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ˈīˌkän :Talk Archive 2011

Announcement: I'm no longer active. My talk page is still your best bet to get in touch. —Aichon— 04:39, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

This is an archive. Don't post here.

If you have anything you'd like to add to one of these conversations, then go to my talk page, reference the relevant conversation from here, and post your comments there. This page should not be edited by others. These are all messages I've filed away. They shouldn't be changed or added to, since the contexts of the situations have been lost, forgotten, or could simply be remembered differently by the involved parties. I'd prefer to start any of these conversations fresh, if they must come up again.

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No!!!!!!!

-MHSstaff 03:41, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Lol. Like I said in the edit summary when I posted that, I'll likely be around for a few more weeks, but I didn't want to take anyone by surprise, so I'm posting it now. —Aichon— 05:33, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

You'll be sorely missed around here when you go, Aichon. I like the way you're stepping out, though. Like you're weening us all off slowly. Good luck with the degree and all and be sure to poke your head in from time-to-time and check in on us. From one Texan to another, farewell. ~ 05:56, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

I like to ease out of places most of the time since there are less questions. Plus, I don't have anything else at the moment to fill in the time I've been spending here, so that'll likely keep me coming back for a bit. If you ever find yourself in College Station, let me know so I can treat you to lunch/dinner. And who knows where I'll end up come this summer? —Aichon— 06:10, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

I have a cousin graduating at A&M this summer so I might be able to take you up on that if you'll be there. ~ 06:25, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Well, if things go well, I'm afraid I won't be here, but we'll see. —Aichon— 07:08, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

A sad day indeed. -- Spiderzed▋ 13:49, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Don't worry, nobody ever leaves the wiki. Just ask me. Linkthewindow  Talk  06:50, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, same thing happens to old message boards I left years ago. I'm sure I'll be around. ;) —Aichon— 07:08, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

another post I note, I know you couldn't leave whilst people continue to make random statements on the wiki! --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 18:43, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Almost sounds like you're trying to get rid of me. :P Anyway, I said I'd be around for another few weeks, and I meant it. While my contribs may have dropped off, I'm still lurking almost as much as ever. —Aichon— 18:48, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Not at all, a lurking Aichon is better than users who post on everything regardless, and the feedback from ex sops is really appreciated on the various promotion bids. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 18:56, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

How bad would a

single 54-case switch be as far as tree-hugging, terrorist-supporting wiki page magic inclusion things be? Would it kill the FA page?-MHSstaff 23:11, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

It'd actually be a 108 case switch statements (54 for current and 54 for previous), and it wouldn't be that bad. Each case would basically just have the unique portion of the link to each FA blurb, which would likely just be a few characters long, and anything that was common to the link could be put before or after the switch in the template so that it didn't have to get repeated 108 times. Shouldn't even be close to page-breaking if done right, but I'd suggest sandboxing it first to make sure anyway. —Aichon— 05:23, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Here is what I am thinking. A master switch template that calls one of 54 pre-generated templates based on the number of FA articles we have. Those templates then get the correct FA article based on the current week. I basically have a program that spits out the wiki code so its just a matter of copying and pasting. Here is the 17-article version for example, and here is a 43 article version. Here is sorta what the main template would like, and here is where I am calling it. This way, you wouldn't have to update as you voted in new articles. You just change the number of articles (nofa) variable in the page calling main driver template, make a new FA blurb page, and the main template picks the right one for cycling. What changes should be made? I can update the code to spit out the version with your suggestions but there is no point in copying and pasting it until we have something we all like. -MHSstaff 19:16, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Otherwise, you would have to edit the cases in the template each time you add in articles so the new ones will get called during their week, which would kinda suck. -MHSstaff 19:33, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

This was pretty much exactly what I had in mind when I had some time to wrap my brain around it. The only change I would make is to have a page (or template) which contains the nofo variable. User then just creates a new blurb and updates the page with number of variables and wiki magic does the rest. ~ 19:43, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

I know exactly what you are saying, but I am not sure what that page would look like. Do you have an example?-MHSstaff 19:49, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

It would be a low content page. It's only content would be number of articles. That page is then transcluded on User:MHSstaff/Projects/TestingGrounds4 after the nofa variable. It would just save people from having to edit the main template which is doing the work. I guess it's not really necessary but might make things as simple for editors as it can possibly get. ~ 19:58, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Also, we wouldn't need 54 templates. Since there are already 18 articles, we could start there and go up to 54. Since only one of these templates would be in use at any given time, we'd need to have an ark to keep them off the scheduled deletion list. When a new article is added, the unnecessary template should be deleted.

I keep trying to think of a way of getting around creating 36 new templates but can't wrap my brain around it. ~ 20:26, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

It's easier to just mass create them at the beginning using a code, copy/paste, and store them in an ark IMO. Doing these by hand each time would be a pain. Plus with the prefix variable, it could be used for other things so there is really no penalty to having them already made-MHSstaff 20:33, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

No need to ark them, since they shouldn't be speedy deleted. They all have a purpose after all, and unlike images, which get deleted if they go unused, articles do not automatically get deleted. Anyway, I like the general idea, but having to have multiple different templates (e.g. 17, 43, x) seems like a lot of work.

Honestly, all of our solutions will work out worse than what we currently have, in my opinion, since all of them will end up repeating some articles before they are supposed to be repeated (e.g. we may end the year on FA8 and will then start the new year over again, losing FA9+ for a cycle), and will involve having to edit multiple pages when adding new FA. What we have now works, and it's even easier now that we've gone through the whole FA list, since all you have to do is cut/paste the last blurb up to the top of the FA page and then move the old ones down a notch. Why don't we just focus on making that process easier, rather than trying to automate the whole shebang? —Aichon— 20:40, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

For me, it is going to be used to rotate MHS content every week or so. But if you want to keep on truckin' with a)creating a new FA schedule everytime a new FA is added, actually having users remember to stick by that schedule, and copy/pasting blurbs every two weeks, that's cool too. If the current system is working, we're probably best off not worring about it then.-MHSstaff 21:10, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

You shall be incredibly proud

Got Chrome. :D --Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 08:09, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Sweet! It'll take some getting used to, but you should notice the speed it has going for it, as well as the fact that it just does some things most of the others don't (e.g. it actually displays my name correctly at the top of this page, whereas none of the others besides Safari does that).—Aichon— 15:17, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Yep. I've installed it on my new laptop, and I'm trying to slowly make myself use it on here instead of IE. --Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 15:47, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Your signature is awesome, btw.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 16:40, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Don't I know it! A shame that more people can't see it as it's meant to be seen. It's best if you have the Cochin font installed too. —Aichon— 17:07, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

What is happening with the signature? Is it going woop! woop! and flashing and stuff?--_GANG Giles Sednik _CAPD 11:44, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Much more subtle than that. Get a real browser and you can see the difference. ;) —Aichon— 11:45, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

BASEPAGENAME

Hey, I thought you'd be a pretty good person to ask. I'm wondering why {{BASEPAGENAME}} doesn't really seem to work on some pages. For example, if the magic word is placed on Fight Factory/Nav, it returns Fight Factory/Nav instead of Fight Factory like I would expect. The help section mentions that {{BASEPAGENAME}} only works on namespaces that have subpages enabled. It leads me to believe that pages in the main space do not have subpages enabled. Do you think that's the case? My eventual goal is to create some subcategories of some inclusion only pages that I use for groups I'm involved in and I'd like the group name to be the subcategory name. Hope that makes since. See here for one of my attempts [1]. ~ 06:47, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't believe subpages are enabled in the main namespace, which basically means that, technically, X/Y is a page named "X/Y" (hence the BASEPAGENAME issues) rather than a page Y that is a subpage of X. You can tell because if you go to something like User:Aichon/Other, Other will have a link near the top that will take you back to User:Aichon, whereas similar behavior doesn't happen in the main namespace.

Anyway, since I'm beyond tired after researching companies for a career fair today, I'll just point you in a few directions. One is that you might look at [[Category:CAT_NAME|GROUP_NAME]] to do stuff. Not sure if it helps. The other is Template:Subcat, which you can see in use here. It may be useful. I'll let you poke through those and see what works, but it should still be doable, though you'll likely not be able to use the magic words. You might also ping DDR or Rooster, since they both have significantly more categorization wiki-fu than I do. I always left that stuff alone since it was messy and hard to see. —Aichon— 11:57, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Sig

What's your issue with it? I know that some people have trouble with the special characters. And Trips complained once about the green-on-black colour scheme. -- Spiderzed▋ 20:35, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

I just think it looks tacky. Purely aesthetic reasons. The monospaced green on black is not something I'm a fan of, nor do I particularly like the box-like shapes around names in sigs, unless it's just an outline rather than filled in. You don't actually have to change it (maybe I should add that note to A/PM, since it wasn't entirely clear I was kidding), but for some reason I kinda always cringe whenever I see it. I really have no idea why I dislike it as much as I do. —Aichon— 20:40, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Being a fan of old home computers, I actually like the retro-look of monospaced green on black. I might slightly adjust the tone, but it wouldn't be the same if it was only done with an outline. The black box is also needed to replicate the FU logo with text. (And using solely text is important to me, as I dislike pictures in sigs, and as pictures in sigs have occassionally caused trouble as with Mis' and DDR's sig for a while.) For the other group links it's not so much needed, but I still used boxes for them to make them look more similar. As for the kidding, I figured as much. -- Spiderzed▋ 20:48, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

What exactly is the FU text? Is that unicode? Foreign language chartacters? I've always wondered. ~ 20:53, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

The FU text is done with Unicode block elements. You might remember some of them if you are old enough to have worked with text-based pseudo-graphical interfaces as Norton Commander. -- Spiderzed▋ 21:26, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I know you're going for the retro look. ;) Still though, I'm just not a fan, but I know that you can't please everyone, it'd definitely lose its retro feel if you went with an outline, and I'm being rather uncompromising here, which is not fair to you at all. I certainly appreciate that last fact, so I'm not actually advocating you change your sig. I'm just giving you a tough time while I can. As for images in sigs, DDR and Mis were both using old code (an experimental copy of a new version of Template:Click that I had made) that had been obsoleted because of the problems it had. Had they been using the newer code (the current Template:Click), there wouldn't have been any issues. —Aichon— 21:01, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Random beginnings

It's only fair that as I start to go inactive I take a long look back at my time here. I was glancing through the history for my talk page, and I noticed that I got quite varied introductions from some of the typical wiki personalities around here, which, in many ways, ended up being indicative of my later interactions with them. In order of appearance, here are 30 of them:

1. August 2009: Yonn WN'd me. His first real post on the page wasn't until January of 2010, however, when he hit me up for GSGM 2010 info.
2. October 2009: Giles clarified something I had misunderstood when working on the update to the barricade plan template (my first wiki project).
3. October 2009: Ross wanted to talk about large-AP repairs and then thanked me for being sensible during a (N)POV dispute on a suburb page involving one of my groups.
4. October 2009: Rory complimented me on my then-new page design (it wasn't nearly as good as it is now).
5. October 2009: SA chimed in with random comments regarding page theft. <3 SA.
6. November 2009: Lelouch wanted to find out how I had discovered his secret society on the wiki.
7. November 2009: Midianian asked if I wanted to adopt his userscripts.
8. November 2009: AHLG complimented Macs.
9. November 2009: DDR expressed his love for DOTA. And then he referred to my brother as a faggot indirectly. <3 DDR too.
10. November 2009: Read offered an insightful and helpful comment suggested SA and I start dating.
11. November 2009: J3D was the first user to have a comment deleted from my page.
12. November 2009: Maverick came by to compliment my user page by letting me know he was stealing some of it.
13. December 2009: Bob made a joke and offered a quick encouragement that I may be a decent person for sysop eventually.
14. December 2009: Iscariot dragged wiki politics about RHO's A/PM bid into the conversation.
15. January 2010: Mis apologized for making mistakes and offered me a copy of the internet as compensation for harm done. I told him I already had it.
16. January 2010: Chief Seagull offered information and suggestions for userscripts I had.
17. January 2010: Rooster chimed in with a veteran perspective on the GSGM 2010 affairs.
18. March 2010: Thad complimented my new (and currently still in-use) page design, saying that it reminded him of Assassin's Creed.
19. April 2010: Link congratulated me on my promotion to sysop.
20. April 2010: Poodle of doom asked a technical question for something relatively simple. Misanthropy sniped the answer. This happened a lot, come to think of it. Both the simple questions and the sniping.
21. May 2010: Cornholioo was uncharacteristically polite in asking a decent question. If only we knew then what we know now...
22. May 2010: Spiderzed offered some useful advice to a userscript user in need of some help.
23. June 2010: Axe gave me a cookie for fixing a sig problem he had.
24. July 2010: RHO interjected with a random comment and then disappeared.
25. July 2010: TripleU asked for a custom-coded userscript that would help him destroy all of the Christmas Trees in the game.
26. August 2010: Cheese informed me that I had acted improperly by permabanning Cornholioo when I did. Me banning people too early was a bit of a recurring theme around here...
27. September 2010: Vapor asked about an experimental template he wanted to use that I had been developing but not really publicizing.
28. September 2010: Sexualharrison asked for help after a wikicode mistake left the news on the front page in shambles.
29. October 2010: MHSstaff asked for some design help with the best newspaper in the game.
30. December 2010: Boxy finally made an appearance and informed me very politely that I had made a mistake in correcting something that I thought was a mistake.

So yeah, fun stuff. It's interesting to see who all has stopped by. There are definitely a few notable absences (e.g. I can't believe Revenant never said anything here), but it seems that my talk page has managed to attract a lot of attention while I've been around. —Aichon— 22:52, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

And may I say I am honoured to have WN'd you.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 23:03, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

I have to say, I lawled when I saw it was you that had done it to me, since I couldn't remember. —Aichon— 23:05, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

It's especially surprising, considering how few people I actually WN'd. Epic stuff though. What's the bet the other people I WN'd become sysops?--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 23:09, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Maybe you just know how to pick 'em? :D But yeah, when I saw it, it was one of those, "That's awesome. I can't believe he WN'd me." type of things. As I laughed, of course. —Aichon— 23:15, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

I also WN'd Zensaga, but nobody else notable. I'll never know who WN'd me, because it was sometime in early to mid 2008 that I got an account, and I didn't save my template anywhere. I'd like to think it was Grim or Gnome or somebody, but it was probably just some +1er. :( --Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 23:21, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

If Zensaga ever makes it as an Op (which is unlikely. He rarely uses the wiki), I claim the fact that he's only playing this game because I introduced him to it, and that includes the good ol' wiki. ;) --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 23:35, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Don't leave us, Aichon!!! We love you!!! D= --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 23:10, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Hey, attention whoring like what I'm doing here only keeps me around longer. >_> Err...did I say that out loud? —Aichon— 23:15, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

We'll give you an undeclinable promotion, then you'll have to stay! >:D--Thadeous Oakley Talk 23:26, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Looking at that list makes me sad. Man, I miss the good old days, when guys like Cyberbob, J3D, SA and even Iscariot were active. If only I wasn't such a dick back then, it would have been even better. God damn you Kevan :( --Thadeous Oakley Talk 23:31, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Aichon, if you do not stay, I will go on a hunger strike. How's would you like that to be on your conscience? ...Are you gonna eat that stapler? --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 23:35, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

So...you mean I'd actually have a chance at being the most-linked user? Maybe that would bring me back. :P —Aichon— 00:12, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Lol! Dota Rox! -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 23:34, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, yours was another one I really laughed at. Such a wacky first series of posts here, all interjected in the middle of a massive conversation SA and I were having back then. —Aichon— 00:12, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Umm...

I was reading your talk page's archive(2010), and it appears that most of the templated sigs were copied incorrectly. It starts from here, all the way to the bottom (with a few exceptions). Sorry. (I am saying sorry because this makes me feel like some self-important noob for some reason. Sorry if I do come across as such.) -- †  talk ? f.u. 11:03, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Too many template inclusions. Its the wiki's creakyness, not aichon. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 11:11, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

That's a relief. Much better it than him. And now I know not to include too many templates, too! -- †  talk ? f.u. 13:24, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, if you view the source for the page (as in, use your browser to actually view the HTML source for the page, not use the wiki to edit the page) and then do a search for the word "bytes", you should eventually find some commented out lines of code that will specify the "pre-expand include size", the "post-expand include size", the "template argument size", and the "maximum". If those first three sum to exceed the last one, then templates start breaking and showing up as just links. The simple way around it is to just break the page up into smaller parts, which is what a lot of folks do, but for archival purposes, I'd rather have them all together. —Aichon— 15:19, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

On another note, where can I get the thingy that lets me view someone's profile on mouseover? I think sexualharrison uses something like that. Thanks (I use chrome). -- †  talk ? f.u. 14:34, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

That's a userscript that I never really used since it doesn't work in Safari. Can't remember the name of it or where to find it, I'm afraid. —Aichon— 15:21, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Let me be of help: It's Profile Viewer. An older version is floating around somewhere on the wiki - the linked version has been altered by me to use the current RG link, rather than the old one. -- Spiderzed▋ 15:28, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

it works fine in firefox, which i happen only to use when i play UD. i prefer safari and chrome. better integration with my mail and cal apps and what not.--

bitch 17:15 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Help with a Template

Hey Aichon, I made this template: User:Thoroaeborus/Sandbox3, and want to use it here: User:Thoroaeborus/Sandbox4. The problem is that when I add more of this template the next boxes appear below the previous one and I'd like a way to make them appear at the right side (like a map). I've tried using the span tag since this one is used at the Template:CodeInline to produce "in line" results but it didn't change anything. If you know any way to make the boxes appear one after the other, be it editing the template directly or the page where I use it, then it'll be very helpfull. Thanks ~THOROAEBORUS 01:43, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Should be fixed for you now. The long and short of it is that CodeInline works on text because text is inherently an inline element. Tables, on the other hand, which is what you were using, are considered to be block level elements. Block level elements naturally go one under the other, unless you position them using special CSS stuff. So, I added a "float:left" to the table you were using, which tells each Sandbox3 that they should try and move as far to the left as they can, and shouldn't bump other block to the next line. After that, it was a simple matter of removing the extra line breaks you had on Sandbox4 in order to get them to show up next to each other. Hope that works for you! —Aichon— 02:03, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

It's perfect now, thank you very much! ~THOROAEBORUS 16:54, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Your sig

Finally using Chrome, so I'm seeing your sig as I'm meant to. Not worth the installation time. 16:54, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

I doubt you have the Cochin font installed. ;) Oh, and check my name at the top of my userspace pages to see how it looks spiffy. The sig doesn't show it off much. —Aichon— 17:03, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

you sir are a wiki dragon!--

bitch 17:12 14 March 2011 (UTC)

The slight fade effect is nice but I feel like something must be missing. 17:14, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Cochin. Great font. Times, which is probably what you're seeing, isn't really a substitute for it. Otherwise, nope. I like to keep things low-key and not too flashy. —Aichon— 17:21, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Me? Nah. I don't really swoop through and do swaths of work any more. Rooster or RHO would be the wiki dragons around here, I should think. —Aichon— 17:21, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Rooster and Dragon are less active than you and became "less active" with much less style. You're therefore still residing dragon. ~ _{17:47, 14 March 2011}

But that's the nature of a WikiDragon, which is why I say they're both better dragons than I am. Personally, I'd say that I was more of a WikiGryphon back when I was more active (with a bit of WikiOgre), and am more of a WikiPrincess now at this point, though I'm a bit light on the socializing. —Aichon— 18:26, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Christ just learn to take a fucking compliment :P --

bitch 18:47 14 March 2011 (UTC)

But then I wouldn't get so much attention. ;) —Aichon— 19:18, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

So in other words, you're a WikiPlatypus. ~ _{18:58, 14 March 2011}

I figure I'm the otter. Prove me wrong. 19:00, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Not gonna hear any disagreement from me. I'd lump both you and Rev in there. —Aichon— 19:18, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Nah. Mis, you're definitely the WikiZombie kidding, kidding ~ _{19:23, 14 March 2011}

Cite your source. 19:33, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

*whistles*. ~ _{20:00, 14 March 2011}

Not a Platypus. The WikiPlatypus doesn't know why it does what it does, whereas the Gryphon changes as the need arises. —Aichon— 19:18, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

YOU'RE ALL WIKICATS! WE ALL AREEEEEE -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 06:57, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

coding ?

how do I get rid of the white crap around my header box?--

bitch 19:03 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Fixed. You had left in a 10px padding on either side of it. 19:09, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

WikiJaguar too. You, that is. Me too, I suppose. —Aichon— 19:21, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Suburb Template

Thesis break? -

MHSstaff 02:04, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

More or less. Glanced at RC, saw your edits regarding TBD (I have my guesses what that's about, incidentally, but if it's what I think it is, I don't want to spoil it for everyone else), saw Neko's edits to add DEM to some suburb group listings, rage meter filled at additional blatant suburb group listing abuses and examples of guideline inattentiveness, and I went on a purge. Also, the code for your new sig is annoying. You can put it all in one line instead of being like that. :P —Aichon— 02:08, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

How close? I have a chapter and a half left for mine. :) UD makes for a good break sometimes.-

MHSstaff 02:10, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Not really close, honestly. The writing doesn't worry me so much as just the research itself, which is progressing finally. I've actually written a thesis-length paper in a night before (not that I would EVER do that again, since I literally suffered ill effects from doing so and took about a week to recover physically), and I've been teaching writing as a TA (not that I ever show any semblance of writing skill when online) while writing regular reports for my advisor, so writing doesn't scare me that much these days. —Aichon— 02:16, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

oh fuck off

The first thing I did when getting firefox 4 was jump to your userpage. Still no beautiful shading ;_; -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 13:10, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Well, I'd have to recode it to support Firefox anyway, since the code isn't even there for it to work with Firefox, but the bigger issue is that Firefox still doesn't have code that does what I want anyway. WebKit browsers work because they have three things:

1. The ability to make an alpha mask from an image
2. The ability to create a gradient from code
3. The ability to treat the gradient from code as an image

Last time I checked it, Firefox didn't have #2 or #3, but apparently FF 3.5 added support for #2. Unfortunately, however, Firefox still lacks #3. Their solution to the third is to tell people to use SVG, which I think is a rather hackneyed workaround, rather than a good solution. There might be some weird ways that it can be coerced into working (using a double background, setting the transparency gradient on the background, making the text transparent, and then masking the background in the shape of the text maybe?), but I can't be bothered to try something that convoluted. —Aichon— 16:28, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

thnx

wish you had shown up 10 minutes earlier. ;) ~ _{01:34, 28 March 2011}

Yeah, I was looking through the changes you made to the template, saw that you had re-used the historic code, and was wondering about whether or not it would break anything. Checked a few suburbs and they looked fine, but then checked another and realized that the first ones had looked fine because you had already edited them. At that point, I just figured it would be fun to make you get a whole lot of "This page has been edited..." messages. :P —Aichon— 01:37, 28 March 2011 (BST)

Gee thanks :D. I got to New Arkham and when I got to the edit page I pasted |other and realized it was already there. I know I hadn't gotten that far so I check RC. Figured you were just lending a hand. Little did I know you were just fucking with me ;). ~ _{01:47, 28 March 2011}

See, that's why I was able to do so many so quickly. Sounds like you do them one at a time, when the real trick is to use Safari (because Chrome handles tab ordering poorly for stuff like this, unless you use extensions), open every suburb in a separate tab, then open each suburb group listing in a new tab while closing the suburb pages, then editing each one in a new tab while closing the listings, then submitting them to a new tab while closing the edit windows. You never have to wait for a single page load after the first one, which means that you can be done just as fast as you can click around and copy/paste. Of course, it makes it easier for people to interfere, since you have them open for longer before getting to them and leaves a window for them to be edited, but your throughput is much higher, even if people mess with you.

And yeah, originally I thought that you had just missed a few suburbs, so I did a few on the second to last row of the city, but then I realized you were going through them in geographic order. Mis and I typically do them in alphabetical order whenever we do stuff like this, hence why I had only done a few before the last row, but once I saw what you were doing, I just went ahead and did the whole last row quickly, figuring I could beat you to the punch for fun. —Aichon— 01:57, 28 March 2011 (BST)

I'll keep the tab thing in mind the next time I take on a suburb project, though I get a distinct feeling that you're just trying to push chrome on me. How much is google paying you to pimp their warez?~ _{02:21, 28 March 2011}

I said don't use Chrome since it creates tabs in the wrong order (it uses tab grouping, which isn't good for tasks like these). :P I'm actually anti-Chrome for ideological reasons now, ever since they removed h.264 support in order to further their business pursuits. It's still a technically excellent browser, but I don't recommend it as much these days. —Aichon— 02:28, 28 March 2011 (BST)

The SA Link

Honestly, probably just GANKBUS members, many of which are also permanently banned users. It should also be noted that while groups like GANKBUS did exist, and a lot of harassment went back and forth between Amazing and users like User:Rueful, User:Jjames, and User:Scinfaxi he also frequently did stuff like this that helped give groups like ASS, which included many well respected wikizens like User:BobHammaro, User:Xoid, User:Gage and even User:Axe_Hack to bring it home. Those disputes were the initial reason civility and user page policies first came up. But, only one of his many bans came from that stuff. --Karek^maps?! 08:28, 7 April 2011 (BST)

^The reply I was posting as the page got protected. --Karek^maps?! 08:28, 7 April 2011 (BST)

Oopsies. That had to have been a hell of an edit conflict. ~ _{14:45, 7 April 2011}

It doesn't even give you an edit conflict when it's been protected, just runs straight to View Source actually. --Karek^maps?! 16:24, 7 April 2011 (BST)

Thought You Might Appreciate These

Just thought I'd pass along some reading on gradient properties and CSS3. Hopefully it'll, at worst, be interesting and at best it could help with getting your header and sig cross-browser consistent.

The first one here is a comparison chart that shows the different gradients and their code comparisons for Webkit and Gecko(mozilla). The second is a W3 editors draft article on CSS3 Images. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 05:59, 18 April 2011 (BST)

Sweet. I knew some more work had been done on them since I had set that up in the first place, and it's definitely good to see that gradients are being officially adopted. One problem that still exists, however, is that Mozilla doesn't seem to support the use of code as an input to alpha masks, which is what I am/was doing with Webkit. I suppose I could kinda fake it by creating a gradient that would mimic those colors on a white background, but it wouldn't be the same on other backgrounds, and it'd take twice as much code since I'd have to apply it separately to the "Aich" and "on" due to their different coloration. Still though, I view it as a matter of time before it becomes possible. —Aichon— 14:48, 18 April 2011 (BST)

Would giving your siggie a white background not do the trick? √^¶°® ™ _{15:07, 18 April 2011}

Depends what you mean by "the trick". If you mean, "look different than it does now, but have it consistent on all pages for all browsers", yes. If you mean, "look the same as it does now, and have it consistent across browsers and pages," no. What that'd do is add a white background to the text on darker background pages, whereas before I had a slight effect of the bottom half of my letters blending into the background, regardless of color. Anyway, I've pulled the code from my sig in order to increase contrast, make it leaner, and make it uniform across browsers and the least compromising way possible, so it's a moot point now. —Aichon— 15:22, 18 April 2011 (BST)

Was referring to your comment about faking the gradient but looking inconsistent on different colored backgrounds. It sounds like faking it will drastically change the look, though which seems like something you don't really want to do. FWIW, I think your sig looks great now, even when viewed on my Android tablet. √^¶°® ™ _{15:37, 18 April 2011}

Well, faking the gradient would keep it looking the same, so long as the background is white. On darker backgrounds, it would give it a glow effect as it went towards the bottom of the letters. A white background would fix that problem, but it would mean adding a white background, which would compromise the appearance in an entirely different way. —Aichon— 19:56, 18 April 2011 (BST)

Is Template:BB3currcolor still needed?

Hi, just thought I'd ask if you still have need for this template, or is it okay to post it to Speedy Deletions?--The General ^{T Sys U! P! F!} 17:58, 19 April 2011 (BST)

I've put it back into use as an inclusion in the place that it used to go and would prefer it not get placed on A/SD. While BB3 isn't active, if BB4 comes around someday, I'd like all of those template pieces to still be in place for them to use, that way they don't have to reinvent the wheel. —Aichon— 19:20, 19 April 2011 (BST)

Barrista

Does anybody have any advice for fixing this issue I am having? I'm on Win7 64x Ultimate using up to date Chrome (Same issue on Firefox).
Here's how my Barrista looks: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16374016/Barrista%20Issue.png
Here's how it should look: http://www.aichon.com/dumpbox/ud_userscripts/screenshots/udbarrista3.png
How can I fix my spacing/change the font so that it will look correct? I really want to use Barrista. (Ohh sorry, I missed that it was oldest to newest. Also not used to using wikis, sorry for not signing.) --Ashenden 18:29, 3 May 2011 (BST)

Hmm. Looks like your fonts are a smidge off some reason, and I can't reproduce the issue in my copy of Chrome. While I don't know what the problem is, I think I can do an easy fix for it, but since I can't test it on my end, you'll just have to try it out yourself. Try installing this version that I made for you. It changes the line heights for all of those chopped off lines to hopefully alleviate the problem. They may need to be moved up or down a bit more or less, since I had to use your screenshot to take a guess at what the proper amount was. And for all I know, it may not work at all. Let me know how it looks, and send me a screenshot if it looks different but isn't fixed completely. I can't promise I can fix it, and I don't have time at the moment for anything involved, but if it's simple, I can try to help. —Aichon— 20:07, 3 May 2011 (BST)

Worked like a charm, everything looks great now. Wonder what's up with my fonts. Ah well, thank you for such a quick reply and fix. Here's a screenshot of it. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16374016/BarristaFix.png --Ashenden 00:00, 4 May 2011 (BST)

Orphaned Images

File:Soc troops.png which you uploaded is currently unused and is subject to deletion if it is older than two weeks. If you wish to ensure that it remains on this wiki then you will need to ensure that it is included in at least one page on this wiki..--Thegeneralbot 22:44, 5 May 2011 (BST)

Feel free to delete it. I left a note to that effect on the page for the image when I orphaned it a few weeks back. I had figured it'd just get cleaned up without any hassle, but I was too lazy to A/SD it. —Aichon— 04:45, 6 May 2011 (BST)

Your A/D Comment

lol.--Yonnua Koponen ^{T G P} ^^^ 10:34, 15 May 2011 (BST)

I'd respond, but I can't figure out where your comment ends and the next line begins. >_> —Aichon— 14:34, 15 May 2011 (BST)

Super lol. We need you back in ops so I can be your op meatpuppet. -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 14:55, 15 May 2011 (BST)

No need for me to be back as a sysop. Just ask yourself the simple question, "What would Aichon do, given this particular situation, the context surrounding it, the history of the interactions between the involved individuals, all with a perspective towards doing what is in the best interest of the wiki, while also seeking to not set a precedent that could be used in a dangerous manner in the future." I like to abbreviate it for simplicity: WWADGTPSTCSITHOTIBTIIAWAPTDWIITBIOTWWASTNSAPTCBUIADMITF. With that simple acronym, anyone can determine exactly how I would make a decision! —Aichon— 18:55, 15 May 2011 (BST)

That sounds like . I prefer W.W.E.D. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 01:29, 9 June 2011 (BST)

Eris? —Aichon— 05:36, 9 June 2011 (BST)

Your AP War Article

Seems misleading. I'm assuming your math is based on your own personal experience because the syringe find rate is much higher than 8%(12AP), even pre-the Dead increase. Here's the last empirical looking data I can find on it. It kinda completely changes your numbers on combat reviving. Especially when I can almost guarantee that they're over 12% and have been since 2007/6. Just thought you might appreciate the feedback. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 07:30, 22 May 2011 (BST)

I think I went off of this (i.e. basically what you linked), or I may have had some other source entirely. I can't remember where I grabbed those numbers from, but I didn't produce them from my own research, and I do remember that they came from the wiki somewhere. I typed the entire thing up in one sitting really late at night while tired and procrastinating, so I wouldn't put it past myself to have simply mixed up the numbers and said 12AP instead of 12% (note: I remember I was using the unlit/unruined numbers, not the lit/unruined numbers). Even so, I wouldn't trust any search rate numbers prior to March 2010 unless the person used a script that "clicked" at random time intervals. Otherwise, Groove Theory could have had a significant impact on their results. —Aichon— 10:11, 22 May 2011 (BST)

Grooves lose impact over a large enough test group. That being said the non-groove results, and the assumption that groove was having a search impact, lend themselves heavily to the theory that those numbers were actually low because the people searching were not getting balanced rolls. Also, the DEM numbers arre exactly what you describe, they were pulled from DEM members via user script iirc. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 14:57, 22 May 2011 (BST)

Some boob altered my page

I would like to know who changed my page: http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/User_talk:Boocat/Sandbox

I never put in the Header "Sarah Palin's Stands on The Issues" User:Money-Grubbing_Neocon_Hack put that up and posted unfounded racist accusations about me. The guy is a coward, and I would appreciate it if you could have a word with him. I don't know who else to ask. Thank you for your time and help in this matter. boocat 22:16, 9 June 2011 (BST)

As it's a talk page, anyone can post on it as they see fit. However, as it's your talk page, you can remove anything and everything you want from it. 22:28, 9 June 2011 (BST)

I'm afraid I'm not really the type that handles mediation (even when I was a sysop, I tried to stay away from it), and while it's a bit harsh to say, I honestly don't have the time to get involved in these sorts of disputes at the moment since my schedule is already crowded as it is. That said, I can point you in the right direction, but you should be aware that he didn't break any rules in posting to your page, nor is there anything stopping you from simply removing the comments, as Misanthropy suggests above me.

Even so, if you don't like the comments he posted you can still protect yourself from future comments he might make. If you haven't done so already, make it clear to him on his talk page that his comments are not welcome on your page. Do so politely and courteously, but in no uncertain terms. You should do it yourself, and shouldn't get someone else to do it on your behalf. After that, should he continue, you should take him to arbitration and ask that he be barred from posting to your talk pages. Should he continue again after that point, you can take him to A/VB and get him brought up on vandalism charges. All of that is pretty standard procedure for how this sort of stuff is handled, so it's what I would suggest you do. —Aichon— 22:33, 9 June 2011 (BST)

Sysop Dream Team

As you may have seen from some of my recent comments, I'm assembling a super sysop dream team, and I feel that you need to be on it, even for the occasional appearance for an epic ruling. As such, I feel you need to reapply for promotion immediately.--Yonnua Koponen ^{T G P} ^^^ 21:58, 10 June 2011 (BST)

I'm afraid I haven't seen those comments yet (I'll look through your contribs in a sec), and I'm very flattered at your suggestion that I be on such a team, but I'm not sure if I'm a good fit for it or not. For one, I have no plans to ever nominate myself, simply because I've never wanted the position for myself. If someone else wants to nominate me, I'll consider it seriously, just as I did when I was nominated before, but I won't be putting myself forward of my own volition. Plus, it looks like we have a decent team right now, with some rather diverse folks that aren't afraid to speak their mind, so I'm not sure how much I can really add to the mix.

Also, I won't have time to devote a considerable amount of attention to the wiki for at least another few months. Even if I were a sysop, I wouldn't be ruling on A/VB often, I wouldn't be helping with janitorial stuff often, and I'd generally only chime in occasionally on matters. I'd be available for "epic" rulings, of course, but I can already chime in on such matters, though my voice carries no weight in an official capacity. —Aichon— 22:15, 10 June 2011 (BST)

:(--Yonnua Koponen ^{T G P} ^^^ 22:18, 10 June 2011 (BST)

Maybe in a few months I'll be more open to the idea. If someone were to put me up today, I'd have to really think about it because I know I couldn't contribute like I used to, at least until my grad work is done. —Aichon— 22:26, 10 June 2011 (BST)

Fair enough, I know the general feeling. I'm heading off to uni in September, and I'll have to really think about a third term as sysop.--Yonnua Koponen ^{T G P} ^^^ 22:54, 10 June 2011 (BST)

I've been bouncing the idea of a nomination around in my head for the last few hours, which I suppose was inevitable once it had been brought up. Just in case anyone was thinking about nominating me (see revision note), I'd probably turn it down if I were to be put up for the position at the moment. That may change in a few months when I have the time to contribute on the janitorial work, but right now I'd only make time for major discussions, and there are already plenty of capable and thoughtful sysops on the team. I feel that my voice wouldn't add much which isn't already being said, so I'd just be adding to the cacophony instead, rather than helping to bring about the best solution. If I saw that there was some serious dysfunction in the team, was convinced that I could offer a perspective which isn't being considered, or had time to contribute in other ways, I'd likely accept a nomination, but without one of those or some other important factor I haven't considered, I think that my addition would not be beneficial. Sorry if I got anyone's hopes up (see revision note again). —Aichon— 00:50, 11 June 2011 (BST)

Aichon is the dream team :/ -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 04:46, 11 June 2011 (BST)

Aichon, Hagnat, Zaruthustra, Swiers, Boxy, Ross, DDR, Red Hawk and the General. Boxy and Hagnat are crats.--Yonnua Koponen ^{T G P} ^^^ 15:23, 11 June 2011 (BST)

And I had hoped you go with Conndraka as sole crat overlord. -- Spiderzed█ 15:33, 11 June 2011 (BST)

Suburb

Just wondering, where is this discussion? The only discussion I can find was settled years ago with the section being kept and up until the removal it was still updated. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 08:53, 20 June 2011 (BST)

I think it was this one and maybe some of the other ones from right around then. Since it was up for discussion for a few weeks, received no objections, and the opinion of all the people that actually chimed in was to remove it, I went ahead and did that, figuring that anyone who dissented would simply undo the change (hence my edit comment) and put it back up for debate. You're welcome to do so if you want, though I won't participate in any debate on the matter at this point. ;) —Aichon— 09:17, 20 June 2011 (BST)