failed. Your mindless gibberish is wasted on deaf ears. Are you high? --ScoobyDooDoobie 19:32, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Practically all of those buildings are either wide open or ruined, but feel free to keep deluding yourself. --Sykic 23:16, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

lol cisisero have fun eating our leftovers you sack of shit Juan carlos 00:20, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Hell, while I'm here I might as well throw this out. The horrible compression was a mistake on my part, but it gets the point across (or at least it should, I won't hold my breath).

that map is highly inaccurate, the Hatson Building, Dewfall Plaza Railway Station and Lolley Library are all ruined. --カシュー, ザ ゾンビ クィーン (ビープ ビープ) @ 19:54, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

It's 8 hours old, that's my excuse. Also in before someone signs my post for me because they have nothing else better to do. --Sykic 20:00, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Its hard to find a building that isn't ruined. Also Cisisero, thanks for letting your guy stand there while mine kept hitting him.--Tom Flesheater 00:16, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

What do you expect from a One Trick Pony? DHPD's level of cognitive dissonance is appalling. You guys should try getting a job at FOX News.--ScoobyDooDoobie 03:04, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I've been out of the area for a bit, but if the DHPD made significant in-roads into Dunnell Hills, there's no sign at all of them now. Suburb looks no different than my last report a week ago - a undead-filled wasteland, devoid of any sign of life. --Tempest56 22:05 GMT, 8 March 2008

That seems to be SOP for the DHPD. Of course, any day they don't wake up dead must be a good one for them. So now they'll repair a building and spin it to make it seem like a brilliant victory and we'll laugh at them before killing them again. And in this way the cycle of hilarity continues. --Laughing Man 23:50, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

So is the consensus that it's a very dangerous place to be right now?--Karek^maps?! 09:35, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

yep--Cymoro 10:26, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

So when is the DHPD going to make another heroic attempt to retake the suburb they're named after? My zombie is getting hungry.--Tom Flesheater 04:22, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

If you're that hungry and lazy go to the Stone Motel [0-37]. That's where I'm camped out. Low Rates and free HBO. --JSaysNo 22:21, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Haha, it's funny watching losers get a kick out of 'proving people wrong'. Specially when they're SA Goons who get a kick out of ruining people's fun and would for the most part be happiest if everyone stopped logging into Urban Dead out of 'fear' of them. (snerk). And it's ESPECIALLY funny when a moderator of the UDWiki backs their side.  ;) Ezekiel UK 19:16, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Proper sentence structure is your friend you illiterate chimp. I thought schools were good in the UK but you're a good example of the contrary. Does it make you feel bad that you're part of the biggest joke of a group in UrbanDead? It's been almost a year and we still own your suburb. Funny how you still own the wiki page for no apparent reason though. That's class!--ScoobyDooDoobie 23:20, 2 April 2008 (BST)

Oh wow, you actually just resorted to insulting my grammar. What a complete fucking faggot. Is that what you fall back on when you honestly can't think of anything more clever to say? It came out like that because I was typing fast, believe it or not some of us left school a long while ago and have better things to do than troll the UD wiki all day long, trying to offend the half dozen or so members of the DHPD that can actually be arsed to come over here when the wiki is largely populated by pre-pubescent, whiny faggots that spend all day on their computer looking at midget porn and arguing with other people because 'owning a suburb' in some low tech browser game actually, my god, gives their life VALIDATION. GET A FUCKING LIFE. You guys are laughing cos we take it 'too seriously', and yet here you are, dedicating time to arguing over something as pathetic as whether a link on the UDwiki is supposed to be there. You've coded Firefox extensions, you've divided yourselves into sub-groups and given yourselves cute little apocalypse names and set up a 'Goon High Command'. I find people that argue on the internet like it somehow proves them to be manly and powerful an endless source of amusement. ;) Ezekiel UK 10:57, 3 April 2008 (BST)

We really need to start keeping a record of every time you geniuses meltdown. This is some funny shit. And thanks for the $10 just so you can see what we're doing. Perhaps you could let us know your username so we can start a wall of retards. --Laughing Man 15:17, 3 April 2008 (BST)

I know right? I like her complete 180 with 'ME TOO BUZI ME SCHOOL SMERT' to 'BY THE WAY I'VE JOIND SA AND NOEW READ YOUR THREAD 24/7'. It's hilarious how easy it is to force them reveal themselves as the fruitcakes they are. Nice that the UK goofball let us know there's only 6 active members in the DHPD left too.--ScoobyDooDoobie 19:17, 3 April 2008 (BST)

Hehe, we don't have to pay $10 dumbass. Plenty of people in the DHPD have SA accounts from long before the fee was introduced. And I was trying to say that you only see half a dozen DHPD here cos no one actually gives two craps about the lame little wiki or suburb pages or group links or whatever the fuck. At last count we had 49 active members on our forum, plus a few others here and there. Yeah it's not as many as it used to be but meh, UD is well past its maturation stage in into decline. Ezekiel UK 09:35, 4 April 2008 (BST)

I've noticed everyone who's bought an account to spy on us always says the same thing. "Durrr, we already had this account before now." Yet somehow they never seem to want to prove it. Hell, just a post in the thread would be enough but I doubt we'll see even that. Too bad there's no toxx clause here, but I doubt Conndraka would let his little butthurt friends get banned anyway. --Laughing Man 14:38, 4 April 2008 (BST)

Police Department buildings in Dunell Hills make wonderful zombie homes -Killbottom

I hear PDs in Hawaii are also lovely this time of year... Ezekiel UK 13:11, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Broadbelt Grove PD, while ruined, has secured doors. I would open them to check it out but I'm level 1.--SALurker 17:06, 5 April 2008 (BST)

1 Year

Wow, one year ago a group (1,500) of crazy kids and their big dreams moved into DH with the hope to shake things up and make a name for themselves. Happy Anniversary of the Dead first conquering DH/DMZ. GG NM!-- #99 ^DCC 15:35, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Yea....My ass still hasn't recovered. Conndraka^{mod TAZM CFT} 00:02, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

a year already? happy anniversary! Sanpedro 00:58, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

History

A brief history of Dunnel Hills can be found here.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 19:48, 8 October 2009 (BST)

Great Suburb Group Massacre 2010

All suburb wiki pages are undergoing a clean up to remove inactive groups from the group listing (see here: this suburb's groups). If you are a group currently listed in this suburb, you will be contacted on your group's talk page within the next few days and asked to reply, indicating that you are active in this suburb. Groups that fail to reply within two weeks of being contacted will automatically be removed from the suburbs where they are listed.

We're posting here in the hopes that more groups will be aware of the clean up and can respond appropriately, since our team does not have the time nor the manpower to seek out every group in-game or track down its group members elsewhere on the wiki. If you know that some groups in your suburb do not check the wiki, please be a good neighbor and let them know that they NEED to check it for this, or else they will be unlisted in the near future.

The wiki members coordinating the cleanup will be using the table below to track their progress in communicating with the various groups. Please do not edit it if you are not involved with The Great Suburb Group Massacre 2010 team.

The Great Suburb Group Massacre 2010
Group Name	Contacted On	Date Due
Dunell Hills Police Department	26 January 2010	Confirmed
Hard Knock Life	27 January 2010	Confirmed
This suburb has been cleared. --Maverick Talk - OBR 404 09:41, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Please check your group's talk pages in the next few weeks, and respond promptly when you receive a communication from the GSGM2010 team. Thanks. Maverick ^{Talk - OBR 404} 07:27, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your cooperation as we cleaned up the group listings for this suburb. Your help in reaching out to groups and replying to our requests has been much appreciated. --Maverick ^{Talk - OBR 404} 09:41, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Great Suburb Group Massacre 2011

All suburb wiki pages are undergoing a clean up to remove inactive groups from the group listing (see here: this suburb's groups). If you are a group currently listed in this suburb, you will be contacted on your group's talk page within the next few days and asked to reply with a list of suburbs in which you are active. Groups that fail to reply within two weeks of being contacted will automatically be removed from the suburbs where they are listed.

We're posting here in the hopes that more groups will be aware of the clean up and can respond appropriately, since our team does not have the time nor the manpower to seek out every group in-game or track down its group members elsewhere on the wiki. If you know that some groups in your suburb do not check the wiki, please be a good neighbor and let them know that they NEED to check it for this, or else they will be unlisted in the near future.

The wiki members coordinating the cleanup will be using the table below to track their progress in communicating with the various groups. Please do not edit it if you are not involved with The Great Suburb Group Massacre 2011 team.

The Great Suburb Group Massacre 2011
Group Name	Contacted On	Date Due
Dunell Hills Liberation Army	23 January	Removed
DHPD	22 January	Confirmed
Hard Knock Life	23 January	Removed
The Dead 2.0	23 January	Confirmed
U.B.C.S	21 January	Removed
User responsible for contacting groups in this suburb: GANG Giles Sednik CAPD

Please check your group's talk pages in the next few weeks, and respond promptly when you receive a communication from the GSGM2011 team. Thanks. _GANG Giles Sednik _CAPD 13:45, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

-Yeah, The Dead are still very active in DH, as well as the whole DMZ, as we stated on our group page. -Beans McCoy 00:43, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply here and on your group page, I've updated this list accordingly and you will be kept on the suburb listing.--_GANG Giles Sednik _CAPD 18:39, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank you to everyone who helped. The great suburb group massacre has finished and as a result Dunell Hills Liberation Army, Hard Knock Life and U.B.C.S have been removed from the suburb group listing.--_GANG Giles Sednik _CAPD 14:47, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

DHPD Removal from Groups Active in Dunell Hills

The main body of the DHPD are not, for obvious reasons (i.e. we can calculate odds and work out that taking on an opponent 10 times as large as we are is not only stupidity bordering on the suicidal but also basically not fun), operating in Dunell Hills on a regular basis at the moment. We continue to consider the suburb our home base, have a few officers still in the area doing basic scouting and helping where they can, and will resume regular operations there once it isn't clearly mind-numbingly stupid to do so.

The Dead clearly feel very strongly that this wiki is terribly compromised if the DHPD are listed as active in Dunell Hills whenever fewer than a dozen officers are present in the suburb. We are not really all that fussed exactly which group is listed on which wiki template. This being the case we are not going to get into an edit war over whether we should be listed as active in the surburb or not. Really, if this is so desperately important to the Dead, then we are happy for them to trumpet the fact that with 1500 zombies at their command they managed to keep fewer than 100 survivors out of a single suburb on the map for a couple of months. Purple Cat ~ DHPD 16:50, 9 May 2011 (BST)

3 years. --|||||||||||||||||||||||| 17:11, 9 May 2011 (BST)

-- LABIA on the INTERNET ^{Dunell Hills Corpseman} #24 - |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ^TMG 08:07, 20 May 2011 (BST)

Correction: We are keeping several thousand survivors out of several dozen suburbs for a few months. You guys we keep out with an uncoordinated group of zombies that are mostly too lazy to go to the current feeding grounds. Hate to make you feel less important but DH has been a side project at best since the March started. --|||||||||||||||||||||||||| 22:20, 31 May 2011 (BST)

Removal of DHPD Listing from Active Groups: A Clarification

It appears our previous statement was open to misinterpretation. For the record we do not, in any way, shape or form, agree that we are not a group active in Dunell Hills. However we do not consider this wiki template worth the grief involved in an edit war. Purple Cat ~ DHPD 21:49, 31 May 2011 (BST)

so your saying you are active?--^TCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 22:22, 31 May 2011 (BST)

Yep, we're still active. Cyrus Hanley 02:54, 1 June 2011 (BST)