Developing Suggestions
Developing Suggestions
This section is for presenting and reviewing suggestions which have not yet been submitted and are still being worked on.
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- Be sure to check The Frequently Suggested List and the Suggestions Dos and Do Nots before you post your idea. You can read about many ideas that have been suggested already, which users should be aware of before posting what could be a dupe: a duplicate of an existing suggestion. These include Machine Guns and Sniper Rifles.
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How To Make a Suggestion
Adding a New Suggestion
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- Paste the copied text above the other suggestions, right under the heading.
- Substitute the text in RED CAPITALS with the details of your suggestion.
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- Name - Give the suggestion a short but descriptive name.
- Type is the nature of the suggestion, such as a new class, skill change, balance change, etc. Basically: What is it? and Is it new, or a change?
- Scope is who or what the suggestion affects. Typically survivors or zombies (or both), but occasionally Malton, the game interface or something else.
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Suggestions
Stabilization
| Timestamp: --Johnny Yossarian 02:29, 29 August 2009 (BST) |
| Type: Survivor skill |
| Scope: People over level ten w/ 'doctor' tree |
| Description: Using whatever is handy, you can now stabilize your infections for 5 AP, ending damage after 25-30 turns.
Basically, this would allow infections only half of their normal lifespan, depending on whether or not you have Bodybuilding. You stabilize an infection so that, while it still does normal damage (1 hp per turn) after 25-30 turns it will end completely instead of hounding you till death. So no: If you're already low on HP this won't help you very much, but if a zombie infects you and doesn't hurt you any further, this is an quick fix, but at a cost: First of all, it costs 5 AP to use: Definitely not as easy to use as a FAK, and plus you're still damaged for 25-30 turns. Second ,(and third), you need the full doctor tree of First Aid, Surgery, and Diagnosis: And, you have to be at least level 10. I was considering putting this under Zombie Hunter skills, but it seemed to fit better here. You also CANNOT use this skill on others, only yourself. Flavor: (after stabilizing) You halt the spread of your infection, but it still hurts badly. After 12-15 turns: Your infection is starting to ache a little less now. After 25-30 turns: Your infection has been completely stabilized. How does it sound? Worth a real suggestion? |
Discussion (Stabilization)
No. Because for half, even a third of the AP you spend before the infection cures, you could find the nearest Hospital, search, and heal yourself. If you added a 10 hour cap for the infection to cure as well as the 30ap, it could work, but personally I think 25-30ap is way too much. That's 30HP before it even fixes itself. Most people get revived with 30HP and an infection, what then? --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 02:43, 29 August 2009 (BST)
No. You can use 4 AP searching for a FAK and 1 AP to use it. You gain 5 HP and you cure your infection, 15 HP if you are in a powered hospital. Your suggestion is WAY underpowered. No one would use 5 AP just for getting their infection "Stabilized", and losing 30HP. Searching for a FAK
- 10 turns for searching -10AP -10HP
- 1 turn to use it -1AP +10HP
- Something else -39AP
60HP
Using your skill
- 1 turn to use -5AP
- Something else -45AP -30HP
30HP --Orange Talk 02:46, 29 August 2009 (BST)
Actually, the "normal lifespan" of infection is UNTIL CURED. So if you get infected and then die (via the infection or not) then get revived, your STILL infected. In fact, your infected while as a zombie, you just don't take damage. Your also forgetting that most players will heal each other for the XP. You don't get XP for curing an infection, but if your infected that probably means your down 4 HP so someone WOULD get the 5 XP for healing you (and curing your infection at the same time).--Pesatyel 04:43, 29 August 2009 (BST)
Certificates
| Timestamp: Brainguard 18:59, 28 August 2009 (BST) |
| Type: Skill, Profile, Useless flavor |
| Scope: Survivors |
| Description: There would be a civilian skill under Radio Operation, Printing. People with Printing can print Certificates (with whatever text they want, 50 character limit) and give them to players in the same room for 1 AP. There would be a button with a text box, "Give Certificate to (drop-down list of players), (text box)". Certificates display on your profile like this:
"(Certifiate text)", presented by (player), and the recipient has to accept them (0 AP) first. That way, you can't just write, "Dickwad" on people's profiles. Certificates only give flavor; no XP. |
Discussion (Certificates)
Intresting, would be a REALLY effective way to PM instead of this cellphone BS --Gat 19:28, 28 August 2009 (BST)
Yay, now one person can give me hundreds of lines of text spam a day.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 20:03, 28 August 2009 (BST)
- Radio already does that. Similarly, perhaps there can be an over-arching option to auto-deny incoming certificates, giving the sender "That person has opted not to receive certificates." --Bob Boberton TF / DW
20:21, 28 August 2009 (BST) - - I'd have to agree with YK; This seems like pointless screen-spam that works exactly like speaking for communication or PMs for privacy. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 20:24, 28 August 2009 (BST)
- But it costs 1 AP, requires a skill, etc. And you have to be in the same room. --Brainguard 00:23, 29 August 2009 (BST)
What I intended this to be for is a sort of "payment" for mercenaries and bounty hunters. For example, when they collect a bounty, they could head to the DEM HQ, and the head of Rouges Gallery could present them with a certificate - "1 bounty groups". Or PK groups could give certificates, "1 kill". Pro-survivor groups could give awards this way. Mercenary groups could recieve payment this way. --Brainguard 01:14, 29 August 2009 (BST)
If you can make them anywhere, what's the point of cellphones? How about you make it to where you can only 'make' them in factories or at the very least powered buildings and then give them out? Otherwise, sounds fine to me.--Johnny Yossarian 02:34, 29 August 2009 (BST)
- Only powered Buildings and Factories.--Brainguard 00:37, 30 August 2009 (BST)
It is actually a dupe. I'll see if I can find it.--Pesatyel 04:35, 29 August 2009 (BST)
What's to stop someone from just making their own certificate for kills or getting a friend to do it? Pointless text spam that dupes PMs; if you want to metagame, then do it outside the game. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 14:51, 29 August 2009 (BST)
- Because it displays the maker of the certificate. So you can see if the actual commisioner of the MPD made it, or just some loser tenchie.--Brainguard 00:37, 30 August 2009 (BST)
- Just have him post something on your wiki page; it'll cut down tremendously on text-spam, and you can even include an iWitness shot. That's what all the sensible people do around here, anyway. Either take our advice, or send this to voting so we can watch it go down in flames; I've nothing more to say since it obviously isn't getting through. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 00:55, 30 August 2009 (BST)
- Ok, fine. But just saying, an (unverified) post on your wiki page doesn't have the same effect as verified text on your In-Game profile. --Brainguard 02:06, 30 August 2009 (BST)
- Just have him post something on your wiki page; it'll cut down tremendously on text-spam, and you can even include an iWitness shot. That's what all the sensible people do around here, anyway. Either take our advice, or send this to voting so we can watch it go down in flames; I've nothing more to say since it obviously isn't getting through. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 00:55, 30 August 2009 (BST)
I like this idea. For a start, it's easier to use than a cellphone, and I really don't see how this can lead to umpteen amounts of spam.--Degree7 02:10, 30 August 2009 (BST)
Hunger strikes
| Timestamp: Kamikazie-Bunny 15:22, 28 August 2009 (BST) |
| Type: Item & Effect |
| Scope: All Players |
| Description: Oh for the woe of a box of shreddies!
All players For every 100AP a player spends they gain a level of hunger, each level of hunger removes 5HP from their maximum HP. There are 4 levels of hunger:
Hunger level appears beneath your name/HP/XP/AP in the form "You are {Hunger level}." only if you have a hunger level. Your hunger level is reduced back to 0 if you are killed/die/revived in either zombie or survivor form, the exception being if you are killed as a zombie by a zombie. Survivors Survivors can reduce their hunger level to 0 by eating 'Canned Food'. 'Canned Food' (*enc 2%) can be found in the following buildings:
Zombies Zombies can reduce their hunger by 1 level by biting a survivor. If the zombie has digestion their hunger level is reduced to 0. |
Discussion (Hunger strikes)
No.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 15:25, 28 August 2009 (BST)
- Care to elaborate? Also just realised zombies can avoid hunger by killing each other, will try correct this. --Kamikazie-Bunny 15:26, 28 August 2009 (BST)
- No, I think what I said covers this adequately.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 17:08, 28 August 2009 (BST)
Yeah, make Malton even more of a living hell for new zombies. That'll totally fly. --Bob Boberton TF / DW 
15:53, 28 August 2009 (BST)
- Actually, its easier for zombies to ease hunger than survivors. --Brainguard 16:03, 28 August 2009 (BST)
- While I agree in part about how this will make it harder for new zombies the main argument for new zombies having difficulties is they die on a daily basis and have to stand up (which negates this) and the effort taken to get through barricades. This would only affect a new (or any) zombie after they have been active for 100 AP (two days) without dying by survivor hands which is (IME) quite rare. --Kamikazie-Bunny 16:07, 28 August 2009 (BST)
- Uh-huh. It's really easy with our beloved RNG for new zombies to A) even get to targets in the first place and then B) make them use their crappy 10%/20% bite attack to relieve hunger. --Bob Boberton TF / DW 16:25, 28 August 2009 (BST)
- I know the RNG can be a bitch but bites are actually best for gaining XP and causing damage if the Zombie only has 1 or 2 zombie combat skills... --Kamikazie-Bunny 16:38, 28 August 2009 (BST)
Better than my old idea. Though there should also be a Thirst rating that affects maximum AP (zombies would not be affected) Here's my idea for thirst-related items:
There would be a new Mall store called a "Food Court".
- Water Heater - Factories, Power Stations, Mall Hardware Stores, and Fort Storehouses. Can be installed in buildings, only works in powered buildings. In a watered building, survivors have the options to "Drink Water" (cures Thrist), "Fill Canteen" (fills 1 of the user's Canteens) and "Wash Clothes" (removes blood and fuel form clothes). Can be attacked, and has these damage levels: 'dented', 'battered', 'damaged', 'leaking', and destroyed.
- Canteen - Fire Departments, Warehouses, Mall Sports Stores, Fort Storehouses. Appears as either "Canteen (Full)" or "Canteen (Empty)". If you use a full Canteen, it cures thirst but empties the Canteen (can be filled fo 1AP in powered buildings with Water Heater).
- Fast Food - Cinema, Bar (Pub), Mall Food Court, Hotel, Fort Barracks. Cures Hunger, but, due to the diuretic nature of soda and grease of fast food, has a 50% chance of causing Thirst.
--Brainguard 16:59, 28 August 2009 (BST)
It's a good idea, but again, not for Urban Dead. A more realistic zombie sim, probably, but as far as this game is concerned, adding this would completely change the game. RinKou 16:07, 28 August 2009 (BST)
- I know it would be a big change however I'm not sure any of us know what kind of game Kevin wants urbandead to develop into. If the 'realism' isn't going to be advanced then I agree this shouldn't be added. However I hope that if this gets suggested you vote keep if you still believe this is a good idea so that Kevin is more likely to notice it if this is the direction he wants the game to head. --Kamikazie-Bunny 16:16, 28 August 2009 (BST)
It's not actually a bad suggestion, as far as hunger suggestions go, but it simply isn't suited to Urbandead. If I wanted to deal with this sort of thing then I would go and play The Sims.--The General T Sys U! P! F! 17:12, 28 August 2009 (BST)
- lol nice. Yeh an while we're at it we can get jobs and worry about our hygiene and go to the bathroom, yadda yadda. And the sims have zombies, too. The perfect criticism HA!--GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 18:29, 28 August 2009 (BST)
- The Sims - Zombie Apocalypse... Now THAT I would like, give the sims guns and the ability to barricade, throw in the compulsory zombies and tell me that's not a game you'd play. --Kamikazie-Bunny 18:48, 28 August 2009 (BST)
I'm going to stay neutral on this because I'm in a good mood... This idea has been suggested many times in different ways, I have no qualms with food and such but it, in all suggestions, makes certain areas death zones and others zombie-free... Why don't we just put in some money for people to spend at Mczeds? XD --Gat 19:31, 28 August 2009 (BST)
No. Adding a hunger meter hasn't worked for any game, ever, (The Sims and its various ripoffs being exempt) and this is no exception. Too many new items would be implemented for something that will not be fun, innovative, or more than anything but an annoyance. The realism argument makes no sense either: If this were a realistic game, every police department would have long since ran out of guns and ammo, every FAK would have been consumed, and zombies wouldn't exist in the first place! --Johnny Yossarian 01:24, 29 August 2009 (BST)
There is one thing to consider that hasn't been brought up. Zombies with Digestion can feed on corpses.--Pesatyel 04:33, 29 August 2009 (BST)
Yes, but only if the zombie hunger aspect goes away.--Maps 07:50, 29 August 2009 (BST)
Motorcycle
| Timestamp: Brainguard 00:10, 28 August 2009 (BST) |
| Type: Vehicle |
| Scope: Malton |
| Description: First of all, this isn't some dumb vehicle dupe, so don't assume it is.
Motorcyles would be special items, findable in Auto Repair Shops for ~1% search rate. They take 40-50% encumbrance, and cannot go inside buildings (the Fort Gatehouse being the exception). They can be stored in Auto-Repair Shops by a method similar to Suggestion:20080414 Personal Lockboxes, except that ONLY motorcycles can be stored this way, limit 1 per user per building. When there is a motorcycle in your inventory, you cannot enter a building. You can move normally on the map, or use the motorcycle. To use the motorcycle, you select a compass direction and you move 2 squares in that direction for 1 AP. However, motorcycles must be fuelled like generators in order to be used (1 can per 120 hours). There would also be a way to account for debris built up on roads. Roads and the outside of buildings would have a certain debris percentage. When moving through a square, the debris percentage would be the chance of failing. If you fail on a block, your motorcycle stops on that square and you get the message: Your motorcycle runs into debris. You pull it out. When you crash, there is also certain chance (~2%) your motorcycle is trashed, and you take 10 damage: Your motorcycle crashes into debris and you take 10 damage. Players with the skill Street Maintainance (requires Construction skill first) can remove debris. Likewise, zombies with the skill Street Damage (requires Ransack skill first) can put more debris in the way. Ruining a builing adds more debris to its outside. Repairing it removes debris. There - a balanced non-trenchie vehicle suggestion. EDIT: Rather than "Road Damage" and "Road Maintaiance", debris are simply created and destroyed through Ransack and Construction. Also, crashing into debris has a much larger chance (50%) of doing damage to you and trashing your cycle. Attacking a survivor on a powered motorcyle does extra damage and gives zombies more XP. Killing a survivor on a cycle destroys the cycle and gives extra XP. --Brainguard 18:46, 28 August 2009 (BST). |
====Discussion (Motorcycle)====
I would just say simplify it to "ruins = debris, non-ruined = debris-free." Still makes you manuever, without the added skills/actions performed outside. You should only be able to get into ARs if they're normally accessible (VSB+2 or less) as well. Beyond that... fast travel's controversial. And the crash percentage is high - though if it's only possible on ruin squares, it might be workable. --Bob Boberton TF / DW 01:26, 28 August 2009 (BST)
- Ok, but how will the system work on roads? Maybe you can ruin roads? --Brainguard 03:09, 28 August 2009 (BST)
I don't know if it's a vehicle dupe, but it's still dumb. As if survivors weren't strong enough, you want to let them double their large-scale movement? This solves no in-game problem, and multiplied by a billion would completely effect the way sieges worked; zombies could ruin an entire suburb, only to have the survivors potter on over to the nearest mall or NT a whole burb away to stock up because they didn't spend forever utterly trashing the outside of every single building. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 03:24, 28 August 2009 (BST)
- But they technically couldn't, because of the debris factor from ruins. Ruining it alone will make it hard to move. Plus, there's a chance to fall off --Brainguard 03:42, 28 August 2009 (BST)
- Look, there's two ways this can go:
- If this makes survivor movement easier and more efficient, then all my above arguments stand. Survivors will just motorcycle across the map and TRP access will be changed forever.
- If this doesn't make that movement easier, then it's useless and worthless spam.
- Nobody Expects the Spanish Inquisition.
- Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 04:11, 28 August 2009 (BST)
- Look, there's two ways this can go:
Spam. Just say no to godlike movement abilities. The game is balanced to prevent people from moving all the way across the city in a single day. And for good reason. --WanYao 03:30, 28 August 2009 (BST)
- But remember, you have to keep it fuelled, keep clear of ruins, etc. I could change to fuel limit to 24 hours. --Brainguard 03:42, 28 August 2009 (BST)
This could actually work, although I don't believe street damage should be a separate skill. It would work well as a feature of ransack --Bwii 03:56, 28 August 2009 (BST)
- Good idea.--Brainguard 04:00, 28 August 2009 (BST)
It's not TECHNICALLY a dupe, but vehicles have been suggested a few times. The main flaw with such suggestions is this. They are all TELEPORTATION. If I am trying to go from point A to point E, I have to click on B, C, D and E and that takes time, even if that "time" is only as fast as it takes for me to click on "B", for the page to load, for me to click on "C", for the page to load, for me to click on "D", for the page to load and finally for me to click on "E".. The computer is inherently faster then that, especially if you consider you don't need to worry abouty anything happening at B and D (since the computer would automatically bypass them). Any players active in those squares wouldn't have a chance to react. Not to mention, what if you are trying to get to D? Or B? There is also the fact that survivors are inherently faster, not just because they start a 1 AP per, but because they can Free Run. Also, you should automatically crash (and take significant damage) when you hit debris.--Pesatyel 05:46, 28 August 2009 (BST)
Prehaps it could be if a building is ruined then the square outside has debris on it but pesatyel also makes some good points --Posydon (talk)(MCM)(UBCS) 12:22, 28 August 2009 (BST)
It's a lot better thought out than most vehicle suggestions, that's for sure. But still, as above, balance issues. Besides, if you're moving two squares per click, you won't even be able to see where you're heading without consulting a map. RinKou 16:09, 28 August 2009 (BST)
- Balance? There could be increased accuracy and extra XP when attacking survivors with motorcycles.
- I admit not being able to see where you're going ould be a problem, but that's the point of recon. Plus, you can't enter buildings or Free Run with it. So no risk of flying into ruins. --Brainguard 17:06, 28 August 2009 (BST)
Ok brain, heres the situation, UD isn't really big on the vehicle things... trust me I created a giant one a while back and I got basically no responses and those mentioned were all rants about my ideas. Vehicles are intresting but they seem kinda OOC for urban dead... (kinda like green zones) --Gat 19:37, 28 August 2009 (BST)
Oh, and there's one other issue. If you can move two squares but only see one... how will you even know there's debris in the way? Whoops, you just hit something you couldn't see before, here's a broken motorcycle and 10 damage. I just don't see a way to fix this, as extending viewing range is bad for both the server and in general gameplay-wise. --Bob Boberton TF / DW 19:41, 28 August 2009 (BST)
- I got it! Instead of moving two spaces, you move 1 but there is only a 50% hance of using any AP. Roads with high debris amounts could appear differently on the map, maybe with different color or some other formattin change. --Brainguard 02:09, 30 August 2009 (BST)
Beta-Ville! (Thats not the sanctioned title, just something I'm kicking around the office in my head)
| Timestamp: Devorac 06:22, 27 August 2009 (BST) |
| Type: New Testing City (NTC) |
| Scope: All Enormous Suggestions |
| Description: How many times have you seen a suggestion that has amazing potential, that is amazing potential to either be amazingly cool, or to break the system in a truly amazing fashion, but the catch is you have no idea until the suggestion is implemented what will happen!
Now most of the time you can make an informed hypothesis about the probable effect of a particular change, and on little things you will be correct almost all of the time. For instance The "Just a Knife" suggestion, it only changed the name of a thing, this means that the effect will be near nil. Now let's say we are to consider the Augmented fear that's under discussion now, that one can pan out in a great number of ways some good, some bad, some that really don't make much difference and only addd complication. Now instead of being forced to either ditch it completely or implement it, why not create a city where large scale suggestion could be tested without breaking any of the other burbs? In this new testing city (Reffered to as NTC from here on) Kevan -or a particularly motivated team sanctioned by kevan- could implement new suggestions in full scale tests without hurting malton. This allows for suggestions to be refined further than they could be before by putting them under live-fire conditions, the residents of the NTC should probably mostly be suggesters themselves (if you know how to make something then you'll probably be better at ripping it to shreds as well) to help stress testing and so that they can provide experienced, intelligent *Eyes several people* feedback. I know every experienced Suggester here has/had something they would love to get testing for, but if we decided to test everything then the coding alone would be more demanding than mass genocide. So there would have to be a set of fairly rigorous conditions first, it would have to be of sufficient scope that beta-testing in the NTC would be worthwhile, and it would have to be passed by a sufficient majority of people willing to test it -willing to test, way different from voting keep. I would vote kill on most of the SMG suggestions i've seen, but there are a few i'd like to test out the intricacies of- so that if it is implemented there will be people to use it and provide sufficient feedback. Alright, your thoughts, wants, etc |
Discussion (Beta-Ville! (Thats not the sanctioned title, just something I'm kicking around the office in my head))
Sounds good to me! Of course I wouldn't have to do any of the coding for it or pay for the servers but hell yes I'll show up and test stuff.--GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 07:54, 27 August 2009 (BST)
I like it, but it's a little idealistic, this could potentially give Kevan hours and hours of work with little payoff... In the end, Kevan knows what he will want to implement, and that's all that matters. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 08:06, 27 August 2009 (BST)
- It would be a team sanctioned by Kevan. That way, they could show him what worked and what didn't. --Brainguard 15:06, 27 August 2009 (BST)
Finally the idiot trenchie can see that his suggestions are retarded, the whiny zombie can see how stupid it is to exterminate survivors, and the suggestion page aristocrats can be unthroned. --Brainguard 15:05, 27 August 2009 (BST)
It'd probably suffer from the same problems as Boringwood and Moronville - lack of participants. Sure, we might get a few hundred, but that's hardly representative of the ~25,000 in Malton. Also, I'd bet that certain players would stop using this NTC if something undesirable (to them) were to be implemented there. Well, if a ZL suggestion were implemented, it'd be a ghost town in no time. --Bob Boberton TF / DW 15:29, 27 August 2009 (BST)
There's plenty of precedent for changing the rules mid-game in Monroeville, so this is effectively a dupe of in-game. All that's required is for Kevan to reopen the city and start tweaking the rules to try various options. It would, of course, be slow going, as you'd want to test each change individually and give each of them a while to show their effect before implementing another, but it'd be worth it, I think.--Necrofeelinya 15:51, 27 August 2009 (BST)
You could make it only the size of one or two 'burbs so that it wouldn't be hard to code. It would have a Fort, a Mall, some typical buildings and TRPs, and an "Army testing ground" (empty blocks where new weapons could be found and tested). --Brainguard 00:10, 28 August 2009 (BST)
- Good idea, that both makes it so you don't have to code as much, plus you don't have to have as many people to run effective tests. If malton is 10 by 10 then how about 3 by 3, or 4 by 4?-Devorac 00:48, 28 August 2009 (BST)
- I'm thinking it wouldn't just be the coders playing - anyone could join, too. The TRPs and Mall would be to test the effect on full-scale seiges. --Brainguard 03:12, 28 August 2009 (BST)
- Remember:Too much better than climaxville!!..Betaville is the Fictional City of another game...try to change ir later...And sound ok for ...Is only a city for test of people can enter?---(x)AlvaromesaTalk | Bacardi |MPD | Malton Public Radio 04:14, 28 August 2009 (BST)
- People can enter. And here's my idea for the "Army Testing Complex", which would be used to test prototype items:
| Testing Ground | Testing Ground | Testing Ground | Testing Ground | 'Testing Ground |
| Testing Ground | Testing Ground | Testing Ground | Testing Ground | 'Testing Ground |
| Shooting Range | Shooting Range | Shooting Range | Shooting Range | Shooting Range |
| Silo | Guard Tower | Road | Hangar | Secret Research Facility |
| Wasteland | Fort Storehouse | Fort Gatehouse | Fort Barracks | Wasteland |
- Testing Ground - empty blocks
- Shooting Range - tall buildings for testing sniper-related suggestions
- Silo - where prototype weapons could be found
- Guard Tower - PD, just for flavor
- Hangar - where new vehicles could be found
- Secret Reaseach Facility - where new medical and NT items culd be found
New items would first only be available in the Testing Complex. Once proven to be bug-free, they would be tested in the rest of Beta-Ville for balance. --Brainguard 16:19, 28 August 2009 (BST)
Good idea in theory but I don't see it as practical. --Kamikazie-Bunny 15:37, 28 August 2009 (BST)
Okay the idea of special buildings for the items, I don't like at all. The items should be found 'as they would be naturally found if implemented in malton.' That gives you a bit more accurate idea of how this will work, the point is not for this to be flooded with trenchies who want to test automatic shotguns, but for suggestions to beta tested on a small scale world that replicates malton. If the NTC is going to be 4-by-4 then there should be two forts and two malls (bit unbalanced, but we would need at least one that survivors can access at all times for testing) so if your SMG is found in an armory you go grab it from an armory not from a silo. If your Black powder rifle is found in a museum THEN IT IS FOUND IN A MUSEUM, and not in strange facilities, Etc. Zombies who beta should have the opportunity to start with one of the new zombie skills, survivors should have the opportunity to start with a new item. All big changes (hunger/fear/motorcycles/mutant space goats) would be implemented on one particular quadrant. This prevents weird feedbacks between different ideas, allowing you to test multiple ideas at the same time, just in different areas allowing you to preserve the purity of your tests. -Devorac 20:37, 28 August 2009 (BST)
Betaville sounds fun.--Maps 20:41, 28 August 2009 (BST)
Climaxville
| Timestamp: BlueSpurt 00:43, 27 August 2009 (BST) |
| Type: New city. |
| Scope: Cool people. |
Description: So we all know that Malton sucks balls. It's boring and everything is destroyed. Therefore, I say we open a new city - Climaxville. The city would be administrated by DanceDanceRevolution, Boxy and Devorac and that Kevan guy or whatever he's called would pay for the servers and shit. This way, when a good suggestion comes along, the guys can like, put it in their city right away and make the city awesome and whatso. The city would hold home to many cool and unique places including: the Wikipedia Building, Burger King and Bill Cosby's House. So, what do you think?
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Discussion (Climaxville)
Your basis is bad, and you should feel bad. --Bob Boberton TF / DW 00:53, 27 August 2009 (BST)
While I appreciate being made administrator of a new city, I don't think that you should give that to someone who joined the wikipedia group less than a month ago. Also I would like to say, WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU THINKING??!
- Creation of a new area as a testing grounds for new ideas= awesome idea one that I will have to champion of your just going to be sarcastic.
- You being bitter because the majority of your ideas have died in flames= understandable.
- You doing something stupid to get back at people= Not the best maneuver, it not only makes you look like a dick but it also makes people equate "new testing city" with that sarcastic idea that a bitter suggester made.
Think hard, roll with the punches, and use developing suggestions with either the purpose of providing pleasure or to add constructive input. -Devorac 01:29, 27 August 2009 (BST)
- RE: I'm sorry? I'm not just going to be sarcastic, I don't understand what's up with everybody. It's not an attack at anyone...
Meh, fuck off you vandalizing troll; no one gives a shit about the fact that you're getting butthurt because your suggestion sucked. Try either learning to take criticism or making suggestions that don't suck in the future. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 02:36, 27 August 2009 (BST)
- RE: I really don't care about suggestions I make. I can take criticism, what has that got to do with anything? Will someone fucking explain what I've done wrong? This was supposed to be a humorous suggestion...
- Yeah, it was "humorous" until you started pissing all over the suggestions system with it, breaking anti-spam rules, and trying to falsify evidence to cover it up. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 03:29, 28 August 2009 (BST)
- What did you do wrong? This area is not FOR humorous suggestions. Also, if YOU don't "care about your suggestions", why should we? And if we don't why are you wasting everyone's time (not to mention the limited space on this page) with stuff no one will care about?--Pesatyel 05:59, 28 August 2009 (BST)
- RE: I really don't care about suggestions I make. I can take criticism, what has that got to do with anything? Will someone fucking explain what I've done wrong? This was supposed to be a humorous suggestion...
Wow. I'm trying to decide whether or not this is the worst "new city" suggestions I've ever read.--Pesatyel 04:47, 27 August 2009 (BST)
I thought that this was a humorous suggestion...-- Uberursathis bear wants honey 06:04, 27 August 2009 (BST)
- Please not let the children made more suggestion...next time we are going to fight zombie Pokemons--(x)AlvaromesaTalk | Bacardi |MPD | Malton Public Radio 04:19, 28 August 2009 (BST)
You lost me at "the guys can like,". --Kamikazie-Bunny 15:39, 28 August 2009 (BST)
Head Desk
| Timestamp: --Papa Johnny 15:28, 26 August 2009 (BST) |
| Type: Adding important realism to the game |
| Scope: Survivors. |
| Description: Survivors now get a button labeled "Head Desk." This button only appears indoors. Upon clicking it, the action will cause 1 damage to the player, display "You deliberately hit your head onto a desk for 1 damage," and other players will see "X hit his head onto a desk." This would be an important addition to the game and clearly must have been left out by mistake. Also, you cannot die by damage caused by using this. This action would cost 1 ap and would not be affected by infection. |
Discussion (Head Desk)
Game balancing suggestion ♥ Moonie Talk Testimonials 15:30, 26 August 2009 (BST)
If you were fucking a sparkly vampire, you would not need this. --dgw 15:33, 26 August 2009 (BST)
- [1]..... --Papa Johnny 15:35, 26 August 2009 (BST)
- You would once you realized due to the lack of pumping blood vampires can't "get it up" ♥ Moonie Talk Testimonials 15:39, 26 August 2009 (BST)
- Unfounded assumptions about vampire anatomy, all the vampires I've known have been able to get it up. --dgw 15:43, 26 August 2009 (BST)
- It would seem you have been had then by men (not real vampires) taking advantage of your unhealthy teen obsession with twilight, i'm sorry :( ♥ Moonie Talk Testimonials 15:45, 26 August 2009 (BST)
- Unfounded assumptions about vampire anatomy, all the vampires I've known have been able to get it up. --dgw 15:43, 26 August 2009 (BST)
I also approve of this suggestion. --Fiffy 404 ♥ OBR ♥ RRF 15:52, 26 August 2009 (BST)
What's the AP cost on this? .1? Besides that missing piece of information, this suggestion is A++++ would vote strong keep again. --Bob Boberton TF / DW 16:00, 26 August 2009 (BST)
- Added 1 ap cost and note about infection to prevent death culting abuse. --Papa Johnny 16:01, 26 August 2009 (BST)
- Suggestion upgraded to A++++++ would vote strong keep every time thanks to abuse limitations. --Bob Boberton TF / DW 16:03, 26 August 2009 (BST)
- Suggestion upgraded to A++++++ would vote strong keep every time thanks to abuse limitations. --Bob Boberton TF / DW
You are obviously taking the piss, however take away the damage and it would add a little harmless humour to the game so Meh :) --Honestmistake 17:01, 26 August 2009 (BST)
- The damage was actually included to try and keep people from spamming it constantly and make them think twice before doing it 49 times. --Papa Johnny 17:12, 26 August 2009 (BST)
- DUPE! Oh god what a dupe. I will dupe the flavor out of this duping dupe. Oh gawd oh gawd dupe dupe dupe...
- oh god.
- dupe--GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 17:20, 26 August 2009 (BST)
- Wrong suggestion. --Papa Johnny 17:23, 26 August 2009 (BST)
- dupe--GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 17:20, 26 August 2009 (BST)
- Just for a second assuming you are serious I would have to point out how easy this would make leveling for zergers who normally use whack n Fak to advance. --Honestmistake 17:47, 26 August 2009 (BST)
- They would hit each their characters and FAK them anyways to level up, this doesnt change anything, they would X attacked Y then Y attacked X, now they just have X and healing X...perhaps there is a way to prevent XP from the FAK process if you head desked. Other then that is is balanced well to avoid Death Cultists abuse and would add much needed humor to the game. --
22:57, 26 August 2009 (BST) - Meh, it's not abuseable enough for leveling for it to be a concern in my book given FAK find rates. --Papa Johnny 23:53, 26 August 2009 (BST)
- They would hit each their characters and FAK them anyways to level up, this doesnt change anything, they would X attacked Y then Y attacked X, now they just have X and healing X...perhaps there is a way to prevent XP from the FAK process if you head desked. Other then that is is balanced well to avoid Death Cultists abuse and would add much needed humor to the game. --
I support this suggestion unequivocally, as per Moonie. Now as for the zerg-levelling thing... If you made it a function of a skill you have to buy, then it'd be "balanced". Because it'd be the same as buying a couple of gun skills and going nuts. Question is, what skill? Headshot? Makes sense, but there are some characters who never buy Headshot (I have an alt or two like that) so it kinda shafts that RP choice :\ Any other ideas? --WanYao 00:39, 27 August 2009 (BST)
- I think I've got it: Memories of Life! :D --WanYao 00:40, 27 August 2009 (BST)
- lol!!! I like this idea as it would give me somethign to do when I want to waste AP :D --Gat 01:38, 27 August 2009 (BST)
It's a great suggestion, but be sure to submit it to Humorous Suggestions instead of the normal system. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 02:37, 27 August 2009 (BST)
- Flavor and realism, not humorous. It's not nearly ridiculous enough to be humorous. --Papa Johnny 05:30, 27 August 2009 (BST)
A Quick Nap
| Timestamp: Villard 18:03, 25 August 2009 (BST) Villard |
| Type: Game Change |
| Scope: Survivors, mainly new players |
| Description: The basic idea is simple. At low levels, most survivors don't have an easy source of healing. They find it hard to get into hospitals, and use up their little FAKS very quickly because they aren't any good with them. An infection is a slow death sentence for them. I was thinking of allowing survivors a "rest" option, that would essentially be converting your AP into HP. I was thinking 5 AP for 5 HP, though the rate could easily be bumped higher.
Higher level players have much more useful things to with their AP, so this wouldn't change things much for them, except allowing them to get into negative AP for some small gain, but it would really help the lower-leveled ones from slowly trickling down to 0 HP from the various hazards they face, or get back up to full after reviving. |
Discussion (A Quick Nap)
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Every newbie survivor quickly learns to keep at least one FAK around to cure infections. If they fail that there are other options including finding a hospital, searching and hoping the RNG is feeling nice. Otherwise just sit tight in a safehouse and hope another survivor heals you rather than wasting your own AP and HP. If you don't use AP, the infection is no threat. So even if you're in the nasty spot of being without a FAK, they are plenty of viable alternatives already. Infection is weak enough without allowing survivors an indefinite way to postpone death by simply trading away their AP for another 5 searches. -- 
RoosterDragon 
19:20, 25 August 2009 (BST)
Surprisingly enough, this isn't a stupid or horrible suggestion; it's just a useless one. At this stage in the game, newbies are about the only characters seriously vulnerable to infections over a long period of time; call your group, metagame, keep a FAK handy, and remember that zombies are players too. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 22:40, 25 August 2009 (BST)
Making early game easier is a good idea, but, like Lelouch said, it's a bit unnecessary. As far as I can tell, there's a lot of VSB only resource buildings. EHB ones generally only appear in contested suburbs, where new survivors would be killed quickly, infection or not. RinKou 00:35, 26 August 2009 (BST)
As a zombie one of my favorite actions is wearing a newb survivor down to low health and then infecting them, delighting in the knowledge that they will suffer an ignoble death. Please don't take my sunshine away. =) --GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 01:41, 26 August 2009 (BST)
1) It nerfs infection. Yes it sucks that low levels are affect more easily then others but it is not THAT hard to find a FAK or get healing which leads to 2) People will frequently heal each other in order to get easy XP. Granted this suggestion doesn't really affect healing for XP THAT much, the author's reasoning for the suggestion IS already "taken care of" in the game.--Pesatyel 07:04, 26 August 2009 (BST)
You wanna convert AP to HP? Search for some Faks. Ergo, dupe of in-game effect. Kinda. Sorta. ;P But, seriously... --WanYao 10:33, 26 August 2009 (BST)
Oh well, I tried didn't I? That's what developing suggestions is for anyway. I'll be back! Villard
Toolbox vs. Heavy Barricades
| Timestamp: -- boxy talk • teh rulz 13:20 25 August 2009 (BST) |
| Type: Accuracy change |
| Scope: Survivors removing barricades over VS |
| Description: Toolboxes are carried around by dedicated, maintenance orientated survivors, and would contain tools like pribars, hammers, handsaws, etc., that are perfect for removing the tangle of barricade material when the cades are more than VSB, but it's tools arn't very helpful when just levering away lighter cades, which just requires brute strength.
The mechanics of this suggestion is that the halving of the melee weapon hit rate when aimed at barricades be removed from toolboxes, just like is currently the case with the crowbar, giving the toolbox a slightly higher hit rate (25% vs. 20%), but once the cades come down to VSB, the bonus is removed from the toolbox. |
Discussion (Toolbox vs. Heavy Barricades)
I like this, so long as the crowbar is still alot better than the toolbox.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 15:17, 25 August 2009 (BST)
- It isn't, the crowbar's accuracy against barricades is 20%, with this, the toolbox would have and accuracy of 25%. I don't like it because it encourages the tearing down of barricades from the inside to VSB. While that is not a death sentence, I don't want a death cultist or a griefer coming along and tearing down my barricades when I'm holding off zombies outside of a building. The only use I see for this is to encourage the aforementioned activities because a crowbar does the same job for less encumbrance and a maxed-out survivor can just as easily use a fire axe as a crowbar to tear down barricades, especially most survivors have one on them anyway. -- Uberursathis bear wants honey 19:49, 25 August 2009 (BST)
- Then I disapprove. The Crowbar should always be the best weapon for decading. And Uberursa, as far as I can see, the primary purpose of this would be dealing with overcading, from a survivor's perspective.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 20:12, 25 August 2009 (BST)
- I like it. Overbarricading is one of the most annoying things for survivors of all levels. Especially newbs. So let's make the game more fun, give survivors a nice way to bring the cades to VSB and let the good times roll.--GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 01:44, 26 August 2009 (BST)
- Anything that allows survivors to lower barricade levels also allows survivors to lower barricade levels; beware of griefing potential. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 03:07, 26 August 2009 (BST)
- That's why it's limited to heavily and above barricades, and balanced by being a toolbox with a huge encumbrance. Overbarricading by paranoid survivors (rather than griefers) is annoying to a survivor character trying to keep an area "newbie friendly", because it's almost impossible to do anything about it... I've thought about it, and the best option (hell, make that the only option) would be to jump out a window, and start clawing -- boxy talk • teh rulz 11:02 26 August 2009 (BST)
- Everyone carries a toolbox anyway. The encumbrance isn't going to dissuade them. Crowbars should always be the best decading weapon for survivors, because that's the point of the crowbar. Make the crowbar better in that barricade bracket, don't make something else better than the crowbar.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 11:28, 26 August 2009 (BST)
- That's why it's limited to heavily and above barricades, and balanced by being a toolbox with a huge encumbrance. Overbarricading by paranoid survivors (rather than griefers) is annoying to a survivor character trying to keep an area "newbie friendly", because it's almost impossible to do anything about it... I've thought about it, and the best option (hell, make that the only option) would be to jump out a window, and start clawing -- boxy talk • teh rulz 11:02 26 August 2009 (BST)
- Anything that allows survivors to lower barricade levels also allows survivors to lower barricade levels; beware of griefing potential. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 03:07, 26 August 2009 (BST)
- Unfortunately, the axe is "technically" better at debarricading then the crowbar when you get axe profiency. Both are 20% against barricades, so why bother carrying a crowbar too? Oh and, even with the suggestion's limitations, you don't like it?--Pesatyel 07:16, 26 August 2009 (BST)
- I would support making the crowbar better or making a skill that allowed a survivor to better use the crowbar and/or fire axe for dealing with over barricading. This is simply for realistic purposes, because a screwdriver isn't going to be as effective as a crowbar when getting rid of things in the way. In other words, a toolbox is meant to build while a crowbar is meant to destroy. -- Uberursathis bear wants honey 20:56, 26 August 2009 (BST)
- I like it. Overbarricading is one of the most annoying things for survivors of all levels. Especially newbs. So let's make the game more fun, give survivors a nice way to bring the cades to VSB and let the good times roll.--GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 01:44, 26 August 2009 (BST)
- Then I disapprove. The Crowbar should always be the best weapon for decading. And Uberursa, as far as I can see, the primary purpose of this would be dealing with overcading, from a survivor's perspective.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 20:12, 25 August 2009 (BST)
Maybe he should just [change] it from "toolbox" to "crowbar".--Pesatyel 04:31, 27 August 2009 (BST)
- The reason I didn't just buff the crowbar is that I can't see any flavour reason that would fit having a crowbar work better for heavy barricades, but not make it better at completely removing them. Making the toolbox better at removing high cade levels, was the perfect flavour solution (as explained above), and also a way of ensuring that there would be a cost involved in the boost. But the cost (carrying a heavy toolbox) only applied to survivors who weren't already wholly survivor/maintenance orientated. As Yonnua Koponen pointed out above, "everyone carries a toolbox anyway"... this isn't correct. The only people who already carry a toolbox are ones that find them useful. People who maintain suburbs for survivors. PKers and death cultists have very little need for a toolbox as it is, and are much better off filling up on weapons, FAKs, weapons, syringes and more weapons. By making these "anti-survivor" types carry another piece of (damn heavy) equipment that they wouldn't otherwise, it makes it less likely to be used as a griefing tool, as would no doubt happen if crowbars were buffed to any degree nearing what zombies can do with their claws. (btw. I added a word to your post above, please let me know if I got it wrong) -- boxy talk • teh rulz 02:00 29 August 2009 (BST)
- This is the perfect setup for adding a dynamic for countering over-barricading in an interesting way. The intricacies behind the choice of item, flavour and resultant balancing are off the scale awe-inspiring for such a simple change on the face of it. Would strong keep and possibly create socks to strong keep too. -- RoosterDragon 02:29, 29 August 2009 (BST)
- No prob. I liked the idea, but I do see a problem with the crowbar being took weak at its "job". I mean it is the ONLY weapon that isn't halved against barricade but even then it is still, technically, inferior to an axe once you get the two skills. Just something that needs to be considered in a suggestion about debarricading. As for the correction to my post...doh!--Pesatyel 04:23, 29 August 2009 (BST)
- This is the perfect setup for adding a dynamic for countering over-barricading in an interesting way. The intricacies behind the choice of item, flavour and resultant balancing are off the scale awe-inspiring for such a simple change on the face of it. Would strong keep and possibly create socks to strong keep too. --
BARRICADE NOTICE
| Timestamp: Jmadsen 13:06, 24 August 2009 (BST) |
| Type: An announcement when you add to/destroy barricades |
| Scope: Survivors |
| Description: Simple - when a survivor adds to or destroys barricades, announce it in the building ("Dickwad added to the barricades"). So when people keep telling Dickwad not to cade up to EHB, and then he shoves another #$%& chair in front of the door, the entire building can fill him full of lead and use thier axes on his head like a pinata.
That's right - I'm talkng to you, Dickwad! |
Discussion (BARRICADE NOTICE)
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It's basically a dupe of in-game. It shows when someone adds to barricades already, but only their first barricade action. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 13:10, 24 August 2009 (BST) uhm, don't get you. You mean, I barricade...it says something, then as long as I stay in the same place, I can barricade without a notice?
If that's correct, then mine is NOT a dupe, because it doesn't solve the issue I am trying to address. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jmadsen (talk • contribs) at an unknown time.
- Yeah, that's what is in the game. Otherwise we'd get too much spam. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 13:16, 24 August 2009 (BST)
Then lets change this to every time it change level? (Ex. VSB-->HB) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jmadsen (talk • contribs) 13:20, 24 August 2009.
- Probably still a bit much. I'd just go for the one change from VSB++ to HB. "Some guy strengthened the barricades and made the building unenterable from street level". Addresses your problem without masses of spam. I have good money somebody will turn up a dupe of it though. -- RoosterDragon 13:24, 24 August 2009 (BST)
- Sure, that would solve it. I searched about, but didn't find anything similar.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jmadsen (talk • contribs) at an unknown time.
- I'd actually be for that sort of thing. --Bob Boberton TF / DW 19:43, 24 August 2009 (BST)
- You could just have it use the ...and again the game already does with most repetitive actions.(Unless it does that already and I'm just babbling like a moron)-- Uberursathis bear wants honey 20:07, 24 August 2009 (BST)
- I'd actually be for that sort of thing. --Bob Boberton TF / DW
- Sure, that would solve it. I searched about, but didn't find anything similar.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jmadsen (talk • contribs) at an unknown time.
Suggestion:20070704 Barricade Alerts -- boxy talk • teh rulz 20:58 24 August 2009 (BST)
- Well darn. I mean, yay! *stumbles off* --Bob Boberton TF / DW 21:32, 24 August 2009 (BST)
- I'm not sure if he's trying to suggest that is a dupe because the suggestion is from Undecided.--Pesatyel 04:43, 25 August 2009 (BST)
- Ah, sorry - didn't know about the Undecided list. What does that mean, exactly? Kevan or some group will look at it and make a final decision? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jmadsen (talk • contribs) 04:10, August 25, 2009.
- Undecided basically means a suggestion didn't quite get enough keep votes to make Peer Review. The original idea, as I understand it, was that the "almost made it to PR" type of suggestions went to Undecided so that, later, they could be resurrected and discussed again and/or tinkered with (especially if some significant game change occured). The problem, now, is that suggestion never GO to Undecided anymore. Either they are easily kept or quickly spammed. Or worse, given the ambiguous "dupe" vote (in which if the same word appears in both ideas it is automatically considered a dupe). The reason I even brought it up is that there are people that would say it WAS a dupe, even though it was in Undecided.--Pesatyel 05:42, 25 August 2009 (BST)
- Undecided suggestions are eligible for duping, they're workable suggestions that simply didn't get a clear majority (PR) -- boxy talk • teh rulz 09:58 25 August 2009 (BST)
- Then all those suggestion should be moved to Peer Rejected, should they not? How does that work exactly that they are considered "dupeable"?--Pesatyel 07:18, 26 August 2009 (BST)
- Undecided suggestions are eligible for duping, they're workable suggestions that simply didn't get a clear majority (PR) -- boxy talk • teh rulz 09:58 25 August 2009 (BST)
- Ah, sorry - didn't know about the Undecided list. What does that mean, exactly? Kevan or some group will look at it and make a final decision? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jmadsen (talk • contribs) 04:10, August 25, 2009.
- I'm not sure if he's trying to suggest that is a dupe because the suggestion is from Undecided.--Pesatyel 04:43, 25 August 2009 (BST)
TUCOK -BBHHN- (The United Churches Of Kevan) -Blessed be his holy name-
| Timestamp: Devorac 09:05, 24 August 2009 (BST) |
| Type: Humorous suggestion that I felt like writing because I'm bored, depressed and need to make myself laugh damnit. |
| Scope: All Kevanists |
| Description: Why is it that Kevan the one true god of malton does not have his own church? Why is it that an imposter has churches in malton, a city who's God has come forth and the citizens know of his glory?
I come before you humbly putting forth my suggestion to rectify this situation, this... atrocity. Four Churches of Kevan -Blessed be his holy name- should be erected, one in each corner of malton to signify his presence in all points of malton, this churches will be as standard churches, and shall be made according to Kevan's -Blessed be his holy name- will. But Behold! Kevan -Blessed be his holy name- the Great and terrible God of malton needs more than just a few small churches to signify his cyber-divinity! In the exact center of malton a great cathedral shall be erected, the cathedral of our Lord Kevan the omnipotent who punishes Zerger with a stern hand, shelters those who walk the path, and smites thos who exploit it! Kevan -Blessed be his holy name- is an active God however, in the cathedral there shall be set forth a button, and lo that button shall be on the screen of thine computer and it shall say unto ye "Pick up statuette Of Keven" -Blessed be his holy name-. This statuette is not only a symbol of our lord it is also an instrument that we may direct our prayers through. (Thou mayest also pick up a statuette at a normal church but it must be searched for, it's search odds replace that of the crucifix in the Churches of Kevan -Blessed be his holy name-.) As a survivor you may through the Grace of Kevan -Blessed be his holy name- pray for assistance, but Kevan -Blessed be his holy name- is not a kind and benevolent god, answering his servants whims with whatever they desire, forsooth he is a god of dualities life and death, zombie and survivor, Pkers and pro-survivors, and his answer to your prayers reflects his duality. There is a 5% Chance for a survivors prayer to Kevan -Blessed be his holy name- being answered at all and it can have the following effects,
NOTE: Only one answered prayer per block, per day. Kevan -Blessed be his holy name- does Not favor survivors exclusively, indeed a zombie may take a statuette of Kevan -Blessed be his holy name- if he has proven himself worthy and has gained access to the cathedral of Kevan -Blessed be his holy name-. If a zombie possesses a statuette of Kevan -Blessed be his holy name- there is a 10% chance that for every 12 AP spent Kevan -Blessed be his holy name- will come to help or to hinder.
For reasons that are unclear to anybody (including myself) I believe this will be perfectly balanced and will not upset the game at all. If you disagree with me I will make silly and non-relevant justifications for petting my cat.
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Discussion (TUCOK -BBHHN- (The United Churches Of Kevan) -Blessed be his holy name-)
*contemplates whether putting unfunny Humourous suggestions to DS is vandalism* --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 09:43, 24 August 2009 (BST)
- No as I'm having in DS to develop it's funnyocity, therefore it is a proper use of DevSug. -Devorac 09:45, 24 August 2009 (BST)
- As long as you don't actually go and submit it to the regular Suggestions system it isn't vandalism. That said, I wouldn't push my luck too hard. Cyberbob Talk 10:06, 24 August 2009 (BST)
- It has nothing to do with vandalism or humor. This is a waste of space. There is only so much room on the page for LEGITIMATE discussion of LEGITIMATE suggestions. You want some fun? Put it on your own page and put a link in your sig.--Pesatyel 04:47, 25 August 2009 (BST)
- *Smiles mirthlessly* Right now there are so many suggestions that are a waste of space that I doubt one (and one that at least a few people think is funny) is going to destroy the world as we know it. Chill... breathe deep in the blue. -Devorac 09:37, 26 August 2009 (BST)
- It has nothing to do with vandalism or humor. This is a waste of space. There is only so much room on the page for LEGITIMATE discussion of LEGITIMATE suggestions. You want some fun? Put it on your own page and put a link in your sig.--Pesatyel 04:47, 25 August 2009 (BST)
- As long as you don't actually go and submit it to the regular Suggestions system it isn't vandalism. That said, I wouldn't push my luck too hard. Cyberbob Talk 10:06, 24 August 2009 (BST)
ALL HAIL KEVAN (BLESSED BE HIS HOLY NAME)!!!!!! -- Uberursathis bear wants honey 20:11, 24 August 2009 (BST)
- HAIL KEVAN! -Blessed be his holy name-
Why not put some section that allows butthurt trenchies to bitch at kevan or his holder, causing him to either not give a crap or smite them? Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 22:39, 24 August 2009 (BST)
- Nah, Kevan -Blessed be his holy name- automatically smites those who just complain and whine without trying to change things. -Devorac 22:49, 24 August 2009 (BST)
to quote nick cave, "i don't believe in an interventionist god" --10:35, 26 August 2009 (BST)
- Not even if that god has his own page on wikipedia? -Devorac 00:05, 27 August 2009 (BST)
- kevanism isn't in doubt; it's an absolute fact! All bow down to kevan! Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 02:45, 27 August 2009 (BST)
Conditions
| Timestamp: Brainguard 01:50, 24 August 2009 (BST) |
| Type: Game change, new item |
| Scope: Survivors |
Description: Survivors, due to the stress of zombie combat, would begin to have different conditions:
Conditions
It is possible to have multiple conditions at the same time (except that new alchohol-related conditions replace old ones). ItemsThere would be a new Mall store called a "Food Court".
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Discussion (Conditions)
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- Look drop the alcohol you seem to have an alcohol fetish. Unless you can put a new, radical, amazing, borderline stupendous turn on the drinking idea it will be slammed so far down into itself by dupe votes that it will have to drop it's pants to say hello, cut the alcohol clean off of your suggestion if you want a chance of passing. And what do you mean by filthy giving you an increased chance of infection? a zombie bite is a 100% chance of infection on hit, 0% on miss simple as that. If you're saying that there should be a chance of getting infected by simply being in filthy clothes, well that is a dupe of a suggestion that died horribly in flames about a week ago. As to hunger and thirst, we survivors REALLY don't need another thing to screw us over in sieges or when traveling cross country. I'm sorry man but I just don't see anything in this one, not so much as a glimmer. -Devorac 05:37, 24 August 2009 (BST)
- Yeah, I did mean there was a chance of infection from just being dirty. Then again, not a good idea. --Brainguard 14:24, 25 August 2009 (BST)
Do you even think before you post this stupid crap here, or do you just write down "screw over survivors for no reason" and start hitting keys randomly until it's big enough to be an idea? Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 02:15, 24 August 2009 (BST)
- Isn't DS for, I don't know, developing your suggestions?--Brainguard 14:24, 25 August 2009 (BST)
I like to screw over survivors personally lol... anyways I see where brain is going with his ideas and I love realism as much as the next guy, but brain... there are few people who will actually agree with realism as in most eyes realism=less fun and nonrealism=more stuff to shoot at. --Gat 05:26, 24 August 2009 (BST)
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--DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 05:30, 24 August 2009 (BST)
The only one even remotely...anything is "filth". Survivors are already assumed to eat, drink and use the toilet. It is part of the game that isn't necessary. I've gotta agree with the sentiment that the author has a decided fixation on alcohol. While there could, potentially, be SOMETHING alcohol could do other than heal, the author might do well to look at past suggestions involving it to find out why they don't work. And filth increasing the chance of infection? How? The most important thing is that those are SEPERATE SUGGESTIONS (hunger and thirst could go together at best). Don't multi-suggest. Do you know why?--Pesatyel 05:45, 24 August 2009 (BST)
- I must say, I like the realism you're going for, and I really do appreciate that you're trying to add to the genre. It would be cool to play a game where survivors have to manage their resources and think about stocking up on food for a seige. Unfortunately, this just isn't urban dead. There's not enough AP in a 24 hour cycle for survivors to deal with the additional costs of eating and bathing and drinking. These would be interesting mechanics in a different game.--GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 07:14, 24 August 2009 (BST)
Dupe of Zombie Lord's "Hardcore" city. Oh, except his is thought out better.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 12:13, 24 August 2009 (BST)
- Luckily for us, 'hardcore' city never made it into the suggestion system, so this could still beat it. In fact, fuck it, let's submit ZL's hardcore city so he can never ever suggest it! --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 12:35, 24 August 2009 (BST)
Jeez, you're all so harsh. It really isn't a bad idea. In fact, I like it. The problem is, though, this would change Urban Dead completely as a game. You'd probably have an easier time making your own zombie apocalypse game than trying to radically change on already in place. RinKou 17:04, 24 August 2009 (BST)
- No. It ISN'T a bad idea...for some other game. Part of the problem is that suggestions like this tend to be poorly thought out. Read it again to see what I mean. He says "random intervels" without saying what they are. He says "increased melee attack" without defining it (greater damage? increased hit chance? what?). For me THAT is more of a problem with the suggestion than the suggestion "not working" in the game.--Pesatyel 04:54, 25 August 2009 (BST)
- Ok, so her's what I meant by "random intervals". Every time you cure your condition (or when you start the game), the server resets the countdown and chooses a random number of turns until you get the condition again. INcreased melee attack means more damage done. I consider "attack" different from "accuracy," maybe that's from my experience with other games.--Brainguard 14:24, 25 August 2009 (BST)
Gat's crap
| Timestamp: Crazy Hobo Man 06:52, 21 August 2009 (BST) |
| Type: Crap |
| Scope: Everyone you MOFO |
| Description: ehh... I hope this schnizz works :D
Random crapbefore I begin, let me take to saying I have no fucking clue how to code shit so you don't ask ahead of time ^_^ I will say though that I have worked with TES construction set, nwn toolset, and a few other quest-creators/world-editors... Also take notice that all these ideas have been pre-created and the majority were duped or attacked by zergers on the wiki. --Crazy Hobo Man 06:52, 21 August 2009 (BST)
Clarification: when you Ascend, you will keep any clothes on you, and the majority of items that weigh 5% or less, you will just be reset to level one and randomly teleported to another building of similar status (if in NT building, will be taken to another safe one, if in mall, same thing, etc...
Zombie specific skills/weapons/etc.Zombie sniper bite! basically this skill will be extremely useful to zombies and possibly help fill the gaps between zeds and survivors without causing any major differences...
body-rot with this ability, zombies can hide O_O zombies with this skill will be able to go into a new "mode" called body-rot IF they have 25 AP at least or are below 50% health... activating body rot has useful, and negative effects on the zombie... basically zombies will have a new button called "body rot (on/off)" that they can activate to make their bodies... well rot... rotted bodies will soon fall to the ground from rapid degeneration (next reset) and will appear as corpses that "smell horrible" (not strange). in this state, any other zombies in the area can tell that they are alive and will be able to do anything basically to them (including a new attack) but at the same time humans won't be able to touch them... this has good and bad effects... good effects: can't be hurt by humans can be dragged inside by a fellow zombie can stay alive if dieing can be used kinda like a hide in plain sight like in dnd bad effects: CAN be hurt by other zombies will regenrate turns at half the rate will lose 5 HP due to body rotting will have to spend the natural 1-10 AP to stand up
because kicking a corpse counts as two attacks, it will cost two AP to kick a corpse at someone
kicking a corpse does: 5 damage to a survivor, 3 damage to the corpse on next revive a corpse can also just be kicked with a button to do 3 damage to it only... if done inside a building that someone can commit suicide in, they will be kicked off of the building dealing an extra 5 damage on getting up from the fall. (still 2 AP) remember 1 thing! this skill may be extremely accurate and do massive damage, but you can only kick a corpse one time until they die again! this means that you should make the most of it as a chance to try and do extra damage if there is one corpse while doing this... at the same time people could enter a mall infested with zombies and play a game of corpse ball :D --Crazy Hobo Man 06:52, 21 August 2009 (BST)
basically with this skill, a zombie can automatically tear down one barricade level at the cost of 10AP if the barricade is lightly caded or below... unfortunatly this also means that they had to have an adreniline rush and won't be able to open doors until the next reset!
you are a zombie... you walk the lands searching for scraps and have mastered almost everything... recently you found that your targets are weak and pitiful... and have mastered the ways of the scum humans you consider food... you now have an extreme immunity to necrotech syringes... even inside a powered necrotech facility they only have a 50% chance of reviving you... with this skill you will be able to buy additional skills for your prestige zombie!
extreme undead skillsadvanced memories of life: You can now identify what they are by an initial next to their name when you see someone... NT(necrotech) D (defense such as military, firefighter, or police) M(medic) Z(zombie) B(anyone who is brainrotted will also get this initial next to their name) S(scout) C(civilian) H(hunter) ED(any other extreme undead)
you can now release a stench into the air that anyone can smell and track to you... this skill is manually activated unless dead... first 24 hours corpse: anyone inside or outside the square you are at can smell your horrible stench and can try jabbing you with syringes and FAKs to get the smell to go away... third 24 hours: anyone in map range will smell your presence, any survivors with 1-2 HP who logs in will find themselves dead... fourth 24 hours dead/corpse: anyone within groaning range will smell your presence, the smell is now too much for the survivors and anyone with 6 HP or less will find themselves dead... fith 24 hours: the smell disapears! doesn't matter if you are active, your body has now used up all resources and you must stand or sit as if you are any other corpse... you have lost your ability to produce gasses for 3 resets after you get up... advanced "regnerative" mode: you can double your ability to withstand damage but will also have your attack% chance of hitting cut to 1/4 its normal value... this can only be activated with 25 AP or higher
you can rip off the barricades of VSB or lower for 80AP, in other words you will be at -30 AP and have taken 30 damage... only to be used as a last resort...
hunter skillsI find that humans are OPed as it is and require no more skills... I do however think it is shitty to have a "zombie hunter" prestige class with only one fucking skill... my skills I suggest for zombie hunters will have to be taken in order, you heard me you don't have a choice in the matter :P
A hunter can set a trap in front of the door for 20 AP, this trap will allow a hunter to gaurd an area but will deactivate as soon as they leave the area... this trap will place any melee weapon in front of the door so WHATEVER enters through the door (human or zombie)will get auto-hit by it once and will be unable to miss it unless they have the sense trap skill, then the trap will be deactivated and the weapon lost... yeah not that useful but will probably scare the crap out of someone when they enter a building to find out "so and so attacked you with a (weapon) for (#) damage" NOTE: if one hunter has set a trap and a second one tries to in the same area, both traps will be deactivated
A hunter with this skill will be able to see if a trap is set at the front entrance when outside of a building, if they try and enter it the weapon will be reduced to only a 50% chance of hitting...
this skill will allow a hunter to boost the morale of nearby survivors to give a bonus to their search rates in that building until 5 hours have passed. the list of + to search rates is as follows... +4% if there are only 5 or less people in the room +3% if there are only 10 people or less in the room +2% if there are only 24 or less people in the room +1% if there are 25+ people in the room to a max of 100 people
a hunter can aim at the claws or head of a zombie with a weapon but their chance of hitting is slashed in half, when aiming at the head they will recuce 1 damage from bites and while aiming at the claws they will reduce 1 damage from claw attacks until the zombie dies/gets FAKed... these effects will last until the hunter leaves the area so trenchies can't abuse it, if anyone else tries to shoot the same zombie with a called shot, they will get a message saying the zombie is crippled enough already and instead do a normal attack
a hunter can make out some words a zombie says, meaning they get a partial version of common tounge skill, this can be useful in finding out information this skill also lets a hunter get an additional 1 EXP point when reading books or reviving a zombie!
the radio-bomb will remain on the hunter until they die and will take up 20% encumberance in the player's inventory... a small price to pay for its usefullness... basically if the said hunter was to be killed by someone, they would be shot out of the building by a small explosive connected to the zombie hunter's pulse... this will do 10 damage instantly and force the person who killed them outside of the building... if they are inside a building that you can commit suicide in, they will fall out the window from the blast.. if the said person was grappling them when they died, the explosive would do a whopping 30 damage as they were holding onto him/her and will still shoot them out of the building (yes I know its OPed but zed hunters should be badass... not an excuse for a free griefing skill...)
reminder: this skill will auto-deactivate if someone else tries to put a trap in, if the hunter leaves the area his/her trap will be disabled and have to be rebuilt...
headhunter skillsa new prestige class to futher the chaos...
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by the way I realise a few of these may deserve to be in do's and don't's... that's why they are here for inspection :D--Crazy Hobo Man 07:14, 21 August 2009 (BST)
Headhunter is probably on every PKer's wish list. and zombie headshot is a dupe.
eh I don't mind if you don't sign your comment... anyways if your reffering to zombie sniper shot, it really isn't a headshot and I had no intention of making it that, I only used the name "sniper shot" because usually they are aimed at the persons head if they are using sniper rifles and in this case the ears. I really think PKers deserve some motivation to PK... otherwise whats the point in the first place? think about it... --Crazy Hobo Man 00:19, 22 August 2009 (BST)
Random Crap: Firstly, ditch the tailoring. UD players shouldn't be wasting their AP on clothing, they should be using all of it to fight in the apocalypse. The incinerator thing is goddamn stupid because we should be incinerated if we fall in there, also, no insta kills. Rain and Drunk are both dupes. Rage and Survival hour is interesting, but 'shit yourself' is fucking nonsense, on-death message is a dupe I'm pretty sure, shrooms is, again, stupid, drugs in UD are dupes already and are quite obviously not wanted by the community. Ascension is interesting, it'd give those mega old zombies an excuse to tear up malton.
My final proposition? Sift through this shitheap and among the dupes, spam and utter crap, you might actually find workable suggestions in there that a majority of DS might actually want to participate in. But there's way too much here to discuss. Take it a couple at a time. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 00:19, 24 August 2009 (BST)
You're supposed to post each of these suggestions as their own section. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 00:21, 24 August 2009 (BST)
- If he cared, he wouldn't have pulled this crap. I don't think he even plays the game.--Pesatyel 06:00, 24 August 2009 (BST)
- http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1341036 Add me to your enemy list Pesatyel :P
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Funny, in a sick OMFG kind of way, like watching idiots. -Devorac 07:12, 24 August 2009 (BST)
- Watching idiots is funny until you realize that you can't stop because of how many of them there are; then it just gets sad and boring Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 22:42, 24 August 2009 (BST)
Leg Crunch
| Timestamp: Brainiac 08:34, 23 August 2009 (BST) |
| Type: Zombie Hunter Addition |
| Scope: Survivors |
| Description: if your going to hunt a zombie you obviously want to do some major damage in any possible way,even if death doesn't occur a temporary disadvantage to the zombie would be major help. im thinking that if zombies can infect us and slow us down to get us to use a first aid kit we should be able to slow them down to.this skill would add a 20% chance of hitting the zombies leg and cause him to use twice the AP to move and cause half double damage but only with melee weapons.zombies with lurching gait would use 2 AP while others without it would use 4 AP and only way to rid of it would be to spend 6 AP to "fix displaced leg" but maybe lose 2 hp from blood lose.
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Nooouuuu!! Leave my AP alone!--Maps 08:47, 23 August 2009 (BST)
You only need ask yourself if this would be fun to know its a bad idea. 4AP for movement is not fun!--Honestmistake 10:12, 23 August 2009 (BST)
This suggestion is offensive. 4ap just to move. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 10:15, 23 August 2009 (BST)
You must have the most comically ill-chosen name on this wiki. --Papa Moloch 13:37, 23 August 2009 (BST)
- Ah, if only you knew how truely good I am at Dance Dance Revolution ;) --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 13:46, 23 August 2009 (BST)
- Aww crap. Does this mean that I have to change my username to Football Manager 2009? It's really not catchy. :o( --Papa Moloch 23:18, 25 August 2009 (BST)
It's an interesting concept, but obviously needs to be better implemented. I say get rid of the additional hit percentage (20% is way too high anyway). I also say scrap AP from this suggestion altogether - use HP. You say you want to make this like a surivor version of infectious bite, yet infectious bite doesn't modify AP at all. Name doesn't work either. So here's how I picture this skill working:
Crippling Blow (Player can cripple a dying zombie (those with 12 HP or less) causing them to lose 1 HP per move for 2-5 moves.)
Have a new action button, "Crippling Blow" with two boxes next to it - one for which weapon to use and the other for which zombie. Good luck, hope this makes it to current suggestions and then soon. BlueSpurt 14:02, 23 August 2009 (BST)
No. Zombies already get the short end of the stick on AP-usage. Survivors don't need this overpowered buff, they just need to up the level of their game play. As usual. --WanYao 17:20, 23 August 2009 (BST) And infections are almost meaningless, almost not worth the AP needed to inflict them... and FAKs are cheap and easy to come by... This is the creme-de-la-creme of bad, super-trenchy ideas. --WanYao 17:24, 23 August 2009 (BST)
Your suggestion is broken, useless, and suggestive of someone who is too stupid or lazy to even think about their own ideas before asking others to fix them, and BlueSpurt's idea is just worthless. This suggestion isn't going to work. Take my word for it; it's broken beyond hope of repair. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 17:23, 23 August 2009 (BST) Edit Conflicts! Curse you Yao!
- Why? It's a perfect suggestion! Think of these newbies who join the game everyday! Those who choose playing as zombies! They will have to waste amazing amounts of AP just for walking! With this, We'll show them the right way! The SURVIVOR WAY! That would balance the game, making it fair for us, poor survivors! UR AWESUM U DUDE :D! (No, seriously now. There's no fun in playing a game about zombies if no one wants to be a zombie)--Orange Talk 19:26, 23 August 2009 (BST)
This is effectively a quick way to knock down a zombie. While it wouldn't be effective at all in a siege environment, it would be useful in griefing lone, traveling zeds. This suggestion is useless to survivors and painfully annoying to zombies, akin to a bully pushing over a child in a playground. Also, you misspelled "loss." --Uberursa 18:38, 23 August 2009 (BST)
whoa... another noob who thinks that we should make the game urban alive! I'm sorry but this idea is crap, ok, its just crap because zombies are already weaker then survivors in every way, even in areas they should be STRONGER then them in... The only things zombies get are the ability to get up at full health, and not get turned into the enemy if they die... next thing you know we'll start seeing the necro-knife, a weapon that can revive zombies while hurting them for double the EXP -_- I'm pissed at all these survivor ideas now, seriously are you guys not already OPed as it is??? do you NEED to exterminate all forms of zombies? almost every zombie in the stats page is a rotter >_> (rage post out of anger at survivor ideas... --Gat 21:52, 23 August 2009 (BST)
nice to know you guys were so interested and this was my first post!.......i guess name was stupid enough to attract enough people,you all say that zombies should be stronger then i will change to to benefit the zombies. --Brainiac 20:27, 24 August 2009 (BST)
- Who said "zombies should be stronger"? Have you even PLAYED one? I have the perfect way for you to test your suggestion. Create a new zombie. Then every time you step into a new square, immediately waste 2 AP. Suggestions like this you have to be reminded that zombies are players too.--Pesatyel 05:08, 25 August 2009 (BST)
i do have a zombie account and yes 2 ap is a pain but isn't that why this is for the zombie hunters? its not just for everyone and my ALT zombie account has lurching gait so its only 1 AP to walk. --Brainiac 22:54, 25 August 2009 (BST)
- Being "limited" to Zombie Hunters is irrelevant. It isn't them that need to deal with it. You just said "2 ap is a pain"...so imagine FOUR AP per move. That's more fun?--Pesatyel 07:21, 26 August 2009 (BST)
Vault
| Timestamp: Brainguard 20:46, 22 August 2009 (BST) |
| Type: Building change, new skill |
| Scope: Banks and NecroTech Buildings |
| Description: I had earlier suggested a storage closet idea, but realized it had too much zerging potential. So here is my revised idea, vaults:
All banks and NecroTech buildings (and Malls and Fort Armories) would have a storage vault. To use the vault, the bank would need to be powered, and you would need to buy any of these three skills:
When in the building, humans would have two options, "Take [item] from vault.", and "Put [item] in closet." Any items in the closet could be used by anyone, but there is a 20 item limit to closet items. Flavor text:
Zombies can also attack the vault doors. Humans with a toolbox can repair them. Vault doors have the same damage system as radio transmitters or generators: 'dented', 'battered', 'damaged', 'badly damaged', and destroyed. When the doors are destroyed, successful attacks will destroy one random item in the vault. Flavor text for destroying & repairing:
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I don't see how this fixes the zerging problems in the earlier suggestion. Also, if you obtained one vault skill, what would the other skills do? Ideally, there should only be one skill.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 20:50, 22 August 2009 (BST)
- Well, he attempted to by putting doors on his Storage Closet and requiring a generator. But I don't think that is enough of an offset to counter all the zerge issues.--Pesatyel 21:01, 22 August 2009 (BST)
- Zergers couldn't just make expendable accounts - you would eed to be lvl2 or higher.--Brainguard 23:11, 22 August 2009 (BST)
- And getting to level 2 is difficult now?--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 23:12, 22 August 2009 (BST)
- No, but
- You won't see a million lvl 1 zergs descent upon a vault and deposit everything they own.
- Anyone can take the items out, so it isn't exactly "trading".
- Must be in a powered, unruined bank. So it may take some effort to find one.
- No, but
- And getting to level 2 is difficult now?--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 23:12, 22 August 2009 (BST)
- Zergers couldn't just make expendable accounts - you would eed to be lvl2 or higher.--Brainguard 23:11, 22 August 2009 (BST)
Basically, it's to hard to create insta-zerg armies without some effort. --Brainguard 00:13, 24 August 2009 (BST)
- 3. It doesn't take much effort to walk to one suburb which is green, and thus abuse the bank there.
- 2. Yes it is trading, it's just you don't know who you're trading with, unless you alt abuse.
- 1. Why not? I also fixed your formatting. --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 12:18, 24 August 2009 (BST)
There was a suggestion some time ago that involved players using a bank's safety deposit boxes to store items for themselves. Unless your adamant about sharing items (in which case, go ahead and stop now) you might want to try that line.-- Pesatyel 21:01, 22 August 2009 (BST)
- Yeah, I'm for item sharing.--Brainguard 23:11, 22 August 2009 (BST)
- Go ahead and stop now. --Bob Boberton TF / DW 23:22, 22 August 2009 (BST)
- It wouldn't be trading, just communal sharing. --Brainguard 00:13, 24 August 2009 (BST)
- Item sharing would add tremendously to game play if only we idn't have so many sad-sacks willing to create disposable accounts to search for them.--Honestmistake 02:19, 23 August 2009 (BST)
- All it would add would be dedicated survivor ammo/syringe search "sub-groups" that do nothing but re-supply their front line group-mates. The huge encumbrance that survivors can carry now more than makes up for not being able to store things in cupboards or vaults. Sharing/trading/giving just wont work in a low tech game like UD, which is why it will always be spammed, with extreme prejudice -- boxy talk • teh rulz 02:39 23 August 2009 (BST)
- That might be true if we had limited resources. But all these suggests are is "arming the new character" suggestions. The maxed character, with nothing to do, searches with maxed percentages for all the "good stuff" for their new alt.--Pesatyel 22:30, 23 August 2009 (BST)
- Item sharing would add tremendously to game play if only we idn't have so many sad-sacks willing to create disposable accounts to search for them.--Honestmistake 02:19, 23 August 2009 (BST)
- Go ahead and stop now. --Bob Boberton TF / DW
Here's a link to a suggestion that allows for caching without the zerg problems, and it was almost duped by one similar to this -- boxy talk • teh rulz 10:39 23 August 2009 (BST)
- The point is that it would be a communal caching. That way, groups can have a shared cache if the TRps fall. --Brainguard 00:40, 24 August 2009 (BST)
- Actually, I looked at the suggestion and think Suggestion:20080414 Personal Lockboxes is better.
- Yes, and that is why this suggestion will die because it is impossible to control the cache.--Pesatyel 06:37, 24 August 2009 (BST)
Isn't this in freq-sugg? If not it should be. Survivors already get huge advantages from stored AP... they don't need this. --WanYao 17:21, 23 August 2009 (BST)
- Here's one of the problems with item-sharing, even if you pretend that it wouldn't be abused by zergers - it would present unfair AP storage as wan yao just mentioned. I'll explain. It takes time and AP to search for and collect ammunition/FAKs/needles. So a pistol clip represents stored AP, with the potential to do a lot of damage in a short amount of game time. Having a treasure trove of needles and shotgun shells laying around in banks only adds to this stored AP and creates an imbalance between survivors and zombies. Does that make sense?--GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 07:25, 24 August 2009 (BST)
Augmented Fear
| Timestamp: GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 00:35, 22 August 2009 (BST) |
| Type: game change, new skill, skill change |
| Scope: zombie vs survivor confrontations |
| Description: Okay this suggestion is big and crazy but as a community we can work out the details.
I propose that the element of fear in the game be expanded upon in the following ways:
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Discussion (Augmented Fear)
Okay I realize this suggestion is hardcore and it involves a number of changes, but I think it would add greatly to the gameplay and to the fun of pitting survivors vs. zombies. My general idea is that greatly wounded survivors should feel an additional sense of impending peril. They should feel hunted.
Also, I like the risk/reward of being a constant target with low HP and dealing more damage. Finally, the zombie scent skills are extremely disappointing. Zombies should be granted a better hunting tool for maxing out the scent tree.--GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 00:46, 22 August 2009 (BST)
The skill should probably be a zombie hunter skill because a)Science doesn't make sense and we have too many military skills and b)It makes sense that this would be gained over time. Also, when you say "better" do you mean in AP spent per damage or flat out damage?--Uberursa 02:05, 22 August 2009 (BST)
- That's a good question and I hadn't considered if it should be damage or AP efficiency. I want this to be a community developed suggestion so I'll leave it to you and the community to decide what would be the most balanced option. Also, you're right that it should be a zombie hunter skill, that makes more sense. Maybe it could be called Death Blow--GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 02:30, 22 August 2009 (BST)
The effect of this is so vast that it really should probably be tried in a new city first, not in Malton, but I like the idea. It just needs a test drive somewhere before we could really know what effect it would have. Monroeville would be good for that if Kevan were to decide to reopen it.--Necrofeelinya 04:45, 22 August 2009 (BST)
As far as the weapons go, I'd imagine any of the "clubbing" weapons would apply. It doesn't take a lot of percision to swing a tennis racket or bat when your trying to crush something.--Pesatyel 06:38, 22 August 2009 (BST)
No. No. No. No. No. No. Just No. The Skill change is an acceptable alteration, it would even be good, but the rest is just horrible. Too much of a zombie buff.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 11:32, 22 August 2009 (BST)
I tried something like this once before. It didn't work. --Blake Firedancer T E RNL? P.I.S.I.T. 11:49, 22 August 2009 (BST)
- As blake, there are several elements in this suggestion that have been tried before. User's don't like their accuracy etc being messed with beyond their control. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 15:31, 22 August 2009 (BST)
- Fair enough, Yonnua. I like that you see some promise in the skill change and I respect your criticism. Let's try this: what specifically is wrong with the rest of the suggestion and what would you do to fix it?--GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 19:17, 22 August 2009 (BST)
- In real-time battles (although they aren't common, this is probably all they'd effect), survivors are already screwed by infection. We don't need to make the situation worse by lowering their accuracy. At the same time, we don't need survivors to be able to lower each other to 13hp, and run around dealing 12 damage a shell. --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 19:47, 22 August 2009 (BST)
- I'm not sure you read the suggestion. YOu said above that "the skill change is an acceptable alteration". As I read the suggestion, the "skill change" is changing Scent Death to allow zombies to see those that are "dying". That is already waht Scent Fear does so that entire part is a little bit of a nerf. That is the only acceptable part? And "12 damage per shell"? The suggestion ONLY applies to melee weapons (most specifically axe, toolbox, pipe and bat unless he decided to include the others).--Pesatyel 20:39, 22 August 2009 (BST)
- I missed the part about it only being melee. Still, a 5 damage axe? That would completely nerf the pistol.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 20:48, 22 August 2009 (BST)
- Well he did say the damage was negotiable. Also, the 5 damage axe has lots of penalties to its use and I'd imagine that would offset the extra damage. A pistol does 5 damage, sure, but at 65% to hit (this would be, currently 30% to hit) and you can use a gun whenever as opposed to this where you have to be near death.--Pesatyel 21:09, 22 August 2009 (BST)
- It actually only affects guns. A flak jacket wouldn't affect an axe, that would be stupid. No weapon should be able to deal 5 damage, or even 4 damage, without having to reload. It would be far over the top.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 23:08, 22 August 2009 (BST)
- Not according to the game mechanics. The fact there are no melee weapons that, currently, do 5 or more damage does NOT change the game's mechanics. Hence why it becomes an issue in this suggestion. You DID read the suggestion right? Or are you saying all the negative associated with gaining the ability to do 5 damage with an axe are not enough? I'm not clear on why your displeased. Also, why would it 'be stupid" for a flak jacket to affect an axe?--Pesatyel 20:32, 23 August 2009 (BST)
- Come back to me when you know what a flak jacket is.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 20:50, 23 August 2009 (BST)
- Nice catc all answer and avoidance of actually answering. ;) That's fine.--Pesatyel 21:48, 23 August 2009 (BST)
- Fine, I'll say it then. An axe would cut through a flak jacket easily. Flak jackets are built to resist gun and shrapnel attacks. Therefore, it would be stupid for an axe to be weakened by one. Therefore flak jackets only effect guns, not all weapons greater than 5.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 22:02, 23 August 2009 (BST)
- My point was it is a GAME MECHANIC consideration, not a reality one. IF there is ever a melee weapon that does 5 or more, it will be effected by flak unless Kevan changes the mechanic and, given the circumstances, it is a relavant point in this discussion.--Pesatyel 22:22, 23 August 2009 (BST)
- Well, no. Where did you get this nonsense about it effecting weapons of 5 or more from? It effects GUNS. if the fire axe did 5 or more, Kevan would make it so that it did not effect it. Plain and simple. Because a fire axe isn't a gun.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 22:35, 23 August 2009 (BST)
- I got this "nonsense" from here. It only affects guns on technicality because there are no other weapons that do the same. Unless you count fire. We are talking a "gun" yes, but if you look down farther about the "fuel soaked clothes", fire ISN'T a gun, but still affected by flak. And, so you know, I'm NOT disagreeing with you. I'm only going by the mechanics AS WE KNOW THEM. If Kevan were to include a non-gun weapon that did 5+, he MAY make it so that flak isn't going to affect it. Or he may change the name to "body armor" or something, but regardless its what we know not what you think it should be until it is.--Pesatyel 01:24, 24 August 2009 (BST)
- *clap, clap* You quoted an article written by another member of the game. Very well done. I also like how you've completely ignored that the fire isn't the aspect being effected, and the flare itself is, because it penetrates a far smaller surface area, thus rendering less fire on to the flesh. *clap, clap.* --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 12:24, 24 August 2009 (BST)
- Ok. If you say so. Doesn't change the mechanics as we know them now does it.--Pesatyel 05:25, 25 August 2009 (BST)
- *clap, clap* You quoted an article written by another member of the game. Very well done. I also like how you've completely ignored that the fire isn't the aspect being effected, and the flare itself is, because it penetrates a far smaller surface area, thus rendering less fire on to the flesh. *clap, clap.* --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 12:24, 24 August 2009 (BST)
- I got this "nonsense" from here. It only affects guns on technicality because there are no other weapons that do the same. Unless you count fire. We are talking a "gun" yes, but if you look down farther about the "fuel soaked clothes", fire ISN'T a gun, but still affected by flak. And, so you know, I'm NOT disagreeing with you. I'm only going by the mechanics AS WE KNOW THEM. If Kevan were to include a non-gun weapon that did 5+, he MAY make it so that flak isn't going to affect it. Or he may change the name to "body armor" or something, but regardless its what we know not what you think it should be until it is.--Pesatyel 01:24, 24 August 2009 (BST)
- Well, no. Where did you get this nonsense about it effecting weapons of 5 or more from? It effects GUNS. if the fire axe did 5 or more, Kevan would make it so that it did not effect it. Plain and simple. Because a fire axe isn't a gun.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 22:35, 23 August 2009 (BST)
- My point was it is a GAME MECHANIC consideration, not a reality one. IF there is ever a melee weapon that does 5 or more, it will be effected by flak unless Kevan changes the mechanic and, given the circumstances, it is a relavant point in this discussion.--Pesatyel 22:22, 23 August 2009 (BST)
- Fine, I'll say it then. An axe would cut through a flak jacket easily. Flak jackets are built to resist gun and shrapnel attacks. Therefore, it would be stupid for an axe to be weakened by one. Therefore flak jackets only effect guns, not all weapons greater than 5.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 22:02, 23 August 2009 (BST)
- Nice catc all answer and avoidance of actually answering. ;) That's fine.--Pesatyel 21:48, 23 August 2009 (BST)
- Come back to me when you know what a flak jacket is.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 20:50, 23 August 2009 (BST)
- Not according to the game mechanics. The fact there are no melee weapons that, currently, do 5 or more damage does NOT change the game's mechanics. Hence why it becomes an issue in this suggestion. You DID read the suggestion right? Or are you saying all the negative associated with gaining the ability to do 5 damage with an axe are not enough? I'm not clear on why your displeased. Also, why would it 'be stupid" for a flak jacket to affect an axe?--Pesatyel 20:32, 23 August 2009 (BST)
- It actually only affects guns. A flak jacket wouldn't affect an axe, that would be stupid. No weapon should be able to deal 5 damage, or even 4 damage, without having to reload. It would be far over the top.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 23:08, 22 August 2009 (BST)
- Well he did say the damage was negotiable. Also, the 5 damage axe has lots of penalties to its use and I'd imagine that would offset the extra damage. A pistol does 5 damage, sure, but at 65% to hit (this would be, currently 30% to hit) and you can use a gun whenever as opposed to this where you have to be near death.--Pesatyel 21:09, 22 August 2009 (BST)
- I missed the part about it only being melee. Still, a 5 damage axe? That would completely nerf the pistol.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 20:48, 22 August 2009 (BST)
- I'm not sure you read the suggestion. YOu said above that "the skill change is an acceptable alteration". As I read the suggestion, the "skill change" is changing Scent Death to allow zombies to see those that are "dying". That is already waht Scent Fear does so that entire part is a little bit of a nerf. That is the only acceptable part? And "12 damage per shell"? The suggestion ONLY applies to melee weapons (most specifically axe, toolbox, pipe and bat unless he decided to include the others).--Pesatyel 20:39, 22 August 2009 (BST)
- In real-time battles (although they aren't common, this is probably all they'd effect), survivors are already screwed by infection. We don't need to make the situation worse by lowering their accuracy. At the same time, we don't need survivors to be able to lower each other to 13hp, and run around dealing 12 damage a shell. --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 19:47, 22 August 2009 (BST)
- Fair enough, Yonnua. I like that you see some promise in the skill change and I respect your criticism. Let's try this: what specifically is wrong with the rest of the suggestion and what would you do to fix it?--GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 19:17, 22 August 2009 (BST)
1) Game Change: 10% is definately too much. I'd say 5% at best. But the point is to "simulate fear" in someone who is significantly injured, tired and afraid, right? What about having a % chance of an action costing +1 AP (it is taking more energy to do it because of the way you feel).
2) Skill Change: This part doesn't really make sense. Scent Fear already does this. It allows you see those that are "wounded" (25 HP) or "dying" (13 HP). And Scent Death doesn't apply at all (with regards to this situation) but Scent Bloood might by comparison. Either way this part is more of a nerf then a bonus.
3) New skill: Gotta agree, making it a Zombie Hunter skill sounds better.
4) Focused Fear: I'd think it would apply to any of the "clubbing" weapons. and +2 damage is fine, especially if you consider that those wearing flak (or with Flesh Rot) would get the reduction. What about having such attacks cost 2 AP (or, of course, as above a chance of costing that much).--Pesatyel 20:39, 22 August 2009 (BST)
- Flaks only affect guns. The +2 damage would stand. Also, YOU are the one who's misread the suggestion. He says that on the Scent Death scan image that you get, it would show squares with injured survivors. Scent fear does not do this.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 20:48, 22 August 2009 (BST)
- Flak affects only guns by technicallity. It affects ALL DAMAGE of 5 or more. And, again, this suggestion does not apply to guns anyway. And, yes I didn't consider that Scent Death would get a buff (mostly becuase that part is dumb and makes no sense since Scent Death applies to dead bodies and would thus not really apply to people that are still ambulatory). And Scent Fear, the point of Scent Fear, is to tell a zombie which players have 25 or 13 HP which is BETTER than what this suggestion is doing.--Pesatyel 21:06, 22 August 2009 (BST)
- Beer and wine should (temporarily) stop fear, and the Focused Fear skill should be under Zombie Hunter. --Brainguard 20:51, 22 August 2009 (BST)
- What is it with you and beer suggestions? Do you own a pub or something?--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 20:55, 22 August 2009 (BST)
- Does it matter? It isn't a bad idea to consider.--Pesatyel 21:07, 22 August 2009 (BST)
- Actually, yes, it is. Alcohol has been added to the game as a 1hp heal item. It wasn't added to make being drunk look funny or cool, and definitely shouldn't make people think that being drunk makes you stronger. Alcohol has a purpose, this is not it's purpose.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 21:10, 22 August 2009 (BST)
- Who said anything about making them look funny or be stronger (in this context)? His idea was that it negated fear temporarily. Nothing more. It's current purpose is as a 1 HP heal, true, but that was before this idea. Alcohol is commonly called "courage in a bottle" for a reason.--Pesatyel 21:26, 22 August 2009 (BST)
- Because it makes people drunk? It doesn't actually make people mroe courageous. Hell, it makes people less courageous. And I was quite purposefully referrign to hsi suggestion, as you would have noticed if you'd paid attention to the scope of my comment.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 23:08, 22 August 2009 (BST)
- I'm not advocating drinking. I'm not old enough to drink. But alchohol should have more effects and more of a purpose than a 1HP heal. --Brainguard 23:14, 22 August 2009 (BST)
- And I suppose FAKs should have more use than they currently do too? And Newspapers? And books? Ooh, let's not forget poetry, that needs to cure infections. And let's not forget crucifixes, they need their almighty lasers of death. No. it has a use, and that's healing 1hp.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 23:45, 22 August 2009 (BST)
- Actually the reason its called "courage in a bottle" is because alcohol lowers inhibitions (not always a good idea), it also tends to lead to increased aggression and "fearless" behaviour when taken to excess.. it was this reason that led to the insanely large rum rations given to british troops before battle in the 18th & 19th centuries. --Honestmistake 02:24, 23 August 2009 (BST)
- Excessive amoutns of alcohol are also why Harold Godwinson lost at the battle of Hastings.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 12:25, 23 August 2009 (BST)
- I suppose getting shot through the eye by an arrow didn't help things either. That william was such a bastard. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 13:16, 23 August 2009 (BST)
- Actually, Harold, who had just finished battling Harald Hadrada in the North, had a diminished force, and so reruited an army of mainly peasants, all of whom got drunk the night before the battle. By the time they got to Hastings, it didn't matter that Harold and his brother were ploughed down by archers.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 13:39, 23 August 2009 (BST)
- Where exactly did you get that from? Its true that Harald had just annihilated a viking army in the north but your drunken peasants story is new to me? --Honestmistake 23:26, 23 August 2009 (BST)
- Well, it's correct. After he returned South to face William, his forces were diminished, he had to recruit untrained, inexperienced peasants, who knew they'd probably die, so they went out and got drunk the night before to celebrate or something. I dunno. --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 00:14, 25 August 2009 (BST)
- Where exactly did you get that from? Its true that Harald had just annihilated a viking army in the north but your drunken peasants story is new to me? --Honestmistake 23:26, 23 August 2009 (BST)
- Actually, Harold, who had just finished battling Harald Hadrada in the North, had a diminished force, and so reruited an army of mainly peasants, all of whom got drunk the night before the battle. By the time they got to Hastings, it didn't matter that Harold and his brother were ploughed down by archers.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 13:39, 23 August 2009 (BST)
- I suppose getting shot through the eye by an arrow didn't help things either. That william was such a bastard. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 13:16, 23 August 2009 (BST)
- Excessive amoutns of alcohol are also why Harold Godwinson lost at the battle of Hastings.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 12:25, 23 August 2009 (BST)
- Actually the reason its called "courage in a bottle" is because alcohol lowers inhibitions (not always a good idea), it also tends to lead to increased aggression and "fearless" behaviour when taken to excess.. it was this reason that led to the insanely large rum rations given to british troops before battle in the 18th & 19th centuries. --Honestmistake 02:24, 23 August 2009 (BST)
- And I suppose FAKs should have more use than they currently do too? And Newspapers? And books? Ooh, let's not forget poetry, that needs to cure infections. And let's not forget crucifixes, they need their almighty lasers of death. No. it has a use, and that's healing 1hp.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 23:45, 22 August 2009 (BST)
- So you were referring to brainguard's suggestion or gile's? Honestmistake actually summed up my point. I'm NOT saying drinking is a good idea. I'm saying that brainguard suggested it temporarily counter the effects of fear. How temporarily? No idea. Ask him. I just don't get all the piss and moan about it. In fact for all the negativity people have been spewing about it, how does alcohol even heal?--Pesatyel 20:41, 23 August 2009 (BST)
- The flavour for alcohol healing should be that you pour it on wounds, but I'm sure people would complain about that. And I was referring to Brainguard's suggestion. And if you were drunk, and saw a zombie, you would suddenly stop being scared. Logic doesn't work that way.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 20:50, 23 August 2009 (BST)
- Fine.--Pesatyel 21:55, 23 August 2009 (BST)
- The flavour for alcohol healing should be that you pour it on wounds, but I'm sure people would complain about that. And I was referring to Brainguard's suggestion. And if you were drunk, and saw a zombie, you would suddenly stop being scared. Logic doesn't work that way.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 20:50, 23 August 2009 (BST)
- I'm not advocating drinking. I'm not old enough to drink. But alchohol should have more effects and more of a purpose than a 1HP heal. --Brainguard 23:14, 22 August 2009 (BST)
- Because it makes people drunk? It doesn't actually make people mroe courageous. Hell, it makes people less courageous. And I was quite purposefully referrign to hsi suggestion, as you would have noticed if you'd paid attention to the scope of my comment.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 23:08, 22 August 2009 (BST)
- Who said anything about making them look funny or be stronger (in this context)? His idea was that it negated fear temporarily. Nothing more. It's current purpose is as a 1 HP heal, true, but that was before this idea. Alcohol is commonly called "courage in a bottle" for a reason.--Pesatyel 21:26, 22 August 2009 (BST)
- Actually, yes, it is. Alcohol has been added to the game as a 1hp heal item. It wasn't added to make being drunk look funny or cool, and definitely shouldn't make people think that being drunk makes you stronger. Alcohol has a purpose, this is not it's purpose.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 21:10, 22 August 2009 (BST)
- Does it matter? It isn't a bad idea to consider.--Pesatyel 21:07, 22 August 2009 (BST)
- What is it with you and beer suggestions? Do you own a pub or something?--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 20:55, 22 August 2009 (BST)
eh... I'm gonna stay neutral on this... --Gat 01:37, 23 August 2009 (BST)
Alright, I did the math and as is, the suggestion would raise the damage per AP of an Axe from 1.4 to 1.6 (damage per single AP) whereas the damage per AP for a pistol, (reload and fire) is 2.23 AP. --Uberursa 02:13, 23 August 2009 (BST)
- I assume you counted searching for ammo?--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 12:25, 23 August 2009 (BST)
- No, but it would be somewhere around 1.15 damage per AP. I didn't want to anger the RNG--Uberursa 18:45, 23 August 2009 (BST)
- Read Giles' comment below.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 21:40, 23 August 2009 (BST)
- No, but it would be somewhere around 1.15 damage per AP. I didn't want to anger the RNG--Uberursa 18:45, 23 August 2009 (BST)
- And your point is what?--Pesatyel 20:34, 23 August 2009 (BST)
- There's a nice article on Median_Battle_Rating which lists the axe at an MBR of 1.2. With this suggestion, a survivor who was using the new skill would weild the fire axe for an MBR of 1.5, which would make it more powerful than a pistol or shotgun against a flak jacket, but less powerful than zombie claws and bites. SO, now that everyone has actually read the suggestion and sorted out what it means, what's wrong with it and how can I make it better?--GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 21:11, 23 August 2009 (BST)
- For starters, the axe shouldn't be better than the guns.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 21:40, 23 August 2009 (BST)
- We just got into a stupid side argument about alcohol. So people aren't actually commenting on whether or not the fear penalties are enough to compensate for the bonuses granted. Or maybe they just don't think they do? Hard to say. That was the point I was trying to make with my "and your point is?" post. The suggestion ISN'T just allowing a player to do 5 with an axe. so maybe you need tougher penalties?--Pesatyel 21:53, 23 August 2009 (BST)
- Or maybe, he needs to make it weaker. You shouldn't give someone something overpowered, and balance it by screwing them in another area. Just make it weaker.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 22:02, 23 August 2009 (BST)
- Perhaps. But then all he could do would be +1 instead of +2. Is that significant enough? This whole idea is more of a "realism" suggestion then anything else and players should probably feel they are getting some "good enough" benefit to warrant including this in the game. If all it is penalties, only the handful of players that want more realism would like it. Nobody else would.--Pesatyel 22:22, 23 August 2009 (BST)
- Exactly. I don't think that this suggestion is good. (Other than the scent death part).--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 22:35, 23 August 2009 (BST)
- How is the Scent Death part good? Scent Death allows you to detect which corpses are reviving so, techmically, it is "Scent Revive Serum in Corpse". Not to mention you need Scent Fear (which already tells you which players are at or below 13 HP) so giving, basically, the same ablity to Scent Death would be both moot and meaningless.--Pesatyel 01:29, 24 August 2009 (BST)
- He suggested adding an asterix to the scent death map, indicating where such survivors were. This would be useful to zombies in a besieged suburb, as it would allow them to find weakened buildings without having to resort to metagaming.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 12:24, 24 August 2009 (BST)
- How is the Scent Death part good? Scent Death allows you to detect which corpses are reviving so, techmically, it is "Scent Revive Serum in Corpse". Not to mention you need Scent Fear (which already tells you which players are at or below 13 HP) so giving, basically, the same ablity to Scent Death would be both moot and meaningless.--Pesatyel 01:29, 24 August 2009 (BST)
- Exactly. I don't think that this suggestion is good. (Other than the scent death part).--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 22:35, 23 August 2009 (BST)
- Perhaps. But then all he could do would be +1 instead of +2. Is that significant enough? This whole idea is more of a "realism" suggestion then anything else and players should probably feel they are getting some "good enough" benefit to warrant including this in the game. If all it is penalties, only the handful of players that want more realism would like it. Nobody else would.--Pesatyel 22:22, 23 August 2009 (BST)
- Or maybe, he needs to make it weaker. You shouldn't give someone something overpowered, and balance it by screwing them in another area. Just make it weaker.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 22:02, 23 August 2009 (BST)
- There's a nice article on Median_Battle_Rating which lists the axe at an MBR of 1.2. With this suggestion, a survivor who was using the new skill would weild the fire axe for an MBR of 1.5, which would make it more powerful than a pistol or shotgun against a flak jacket, but less powerful than zombie claws and bites. SO, now that everyone has actually read the suggestion and sorted out what it means, what's wrong with it and how can I make it better?--GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 21:11, 23 August 2009 (BST)
@ Pestayel - I'm not sure you understand how the suggestion would change scent fear and scent death. Do you know that scent death currently gives you a mini map of reviving and dead bodies? And you know scent fear just lists (wounded) or (dying) next to the names of survivors, right? What I'm proposing is a skill enhancement whereby zombies would know precisely where dying survivors are in their immediate area, via a mini map. Does that change your opinion on the skill enhancement?
- Yes it does. Thanks for clarifying. But even so, Scent Death is moot. This could either be just an add on to Scent Fear or a new skill (but probably better the add on).--Pesatyel 06:30, 24 August 2009 (BST)
@ Yonnua, how about if a maxed fireaxe had an MBR of 1.3 with this suggestion? That puts it between a fire axe with a 1.2MBR (assuming maxed skills) and a pistol with a 1.37MBR (assuming maxed skills vs flack jacket). Also, what if it was 1.4? Would it still be imbalanced if the survivors using the skill had to take the trade-off of acting like a homing beacon for zombies in the area?--GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 05:58, 24 August 2009 (BST)
- 1.3 would easily be acceptable. You'd have to convince me more on the 1.4. It wouldn't be that drastically difficult to have a group with 3 strike teams, one who knocks their members down to 13hp, that group then runs out and destroys all zombies in sight, returning to be healed by the third. But still, it's a lot of effort, so a 1.4 might well be acceptable.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 12:24, 24 August 2009 (BST)
- Thank you both for your excellent input and for helping me to develop this. So, I agree that it's cheesy to put the skill change into scent death. Let's make it a change to scent fear as pestayel suggested. And I've been thinking about the survivor strike team idea and that is definitely a problem. While such a tactic would be rewarding groups for coordinated play, (and that's good), I'm not sure I like the idea of people putting each other into the death state so they can be more effective fighters.
- My original vision is for the new fear dynamic to be a highly situational bonus for both sides, and the situation is when a zombie is tearing a survivor to shreds but can't quite finish the job. This should be a special situation where the survivor really feels the impending death and can swing away with some desperation attacks before succumbing to infection. I'm going to think more about how to implement this properly, and please feel free to comment with any ideas in the meantime.--GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 20:06, 24 August 2009 (BST)
- Well, if you coudl pull it off so that it worked without abuse, that would be awesome. There should be benefits to be actually weakened to low health, but there's no real way I can see that people can't just do it to themselves. You could always say that you get a bonus / penalty / both if you've been attacked within 10 minutes, because that would be more reminiscent of fear, i feel. But still, not overly exciting or useful. So, I dunno. :S--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 00:14, 25 August 2009 (BST)
- Okay, I've checked the math and it's possible to put the fireaxe at 1.4MBR and 1.32MBR. 1.4 is easy, it involves a 5% hit penalty and +1 damage. 1.32 is kinda cheesy since it involves a 7% hit penalty and +1 damage. Everything with accuracy in UD seems to work in increments of 5%. Anyways I've thought about it and developed a way to counter survivors spamming the new skill to devastate zombies. How about this: Survivors enter the "panic state" when a zombie attack brings their health below 14HP. The "panic state" ends when they either receive a FAK or when they die.
- So in essence, the game mechanic would work something like infection in that it can only be caused by a zombie, and anyone offering aid can calm the survivor down and end their panic. This would prevent survivors from intentionally triggering the damage bonus and then healing each other, as you mentioned. Also it would make it highly difficult to zerg. Also, this would make the "panic state" an exhilarating experience for survivors, since it doesn't happen all that often. By the same token it would be fun and useful for zombies to sniff the air and zero in on a nice tasty snack that is guaranteed to be at very low health. What do you think?--GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 06:48, 25 August 2009 (BST)
- I love it. You've counterbalanced everything, and there's no way to fiddle it. Nicely done.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 11:08, 25 August 2009 (BST)
- Well, if you coudl pull it off so that it worked without abuse, that would be awesome. There should be benefits to be actually weakened to low health, but there's no real way I can see that people can't just do it to themselves. You could always say that you get a bonus / penalty / both if you've been attacked within 10 minutes, because that would be more reminiscent of fear, i feel. But still, not overly exciting or useful. So, I dunno. :S--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 00:14, 25 August 2009 (BST)
Okay great. I'll put it up for discussion with the new changes worked into the suggestion. Let's see what the rest of the community thinks about it now that we've had a chance to trim down the weak points.--GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 01:36, 26 August 2009 (BST)
I like the idea of it requiring a zombie to "put you in the state" but the main problem with that is that "live" combats are very rare. I'm not sure how much of a factor THAT will be. So a zombie puts me in "fear mode". Then what? I'd have to say you should only get to use the "bonus" against zombies. No P/G/Rking. The other idea I had was what if using the hit bonus had the chance of causing you damage. Not damage that could kill you, but say, for example, a 10% chance of doing a point of damage (or perhaps needing an additonal AP to complete the action).--Pesatyel 04:43, 27 August 2009 (BST)
- Hmm, I would have to disagree with the chance of doing damage. That's adding a whole new element to it and people generally don't like causing damage to themselves. I want the suggestion to be fun, not aggrivating, and self inflicted damage is aggravating.
- And as I understood it, we weren't talking about having this as a "live" combat feature. Any attack by a zombie that takes you under 14HP just makes you "afraid". From there you keep the damage bonus until you die or are FAKed.--GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 18:44, 28 August 2009 (BST)
- No prob. It was just an idea that popped into my head. What did you think of the idea of only being allowed to use the "fear bonuses" against zombies? No P/G/Rking.--Pesatyel 04:12, 29 August 2009 (BST)
- I can see some merit to that. It would be good because that would encourage zombie vs survivor combat, and that's my intention. My only reservation is that nothing else in the game works that way. All other attacks are possible against either survivors, zombies, barricades, generators, etc. I'm hesitant to suggest a change that introduces a "selective" attack, as there's no example in the game to model it on. I want to get this suggestion through with as little resistance as possible, and I'm afraid that adding elements or complications to it will only serve to present additional targets for people to have objections about.--GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 00:35, 30 August 2009 (BST)
- No prob. It was just an idea that popped into my head. What did you think of the idea of only being allowed to use the "fear bonuses" against zombies? No P/G/Rking.--Pesatyel 04:12, 29 August 2009 (BST)
XP Hoarding
| Timestamp: Uberursa 15:17, 21 August 2009 (BST)EDIT: --Uberursa 00:47, 23 August 2009 (BST) |
| Type: Mechanincs |
| Scope: anyone who gains XP |
| Description: Players will only be able to accumulate as much XP as is useful. A second TXP amount will keep track of the XP that a character has gained since the beginning of their time in Malton. The TXP amount will take the place of the current XP amount on the profile page.
When a new skill comes out, XP for the skill will become available for those who have excess XP. While this amount is derived from the TXP amount, it does not effect the TXP amount and only effects the useful XP amount. |
Discussion (XP Hoarding)
While this would not fix any current in-game problems, it would make suggesting some changes easier. Case and point being the Rot cure suggestions that pop up, as this would help prevent abuse of such a system if it were implemented. In addition, it would make it a bit more interesting for level 43 players when a new skill came out as they would have to gain the XP needed to buy it. It would also stop people from making suggestions that drain your XP (or at least give an excuse for every voter to spice the mechanically separated ham). People with big egos get the TXP amount. Everyone wins!--Uberursa 15:18, 21 August 2009 (BST)
- But this already exists. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 15:37, 21 August 2009 (BST)
- I think he is suggesting that any XP over what is needed for the current skills is stored only as a statistic and cannot be spent. If a new skill comes along you would not be able to buy it from these existing xp but would instead need to earn more. --Honestmistake 15:44, 21 August 2009 (BST)
- Exactly. --Uberursa 16:40, 21 August 2009 (BST)
- No. We like to collect XP.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 17:24, 21 August 2009 (BST)
- But that's essentially what a player has right now? So what if they are level 32 and have 3000xp, just add 3200 XP onto the total and you've accumulated the approximate amount of XP they've gotten- this feature is practically already in the game, in a better form than I see this is. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 17:29, 21 August 2009 (BST)
- Sort of but as I say the main (indeed only) point of this seems to be to make all that excess XP unusable once you are maxed out meaning you will always have to do some work to obtain a new skill rather than just buying it with some of that unused XP mountain so many of us have... I almost approve tbh, only problem is that its pretty much only going to have any effect on zombies who buy rot. --Honestmistake 19:01, 21 August 2009 (BST)
- Exactly. --Uberursa 16:40, 21 August 2009 (BST)
- I think he is suggesting that any XP over what is needed for the current skills is stored only as a statistic and cannot be spent. If a new skill comes along you would not be able to buy it from these existing xp but would instead need to earn more. --Honestmistake 15:44, 21 August 2009 (BST)
It's not really useful as a change to the game, but may be useful or even vital to the implementation of other suggestions. I don't know whether I'd vote for it, but I think it should at least be sent through the system. Even if it winds up in peer-rejected, it will still be on record. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 21:08, 21 August 2009 (BST)
This would put those players who never gain the whole skill set (survivors without brain rot, or zombies without survivor skills) at an advantage. Because they always have skills available to buy, even though they never will, they will have the XP available to buy any new skills immediately, while brain rotted zombies with all the human skills will have to earn new points each time. The same applies to zombies with no intention of buying any of the human skills, they will have hundreds of XP immediately available, because the system doesn't realise that they have no intention of buying basic firearms training, etc. -- boxy talk • teh rulz 22:21 21 August 2009 (BST)
- True, but the current system has that anyway.--Uberursa 22:37, 21 August 2009 (BST)
- No it doesn't. Currently, level 43's can save XP for immediate use, under your system they would be the only ones not to have XP available for new skills until the new skill was implemented -- boxy talk • teh rulz 22:52 21 August 2009 (BST)
- Oh so that's what you wanted to get across. Sorry, I didn't pick that up. In any case, it could be changed so that when a new skill came out, it would automatically transfer the correct amount of XP back into usable form. --Uberursa 02:00, 22 August 2009 (BST)
- No it doesn't. Currently, level 43's can save XP for immediate use, under your system they would be the only ones not to have XP available for new skills until the new skill was implemented -- boxy talk • teh rulz 22:52 21 August 2009 (BST)
I don't like this as it diminishes my Ascension idea under Gat's crap which basically lets you spend 1k EXP to start over when you reach max level... look under gats crap sometime for it as I wish to expand on it. --Crazy Hobo Man 02:20, 22 August 2009 (BST)
- In what way? I looked at the idea, and it could simply be available as an option when someone get 1000 above the useful XP amount.--Uberursa 05:18, 22 August 2009 (BST)
- - Damn it crackhead, stop hyping your stupid list of dumb ideas you didn't even bother to post on DS, and stop trying to act like any of it matters. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 16:03, 22 August 2009 (BST)
I believe you guys are misreading the suggestion. As I read it, the suggestion says NOTHING about doing anything to your XP. It is suggesting that, somewhere on your profile, it shows how much XP your character has earned. Simple as that. The way the game currently works, I can look at your character's profile and infer how much you have earned based on your class and skills, but beyond that I don't know for certain. This suggestion would let me know for certain.--Pesatyel 04:13, 22 August 2009 (BST)
- You're half right. Everything you said it true, but (as I said above) it would also prevent a level 43 character from gaining any more useful XP. The XP they gained while level 43 would show up in their profile, but could not be used to buy skills. Also, a level 41 character would have 200 useful XP, in case they ever wanted to buy brain and flesh rot. By the time this goes up, it will probably have been changed so that a level 43 character would get XP available when a new skill is implemented.--Uberursa 05:18, 22 August 2009 (BST)
- Ah, ok, guess I was wrong too. But now that makes me ask....what's the point?--Pesatyel 06:29, 22 August 2009 (BST)
- Yeah. Now it's actually been explained properly, it's just absolutely useless. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 08:30, 22 August 2009 (BST)
- Currently, it is useless. However, it would be useful to future suggestions, case and point being the Rot cure suggestions, because one of the argument that can be gotten rid of is the fact that it can be abused by those who have mountains of XP. Other than that, it takes the guesswork out of determining the total amount of XP a person has ever gained. --Uberursa 14:04, 22 August 2009 (BST)
- Basically you are arguing for something that will appeal to a very small target audience; that being those that want to see who has the most XP. For those 0.5% of UD players that want as such can take the time to find the total amount of XP the hard way, for all I care, for the current system is fine. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 15:33, 22 August 2009 (BST)
- Currently, it is useless. However, it would be useful to future suggestions, case and point being the Rot cure suggestions, because one of the argument that can be gotten rid of is the fact that it can be abused by those who have mountains of XP. Other than that, it takes the guesswork out of determining the total amount of XP a person has ever gained. --Uberursa 14:04, 22 August 2009 (BST)
- Yeah. Now it's actually been explained properly, it's just absolutely useless. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 08:30, 22 August 2009 (BST)
- Ah, ok, guess I was wrong too. But now that makes me ask....what's the point?--Pesatyel 06:29, 22 August 2009 (BST)
So this suggestion actually has NOTHING to do with XP totals (to which I can just put in my description if I wanted people to know), but is all about forcing maxed out players to go out and earn XP in order to buy any new skills that may be added to the game. The "XP total appearing on your page" thing is just a side effect so people don't feel like they are getting screwed since they are, technically, losing the thousands of XP they've accrued since the last couple of skills were added.--Pesatyel 20:46, 22 August 2009 (BST)
- While this would not fix any current in-game problems, it would make suggesting some changes easier(See Leluoch's post). Case and point being the rot cure suggestions. You're right about taking away useless XP from characters. What I'll just do now is attempt to re-word it so that it is more clear and allow characters with excess XP to retrieve XP when new skills come out. --Uberursa 00:39, 23 August 2009 (BST)
- In that case, this is a dupe of an ingame function. Since XP can only be spent on skills and there are no no skills currently to be bought, then the XP is, effectively "unavailable" until a new skill is introduced. And, if I wanted people to see my XP total, I can put it in the character's description.--Pesatyel 20:26, 23 August 2009 (BST)
- I will say this again THIS WILL NOT FIX ANY IN GAME PROBLEMS. IT WILL SIMPLY MAKE IMPLEMENTING CERTAIN SUGGESTIONS EASIER, INDEED POSSIBLE, WHILE DISCOURAGING THE USE OF XP AS A BALANCING FACTOR. That is all I'm trying to do. That is the point. I have said it four times now, once in bold. I'm sorry if I am being offensive, but it is not a dupe. It changes a technicality into a hard-and-fast rule, similar to making a flack jacket work only on guns as opposed to weapons that do 5+ damage.-- Uberursathis bear wants honey 02:54, 24 August 2009 (BST)
- You can USE ALL THE CAPS YOU WANT since your not saying anything at all.
- I will say this again THIS WILL NOT FIX ANY IN GAME PROBLEMS. IT WILL SIMPLY MAKE IMPLEMENTING CERTAIN SUGGESTIONS EASIER, INDEED POSSIBLE, WHILE DISCOURAGING THE USE OF XP AS A BALANCING FACTOR. That is all I'm trying to do. That is the point. I have said it four times now, once in bold. I'm sorry if I am being offensive, but it is not a dupe. It changes a technicality into a hard-and-fast rule, similar to making a flack jacket work only on guns as opposed to weapons that do 5+ damage.-- Uberursathis bear wants honey 02:54, 24 August 2009 (BST)
- In that case, this is a dupe of an ingame function. Since XP can only be spent on skills and there are no no skills currently to be bought, then the XP is, effectively "unavailable" until a new skill is introduced. And, if I wanted people to see my XP total, I can put it in the character's description.--Pesatyel 20:26, 23 August 2009 (BST)
- Your suggestion: Once a player is maxed out, they cannot use their xp for anything until a new skill comes along. Once one does, they can then spend the XP they have accrued (75, 100 or 150, depending on class and skill) to acquire the new skill. Is that or is that not what your suggesting?
- Current game operation? Once a player is maxed out, they cannot use their xp for anything until a new skill comes along. Once one does, they can then spend the XP they have accrued (75, 100 or 150, depending on class and skill) to acquire the new skill.
Now, how is what your suggesting NOT a dupe of how the game currently works? The only way it isn't is if you force players to earn the XP to buy the new skill when it comes up, but you yourself said you were going to allow maxed out characters to spend their banked XP. So did you change your mind?--Pesatyel 05:59, 24 August 2009 (BST)
- First, yes. Look at the suggestion again. Also, would you consider changing the mechanics of the flack jacket from reducing damage by 1 for every 5 base damage into only working on guns (-1 for pistol, -2 for shotgun) a dupe of an in game function? It is like 2+2=4 versus 1+3=4, different equations, same answer. If the answer is what you base your dupe argument on, then I would have to agree, however, I am trying to change the way we get there to make it useful to other, future, suggestions.-- Uberursathis bear wants honey 20:28, 24 August 2009 (BST)
So your saying you changed your mind and your NOT going to include the ability of players to use cached XP for new skills when they get added? You ARE going to force them to earn the XP to buy the new skill?--Pesatyel 05:29, 25 August 2009 (BST)
- No...-- Uberursathis bear wants honey 19:32, 25 August 2009 (BST)
- No WHAT? No your not going to let players used bank XP or no your not going to force them to earn the XP when a new skill is added? Which is it?--Pesatyel 07:23, 26 August 2009 (BST)
- People will not be forced to get new XP. -- Uberursathis bear wants honey 20:24, 26 August 2009 (BST)
- Then it is a dupe because thatis how the game works right now. You don't see that?--Pesatyel 04:44, 27 August 2009 (BST)
- Would you consider changing the mechanics of the flack jacket from reducing damage by 1 for every 5 base damage into only working on guns (-1 for pistol, -2 for shotgun) a dupe of an in game function? It is like 2+2=4 versus 1+3=4, different equations, same answer. If the answer is what you base your dupe argument on, then I would have to agree, however, I am trying to change the way we get there to make it useful to other, future, suggestions. I understand that nothing will change initially. I have said that. I'm just trying to make it easier to suggest future things. -- Uberursathis bear wants honey 06:29, 27 August 2009 (BST)
- Your not understanding. Your not ACTUALLY suggesting anything at all.
- Would you consider changing the mechanics of the flack jacket from reducing damage by 1 for every 5 base damage into only working on guns (-1 for pistol, -2 for shotgun) a dupe of an in game function? It is like 2+2=4 versus 1+3=4, different equations, same answer. If the answer is what you base your dupe argument on, then I would have to agree, however, I am trying to change the way we get there to make it useful to other, future, suggestions. I understand that nothing will change initially. I have said that. I'm just trying to make it easier to suggest future things. -- Uberursathis bear wants honey 06:29, 27 August 2009 (BST)
- Then it is a dupe because thatis how the game works right now. You don't see that?--Pesatyel 04:44, 27 August 2009 (BST)
- People will not be forced to get new XP. -- Uberursathis bear wants honey 20:24, 26 August 2009 (BST)
- No WHAT? No your not going to let players used bank XP or no your not going to force them to earn the XP when a new skill is added? Which is it?--Pesatyel 07:23, 26 August 2009 (BST)
- Your suggestion: Once a player is maxed out, they cannot use their xp until a new skill comes along. Once one does, they can then spend the XP they have accrued (75, 100 or 150, depending on class and skill) to acquire the new skill.
- Current game operation: Once a player is maxed out, they cannot use their xp until a new skill comes along. Once one does, they can then spend the XP they have accrued (75, 100 or 150, depending on class and skill) to acquire the new skill.
- Show me how your suggestion is 2+2=4 and the current game mechanics are 3+1=4. If you had stuck with the "force players to earn the XP to buy the new skill(s)" you would have a suggestion.--Pesatyel 07:09, 27 August 2009 (BST)
- It is a different way to achieve the same result. Players will be forbidden to use their XP as opposed to just not having anything to use it on. The difference is removing the "for anything" from your description of my suggestion.-- Uberursathis bear wants honey 14:59, 27 August 2009 (BST)
- Show me how your suggestion is 2+2=4 and the current game mechanics are 3+1=4. If you had stuck with the "force players to earn the XP to buy the new skill(s)" you would have a suggestion.--Pesatyel 07:09, 27 August 2009 (BST)
I said show me how your suggestion is 2+2=4 and the current game mechanics are 3+1=4. Did you? No. You said players are "forbidden" to use their XP...until a new skill comes along. Then they are no longer forbidden. Other than semantics, how is that different from how the game works now? Forbidden = not having anything to spend the XP on. BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SPEND THE XP ON. Since you couldn't answer my question, how about I posit another. My character is maxed out right now. Then what happens?--Pesatyel 05:55, 28 August 2009 (BST)
- This is about semantics (and nothing in answer to your question)-- Uberursathis bear wants honey 14:20, 28 August 2009 (BST)
- Recommendation: Don't submit as an actual suggestion.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 23:16, 28 August 2009 (BST)
- You took the words right out of my mouth, but to be honest, had he stuck with (and discussed) the original idea, it mighta been better.--Pesatyel 04:10, 29 August 2009 (BST)
- Recommendation: Don't submit as an actual suggestion.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 23:16, 28 August 2009 (BST)
Storage Closet
| Timestamp: Brainguard 03:53, 21 August 2009 (BST) |
| Type: Building Addition |
| Scope: Buildings |
Description: All buildings would have a storage closet. When in the building, humans would have two options, "Take [item] from closet.", and "Put [item] in closet." Any items in the closet could be used by anyone, but there is a 20 item limit to closet items. Flavor text:
Zombies and humans can also attack the closet, which destroys one random item in the closet (if it hits). Flavor text:
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Discussion (Storage Closet)
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NTY, I'm in a good mood so I'll just say this is in dupes, I'm sure a better wiki editor will post it :P --Crazy Hobo Man 04:14, 21 August 2009 (BST)
No. Did you even read the Suggestions Dos and Do Nots? I'm going to say this in large bold letters, not to show anger, but to ensure that everyone sees this. NO ITEM TRADING, AND DON'T MESS WITH OTHER PEOPLE'S INVENTORIES! IT ZERGS, IT SUCKS, IT FAILS; DON'T DO IT. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 04:25, 21 August 2009 (BST)
- tbh messing with other people's inventories isn't strictly relevant here. It means messing with someone's inventory without their consent. This suggestion is still dupetastic though. --Anotherpongo 08:50, 21 August 2009 (BST)
- It lets you destroy someone else's items, how is that not screwing with their inventory? It doesn't matter; this suggestion is irredeemably mired in failure. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 14:07, 21 August 2009 (BST)
- Its not in their inventory anymore though is it. Its in the storage closet of zerginess. --Honestmistake 15:21, 21 August 2009 (BST)
- It lets you destroy someone else's items, how is that not screwing with their inventory? It doesn't matter; this suggestion is irredeemably mired in failure. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 14:07, 21 August 2009 (BST)
If you suggest it, it WILL be spammed, and it WILL be duped, and it WILL be cycled within a week. Rule #7 of suggestions: If it is even remotely possible to zerg with it, people will vote it down. If it is very clearly zerging, then it will die in a ball of flames and hatred. Do not take it personally. --Blake Firedancer T E RNL? P.I.S.I.T. 05:34, 21 August 2009 (BST)
As blake. this is zerg-abusable and shouldn't be put any further than the depths of DS. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 14:09, 21 August 2009 (BST)
What if you made it so that you could only take an item out if you were not of the same IP as the guy who put it in. No zergs! --Brainguard 14:23, 21 August 2009 (BST)
- No decent-minded zerg uses the same IP anyway. It's all done through proxy's, so that clause wouldn't help this suggestion a single bit. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 15:13, 21 August 2009 (BST)
- I never realized this had zerg potential, so I'm actually gonna thank you for shooting this down before it did any damage.--Brainguard 21:49, 21 August 2009 (BST)
- Holy $#%&: An author who actually listened to information which proved his idea to be fundamentally flawed, understood it, took the advice, avoided screaming or cursing, and actually used Developing Suggestions in the manner that it was intended for! I guess you really do see everything if you hang around long enough... You, good sir, will be getting a congratulatory template from me right after I regain feeling in my arms... Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 22:33, 21 August 2009 (BST)
- Similarly, thank you for responding in such a selfless manor about what we said. Best of luck to you in the future. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 06:21, 22 August 2009 (BST)
- I never realized this had zerg potential, so I'm actually gonna thank you for shooting this down before it did any damage.--Brainguard 21:49, 21 August 2009 (BST)
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