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The Brotherhood

No Edits since april 2007, No sign of activity.--Nimrod1 18:35, 30 August 2007 (BST)

1. Keep - In before jorm! --The Grimch ^Sysop-U! 23:41, 30 August 2007 (BST)
2. Keep - Groups shouldn't be deleted. --Karek^maps?! 04:02, 31 August 2007 (BST)
3. Keep - Crit 12 is awful --~~~~_T^''' 07:11, 31 August 2007 (BST)
4. Keep - Meh, not that stale. --Max Grivas ^{JG / M.F.T.} 07:22, 6 September 2007 (BST)
5. Keep - as Karek --Barbecue Barbecue 00:46, 8 September 2007 (BST)
6. Keep --Jorm 03:06, 8 September 2007 (BST)
7. Delete - Gone after few edits. --^T 16:19, 11 September 2007 (BST)
8. Delete - Copyright violation, cites portions of [1] without proper references. --Tumu 22:05, 11 September 2007 (BST)

Kept The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talk • contribs) at 13:31 16 September 2007 (BST)

Possum Posse

Moved from the Crit 12 speedy deletion queue as required to due to non creator keep vote- Vantar 15:52, 30 August 2007 (BST)

1. delete no edits since dec 06 Asheets 17:45, 30 August 2007 (BST)
2. Keep - disk space = cheep!--Jorm 17:49, 30 August 2007 (BST)
3. Keep - As above --The Grimch ^Sysop-U! 23:43, 30 August 2007 (BST)
4. Keep - Groups shouldn't be deleted. --Karek^maps?! 04:02, 31 August 2007 (BST)
5. Keep - Crit 12 is awful --~~~~_T^''' 07:11, 31 August 2007 (BST)
6. Speedy Delete - And they had a silly abbreviation. --Max Grivas ^{JG / M.F.T.} 07:21, 6 September 2007 (BST)
7. Delete - Infrequent edits. --^T 16:19, 11 September 2007 (BST)
8. Delete - Crit 1 and 9. One man groups are better served under user pages. --Tumu 21:59, 11 September 2007 (BST)

Kept The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talk • contribs) at 13:31 16 September 2007 (BST)

The Brotherhood of Life

Moved from the Crit 12 speedy deletion queue as required to due to non creator keep vote- Vantar 15:52, 30 August 2007 (BST)

1. delete no edits since dec 06 Asheets 17:45, 30 August 2007 (BST)
2. Keep - disk space = cheep!--Jorm 17:49, 30 August 2007 (BST)
3. Keep - As above --The Grimch ^Sysop-U! 23:43, 30 August 2007 (BST)
4. Keep - Groups shouldn't be deleted. --Karek^maps?! 04:02, 31 August 2007 (BST)
5. Keep - Crit 12 is awful --~~~~_T^''' 07:11, 31 August 2007 (BST)
6. Keep - Cites its sources. --Max Grivas ^{JG / M.F.T.} 07:19, 6 September 2007 (BST)
7. Delete - Abandoned after 2 days. --^T 16:19, 11 September 2007 (BST)
8. Delete - 2 day stub. Off-topic? Copyright violation? Author moved off to another group (see the contribs). --Tumu 21:55, 11 September 2007 (BST)

Kept The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talk • contribs) at 13:31 16 September 2007 (BST)

Veterans of Fort Creedy

Moved from the Crit 12 speedy deletion queue as required to due to non creator keep vote- Vantar 15:52, 30 August 2007 (BST)

1. delete no edits since dec 06 Asheets 17:45, 30 August 2007 (BST)
2. Keep - disk space = cheep!--Jorm 17:49, 30 August 2007 (BST)
3. Keep - As above --The Grimch ^Sysop-U! 23:43, 30 August 2007 (BST)
4. Keep - Groups shouldn't be deleted. --Karek^maps?! 04:02, 31 August 2007 (BST)
5. Keep - Crit 12 is awful --~~~~_T^''' 07:11, 31 August 2007 (BST)
6. Keep - Rocking chairs were made for the porch. --Max Grivas ^{JG / M.F.T.} 07:18, 6 September 2007 (BST)
7. Delete --^T 16:19, 11 September 2007 (BST)

Kept The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talk • contribs) at 13:31 16 September 2007 (BST)

Zombie Inquisition

Moved from the Crit 12 speedy deletion queue as required to due to non creator keep vote- Vantar 15:52, 30 August 2007 (BST)

1. delete no edits since dec 06 Asheets 17:46, 30 August 2007 (BST)
2. Keep - disk space = cheep!--Jorm 17:49, 30 August 2007 (BST)
3. Keep - As above --The Grimch ^Sysop-U! 23:43, 30 August 2007 (BST)
4. Keep - Groups shouldn't be deleted. --Karek^maps?! 04:02, 31 August 2007 (BST)
5. Keep - Crit 12 is awful --~~~~_T^''' 07:11, 31 August 2007 (BST)
6. Speedy Delete - Zie Speling. --Max Grivas ^{JG / M.F.T.} 07:17, 6 September 2007 (BST)
7. Delete - Only 1 edit. --^T 16:19, 11 September 2007 (BST)
8. Delete - Nobody expects the deletions police either! 1 day stub, author gone after page creation = spam = crit 1. --Tumu 22:13, 11 September 2007 (BST)

Kept The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talk • contribs) at 13:31 16 September 2007 (BST)

TheScorpionGroup

Moved from the Crit 12 speedy deletion queue as required to due to non creator keep vote- Vantar 15:52, 30 August 2007 (BST)

1. delete no edits since dec 06. Though I might be inclined to change my vote if this were nominated for historical status Asheets 17:46, 30 August 2007 (BST)
2. Keep - disk space = cheep!--Jorm 17:49, 30 August 2007 (BST)
3. Keep - As above --The Grimch ^Sysop-U! 23:43, 30 August 2007 (BST)
4. Keep - Groups shouldn't be deleted. --Karek^maps?! 04:02, 31 August 2007 (BST)
5. Keep - Crit 12 is awful --~~~~_T^''' 07:11, 31 August 2007 (BST)
6. Speedy Delete Crit 12. --Max Grivas ^{JG / M.F.T.} 07:15, 6 September 2007 (BST)
7. Delete - Infrequent edits. --^T 16:19, 11 September 2007 (BST)
8. Delete - Is this and Possum Posse some sort of personal drama? That belongs in talk pages. One man group, crit 9. --Tumu 22:18, 11 September 2007 (BST)

Kept The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talk • contribs) at 13:31 16 September 2007 (BST)

SPIDERMAN

Moved from the Crit 12 speedy deletion queue as required to due to non creator keep vote- Vantar 15:52, 30 August 2007 (BST)

1. delete no edits since dec 06 Asheets 17:47, 30 August 2007 (BST)
2. Keep - disk space = cheep!--Jorm 17:49, 30 August 2007 (BST)
3. Keep - As above --The Grimch ^Sysop-U! 23:43, 30 August 2007 (BST)
4. Keep - Groups shouldn't be deleted. --Karek^maps?! 04:02, 31 August 2007 (BST)
5. Keep - Crit 12 is awful --~~~~_T^''' 07:11, 31 August 2007 (BST)
6. Keep - Proves Akule is an idiot. --Max Grivas ^{JG / M.F.T.} 07:13, 6 September 2007 (BST)
7. Delete --^T 16:19, 11 September 2007 (BST)

Kept The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talk • contribs) at 13:31 16 September 2007 (BST)

WLES

Moved from the Crit 12 speedy deletion queue as required to due to non creator keep vote- Vantar 23:33, 28 August 2007 (BST)

1. Speedy Delete No value, no edits, little content. --Tumu 02:24, 29 August 2007 (BST)
2. Keep -The Grimch ^Sysop-U! 10:54, 29 August 2007 (BST)
3. speedy delete Asheets 17:06, 29 August 2007 (BST)
4. Keep - Crit 12 is awfull --~~~~_T^''' 14:02, 30 August 2007 (BST)
5. Keep - disk space = cheep!--Jorm 17:49, 30 August 2007 (BST)
6. Keep - Groups shouldn't be deleted. --Karek^maps?! 04:02, 31 August 2007 (BST)
7. Speedy Delete - Smells like PH. --Max Grivas ^{JG / M.F.T.} 07:11, 6 September 2007 (BST)
8. Delete - not a group, again, but a stub of a page anyway The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talk • contribs) at 15:06 6 September 2007 (BST)
9. Delete - Stub. --^T 16:19, 11 September 2007 (BST)

Deleted --^T 20:13, 13 September 2007 (BST)

Craske Building International Playboys

Moved from the Crit 12 speedy deletion queue as required to due to non creator keep vote- Vantar 23:33, 28 August 2007 (BST)

1. Speedy Delete Yet another dead group. --Tumu 02:28, 29 August 2007 (BST)
2. Keep -The Grimch ^Sysop-U! 10:54, 29 August 2007 (BST)
3. speedy delete no edits since 2006. Asheets 17:07, 29 August 2007 (BST)
4. Keep - Crit 12 is awfull --~~~~_T^''' 14:02, 30 August 2007 (BST)
5. Keep - disk space = cheep!--Jorm 17:49, 30 August 2007 (BST)
6. Keep - Groups shouldn't be deleted. --Karek^maps?! 04:02, 31 August 2007 (BST)
7. Keep - Rabbits don't smoke? --Max Grivas ^{JG / M.F.T.} 07:10, 6 September 2007 (BST)
8. Delete --^T 16:19, 11 September 2007 (BST)
9. Speedy Delete - no edits since 2006 The man 16:38, 13 September 2007 (BST)

Kept --^T 20:13, 13 September 2007 (BST)

Knights of St. Jude

Moved from the Crit 12 speedy deletion queue as required to due to non creator keep vote- Vantar 23:33, 28 August 2007 (BST)

1. Speedy Delete Yet another dead group. --Tumu 02:29, 29 August 2007 (BST)
2. Keep -The Grimch ^Sysop-U! 10:54, 29 August 2007 (BST)
3. speedy delete no edits since 2006. Asheets 17:07, 29 August 2007 (BST)
4. Keep - Crit 12 is awfull --~~~~_T^''' 14:02, 30 August 2007 (BST)
5. Keep - disk space = cheep!--Jorm 17:49, 30 August 2007 (BST)
6. Keep - Groups shouldn't be deleted. --Karek^maps?! 04:02, 31 August 2007 (BST)
7. Keep - Active. On the stats page. Exempt. --Max Grivas ^{JG / M.F.T.} 07:08, 6 September 2007 (BST)
8. Keep - Active. --^T 16:19, 11 September 2007 (BST)
9. Keep - This group IS active. Mr Kennedy 04:36, 12 September 2007 (BST)

Kept --^T 20:13, 13 September 2007 (BST)

Gibsonton Proeliatorate

Moved from the Crit 12 speedy deletion queue as required to due to non creator keep vote- Vantar 23:33, 28 August 2007 (BST)

1. Speedy Delete Yet another dead group. Even their forums are dead (no answered posts in months). --Tumu 02:35, 29 August 2007 (BST)
2. Keep -The Grimch ^Sysop-U! 10:54, 29 August 2007 (BST)
3. speedy delete no edits since 2006. Asheets 17:08, 29 August 2007 (BST)
4. Keep - Crit 12 is awfull --~~~~_T^''' 14:02, 30 August 2007 (BST)
5. Keep - disk space = cheep!--Jorm 17:49, 30 August 2007 (BST)
6. Keep - Groups shouldn't be deleted. --Karek^maps?! 04:02, 31 August 2007 (BST)
7. Keep - I wish he would come back. Did loads of Maltel/Wiki work. --Max Grivas ^{JG / M.F.T.} 07:08, 6 September 2007 (BST)
8. Keep - Well put together, and long edit history The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talk • contribs) at 15:02 6 September 2007 (BST)

Kept --^T 20:13, 13 September 2007 (BST)

Squad Zulu

Moved from the Crit 12 speedy deletion queue as required to due to non creator keep vote- Vantar 23:33, 28 August 2007 (BST)

1. Delete I think someone mentioned that some of them might be around, maybe historical as well? Are they lucky enough? --Tumu 02:40, 29 August 2007 (BST)
2. Keep -The Grimch ^Sysop-U! 10:54, 29 August 2007 (BST)
3. speedy delete no edits since 2006. I'll change my vote to historical if they are nominated Asheets 17:08, 29 August 2007 (BST)
4. Keep - Historical and should be put up for historical if I knew how. --Sonny Corleone ^{RRF DORIS CRF pr0n} 02:04, 30 August 2007 (BST)
5. Keep I tried to put it up for Historical, but it got shot down, since it was one of the first groups in Malton (July-August 2005 started up, died June 2006) everyone voted that they hadn't heard of it. In fact, Squad Zulu was one of the first groups in UD, and was the beginning Strike Team of the Council of Leaders. --YuriRuler90 02:09, 30 August 2007 (BST)
6. Keep - Crit 12 is awfull --~~~~_T^''' 14:02, 30 August 2007 (BST)
7. Keep - disk space = cheep!--Jorm 17:49, 30 August 2007 (BST)
8. Keep - Groups shouldn't be deleted. Also, member of historical group/s, they should be historical themselves. --Karek^maps?! 04:02, 31 August 2007 (BST)
9. Keep - What Sonny said. --Max Grivas ^{JG / M.F.T.} 07:04, 6 September 2007 (BST)
10. Keep - Part of CoL. --^T 16:19, 11 September 2007 (BST)

Kept --^T 20:13, 13 September 2007 (BST)

Malton Travel

Moved from the Crit 12 speedy deletion queue as required to due to non creator keep vote- Vantar 23:33, 28 August 2007 (BST)

1. Speedy Delete Yet another dead group. Even the website on group leaders profiles has expired. Plus all edits in one day. --Tumu 02:43, 29 August 2007 (BST)
2. Keep -The Grimch ^Sysop-U! 10:54, 29 August 2007 (BST)
3. speedy delete no edits since 2006. Asheets 17:09, 29 August 2007 (BST)
4. Keep - Crit 12 is awfull --~~~~_T^''' 14:02, 30 August 2007 (BST)
5. Keep - disk space = cheep!--Jorm 17:49, 30 August 2007 (BST)
6. Keep - Groups shouldn't be deleted. --Karek^maps?! 04:02, 31 August 2007 (BST)
7. Speedy Delete - We're going places! But not too far.. --Max Grivas ^{JG / M.F.T.} 07:03, 6 September 2007 (BST)
8. Delete - Created and abandoned in 20 minutes The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talk • contribs) at 14:59 6 September 2007 (BST)
9. Delete - What boxy said. --^T 16:19, 11 September 2007 (BST)

Deleted --^T 20:13, 13 September 2007 (BST)

Ordo Lividus Crucis

Moved from the Crit 12 speedy deletion queue as required to due to non creator keep vote- Vantar 23:33, 28 August 2007 (BST)

1. Speedy Delete Dead group with no estalished leaders? Forum link dead as well. No valuable content. --Tumu 02:45, 29 August 2007 (BST)
2. Keep -The Grimch ^Sysop-U! 10:54, 29 August 2007 (BST)
3. speedy delete no edits since 2006. Asheets 17:09, 29 August 2007 (BST)
4. Keep - Crit 12 is awfull --~~~~_T^''' 14:02, 30 August 2007 (BST)
5. Keep - disk space = cheep!--Jorm 17:49, 30 August 2007 (BST)
6. Keep - Groups shouldn't be deleted. --Karek^maps?! 04:02, 31 August 2007 (BST)
7. Speedy Delete - patterned loosely upon losers. --Max Grivas ^{JG / M.F.T.} 07:02, 6 September 2007 (BST)
8. Delete - a stubbish page The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talk • contribs) at 14:57 6 September 2007 (BST)
9. Delete --^T 16:19, 11 September 2007 (BST)

Deleted --^T 20:13, 13 September 2007 (BST)

Virtua Ultimo Mo Fo's Turbo Allstars Unlimited

Moved from the Crit 12 speedy deletion queue as required to due to non creator keep vote- Vantar 23:33, 28 August 2007 (BST)

1. Delete Seem to be alive, why have they let their page go stale? Let's see if they show up.. --Tumu 02:50, 29 August 2007 (BST)
2. Keep -The Grimch ^Sysop-U! 10:54, 29 August 2007 (BST)
3. speedy delete no edits since 2006. Asheets 17:10, 29 August 2007 (BST)
4. Keep - Crit 12 is awfull --~~~~_T^''' 14:02, 30 August 2007 (BST)
5. 'Keep there on the stats page and they are active - Vantar 15:47, 30 August 2007 (BST)
6. Keep - disk space = cheep!--Jorm 17:49, 30 August 2007 (BST)
7. Keep The page is not stale, it's still quite relevant. As a reference source it serves it's purpose. Because we are quite a consistent group there simply hasn't been a need to update or change anything. All our discussions and adventures are documented our forum which has a link on our wiki. If you would prefer, I will keep updating the active members every week if that will prevent future speedy deletes. Many thanks and thank you to everyone who voted to keep. Lesterunlimited 21:59, 30 August 2007 (BST)

   This type of speedy deletion request is on the way out it seems, however it is advisable to update once a month or so, just so people know you're still active The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talk • contribs) at 14:56 6 September 2007 (BST)

8. Keep - Groups shouldn't be deleted. --Karek^maps?! 04:02, 31 August 2007 (BST)
9. Keep - #Speedy Delete - LOL! Someone recently posted a revive request to their forum. Spreads misinformation. About the only thing I do like about Crit 12. Maybe Category:Groups Gone instead. --Max Grivas ^{JG / M.F.T.} 07:01, 6 September 2007 (BST) Floating on and off stats. --Max Grivas ^{JG / M.F.T.} 22:45, 11 September 2007 (BST)
10. Keep - Active The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talk • contribs) at 14:56 6 September 2007 (BST)
11. Keep - On the stats page. --^T 16:19, 11 September 2007 (BST)

Kept --^T 20:13, 13 September 2007 (BST)

The M.A.I.M. Society

Moved from the Crit 12 speedy deletion queue as required to due to non creator keep vote- Vantar 23:33, 28 August 2007 (BST)

1. Speedy Delete Disbanded group and remaining members moved to another group. --Tumu 02:53, 29 August 2007 (BST)
2. Keep -The Grimch ^Sysop-U! 10:54, 29 August 2007 (BST)
3. speedy delete no edits since 2006. Asheets 17:10, 29 August 2007 (BST)
4. Keep - Crit 12 is awfull --~~~~_T^''' 14:02, 30 August 2007 (BST)
5. Keep - disk space = cheep!--Jorm 17:49, 30 August 2007 (BST)
6. Keep - Groups shouldn't be deleted. --Karek^maps?! 04:02, 31 August 2007 (BST)
7. Speedy Delete - Who? --Max Grivas ^{JG / M.F.T.} 06:56, 6 September 2007 (BST)
8. Delete --^T 16:19, 11 September 2007 (BST)

Kept --^T 20:13, 13 September 2007 (BST)

Malton Radio and Telegraph

Moved from the Crit 12 speedy deletion queue as required to due to non creator keep vote- Vantar 23:33, 28 August 2007 (BST)

1. Speedy Delete Dead group, dead forums. --Tumu 02:54, 29 August 2007 (BST)
2. Keep -The Grimch ^Sysop-U! 10:54, 29 August 2007 (BST)
3. speedy delete no edits since 2006. Asheets 17:11, 29 August 2007 (BST)
4. Keep - Crit 12 is awfull --~~~~_T^''' 14:02, 30 August 2007 (BST)
5. Keep - disk space = cheep!--Jorm 17:49, 30 August 2007 (BST)
6. Keep - Groups shouldn't be deleted. --Karek^maps?! 04:02, 31 August 2007 (BST)
7. Delete - Started out of boredom. Neglected out of boredom. --Max Grivas ^{JG / M.F.T.} 06:54, 6 September 2007 (BST)
8. Delete --^T 16:19, 11 September 2007 (BST)

Kept --^T 20:13, 13 September 2007 (BST)

Offensive Suggestion

This is highly discriminatory, and offensive. Being that offensive has got to violate SOME rule. Normal offensiveness? Anything but outright insults on a religion? Sure. But that's an outright insult, and discrimination. Nalikill 23:26, 27 August 2007 (BST)

1. Keep - Lol, it's great (and fits in so well with some people I know). Anyway don't get your panties in a knot, it's just some harmless fun. There are much worse things in this world then this humorous suggestion. I'm sure that God doesn't mind. - If Jedaz = 01:30, 28 August 2007 (BST) then pi = 2 + 1
2. Keep - If you're offended by jokes don't go to the jokes section.--Karek^maps?! 02:07, 28 August 2007 (BST)
3. Delete - No, I'm not even Christian per se, but this humorous suggestion isn't even funny, not mentioning worth being kept here. To mock creationism could be accomplished in a much classier way, IMHO. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^YRC☺T☺+1 02:14, 28 August 2007 (BST)
4. Keep - I like it. --The Hierophant 02:58, 28 August 2007 (BST)
5. Keep - I think you just can't take it. You freaked out when Grim told you to get the fuck out. --User:Axe27/Sig 03:00, 28 August 2007 (BST)
6. Keep - This is awesome. And true. --Jorm 03:04, 28 August 2007 (BST)
7. Keep - Funneh. Very funneh. - Crystal ^C-Kids
8. Delete --~~~~_T^''' 10:44, 28 August 2007 (BST)
9. Author - Firstly, You messaged me, naikill after I posted the suggestion asking to sort this out as adults, I rather assumed that didn't involve getting moderators involved. I may have misunderstood, but it would have been nice if you had informed me that you where putting this up for deletion.

   Secondly, I am not mocking christians in this. I am mocking a very small minority of people who call themselves christians and then go on to act in the most unchristian way imaginable, by intimidating and scaring people away from anything they don't agree with (Being gay, getting an abortion, sex before marrige, women actualy being threated as equals, ever.) While I realsise people have different veiws to me, I also understand that terror tactics are not the way to support your veiws. The people I am taking the piss out of are the minority who use various political powers and terror tactics to try and turn large areas of America and Western European countries into "christian" fundamentalist states. And They're very scary. That's why I mock them whenever I can, and will continue to do so. I am not attacking the teachings of christ, (wheter or not he was the messiah, he was certianly a good bloke with some great ideas) I am not attcking the vast magority of people who are christians, I am attcking the people who use christianity to attack gay people, women and anybody who wants to think at all.

   I am very sorry If I offended anyone, and I have now added an extra disclaimer to the suggestion in the hopes I don't offend anyone who doesn't deserve to be offended.--Seventythree 12:07, 28 August 2007 (BST)

   If by 'scare' you mean 'persuade, ask, beg, and do anything in my power to get' then I do the EXACT SAME THING with ALL of those- except women's equality, as ALL of those but the women's equality parts are in the bible. If need be, I CAN quote scripture, however, I AM a part of the minority you are offending, as I said. I evangelize- but I don't seek to violate seperation of Church and State. If that's all you're saying- that you're pro seperation of church and state- then say so, rather than including evangelicals. Nalikill 20:48, 28 August 2007 (BST)

   Then clearly my suggestion was not meant to offend you then. Got no problem with evangelicalists. Got a whole load of problem with certain christian groups who go round trying to get certain laws passed that direclty favour their religion over that of the rights and the needs of society. Examples include: Pressuring schools into teaching creationism as a science. Telling people that being gay will get them on hells "most wanted" list. and so forth. So yes, you're quite right, The problem I have is with people who use genuine terror tactics and political/economic pressure to force others to follow their religion, people who bomb abortion clinics, for example, or pressure the goverment to close them down. I have no problem with people who merely wish to practice their religion, or even wish to convert other people to their religion. I hope that the added disclaimer I put on the suggestion is acceptable, but I'm afraid that's all im doing. Clearly, from what you have told me, I'm not even talking about your religion.--Seventythree 21:14, 28 August 2007 (BST)

10. Keep - i am a christian, and i aprove this message.--'BP^Tmz 20:05, 28 August 2007 (BST)
11. Keep - Turn the other cheek brother... --Ryiis 21:43, 28 August 2007 (BST)
12. Keep - Grow the fuck up you whining baby. Maybe try to find a sense of humour while you're at it. There is nothing wrong with mocking religion. Why should it get a free pass? Because you like it? Well, i like Ice Cream, but i dont take it to the moderators when someone knocks my Neopolitan. This is an abuse of this page too. This page is for the deletion of entire pages (Ie, using the moderators delete page tab) rather than pruning stuff off a page. If you really, really hate it that much, take it up on the talk page of the page in question, and if you cannot resolve the matter there, and only then, take it to arbitration. But stop shitting up actual administration pages with junk that isnt supposed to be here. --The Grimch ^Sysop-U! 02:29, 29 August 2007 (BST)
13. Keep - I once fucked jesus. And came inside of him. It was great.--Thari ^{TжFedCom is BFI!} 03:15, 29 August 2007 (BST)
14. Keep - Son, you needs tah get yer pants outta a bunch. Takin' things too serious is bad fer yer health. Besides, it's funny. And 73 has a point, there are a few people in all religions that take things too far. My advice? Stop taking things so seriously. If there is a god, he's probably laughing at all of us over this. Hell, I can guarantee that the guy would be laughing. Seeing all the shit people do "in his name", and then seeing the fuss being made over this, he'd probably be thinking "What the fuck is this guy's problem? If he really has an issue with people being offending to this religion, then why the hell hasn't he started WW III against all the assholes of the world?" This is of course only applies if there is a god. If not...Who the hell cares? Go play in the sand or something. By the way...Grim? Neapolitan sucks. Mint choco-chip is where it's at!-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 10:34, 29 August 2007 (BST)

    While i recognise and appreciate mint chocolate chip, i have to say that the variety offered by neoplolitan overshadows the minto goodness. Also, if one day you dont feel like one of the flavours, you can avoid it, unlike in mint choc chip, where if i want mint without the chocolate chips, i have no option but to go to the shops and see if i can dig some out of their freezers. --The Grimch ^Sysop-U! 10:52, 29 August 2007 (BST)

    Fools! you are both wrong! Lemon sorbet with double chocolate in a double cone is clearly superiour to your lesser "Ice creams"--Seventythree 11:48, 29 August 2007 (BST)

15. keep - Its funny and really not worth all this fuss. It certainly doesn't merit some of the offensive and provocative responses above tho. However 1) creationism is taught in schools, its under religious education because science deals in evidence not belief. 2) The bible does attack womens rights, i can get references if you want but frankly i would be suprised if you were not already aware of them! --Honestmistake 17:20, 29 August 2007 (BST)

    Of corse I am, but bear in mind that my comments where not realy aimed at the bible, or christians as such, merely the people who use their so called "faith" to impose their hatred on others. THe ones who twist religion to suit their own desires. And they do attack women's rights. And the rights of everyone to actually think for themselves. I think this is where mine and Naikill's little dispute has started. A simple case of misunderstanding, which, I am pleased to say we are both working on a solution to.--Seventythree 21:02, 29 August 2007 (BST)

    I have seen bits (most) of your discourse and frankly if it wasn't for the fact that he seems a reasonable person my response would be far more offensive! I whole heartedly support Naikill's right to believe whatever the hell he wants and his right to proslytise, however I also defend everyones right to question his beliefs and poke fun at them! Frankly if the truth of those beliefs are so easily discredited it is a service to those believers to make them give carefull consideration to them! Creationism is frankly nonsense as it cannot explain solid evidence away.... that however is not to say that ID may not have some merit! This however is a game forum and religious arguements cannot but turn to rancor so are probably best left alone. --Honestmistake 23:35, 29 August 2007 (BST)

    Of course Nalikill is still mostly wrong (as dinosaurs prove) but as a supporter of evolution i must point out that (as far as survival of the species is concerned he has a point about gays :D) Kiss, Kiss, Hug, Hug ;)--Honestmistake 23:40, 29 August 2007 (BST)

    Well, that might have had an implication on the survival of the species when there where, like 4000 humans around, or on a tribe that lives on the edge of catastrophe that needs every member it can get, but nowadays? Nah. I gotta disagree with anyone who says that being gay isn't ok.--Seventythree 23:49, 29 August 2007 (BST)

    ID is just Creationism wrapped up in a brand new wrapper. It throws people for a minute, then they see how fucking stupid it is. If we were intelligently designed, why do so many peoples eyes suck? Chronic masturbation? How intelligent was it to have the nerve web that picks up signals from our retina on the inside surface of the retina? (Basically, the light has to pass through it to get to the light sensitive cells. This is also what leads to our blind spot. Another creature, the octopus, has an eye that has evolved almost exactly the same, but with the nerves on the more intelligent side). How about ectopic pregnancy? Lots and lots and lots of terrible engineering in our bodies. ID sucks and is wrong from the get go. Fucking edit conflicts. --The Grimch ^Sysop-U! 23:52, 29 August 2007 (BST)

    What I don't get is why some christain groups are so againgst evolution. Surely if God is all powerfull then She/He/It has just been using evolution as a tool to create people and the world? that makes far more sense to me.--Seventythree 23:56, 29 August 2007 (BST)

    Doesnt work like that. Look up just how many serious design flaws we have in us. They are stupid designs. We have too many teeth, for example. Our pelvis is still set in the shape needed to be a knuckle dragger, and our upright posture is the result of a bend in our spine. The Testes develop inside the body, and then migrate outwards, leaving at least two weak points. Congenital defects. Geeze, i would be ashamed to call myself any kind of designer if i had done the human race. I certainly wouldnt admit i had done it. --The Grimch ^Sysop-U! 00:02, 30 August 2007 (BST)

    Maybe we're not perfect, there's genetic defects, sure, and eventualy your own body will probably turn on in itself, and the human psyche is deeply flawed, we get angry too quickly, are all too eager to follow the herd ect. But maybe that's the point? A bit of a challenge, you know? Like, if a divine being can create humans, flawed as they are and gently guide them to being better than they are designed to be then that's the whole point.--Seventythree 00:12, 30 August 2007 (BST)

    Well, that certainly rules out omnibenevolence... not taht the problem of evil hadnt already. --The Grimch ^Sysop-U! 00:27, 30 August 2007 (BST)

    good and evil can only ever exist in people, because we have the potenetial for both. Basic argumet, I know, but true. Also can be seen to explain the necessity for a devil figure. God and the devil are representaitons of good and evil, but as god (apparently) cannot commit evil, and the devil cannot commit good neither are actualy good or evil.--Seventythree 00:33, 30 August 2007 (BST)

    I find people who believe they can make anything true by defining it so it is true to be silly, and weak on the subject of actual debate skills. Saying good cannot exist without evil is silly, as there is no way to quantify either, and it is quite easy to visualise a world where people are physically incapable of considering evil, though it would require some changes from what we have now. I find that the very fact i can imagine a world where the "good cant exist without evil" rule is false, i undermine the entire attempt to define it in such a way. People also try to define free will as the ability to choose between good and evil, but thats also stupid, as all free will implies is the ability to make a choice, the outcome of which is unknown by any entity until after the choice, and regardless of those choices arbitrary moral status. No, the whole devil thing is merely a scapegoat created by religious leaders to blame the less likable aspects of the world, and human nature on, rather than accept that their gods are fallable. You will notice that in polytheistic religions, there was no real concept of a devil. There were individual monsters, spawned by one god or another in a game between them, but there was no evil maniac living underground. Have a look at Hades for an example. --The Grimch ^Sysop-U! 04:21, 30 August 2007 (BST)

    I was under the impression that we where discussing western abrahamic religions, but yes you are right, panthaeic gods are a lot more interesting! The greek gods for example don't seem to exist by any moral code, and routinely commit acts of terrible revenge and great kindness almost simaltaniously! You could consider the development of the evil in monotheistic religions as the creation of another god, in a way. After all, most monotheistic gods seem to represent good, almost wholy, and people do require an explaination for evil, and whoops! only one god! So they create another (less powerfull) divine being to represent that. Another interesting point to note is the creation (or rather adaptation) of the old pantheonic gods into new rules. This is uslualy done by the creation of divine beings more powerfull than humans, less powerfull than god. The jews and christains have angels, the Muslims had the Djinn (and also angels I beleive). The new angels take on the roles of the old gods, For example the angel Michael takes on the aspects of Hermes, god of medicine and travelers. Anyway, much as I am enjoying this conversation, It is getting rather long! Maybe we should transferr it to one of our talkpages?--Seventythree 18:50, 31 August 2007 (BST)

    my thinking is simple. acording to hardcore christains, god knows everything right? so god must know the future. if he knows the future he knows what someone is going to do. which means the future must already be set. so everyones actions are already made. so how can god judge someone over something we have no control over?--'BP^Tmz 19:19, 31 August 2007 (BST)

    You've just put your finger on the entire free will vs determinism debate, there. --Seventythree 22:48, 31 August 2007 (BST)

    Actually, the concept of Djinni were around in the area pre-islam, and were picked up and absorbed as the Islamic people moved into the area. It is part of how religious develop. They steal good ideas from other traditional beliefs, or other compatable religions for theor own. It also helps with the conversions of others to your beliefs (You can see a similiar change with Christianity moving into europe, and running over the Greco-roman belief system. Read Dante's Divine comedy for an example, hell, you dont even need to, just look up some excerpts and you will see how much of an influence those religious had at the time, though now those influences have somewhat died away). In any case, my divergence onto the case of Polytheism was to show that the concept of evil as having a force behind it has not always existed, and that it is relatively new on the scene.

    As for the argument Blood Panther povided, that is indeed the case, though a great many people argue that the illusion of choice from the perspective of the person making the choice is enough. I find this to be utterly preposterous myself. It is an illusion, not an actual choice. Anyway, Omnipotence and Omniscience are mutually exclusive. How? Can an Omniscient god, in his omnipotence, find the power to change his future mind? --The Grimch ^Sysop-U! 23:37, 31 August 2007 (BST)

    You certainly can see the absorbsion of pagan faiths into the christan faith, such examples being the winter solstace festivals being repalced with christmas, lughlanassad being replaced with whichever saint'sday it is in august (I forget which) and Sahmain (pronounced souween, apparently) replaced with all hallow's eve. Personaly I don't realy beleive that people back in the dark ages where any more or less supersitious or religious. BAck then the church was jsut another landlord who you had to pay fealty to once a week. Some of the groups in the christian and abrahamic faiths have maintained that god is omnipotent only with relevance to human understanding. Others maintain that there is some masterplan that god has laid out, that only (s)he knows. And as for your comment on the illusion of choice, that illusion is very real indeed. If you think that you made the right choice, or the wrong choice, regardless of whether you did, or not you still made that choice. A hypotheical situation: You are told that you have an incurable deziese. (this is hypothetical). You have been kidnapped by some wacko doctor, who offers you the cure (and your life) in exchange for you presing a button which will kill someone. The button, of course does not kill anyone, you are merely shown faked images of someone dying. In a very real way, alt least to you you have commited murder, even if it was just in your head. You had no way of knowing ot was a setup, does it make it any less of a crime jsur because there was no real victim? The intent was there, after all. Look up the work of a man called Stanley Milgrim (a psychologist) who experimented with just how far the average person will go just becasue someone in an authorative position told them to. --Seventythree 17:30, 1 September 2007 (BST)

    Um, Omnipotent according to human understanding is powerful enough to do anything, regardless. Thats kind of a strange way to say exactly the same thing in an attempt to weasel out of something. And omniscience pertains to knowing absolutely everything about everything, including your thoughts, feelings and opinions way in advance of even your birth. You run down the direct line of history, and while you may perceive choices down the line, because your future is pre-ordained, you have absolutely no choice in how you think, or feel, or act. You are a mindless automaton marching to a tune set eons before your birth. This has absolutely nothing to do with your analogy, as, unfortunately for you, there is an actual choice present in your example, rather than there being no choice at all, and just a perception of a choice. Remember, how you feel about it is also pre-ordained by the omniscient being. How you think has also be done, Thats what it means. All knowing. If there is an omniscient being, humanity is utterly blameless for all its sins. --The Grimch ^U! 00:07, 2 September 2007 (BST)

    Hm. Well, there are some who argue that your psyche, soal, personality, whatever the hell you want to call it, that little peice of you that is you is formed mostly from your memories, all of which are formed from your choices, and the choices of others. If they are controlled by one being, then sure, It is all the fault of one god. This is essentialy my problem with a lot of christian thought. Not most, but some have this idea that somehow everything can be blamed on god or the devil, and god will sort it all out in the end. Imagine if you are some (let us say for sake of argument) semi-omnipotent being (one that does not know all that will happen ever, let's rule out determinism here, for now). YOu've just created these little buggers, called humans and set up an elaborate little trap to get them to accept free will ( a five-year-old could see the apple tree thing coming) and then all they do when they're turned out into the big wide world to grow and change as people and then a whole bunch of them start turning round going "God! God! Make it better!" "please god, you're so wonderfull, can you sort this all out for us please!"

    Anyway, my main beleif is that whatever you personaly choose to beleive in, bhuddism, christianity, socialism, neopaganism, wiccan, islam, judaism, taoism, humanism whatever the real point of it all is to come out of it all a better person than you came in. I like it when peoples beleifs help people to do it, and I hate it when people use their beleifs as a crutch to advoid developing any real conscience of their own. THe entire point of all those commandments and everything is to provide a starting place for people to develop their own morals and ethics, apply them and live by them. The most sensible commandment of any religion I have ever seen, is bizzarely enougth the wiccan and pagan commandment. They've only got one, and that's just "do what you want, just don't hurt anyone" --Seventythree 01:58, 2 September 2007 (BST)

16. 'Keep -- Atticus Rex ^{mfu pif} Δ 22:32, 30 August 2007 (BST)

Kept --^T 15:53, 11 September 2007 (BST)

DEM Roster

Seems to be a self-stated violation of UDWiki:Copyrights policy. I'm attempting to contact the owner of the database from which this info was (with very little modification) taken to see if they do consent to such use. If not (which seems unlikely, by the page's own assertions) the policy seems pretty cut and dried- it should get the axe, post-haste.  Swiers 22:30, 27 August 2007 (BST)

"Further Information - After directly contacting Alex DeWitt, I've confirmed he is the copyright holder. He did not grant permission for use, but neither does he care to personally act against said use. I'm not up on copyright law, but its enough for me to not pursue any further action. I'm happy with a democratic vote in this case, as it seems the wiki policy. Δ‌Δ Swiers 16:35, 28 August 2007 (BST)"

Thusly, the original reason for asking for a delete becomes null and void, therefore making this whole vote pointless, and should be cancelled.--Gregg bayes 09:44, 29 August 2007 (BST)Gregg Bayes

Hmm, I wasn't aware you could edit somebody else's vote submission, much less declare it null and void. Seems nobody agreed with you anyhow.

As you quoted me saying, this voting process is the wiki's way of dealing with copyright violations- which this still IS a case of, even if no action is being taken by the copyright holder. I didn't say the issue was (or should be) dropped, just clarified that normal channels should resolve it without further need to worry about direct involvement from the copyright holder. So far from reason to stop this vote, we now have a mandate to carry it through.  Swiers 22:07, 1 September 2007 (BST)

Well surely if the copyright holder isn't taking action, then you don't have a leg to stand on. You can't assume the role of copyright holder for 75 Years after the death of Alex DeWitt, sorry dude, but look it up. And seeing as the normal channels don't actually seem to have a valid reason for deleting it otherwise, it would very much seem that it is a case of null and void. Your original argument of copyright, which is a very valid and well pointed out argument it has to be said, is defunct without any back up, and other than that, there is nothing else to bring against it. --Gregg bayes 23:40, 1 September 2007 (BST)

Just because the copyright holder isn't taking action now does not change the fact that he can. The page is still in violation UDWiki:Copyrights and thus still under the original reason for the request. - Vantar 23:50, 1 September 2007 (BST)

Also, I'm not aware that there really needs to be ANY policy or legal justification of a vote to delete a page. It seems that if enough people don't like it, it gets gets voted for deletion, that's all, end of story. The fact that there may be a good reason to delete it should guide people's voting (and calls for votes) but does not itself seem a requirement of the process, it would seem.  Swiers 03:00, 2 September 2007 (BST)

1. Keep - --Sonny Corleone ^{RRF DORIS CRF pr0n} 22:38, 27 August 2007 (BST)
2. Speedy Delete --THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 23:16, 27 August 2007 (BST)
3. Speedy Delete - The first line says it all. Now if the information had been gained through different means then mabey, but the information wasn't.--Karek^maps?! 02:09, 28 August 2007 (BST)
4. Delete/Move - It's late for SD votes already, but this deserves to go, or be moved into a subpage of whatever group is the one that uses it the most (Leighton Kru?). You can't make a "community resource" in the main namespace and claim ownership with exclusive edition rights, period. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^YRC☺T☺+1 02:19, 28 August 2007 (BST)
5. Keep - Where's the copyright on it? I don't see a copyright.--User:Axe27/Sig 02:59, 28 August 2007 (BST)
6. Delete - The infomation was gotten by cheating (joining a forum and 'stealing' the memberlist)!! - Crystal ^C-Kids

   The Invisibles joined and stole info from Red Rum. DEM members joined the old RRF forum and stole info. Why is it when it's done to survivors that they cry? --Sonny Corleone ^{RRF DORIS CRF pr0n} 16:39, 28 August 2007 (BST)

   Because Sonny when this supposed DEM member was doing this you never bothered to let me know. I have no idea why you chose not to let us know but know that had you actually taken the time to let me know it was going on they'd have gotten punted.--Kristi of the Dead 00:26, 30 August 2007 (BST)

   I told Alex DipShit and Darkstar back in the day. They denied it. --Sonny Corleone ^{RRF DORIS CRF pr0n} 02:06, 30 August 2007 (BST)

   I'm the leader of the DEM and I'm telling you now that doesn't fly. Tell me show me proof and they are gone.--Kristi of the Dead 04:58, 30 August 2007 (BST)

7. Delete - Stolen IP, not approved for use by the DB owner. --Jimmy "Two Stacks" 09:57, 28 August 2007 (BST)
8. Keep - --The Hierophant 09:58, 28 August 2007 (BST)
9. Keep - Although I'm personally sick and tired of the page now, I'm afraid I cannot let it be deleted for this reason. The DEM Roster is available as a Download on the Roster page, which means it is freely available for anyone who wants it. Additionally, there are no warnings of copyright anywhere on the page, or in the document. Also, it doesn't matter how the information was retrieved, this delete is because it was there in the first place, not on how it was obtained, so if you are voting because you are a DEM member who thinks this is cheating, I'm afraid it's not relevant. But hell, it's done its job, feel free to do whatever you want with it.--Gregg bayes 10:00, 28 August 2007 (BST)Gregg Bayes
10. Delete --~~~~_T^''' 10:42, 28 August 2007 (BST)
11. Keep --Cyberbob ^{DORIS CGR U!} 13:59, 28 August 2007 (BST)
12. Speedy Delete - If the database's owner wants it removed, it's gonna be a Crit 1. -- Atticus Rex ^{mfu pif} Δ 15:34, 28 August 2007 (BST)

    Crit 1 is no content. --Sonny Corleone ^{RRF DORIS CRF pr0n} 16:39, 28 August 2007 (BST)

    Crit 1 is more than that. -- Atticus Rex ^{mfu pif} Δ 22:30, 30 August 2007 (BST)

13. Delete There is always a copyright even if not mentioned. --Tumu 20:14, 28 August 2007 (BST)

    ^This is right. --  T   21:51, 28 August 2007 (BST)

14. Speedy Delete All information is stolen, its out of date, and the page has no real use at all.--Great Lord P4X639, MFD 21:27, 28 August 2007 (BST)
15. Move or Delete - Move it to a group page or delete it --Ryiis 21:49, 28 August 2007 (BST)
16. Keep --Jake4d1 00:26, 29 August 2007 (BST)
17. keep--Johnny Reb 01:44, 29 August 2007 (BST)
18. Speedy Delete --Kristi of the Dead 00:26, 30 August 2007 (BST)
19. Speedy Delete--Suburban Ed 21:39, 30 August 2007 (BST)
20. Speedy Delete--Oranchov 03:44, 31 August 2007 (BST)
21. Speedy Delete--Goofy McCoy 09:07, 31 August 2007 (BST)

    N.B. actually, a speedydelete vote should contain a reference to a criteria... --~~~~_T^''' 22:06, 1 September 2007 (BST)

    There isn't anything on the speedy delete page about copyrights, but I think we've determined that it is breaking UDWiki policy.--Labine50 ^{MEMS | MHG} 02:45, 2 September 2007 (BST)

    1) Doesn't need criteria, just read them as delte as tehre are multiple keep votes. 2) Violation of the ToS for using the wiki would be a good start as far as a reason for it goes, there is precedent.--Karek^maps?! 07:57, 2 September 2007 (BST)

22. Delete --Labine50 ^MHG|MEMS 18:16, 1 September 2007 (BST)
23. Delete - Gregg bayes motivated me to actually vote.  Swiers 22:07, 1 September 2007 (BST)
24. Speedy Delete Seryna 07:50, 2 September 2007 (BST)
25. Delete --John Cannonfodder 09:20, 4 September 2007 (BST)

    Keep --Cyberbob ^{DORIS CGR U!} 09:21, 4 September 2007 (BST)

    Second vote struck, see vote #11 for his first vote. --Amanu Jaku 11:01, 4 September 2007 (BST)

26. Keep - And stop voting speedydelete you numbskulls, it doesn't qualify The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talk • contribs) at 10:22 4 September 2007 (BST)
27. Delete - If the head of the DEM wants it gone, and it is a DEM group page, shouldn't it be criteria 7 of the speedy deletions? Gregg isn't a part of the DEM, the DEM didn't give permission for this page to be created, and since it is about their group, the DEM should be able to decide if it stays or if it goes. Isn't it technically vandalism to create a group page without their permission? --Amanu Jaku 10:53, 4 September 2007 (BST)

    Hm... impersonation? That might be a case --~~~~ [Talk] 11:06, 4 September 2007 (BST)

    Umm, no. If it was a subpage in the DEM groupspace, maybe. But this is an article about the DEM, created by another group. In it's original form that was obvious, but subsequent edits by DEM members and others have removed that The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talk • contribs) at 11:15 4 September 2007 (BST)

    He did mock them in the first edit, making the whole article a bad faith edit as he was trying to stir up drama. Regardless, since members of the DEM updating the page and claiming it as their own, they have made it a part of their group structure. Thus if they want it deleted, they should be allowed to delete it. --Amanu Jaku 11:22, 4 September 2007 (BST)

    Actually, the DEM haven't got any claim to it whatsoever. I don't, and I made it. We went through it all before, and the DEM aren't allowed to decide whether or not it stays, just like I'm not allowed to take the piss as it is a public resource, hence why I've got this. --Gregg bayes 13:43, 4 September 2007 (BST)

    The DEM doesn't have a claim to a page named after them and that contains a list of their members, that they have actively edited? Do you know how stupid that sounds? --Akule ^{School's in session.} 22:59, 4 September 2007 (BST)

28. Delete - Because Jorm needs to stop getting laid. --Akule ^{School's in session.} 22:59, 4 September 2007 (BST)
29. Keep - But add Category:liek_mudkipz. --Max Grivas ^{JG / M.F.T.} 23:18, 4 September 2007 (BST)
30. keep - the supposed copyright holder has declined the option to enforce said copyright which is legally the same as granting permission. The page creator obtained the info from a publicly available download which I assume came with no dire warnings regarding usage so again its not copyright infringement! Basically this seems to be a bit of pointless squabbling; its not infringing any laws/rule, its not a bad-faith edit, its not impersonation and its not a group page. What criteria exactly is there too delete this other than "we don't like it"??? --Honestmistake 14:05, 5 September 2007 (BST)

    You're entitled to exercise you vote, of course, but just FTR: declining to engage in a wiki squabble isn't the same as granting license to redistribute copyrighted materials; the download is not publicly available but was obtained through spying; and "We don't like it" is the only criterion necessary on this page (see the delete request just above). -- Atticus Rex ^{mfu pif} Δ 15:29, 5 September 2007 (BST)

31. delete - M4dD mUdD 09:38, 7 September 2007 (BST)
32. Speedy Delete - --Forgotten86 19:30, 8 September 2007 (BST)
33. 'Delete - --Dr. Allison Wolf ^{MEMS Talk PIF} 06:33, 9 September 2007 (BST)

Deleted --Max Grivas ^{JG / M.F.T.} 01:56, 11 September 2007 (BST)

Pennville Freedom Movement

Moved from the Crit 12 speedy deletion queue as required to due to non creator keep vote- Vantar 00:50, 27 August 2007 (BST)

1. Speedy Delete Disbanded group with no notable history. --Tumu 16:42, 27 August 2007 (BST)
2. delete Asheets 21:51, 27 August 2007 (BST)
3. Keep - Notable and should be historical, former member of the Alliance of Giddings, which is more than enough reason to keep this page around.--Karek^maps?! 02:13, 28 August 2007 (BST)
4. Keep - Crit 12 is awfull --~~~~_T^''' 14:02, 30 August 2007 (BST)
5. Keep - disk space = cheep!--Jorm 17:49, 30 August 2007 (BST)
6. Keep - As above --The Grimch ^Sysop-U! 23:45, 30 August 2007 (BST)
7. Keep - Long enough edit history for mine The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talk • contribs) at 10:53 4 September 2007 (BST)
8. Delete - Gone/Reformed. --Max Grivas ^{JG / M.F.T.} 06:52, 6 September 2007 (BST)

Kept --Max Grivas ^{JG / M.F.T.} 01:52, 11 September 2007 (BST)

Pennville Internal Communication Link

Moved from the Crit 12 speedy deletion queue as required to due to non creator keep vote- Vantar 00:50, 27 August 2007 (BST)

1. Speedy Delete Unmaintained and dead radio group page. With the Pennville rebuilding active, I haven't seen any of their transmitters around Pennville. --Tumu 16:42, 27 August 2007 (BST)
2. delete Hasn't been used in some time, and I haven't seen Robin Robinson around much either. Asheets 21:28, 27 August 2007 (BST)
3. Delete - Fine. I've been listening the channel and it died couple months ago or so... --Niilomaan ^GRR!•M! 12:51, 30 August 2007 (BST)
4. Keep - Crit 12 is awfull --~~~~_T^''' 14:02, 30 August 2007 (BST)
5. Keep - disk space = cheep!--Jorm 17:49, 30 August 2007 (BST)
6. Keep - As above --The Grimch ^Sysop-U! 23:45, 30 August 2007 (BST)
7. Keep - Yet again, not even a group, but at least there's decent content on it this time, even if it's died The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talk • contribs) at 10:49 4 September 2007 (BST)
8. Keep - Not a 10 but certainly not a 12. --Max Grivas ^{JG / M.F.T.} 06:46, 6 September 2007 (BST)

Kept --Max Grivas ^{JG / M.F.T.} 01:52, 11 September 2007 (BST)

Radio Free Dakerstown

Should have been moved from the Crit 12 speedy deletion queue as required to due to non creator keep vote but was overlooked - Vantar 18:40, 26 August 2007 (BST)

1. Speedy Delete Unmaintained stub page without useful content. --Tumu 16:42, 27 August 2007 (BST)

   Keep - Crit 12 is awfull --~~~~_T^''' 14:02, 30 August 2007 (BST) Vote changed

2. Keep - disk space = cheep!--Jorm 17:49, 30 August 2007 (BST)
3. Keep - As above --The Grimch ^Sysop-U! 23:45, 30 August 2007 (BST)
4. Delete - It's not even a group, please look at the pages before voting. Still a(n ugly) stub after more than a year The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talk • contribs) at 10:48 4 September 2007 (BST)
5. Delete - actually boxy is right here. --~~~~ [Talk] 10:51, 4 September 2007 (BST)
6. Delete - Off the air. --Max Grivas ^{JG / M.F.T.} 06:45, 6 September 2007 (BST)

Deleted --Max Grivas ^{JG / M.F.T.} 01:52, 11 September 2007 (BST)

Quarantine Cleanup Operation

Moved from the Crit 12 speedy deletion queue as required to due to non creator keep vote- Vantar 05:46, 26 August 2007 (BST)

1. Delete Jorm eh? --User:Axe27/Sig 17:29, 26 August 2007 (BST)
2. Speedy Delete Unmaintained stub page with no useful content. --Tumu 16:42, 27 August 2007 (BST)
3. Keep - Crit 12 is awfull --~~~~_T^''' 14:02, 30 August 2007 (BST) Vote changed
4. Keep - disk space = cheep!--Jorm 17:49, 30 August 2007 (BST)
5. Keep - As above --The Grimch ^Sysop-U! 23:45, 30 August 2007 (BST)
6. Delete - Look at the bloody page. Edited 3 times in 2 days over a year ago, and still marked as under construction with hardly any content The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talk • contribs) at 10:43 4 September 2007 (BST)
7. Delete - actually boxy is right --~~~~ [Talk] 10:53, 4 September 2007 (BST)
8. Delete - The name says it all. --Max Grivas ^{JG / M.F.T.} 06:43, 6 September 2007 (BST)

Deleted --Max Grivas ^{JG / M.F.T.} 01:52, 11 September 2007 (BST)

The Secret Six

Moved from the Crit 12 speedy deletion queue as required to due to non creator keep vote- Vantar 05:46, 26 August 2007 (BST)

1. Keep - they're still active if i recall correctly (moved out of there some time ago), just don't update the page --~~~~_T^''' 15:22, 26 August 2007 (BST)
2. Delete Jorm eh? --User:Axe27/Sig 17:29, 26 August 2007 (BST)
3. Keep I've heard of them quite a bit. Betting they are still active and even if they aren't they are referenced.--Karek^maps?! 23:23, 26 August 2007 (BST)
4. Delete Plenty of other active groups are able to edit/update their pages. Shouldn't give any exceptions to lazy groups. Furthermore, if they're lazy, we don't have to worry about possible undeletions coming from them either. So, it's win-win. --Tumu 16:42, 27 August 2007 (BST)
5. Keep - We're definitely still active. I haven't added anything for a while because we only stay in Stanbury Village/Roftwood, and it's the same ole story. Zombies come in, we fight, we win or lose. And the cycle repeats. But if it saves the group page from deletion I could always get something up there. Let me know. --Antipathy 20:39, 27 August 2007 (BST)

   Simple Edit/Save page, even without any real changes, is enough to prevent getting nominated. Providing real content can make it even historical eventually. --Tumu 03:18, 28 August 2007 (BST)

   There you go. Two of our members updated the page. As a side note, is it possible to make a rule that wiki pages for groups still on the stats page can't be deleted? --Antipathy 11:158, 28 August 2007 (BST)

   The current group delete rule reads as "The page is a non-historical group page, it is over two months old, it has not had an update in a month, and is not on the stats page." does that cover it?- Vantar 17:33, 29 August 2007 (BST)

   Then why did our page even get to deletions? We're on the stats page. - Antipathy 12:39, 01 September 2007 (BST)

6. Keep - We sure are active. Remove the strike - and this comment - when you sign. --Cyberbob ^{DORIS CGR U!} 14:01, 28 August 2007 (BST)
7. Keep - I'll echo Antipathy. We're definitely active.Eris2323 14:45, 28 August 2007 (BST)
8. Keep - disk space = cheep!--Jorm 17:49, 30 August 2007 (BST)
9. Keep - As above --The Grimch ^Sysop-U! 23:45, 30 August 2007 (BST)
10. Keep - Active The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talk • contribs) at 10:41 4 September 2007 (BST)
11. Keep - Of course they are active. ? --Max Grivas ^{JG / M.F.T.} 06:42, 6 September 2007 (BST)

Kept --Max Grivas ^{JG / M.F.T.} 01:52, 11 September 2007 (BST)

82nd_MTF

Moved from the Crit 12 speedy deletion queue as required to due to non creator keep vote- Vantar 05:46, 26 August 2007 (BST)

1. Delete Jorm eh? --User:Axe27/Sig 17:29, 26 August 2007 (BST)
2. Keep And here I was thinking USMC was a big group with multiple subgroups, to lazy to see if they are documented here. Either way should probably be kept around.--Karek^maps?! 23:15, 26 August 2007 (BST)
3. Speedy Delete Yet another lazy group. Also all edits are have been done in one day, pointing to a stub and unmaintained page. --Tumu 16:42, 27 August 2007 (BST)
4. Keep - Crit 12 is awfull --~~~~_T^''' 14:02, 30 August 2007 (BST) Vote changed
5. Keep - disk space = cheep!--Jorm 17:49, 30 August 2007 (BST)
6. Keep - As above --The Grimch ^Sysop-U! 23:48, 30 August 2007 (BST)
7. Delete - Who here actually looked at the page before voting? Clowns, it's a redirect to the group below The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talk • contribs) at 10:40 4 September 2007 (BST)
8. Speedy Delete - actually boxy is right --~~~~ [Talk] 10:56, 4 September 2007 (BST)
9. Speedy Delete - Crit 3. --Max Grivas ^{JG / M.F.T.} 06:41, 6 September 2007 (BST)

Deleted --Max Grivas ^{JG / M.F.T.} 01:52, 11 September 2007 (BST)

82nd Marine Task Force

Moved from the Crit 12 speedy deletion queue as required to due to non creator keep vote- Vantar 05:46, 26 August 2007 (BST)

1. Delete Jorm eh? --User:Axe27/Sig 17:29, 26 August 2007 (BST)
2. Keep Is a redirect to the previous.--Karek^maps?! 23:22, 26 August 2007 (BST)
3. Speedy Delete Yet another lazy group. Also all edits are have been done in one day, pointing to a stub and unmaintained page. --Tumu 16:42, 27 August 2007 (BST)
4. Keep - Crit 12 is awfull --~~~~_T^''' 14:02, 30 August 2007 (BST) Vote changed
5. Keep - disk space = cheep!--Jorm 17:49, 30 August 2007 (BST)
6. Keep - As above --The Grimch ^Sysop-U! 23:48, 30 August 2007 (BST)
7. Delete - Created, and abandoned in a day. What's the point in keeping groups that never got off the ground? The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talk • contribs) at 10:37 4 September 2007 (BST)
8. Delete - actually boxy is right (ok, next time i'll be looking at pages more) --~~~~ [Talk] 10:57, 4 September 2007 (BST)
9. Delete - Weak. Wasted redirect. Wasted frequency. --Max Grivas ^{JG / M.F.T.} 06:40, 6 September 2007 (BST)

Deleted --Max Grivas ^{JG / M.F.T.} 01:52, 11 September 2007 (BST)

Dragon Noodle Protection Agency

Moved from the Crit 12 speedy deletion queue as required to due to non creator keep vote- Vantar 05:46, 26 August 2007 (BST)

1. Delete Jorm eh? --User:Axe27/Sig 17:29, 26 August 2007 (BST)
2. Speedy Delete Unmaintained, no content, no notable history. --Tumu 16:42, 27 August 2007 (BST)
3. delete has not responded to queries since January, and has had no broadcasts that I'm aware of on their radio freq. Asheets 21:31, 27 August 2007 (BST)
4. Keep - Crit 12 is awfull --~~~~_T^''' 14:02, 30 August 2007 (BST) Vote changed
5. Keep - disk space = cheep!--Jorm 17:49, 30 August 2007 (BST)
6. Keep - As above --The Grimch ^Sysop-U! 23:48, 30 August 2007 (BST)
7. Delete - Disk space may be cheap, but this "group" page was created in a few minutes, and then abandoned. There is hardly any content on the page The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talk • contribs) at 10:34 4 September 2007 (BST)
8. Delete - boxy convinced me --~~~~ [Talk] 10:58, 4 September 2007 (BST)
9. Delete - Lame to begin with. --Max Grivas ^{JG / M.F.T.} 06:39, 6 September 2007 (BST)
10. Delete - ??? --^T 17:26, 6 September 2007 (BST)

Deleted. --Max Grivas ^{JG / M.F.T.} 01:52, 11 September 2007 (BST)

People's Federation of Malton

Moved from the Crit 12 speedy deletion queue as required to due to non creator keep vote- Vantar 05:46, 26 August 2007 (BST)

1. Delete Jorm eh? --User:Axe27/Sig 17:29, 26 August 2007 (BST)
2. Keep First paragraph says it all. Member of the Alliance of Gidding which means they deserve to stay around. The Alliance of Giddings wasn't exactly a bunch of nobodies.--Karek^maps?! 23:24, 26 August 2007 (BST)
3. Speedy Delete Does being a member in various (historical) groups exempt from keeping a page updated? Also the page mentions the group being dissolved, with no notable history. Plus unmaintained, almost no content. --Tumu 16:42, 27 August 2007 (BST)

   Actually I'm fairly sure it should, being a member of a historical organization or recognized historical group should gain you historical status, especially if you are disbanded. They should have the same level of protection of the Alliance of Giddings page once they leave the game for all the same reasons the Alliance of Giddings page is recognized. If they are a member of "various (historical) groups" then obviously they are historical themselves and have added something to the community, something worth recognizing and preserving.--Karek^maps?! 02:06, 28 August 2007 (BST)

4. Delete - They werent' much of anybodies in the AoG anyway if I remember correctly. It was mostly PARA, the Renegades, CDF, ACC, and a few other groups. --Sonny Corleone ^{RRF DORIS CRF pr0n} 02:08, 28 August 2007 (BST)
5. Keep - Crit 12 is awfull --~~~~_T^''' 14:02, 30 August 2007 (BST)
6. Keep - disk space = cheep!--Jorm 17:49, 30 August 2007 (BST)
7. Keep - As above --The Grimch ^Sysop-U! 23:48, 30 August 2007 (BST)
8. Delete - Gone. Forgotten. --Max Grivas ^{JG / M.F.T.} 06:38, 6 September 2007 (BST)
9. Keep --^T 17:26, 6 September 2007 (BST)

Kept --Max Grivas ^{JG / M.F.T.} 01:52, 11 September 2007 (BST)

Malton Neighborhood Watch

Moved from the Crit 12 speedy deletion queue as required to due to non creator keep vote- Vantar 05:46, 26 August 2007 (BST)

1. Might still be active - I see them every now and then.--User:Axe27/Sig 17:29, 26 August 2007 (BST)
2. Speedy Delete If they're around, tell them to keep their page updated. Last real edit on Nov 2006, 6+ months should be enough time to establish dead/unmaintained page. Old unused info just confuses users. --Tumu 16:42, 27 August 2007 (BST)
3. Keep - It was funny at the time and things they did are still in use, specifically things on their sub pages.--Karek^maps?! 02:18, 28 August 2007 (BST)
4. speedy delete no edits since 2006. Asheets 17:13, 29 August 2007 (BST)
5. Keep - Crit 12 is awfull --~~~~_T^''' 14:02, 30 August 2007 (BST)
6. Keep - disk space = cheep!--Jorm 17:49, 30 August 2007 (BST)
7. Keep - As above --The Grimch ^Sysop-U! 23:48, 30 August 2007 (BST)
8. Keep - I thought it was funny. Future generations may as well. --Max Grivas ^{JG / M.F.T.} 06:37, 6 September 2007 (BST)
9. Keep - Interesting page; I hope someone starts it back up. --^T 17:26, 6 September 2007 (BST)

Kept --Max Grivas ^{JG / M.F.T.} 01:52, 11 September 2007 (BST)

Columbine Kids

-Haha, the joke is funny......except no one's laughing.EricErik 04:20, 26 August 2007 (BST)

~ Oh i don't know... people are laughing. Him, for example... Crystal ^C-Kids

i like free speech, but this has no place in here. Tasteless page, should be removed. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 05:26, 21 August 2007 (BST)

1. delete --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 05:26, 21 August 2007 (BST)
2. Keep - Because irony isn't something for pressing clothes. --The Hierophant 05:28, 21 August 2007 (BST)

   where is the irony in here mister ? --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 05:34, 21 August 2007 (BST)

   Read the text, you self-important, patronising arse. The entire thing is portraying the killers as witless fucktards with repressed sexualities. --The Hierophant 05:42, 21 August 2007 (BST)

3. delete Get rid of it. --Gafgar 05:29, 21 August 2007 (BST)
4. Keep - Key lines to let you know about the tone are ones like "See? Marilyn Manson totally endorses us", you know, as a parody of the controversy over whether the artist's music caused the shooting. It's not a big deal. If it was poorly written, yeah, I'd vote delete, but this is well done and there's no justification for removing it. Offensive satire is an acquired taste. Otherwise we get into dangerous territory. When Shacknews took Caiger Mall, they made a picture that was a parody of a myspace user's bulletin before he committed suicide. Certainly if you know that kid you say, "No text based MMORPG should be making light of such an event", but hey, it was funny and well-placed. I think I would draw the line at genuine hate speech, something like Stormfront starting a white power survivor group and running around calling the zombies niggers, that's bad taste because it just isn't funny. On the other hand, an in-game group of rednecks doing the same thing so they can cyber with their sisters, mothers, nieces, etc., over the radios in peace, I'm okay with that because they're making themselves the butt of their own joke. As it applies to this, the Columbine Kids are not trying to seriously glorify the two retards who committed the actual shooting in any way whatsoever, so their lack of genuineness is only a danger to those who can't interpret it correctly i.e. get the joke.--Insomniac By Choice 05:57, 21 August 2007 (BST)
5. Delete - just poor --~~~~_T^''' 09:37, 21 August 2007 (BST)
6. Keep - It is neither glorifying the actual event or the muppets that commited it; quite the opposite in fact. Which,if you take the time to read it, is patently obvious. Reading the title and basing your judgements on that alone is ridiculous and small-minded. - Crystal ^C-Kids 14:31, 21 August 2007 (BST)

   call me small-minded, but i wouldnt like to have a PKer group linked to an infamous event in US history. That is just bad press. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]}

   I think you've spectacularly missed the point. Please refrain from spamming this page unless you have something constructive to add. -- Crystal ^C-Kids

   Yeah right, i'm spamming this page with useless comments... my bad, Mrs. Crystal Eyes, Oh Wise of the Wiki. Anyway, i am not from the US and found it somehow offensive, if you guys that live in there don't, i am willing to drop this deletions request. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 19:58, 21 August 2007

   It's 'Miss', actually. And repeating yourself time and time again is spamming. We all got the impression you disapproved of the group when you started this vote; you really don't need to keep reiterating yourself. --Crystal ^C-Kids 03:33, 28 August 2007 (BST)

7. Keep Good job with the Categories - Vantar 19:12, 21 August 2007 (BST)

   Thank you!! - Crystal ^C-Kids

   Delete I'm only voting delete because this group has yet to categorize its three subpages (Hint:[[Category:Group Subpages]])- Vantar 14:47, 21 August 2007 (BST)

   - I didn't know about subpages, have added the link thing now! Is that enough to get the 'delete' removed? Pretty please? =P - Crystal ^C-Kids

8. Keep - I get the joke. Yay for me. --Goolina _{Gore Corps} 18:17, 21 August 2007 (BST)
9. Keep - It's black humour, but humour nonetheless. It's hardly glorifying the idiots! yodadog 18:22, 21 August 2007
10. Keep - PKer groups are annoying, but if 'we' are going to allow them as valid within the game's dynamic, then 'we' can allow one or two to have unpleasant names. --Uncle Whippity 20:10, 21 August 2007 (BST)
11. Keep - Oh just calm down. You might not like it, but anyone can say just about whatever they want on this interweb thingy. If you don't care for it, steer clear. --Shadows And Dust 19:00, 21 August 2007 (EST)
12. Keep - Its funny and its well done but even if it was a peice of crap it would still be keep cos censorship should be banned :) --Honestmistake 17:27, 22 August 2007 (BST)
13. Keep - Anything in poor taste gets a keep vote from me, although The Cabage Patch Kids has a nice ring to it... Yosemiteclimber 02:51, 23 August 2007 (BST)
14. Keep - I have a dry taste in my mouth. --User:Axe27/Sig 17:27, 26 August 2007 (BST)
15. Keep - Free speech and all that. I thought the internet was the last real bastion of free speech. Meh. --Ryiis 21:54, 28 August 2007 (BST)
16. Keep - It's stylish and hasn't got FTWFTWFTW written all over it. Other group pages should model themselves after this fine example. Besides, it's funny ^.^. --dudemeister 13:08, 30 August 2007 (BST)
17. Delete - There's just no way to validate the reference to the actual murder of children. Parody, Humor,etc., I just can't support it. I would ask Crystal and her pals to demonstrate their good sense and censor themselves. Someone here said that the internet is the last bastion of free speech, but with that it seems to be the breeding ground for irresponsible speech. When you consider what really happened at Columbine, I can't think of a single joke that is appropriate. Crystal and friends, you seem to be creative and probably can be funny, so I'll ask you to do better. I suspect you have it in you. --8 Bucks 17:35, 30 August 2007 (BST)
18. Delete - Its not very mature. I don't even live in America and I don't like it. DanceDanceRevolution 06:10, 31 August 2007 (BST)
19. Keep - The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talk • contribs) at 10:27 4 September 2007 (BST)
20. Delete-Free speech is fine, but, this crosses the line. Nalikill 04:54, 6 September 2007 (BST)
21. Keep - But not in a gay way. Really. --Max Grivas ^{JG / M.F.T.} 06:35, 6 September 2007 (BST)

Shouldn't this vote have finished on the 4th? - Crystal ^C-Kids 14:36, 6 September 2007 (BST)

Yeah, probably. Erik confused the issue by replying above Hagnats original post, making it look like the voting started on the 26th. Anyway, kept The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talk • contribs) at 14:49 6 September 2007 (BST)

Medics of Malton Subpage

Medics of Malton/Member Talk

We are finished with this page, now that we've got a forums. --Pedentic 03:07, 20 August 2007 (BST)

1. Speedydelete crit 1? --~~~~_T^''' 08:59, 20 August 2007 (BST)
2. Delete - I'd vote speedy, but there doesn't seem to be a criterion for it The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talk • contribs) at 10:27 20 August 2007 (BST)
3. Speedydelete - Crit 2. Creative interpretations of the rules are great, this page is off topic now because there is a forum. Also just common sense. - If Jedaz = 12:15, 20 August 2007 (BST) then pi = 2 + 1
4. Speedydelete crit 1...duplicated elsewhere to no purpose. --  T   18:51, 22 August 2007 (BST)

Deleted --Max Grivas ^{JG / M.F.T.} 05:49, 4 September 2007 (BST)

Image:Randytheredheadedlumberjack.jpg

I doubt this is the sort of thing we want to have hosted on the site. --Amanu Jaku 11:46, 3 September 2007 (BST)

1. Speedy Delete - It doesn't meet any of the criteria, but it should. --Amanu Jaku 11:46, 3 September 2007 (BST)
2. Keep - Bah, stop being such a prude. I'ld be agreeing with you if it was a picture of a real penis, but it's not, so it's ok. - If Jedaz = 12:11, 3 September 2007 (BST) then pi = 2 + 1 Self struck. - If Jedaz = 13:30, 3 September 2007 (BST) then pi = 2 + 1

   Oh, that's right. I forgot that the wiki was an outhouse where I should just briefly stop by to "do my business" and then leave. This picture serves no purpose and will end up offending someone. --Amanu Jaku 12:26, 3 September 2007 (BST)

3. Delete - keeping this picture is only going to open a precedence for pictures of dildos and peaches that look like vaginas... Minors play this game, won't someone please think of the children?--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 12:37, 3 September 2007 (BST)
4. Speedydelete - Crit 2, and simply used to call someone "fag" The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talk • contribs) at 12:44 3 September 2007 (BST)
5. Speedy Delete - Crit 2 --~~~~ [Talk] 13:26, 3 September 2007 (BST)

   1. 2. 3. Gone.-- Vista  +1  16:11, 3 September 2007 (BST)

LUE Sucks

LUE Sucks

Pointless. If survivors are going to organise to stop zombie groups, make it a little more classy... please.

1. Delete The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talk • contribs) at 16:10 18 August 2007 (BST)

   Move - vote changed, see Insomniac By Choice's vote The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talk • contribs) at 10:28 20 August 2007 (BST)

2. Delete --Sonny Corleone ^{RRF CoL DORIS CRF pr0n} 16:11, 18 August 2007 (BST)
3. Delete-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 16:30, 18 August 2007 (BST)
4. Speedy Delete--Jorm 17:14, 18 August 2007 (BST)
5. Delete - stupid --~~~~_T^''' 18:01, 18 August 2007 (BST)
6. Keep - Classy ? No. Free speech ? Yes. As long as they overdo things in there, people are free to create articles like this and put their opinions in there. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 21:54, 18 August 2007 (BST)

   If it was a group page, then I'd agree. But it's just a page inviting others to rant about a group who destroyed her suburb, or mall, or junkyard, or something The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talk • contribs) at 03:01 19 August 2007 (BST)

   so ? whats the problem if its a random page telling how and why LUE sucks ? This is probably an article page which will never be used for anything else but complaint against LUE. If it were an article which could have several different uses, then i agree that a subpage of LUE or someother group should be used then, but it's not this case. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 04:04, 19 August 2007 (BST)

7. Keep - For what it's worth, I and most other LUEsers I know are not in any way offended by this. It's not classy or well done, but it's more than a little funny.--Insomniac By Choice 23:21, 18 August 2007 (BST)

   If LUE want it, I guess moving it to a subpage of LUE would work (to make it clear that it's invited criticism) The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talk • contribs) at 03:01 19 August 2007 (BST)

   Ah, right you are. Then I'll move it to the blubbering vaginas section straight away and replace the current page with a redirect, yeah?--Insomniac By Choice 02:35, 20 August 2007 (BST)

8. Keep - just wait for it to not get updated and get it off for inactivity--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 00:30, 19 August 2007 (BST)

   It's not a group page that can be crit 12'ed for inactivity The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talk • contribs) at 03:01 19 August 2007 (BST)

   Move - Changed mah vote--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 11:17, 20 August 2007 (BST)

9. Delete --The Grimch ^Mod-U! 00:33, 19 August 2007 (BST)
10. Delete --Gafgar 19:07, 19 August 2007 (BST)
11. Move -- as per Insomniac's vote --Ryiis 23:12, 20 August 2007 (BST)

Moved and Deleted --Max Grivas ^{JG / M.F.T.} 11:30, 2 September 2007 (BST)

Copyrighted Content

Image:Clonearmy.JPG - Violation of UDWiki:Copyrights policy that Kevan has clearly defined. --Akule ^{School's in session.} 02:22, 15 August 2007 (BST)

1. Delete - George Lucas has shown he will aggressively enforce his copyright. From the Star Wars site: "STAR WARS, STARWARS.COM; STAR WARS: EPISODE I THE PHANTOM MENACE; STAR WARS: EPISODE II ATTACK OF THE CLONES; STAR WARS: EPISODE III REVENGE OF THE SITH; STAR WARS: EPISODE IV A NEW HOPE; STAR WARS: EPISODE V THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK; STAR WARS: EPISODE VI RETURN OF THE JEDI (collectively referred to herein as the “Star Wars Pictures”) and all other Lucasfilm productions, and all logos, characters, artwork, stories, information, names, and other elements associated thereto are the sole and exclusive property of Lucasfilm Ltd.. Any use of any of the materials on this Site other than for private, non-commercial viewing purposes is strictly prohibited." Since Urban Dead is a commercial website, this image cannot be claimed for personal use. If we want to make a template mocking people for duping suggestions, might I suggest a royalty free image of a guy passed out on a copier or find another, more appropriate Royalty-free image? --Akule ^{School's in session.} 02:22, 15 August 2007 (BST)
2. Delete - because Akule gets laid a lot--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 04:44, 15 August 2007 (BST)
3. Delete - the image with set of nesting dolls on duped page is good. this is bad --~~~~_T^''' 07:51, 15 August 2007 (BST)
4. Delete - Lucas is an asshole.-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 10:39, 15 August 2007 (BST)
5. Keep - But mostly to Piss AKULE off! Urban dead may be a commercial site but this isn't so go find a better excuse you sad little nerd....--Honestmistake 17:24, 15 August 2007 (BST)
6. Keep - a) The usage of this image in this wiki community IS for non-profit usage b) Would Lucas Arts sue this too ? It clearly uses their copyright content FOR PROFIT. Wait, George Lucas decided to add a 501st Legion in Star Wars based on this fanclub ? Who should be suing who now ? c) akule sux --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 17:52, 15 August 2007 (BST)

   May I direct your attention to the project wonderful ads to the side of that image? Kevan's making a profit each and every time those are displayed. Oh, and it's againt UDWiki_talk:Copyrights, but you pick and choose what rules to follow, right? --Akule ^{School's in session.} 18:34, 15 August 2007 (BST)

   I highly doubt that Kevan is making a "profit" from the wiki ads. In fact, I'd wager that they might barely cover the cost of hosting the wiki. You know. Speaking as somone who does the same thing.--Jorm 18:49, 15 August 2007 (BST)

   He makes money off of the ads. Not much, but some. The site is also a commercial website, which means that it is not for "private use". This means that the image is being used against the terms of the copyright holder and is being used without permission. Couple that with the fact that we have a nice set of Guidelines that explains how this should play out. We already have a better image which can replace it, so why make this wiki more like MySpace? --Akule ^{School's in session.} 19:31, 15 August 2007 (BST)

   I just seem to like myspace. And i bet that Lucas Arts is anxious to sue millions of boards around the world for using their copyright images. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 19:49, 15 August 2007 (BST)

   heck, i just remembered... PVPonline is running a story arc with Star Wars references all over it... should we warn mr. Lucas that they are using his copyright work in there (and i bet they earn a lot of money in there). --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 19:49, 15 August 2007 (BST)

   References are different than stills from the movie, and you know it. Don't try to cloud the issues by comparing dissimilar items, much less things that don't have to do with this site. The owner of the copyright is against the use of this image, so we should remove it. Use the better image. --Akule ^{School's in session.} 19:54, 15 August 2007 (BST)

   did you even bother to read the comic ? Do you know what PVPonline is ? My point: if Lucas Arts is not concerned to ask Scott Kurtz to stop using their copyright material for his own stories that he will later sell in magazine form, they are not going to ask us to remove their copyright material from here, where its only being used for a little fun. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 20:15, 15 August 2007 (BST)

7. Change - Here or Here. First is a wallpaper free to download straight from LucasArts. The second is some idiot in a costume. Can either be used? --Sonny Corleone ^{RRF CoL DORIS CRF pr0n} 21:13, 15 August 2007 (BST)
8. Keep Akule is a thirteen year old copyright lawyer. GET THE FUCK OFF THE WIKI. --User:Axe27/Sig 21:30, 15 August 2007 (BST)
9. Delete - as much as i like the pic, rules are rules. someone should go ask Lucas if we can use it.--'BP^Tmz 01:56, 16 August 2007 (BST)
10. Keep im sure Lucas is crying himself to sleep at night because people are using one of his pictures! --Ropponmatsu 17:45, 19 August 2007 (BST)
11. Keep George Lucas is NOT going to waste his time suing people who have no money anyway. --Gafgar 19:07, 19 August 2007 (BST)
12. Keep - 'Cos that's the way I roll. --The Hierophant 21:05, 19 August 2007 (BST)
13. Keep - If Lucas would let a POS like the Star Wars Holiday Special on the air, he should be game for anything. Stop picking on Sonny! --Goolina _{Gore Corps} 00:46, 20 August 2007 (BST)
14. Keep - It's been up for over a year. I think if anyone at Lucasfilms was at all interested or cared we would have heard about it by now. -- Murray Jay Suskind 01:04, 20 August 2007 (BST)
15. Change - Eh, this is a zombie game, not a sci-fi game. --Amanu Jaku 03:49, 20 August 2007 (BST)

    The image wasn't uploaded for sci-fi. It was made to make fun of the large amounts of dupe suggestions made last year. Get it? Dupe? Same thing? Clones? No...I didn't think you would. --Sonny Corleone ^{RRF CoL DORIS CRF pr0n} 05:39, 20 August 2007 (BST)

    I'd prefer seeing a zombie clone image. Maybe this or this. --Amanu Jaku 13:29, 20 August 2007 (BST)

    i guess people suggesting alternative pictures are tottaly missing the point where this image is used. We are not only making fun of dupe, but relating it to the star wars movie itself. Changing this picture for something else would totally ruin the joke. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 15:31, 20 August 2007 (BST)

    Such as changing the Arby's logo, making fun of Arbitration, to a poorly taken picture of a spam burger and curly fries... --Sonny Corleone ^{RRF CoL DORIS CRF pr0n} 17:51, 20 August 2007 (BST)

    Oh, I did miss that point. Then make it the second choice that Sonny offered, as it's a guy in his costume. What could Lucas do about that? --Amanu Jaku 18:50, 20 August 2007 (BST)

    Akule has to say if it is acceptable or not since he seems to be expert. --Sonny Corleone ^{RRF CoL DORIS CRF pr0n} 04:55, 21 August 2007 (BST)

    This link is dubious at best, as they state the following on their site: "All images have their owner's copyright. Permissions given by authors for publication of wallpapers on this site can be viewed here. If you are the rightful owner and do not want me to publish your image on my site, please email me and it will taken off the server." This one is better, as it is a costume compared to a movie still, but is licensed from Lucasfilms. I'd say this would be the best, as it is a bunch of fan-made costumes, with multiple troopers, and is a picture of fans from a convention. Does that suit your needs? --Akule ^{School's in session.} 16:51, 22 August 2007 (BST)

    Absolutely not! You say its fan made copies of stormtrooper armour? then LUCAS must sue for i strongly suspect they did not get his permission to create forgeries of his armour and it would be wrong for us to propogate such blatant abuse of his intellectual property rights! --Honestmistake 17:34, 22 August 2007 (BST)

    Well, Haggie, if you feel so strongly about it, why not change your vote? Unless you are just being an ass to be an ass. After all, why should sysops maintain any sort of dignity or follow rules? --Akule ^{School's in session.} 17:53, 22 August 2007 (BST)

    I'm going to say no on the second one. Those are Stormtroopers, not Clones. During the time between the Clone Wars and the Galactic Civil War the Emperor allowed recruits to join the Imperial Army. The 501st, or Vader's Fist as it was called, began to deteriorate as more Clones died and more people joined. This is of course ruins the whole joke since any Star Wars fan will notice they are Stormtroopers, not Clones. And is it just me or does that picture look photoshopped? Look at the main guy's shadow and compare it to him. The position of the blaster and helmet don't match up. I like the first picture since it is a Clone, not a Stormtrooper. --Sonny Corleone ^{RRF CoL DORIS CRF pr0n} 17:58, 22 August 2007 (BST)

    Here are a different set of fan-made costumes. This better? --Akule ^{School's in session.} 18:12, 22 August 2007 (BST)

    Much. Can you give me a couple of days to photoshop it to remove the people in the background? BTW, the guy on the left is an ARC Trooper, why he has a blaster pistol is beyond me. --Sonny Corleone ^{RRF CoL DORIS CRF pr0n} 18:29, 22 August 2007 (BST)

    Yeah, a few days is fine. I have no idea of what the troopers are in it, I just did a search for Star Wars Fan Costumes in google and found that. --Akule ^{School's in session.} 18:44, 22 August 2007 (BST)

    Finished. And can a mod delete this image for me? Accidently uploaded it to the wrong name. Image:Clones.jpg --Sonny Corleone ^{RRF DORIS CRF pr0n} 00:45, 27 August 2007 (BST)

Only if you put through Speedy Deletion - Vantar 00:55, 27 August 2007 (BST)

Kept - --Max Grivas ^{JG / M.F.T.} 11:30, 2 September 2007 (BST)

jjames attack template

Template:ImportantInfo It is off topic, contains unproven allegations, and is actionable libel.Jjames 04:54, 7 August 2007 (BST)

This has been voted on before. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 14:22, 7 August 2007 (BST)

1. Waiting for evidence! It was voted on a fair while ago, is there any suggestion he is still up to such tricks? (or proof he ever was???) --Honestmistake 17:47, 7 August 2007 (BST)

   When he came back, he told some of our newer members (i.e. Suicidal Angel) to commit suicide. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 08:02, 11 August 2007 (BST)

   He also called me a "posturing daisy".-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 08:04, 11 August 2007 (BST)

2. Delete - Unproven accusations suck. --  T   20:45, 7 August 2007 (BST)
3. Keep - Otherwise everyone will use this area to request templates they don't like, for whatever reason, be deleted.--Karek^maps?! 22:49, 7 August 2007 (BST)

   thing is its been here for at least a year and if he was guilty then and has learned his lesson then its served its purpose, if he wasn't guilty then it was trolling then. Of course if he still sockpuppets he deserves far worse but if there was proof of that he would have been banned! --Honestmistake 23:04, 7 August 2007 (BST)

   Then again, he was banned yesterday. Does the template even matter now?-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 23:07, 7 August 2007 (BST)

   Anyone can already request anything to be deleted, karek. At anytime. How does voting Keep stop that exactly? 'arm. 07:37, 8 August 2007 (BST)

   'Tis a matter of precedent.--Karek^maps?! 12:01, 17 August 2007 (BST)

4. Delete Target of the template is permabanned. I don't see why we should gloat. never speak ill of the wiki-dead. etc.-- Vista  +1  23:31, 7 August 2007 (BST)
5. Delete if it's proven then remake it, until then...--'BP^Tmz 23:44, 7 August 2007 (BST)
6. Delete - For a more mature wiki. Should we SUBST: every inclusion? Because the things that annoys me more is the template's name, not the claims that, altough false, aren't the only ones like that around this particular wiki. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^YRC☺T☺+1 23:49, 7 August 2007 (BST)
7. Delete - I dun' approve of templates like dat' anywayz.-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 23:58, 7 August 2007 (BST)
8. Delete - Off topic? No. Uproven allegations? Maybe. Actionable libel? Bzzzzt, wrong, thanks for playing. But in the end, he's gone, and this template is unnecessary. -- Atticus Rex ^{mfu pif} Δ 00:17, 8 August 2007 (BST)
9. Delete - As Vista, and as was said before - drama magnet. 'arm. 07:37, 8 August 2007 (BST)
10. Delete - As 'arm --Barbecue Barbecue 19:05, 8 August 2007 (BST)
11. Keep for historical reasons. Deleting it because the user is banned would mean that we need to delete all amazing related templates, and they are kept for the same reason. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 20:27, 8 August 2007 (BST)

    i have subst'ed most of the calls for this template, so if it gets deleted we don't lose many of the impact this template caused in our history. Still, i would like to see this template kept for its historical importance (or atleast moved to a proper namespace). --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 12:36, 20 August 2007 (BST)

12. Keep per hagnat above. Needs to be used as a reminder of how sucky all the drama was. --Zod Rhombus 06:38, 9 August 2007 (BST)
13. Keep - Drama is as drama does The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talk • contribs) at 07:22 9 August 2007 (BST)
14. Keep - Obviously those voting delete had no clue of the Jjamesgate. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 07:59, 11 August 2007 (BST)

    I know about it, I just don't approve of stuff like this. :)-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 08:04, 11 August 2007 (BST)

15. Delete - This sort of stuff doesn't belong on the wiki in the first place. If ya have a problem with someone here that is causing trouble get a helmet.--Kristi of the Dead 10:49, 11 August 2007 (BST)

Deleted - Vantar 17:23, 24 August 2007 (BST)

Ridleybank Resistance Resistance Front

Well over a year old --Sonny Corleone ^{RRF CoL DORIS CRF pr0n} 03:21, 7 August 2007 (BST)

1. Delete The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talk • contribs) at 04:00 9 August 2007 (BST)
2. Delete - Oh well, now that boxy's broken the ice. -- Atticus Rex ^{mfu pif} Δ 04:06, 9 August 2007 (BST)
3. Keep - why? it bothers anyone? let it be there... --~~~~_T^''' 07:54, 15 August 2007 (BST)
4. Keep - 'tis fine where it is. Let the old groups stay(even if they never really got off the ground).--Karek^maps?! 08:47, 15 August 2007 (BST)
5. Delete - Let's bury this sad dream in the vineyard. --User:Axe27/Sig 22:03, 16 August 2007 (BST)
6. Keep - no reason to delete. I hate the idea that history gets lost because of a time limit.--Jorm 21:28, 18 August 2007 (BST)
7. Keep - in memory of our Shadow Lord --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 21:53, 18 August 2007 (BST)

Kept - Vantar 17:19, 24 August 2007 (BST)

DDR's Travelogue

http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/DDR%27s_Travelogue

I've moved it to a sub page of my group, so the original will now be unused. Please delete it to avoid confusion.--Nallan 10:39, 14 August 2007 (BST)

1. Speedydelete? --~~~~_T^''' 07:52, 15 August 2007 (BST)
2. Speedydelete The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talk • contribs) at 16:11 18 August 2007 (BST)
3. Speeedydelete --The Grimch ^Mod-U! 00:40, 19 August 2007 (BST)

Deleted --The Grimch ^Mod-U! 00:42, 19 August 2007 (BST)

Copyrighted Content

Image:Think_of_the_Children.jpg - Violation of UDWiki:Copyrights policy that Kevan has clearly defined. --Akule ^{School's in session.} 19:14, 8 August 2007 (BST)

1. Delete - Fox's terms and conditions clearly state that "All materials contained in this Site are protected by international trademark and copyright laws and must only be used for personal, non-commercial purposes. This means that you may only view or download material from this Site for your own use and you must keep all copyright and other proprietary notices attached to the downloaded material. The reproduction, duplication, distribution (including by way of email, facsimile or other electronic means), publication, modification, copying or transmission of material from this Site is strictly prohibited unless you have obtained the prior written consent of FOX or unless it is expressly permitted by this Site. The material covered by this prohibition includes, without limitation, any text, graphics, logos, photographs, audio or video material or stills from audiovisual material available on this Site. The use of materials from this Site on any other Web site or networked computer environment is similarly prohibited. Requests for permission to reproduce or distribute materials found on this Site can be made by contacting FOX in writing at terms@fox.com. You are also strictly prohibited from creating works or materials that derive from or are based on the materials contained in this Site including, without limitation, fonts, icons, link buttons, wallpaper, desktop themes, online postcards and greeting cards and unlicensed merchandise. This prohibition applies regardless of whether the derivative materials are sold, bartered or given away." Since Urban Dead is a commercial website, this image cannot be claimed for personal use, and since it has no citation information, was not requested to be used, and in violation of the UD wiki's UDWiki:Copyrights policy, it should be deleted or modified to a non-copyrighted image. --Akule ^{School's in session.} 19:14, 8 August 2007 (BST)
2. Delete - He got us there...I still think he needs a hug though. :P.-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 19:20, 8 August 2007 (BST)
3. Keep Key words: this site. This image was not taken from the any fox-owned site. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 20:38, 8 August 2007 (BST)

   So now we're going with the "letter of the law" eh? Let's look at an example, shall we? "For example, Twentieth Century Fox is the copyright holder of The Simpsons, a popular animated TV show. Fox has given various companies permission to create toys, clothing, games, and books based on The Simpsons television series. Without the express permission of Fox, creating a work based on The Simpsons (or even sharing copies of The Simpsons episodes) would violate the copyright. Unless you have permission, only the person (or entity) who holds the copyright can do the following: Reproduce the work; Create derivatives of the work; Distribute the work; Perform the work in public; Display the work in public; Play a recording of the work in public; It is illegal to violate the copyright of a work by doing any of the action items listed above without the permission of the copyright holder. When you break the law by doing so, it is called "copyright infringement."" Also, Fox has a history of completely shutting down fan-based Simpsons sites. They say it plainly: You are also strictly prohibited from creating works or materials that derive from or are based on the materials contained in this Site including, without limitation, fonts, icons, link buttons, wallpaper, desktop themes, online postcards and greeting cards and unlicensed merchandise. Helen Lovejoy is a character in the simpsons which is a works or materials that derive from or are based on the materials contained on the Fox site. QED. --Akule ^{School's in session.} 20:58, 8 August 2007 (BST)

4. Delete - it's copyrighted, we dont have a choice in the matter.--'BP^Tmz 21:39, 8 August 2007 (BST)
5. Delete - Because Akule gets laid more than you guys who tell him to get laid.--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 21:40, 8 August 2007 (BST)
6. Delete - Because for once Akule is onto something instead of just trying to annoy people with wiki lawyering.--Karek^maps?! 22:27, 8 August 2007 (BST)
7. Delete - There are alternatives in the very likely case this image isn't covered by fair use or something like that. Going against Akule's every request because he deserved it back then when he spammed this page with vexatious cases wouldn't be very mature on my part, no matter how tempting it is. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^YRC☺T☺+1 03:43, 9 August 2007 (BST)

Pathetic The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talk • contribs) at 03:57 9 August 2007 (BST)