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Everything random, I've a r c h i v ed....

wait is this hags page?

fuck you yon! --User:Sexualharrison23:19, 6 July 2012

So satisfying. --Ross^lessness 08:35, 7 July 2012 (BST)

Lub ya 2 harris :) --hagnat 18:38, 18 July 2012 (BST)

right back at ya.--User:Sexualharrison19:05, 18 July 2012

Is this a british thang —The preceding unsigned comment was added by JoshCz (talk • contribs) 13:29, 20 March 2015 (UTC).

Clearly. --Ross less ne s s 19:26, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

STFU ON YOUR OWN TALK PAGE !?!?! (can you tell i'm bored?)--User:Sexualharrison13:56, 21 March 2015

Where else would you do it? --Ross less ne s s 18:58, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

moving stuff

so, i hope you dont mind me moving things around in your new pet project. Its been some loooong time since i last saw something worth contributing here in the wiki that i kind of butted in there. Hope the changes were useful, though --hagnat 18:40, 18 July 2012 (BST)

Comment on my survivors list then you :P. You're one of the people old enough to actually remember them and their impact in the game, I could use more of that and less of "I'm from 2007". --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 21:41, 18 July 2012 (BST)

will do, good sire. Its just a matter of me contributing as much as i can, in the short spasms of contributions i am able to (doing lots of overtime here at work, building new games and shit like that) --hagnat 21:56, 18 July 2012 (BST)

No problem. The only reason its in my namespace is the fact I think its a project that needs a referee. --Ross^WHO????ness 22:17, 18 July 2012 (BST)

Clones

Looks like that same person is getting hard for you too. ;) --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{^{^{^{^{#nerftemplatedsigs}}}}} 23:42, 19 July 2012 (BST)

I Have a Popplisition For you.

Fuck you and your lack of understanding on the correct pluralisation of Ross. --Ross^WHO????ness 12:33, 20 July 2012 (BST)

I do worry about you. Hearing things on a text only website would be strange. --Ross^WHO????ness 21:08, 20 July 2012 (BST)

I was going to be all cool and make your page make a sound by including the BEL character, but apparently the wiki software catches it and displays it as  instead. Drat. —Aich on— 00:25, 21 July 2012 (BST)

The wiki is very stringent on fake characters, there was a time where it was a real problem. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 01:53, 21 July 2012 (BST)

Back In The Flesh

Just thought I'd say, I have returned, and so has my sister, http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/User:Alex_Yamata. We don't have great economy over here, lost power and internet for awhile without the money to get it back. Jerrack 17:18, 22 July 2012 (BST)

So...

tl;dr ...I agree, Q2019 needs to establish an official game guide but not on wiki.
I don't want to discuss Q2019 in your suggestion's voting section. Q2019's game guide should've been developed years ago, and to my knowledge, there was a wiki or talk of a wiki (wiki discussion thread), and no one wanted a wiki like this wiki, so they chose a game guide instead which still lacks vital information (but there's a hidden "tools" page, must be logged in to see it). Anyway, I agree with you; a wiki is better than no wiki because players want/need game guides. But the system operators here are biased and act like U.S. Supreme Court justices. Sysops, moderators and administrators should be neutral and ignore their own personal opinions (no discretion!). So I don't know what a good balance for a wiki should be: moderator-only edits or player edits. I dislike the moderator-only wiki, but the game usually has a forum and in-game chatboxes for players to communicate, which still have to be moderated which requires man-hours. IRC sucks because it's player-moderated which leads to a lot of biased bans. I'm trying to tie this into why this wiki is looked down upon...but why it has been successful (for retrieving game-related information). -- â†’Son of Sinâ† 03:59, 2 August 2012 (BST)

You already have a game guide, it just needs to be, well finished. http://www.quarantine2019.com/game-guide/index.html could be really useful, but when even the 6 main topics don't all have pages, its not only frustrating, its also off putting to new players. So now you have forums. Forums attract a certain kind of person, whereas wikis attract another kind. The ease of a wiki, especially a huge one like this, is you can search for almost anything and find it without having to interact with anyone. Infighting on UDwiki is based off having several moderators, and its fair to say some of them historically have been terrible, grim s, thad etc, but I don't feel thats the case now, at least based off the levels of vandalism, misconduct and general drama we put up with these days. --Ross^WHO????ness 09:02, 2 August 2012 (BST)

If I may be so rude to interupt here: the current management of the wiki is better than I've seen on a lot of other wiki's. The only thing I'm really lacking sometimes are some restrictions, not when it comes to content, but when it comes to format: a lot of group pages are ridiculously empty, messy or consist of a single user starting up his own group, which tends to create some clusterfucks of category pages. I have been cleaning POV descriptions and nonsense out of location pages and I've seen People like Bob Moncrief, Vapor or Ross do some great work as well, but you always have to keep in mind that maintaining a wiki is very time consuming :) My idea? Have the Admin positions be filled by the people behind Q2019 and elect players after a while to Mod positions ;) -- Johnny Twotoes 13:54, 2 August 2012 (BST)

A wild Aichon preemptively answers your questions

Since it's your tradition to ask a question of sysop candidates, I figured I'd go ahead and preemptively answer it for fun. So, in response to any questions along the lines of, "What did you learn from your previous time as sysop?", "What do you think needs to be changed most on the wiki?", or "Why do you want to be a sysop?", my answer is "This place could really use a benevolent dictator." :P —Aich on— 03:18, 10 August 2012 (BST) 1 person likes this comment.

MU on brainstock

I'd link you now, but copy/paste is a pain on this tablet. Look for it at Malton Uprising#An invitation to all of Malton. MU also had a forum but accounts are no longer validated so you won't be able to access any info. Maybe DT or Hibernaculum or another PKer at the time can provide you details. I'll post links to those threads later when I get to a computer if you still need them. ~ _{17:39, 11 August 2012 (UTC)}

You mean it just that thread? --Ross^WHO????ness 18:47, 11 August 2012 (BST)

No, but I beleive that's where DEM attempted to funnel most of the public discussion. I believe there was also a password protected thread on Brainstock where allies could discuss things. There are several backlinks to other areas of discussion in that thread as well. That's the thread in which they acknowledged the MU's manifesto and tried to respond to concerns. Some time later in the year, they made sweeping policy changes. They claimed it wasn't in direct response to MU's manifesto, but it isn't hard to put it all together. Some even claimed that Kristi stalled the policy changes until a time after MU ended so that no credit could be given to MU. ~

_{19:11, 11 August 2012 (UTC)}

Got you. Seemed a bit sparse, I suspected as such. --Ross^WHO????ness 19:59, 11 August 2012 (BST)

There are multiple 50+ page threads of Brainstock and many smaller threads which spawned from the original thread, not to mention the threads discussing the DEM's alt/script policies which actually propelled the MU from a small PKing event to two-and-a-half month campaign. What you have to understand about the MU is that it had its roots in years of slow-burning resentment to various things the DEM did, and when finally someone gave all the resentful parties one single outlet to vent their frustrations, the drama llama fell in love, got married, bought a house with a white picket fence, and had a litter of baby dramallama's. But don't think that reading all those threads will give you any clear idea of what happened - it's all just the same old arguments over and over and over again. You want to know what really went down, ask me for read-only access to the MU forums. -DT

^PK 20:18, 11 August 2012 (BST)

grammer and spelling nazi!

http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3ASexualharrison&action=historysubmit&diff=2020488&oldid=2020484 whoa you work fast! thank you.--User:Sexualharrison18:23, 23 August 2012

Hah, you total Godwin. --Ross^WHO????ness 19:15, 23 August 2012 (BST)

Greetings

Some time back, by CRES Doctor noticed the The Big Prick was beginning to stagnate, leading him to put out a call for individuals interested in helping TBP move forward. I have volunteered my services to help this happen. In my humble opinion, the idea behind the formation of TBP was among the more unique in Malton's history. In its time, it broke up the monotony that was quickly setting in and gave adventurous individuals a chance to try something new. It also helped de-stigmatize people regarding combat revives and make Malton a place where those of dual nature could have a chance to explore their separate agendas. As many of these issues are not as large as they once were, it may seem we have reached a time when Malton no longer needs The Big Prick. I say, it's not all about being needed. Do you still enjoy reviving zombies? Is your first response at a break-in to check for brain rot? Mine is. Being a prick is not a job, it is part of who we are, and though it may not need us in the same way that it once did, with the rise of Apathy and the decline of survivor groups in Malton, the city cannot afford to lose the Big Prick. Accordingly, I have begun reworking some of the format of TBP pages including a retool of the main page and the introduction of and achievement system that will let pricks gain recognition on their own time on their own terms. As a person who still chooses to fly the colors of TBP, I would appreciate your feedback on my talk page or on the TBP forum. Thank you for your time and may your syringes never be blunted. -- Al be rt Sc hw an _{Friday, 31 August 2012}

Aww

You deleted/banned Z040zuz180, even after I nominated it for being archived.

Party pooper. -- TheBardof Old 04:47, 3 September 2012 (BST)

Congrats!

On the successful re-evaluation ;)--Nallan (Talk) 09:17, 7 September 2012 (BST)

Unemplementia

Is there any chance of getting a copy of the code for the overall map? I have a project in mind that is quite big.-- TheBardof Old 04:10, 11 September 2012 (BST)

yeah, just steal it. --I'm not the Ross UDWiki needs, I'm the Ross it deserves. 18:02, 12 September 2012 (BST)

What exactly is the style="" bit for each suburb about? -- TheBardof Old 22:55, 15 September 2012 (BST)

DoHS

It was actually Group 0 at the time. --Papa Moloch 17:57, 12 September 2012 (BST)

Spambat IPs

When you ban spambot IPs, please make sure to uncheck "Block anonymous users only". Anonymous edits are already globally disabled on the wiki, and edits made using user accounts are unaffected by the IP ban when this check mark is set. TL;DR, it takes away the whole effect of the ban and results in "Ze goggles! Zey do nothing!". - Otherwise, keep up the good work and the extra effort. -- Spiderzed â–ˆ 19:22, 19 September 2012 (BST)

Only on IP bans though, username bans it's actually set up to work in reverse and stop account creation via the attached IP and you should be checking box 3 in those cases. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 19:33, 19 September 2012 (BST)

As a quick addition, while Karek is very correct, checking the box to block an IP when setting up a user block will only result in an IP block that lasts for 24 hours (check the IP block log to confirm this fact), so you'll still need to apply an infinite length IP block later on. —Aich on— 20:35, 19 September 2012 (BST)

Thanks, as I usually block through usernames, I'll double check this. we should probably write this down somewhere for all future sops. --I'm not the Ross UDWiki needs, I'm the Ross it deserves. 20:37, 19 September 2012 (BST)

Unused Monroeville cat

Category:South Monreoville

Thought you might be able to find a use for it. If not we should probably delete it. It's unused and unlinked.--Short round }.{ My Contributions 15:30, 20 September 2012 (BST)

Spaulding and spearing for a start. I'll get on it today. --I'm not the Ross UDWiki needs, I'm the Ross it deserves. 15:34, 20 September 2012 (BST)

ze_pussies

so i'm in yagton. how do you want to coordinate? is there a forum you use?--User:Sexualharrison19:22, 2 October 2012

Jensentown. All quiet here. What I'm going to do is do a scout tomorrow, all the way down to becktown, see if I can spot any big groups of the fellows. Here's the easiest place to find me. --I'm not the Ross UDWiki needs, I'm the Ross it deserves. 19:52, 2 October 2012 (BST)

cool well which way should I start sweeping? --User:Sexualharrison21:35, 2 October 2012

Well, Axe got hit in Gatcombeton, Sin said Jensentown, before that. So why not sweep down towards East becktown, at the worst we can meet up there in a day or so. --I'm not the Ross UDWiki needs, I'm the Ross it deserves. 22:53, 2 October 2012 (BST)

Just got this from the revenants. zambah zmazh said "I have not seen the ZP around in almost a week. I did hear something about them possibly being somewhere to the SE." (1 hour and 1 minute ago). Whilst in Jensentown. So somewhere around there may be a good bet. --I'm not the Ross UDWiki needs, I'm the Ross it deserves. 22:56, 2 October 2012 (BST)

Found them! Quarlesbank, focussing on the mall. Grabbing profiles. --I'm not the Ross UDWiki needs, I'm the Ross it deserves. 22:59, 2 October 2012 (BST)

Grabbed a few, didn't manage to snag the ones in the SW, if you fancy scanning those two.--I'm not the Ross UDWiki needs, I'm the Ross it deserves. 23:03, 2 October 2012 (BST)

Sigh. Don't think it's him. (Sadface) --I'm not the Ross UDWiki needs, I'm the Ross it deserves. 23:07, 2 October 2012 (BST)

It's not him, if you mean cornhokio. --Akbar 01:06, 3 October 2012 (BST)

can my zombie help? A ZOMBIE ANT 02:47, 3 October 2012 (BST)

if you want. I'll post up the 15 ID's I've collected so far. Even if it isn't corn, I'd like to catch all 32, try and get some suspicious screenies and the like.--I'm not the Ross UDWiki needs, I'm the Ross it deserves. 09:35, 3 October 2012 (BST)

just poked you.. shit there are a lot of pinatas up here!!!--User:Sexualharrison04:24, 4 October 2012

i got eaten. stick me at Quarlesbank [28,5]--User:Sexualharrison00:38, 6 October 2012

Thanks. I'll get fully Ap'd and then get myself back in the game. --I'm not the Ross UDWiki needs, I'm the Ross it deserves. 09:50, 4 October 2012 (BST)

CCPD got hit from what I've heard. Shame, that. Ruined a perfectly good Org XIII vacation. If they strike where we are again, I'm honestly gonna believe we're being followed. <_< --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{^{^{^{^{#nerftemplatedsigs}}}}} 00:47, 7 October 2012 (BST)

Who are these guys? One of them just broke in into Fabian. -- AHLG T G THE END IS NIGH! 17:41, 8 October 2012 (BST)

okay just did some scaning and found some in calvert mall. anyone wanna help me clear them out?--User:Sexualharrison13:31, 14 October 2012

http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=2064025
http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=2061799
http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=2060388
fixed a 24ap repair in the mall.--User:Sexualharrison23:51, 15 October 2012

Thanks

Hey thanks for setting up that page for me, I was actually about to delete this account because my suggestion was shot down hah I dont think anyone liked it, plus i didn't really look into it, but thanks again man.

shnotazis

a little bird passed this on to me. http://iamscott.net/1351952543901.html --User:Sexualharrison21:48, 3 November 2012

All active, now with an amazing new retarded group tag! Thank god. --Ross Less Ness ^{Enter Stranger...} 21:54, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

You fire your pistol at Iron Guard for 5 damage. Their flak jacket absorbs 1 point of that damage. They die. OOOPS. --Ross Less Ness ^{Enter Stranger...} 22:00, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

5th of November page

I've heard you're quite the expert on texts like these, I'm trying to make the page a bit more NPOV. I still have to get the speech out of there, but is the rest coming along a bit? Thanks in advance for any advice you can give a rookie like me. PB&J 23:14, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Hey, it got people on the move and with the current player activity in the city, I'm glad to see about 150-200 people in the same suburb. But you're probably right, I'll screen as much as I can and finish it up afterwards. Thanks! PB&J 23:25, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

You are inside the Blackmore Building. The NecroTech logo is set in the wall behind the front desk, and doors open onto powered-down computer rooms and laboratories. Thick trails of dried blood run across the walls and floor, smeared over by fresher splashes. The doors to the street have been secured. There is a crowd of 71 survivors gathered here. [list names]

The building has been decorated with a fire-damaged painting, a clay figurine, two carved pumpkins and a glass globe.

Somebody has spraypainted RIP winka, Blackmore is our gift to you onto a wall.

There is a horde of thirty-three other zombies here. Since your last turn:

You heard a loud groaning from very close by. (40 minutes ago) You heard a loud bellowing from very close by. (40 minutes ago) A zombie destroyed the tree. (39 minutes ago) A figure in a vampire mask said "Just smile and wave, boys...smile and wave." (34 minutes ago) Mac knife killed a zombie with a pistol. (28 minutes ago) You heard a loud bellowing from very close by. (25 minutes ago) JethLM said "We outnumber them more than 2 to 1 everyone, hold that line!" (25 minutes ago) A figure in a robot mask said "Shut the door! Do you think I wanna pay to heat the whole stinkin world?" (23 minutes ago) Codename 'V installed a generator in the building. (21 minutes ago) You heard a loud groaning from very close by. (21 minutes ago) A zombie destroyed the generator. (19 minutes ago) A zombie killed Firehound450. (16 minutes ago) A figure in a demon mask injected a zombie with a syringe and it slumped to the floor. (16 minutes ago) Abe Brown killed a zombie with a pistol. (15 minutes ago) A figure in a skull mask killed Finny McGee with a pistol. (12 minutes ago) A zombie killed Codename 'V. (8 minutes ago) A figure in a black balaclava said "S'not about winning or losing, but being here and seeing things through!" (1 minute ago) Possible actions:

Sheer Brilliance

You are inside the Blackmore Building. The NecroTech logo is set in the wall behind the front desk, and doors open onto powered-down computer rooms and laboratories. Thick trails of dried blood run across the walls and floor, smeared over by fresher splashes. The doors to the street have been secured. There is a crowd of 52 survivors gathered here. [list names]

The building has been decorated with a fire-damaged painting, a clay figurine, two carved pumpkins and a glass globe.

Somebody has spraypainted RIP winka, Blackmore is our gift to you onto a wall.

There is a horde of 51 other zombies here. Since your last turn:

Surfcop said "HAHA The fifth of November is over. We win." (23 minutes ago)

^amazing A ZOMBIE ANT 11:22, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Indeed. --Ross Less Ness ^{Enter Stranger...} 11:23, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

indeed. A ZOMBIE ANT 11:42, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Yisselda Icebytch said "Dont bother dumping bodies, save ap for revives" (2 hours and 13 minutes ago)

sazjnk said "we won you zombie bastards! burn in hell!!!!!!!!!!" (18 minutes ago)

Travis Vercetty said "So zeds, you failed badly on 5th, hm? Take your angry towards us now! Better late than never. Our duty is done here." (53 minutes ago)

Travis Vercetty said "Survivors that died, please step outside. Go to revive point. We may hit you when attacking the zombies! Please, attack the other zeds and evacuate." (32 minutes ago)

Revive policies

AFAIK all DEM related groups have a no Combat Revive-policy, mainly because revived zed turn PKer all too often (which is an enemy that's far harder to fight), as well as DHPD, ACC and KT I think. The best way to find out is to take a look at survivor group pages, which often display it. You can try and discuss it, but the last discussion on that topic ended with the disaster we all witnessed... Give it your best shot, although I'm not sure how much longer I'll remain on this side of the front. PB&J 17:58, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Wow. Thats a lot of people. Can I start with you though? Mind having a discussion here with me? Can you sum up roughly your arguments for a no revive policy? --Ross Less Ness ^{Enter Stranger...} 18:17, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

The only problem I can think of is that zed switch all too easy with PKer mode. And even considering that, I'm all for it, when the situation permits. PB&J 18:25, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Ok. Thats a start. Can I ask a simple question. Under what circumstances would you shoot a zombie? --Ross Less Ness ^{Enter Stranger...} 18:28, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

When it looks at me as if it wants to eat me...

No, seriously: when I deem it preferable, which switches from situation to situation. If there are a lot of allies near me and we're in a place where revives are rare: definitely shoot. If we're in a lit NT and the zed arrive en mass: CR the shit out of them. PB&J 18:32, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Ok. If a zombie is likely to eat you, you shoot it. Where would you shoot a zombie. Inside? Outside? In a ruin? --Ross Less Ness ^{Enter Stranger...} 18:34, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Inside in case needed (safehouse, low lvl survivors there, etc), outside: never (counterproductive), in ruins: when I plan on cleaning them (if I want to HIPS, I look for an empty one). PB&J 18:44, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Makes sense. So what your saying is, in general, you shoot zombies to remove them from a building. Is that a fair reflection? --Ross Less Ness ^{Enter Stranger...} 18:48, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

While I accept trenchcoaters as being nothing more or less than unoriginal role players, I never shoot a zed if it doesn't stand in my way, coming to think of it :) So yes, a pretty narrow, but fair reflection. PB&J 21:11, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Right. So we both have basically the same approach. I want to clear zombies out of a building, and so do you. Our only difference is the tool we use to do this. Your fear of the revive issue is that living zombies are likely to cause more damage than zombies. Correct? --Ross Less Ness ^{Enter Stranger...} 21:41, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm not afraid to revive, it's just my group's policy, and that's their main argument (and the only one I agree with afaik) PB&J 21:47, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

O.K. What i'm going to do is ask about some specific circumstances. Would you be willing to revive, A) A level 1 zombie. B) A fully levelled zombie with no human skills and no stored XP. C) A zombie who's group affiliation was (Dual Nature) D) A zombie inside a building who went Mhrr?--Ross Less Ness ^{Enter Stranger...} 22:04, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

A) No, it's like shooting a level 1 survivor.

B) Yes, he's experienced enough to jump AND it's combat-effective (if he doesn't have 10k Exp stacked up).

C) Yes, Dual Nature are like the pepper in a very bland soup: they can go really good, or really bad. Fun either way. (the Russian Roulette effect I guess).

D) Yes. Mrh? is Mrh?, and demanding the use of RPs before you revive is just too bureaucratic for me. PB&J 22:11, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Excellent. Now turn it around. You've got a zombie, so you know this one. What would you do if your zombie was in blackmore on the 5th, where 30 zombies were inside and the doors were wide open if you were combat revived? --Ross Less Ness ^{Enter Stranger...} 22:16, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Personally? I'd have a chat, maybe bite someone via the text command and jump. Dead Culting is just bad karma. PB&J 22:17, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

url hacks are fine, but death culting is bad karma? strange. Apart from that, that's exactly what I would do. But why would you do that? --Ross Less Ness ^{Enter Stranger...} 22:18, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Because it's fun. The url hack is fine, because it fits the character: when I'm a zed, I always behave like a zed, even when I'm alive. My survivor will never zed spy either, in the end. Death culting, PKing, it's what blurred the lines between the two factions (along with some game changes, but I don't want to start a discussion on that). PB&J 22:28, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Neither do I. The reason I would do it, is because in the circumstances, throwing myself out of the window and coming back inside is the best, most efficient way of killing survivors. Which brings me to my next question. Why are PKers worse than zombies? --Ross Less Ness ^{Enter Stranger...} 22:31, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

They don't fight with in the open, you can't stop them with barricades and combat revives aren't even an option. That eliminates all efficient ways to actually stop a zombie, and thus creates confusion and a lack of survivor pride. I'm not saying they are worse people, since some PKers (and groups) have an acceptable playing style, they're just harder to fight and can kill easier. PB&J 22:39, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Right. I'm actually going to make some points before we move on.

1. As you yourself have suggested there are specific circumstances when reviving in a combat situation is a sensible approach. This is my first issue with the no revives policy. It's inflexibility is a huge disadvantage for the groups involved.

2. I like maths. This is a huge thing for me. On my own I can clear 4 rotters from a necrotech, power and repair the place, grand total 43ap, expending 4 syringes in the process. Without needles the same process would take (approx) 91ap and expend 24 shotgun shells, (not including reloading). Saying my 4 rotters all come back as PKers I've still got enough AP to revive all of their victims before I expend more AP than you have.

3. I've been combat reviving zombies for years, and the number who have come after me is minuscule. A revived zombie with an axe is less dangerous than a zombie using his claws. A rotter who has just been combat revived is highly unlikely to be covered in guns. He's a career zombie, with brain rot. He's really not expecting that many revives. Revived zombies are more likely to target gennies and try and create pinatas than go after you. Or, like both you and me, throw ourselves off a building.

4. Combat reviving works on another level that is often overlooked. A revived zombie hardly ever stays outside a building when dumped. The AP's focussed on destroying cades are reduced. Read this for a randomly wordy justification.

Discuss. ;) --Ross Less Ness ^{Enter Stranger...} 22:59, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

1. I agree and I've been advocating looser CR policies ever since I developed some insight in the matter.

2. True, not much to discuss. The main problem being that these guys also kill (fueled) generators and that, as I said earlier, they blur the line between "your friends" and "the enemy". A zed is quite easy to recognize, PKers are not. Consequence: it is far easier to target zed than to target PKers. Everyone present in a building will kill a zed, cause you know, brain-eating and all that. But you'll have to communicate to the others that that one guy who came in a couple hours back is a PKer, and just shouting it in the room doesn't always cut it.

3. I agree once more.

4. I never thought about that actually, since being a survivor is mostly about focussing all your efforts into one purpose or location... Have you tested this hypothesis? PB&J 23:10, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Yeah. Have4croft (in the link) was the only time Ive seen it tried group wise. But on an individual basis I do it all the time. I like scanning zombies anyway, so if I see a group of level 4 or 5 zombies I'll CR the lot of them. Just so they can go and get flak jackets. Aren't I nice? Plus that way, any passing zombies carry on. A group of 5 zombies is the start of something, a pile of corpses is nothing. --Ross Less Ness ^{Enter Stranger...} 23:31, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

I can't help myself. Having played survivor, PKer, death cultist and rotter, I find when playing a zombie CRs are the most annoying thing survivors can do. When I'm death culting, I love them. My issue isn't the DEM or anyone else having a no CR policy, the one survivor group I'm in has one (although it's based on the idea zombies want to be zombies and it's mean to revive them). My problem is that no one stopped to think a siege situation in Ridleybank might be different than kicking a few zombies out of an building in a normal suburb. The inability of a group to change their tactics based on the situation is going to end poorly. The RRF only allows the GC to attack or do anything as survivors. There was no mall meaning PKers and death cultist would be out of ammo after a few days (plus they are someone else for the horde to eat). Once the cades are gone, it's no harder for a zombie to enter than a PKer. I agree in many situations CRing can cause more problems than it solves. A siege to hold one building isn't one of those situations. However, I suspect the blame lays in the leadership of the groups that were present, you just happen to be the one here, Johnny. :P --

_{Org XIII} ^Alts 23:22, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks K. I'm amazed that such large groups have such an inflexible approach. --Ross Less Ness ^{Enter Stranger...} 23:25, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Once as a new guy I combat revived someone and they came straight after me, made a big humiliating speech and executed me in front of everyone. I ran away embarrassed and never combat revived again ;_; A ZOMBIE ANT 00:57, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

User:Linkthewindow/Rants A ZOMBIE ANT 05:13, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Request...

Could I get your opinion on this? Not the numerous typos, grammar error and misspellings but the content in general?-- _{Org XIII} ^Alts 03:55, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

A second time? --

_{Org XIII} ^Alts 18:05, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Regarding examples, do you think it sufficient to just link those certain keywords that might require more explanation? Also, I'm having difficulty coming up with an example of when it would be better to dump before cading. I'm weighing barricades as more useful since they effect all zombies, since the revive negates ?rise. Thanks. --

_{Org XIII} ^Alts 22:33, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm with you on the higher than VSB and had considered mentioning that. I just couldn't think of a time it would be beneficial with cades VSB or less. --

_{Org XIII} ^Alts 23:16, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Project1

Hello again.

As I'm sure you've noticed, I've been working on a region of my own for a future upgrade? to Urban Dead.

Click me and you shall be rewarded.

I'm more often than not wondering if I've bitten off more than I can chew. With 400k-600k locations that have an actual unique-ish name to them, FML.

If you have any advice or suggestions for my project or even feels of condolences or mockery, by all means, lump 'em on me. The latter two of which I deserve. Christ, I feel sorry for Kevan for having to do this as well.

Cheers! -- TheBardof Old 22:49, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

He never did! He used random name generation! I'd say, plan out how it links up on paper first. --Ross Less Ness ^{Enter Stranger...} 22:51, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Dang. I'm actually planning a lot of it out, well, at least the layout. I wing it as I go along, making small changes and putting in buildings that I didn't think of before. It's mind-boggling work. -- TheBardof Old 00:27, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

It is. Also, I.m never going to get mine done. So feel free to steal suburbs if it helps. --Ross Less Ness ^{Enter Stranger...} 12:43, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm fine, for now. Personally, I'd just like to see if I could get this all done by the end of the year. Sort of a testament to my perseverance, as in, if I could do this in two months, imagine what I could do with four? lol..-- TheBardof Old 15:07, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Holy hell. Just finished 9 suburbs! Take a look if you want. I'm excited about this. Anything is possible! -- TheBardof Old 02:30, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

SWEET! --Ross Less Ness ^{Enter Stranger...} 16:33, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

I wanted to run something by you. Is it logical to include trails as a location in the maps I'm making? I know it's my project and my choice, but I can't help but think that I'm overthinking this. Roads and railways I can understand, but trails? -- TheBardof Old 01:46, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Hey, Goatfucker

Actually, I was thinking of the scene in the first episode shortly after he breaks the tv. While i'm not sure I agree about how normal he is sober, that being the episode where he sobers up for Lent (a first in many years) I still say his usual state strikes me as far closer to lobotimization than mere drunkness. However with your other examples being of Jack's vugar nature (that is unless you're going to suggest his wet tshirt fantasy ends much more tamely than I see any reason to suspect), and how it was handled if I may I believe your missing my point. It's not that the series was vulgar, but the character. That is while i've seen productions about Genghis that didn't explicitly show me violence, he lead a violent life. So if you based a character off of him I would expect I could passingly broach the subject of violence, even a notably unpleasant form of it such as fratricide, which I believe there were at least rumors of concerning G, or even your own depraved fantasies (that I most definitely don't share about Julia Chen)--Adam Garou 20:50, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Ah, Chen. I think that the characters defining trait is his drunkeness, whereas you thing its a general vulgarity. Got you. --Ross Less Ness ^{Enter Stranger...} 22:55, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Is this true Ross, do you engage in intimate relations with goats? A ZOMBIE ANT 00:42, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Not goats. I'm no slut. --Ross Less Ness ^{Enter Stranger...} 00:52, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

One beard is enough eh? A ZOMBIE ANT 01:27, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

And you wonder why the slashfic persists? ~

_{01:53, 11 November 2012 (UTC)}

I'm kinda glad I wasn't the only one thinking that. —Aich on— 04:51, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

IRC

Are you likely to be on IRC at all in the near future? I wanted to ask you about something. Gordon 22:18, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

I can be. Where? --Ross Less Ness ^{Enter Stranger...} 22:19, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm in #udwiki at the moment, or at least will be again in 5 minutes after I've let the dogs out. Gordon 22:20, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

who who?--User:Sexualharrison06:08, 13 November 2012

These are the kind of comments we keep Harrison around for. --Ross Less Ness ^{Enter Stranger...} 09:39, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Amazing. A ZOMBIE ANT 12:04, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Happy Birthday

Now stop wiki-ing and get sloshed. ~ _{00:24, 20 November 2012 (UTC)}

I'm home now, the day is over. After a 2 day rossbridge festival and an evening mopping up women who have exhausted their own self esteem it's time I collapsed like this. ymmmmmmmmmmmmoyrt;mj --Ross Less Ness ^{Enter Stranger...} 00:29, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Beautiful. So beautiful. A ZOMBIE ANT 01:02, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

I gain all my self respect from ddr's comments. --Ross Less Ness ^{Enter Stranger...} 01:10, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations! Remember not to edit the wiki while drunk... or was it sober? I'm never sure which one yields the best results... PB&J 08:36, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

I feel its a perfect mix of the two. Also, rossy, I just saw this little thing "Go, apply now. I'd let practically anyone in." Hugs and kisses.--SA 09:33, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Cade Templates

These are the ones I have so far. They're a bit rough, and I only created the EHB text templates the examples need so far, just to show basic functionality. Any suggestions? PB&J 21:10, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Firstly, don't even mention the uniform bp. It's out of date, unmaintained and contradictory to the more flexible barricade plans. Next, According to the Molebank Barricade Plan, this building should be kept at EHB, making it only accessible to those with freerunning. Would probably be a clearer sentence. Thirdly, would you want a standalone template, or a simple sentence inclusion in the normal page paragraphs. --Ross Less Ness ^{Enter Stranger...} 03:22, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank god, that is probably the best news I've heard concerning the entire project! (about the UBP) I'm thinking of a template that would fit right below the status report at the top of the page. Right now, the barricade advice can be found anywhere in a chaos of text and history.

Also, I got a bit sidetracked and this kind of just happened: User:Peralta/RandomStub

PB&J 04:05, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Thats bootiful. But make the header the same colour as featured articles voting template. --Ross Less Ness ^{Enter Stranger...} 12:58, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Message for you

over on DSS. --BOSCH 15:29, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

The Hell?

So despite all the talk on keeping entry point cades VSB for newbies and hunting death cultists for greater humanity's good, and the Survivor tags and MPDG templates, Barricade Policy Enforcement aren't a Survivor Group? They're from The Dead? So twisted it's almost funny. Why don't some people be honest and label their groups for what they actually do? Anyway, thanks for letting me know. -- FOXLION 21:20, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Probably because it was made as a joke in that the best way to enforce the Barricade Policies in an area are to kill people not in your group who always seem to over barricade. They're a group made intentionally made to kill survivors and that "frustration" is their "justification" --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 22:45, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Just so you know

Right now I hate you for talking me into running for 'crat. —Aich on— 05:25, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Misleading headers

Creature of Havoc. I am fairly surprised to meet a fellow disciple of Livingstone&Jackson who knows the meaning of turning to 400. -- Spiderzed â–ˆ 02:26, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

seems obvious, plus a recently failed kick-started documentary was named the same thing. --Ross less ne s s 03:51, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

SA's

It looks better grey, tbh.--SA 01:00, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

January 21st

It's in about 2 weeks now, and you have leaked some hints that you don't plan to run again. What's the status on that decision? -- Spiderzed â–ˆ 14:36, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

and i'm turning 40. --User:Sexualharrison13:26, 6 January 2013

About that awesome SA guy (who has his own section on my talk page, I'll add)

As much as I <3 SA, there's no way I could support his promotion right now. He maybe has collectively one serious vouch on his bid if you put together all the joking ones, and given how untrustworthy with the buttons he proved himself to be when he decided it'd be fun to go out by deleting as many admin pages as possible, I'd be negligent if I let him in again before he had ample time to re-earn that trust. I.e. Quick! Resign while you can and get out with everyone loving you while I play the bad cop! —Aich on— 07:11, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Side note in response to SA's edit comment: it's not idolization, since that would suggest it was unjustified. You were one of the first people on the wiki to stop by my talk page, and you've consistently been friendly, helpful, and pleasant to work with. Even when you were destroying the wiki. ;) —Aich on— 16:03, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

I told you guys, it wasn't destruction, it was training Yon!--SA 02:07, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

i wonder if corny will be forced to move into one of these.

poetic justice :P --User:Sexualharrison13:27, 6 January 2013

I hear he's a big fan of ghettos. Also, is "Scum Village" the official title? Because I want to shake that PR man by the hand. --Ross less ne s s 16:24, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Here's the article from Dutch newspaper Parool. The Dutch article speaks simply of "caravan", to which the closest English approximation would be "trailer park". "Scum village" seems to be an invention of the British press, but then again I didn't really dig for other Dutch articles. -- Spiderzed â–ˆ 17:32, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

I FOOKING ATE PIKEIES!--User:Sexualharrison22:03, 6 January 2013

This is not a bribe. It is simply Charles. He's much better than Nick. 04:41, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

So godddamn true. --Ross less ne s s 16:38, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

It is also a bribe.

17:12, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

tiny

--Ross less ne s s 20:41, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for the quick deletion and stuff. Also, I love your userpage! It's so nicely laid out and colorful! Did you design it yourself? ^{^}Quinnr^{^} 00:41, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Like most stuff around here the code was stolen from someone else's page, then a few templates were stolen from somewhere else and so on, it's mostly just mucking around. It's the best way to learn. Feel free to steal anything you like the look of. Of course, the person with the best user page is User:A Helpful Little Gnome. --Ross less ne s s 00:51, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Harumph. —Aich on— 04:23, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Your page is very nice, too, Aichon :P In fact, all of the design here is really high quality! ~Quinnr^W! 04:53, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Mine used to be deliberately confusing and muddled because I hoped to keep people away. :3 --SA 05:36, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Mine is barebones cause I know within a week no one will care what I've done here, whether I put it there or not ;) A ZOMBIE ANT 01:15, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

CoL

Wanna make the Council of Losers. You can be co-founder. Down? A ZOMBIE ANT 22:31, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Probably. --Ross less ne s s 20:25, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

*watches the page* —Aich on— 20:32, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Story behind signature?

So Ross]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness|less]][[User:Rosslessness/Safehouse_Hatred|ne]][[Monroeville Many|s]][[Location Page Building Toolkit|s what is the deal with your signature? The longer the better or something in line with this? I ask, becuase I almost go postal after looking at some diffs with your comments: 600+ characters long signature FTW (especially with one word comment)! I'm sure you know how to use sub-page for signature, so it is even more interesting. --Labla 16:03, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Less template calls.--SA 17:06, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

What SA says. Template calls put strain on the server, including templates from templated signatures. This gets especially noticeable on pages where a lot of and/or big templates get called, such as long-running talk pages. By subst'ing the signature, you cut out the template call and so make it less taxing on the server, making pages faster to load and lessening the risk of pages breaking. -- Spiderzed â–ˆ 17:19, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

You may have noticed that I give minus fucks about this because I'm an asshole (templated sig nested further templates inside).

19:17, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

^Oh lordy me too. Mis and I single handedly broke pages back in the day. But seriously, I prefer to strain the server than my brain. A ZOMBIE ANT 20:22, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

ditto. fuck the server.--User:Sexualharrison00:50, 4 March 2013

Hell, I was the one who enabled the two of you to break the server with those image sigs after I made that one experimental template that you both used. Also, +1 for people who prefer templated sigs, despite knowing better. —Aich on— 04:42, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

I like the templated version, despite the calling issue, because if I have a whim to advertise something, I can edit my sig page and a link will suddenly appear on the nine zatrillion pages I've signed on the wiki. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 07:11, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Grim bitched about it once, so I stopped templating it. true, if dull. --Ross less ne s s 16:51, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Still better than {{goonsig}}. (Also, +1 for image sigs). ~

_{18:15, 4 March 2013 (UTC)}

Fuck you, I love the goonsig. >:I --SA 01:22, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Was there anything grim didn't bitch about? A ZOMBIE ANT 20:46, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Grim. --Ross less ne s s 20:49, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

"suddenly"? Take a look at the Job Queue next time you change your sig. ;) —Aich on— 03:28, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Very Old Character Looking to Play UD Again

Very Old Character Looking to Play Again

Hello, my name is now Mikhail1979, but I used to be MikhailA, director of Lejnair Corp. and what not. It's been six years, but I suddenly have the itch to play again. Unfortuantely, I have since lost my passwords to my wiki account as well at the four characters I had in the game. I'm hoping you or some of the other sysops or even Kevan could help me out with this. I just would like to play again, for old times sake. If you can help, just let me know. I'll even provide necessary info if needed. Thanks!--Mikhail1979 22:07, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

-I, unfortunately, did not assign an email to my urban dead account at the time that I created it. So, despite all my attempts at remembering it, I can't seem to access that account. I will also ask Kevan about this, but if you have another method to access my old account, just let me know. I appreciate the advice.--Mikhail1979 23:06, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Setting up a group

Hey, I read your wiki page and was interested in some advice. I'm trying to start up a cultist group called NWO in Dulston but can't seem to gather any recruits. I'm currently trying in game recruiting to see how successful that'll be. Seems like UD has died down a bit for some reason. Thanks CyberOpposition 01:33, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

If you would be so kind...

Please post a dumbwit of our interview on the Late Night TV Crue page. You're the bestest! -- 15:02, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Check out my Suggestion Again

I have made some small changes to my suggestion (Experience Gain for Defiling Graffiti). Could you look at it again? Thank you. Lpha 18:52, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

all my life

All my life, I've been incomplete, searching. Today I realised what it was. I was searching for someone who enjoyed inappropriate female abduction/slavery jokes as much as I do...

Thank u A ZOMBIE ANT 08:08, 4 April 2013 (BST)

You're invited!

	mmmm juicy brains
	Aha! Oh-hohoho.

-.- 02:12, 29 April 2013 (BST)

Your generic appeal does little to pique my interest. Condolences. --Ross less ne s s 07:23, 29 April 2013 (BST)

lol generic? ok. -.- 16:23, 29 April 2013 (BST)

The post above wasn't supposed to be used to fuel an argument. If you took that silly image personally ross, I'm sorry. -.- 07:41, 22 May 2013 (BST)

Everyone is very pset about that giant middle finger I posted on your talk page! Well, I removed it for you. Don't know what else to say. -.- 07:50, 15 September 2013 (BST)

Congrats!

Also, hop on IRC when you get the chance. I wanted to talk to you about fanfiction or something. I'll be around for a few hours now, and then again for most of the afternoon in the Americas tomorrow. —Aich on— 02:07, 19 May 2013 (BST)

sucker! I can't believe you retook the crat hat.--User:Sexualharrison05:46, 19 May 2013

â†‘ Agreed, though I'm not sure if it's of the vacuum or candy variety. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 11:00, 19 May 2013 (BST)

17:51, 19 May 2013 (BST)

Now it's a party. Where's this "ICR" thing you speak of? --Ross less ne s s 18:26, 19 May 2013 (BST)

#udwiki channel. Or actually, I have some pretty racy stuff to discuss, so probably PMs instead. —Aich on— 19:26, 19 May 2013 (BST)

Sending you an e-mail in a sec. —Aich on— 05:14, 23 May 2013 (BST)

Mayor Haggar

He will be due tomorrow. Thoughts? -- Spiderzed â–ˆ 20:20, 28 May 2013 (BST)

He'll be due again in four days. Clear criteria fail, along with no promises to ramp up activity at all. Community review seems to be mixed, surprisingly. Thoughts? -- Spiderzed â–ˆ 22:58, 24 June 2013 (BST)

7th Recon Squad

Little comment on this: the only real difference between the first three and the last one is that it has a template with an oversized image in it. Are you actually serious about it having content, trolling or trying to prove a yet unclear point? PB&J 03:15, 23 June 2013 (BST)

Because I like to protect all content. There's no need to delete this stuff at all. In addition, what crit did you think these came under on speedy deletion. There is content here. Just because you don't think it's good enough doesn't mean we should delete it for deletions sake.

Content wise they've got more than many more high profile groups, and historicalness is no reason for deletion. We removed crit 12 for that very reason. --Ross less ne s s 15:51, 23 June 2013 (BST)

And what crit are you nominating them for deletion under? --Ross less ne s s 15:55, 23 June 2013 (BST)

Dear god, how long until your next mental breakdown? --Jerk 19:20, 23 June 2013 (BST)

I've actually been quite good recently, I haven't had a proper breakdown since about September 2011. If I remember correctly I was up for my first re-evaluation, and I was worried that since I done nothing In my first term as a sysop the community would have requested a demotion. It got so bad that I decided the only way I could protect myself from the constant barrage of abuse was to step down just before my enforced demotion. It was crazy. But thanks for your concern. --Ross less ne s s 21:49, 23 June 2013 (BST)

"No Content: The page contains no more than a line or two of content that cannot clearly be expanded, consists of random or incoherent content, or is duplicated elsewhere to no purpose." This is untrue of all your nominations. --Ross less ne s s 15:57, 23 June 2013 (BST)

Crits are only required for speedy and scheduled deletions. Anything else can be nominated for regular deletion for any reason, which is why the voting process is in place. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 19:47, 23 June 2013 (BST)

Sorry Bob, should haver been clearer. I was trying to make two points at the same time and failing at both. They shouldn't have been nominated under speedy deletions because they do possess content. In terms of actual deletions I don't think we should be deleting content at all, I should have said Justification, not crit. --Ross less ne s s 21:49, 23 June 2013 (BST)

OK, that makes more sense. Thanks! Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 02:38, 24 June 2013 (BST)

Acorn

Chain him quickly to his rock for 8 more months before he can get a chance to change his mind? -- Spiderzed â–ˆ 22:10, 27 June 2013 (BST)

The Ross signal appears on the night sky

Crat election has ended in a tie. Now we need an uninvolved crat to decide UDWiki's Next Top Bureaucrat. I wonder who this uninvolved crat may be. -- Spiderzed â–ˆ 12:50, 1 September 2013 (BST)

They don't technically need to be uninvolved. At this point, he basically just needs to cast his vote since he didn't before. —Aich on— 14:57, 1 September 2013 (BST)

I mean "uninvolved" as in "not being the one to be put up for vote". Not as in "not having voted yet". -- Spiderzed â–ˆ 19:28, 1 September 2013 (BST)

So what would happen if both seats came up at the same time? Could he not do it then? —Aich on— 21:52, 1 September 2013 (BST)

SZ Re-Eval

Any thoughts? Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 00:51, 10 September 2013 (BST)

Oh yes

You're quite welcome. I figured that this

Wouldn't offend you anyway. -.- 23:50, 15 September 2013 (BST)

You left us two months ago?

Yay for different timestamp formats. Also, I am glad that you're finally able to take the break from it all that you've been wanting to take. I know you've been talking about it for...well, years at this point, and you've definitely earned it. Enjoy the rest. —Aich on— 23:05, 8 October 2013 (BST)

aww but who will kill nazis with me?--User:Sexualharrison06:25, 9 October 2013

Goodnight, sweet prince. --

^{FoD PK Praise Rando!}07:10, 9 October 2013 (BST)

He'll relapse. I give it until February. By 2017, this wiki will be totally depopulated, and sexualharrison and I will be the crats, and spambots will be the sysops, and Ross will still be here, checking recent changes, reading accounts of battles fought a decade ago, and making suggestions that Kevan will totally read some day. --VVV^RPMBG 07:40, 9 October 2013 (BST)

All this is true. I'll be back for Nazi hunting someday, I've just got to go update another wiki, coordinate a closed beta test and not go insane. --Ross less ne s s 07:42, 9 October 2013 (BST)

can you at least let me know what wiki? does it need a nice friendly dependable troll?--User:Sexualharrison14:12, 9 October 2013

This is all a ploy to railroad me into running for crat, because no one else is left who is wrong enough in their head. -- Spiderzed â–ˆ 23:12, 9 October 2013 (BST)

You're just now catching on? —Aich on— 04:23, 10 October 2013 (BST)

Likewise, SZ, I thought it was obvious. --Ross less ne s s 13:45, 10 October 2013 (BST)

but what about the spambits?--User:Sexualharrison14:11, 10 October 2013

A/RE

Do you wish to keep ze buttons? -- Spiderzed â–ˆ 18:01, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

City/Region Designing

In your opinion, how would you define different elevations in a regional map that encompasses around a two-three hundred square miles?

I have a bunch of ideas for my regional map project, most of which feature locations at different elevations along with mountains threading through the map, but with it being a two-dimensional map, it's kind of hard to represent that other than text.

Also Hi! -- TheBardof Old 03:40, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Some squares higher than others. The only way I would see it working is through text-based descriptions on the wiki (supposing Kevan actually does use it when I get around to finishing it), much like how you can supposedly see the almost the entire city from the top of St Ninian's steeple. That, or have some sort of barricade-type occurrence like the quarantine wall, where you can't move past it, but can move along it.

For example: one of the suburbs I plan on designing will feature canyons with a bridge crossing it, or rather, the bombed remains of the bridge. The canyon will be uncrossable with a hundred-feet or so drop to the river below and attempting to cross would be impossible. There's also going to be ridges of unclimbable mountains, cliffs bordering lakes, raised roads and bridges, etc. All of which will prevent the player from crossing it from specified directions. -- TheBardof Old 21:39, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Rip Van Winkle

You have missed the encoding mangling of the entire wiki, along with it being solved by the rare sight of the Hand of God. Other than that, it was all business as usual. - Also, I think for not having enough edits to be eligible as a crat you ought to be punished with teaching Sally A Summers in Teacher Story. -- Spiderzed ▋ 22:39, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

I blame Ross for all our woes. 00:50, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Big Brother House

Hey, do you remember the big retarded argument that happened over the Big Brother House and whether it should be documented on the wiki before people get there? In my speech here, I seem to mention it was between Iscariot and Hagnat but I can't remember much. Do you have any memories of it or know which admin pages it would have spilled onto? I could go for a laff. A ZOMBIE ANT 12:53, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Ha ha, found some loose pieces. Someone tried to censor whether the BB house location could be on the wiki so Iscariot and others like Midinian put it as their signature [1] and then Iscariot made it blinking and massive. Hilarious. How could I not see Iscariot as a massive troll when I was teenager? A ZOMBIE ANT 13:04, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

I was hoping there was some funny dialogue during the fallout I could read. But sadly I couldn't find anything spilling out onto A/M, A/A etc. Bummer. A ZOMBIE ANT 23:02, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Ok, so, serious talk time

Look, you know I don't want the position when it comes around at the end of the month, but I also don't want you to feel like you're stuck as perma-crat either (same goes for boxy too, though he seems comfortable with it). Obviously, what we really need to be working towards is getting more people involved, perhaps even some folks who've wanted to be involved but have been turned away in the past.

In the meantime though, we need to figure out something that works for all of us. If you want the seat, as far as I'm concerned it's all yours for as long as you want it (all hail the eternal reign of the Boxy-Ross regime), but if you don't want it, I'm willing to remain in the running and either let you withdraw (maybe we rotate our withdrawing?) or let the chips fall where they may with the vote (i.e. you win, unless folks want to punish me) so that neither of us feels locked in. You know what my preference is in this, but at the same time, I don't want to fulfill my preferences at the expense of yours, so I wanted to check in with you and see if the seat is something you're up for. —Aich on— 04:17, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

I don't feel stuck, amnd in fairness the workload is negligable. I'll be running next time and don't mind the position. --Ross less ne s s 10:44, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Triton

I play that, and it is sorta (read: completely) your fault. I see some discussion about guilds, which I'd like to join, on the forum, which I don't want to join. If you indeed become the... overlord of one of these, can I join? Unless I need to be on the forum, in which case, fuck it. Thanks. --_K 03:22, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

St. Ferreol's (and the zergs) :(

Hey there!

So...I've come back to the game after a three-year absence. I'm hoping to play consistently for a bit. But one thing I did notice, while reactivating my characters, was that three zerg accounts took the St. F's name back in 2012 and seem to have stuck with it ever since. I see from our forum records that we alerted the zerg list and the Knights Templar about it...but do you know anything about this situation, or anything else that might possibly be done? And do you have any thoughts on whether it might be better, for the poor good name of St. F's, to officially retire the group to cut all association with these accounts? I really don't want to overreact and choose the nuclear option here...but if these guys have been zerging using our name for over two years, I'm honestly not sure what the heck to do about it. --Jen 21:22, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Small update: The zergs are idled out for now. -- Jen^{T | SFHNAS | PK} 12:05, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Big update: The zergs are no longer zerging. -- Jen^{T | SFHNAS | PK} 04:36, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Wow, that's awkward. A ZOMBIE ANT 00:23, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Hey, I'm just glad it seems to be over. They showed up in the hospital yesterday and gestured at themself so I'd see the profile. So far they seem to be telling the truth.-- Jen^{T | SFHNAS | PK} 11:06, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello? Hellooo? Helllooooo? echoes

Is anybody even still here? Malton seems absolutely deserted. It's really sad. My nostalgia brought me back to this game because I had so much fun playing (and plotting) as a kid, and there's just no one here. It makes me want to cry! *sniffles* When did everything get so...empty? I don't know. I just needed somebody to complain to. Hope I'm not bothering you.

Best wishes and regards, Izumi Orimoto 13:15, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Folks are still around, just fewer and fewer every year. The game itself is under 6500 characters now, but a lot of folks are clustered around Roftwood at the moment for the Block Party, it seems. —Aich on— 14:41, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

People complain to me? Weird.--Ross less ne s s 23:20, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Signature Help?

So, I tried to be good and NOT make my signature a template, because I heard it adds to wiki lag for everyone if I do that. But in the "preferences" section, there's not enough room in the signature field to enter it manually. Is there a way around this? You have way more characters of signature text than me...do you just copy/past each time, or is there a way around the signature field character limit? --Jen^{T | SFHNAS | PK} 20:03, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

There is a code that let's you use a template but puts the actual code on the page rather than the template. Inside the template call add this: SUBST: before the actual page like this SUBST:User:Kirsty_cotton/sig, but including the brackets for templates. --_K 20:14, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Yep, my signature looks like this in the preferences textbox: {{SUBST:Nosubst|User:Aichon/Signature}}

If you remove the Nosubst| (e.g. {{SUBST:User:Aichon/Signature}}), the signature should get added into every page when you do the ~~~~ for your signature. I think. I haven't tested it in years, so some tweaks may be needed. —Aich on— 21:12, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

I'll mess with a couple combinations of these when I have a spare moment next week to screw up my signature again. Thanks, guys. --Jen^{T | SFHNAS | PK} 17:30, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Or now. It works! -- Jen^{T | SFHNAS | PK} 17:33, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Your signature

It frightens me. So much code. --Janus ^talk 10:35, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Like, about zerging

Good stuff. (He accused me of zerging, of being listed on Res, of having I don't know what alt in some near suburb and then took it all back). --Janus ^talk 00:14, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Question

I feel like UD gets boring quickly, especially after upgrading a character all the way, what do you think could be done to keep the excitement?

join a group is always a good start, or set yourself some harder challenges. For example, follow the link at the end of my sig.

is fortress still active?

The Fortress is still active. Stats page certainly suggests so. --Rosslessness^{Want to complete a dangerous mission?} 19:08, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

How can I be a more active participant on the wiki? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by JoshCz (talk • contribs) at an unknown time.

I have a list from a few years ago of common wiki tasks that need to get done. —Aich on— 16:12, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Let me rephrase my question: I don't really know how to do any of those things to help maintain the wiki. Can someone help me be more helpful? I am also interested in how the suggestion page is run, but I'm willing to help pull my weight in other areas too.

Sure you know! :) You're already doing #5, #14, and #16. And all the instruction you need for #5-9 are either on that page or are on the pages it links to (e.g. the top of the Category:Recruitment page has instructions on how ads should work. If you have any specific questions, I or the others here are happy to answer them, but I'm afraid I can't spare the time to write out detailed explanations for each and every one of those points right now, especially since most of them already have details explanations somewhere. —Aich on— 15:44, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

MUCKLE DAMRED CULTI 'AIR EH NAMBLIES BE KEEPIN' ME WEE MEN!?!?

Given that Gnome has retracted his Demotion request, we should probably quickly chain him back to his cubicle before he can think of escape again. Any differing thoughts? -- Spiderzed ▋ 18:57, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Le bümp. Or else I can and will abuse muh m4d c4t p0w4rz to retain Le Gnome, in a Grim-style coup ignoring any counterpoints you may have. -- Spiderzed ▋ 22:33, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

I have now kept Gnome. -- Spiderzed ▋ 21:05, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

I got a bad feeling about this...

Hi, looong time since i tried to do much with the wiki besides check the maps, so i hope this doesn't mess up your page.

About two weeks ago, several generators in Peddelsden Village were destroyed. No-one saw anyone do it, and initially I just thought "oh yeah, some genny-killing jerk has been on a spree through here and run away, woo-hoo, whatever turns them on".

So I started looking for a replacement generator in a lit, deserted, barricaded factory, and two weeks later, haviong done nothing with my AP besides searching, I still haven't found one. Nor a can of fuel. A lot of other stuff, but no generators or fuel. By my reckoning, which is very weak given that I did one solitary statistics paper twenty years ago, I really should have found something by now.

The paranoia starts...is Kevan killing us off because the site can't make money because some euro taxation thing (or because that's how the story goes - it's his story, he can make it as dark [lol] as he likes)?

Has anyone else noticed odd search results about generators and fuel? Where would I read that?

Anyhoo, having bothered a superuser with this mumbling, I figure my next four AP will yeild two gennies and two cans of fuel, in accordance with Murphy's Law as it applies to making oneself look silly.

Sassie ````

Butting in a bit here, but during the second March of the Dead when the entire city was pretty much in ruins, we saw search rates go through the roof. You could go into a ruined, unlit NT, do 5 searches, and get 4 needles. It's possible that if things swing the other way too far, search rates will plummet to give zombies a fighting chance, but that doesn't appear to be what's going on here. I'd wager it's just odds working against you, since it seems like people aren't having trouble finding them in general. For instance, I found a fuel can within a handful of searches yesterday. —Aich on— 15:09, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Don't apologise, I was hoping someone would say that! And as predicted, today I found a can of fuel. No generator though. Paranoid me says Kevan read this and just threw a couple of cans of fuel at us to squelch the rumour before it's too late... heh.

User:Sassie/Signature ....nope.... Sassie (talk) 05:18, 13 June 2015 (UTC) ...ah! It's all coming back to me!

Hater of Humanity

Mis' bid is up now. I'm somewhat on the fence. He's an old op who has done good in the past, but I don't like how he forgot to update wiki news with the promo bid. Thoughts? -- Spiderzed ▋ 10:18, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

Le bump as you have proven to still be alive. Same on Gnome. -- Spiderzed ▋ 21:28, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

If I don't hear back by tomorrow night, I will do something terrible to the wiki and promote Mis. -- Spiderzed ▋ 21:05, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Call the Ghostbusters!

I are here...Stalkin' your talk page. --Axe Hack's Ghost (talk) 21:47, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Oh my god. Neither of you have archived your talk pages for 3 years... you disappoint me.--Yonnua Koponen^{Talk ! Contribs} 14:28, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

I'm retired, dang it! Get off my lawn! --Axe Hack's Ghost (talk) 19:49, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Long time, no chat.

Howdy.

I have kind of an odd question. Is there any way to create something on the wiki without it being public?

For example, recreate my Northwest Unemplementia project without it being visible to all except moderators and administrators?

-- TheBardof Old 02:08, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Cat stuff

As I will be abroad the next 3 weeks and unable to do much cat business: Retain Aichon. Bob looks good, but the time hasn't run out yet on the bid. -- Spiderzed ▋ 14:21, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Bob's due today. I'd say ensnare him once more before he can change his mind. -- Spiderzed ▋ 08:14, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Whats a good suburb to start a new survivor group out of?

Nignog19:10, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

What kind of group you wanting to make? --Rosslessness^{Want to complete a dangerous mission?} 19:43, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

a general pro suvivor group, that also dedicates half its time to thinning out pkers and zergers Commandant Romero (talk) 19:50, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

I'd suggest something like taking over from the OBR in griggs heights. Tactically a good position and good local zombies. It would certainly be active. Alternatively , I'd go big, read Guides:Spawning_Hotspots and set up in Rillie Bank. --Rosslessness^{Want to complete a dangerous mission?} 20:37, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Alternatively, some people over on NecroConnect turned half of Dulston into a spawn hotspot, and have seen people spawning there. --Jerran1 ^{NecroConnect Creator/Admin} 02:09, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Boxy

My rubberstamp is ready. How is yours? -- Spiderzed ▋ 16:07, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Gnome Yes

Without a doubt. -- Spiderzed ▋ 07:56, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Gnome yes. --Rosslessness^{Want to complete a dangerous mission?} 18:24, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

DSS exchange

893-6379. Hit me up w/ a text? my proposition should fall under the motivations of a few active survivors. --Old Jack Burton (talk) 14:25, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Sorry man, birthday, will hit you up monday. --Rosslessness^{Want to complete a dangerous mission?} 08:03, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Happy belated Birthday! --Old Jack Burton (talk) 04:43, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Pegton?

I see that you've already listed on your missions page that you've got something going in Pegton, is that still active? I ask because I was going to originally ask you if you could mention something about repairing the High Cost ruins in the suburb to the mission list. However now my question is whether or not you could help the CFSC branch of the Knights Templar with our quest of reclaiming Pegton (and the eventual entirety of that region including edgecombe, dentonside, pitneybank and the like) for survivors... (or even zombies really as long as its not a bunch of 100+ AP ruins with dogshit nothing for players) theres literally like 6 of us trying to reclaim the suburb from what we presume to be a zerg horde of 20-ish zombies and honestly the .... well im kinda rambling and you get the point, trouble in pegton, if you could either put something up about it or contact us on our forum about solving the issue that'd be great. Thanks toots - Levi Romero/Wilhelmina Jones 10:10, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

Not to just jump into to someone's conversation, but this is what I wanted to speak about also:

would you mind advertising a Minor_Mission_List with the Necroconnect page too? -Old Jack Burton (talk) 06:08, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

was switching too and also really necessary? - Levi Romero 06:57, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Just noticed your edit comment

Hell no. —Aich on— 19:43, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

I will just demote you for almost two weeks, vote for you, then protect the page. --Rosslessness^{Want to complete a dangerous mission?} 19:59, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

If I'm demoted, I'm automatically not eligible. Victory! —Aich on— 20:06, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

Coups are such effort.--Rosslessness^{Want to complete a dangerous mission?} 20:29, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

In re: Aichon

For why Aich doesn't want the seat back, see this and this (and below) and this. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 20:19, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

A/RE 2k16

I'm down with keeping everyone. The only team member without clear support is Mis, and he'll be demoted in a month anyway. If he appears before then, most of the objection goes away. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 16:13, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Agreed. His lack of appeal would be grounds for removal as truly inactive.--Rosslessness^{; the shambling custodian of UD's past...} 17:58, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Ok, when I get back home tonight I'll process everybody except myself (technically you have to approve me, fellow Crat) and Mis, who I'll leave open but open the inactivity procedures (the four month mark is today). Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 18:56, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Manhunt 2016

There has been so discussion about doing a pker event over at necroconnect. Would the manhunt be something you'd be interested in teaming up on? If you've already got everything worked oit, no worry, just thought I'd check with you. --_K^CLZA_NecroConnect 03:48, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Combination seems good. What kind of rules you thinking of?--Rosslessness^{; the shambling custodian of UD's past...} 20:29, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

I'm fairly open on rules, although there probably isn't a reason to stray much from the previous manhunt rules. I do like the team style over solo, but not enough to have a problem with solo hunting. --_K^CLZA_NecroConnect 18:16, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Monroeville and Borehamwood standing survivors

Any idea at all who the standing survivors in Monroeville and Borehamwood might be? Wondering about the repair costs in both: if it tops out at 999 AP, or goes about 1000? - BOSCH 12:38, 21 July 2016 (UTC)Bosch

The Borehamwood 100 is probably a good place to look, especially its editing history. I know towards the end quite a few of the last handful password shared so who is actually running any specific account is probably even more clouded. Monroeville, no idea. As I just ate everyone. --Rosslessness^{; the shambling custodian of UD's past...} 23:49, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

I repaired The Israel Building (Borehamwood) for 350ap in mid November 2009. That should probably give you a baseline to work from, as mostly everything was dead by then. I could provide you with a rough map of the survivor enclaves at that time. --Rosslessness^{; the shambling custodian of UD's past...} 23:54, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

eww zergs?!?!

http://iamscott.net/1484143706635.html every here of the iron city rockers? and playing since 2007? --User:Sexualharrison14:09, 11 January 2017

eww zergs?!?!

http://iamscott.net/1484143706635.html ever hear of the iron city rockers? and playing since 2007? --User:Sexualharrison14:10, 11 January 2017

eww zergs?!?!

http://iamscott.net/1484143706635.html ever hear of the iron city rockers? and playing since 2007? --User:Sexualharrison14:10, 11 January 2017

eww zergs?!?!

http://iamscott.net/1484143706635.html ever hear of the iron city rockers? and playing since 2007? --User:Sexualharrison14:10, 11 January 2017

eww zergs?!?!

http://iamscott.net/1484143706635.html ever hear of the iron city rockers? and playing since 2007? --User:Sexualharrison14:10, 11 January 2017

Weirdly, never met them. --Rosslessness^{; the shambling custodian of UD's past...} 19:39, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

High AP Repairs?

Wasn't there someplace that tracked high AP repairs on the wiki? Someone in the SoC just did a repair that is higher than anything else I ever remember seeing in Malton, and I was curious how that compared to some of the previous ones that have been recorded. I seem to recall you being involved in this stuff, so I figured you may have a clue what I'm thinking of, or, if not, you at least have some stalkers in the know. —Aich on— 17:08, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Also, to anyone stalking: sorry, I won't say where the SoC is operating, though I will say that the repair was over 400AP. —Aich on— 17:23, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Somewhat involved? It's all I do these days. Remember I even broke the game with an extreme repair once. Ruin_Hunting is a good start, but Template talk:ExtremeRepair/Gallery is probably what you're after. How's SOC? --Rosslessness^{; the shambling custodian of UD's past...} 18:59, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Ha, yeah, figured that's what you were up to, but couldn't say for sure.

As for the SoC, honestly, I'm a bit out of touch. Between barhah.com going down, the Philosophe forums disappearing, my going inactive in-game, and UDWiki being the only UD-related site that I still check on a regular basis, I don't really know how the SoC is doing. I know we have a handful of stalwart members who still engage in missions together, and then another cadre that silently operates around our HQ, but with us dropping off the stats page sometime last year, it's hard to say how many are still active, other than the ones who post regularly on the board...which I no longer regularly check. —Aich on— 19:53, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Weirdly, I'm back with my original alt, defending original buildings. That and continued spade work on freerunning damage. --Rosslessness^{; the shambling custodian of UD's past...} 19:55, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

sad news

password has been blocked! --Rosslessness^{; the shambling custodian of UD's past...} 20:04, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

What does this mean? On the wiki or in-game? Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 21:32, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

password is a character, whose password is, well you get it. Interestingly at some point in it's past it's been reset to level one at least once and was used variously as a community character, spare zerg, whatever. --Rosslessness^{; the shambling custodian of UD's past...} 22:04, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Aah right! End of an era. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 22:28, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

The end is nigh. -- Spiderzed ▋ 07:27, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

😭 A ZOMBIE ANT 05:03, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Shame! a real crying loss being denied a character, but at least it can be rebuilt!

User talk:Rosslessness

wait is this hags page?

moving stuff

Clones

I Have a Popplisition For you.

Back In The Flesh

So...

A wild Aichon preemptively answers your questions

MU on brainstock

grammer and spelling nazi!

Greetings

Aww

Congrats!

Unemplementia

DoHS

Spambat IPs

Unused Monroeville cat

ze_pussies

Thanks

shnotazis

5th of November page

Sheer Brilliance

Revive policies

Request...

Project1

Hey, Goatfucker

IRC

Happy Birthday

Cade Templates

Message for you

The Hell?

Just so you know

Misleading headers

SA's

January 21st

About that awesome SA guy (who has his own section on my talk page, I'll add)

i wonder if corny will be forced to move into one of these.

tiny

Thanks!

CoL

Story behind signature?

Very Old Character Looking to Play UD Again

Very Old Character Looking to Play Again

Setting up a group

If you would be so kind...

Check out my Suggestion Again

all my life

You're invited!

Congrats!

Mayor Haggar

7th Recon Squad

Acorn

The Ross signal appears on the night sky

SZ Re-Eval

Oh yes

You left us two months ago?

A/RE

City/Region Designing

Rip Van Winkle

Big Brother House

Ok, so, serious talk time

Triton

St. Ferreol's (and the zergs) :(

Hello? Hellooo? Helllooooo? *echoes*

Signature Help?

Your signature

Like, about zerging

Question

MUCKLE DAMRED CULTI 'AIR EH NAMBLIES BE KEEPIN' ME WEE MEN!?!?

I got a bad feeling about this...

Hater of Humanity

Call the Ghostbusters!

Long time, no chat.

Cat stuff

Whats a good suburb to start a new survivor group out of?

Boxy

Gnome Yes

DSS exchange

Pegton?

Just noticed your edit comment

Hello? Hellooo? Helllooooo? echoes