Category talk:Historical Groups

Obtaining Historical Status

A policy is in place which outlines the method to attain historical status.

Groups must no longer actively contribute to the game. A nomination should be made on Category talk:Historical Groups. Within two weeks of a nomination, the group must be approved by 2/3 of the voters, with a minimum of 15 voters for a nomination to pass. The only allowable votes are Yea and Nay. Groups that pass will be added to the category as described below. Groups must allow a week to pass between nominations. Groups must allow 4 months in between when the group disbands and when they can be nominated for Historical Status. (Note: Only for Malton-based groups)

Nominations for Historical Status

When nominating a group, please add a note to Template:Wiki News and add {{HistoricalGroupVoting}} to the top of the group's page. Also, please add {{HistoricalVotingRules}} under the group's application for historical status.

New Nominations

Columbine Kids

Now that probably the last member wearing the tags has switched to a different group (welcome to Cobra, YOG :P) and the group as such hasn't coordinated at all for a long while (the forums have been down for months), it's probably about time to recognize Columbine Kids as historical.

From their very founding day on, they have polarized the UD metagame, going even as far as getting the group put up for deletion vote due to bad taste, or because no one thinks of the children, or whatever the reasoning was for those who voted for deletion. And it wasn't just at the beginning that they shocked and polarized the UD crowd, it even continued throughout their career.

They have not just made impact by their concept, though. They were also effective PKers, racking up massive bounties, performing highly coordinated timed strikes and getting involved in events like the 2008 Wedding Crash or Samhain Slaughter 1 to 3. They were recognized in the Malton Murder Awards 2010 as nominee for Best PKer Group.

Seriously, if you are involved in the PKer metagame at all, you have heard of them and their exploits. -- Spiderzed▋ 18:38, 27 March 2011 (BST)

Voting Rules

Votes must be numbered, signed, and timestamped. They can take one of two forms: # comments ~~~~ or # ~~~~ Votes that do not conform to the above will be struck by a moderator.

The only valid voting sections are Yes and No. If you wish to abstain from voting, do not vote.

Yes

1. I, duh, nominated them in the first place? -- Spiderzed▋ 18:45, 27 March 2011 (BST)
2. Who?--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 18:51, 27 March 2011 (BST)
3. Classy chaps. Oidar 18:54, 27 March 2011 (BST)
4. lets just get this over with-- The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking
   
   bitch 20:21 27 March 2011 (UTC)
5. After this, we're gettin' the C4NT up here. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 23:56, 27 March 2011 (BST)

   You should think about slapping an inactive tag on them and starting the clock. -MHSstaff 03:46, 28 March 2011 (BST)

   isn't the page history a better indicator to begin with? -- The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking

   

   bitch 09:33 4 April 2011 (UTC)

6. For about a year the leading source of UD metagame butthurt (other than wiki drama, which is the untouchable Queen of UD Drama), inspiration behind a few less competent attempts at shock groups (such as Pumpkin Pedophiles) and a couple of even less competent hunter groups dedicated to 'teaching us a lesson', we made a significant splash in both game and metagame. Also there were two School Shooting tours that aren't mentioned above, which put hundreds more corpses on the streets of Malton. 1 2. --Papa Moloch 03:28, 28 March 2011 (BST)
7. Never even met any of them in game, but I still heard about them. Sick of all this historical status elitism. They were well known enough to be let in.--
   
   | T | BALLS! | 03:41 28 March 2011(UTC)
8. They are worth giving historical status --Bluewaterdragon 04:02, 28 March 2011 (BST)
9. Sure! Why not? --Akbar 06:11, 28 March 2011 (BST)
10. Yes. Shootin up skool iz fun! --  ▧  ^{: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :} 08:13, 28 March 2011 (BST)
11. Smyg 08:18, 28 March 2011 (BST)
12. Having had the pleasure of kicking off their mall tour from MCM it would be hard not to vote for them. Like it or not they did make themselves know! --QBee 03:25, 31 March 2011 (BST)
13. Perhaps unsurprisingly, I'mma go with 'yes'. -- CyanEyed ^C-Kids 10:25, 28 March 2011 (BST)
14. - Not a giant group, but they caused a massive stir. --Karloth Vois ^¯\(°_o)/¯ 16:13, 28 March 2011 (BST)
15. That bounty alone must qualify them for historical status never mind what else they did! Gordon 23:13, 28 March 2011 (BST)
16. Sigh... Yes And here's why. I despise this group. I hate everything about them. I Loathe and detest the very creaion of it ffs. It's unsavoury, childish glorification of 'shock value' made me uneasy from the first minute I saw some plank wearing the tags two years ago when I started playing, and still, to this day does. However, that's why they work. That was their hook, so to speak.
    The BH'er in me, always wanted to whack a CK. Hell, I wanted to do it with Deej too, should the chance arisen. They made an impact, and much as I dislike the theme of the group, they certainly knew how to grab the eye. They should be remembered, if not for 'cos they were a 'great PK'er' group, then 'cos they were a bunch of knobbers people wanted to kill. A lot.
    Btw, this vote will be changed to a No, if Harrison doesn't admit, in the next 24 hours he watched, and fapped to the vid linked in my yes vote. Clock is ticking, perve. ~ Kempy “YaketyYak” | ◆◆◆ | CAPD |
     
    05:07, 29 March 2011 (BST)

    hah hah suck my balls kempy this was the message i got when i clicked the link. """The uploader has not made this video available in your country. Sorry about that.""" suck it!-- The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking

    

    bitch 05:11 29 March 2011 (UTC)

    ..tock. ~ Kempy “YaketyYak” | ◆◆◆ | CAPD |

     

    05:47, 29 March 2011 (BST)

    Try Hotspot Shield? ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 21:37, 29 March 2011 (BST)

17. DO IT. 00:58, 29 March 2011 (BST)
18. Sounds like a good idea. --Cexylikepie 02:03, 29 March 2011 (BST)
19. I have been roused from my wiki hiatus to vote! --Pibbit 05:49, 29 March 2011 (BST)
20. They were quite notorious, both in game and on the wiki. The fact that people still hate them makes them quite memorable (and by extension, historical). Their talk page alone is comedy gold.--Shatari 07:15, 29 March 2011 (BST)
21. Fuck yes. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 07:16, 29 March 2011 (BST)
22. Didn't really need to ask, to be honest. --Ash  ^{|  T  |  яя  |} 09:33, 29 March 2011 (BST)
23. As Anime Sucks. -- Papa Jadkor ^{(RRF) (MotA) (MT11)} 18:45, 29 March 2011 (BST)
24. Switching my vote, after the responses below. —Aichon— 22:12, 29 March 2011 (BST)
25. The creation of this group sparked a large negative response from the community and did spark alot of copycats. It also raised valid issues concerning associates of RG mods farming people into the Ignore List--Rapture 23:42, 29 March 2011 (BST)

    Being part of their mall tours for several years it would be hard not to vote for them. --QBee 03:25, 31 March 2011 (BST)

    You already did vote for them, see vote number 12 above.--Mallrat ^{TSI TKS CTD} 06:16, 5 April 2011 (BST)

    vote struck- were still gonna win this you turd. putz.-- The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking

    

    bitch 07:03 5 April 2011 (UTC)

    No problem, as long as it's all fair and square. Thanks for deleting the duplicate vote.--Mallrat ^{TSI TKS CTD} 11:03, 5 April 2011 (BST)

26. Yup. Kirsty cotton 04:35, 31 March 2011 (BST)
27. Yes. CK got me interested in PKing. --Amber Waves of Pain 05:10, 31 March 2011 (BST)
28. Nov puts them at four months. Still think PHOG, BBIII and Ackland Abattoir should be in if these guys go in but what do I know.-MHSstaff 00:06, 1 April 2011 (BST)
29. Yes, and Fuck Yeah! Everyone knows hows demented you were. I loved crushing all hope with you.--_♥AU10♥Pantomime _{Mistress of Pain}┌∩┐(◕‿◕)┌∩┐ 23:05, 1 April 2011 (BST)
30. Yes, Not always into their schtick but they played a big part in the game, back when people played the game that is.--User:Rob Collick/sig 00:41, 3 April 2011 (BST)
31. Yes. Every suburb they went people were talking about them. - Love from Swing XOXOX^Talk 11:31, 3 April 2011 (BST)
32. Fuck yes. The Columbine Kids are one of the most infamous groups just based on name and reputation alone. If you played the game on a regular basis before they disbanded, you most likely heard of them. The group also polarized people you either got it and loved them, got it and hated them, or didn't get it and hated them. The only thing about them that sucks is that they won't be around anymore and I never got around to leveling the character I wanted to join with before I left the game. -- Goribus 12:50, 3 April 2011 (BST)

    join cobra, not as offensive, definitely as evil tho.-- The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking

    

    bitch 13:03 3 April 2011 (UTC)

    And just as crap.--Mallrat ^{TSI TKS CTD} 17:10, 3 April 2011 (BST)

    do u ever get tired of being wrong all the time? i mean like about everything.-- The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking

    

    bitch 19:01 3 April 2011 (UTC)

    Let him pwease. People getting all riled up about us are good :p And also the most fun to shoot... Template:SallySig 14:30, 4 April 2011 (BST)

    For the sake of accuracy, I should point out that Cobra is in fact even more useless than CK was.--Mallrat ^{TSI TKS CTD} 20:03, 4 April 2011 (BST)

    I actually have an idled Cobra alt Harrison. But now I don't know what to do with Whitfield Crane other than keeping him perma-idled. -- Goribus 07:49, 7 April 2011 (BST)

33. crashing in-game weddings is cool --^TCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 18:04, 3 April 2011 (BST)
34. This group was so good that they should also be included in one of the four basic food groups. Petite Fille 13:42, 8 April 2011 (BST)
35. Yes. One can't deny they shook things up. --priapus 13:55, 8 April 2011 (BST)
36. Yes. --Zorinth 19:26, 8 April 2011 (BST)
37. Add another one to the yes pile. --ZombieDalkorian 00:47, 9 April 2011 (BST)
38. YES! All the cool kids are doing it! I can't handle the peer pressure (or Petite's repeated shin kicking). Zombiegeorge 15:58, 9 April 2011 (BST)
39. Yes. --MyEvilTwin 16:41, 9 April 2011 (BST)
40. Yes, they've been around long enough.--Deadone 14:17, 10 April 2011 (BST)
41. Yes. Offensive tastes good. --Runaround Stu 16:42, 10 April 2011 (BST)
42. Yes - We came, we saw, we hurt some butts. --Yodadog 17:11, 10 April 2011 (BST)

No

• Come back in three months - See rule #6 above. It hasn't been four months since they went inactive. YOG only left a month or two ago, otherwise I'd say yes. —Aichon— 19:36, 27 March 2011 (BST)

  the forums have been down for months - as indicated here. Moloch's words don't sound like the group has been active as a group either for quite some time before. -- Spiderzed▋ 19:52, 27 March 2011 (BST)

  say yes it's easier-- The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking

  

  bitch 20:24 27 March 2011 (UTC)

  Spiderzed is correct. The group ceased to exist months ago. The forums were closed and the leader (that would be me) idled out. --Unhappydisgustingwow 07:39, 29 March 2011 (BST)

  Vote changed. —Aichon— 22:12, 29 March 2011 (BST)

1. No - Very few pker groups do enough to be considered notable or historic. The only reason anyone knows who the Columbine Kids are is pretty much some very minor wiki drama. They're no Amish, Red Rum, or DEA. They didn't help make a huge event and the most you can even note them for in their nomination is as being a tag along? An Historic Group these things do not make. --Karek^maps?! 20:01, 27 March 2011 (BST)
2. No - emphatically as Karek. -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 03:36, 28 March 2011 (BST)

   No - As Aichon. -MHSstaff 03:46, 28 March 2011 (BST)

   And now..? ;o) --Papa Moloch 23:35, 30 March 2011 (BST)

   Eligible so vote Changed. -MHSstaff 00:08, 1 April 2011 (BST)

3. NO - Who the hell are these guys never even heard of them get real don't you have actually had to of done something? Wow they should change the name from historical status to Popular disbanded group since obviously you actually never had to of done anything. This is really pathetic the Profile police didn't get voted in but the Ck do????? Everyone who ever played this game has heard of the profile police but as I said before who the hell are the theses guys. Divs 04:48, 28 March 2011 (BST)

   You've never heard of CK, yet you've heard of some obscure group called Profile Police? CK are pretty well known. --  ▧  ^{: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :} 13:18, 3 April 2011 (BST)

   it's okay.. it's bad attitude barbie what do you expect? reality. nevah.-- The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking

   

   bitch 13:28 3 April 2011 (UTC)

4. No They were typical PKers and did not do anything but typical PKer stuff. --Josh Clark 04:53, 28 March 2011 (BST)
5. No As Karek and as Josh. --Penguinpyro 08:20, 28 March 2011 (BST)
6. No Never heard of them. --Louis Vernon 15:03 28 March 2011 (BST)
7. No Bad taste is neither historical or notable. Asheets 16:35, 28 March 2011 (BST)
8. No. As Asheets. We might as well put Assholio on the Historical Groups List with his various zerging neo-Nazi groups.--Mallrat ^{TSI TKS CTD} 18:03, 28 March 2011 (BST)

   how can you compare CK to cornhole? that insults everyones intelligence. we were at least good at what we did.-- The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking

   

   bitch 05:00 29 March 2011 (UTC)

   Because both CK and Cornhole's chief claim to fame is creating wiki drama through glorifying mass-murderers. But hey, for the lulz, right?--Mallrat ^{TSI TKS CTD} 16:43, 30 March 2011 (BST)

   Yes, it's what all murderers truly crave: To be represented as borderline-retarded, monosyllabic, repressed homosexuals who kill because they are too stupid to do anything else. That truly is the definition of glory. There are several reasons why comparisons to Cornhoolio are absolutely cretinous, including the subtle distinction between actual satire and 4Chan 'here it is LOL' vomit, the not-exactly subtle distinction between stupid and wasteful murder and mechanised and legalised genocide, and then the entirely obvious distinction between a legitimate group of UD players and a single serial-zerging mass wiki vandal. Somehow though, I suspect that aiding you in grasping these will prove a sisyphean task on a par with trying to teach a particularly stupid dog a card trick. --Papa Moloch 23:34, 30 March 2011 (BST)

   Much of what fuels mass murderers like the Columbine Kids is the desire for notoriety. You feed that notoriety and thereby encourage others. Most UD players never use the wiki so your pisspoor attempt at 'satire' is lost on them: all they see is 'Columbine Kids' tags. Even for those of us who frequent the wiki, the CK page has only got 15000 hits - FFS, even my TSI page has well over 50,000. As for Cornhole, you miss the point entirely - he's not historical, neither was this group. Hint for the future: satire is funny, not merely offensive, as Chris Morris could tell you.--Mallrat ^{TSI TKS CTD} 20:43, 1 April 2011 (BST)

   Yes and he can also attest to the fact that for every person who enjoys a piece of satire there will be a hundred or more whiny babblers shrieking their butthurt. The fact that you cite Chris Morris as an example in the same post in which you laughably assert that a group from a minor internet browser game could influence potential future mass murderers only underlines just how inexorably stupid you actually are. I suppose then that Chris Morris is a great influence upon the next generation of paedophiles, drug dealers and suicide bombers. After all, if you draw attention to something then that means that people will think that's cool and become more likely to do it themselves, right? As a part of his work Morris has made jokes about Myra Hindley and Peter Sutcliffe, so he runs the risk of inspiring murderers too. Hell, he did it on the television for the viewing of millions.

   Your arguments are becoming increasingly garbled. You assert that Columbine Kids 'feed notoriety and thereby encourage others', then claim that they don't get enough attention to claim influence, and then subsequently cite a man who has an audience of millions and also uses representations of real-life murderers as an example of how satire 'should' be done! I'd suggest that you make up your mind, but it appears that you'd need the world's most powerful microscope simply to find it. --Papa Moloch 17:23, 2 April 2011 (BST)

   Lots of words, many insults, not much substance: looks like I touched a nerve and you're upset. Arguments by numbers for the hard-of-reading, do try to keep up: 1. Morris is funny, CK isn't. Having some wit counts for a lot in satire. 2. Most people playing UD don't read the wiki, so yes, they might well regard CK-tagged characters (shooting survivors in schools, etc.) as glorifying murderers. 3. CK claim historical status partly for stirring up wiki drama but in 6 months, even poor deluded Cornholioo's talk page got more hits than CK's talk page has in nearly two years. It's pretty easy to stir shit up; as for timed strikes, taking part in events, being runner-up in a PKer award, so what? Hardly epoch-making stuff.--Mallrat ^{TSI TKS CTD} 18:02, 2 April 2011 (BST)

   Not upset at all: I just genuinely enjoy slapping around people who try to present arguments and fail miserably. Note how there's no argument with Paddy, Karek, et al. They make their points in a rational fashion and, regardless of whether I agree or not, get due respect for it. You simply manufacture a fatuous comparison to a mass-zerger and wiki vandal and then, when that fails dismally, you resort to the old 'glorifies'/'encourages copycats'. Even then you screw that up by citing as an example a man whose whole career would, by that measure, have inspired murder, paedophilia and drug abuse (amongst other things) on a truly immense scale. Did anyone in CK ever expect to rival Morris? Not even slightly. Who could with a wiki page and a group name? Still, I'd rather do something a little different and be compared very much unfavourably with him than be yet another lame-wit peddling the same tired references to the same tired sketch from the same tired 70s show.

   As for the number of page hits, an interesting pair of parallels there. Cornholio and TSI? Well, they have at least one thing in common... --Papa Moloch 19:15, 2 April 2011 (BST)

   Well then, hopefully as the first voter here it will be helpful that I agree with you. Claiming that you see them as Cornholio equivalents is both kinda insulting(UDWiki, so I guess it's a bit expected) and irrelevant to whether or not their historical. The Dead were grade A dicks to a lot of people, ask any DHPD memebers, still totally historical. It's not really relevant to the vote Mallrat, did they have a impact on the game that you saw aside from that? That's the question that should be being answered.--Karek^maps?! 19:22, 2 April 2011 (BST)

   Exactly. Emotional responses against and in favor of the CK should not be justification for a no or a yes vote. And the comparison with Cornholio is bullshit. --Paddy Dignam^{IS DEAD} 20:21, 2 April 2011 (BST)

   Monty Python - now there's a historical group. Karek, my point re Cornhole is that he also created wiki drama, but there's no way he'd be considered historical for that, and to highlight that (as you said), CK's dramatic impact was minor. Paddy: "did they have a impact on the game that you saw aside from that?" - No.--Mallrat ^{TSI TKS CTD} 21:32, 2 April 2011 (BST)

   (NPOV comment: Papa Moloch has slapped poor Mallrat around like a boss) --Karloth Vois ^¯\(°_o)/¯ 16:54, 3 April 2011 (BST)

   Arguments left unrefuted: that CK wasn't funny; that most UD players don't use the wiki; that even Cornhole generated more drama; that CK did nothing new as a PKer group; and that their in-game impact was minor. Moloch's had plenty of chances to come up with arguments rather than hysterical insults, and fluffed his lines every time. As I've said to Karek elsewhere, this has already had more attention from me than it deserves, so I'll leave Moloch to write another rambling essay if he wants.--Mallrat ^{TSI TKS CTD} 17:08, 3 April 2011 (BST)

9. No--tyx94 22:48, 28 March 2011 (BST)
10. No- I never would have heard of them if not for the wiki, metagame drama hardly seems basis for historical status - Legion8 05:58, 30 March 2011 (BST)

    isn't that the point of the wiki? way to contradict yo'self -- The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking

    

    bitch 11:31 31 March 2011 (UTC)

    -It's hardly a contradiction, I just think a group has to have actually done something in game to be 'historical'.Legion8 05:52, 2 April 2011 (BST)

    first learn how to indent. second read the bid, and our talk page, and bounties and get back to me.-- The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking

    

    bitch 12:36 2 April 2011 (UTC)

    I've seen them, but I still don't think it's basis for historical status. Legion8 05:13, 3 April 2011 (BST)

11. No- as Mallrat and Asheets.-Obi ^{+ Talk!|TZH|MDK} 22:10, 30 March 2011 (BST)
12. No - For the same reason Moloch voted no on the FOD’s bid: The CK "were undoubtedly good, but for me an historical group needs to have made a difference to the game itself. Sadly I don't think that they achieved that." Polarizing the metagame doesn’t change the way the game is played, in my opinion, nor does coordinating themed strikes. It’s true that I didn’t find the CK’s satire particularly funny or effective, but I never questioned their right to exist. They are a highly intelligent, articulate, legitimate group of UD players. But not historical. --Paddy Dignam^{IS DEAD} 23:50, 31 March 2011 (BST)
13. No - I almost want to vote Yes to counter the they're offensive and therefore not historical argument. But from a more reasoned standpoint, I agree with Paddy. Trolling like this is fun for the whole family and they deserve a small share of our appreciation for bringing creativity and discussion to the game, just like any other group. But they were never large, they were only moderately organized, and they didn't impact the population ratio. --VVV ^RPMBG 02:35, 1 April 2011 (BST)
14. No As Karek. -- Thadeous Oakley Talk 20:46, 1 April 2011 (BST)
15. No As Karek. Trolls are a dime a dozen, and I only remember this group because they were trollbait (on the wiki). Otherwise, as pkers, they came, they killed, they got killed, and then they promptly left when they realized citizens in the suburb ignored them. --Private Mark 21:04, 2 April 2011 (BST)
16. ^ --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 21:52, 2 April 2011 (BST)
17. As AHLG and TripleU. Only reason I remember them was because of their offensive nature (which doesn't make them ahistorial, but it doesn't automatically make them historical, either.) Linkthewindow  Talk  13:58, 5 April 2011 (BST)
18. No - Who? I reckon you have to make an impact to be historical, and they made no impact on me or anybody I game with.--Heneage 20:11, 5 April 2011 (BST)

    it might help if you played the game for more than a few months, and actually read the wiki. ya think?-- The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking

    

    bitch 08:31 6 April 2011 (UTC)

    Yet funnily enough, doing both of those still made them an irrelevance. What a surprise.--Heneage 19:44, 6 April 2011 (BST)

19. No as per most of the above Sanpedro 13:36, 6 April 2011 (BST)
20. No - As Karek, but with less of an edge. You seem like a fine group and I've got nothing against you, rather I'm unfamiliar with your in-game historical achievements.--_GANG Giles Sednik _CAPD 15:57, 8 April 2011 (BST)
21. No- Shock value isn't historical and opens the door to other trolls --Marc Andreas 10:02, 10 April 2011 (BST)

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