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Reductio_ad_absurdum

http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Reductio_ad_absurdum

Group has not been active since 2006. If this group falls under as a historic item. As a new group with the abreviations RAD has been formed. I would like for RAD to link to our new page. Also to be honest, this is all new to me. So if I need to be reached. Please send an email to Robert_weidner@hotmail.com. Thanks. Dr Robert Weidner 23:29, 15 September 2008 (BST)

1. Keep - The reasoning for deleting this is absurd. RAD can be changed there but no one can help you without knowing the new group.--Karek^maps?! 02:16, 16 September 2008 (BST)
2. Keep - and make RAD a disambiguation if you want. --Pdeq^Talk* 06:05, 16 September 2008 (BST)
3. Keep - take RAD, no one will complain - but this group's page is staying.--xoxo 08:42, 16 September 2008 (BST)
4. Keep - we don't delete old groups. however, yes, you can take the redirect, that's fine. --WanYao 18:53, 17 September 2008 (BST)
5. Keep - As above. Conndraka^{mod TAZM CFT} 01:47, 23 September 2008 (BST)

Kept --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 18:35, 30 September 2008 (BST)

United Zombies of Malton

This does not belong on the wiki in its current form, for the following reasons.

And, yes, this is complicated, and I thank you for your time in dealing with it properly.

1. This page duplicates information already freely available on the wiki. To see what I mean, select a group, connect to the external website/portal, and you will see that link you are taken to is dominated by a frame containing that group's wiki page
2. The page is misleading and deceptive. Specifically, if you click on a link to one of the groups you can see a chatbox and various other pieces of information that make it seem as if you're actually connected with and talking to members of the group in question. This, however, is not the case: these interal links/chatboxes, etc. -- as well as the links provided off the UZM page -- are solely the creation and province of zeug and Extinction. Meanwhile, these groups have their own metagaming "infrastructures" and neither need nor desire to be part of this one.
3. The page is misleading and deceptive in another way: its very name, as well as its structure, implies "alliance" or "association" between the included groups -- as well as actual consent to be included -- where no such thing exists. The exact contrary is, in fact, the case (see below).
4. At least 4 groups -- the RRF, MOB, Hambargar Halparz and Infected Swarm (the first two being among the top 4 player groups in UD for overall membership) have asked to be removed from this page / list. These requests have been patently dismissed and ignored by zeug/extinction. Because these large groups -- representing a significant portion of the zombie metagame community -- are in no way connected to the project, and do not wish for any connection to be even implied, any perceived connection is highly problematic, misleading, disingenuous, and not at all in good faith.
5. Now... let's be blunt... In effect, despite claims to the contrary, the UZM is an Extinction propaganda project. It is hosted by zeug/extinction, as can be seen by the browser icons when you connect with the portal. It does not represent any "united zombie" umbrella (as explained) -- in fact a number of major "players" in the zombie community have clearly expressed their displeasure with being listed and associated with this tool. Thus, it is disingenuous, to say the least, to represent it as anything different -- or to present it as merely an "open player resource". --WanYao 18:50, 22 September 2008 (BST)

1. Delete - As above. --WanYao 18:50, 22 September 2008 (BST)

   Discussion moved to talk

2. Delete - As above. --Papa Moloch 18:58, 22 September 2008 (BST)
3. Keep Speedy Delete (Zeug 21:08, 28 September 2008 (BST)) - 1. The UZM Zombie Portal provides a service to the whole community both survivor and zombie by collecting info that is widely dispersed across the wiki and providing an easy open access point.

   - 2. This is my project and independent of Extinction which is treated the same way as the others and included. Some groups do use the shoutboxes and I usually give them the cbox admin pass to control it themselves, the Undeadites are an example.

   - 3. The inclusion of barhah.com is in the interests of providing a full coverage of the UD Zombie-verse.

   - 4. It is both for zeds to use, as some do, and for others to browse, including any interested survivors. The inactive shoutboxes are there for tourists to chat, or they could be used by a survivor group who may wish to track the MoB for instance.

   - 5. It was built over a year ago, and since the main problem here seems to be the term 'United' I could redirect the page to something like UZM Zombie Portal and change the logo. --Zeug 19:22, 22 September 2008 (BST)

4. Delete - Extinction in a popular vote situation? Goodbye page, so long, farewell! -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 20:58, 22 September 2008 (BST)
5. Keep and Edit? - I'm new to this whole wiki vote/edit war thing...but...if iwitness and other tools like that can have wiki pages, I don't see why this can't have one. There's four zombie groups that DO use the thing, along with the four that want nothing to do with it. It's a resource out there, and it's being used. Most of your issues are with the browser itself, NOT the wiki page that is, at the moment, pretty accurately describing said browser. --Jen 21:07, 22 September 2008 (BST)

   Discussion moved to talk

6. Delete - --Jorm 21:16, 22 September 2008 (BST)
7. Delete - If for no other reason than because several groups have asked that their names be removed from it, and the author is refusing to do so - the groups should have the final say on whether or not their names are used on this, and that should be respected by the author. --Target Practice 21:51, 22 September 2008 (BST)
8. Delete - Im too lazy to come up with an actual reason here, because i just woke up and such so im just typing some random ramblings in here so it looks like i have some kind of reason, which i do but cant think of in my present sleep addled state. I might edit this later to add a reason, but i might not. Who knows? --The Grimch ^{U! E!} 00:43, 23 September 2008 (BST)
9. Delete - As above. Conndraka^{mod TAZM CFT} 01:47, 23 September 2008 (BST)
10. Delete - As above and below. (AKA I don't feel like saying why). LemonHead7t7 *̡͌l̡*̡̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡̡|͡|̲̲̲͡͡͡ ̲▫̲͡ ̲̲̲͡͡π̲̲͡͡ ̲̲͡▫̲̲͡͡ ̲|]]| ̡̡̡ ̡ ̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡*̡͌l̡* ^{Talk/PDA/Red Rum/MOB} 05:42, 23 September 2008 (BST)
11. Mostly Keep The shoutboxes should most certainly go but as long as the rest of the page continues to bear the very clear "we are not affiliated and have no reale connection" type disclaimers its perfectly reasonable and useful stuff!--Honestmistake 10:18, 23 September 2008 (BST)

    This has become a witch hunt. The page has clear disclaimers on it and this whole Wiki is supposed to be an information tool for the game, so long as there is no misleading or POV statements on the page it is nothing more than a community page that links to useful info. The actual tool is not a Wiki page and so does not fall under our remit to alter or delete so its pointless arguing. Oh and the whole "united" bit of the name being misleading is a red herring... you might as well try banning the Feral undead because not all Ferals are part of them or the Dead because not all of the dead are... well, Dead! --Honestmistake 10:18, 24 September 2008 (BST)

12. Keep Pretty much the same as Honestmistake. People are failing badly at seeing that this page does not claim that the groups are part of this, it just says that this tool will provide easy access to things related to those groups, such as forums, wiki pages, and so on. The only thing I see that is bad is not even on the wiki page, it's part of the tool. And that is the shoutboxes (as mentioned above) that claim to belong to the group, and the text prior to the link to donations that claims that said group supports Urban Dead. - User:Whitehouse 10:52, 23 September 2008 (BST)

    Well some of the shoutboxes ARE the zed groups, others have fallen out of use and the rest are there for anyone to use to talk about the zed group. As for the link to Kevan's donation site you'll notice the button link includes the groups name in it so if someone donates via the MoB button the link is http://urbandead.com/donate.html#MoB which benefits not only Kevan but ... the MoB. I could remove that easily enough but keep the bare 'donate' button. And for the shoutboxes maybe I could indicate which browsers are in use and which are for tourists? This is all getting wonderfully complicated.--Zeug 11:31, 23 September 2008 (BST)

13. Delete - there was every opportunity to be reasonable about this, and remove groups that didn't want to be associated with it, and those shoutboxes are way out of order. It implies that people are actually contacting the groups in question when they use them. While some groups may use them as intended, those who want no part of this project should not need to monitor "their" shoutbox, on an extinction site, to ensure they arn't being misrepresented -- boxy ^{talk • i} 14:08 23 September 2008 (BST)

    Discussion moved to talk

14. Keep - as far as I can tell, this is an edit war, not a case for deletion. We're setting a poor precedent on this wiki if a page can be deleted just because the person who created it is not well liked and apparently heavily resistant to compromise. Surely any decision about the content of the page needs to be sorted out in arbitration. This looks a lot like mob justice. Poor show. --Funt Solo ^QT 15:47, 23 September 2008 (BST)

    Yes. Especially given comments like, "Your best bet is to just put the page up for deletion and mass meatpuppet it away with your superior numbers." --Jen 17:56, 23 September 2008 (BST)

15. Delete - For the reasons WanYao listed. --Jasonjason 16:47, 23 September 2008 (BST)

    Heh, that would be a double Barhah Barhah whammy? Hands up all those affiliated with barhah.com! Wan? You guys are hilarious. --Zeug 17:02, 23 September 2008 (BST)

    Yeah, what of it? I'm in the RRF, and I'm glad we aren't associated with Extinction in any way. Don't make it look like we are. --Jasonjason 23:26, 23 September 2008 (BST)

16. Delete - As Target Practice. Unrelated groups who want to be removed should be.--Drawde ^{Talk To Me! DORIS Red Rum Defend Ridleybonk! I know Nothing!} 17:31, 23 September 2008 (BST) Keep - Reading Funts post, I too believe an Arbitration case may settle this easier.--Drawde ^{Talk To Me! DORIS Red Rum Defend Ridleybonk! I know Nothing!} 15:33, 24 September 2008 (BST)

    That's a problem with the browser, not the wiki page. The wiki page lists all those groups because the browser "covers" all those groups. Deleting the wiki page will do NOTHING to help that matter. --Jen 18:03, 23 September 2008 (BST)

17. Delete - The CRF is on the list and is not even around anymore. Most of the groups there aren't around or don't want to be on the list. --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 18:30, 23 September 2008 (BST)
18. Keep - As Funt, arbitration is under way. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 18:34, 23 September 2008 (BST)
19. Delete - as above. --Ropponmatsu 19:08, 23 September 2008 (BST)
20. Delete - Liche 19:23, 23 September 2008 (BST)
21. Delete - I really hate the way this thing poses as being associated with The MOB. IT's NOT -- Grogh 19:30, 23 September 2008 (BST)

    Discussion moved to talk

22. Delete - IF information on this external tool should be on the Wiki at all, it should be on the External Links page, not on a page all its own. --Visible One 19:36, 23 September 2008 (BST)

    Iwitness, Malton Map, Malton Meta Tactical Map? - User:Whitehouse 20:10, 23 September 2008 (BST)

    All useful information on this tool can be summed up in an extremely brief section on External Links, unlike those various tools, pages and the external program. Not only that, each of your examples are at least mentioned on External Links anyway. UZM's page isn't.--Visible One 21:22, 23 September 2008 (BST)

23. Delete - --Amber Waves of Pain 19:44, 23 September 2008 (BST)
24. Delete - As per mentions already beaten to death. -- Murray Jay Suskind 21:27, 23 September 2008 (BST)
25. Delete - Although if the links to the groups wanting to be removed to avoid implied endorsement of this tool were actually removed, I would consider withdrawing my vote. - Bisfan 21:58, 23 September 2008 (BST)

    And having looked at it now, the shoutbox for MOB certainly doesn't look like it has any conversation related to what I see in the MOB's IRC, and in fact the nature of the conversation I did see was such that I'd be embarrassed to have the MOB, or the Halparz (RIP) associated with it. - Bisfan 21:58, 23 September 2008 (BST)

26. Keep - Your problem is not with the wikipage (which merely describes the tool), it's with the tool itself. Deleting the wikipage will not fix the problem. --Midianian^{|T|T:S|C:RCS|} 22:23, 23 September 2008 (BST)
27. Keep - If the page belongs to one group, move it to their namespace. If you have issues with some of the content on it, deal with it in arbitration. Nothing making it delete-worthy. --Pdeq^Talk* 00:11, 24 September 2008 (BST)
28. Delete - The page misrepresents itself in a fundamental way, clearly the zombies of malton aren't united at all in this. --RichterFury 01:59, 24 September 2008 (BST)

    Discussion moved to talk

29. Keep and Edit - If a zombie group such as the RRF wants to be removed from the page, remove them. If the rest of the groups don't have any problem with it, I don't see why the whole page should be deleted. --JaredV 02:16, 25 September 2008 (BST)
30. Delete - I really don't understand whats so difficult about deleting the groups on the list off, but since the groups representatives can't do it and the people who made the page won't do it then other actions have to be taken. This is complete and utter BS, the solution is simple and we wouldn't have to go through this if someone just took the groups who didn't like it off the site and the page. Since none of them were even ASKED in the first place if they wanted to be on it or not. --Zoey Zarg 19:54, 25 September 2008 (BST)
31. Keep - Sorry but this doesn't seem like a deletion case. Funt is right, play out the arbies. If Cheese makes the wrong call (i can't see how it can go any way but forcing the delete) then try me again.--xoxo 01:56, 26 September 2008 (BST)
32. Keep - god the pettiness of this wiki sometimes--Kristi of the Dead 06:59, 26 September 2008 (BST)
33. Keep - so we're deleting groups because they annoy us now? if so... Dulston Alliance--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 09:15, 26 September 2008 (BST)

    No one is trying to delete Extinction, or the Extinction Alliance or any such. No... this is about deleting a page which is not a group, and which is fundamentally misleading on many levels. Or, as I have defined it before, "a technologically adept form of impersonation". --WanYao 09:09, 27 September 2008 (BST)

34. Keep - As above. A lot of above. Prolly some below as well, too soon to tell. -- Atticus Rex ^{mfu pif} Δ 09:23, 26 September 2008 (BST)

    So ... can I delete and redirect yet as per the Arbitration case? As the original page author I'd like to request a speedy deletion. --Zeug 21:04, 28 September 2008 (BST)

35. Delete - KIRRU~ --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 21:05, 28 September 2008 (BST)
36. Delete --Mightyoak 01:24, 29 September 2008 (BST)
37. Delete - Mahb bahz zambah zahz "z!z !z ah nah-nah" ahn ah agrah DeadBetty 01:35, 29 September 2008 (BST)

According to the arbitration ruling, "The UZM page shall be deleted and replaced with a page omitting any mention of the "United Zombies of Malton" naming it simply Urban Dead Zombie Portal" the page will be deleted. If there is anything that needs to be salvaged from it, do so now. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 22:39, 28 September 2008 (BST)

Arbitration binds only those users involved and cannot override standard wiki process. As Jorm or Zeug cannot delete the page, to delete it circumvents this process and as such is an unenforceable section of that ruling. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 22:49, 28 September 2008 (BST)

Interesting, well as original page author I'm fine with and requesting a speedy deletion, not that it matters I guess. I've completed the other arbitration rulings for the new UZM and this page can be deleted at the wiki's pleasure.--Zeug 00:01, 29 September 2008 (BST)

Yeah, I'm sorry... but I don't see how the Arby case can call for the deletion of a page... and in doing so, override this process -- which began before the Arbitration was filed, and is completely independent of it. There is a problem here... But it's not my problem, b/c I am involved solely in this Deletion request, not the Arby. --WanYao 15:13, 29 September 2008 (BST)

Nothing to do with Krazy's arbitration wan apart from it makes this entire deletions thread completely superfluous ... most especially if the page author has changed his vote to Speedy Deletion! We can wait til next week if need be but isn't this exercize now a complete waste of wiki resources? Why bother? --Zeug 19:24, 29 September 2008 (BST)

I might as well play it safe and leave it for now. It'll be deleted soon anyways. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 21:33, 29 September 2008 (BST)

Seriously, what is wrong with you people? You all go "forum shopping" posting this on deletions and arbitration then complain when you get two conflicting results? What did you think was going to happen? Personally, I think the arbitration decision should stand over this deletion voting because both the author and the community had an equal opportunity to voice their concerns. Voting always runs the risk of meat/sock puppets while discussion and discourse are more fair. And if in this instance you all decide that the policy/procedure should trump the compromise and discussion of arbitration then you will be basically saying "We don't want to think for ourselves. We want to be slaves to policy." I know arby's is "broken", but it is the best system we have that tries to be fair and balanced. By saying that wiki procedure trumps a legitimate arbitration then we might as well post Arby's on this page next to UZM. --– Nubis ^NWO 21:48, 29 September 2008 (BST)

• Speedied by teh Gnomezor. -- Cheese 21:58, 29 September 2008 (BST)

Cult of Reathxia

A group that does not actually exist, nor does it have anyhing to do with the person it refers to. The page was created by a member of the Cult of the Stuffed Crocodile to mock an enemy, Reathxia, who has nothing to do with this group. All of this is apparent from reading the page and consulting the (rejected) speedydeletion request. --WanYao 12:24, 6 September 2008 (BST)

1. Delete - As above. --WanYao 12:25, 6 September 2008 (BST)
2. Delete --Pdeq^Talk* 18:24, 7 September 2008 (BST)
3. Delete --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 22:39, 7 September 2008 (BST)
4. Delete --Thari ^{TжFedCom is BFI!} 05:10, 8 September 2008 (BST)
5. Keep - Just because I'm against anything that Izumi Orimoto asks for. --Stephen Colbert DFA 21:00, 18 September 2008 (BST)
6. Keep – Diskspace = cheep, parody/satire is a valid form of expression, and the stated reasons of the speedy deletion request's propagator go better with salt. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 01:31, 19 September 2008 (BST)
7. keep what possible reason could there be to delete this? It's not especially funny but its not particularly offensive either. --Honestmistake 10:46, 19 September 2008 (BST)

   It's a pointless mock group. The supposed leader in the game isn't even a member of the group, but is of the Church of Reathxia. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 18:01, 19 September 2008 (BST)

   It's not a real group. It's not even a wiki group. It's spam. If you want to keep it -- which is legitimate, I suppose -- then it should be merged with either the its creator's User-space, or merged as a subpage of whatever uninteresting group propounded the "satire" -- in this case some lizard cossplayers? --WanYao 20:34, 19 September 2008 (BST)

   If you merge it then it becomes part of that group's namespace and therefore their property. It's never good to give people control over third party satires of themselves. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 22:59, 19 September 2008 (BST)

   He's not saying that the page should be transferred into the satarised persons group or user space, it should be in the creators space, somewhere (I just cant tell who created it since the history wipe has... wiped that history) -- boxy ^{talk • i} 16:39 20 September 2008 (BST)

   As far as I was aware, it's from the Cult of the Stuffed Crocodile... But the very fact that we don't even know for certain who created it is even more reason to just delete it. --WanYao 08:20, 22 September 2008 (BST)

8. Delete --Midianian^{|T|T:S|C:RCS|} 19:34, 19 September 2008 (BST)
9. Keep - . . <== DDR Approved Editor 20:08, 19 September 2008 (BST)

   Delete - lame -- boxy ^{talk • i} 16:39 20 September 2008 (BST) Late. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 21:36, 23 September 2008 (BST)

   Keep - Other groups make fake parody pages. And... what Revenant said. --Tselita 16:54, 20 September 2008 (BST) Late. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 21:36, 23 September 2008 (BST)

   Such as? Such as Red Rum fake DK13 "Martial Law" page, for example? (I CBA to find it, maybe someone else will...) Guess what? That was made a subpage of Red Rum... Which is exactly what this should be: a subpage of the group/user who made it. Barring that possibility, it should be deleted. --WanYao 08:22, 22 September 2008 (BST)

   Keep - as a prolific author of parody pages myself (though mine are more funny) - I see this as the beginning of a slippery slope of critical commentary guiding wiki inclusion. Let it be unless there's some real reason to kill it.--Sarah Silverman 19:54, 22 September 2008 (BST) Late. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 21:36, 23 September 2008 (BST)

   Keep - As above. Conndraka^{mod TAZM CFT} 01:47, 23 September 2008 (BST) Late. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 21:36, 23 September 2008 (BST)

There were some votes that were late, so the final result is 5 deletes and 4 keeps. Deleted. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 21:36, 23 September 2008 (BST)

Umbrella Influence Zone

By mistake this page became a duplicate of another one. It was my creation and this deletion has my permission (is it even needed..), so no voting needed. Please delete.--MisterGame 20:36, 22 September 2008 (BST)

EDIT: Oh, I think this qualifies for speedy deletion.--MisterGame 20:41, 22 September 2008 (BST)

1. Delete - Crit 7 please. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 20:59, 22 September 2008 (BST)
2. Speedy - Yep, it does. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 21:06, 22 September 2008 (BST)
3. Speedy - Indeedy. -- Cheese 21:11, 22 September 2008 (BST)

Speedily deleted. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 21:19, 22 September 2008 (BST)

SGP Violators

As Sacred Ground Policy Breakers below: imprimatur of official authority, no standard of proof, no redemption policy, defamatory, subject to abuse with no recourse, blah blah blah. -- Atticus Rex ^{mfu pif} Δ 16:41, 29 August 2008 (BST)

Long past two weeks. Can we get a ruling? -- Atticus Rex ^{mfu pif} Δ 18:59, 15 September 2008 (BST)

Delete this, please. --WanYao 18:52, 17 September 2008 (BST)

1. Delete - Like I said. -- Atticus Rex ^{mfu pif} Δ 16:41, 29 August 2008 (BST)
2. Delete - As above, and below. --WanYao 16:53, 29 August 2008 (BST)
3. Delete ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 18:04, 29 August 2008 (BST)
4. Delete - haha the list of 5 "brain rotters, who wait at cemeteries" made me smile :) --xoxo 01:30, 30 August 2008 (BST)

Deleted --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 18:57, 17 September 2008 (BST)

Sacred Ground Policy Breakers

This page is terrible. I have no problem with the wiki being used to keep lists of violators of ANY policy regardless of it's support or whatever, hell i don't even care if people keep hit lists of a random group of people with no connection. What's dodgy about this page is that its a community list rather than a private group's kill list which gives it a sense of officialness and of course there is no proof requirement which means anyone can add anyone to the list and have community think they are ZOMGZ RPKER!! This page simply shouldn't exist.--xoxo 14:13, 29 August 2008 (BST)

Long past two weeks. Can we get a ruling? -- Atticus Rex ^{mfu pif} Δ 18:59, 15 September 2008 (BST)

Delete this, too, please. --WanYao 18:52, 17 September 2008 (BST)

1. Delete - You know what? J3D is right, this page is bullshit. It's defamatory... but since no one runs this, it's associated with no group... therefore it's "community"... I can't trash talk someone specifically on any other community page, so why here? And, it doesn't require any evidence. And, there is no maintenance or scheduling people for deletion or anything. It's just useless, defamatory, speculative, non-NPOV, I mean there is nothing redeeming. This page should just go. --WanYao 15:05, 29 August 2008 (BST)
2. Move - I would normally agree, because you are both quite right... But I feel for those that put the effort into making such a page... So I suggest contacting the creators of the page, finding their asssociated groups and creating a group subpage. Either that or a user subpage. I know it seems impossible, so basically, if the above can't be done, I think deletion is the only option. Apologies for my idealistic (rather than realistic) vote. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 15:16, 29 August 2008 (BST)
3. Delete - I've never paid much attention to this page, or its similar counterpart SGP Violators because of the lack of proof required and because meh, headshots at RPs are simply more evidence of trenchitude in Malton. And realistically there are too damn many people on this list to add them to contacts, and who's gonna check against this list when evaluating a revive candidate? Additionally, I see people I know on this list, probably for putting down rotter squatters since I know for a fact they respect SGP -- so yeah, defamatory. -- Atticus Rex ^{mfu pif} Δ 16:36, 29 August 2008 (BST)
4. Delete ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 18:04, 29 August 2008 (BST)

Deleted --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 18:57, 17 September 2008 (BST)

Page no longer needed

Area_51/Alpha_Squad that page is no long needed because Alpha squad has been dissbanded in Area 51 and it is not going to be needed because we will keep all squad stuff on our forums and the Area 51 wiki page —The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Fanglord2 (talk • contribs) at an unknown time.

Err...i was gonna A/SD this for him but i can't see what crit it is. It's almost a 7 coz it's his page but other group people have edited it.--xoxo 01:35, 30 August 2008 (BST)

1. Speedydelete - The group's regular wiki editor requested it, and although others in the group have edited the page in the past, I think this should fit into the spirit of crit 7, given that the "page owner" is the group, and they're the only "one" to edit it (or care) -- boxy ^{talk • i} 14:53 11 September 2008 (BST)
2. Speedy - As Boxy. -- Cheese 16:25, 11 September 2008 (BST)
3. Speedy - If you define "owner" as the group and the group's primary editor as an appropriate representative for the group, this is a clear Crit 7. -- Atticus Rex ^{mfu pif} Δ 19:17, 13 September 2008 (BST)

Speedily deleted. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 19:26, 13 September 2008 (BST)

Talk:Suggestions

EDIT: So nice to see that policy doesn't matter on this page, too. I would hate A/VB to be the only Admin page that gets that privilege. Once the deletion request has been entered, the request shall remain on this page, where it will be voted on for a period of two (2) weeks, -- #99 ^DCC 23:55, 8 September 2008 (BST)

Crit 1 and Crit 2. Nothing good ever comes out of this page. It has no content beyond amusing trolling and butthurt fucking pubbies that can't be bothered to read the posting rules of the page and then get all pissed when their suggestions are duped. Most of the suggestions that have actually made it into Peer Reviewed this year were not worked on on Talk:Suggestions because the poster actually thought about the idea and has experience with the game. This page should be deleted. Come on! You know you want to!!-- #99 ^DCC 15:26, 8 September 2008 (BST)

1. Delete--- #99 ^DCC 15:28, 8 September 2008 (BST)
2. Delete -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 17:13, 8 September 2008 (BST)
3. Keep - If you don't like the page, don't read it. --Pdeq^Talk* 17:17, 8 September 2008 (BST)

   Merge - Should be subpage of trenchcoater. Because, contrary to DCC's statement, most good ideas are actually posted here first -- because smart suggestors prefer to consult with other smart suggestors. However, these suggestors have other ways of communicating, whether because of their wiki knowledge or metagaming contacts. Meanwhile, the bulk of the page belongs as a subpage of trenchcoater wiki. --WanYao 17:33, 8 September 2008 (BST)

4. Keep - My now serious vote on this legitimate deletions request. I think Talk:Suggestions is a joke. But let's have a policy debate on the whole Suggestions system. This deletions request -- while little different than, say, SGP Violators below, and thus a valid request -- is a bit disingenuous. --WanYao 20:39, 8 September 2008 (BST)
5. Keep - Even if it were true that most reviewed suggestions didn't go through Talk:Suggestions, I'm pretty sure that most of the suggestions that got spaminated or duped didn't go through Talk:Suggestions either. Which is to say that it's doing a fine job of keeping dupes and the completely retarded suggestions out of the main system. --Midianian^{|T|T:S|C:RCS|} 17:46, 8 September 2008 (BST)

   Midianian, many of the spaminated and duped suggestions were posted on Talk:Suggestions and the posters on there told them it was a bad idea but the author went ahead and posted it anyway. One word: NAILGUN. Everything she posted on Talk:Suggestions she went right ahead and posted as a real one no matter what the comments were. -- #99 ^DCC 23:54, 8 September 2008 (BST)

   Aw, DCC remembers me. Actually there were a lot of people who liked Nailgun. It was mainly your 'guys' who didn't. And even with the sockpuppeters who ruined it, it still had over 50 Keeps. Get over it DCC --Tselita 14:12, 19 September 2008 (BST)

6. Keep or indeed Humourous. Justified. But it needs fixing. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 17:57, 8 September 2008 (BST)

Humourous - The Suggestions pages are an innate part of the wiki, it's one of the reasons why this wiki exists. It's here for an easy place for Kevan to look at ideas and not answer thousands of email suggestions. Please don't waste everyone's time. This is almost as ridiculous as putting deletions up for deletions. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 19:06, 8 September 2008 (BST)

Wasting everyone's time? What the fuck do you actually do around here AHLG? -- #99 ^DCC 23:54, 8 September 2008 (BST)

Wrongly Organised pages

The follow pages are Shades of malton pages, but were not filed under Shades of malton.
I have changed the links, for example the S.R.R.T. link is now filed under SoM like:
http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Shades_of_malton/S.R.R.T.

These are the pages that now need to be deleted due to them being empty and not needed, thankyou.

http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Home_Defense_Unit
http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/S.R.R.T.
http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Rover

Any issues? please contact me.

Skinny Bones Jones Write me. 20:32, 26 August 2008 (BST)

1. Speedy Not exactly crit 7, but Definitely crit 1. Conndraka^{mod TTBA CFT} 03:43, 27 August 2008 (BST)
2. Speedy --Toejam 10:29, 27 August 2008 (BST)
3. Speedy ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 18:04, 29 August 2008 (BST)

Deleted speedily. --Daranz^{.t.mod janitor} 01:44, 3 September 2008 (BST)

Fascism

Crits 1 and 2 - content repeated elsewhere, i.e. on the wikipedia, for instance. And the "definition" has nothing directly to do with UD: people self-define as pro- or contra- various IRL ideologies in the game, but if you want a "definition" of these, then go to the wikipedia or take high school poli sci or something. The accuracy of the "definition" provided is highly debatable anyway... so let's not set the stage for drama with various individuals or groups over this... --WanYao 03:42, 10 August 2008 (BST)

This page has been extensively change since the deletion request was made -- boxy ^{talk • i} 06:30 10 August 2008 (BST)

The author agreeed to speedydelete this. Why is it still here??? --WanYao 15:13, 29 August 2008 (BST)

In fact, the two weeks is up for regular deletion, and it's been voted to Delete 12 deletes to 3 keeps. Why is this still here??? --WanYao 17:05, 29 August 2008 (BST)

1. Keep.Re. Criterion #1: content repeated on "the wikipedia"?? Nonsense. This is the internets, buddy. Everything is repeated everywhere. Does not qualify for first criterion. Second, it IS an accurate, though certainly not exhaustive definition. It is roughly, as you say, at the level of a high-school political science class. Granted that it is a meta-gaming term, this does not make it irrelevant; there are a wide variety of political meta-gaming terms on the UDWiki. However, most of them - take socialism, for example, redirect to pages listing groups espousing that particular philosophy. Given the preponderance of the terms "fascism" and "fascist" within the wiki, and the fact that there are no groups stepping in to identify as such, it is reasonable that a neutral page clear this up. Further, doesn't creating drama in an attempt to circumvent drama serve as a contradiction in terms? Please, WanYao. Nobody is fooled by the condescending tone or "above such menial concerns" attitude. Next time, be a grown-up and send me a message so we can sort it out like human beings. --Blackboard 04:23, 10 August 2008 (BST)

   As far as I am aware, there are no other pages being set up to define political ideologies on this wiki. Because this is IMO not the place for that. There ARE in-game groups that present themselves as adhering to these ideologies, however. Which is great. And these groups define their ideologies, if at all, in their group pages -- which is perfect. "Fascism" is NOT a meta-gaming term, however... That's pretty obvious. And, there are in-game groups aligning themselves with fascist ideology... Because, semantics notwithstanding, the use of the term Fascism has transcended its historical specificity -- and not merely as pejoritive term, either. But once again, I don't consider the UD wiki the place for hashing out these often controversial definitions... it's that simple. --WanYao 04:36, 10 August 2008 (BST)

   However, if you're going to define here, at least get it right. Because contemporary definitions of fascism DO transcend the historical specificity of early to mid 20th century Europe, e.g. its application to states such as Pinochet's Chile, or its (justifiable to many, if done properly) use to define certain tendencies and trends in contemporary politics... I know you know what I am talking about... but it's exactly this can of definitional worms that really has no place in the wiki for a zombie game... And that's my point. --WanYao 04:56, 10 August 2008 (BST)

   So. Although that you "don't consider the UD wiki the place for hashing out these often controversial definitions", there is - according to the accepted speedy deletion criteria, no legitimate reason for a speedy deletion. Fascism, communism, nepotism, botulism - these are ALL meta-gaming terms; they have no official place within the game, but we, the meta-gamers, provide a framework for them. If you disagree with the page itself, the appropriate forum is the respective discussion page, not here; if you were a fascist group which took umbrage with me creating a page which they themselves would have preferred to create, then we could collaborate on the page itself. However - and I'm not going to be drawn into a flame war here - this wiki is a public forum, NOT subject to your judgment of what is or what is not appropriate. --Blackboard 04:59, 10 August 2008 (BST)

   First, you can't assume that I know what you're talking about; and second, I specifically address the contemporary application of the term fascist. As we have gone over, it is a simple definition, meant not to provide an exhaustive nor controversial explanation by any means, but rather to bring a bit of order to the wiki. One can't assume that every gamer is going to know what fascism is, and when an actively recruiting group purports to be anti-fascist, it might be nice to know what that entails. Again, this is a wiki; it is a public forum, with primarily user-generated material. Whatever doesn't detract from it adds to it. If the page becomes a legitimate problem, there are ways of dealing with it. Killing it in its infancy because you don't like it is unacceptable.--Blackboard 05:08, 10 August 2008 (BST)

   I did not put this up for regular deletions; someone else moved it here. And I have commented further on your talk page. I accept the result of this being taken off speedy deletions, and own up to whatever errors I have made in categorising it as Crit 1. However I stand by my assertion that this does not belong on the wiki for a zombie MMORPG, for the reasons that I have outlined -- which are copied above, and elaborated on your talk page. 'Nuff said. --WanYao 05:22, 10 August 2008 (BST)

2. Speedydelete - Crit 2. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 05:14, 10 August 2008 (BST)
3. Speedy - Crit 2 and don't forget the redirect Fascists--– Nubis ^NWO 13:03, 10 August 2008 (BST)
4. Speedy - Crit 2 (if I am allowed to vote on this). And, unfortunately, the new edits make this page WORSE, more off-topic and less useful than the original edit! --WanYao 17:55, 10 August 2008 (BST) And if anyone really wants to wade through it, detailed arguments as to why this does vs. does not belong on the UD wiki can be found here, on Blackboard's Talk page. --WanYao 18:15, 10 August 2008 (BST)
5. Speedy then guys, Jesus. I saw what seemed to be a bit of a hole in the wiki, and I tried to fill it. There's no need to get so self-righteous about it. Nice work sucking the fun out of this, Wan. You're a credit to the site. --Blackboard 19:45, 10 August 2008 (BST)

   Oh get over yourself, puh-leeeeze. No, seriously... Now you're acting like one of those trenchies from the suggestions page who argues and whines and calls everyone names when their bad idea is torn to pieces. No one is accusing you of vandalism or bad faith, no one is calling you a BAD PERSON or anything. But it's an off content page. In spite of your protestations to the contrary, there seems to be a consensus to this effect. Now just deal... without all the whinging and name-calling, if you can manage it. --WanYao 21:02, 10 August 2008 (BST)

   I don't recall any name-calling. And I agreed to yank it. Obviously I'm new. I'm just saying it wouldn't have killed you to be a bit cordial about it. Don't be aggressive and then berate me for being defensive. How about, "Hey Blackboard, the edits you made to this page don't fit with the spirit of the wiki, is there something we can do about it?" That way, a.I'd learn something about what is and is not appropriate here (the easy way), b.perhaps content which is useful and appropriate can be substituted for what you don't like, and c.we don't waste all this time, both yours and mine and everyone else who rules on this. And d. we could be best buds!! Anyway, feel free to keep an eye on whatever else I'm doing - and if you don't like it, just drop me a line. (and if I thought you had a sense of humor here... I'd add, "Fascist" and maybe like a winkface or something) --Blackboard 22:13, 10 August 2008 (BST)

   You just engaged in name-calling, you pedantic wanker. In your fucking vote above. At least I own up to it when I'm asshole and call people names: but you hide behind passive-aggressive blathering. BTW... I can't be bothered to read your last post. If only wiki had an "ignore" feature. --WanYao 04:50, 11 August 2008 (BST)

   Ooh! Are we gonna flame this up?? Well, I'm not a name-caller, you're the name-caller! Quit calling me names, you name-calling name-caller! NAME-CALLER NAME-CALLER! --Blackboard 09:21, 11 August 2008 (BST)

6. EDIT/DELETE Either someone has already cleaned it up or its just an unbiased section with no real purpose! Express how anti-fascist you are or do the opposite and get hammered. Just don't delete the template.--User:Jackson 03:25, 11 August 2008 (BST)
7. SpeedyDelete - the UD wiki is not a glossary or a dictionary, linking someone to wikipedia is far more appropriate, and descriptive. Techercizer ^(Food) _(TSoE) 01:58, 16 August 2008 (BST)
8. Delte First of all its a crit 2 but I also believe that the definition of fascism is different for everyone, and from reading this page I see it doesn't serve an important purpose in explaining anything. Also it seems to say that anything that does not support anarchism is fascism which is bull.--SirArgo ^Talk 04:02, 22 August 2008 (BST)
9. Delte DEM? seriously?--Kristi of the Dead 14:48, 22 August 2008 (BST)
10. Delete - Crit 2, and we have interwiki links for a reason, use them.--Karek^maps?! 18:31, 22 August 2008 (BST)
11. Keep. especially since the page now contains specific references to certain UD groups... Conndraka^{mod TTBA CFT} 00:42, 23 August 2008 (BST)
12. Speedy - Crit 2. Those groups listed there do not even identify themselves as fascist, and I've never heard of anyone broadcasting that they are. And even if they are in some way fascist, the way that tag is applied to them is so shallow my head hurts just thinking about it. --Aeon17x 00:55, 23 August 2008 (BST)
13. Delete - Because I'm getting fucking tired of people calling the DEM Fascist, when our leadership is a democracy. The entire page as it stands now is more or less one massive pot-shot at us under the guise of an informative article. Word to your mother Conndraka, Labine50 ^{MEMS | MHG} 20:13, 24 August 2008 (BST)
14. Delete - because the Fascist DEM Police State are going to buy all of my alts Brain Rot if I don't vote. --Bob Fortune ^RR 01:56, 25 August 2008 (BST)
15. Keep - lul @ Wan's bushism ("the wikipedia"), apologies if someones already said that in the tl;dr crap above me. As for this page i don't really seeing it as doing much harm.--xoxo 14:16, 29 August 2008 (BST)

Deleted. --Daranz^{.t.mod janitor} 01:44, 3 September 2008 (BST)