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This page is for users to request System Operator status. The act of user promotion is restricted to those with bureaucrat status, and as such users will need to request user promotion here. System Operators and Bureaucrats cannot assign promotions unless the request has gone through this page.

Guidelines for System Operator Requests

Users who wish to request System Operator status (and users who wish to nominate other users for System Operator status) should note that before they can be considered the following guidelines should be met by the candidate:

• Significant time within the community.

We define this as at least 6 months since the candidate's first edit.

Note: looking in a User's User contributions might give false results for this criterion, as the edit history is periodically purged on this wiki.

• Significant activity within the community.

We define this as at least 250 edits in the past six months under the candidate's name.

Note: looking in a User's User contributions might give false results for this criterion, as the edit history is periodically purged on this wiki.

• Prior interest in maintaining the community.

We define this as clear evidence that the candidate is already performing maintenance tasks and taking leadership roles on the wiki.

• Desire to become a System Operator.

We define this simply as indicating in the candidate's request their desire for the position (Note that if a person is nominated by another user, the candidate in question should note their acceptance of the nomination).

If a user is highly exemplary in one criterion, a certain amount of leeway may be given with the other criteria.

Once the candidate satisfies these guidelines, the user is then subject to a community discussion. All users are asked to comment on the candidate in question, ask questions of the candidate, and discuss the candidate's suitability for becoming a System Operator. This is not a vote. It is instead merely a request for comments from the wiki community. This will continue for two weeks to allow all users an opportunity to voice their opinion regarding a candidate's qualifications for promotion. After two weeks, the Bureaucrats are responsible for announcing their decision within a reasonably short period of time. Users may continue to add their thoughts until the Bureaucrats announce their decision. The current amount of System Operators running should not influence your decisions when voicing your opinion.

Once the two weeks are up, the Bureaucrats will review the community discussion and make a decision based upon it. The user will be notified of the status of their request, and will be promoted should it appear that the community is willing to accept them as a System Operator.

Example Application

Example User

• Example User (talk | contribs | UDWiki contribs | vndl data)

I've been around 3 months, and I've made to date 550 edits. As you can see [link here] and [link here], I've been in the leadership role attempting to create a new format for this page. I'd very much like to become a System Operator.

• Vouch - I am willing to vouch for this user. -- Voucher 03:41, 23 Jan 2006 (GMT)
• Against - Example User, I haven't seen any evidence of your work on the wiki. --Some user 19:01, 25 July 2006 (BST)
• Vouch - Example User is the most active guy here. --Another user 19:01, 25 July 2006 (BST)
• Abstain - I'm just not sure, but I don't want to say why for some reason. --Some other user 19:01, 25 July 2006 (BST)
• Question - I just want to know what you think about this subject? --Yet another user 21:26, 4 April 2013 (BST)

Candidates Currently Under Community Discussion

Generaloberst

• Generaloberst (talk | contribs | UDWiki contribs | vndl data)

Hello. I would like to apply for the position of system operator. Please take your time to read my motivations and consider voting for me.

On this wiki, I am known as Generaloberst. I'm almost 20 years old and an ethnic Dutchman. I'm a person with a very wide interest in the world. While most people are only interested in one thing, or a small range of things, practically everything in this world interests me. Art, language, politics, medicine, computers, sports, nothing escapes my curiousity. I am rational, inquisitive, evaluative and very free-thinking. Also, I'm always calm and neutral. My IQ is 130.

I graduated high school on many beta subjects (chems, psychics, economics, math, etc). The alpha subjects I have learned through selective, unremmiting self-study; yes, I actually do speak 8 languages (within 3 alphabets). Furthermore, I have knowledge of the computer languages HTML and C++, which I've worked with for a gamestudio on professional level. Right now I'm in university (I'm studying management). Though there is enough time left for me to be active ingame (I've been active since 2009) and on this wiki.

Should you vouch, you vouch for neutrality, activity and my general knowledge. This wiki needs my input as a sysop. User:Generaloberst/s 23:31, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

• Against I can't say I've seen anything you've done that would make you a good sysop. --Bad Attitude Kirsty _{K.C. R&D d.b.a. Org XIII} 23:37, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
• Against times ten - You've done absolutely nothing for the benefit of this wiki in the long term. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 23:40, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

  What I've done so far is deleting outdated items and update building statuses. Also, I'm the person that was behind the plan to update the dangermap reports. User:Generaloberst/s 23:42, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

  Links to these would help, all I see looking through 500 edits was you updating buildings you ruined and complaining about ghost towns. --Bad Attitude Kirsty _{K.C. R&D d.b.a. Org XIII} 23:56, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

  Suburb danger levels, also the open discussion. User:Generaloberst/s 0:00, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

  I covered the first one in "complaining about ghost towns." And I didn't see a single edit by you on your second link or the talk page. --Bad Attitude Kirsty _{K.C. R&D d.b.a. Org XIII} 00:10, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

  It's the open discussion for the same plan, that's what I ment. I had done my say in the relevant discussion, which is also linked to on that page. User:Generaloberst/s 00:18, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

  I'm a bit disappointed that that's what you're citing, since the discussions are stalled, you haven't moved them forward in months, and nothing has come of them. Compare the stuff you're citing with a similar project like the revamp of the barricade plan template from a few years back. Similar issues, but it had a few people driving it forward and doing actual work to make sure it happened. It finished in just a week or two too. Take your discussion through to completion and you'll have something that might be worth citing. For now, what you're citing as an accomplishment is actually a failed project, and the fact that you didn't realize that reflects poorly on you. —Aichon— 00:59, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

  Of course I realise that's quite unfortunate. My intentions, however, were good, which is always something worth citing. I don't see it as my fault that the project wasn't realised at the end. User:Generaloberst/s 09:09, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

  Good intentions are good, but they don't mean much without action. And while I don't fault you for the project failing to come to fruition, I do believe that its lack of conclusion makes it a poor choice to reference for an indication of your wiki activity. —Aichon— 14:56, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

• Against --Papa Moloch 00:19, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
• Strong Against - To be honest, I think you're a nice enough guy and I like you on a personal level, so I don't want this to feel like a personal attack, because that is not my intent. Even so, you're simply not sysop material, and I'd like to detail my thoughts for why.
  Your intro text alone demonstrates a clear lack of understanding of what the wiki needs in a sysop. That you're going into detail over topics such as your ethnicity, IQ, and fields of interest rather than discussing your stances on wiki matters in that much detail should be red flags for anyone (over 2/3 of your intro was about your background, rather than the wiki). In fact, I'm having trouble finding much of anything relevant or beneficial for you in your intro. Many of us have higher IQs (myself included), many of us speak multiple languages, many of us know HTML and C++ (in fact, by the time I was 18, I had already dabbled in over three dozen computer languages and worked in the space industry), many of us have completed wiki projects under our belts (the only one you cited has so far been a failure), and your claim to support neutrality is vague at best.
  Long story short, I have yet to see you cite a single valid reason for why you'd be a good sysop, and the fact that you apparently thought the things you were citing were valid reasons has given me cause to doubt your judgment in wiki matters. —Aichon— 00:59, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

  Thanks for the input Aichon. I completely believe that you (and other people) have the abilities as well. I noticed a long time ago there you're one of the smarter sysops here. Though I'm strongly convinced that general knowledge actually counts, in fact, I think it counts in everything a person does. So that is, in my opinion, not a valid a reason to turn me down I think. As for the wiki project, I already said that I realise it's quite unfortunate that the project was never realised. My intentions, however, were good, which is always something worth citing. I don't see it as my fault that the project wasn't realised at the end. Oh, and don't worry, being ethnic Dutch wasn't ment as a motivation... neither was being almost 20 years old. ;) User:Generaloberst/s 09:36, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

• If I'm honest, I think that you'd just use the position to rule on vandalism cases against people you don't like. In my opinion, putting aside whether or not that's bad (it's bad) it also demonstrates a misunderstanding of the sysop role. Being a sysop means working as part of a team and co-operating with people to reach an acceptable compromise, while at the same time putting in a lot of time for consistent janitorial work. At the moment, I don't think you've demonstrated the necessary teamwork skills, nor have you shown consistency. You tend to have small bursts of activity followed by periods of inactivity. I also don't ever think that having a wiki-user who's so focused on their group as a sysop can be a good thing. Looking at the history of the wiki there have been a few notable examples, but I won't go in to names.--Shortround }.{ My Contributions 01:14, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

  While neutrality is something you would have to believe on my word, I can ensure you that I would definitely be impartial at all times. I have provided a link to Yonnua's farewell message in the first post, and couldn't have voiced it better than that. What bothered me, is that certain cases here (such as editing another users talk page) got ruled as vandalism in the past when I did it. I know that isn't not allowed, but then I deliberately did so, to test the sysops neutrality. I think at the time they voted it as vandalism in my case cause of my political preferences. When someone else then did it, it was fine. If you're interested, have a look at the VB archives November 2011 and December 2011. That is something I would oppose, like Yonnua wanted it to be. Also, I think I'm one of the most active people around here. Many times more so than most of the other sysops. User:Generaloberst/s 09:46, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

• Strong Vouch - Clearly qualified... --THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 01:42, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

  AS for sysop! —Aichon— 01:43, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

  As per an agreement with Gage, I promised to never nominate myself so that he would have a place to roam free and not be in my shadow.--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 01:47, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

  Gage. There's a name I never thought I'd hear again. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 02:16, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

• Against - Besides not meeting some of the criteria such as not having done any maintenance tasks, nor being exemplary in other criteria, this User has a poor understanding of policy, especially in the realm of checkuser policy. He vandalizes pages and reports himself to try to prove points that don't need to be made. He harasses other users, going as far as vandalizing images used on their page. He's also trying to take credit for a project which started well before he arrived on the wiki. Worst candidate for sysop since...damn I think this is the worst. I was gonna say WOOT but at least WOOT was just in it for the lulz. ~ _{06:43, 15 March 2012 (UTC)}

  Yet another deceptive Vapor-post was just placed on this wiki. Vapor, you know that I made self reports and deliberate vandalism to test the sysops neutrality and exploit loops in the wiki-rules. While you are fully aware of this, you still bring this up as a reason not to vote for me and call it 'points that don't need to be made'. Right. You know that I'm not trying to take credit for a project which started before I arrived here; you know that I'm the person that brought that discussion back to life. Even though the project was never realised, I think my good intentions deserve to be cited. You knew, at the time, that Fascist Italian was ok with me deleting Harrison's comment off his talkpage. Yet you chose to warn me. When Spiderzed did the same thing, you didn't warn him. You knew that was what was going on. And most of all, you knew that Fascist Italian was going to infiltrate in our group. Yet you chose to let it happen. Now you're here, deliberately saying things of which you know they aren't true, so I can set everything straight again. You should feel disgusted with yourself for constantly doing that. But I know you don't. Probably you're just laughing at it from behind your monitor... or as you said it yourself 'for the lulz'. You would make a good condidate for Mossad; they do stuff like that all the time as well. User:Generaloberst/s 10:00, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

• Against: A nazi sysop? Fuck no. Plus everything that Vapor said up thar ^^^. ~~ Chief Seagull ~~ ^talk 08:45, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

  While most of the sysops at VB simply made up some stupid reason in order not to give me what I want because of my political preferences, this guy says it openly. I have to give you credit for not hiding your true opinion. I don't either. I, for one, am neutral at all time. My political ideas don't play any role in that. User:Generaloberst/s 10:08, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

• Against - "Intelligent neonazi" is a contradiction, hope this helps.-- Thadeous Oakley Talk 10:37, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

  a lot of "neonazis" are actually more intelligent than you. Van PVDA-stemmers moet je het hebben natuurlijk. Ik ben overigens geen "neonazi skinhead". Ik ben een oude nazi. Zoals die ze in Duitsland hadden in WW2. ;) User:Generaloberst/s 11:31, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

• Question how is this different from Woot? --Ross^lessness 17:52, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
• Against Neutral? Really? Beyond that point, I've seen little except drama from you. --^A_O^R_D^M_O^P_R^I _! ^T 20:22, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
• TROLOLOLOLOLgeneraloberst -- Spiderzed█ 21:38, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
• Against - An embarrassment to my native race. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 22:54, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
• Question - As a sysop, how would you deal with one user using the wiki to text rape another user? ~ _{04:04, 16 March 2012 (UTC)}

  I personally wouldn't take issue with it and just delete the comment when posted on my talk page. If other users do, then it's probably best to make the stuff punishable at vandal banning and maybe build in an ignore button. User:Generaloberst/s 06:10, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

  And no, I've never personally text-raped anyone ingame, before we go that road again. User:Generaloberst/s 06:14, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

  And not on the wiki either. Sigh. User:Generaloberst/s 06:16, March 2012 (UTC)

  That may be the most inadequate reaponse to a genuine question that I've ever seen. Let's face it, Obererst, you don't really want to be a sysop. You've just got some kind of agenda or you're out to prove some point again or you just want checkuser rights. Why don't you just withdraw your bid. You clearly don't have any support here and its just painful to watch you trying to be serious about this. This is only going to end one way and I think you know that. ~ _{07:26, 16 March 2012 (UTC)}

  You're right. It was inadequate i responded to your question in the first place. It was dumb of me to assume you weren't just going to bot it out right from the start without elaborating yourself or giving any form of alternative, and then turn the 'question' into a personal attack again. Now shut up because you have the lowest IQ of all the sysops. Mr.I-made-a-pinata-alone-18-times-just-check-the-screenshots User:Generaloberst/s 09:23, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

  Got an issue? Grab a tissue. I could have pointed out in how many ways your answer was flawed (as Aichon did below) but why bother. Better just to cut to the jib here. You are not sysop material and you haven't been able to prove to anyone here anything to the contrary. Amidst all your rhetoric, all I see is that you are out trying to prove some point. Really, that's all this seems to boil down to. You disagree with the way things are run around here and you're out to "change our ways". Not any desire to help the wiki or the wiki community. No mention of which janitorial tasks you'd be interested in doing. This is a plain old fashion spite-bid. Never in the history of this wiki has a user been promoted under those circumstances. ~ _{04:08, 17 March 2012 (UTC)}

  Your answer actually tells us quite a bit. For one, it tells us that you don't understand the sysop's role, since no part of your answer addresses what a sysop is expected to do on a case. Your suggestion that it be made punishable at VB tells us that you don't believe it already is considered vandalism. Your suggestion for an ignore button tells us that you don't know what the limits of a sysop's power are. Your response to Vapor tells us that you don't deal well with criticism you feel is unwarranted. Some light reading might help out with a few of these issues. —Aichon— 15:40, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

  You're right about the first 2 things appearantly. Though I don't take back what I said to Vapor. What Vapor stated is a personal attack, not criticism. And there is no form of elaboration or alternative in his statement either. User:Generaloberst/s 20:40, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

  Personal attack or not, your response was still not ideal, and your responses here are one of the key things you're judged on during a candidacy. Sysops are constantly under personal attack, yet they need to keep a cool head and remain objective. Your response to his mild (albeit cutting) attacks was somewhat explosive. —Aichon— 23:46, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

  how in the hell is text-rape even an issue? i've asked people about text-rape, and none of them knew what text-rape meant. this is a bullshit policy UDWiki:Administration/Policy_Discussion/Text_Rape. when will more important offensives have a written policy like this? →Son of Sin← 21:37, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

  write a policy against transgenders. if you're a male, you will be banned for pretending to be a female on this wiki. you may only pretend to be a transgender person in-game. →Son of Sin← 21:41, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

  here's a nice link to "back up" the policy against transgenders: Russia: New laws against Transgenders, Bisexuals and Gays —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Son of Sin (talk • contribs) at an unknown time.

  here's a good read, where rape is not always punishable (so why is text-rape punishable at all?): Moroccan Rape Victim Commits Suicide After Marrying Her Attacker —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Son of Sin (talk • contribs) at an unknown time.

  That's a whole lot of ignorant in just a few sentences. However, this isn't the place for your crusade for text-rape. --Kirsty _{Org XIII} ^Alts 22:41, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

  Ober brought up text rape by relying on Yon's rant against the current sysops, which was brought up by this case -- boxy 21:50, 16 March 2012 (BST)

  BTW, that policy you linked to is not official policy, it was never voted on. The sysop team uses it's discretion when judging such thing, which is a good reason not to include morally challenged individuals in the process -- boxy 21:54, 16 March 2012 (BST)

  Nobody said text-rape was an issue. It's pretty common for candidates to be asked how they would handle different situations, and recent topics tend to be popular picks. As boxy said, that policy didn't pass anyway. —Aichon— 23:46, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

• Strong Against - I think Aichon absolutely nailed the shit out of it, and those were my thoughts as well. But I'm surprised no one has yet brought up Oberst's relationship with Cornholioo yet. Oberst's ties with a known serial vandal and sockpuppeteer makes his motivations and impartiality as a sysop very suspect. His butthurt tirade about Fascist Italian does not help, either. How do we know you won't abuse your power to get back at Italian and others you think have slighted you and Corn, Oberst? You wanted to use sysop checkuser powers on F.I. against policy, IIRC. And saying "Yon thinks the current bunch is bad" to show you're impartial doesn't count, considering you haven't proven yourself to be above their level either.--RadicalWhig 19:13, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
• AHHAH HAH HA HA heee HAHAHAH against not gonna touch him he is pure evil. or at least he pertends to role play a nazi which might just be even more retarded than being one in RL--User:Sexualharrison01:53, 17 March 2012

  Defenitely qualified sysops around here User:Generaloberst/s 11:47, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

  but I'm not one not running scumbag. so just like hitler and the rest of the nazi's you failed to achieve your goals yet again. thank you and fuck off.--User:Sexualharrison12:35, 17 March 2012

  And just like a Jew you twist my words. Oh wait, you are a Jew! Now that's even worse. User:Generaloberst/s 16:51, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

  And with that, Oberst's bid crashes in flames like the Hindenburg. ~ _{20:27, 17 March 2012 (UTC)}

  funny how you and corn are the same age.--User:Sexualharrison21:11, 17 March 2012

  Twelve?--RadicalWhig 19:19, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

• Lol at him calling it a vote in the first sentence D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 03:03, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

  lol at you confusing the third sentence with the first.--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 08:50, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

  : ( D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 09:57, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

  i've also noticed you left out your military service record? or was that a lie also? and the "VOTE" continues.

"I did 3 martial arts + work out. I also keep teaching myself new things. I'm 6 foot and 18 years old... A lot of the kids here are e-hard. They are e-hard, I'm hard."

--User:Sexualharrison11:20, 18 March 2012

• AGAINST As everyone else against, especially Aichon.--Akbar 19:56, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Shortround

• Shortround (talk | contribs | UDWiki contribs | vndl data)

Hey guys, I’ve decided to put myself up for the position of system operator. I’d like to take this chance to tell you what I’d do if I was promoted and also get the chance for ever valuable community feedback.

About Shortround

I’ve been around for about 3/4 months and I’ve been trying to help out wherever I can. I deal with a large proportion of bots that come through and also do some other things like cycling of various pages and sorting through suburb news and danger-reports where necessary. Basically just janitorial stuff, although I’ve expressed opinions on things where I think it’s been necessary and where I’ve had a valuable opinion to share. My resume isn’t quite as impressive as some of the current or past sysops here, but in the current climate I think that I’m a viable candidate for sysop, which really gets to the issue of what I’d be doing.

What would I do as Sysop?

As sysop I’d handle all of the meaningless janitorial stuff I’ve already been doing, but with the capacity to actually go through with it. We’ve had a couple of instances recently where bots haven’t been handled immediately and there have been a few move requests and other tasks which have been left standing for a while. If you make me sysop I’ll deal with those things. Why? Because my job is boring and rarely requires me to be doing things so I often browse the web and mess about. This could be a way to change that in to productivity. I’d also fulfil the other functions of a system operator when necessary, but at the moment we don’t have that much to do in the non-janitorial areas of the wiki such as vandal banning. Even while there, I’d take a detached janitorial outlook on the cases wherever I could.

Why would I be a good sysop?

Well, this is really an issue of personal opinion. I know some people like dynamic system operators who make bold statements and do daring stuff, but I think there’s a solid case for the other kind, who enjoy themselves but at the same time deal with a large body of work and have the experience needed to keep the wiki ticking over. That’s the kind of sysop I would want to be. If you think that’s what you would want in a system operator, then vouch for me. If not, you probably shouldn’t. :)

Shortround }.{ My Contributions 19:48, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

• Vouch but no promotion Only because we've, as you noted in the edit summary, got so absolutely little going on. Never a good time to be promoting people when there's nothing going on. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 20:36, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

  Does this mean only that there is a smaller usefulness to it, rather than if more was going on, a larger one? So what's the problem? Only relatively less to do. (We make the same criticism of the objection, "there are too many sysops".)--  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 23:44, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

  Not sure what you mean. We don't need to be giving people access to private information when it's not needed and when we have overpromoted it's always served only to bog down the processing of what tasks there are to do at that time. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 00:04, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

  I mean that neither the absence of much to do nor the presence of too many sysops has to do with merits of a would-be sysop. I'm not sure what the connection between "not much to do" and "access to private information" is given that when we asses giving someone "access to private information" we are talking about their merit or trustworthiness. And I have never remembered anything being bogged down by having too many sysops and/or too little to do. I think people just end up not doing much, which makes having some too-large number of sysops only not very useful, not detrimental. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 00:14, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

  Which would be why I vouched but disagree with promotion. Also worth noting that Misconduct is consensus based and slows down with more sysops. Vandalism can also be from time to time consensus based and when I came back most recently it was most definitely bogged down by an over presence of sysops who seemed to have it in their heads that all decisions there had to have consensus to go forward, something that tends to come from extra sysops butting in when not needed. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 07:34, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

  As I said before, I don't think those 2 areas are too much of an issue at the moment but if they were to become one again, I would only participate when I did indeed have an unconsidered opinion. Other than that I'd most likely defer to more experienced system operators until I had a decisive grip on the case law.--Shortround }.{ My Contributions 09:50, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

  We don't have so many sysops that adding one more would cause a problem in misconduct, and the number of misconduct cases isn't relevant here, and hardly are there many misconduct cases put forth anymore. Also, the slowing down of misconduct cases has more to do with the drama of particular users rather than typically the number of people adding to a case. Vandalism-wise, yeah, but I think that it has more to do with people not realizing that it's not useful to repeat the same opinion over and over (although doing this isn't all that detrimental) and when opinions differ it has more to do with the opinions being different (and some people will still have similar opinions here) rather than how many people have such and such different opinions. So I mean basically it's what people do that's more important than the number of people doing whatever-it-may-be. But I suppose you might say that having more people means having more opinions to wade through, and they are more likely to be different, although some opinions will still inevitably just be "as X". Let's just go with that previous sentence, then: I can't see that adding one more sysop to the mix would offer any significant increase in the opinions needed to be waded through. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 20:35, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

• Abstain I've never dealt with you at all, so I can't say one way or the other. But you seem ok and make an interesting case for sysopship. But Karek is right -- there isn't anything going on worthy of considering much of anybody for promotion. There is plenty of janitorial work that doesn't need special access to do. Personally, I think that if you have that much slack time at work that you're considering this, I'd recommend a good online grad school instead. Asheets 20:51, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
• Abstain - There is some promise in your actions, but we haven't seen much of you, especially given how slowly the place runs right now. Give it a few more months before you re-apply. -- Spiderzed█ 21:52, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
• Against ...i saw this coming when he immediately started kissing ass / sucking up / brown-nosing. →Son of Sin← 22:28, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

  I've not been ass-kissing bro. Just because I do what's best for the wiki and stuff doesn't mean I'm asskissing.--Shortround }.{ My Contributions 01:10, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

• Abstain - While I've not been editing, I've been lurking sufficiently in the background to know that we've got more sysops than we actually need at the moment. I doubt it's going to pick up much, the game as a whole has been winding down for the past couple of years, but it may do so towards the summer. Try again round about then. -- Cheese 22:39, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
• Weak Against - He's done well so far, but I think he needs a bit more experience before being promoted. --^A_O^R_D^M_O^P_R^I _! ^T 22:50, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

  To be fair, I've got experience from (French) wikipedia but mostly only admins stuff and also it's obviously a very different beast to UDwiki. Experience isn't really an issue in my eyes. I see the "too many sysops" argument as being far more compelling for the time being.--Shortround }.{ My Contributions 01:10, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

• Vouch - I think, at this point, a promotion would allow you to continue developing yourself as a member of this wiki. I trust that you, should you be promoted, will be neutral and will continue to be active. It's what this wiki needs. As a last input, I have a question to Spiderzed. Why do you vote "Against - too little activity" when Revenant was put up for re-evaluation, and now abstain, "given how slowly the place runs right now"? That is contradictory. Maybe you have a double agenda? User:Generaloberst/s 22:54, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

  One is a user who has been around for years with little activity, while the other is a user who has been around for less a quarter year with frantic activity. Not comparable at all. Not at all. -- Spiderzed█ 21:47, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

  If you think he hasn't got enough experience then just say so retard. Ugh, you're like Vapor II. User:Generaloberst/s 15:16, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

  I think we haven't seen enough of him, that is all. A couple of more months, with some activity on the opinion pages to get a better insight into his insight of policy would go a long way. -- Spiderzed█ 13:26, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

• Vouch, but as Karek. The way this wiki is now, we're probably better off demoting a few people, mainly the least active ones. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 23:01, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

  I agree with that but that isn't mutually exclusive with promoting new system operators to breath life in to what is at the moment a very stagnant team. If there wasn't work that needed doing, I wouldn't be running.--Shortround }.{ My Contributions 01:10, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

• Despite my mostly lurking these days, I've already seen your name pop up in a few different places, and always in a helpful and intelligent manner. I was actually hoping that, assuming you continued that trend, you'd apply for sysop at some point. Unfortunately, I'm leaning towards thinking that this is just a tad bit too soon, and I'd like to have had the chance to see you in a few more situations. Re-apply in a few months, keep up the good work in the meantime, and you should be a shoe-in for the job. —Aichon— 00:02, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

  The reasons that I applied now rather than at a point down the line are that a) I'm drunk and b) I don't really think I'll be doing anything vastly different from how I do now. I already have a strong conceptual and technical grasp of how the wiki works, I have experience with most of the tools and I would mostly stick to janitorial work of the same nature as what I've been doing. From that standpoint, waiting 2 or 3 more months before applying gives no additional benefit and when we have move requests and such having to wait a few days to be carried out, there's not really a case to be made that there are too many sysops. The point where there are too many sysops is when there are constantly 2+ online and everything is done immediately as soon as it is requested (see: English Wikipedia). We are nowhere that level of need at the moment.--Shortround }.{ My Contributions 01:10, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

  I actually think that the "too many sysops" is an invalid reason to reject a candidate (side note: I thought there used to be some text around here saying that explicitly, but I can't seem to find it). My "too soon" vote is not because of the amount of work around here being low, or the fact that we do have too many sysops, but rather because of my desire to see you get a little more experience around the wiki community. If the 'crats decide to promote you, I'd be cool with it, but I'm leaning slightly in the other direction at the moment. I understand there may be little benefit in making you wait, but I'd like that little benefit anyway. —Aichon— 01:23, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

  I absolutely see where you're coming from, but realistically I don't see what I'll be doing differently in say 2/3 months time. The only thing that I don't have a really solid understanding of at the moment is case precedents for vandalism and (some) misconduct and realistically, that won't change any time soon because of the low influx of cases and the fact that the ones that we get are relatively simplistic. I can't see any way that I'll be a more helpful member of the community in a couple of months, but obviously there could be something somewhat large that I'm missing here.--Shortround }.{ My Contributions 01:33, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

  Vouch - Changing my vote. I hadn't realized things were as bad as some of the others are saying. Everyone always complains about things that don't get done, so I tend to tune it out a bit, but the sorts of lapses being described sound like they're becoming more commonplace and should not be as regular as it sounds like they are. I was honestly tempted (but only for a moment) to become active again around here. —Aichon— 14:59, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

• Super Vouch Sysops for all!--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 01:45, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

  <3 --Shortround }.{ My Contributions 01:48, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

• Vouch - Meets all guidelines for consideration, shows earnest willingness to help the wiki, has spent the time getting to know the place, has previous sysop experience, hasn't done anything stupid yet. Kind of a no brainer IMHO. The idea that there is too little to do on this wiki is kind of invalidated by the fact that so little of the sysop work is being done right now. We're mid-month and only about half of the admin pages have been cycled and it took three sysops to get it that far. There are move requests still pending and last month a bunch of speedy deletions were completely ignored and ended up being cycled by DDR because nobody could be arsed. It goes on. There is plenty to be done here for a fresh, active and experience user willing to take a shot at being sysop. ~ _{06:01, 15 March 2012 (UTC)}

  If you mean DDR's requests they weren't ignored. I left them because he clearly couldn't make up his mind of provide a clear enough guideline to what he wanted deleted. It wasn't worth the extra time for delete something he was personally not 100% about, especially something so harmless that probably shouldn't have been put up by the third party use in the first place. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 07:38, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

  That wasn't really the crux of my comment but yeah that was the one. Someone else put it up and DDR said it's ok to delete all these except the one he voted keep on. No big deal if the pages stay I guess they're just crit 1s with no purpose now or in the future. Nobody even bothered to remove the speedy delete template on each of those pages. ~ _{07:46, 15 March 2012 (UTC)}

  I spelt out which ones could be deleted and which ones I wanted kept. If you're all lazy cunts then I don't care but don't throw the onus back on me. some nerve. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 22:52, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

• Vouch You all should be rolling out the red carpet for this guy, cherish the fact that someone new and seemingly capable would actually bother becoming a sysops here. The argument that there isn't anything to do is blatanly wrong. I'm siding with Vapor here, and I can easily point out to more shit that just isn't being done by the current team:This arbitration case that has been death in the water for weeks, with no one bothering to archive it, Harrison's de-escalation request that still hasn't been processed after a month, the latest recruiment vote that no one has closed off after two weeks etc etc. There's plenty of work to be done, and if he wants to do it, more power to him.

  Also, what happened to this? A month ago certain people were whining for fresh blood, and now all of a sudden we're all good with what have? IMO, Shortround certainly isn't perfect, but everything points out that he'll be a good addition and I don't see any good reason why couldn't give him a fair chance right now, especially considering we do somehow keep someone like Revenant around (nothing from him in a month, what a surprise) at the same time.-- Thadeous Oakley Talk 10:16, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

• Vouch Helpful and enthusiastic. I like what I see.  CrunchyCake  T  ^{Breakfast Club} 21:37, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
• Against for now. You seem too perfect. Give it a few more months and apply again. Assuming you continue your current ways or even slack off some, you would make a great sysop. --Bad Attitude Kirsty _{K.C. R&D d.b.a. Org XIII} 21:52, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

  If you think I'm too perfect I guess I could vandalise some pages or something...? --Shortround }.{ My Contributions 00:16, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

  Not my meaning, you seem like an excellent candidate for sysop. Show some longevity, say 6 months from your first edit and apply again. I will gladly vouch. --Bad Attitude Kirsty _{K.C. R&D d.b.a. Org XIII} 00:43, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

• Vouch - Once actual drama comes up you're gonna be blown out of the water though Shorty. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 22:52, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
• Vouch - Fortune and glory, kid. Fortune and glory. --Paddy Dignam^{IS DEAD} 23:48, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
• Vouch: Yeah, give him the mop and bucket. I've seen enough to tell he's ready to get stuck in, and the fact he has admin experience elsewhere should mean he can be trusted with the tools. ~~ Chief Seagull ~~ ^talk 06:57, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
• Abstain Weak Against Does not know the community well enough yet. please reapply in 6 months and keep changing the title on the spambit pages and I would be happy to support your next bid. again ignore sin, he is a fucking moron.--User:Sexualharrison12:43, 17 March 2012

  also someone who does not play the game regularly can't possibly understand whats going on. with out the game there is no wiki. and updates? what the fuck are those?--User:Sexualharrison11:35, 20 March 2012

  Just because I'm not actively spending half an hour a day running through the motions of a character doesn't mean I'm not up to date with what's going on. I've been following this whole Nazi attempt to take over a largely unoccupied suburb and I have a general idea about the rest of the stuff that's going on. There isn't too much going on in game at the moment that has major impact on the community and when those kinds of situations do, they often tend to hit the VB or Arbies sections of the wiki. As I said I don't see myself as being much more than an administrative sysop so I haven't been too worried about that. If you guys still think it's a massive issue though I'll happily start playing again. I've always wanted to try a PKer so I might give one a go.--Shortround }.{ My Contributions 17:05, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

  coughFODcough ~ _{18:21, 20 March 2012 (UTC)}

• Question Can you give us some info on your ingame experience of UD? Do you regularly play? do you have a style? --Ross^lessness 13:39, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

  I don't really play that much at the moment. Way back when I used to play a dedicated zombie feral but when I got back in to the game a bit more recently I couldn't remember the pass or user name so I made a scout and started doing repairs and building status updates. I haven't really had time to play properly in a month or so though. It's much easier to just log on to the wiki and do some admin than to actually play the game, especially because the wiki makes it look to my boss like I'm actually working and the game itself seems rather more suspect :) I'll probably play a bit more when I get a holiday towards the end of the month or if we get an update. --Shortround }.{ My Contributions 11:20, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

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