UDWiki:Administration/Vandal Banning/Archive/2009 11

This page is for the reporting of vandalism within the Urban Dead wiki, as defined by vandalism policy. On this wiki, the punishment for Vandalism is temporary banning, but due to security concerns, the ability to mete out this punishment is restricted to System Operators. As such, regular users will need to lodge a report for a Vandal to be banned from the wiki. For consistency and accountability, System Operators are requested to note on this board their actions in dealing with Vandals.

Guidelines for Vandalism Reporting

In dealing with Vandalism, time is often of the essence. As such, we ask that all users include the following information in a Vandalism report:

• A link to the pages in question.

Preferably bolded for visibility. If the Vandalism is occurring over a sufficiently large number of pages, instead include a time range of the vandalism attempt, or alternatively, a link to the first vandalised page. This allows us to quickly find the damage so we can quickly assess the situation.

• The user name of the Vandal.

This allows us to more easily identify the culprit, and to check details.

• A signed datestamp.

For accountability purposes, we ask that you record in your request your user name and the time you lodged the report.

• Please report at the top.

There's conflict with where to post and a lot of the reports are missed. If it's placed at the top of the page it's probably going to be seen and dealt with.

If you see Vandalism in progress, don't wait for System Operators to deal with it, as there may be no System Operator online at the time. Lodge the report, then start reverting pages back to their original form. This can be done by going to the "History" tab at the top of the page, and finding the last edit before the Vandal's attack. When a System Operator is available, they'll assess the situation, and if the report is legitimate, we will take steps to either warn the vandal, or ban them if they are on their second warning.

If the page is long, you can add new reports by editing the top report and placing your new report above its header in the edit screen.

Before Submitting a Report

• This page, Vandal Banning, deals with bad-faith breaches of official policy.
• Interpersonal complaints are better sorted out at UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration.
• As much as is practical, assume good faith and try to iron out problems with other users one to one, only using this page as a last resort.
• Avoid submitting reports which are petty.

Vandalism Report Space

Administration Notice Talk with the user before reporting or accusing someone of vandalism for small edits. In most cases it's simply a case of a new user that doesn't know how this wiki works. Sometimes assuming good faith and speaking with others can avoid a lot of drama, and can even help newbies feel part of this community. Administration Notice If you are not a System Operator, the user who made the vandal report, the user being reported, or directly involved in the case, the administration asks that you use the talk page for further discussion. Free-for-all commenting can lead to a less respectful environment. Administration Notice Warned users can remove one entry of their warning history every one month and 250 edits after their last warning. Remember to ask a sysop to remove them in due time. You are as responsible for keeping track of your history as the sysops are; In case of a sysop wrongly punishing you due to an outdated history, he might not be punished for his actions.

Spambots

Spambots are to be reported on this page. New reports should be added to the top. Reports may be purged after one week.

There were a bunch of spambit-looking account creations on the 17th, these are the live ones at present.

• HaroldBeaman (contribs | logs | block | del userpage | IP Check)
• HallieKetcham7 (contribs | logs | block | del userpage | IP Check)
• AlexanderNoyes7 (contribs | logs | block | del userpage | IP Check)--Cheese 17:51, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

  Damn I legit missed these, thanks. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 03:13, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

• Blocked a large surge of bots --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 01:08, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
• YasminLashbrook (contribs | logs | block | del userpage | IP Check) --VVV ^RPMBG 06:35, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
• LoganDos626 (contribs | logs | block | del userpage | IP Check) --VVV ^RPMBG 06:35, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

  Both done DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION 09:25, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

November 2009

User:Cyberbob240

Cyberbob240 (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Verdict	{{{1}}}
Action taken	{{{2}}}

Repeatedly reverted my attempts to move an off topic and disrespectful comment from the page. 2 of those reverts were after i specifically contacted him via his talk page. Bob should know that his sysopship is not a free-for-all commenting get out of jail free pass and i can't see how i could have gone about this in a more avoiding drama way. xoxo 10:12, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

bloop Cyberbob  Talk  10:14, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

what's this? jed... using proper english...? must be something dearly important to him Cyberbob  Talk  10:14, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm a right bill shakespeare! xoxo 10:16, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Not vandalism - you went out of your way to comment specifically on his ruling. He replied -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 10:42 16 November 2009 (BST)

Not Vandalism. As the boxman states. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 10:45, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

See the talk page Cyberbob  Talk  10:49, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

User:J3D

J3D (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Verdict	{{{1}}}
Action taken	{{{2}}}

For practically baiting Boxy into a misconduct case without any perceivable desire to have his data actually struck.

This case was brought after he "asked" (threatened) Boxy into striking him as per guidelines. He didn't ask anyone else, just Boxy, and he said Boxy would face A/M over it if he didn't. Responding aggressively to the moronic threat, J3D put Box up after 4 minutes. He didn't even wait to see if Boxy was going to stand by his ambiguous reply. 30 minutes later, it was easily struck as one would expect, and J3D happily retracts the case.

We don't use A/M just to get such petty things done and it's a waste of the system and makes a mockery of of the red tape we already have in place- If he really wanted the striking J3D could have easily just have spammed several sysop talk pages, including Kevan like he did yesterday, when he didn't even qualify for descalation at the time. I'm sick of his jump-the-gun fire-at-will attitude towards sysops kissing his feet and licking his dick within minutes of his whim.

The last case which J3D got escalated for this crap.

--DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 09:44, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Yeah i can't think of one reason why i chose boxy....oh wait, according to RC he was the only active op!!! And as i clearly explained on the a/m case, i am sick and tired of sysops consistently dragging the chain with regards to my strikings and making as much debacle out of the thing as possible. I wanted it done while i was active and at the time i thought i was only going to briefly active (then i found out this net is actually functioning now and entirely free :D). As you are well aware ddr i have been repeatedly fucked over by ops regarding striking so either unprotect that page and let me do my own striking or accept that i will be aggressive in expecting that sysops strike while i'm online to supervise. xoxo 10:16, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

RL doesn't command what happens on udwiki- your 4 minutes on a shifty internet connection may seem precious there, but it doesn't mean that 4 minutes on here is an appropriate timeframe to threaten a sysop with A/M to have your way. As I said before, you should have gone for the whole shebang and just spammed every Aus Sysop- there are plenty to go around, and given that the only reason we hadn't struck you already was those 3 edits; it wouldn't have been too difficult to imagine it being done. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 10:22, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Last time i 'imagined' having it done it wasn't, which in the end resulting in me missing my next striking by a matter of days and thus coping a ban over a warning, while yes you can say i just shouldn't have vandalised or whatever - sysop laziness or whatever you want to call it meant i coped an extra escalation when sufficient time since my past vandalism had passed for a striking. Eh, theres nothing more to say on this really. Although i'm surprised by how bob voted and how clear and articulate his justification was. xoxo 09:24, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Given the very loose definition of "250 good-faith edits" we use (basically any 250 edits) for deescalation, you should simply STFU already. You're already on a pretty good wicket, all things considered -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 09:30 16 November 2009 (BST)

As opposed to SA's stunning display of prose? Mayhaps you should just not bother the next time the idea for making a little snipe like that pops into your head, you aren't very good at them. Cyberbob  Talk  09:34, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism Cyberbob  Talk  10:25, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

dasgfadsjkasgdklnvasgdiurewhgfuiahguioeg-- SA 15:45, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Just Vandalism. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 09:51, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

So is this added to the upcoming harassment banning case or does J3D get the Iscariot 2 years of "Get out of Jail Free for being a Prick" treatment?-- #99 ^DCC 15:11, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

User:Iscariot

Iscariot (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Verdict	Not vandalism
Action taken	None required

stricking vouches in a promotion bid. Promotion bids are NOT votes, therefore any input made by any user while the bureaucrat team doesnt reach a decision IS VALID. After i removed the strikeout, Iscariot struck the vouch again. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[talk] [wcdz]} 17:33, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Precedent. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 17:38, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

we used to enslave other people, should we use this precedent to allow slavery back ? These strikeouts werent removed back then, but yours got and you were pointed out that vouches shouldnt be struck, yet you reverted the strickeout, therefore vandalism. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[talk] [wcdz]} 17:43, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Can someone translate this so I can respond please? -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 17:47, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

I think he means to say this: "These strikeouts were not removed back then, but your strikeouts got removed and you were told that vouches shouldn't be struck, yet you reverted the strikeout back on the page, and that is vandalism." I think he means that this is vandalism because you struck the vote again, after you were told not to do. Personally, I don't see the vandalism here, this is more a dispute about the interpretation of the rules then vandalism, but Hagnat thinks otherwise it seems.--Thadeous Oakley 18:33, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Not Vandalism - The two week thing and its status as not-a-vote are independent of each other. Cyberbob  Talk  17:42, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

yes, but does this give the right of a user to strike other user's vouches ? And remain stricking them after being told not to ? --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[talk] [wcdz]} 17:45, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes it does give the right to users to strike vouches/againsts/whatevers after the two-week expiry date (actually it doesn't as that right always existed just as it does with unsigned votes on things), and I don't really see what him having been "told" has any bearing on anything given that you don't have any authority to pass that kind of judgement. Cyberbob  Talk  17:49, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

We all remember this, yes? Not Vandalism, but methinks the striking should go. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 23:37, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Not Vandalism, Iscariot can strike things after the voting period ends, he, along with others have done it for ages now. You are in no position to tell anyone not to strike a vote hagnat. In fact, you should have came here first instead of trying to take charge over another user, when you have nothing showing that you "rank" higher than him. Also, fuck striking.-- SA 00:06, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

User:Kkkkkkkkkooo

Kkkkkkkkkooo (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Verdict	Vandalism
Action taken	Perma

Tonight's entertainment is vandal sprees it seems. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 21:06, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Permabanned by cheese/crazy as an account purely used for vandalism. or someting. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 21:46, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

User:Malikronthedouche

Malikronthedouche (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Verdict	Vandalism
Action taken	Perma-ban

Second vandal attack directed at RDD personnel in, what, a week? We're getting popular. Please perform a check user test on this one, as well. 20:30, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Also, just fucking wow. Someone's a fucking child. 20:33, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

I was Just waiting for the third edit, permabanned. checkuser shows nothing. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 20:35, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

User:Shut up noob

Shut up noob (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Verdict	Vandalism
Action taken	Perma

I was just about to accuse him of being a sock when he vandalised Winman's page.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 18:25, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

He is a sock. Check user shows it. He's using the noob account as a cover up to try and say "Look he's mesisng my stuff up it's not a sock!" or something.-- SA 18:29, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Banned V-- SA 21:05, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

User:Winman1

Winman1 (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Verdict	Vandalism
Action taken	Warning

I don't quite remember what we do when we find multi-account abusers, but Check User confirms Shut up noob as an alt, and he's using it to vote on his own things along with his main. So, I have to leave, I need groceries, but here you guys go.-- SA 18:25, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

We ban the alt, Shut up noob in this case, and warn the main. All multi-votes are then struck. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 20:16, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you Iscariot. Bannen'+warning naow-- SA 21:02, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

User:Matt_Aries

Matt_Aries (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Verdict	Vandalism
Action taken	Already dealt with.

While looking at D.o.W., a group page recently put up for deletion by the above user, Matt, I checked who originally created the page which led to User:XxCannon_FodderxX. When I checked his page history I stumbled on this little gem. I'm not sure what the policy on dated vandalism is, because in three days it will be exactly a year ago since this edit was made, but it is vandalism nonetheless. --Thadeous Oakley 18:17, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

He does claim that a character by that name is an alt he doesn't use. Lets hear what else has to be said, eh?-- SA 19:07, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

He's CannonFodder? It would have helped allot if he mentioned he was the author at Deletions, it would be a speedy, rather then all those keep votes. --Thadeous Oakley 19:30, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Thats the thing though. He could easily NOT be him, and could quite easily be trying to take over another players alias. :/ -- SA 19:50, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

This was missed vandalism from this case. Vandalism, but already dealt with accordingly -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 10:26 9 November 2009 (BST)

Well alright, I undid his edit, so I guess this is case closed.--Thadeous Oakley 20:55, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

User:Rdd member

Rdd member (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Verdict	Sockpuppet
Action taken	Sock banned, main warned

Two edits to RDD. Both against the wishes and principles of the group. Talking to the group leader confirms that this is not a member of the group, hence request perma under impersonation grounds, precedent as when someone registered Bob's signature name and that alt was perma-ed. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 14:49, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

As RDD leader, I can confirm that this is not one of ours. Petty schoolkid vandalism, but throw the book at 'em nonetheless. 14:51, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Check user confirms this as an alt of C whitty. Alt banned main escalated.-- SA 15:04, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

User:Iscariot

Iscariot (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Verdict	Not Vandalism
Action taken	{{{2}}}

using another player's RL name to harass him. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[talk] [wcdz]} 17:38, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

You want to escalate me for linking one of my characters to the game's wiki? Have I got that right? People get to be escalated now for doing what has been done for years?

If I wanted to make a point I'd make a google bomb to the specific edit that details this supposed person's identity. I say supposed because you haven't even confirmed that this person is who he says he is, have you? Nope, you just jumped on here created a case (wrongly I might add) in a desperate attempt to have me escalated. Weren't we escalating pointless cases after the Cyberbob/Read drama whoring that went on here? -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 23:13, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Please prove he is your character Iscariot. -- SA 01:01, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

;) -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 01:05, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Yep, that's proof enough for me. Now, if I had an idea what I was going to do with that proof, I'd be better off.

Anyway, being that it's ingame, it's a bit hard to come up with a judgement. In-game shit isn't exactly our thing to take care of.-- SA 01:26, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

This is why I emailed Kevan instead of bringing Iscariot here. Cyberbob  Talk  01:29, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, see hags, that's what should be done if you have a problem with this. Anyway, like I said, it's in-game, we can't really do anything about it as that isn't exactly our jurisdiction. So I'm going with nv here. Anyone agree?-- SA 01:31, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

I will if we change Iscariot's link reference to "name withheld" as per all the others... Just because that is the bad faith action at hand here, it isn't the creation of the account, which is beyond our control, but the instance where he used it with the intent to hurt the user. I just want all these goddamn names gone though. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 01:34, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

I already made that change. Cyberbob  Talk  01:35, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Great minds ;) Well, that's enough for me, I'm happy to just close this as Not Vandalism. The name change should have happened as per the below case anyway. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 01:36, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

But I don't care if my name is on the wiki. :( -- SA 01:37, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

User:Dawgjz

Dawgjz (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Verdict	Vandalism
Action taken	Soft Warning

Altering a signed comment of another user. Combined with repeated edits to a group page he is not a member of, request perma. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 04:48, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

No. Fuck you. I will not let you potentially ruin this guy's IRL career with your rules fetish. If he wants his own personal information removed, let him. It is not our place to question why. Cyberbob  Talk  05:05, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Would you like to tell me how this will work then when I get a page for my brand new shiny character (name removed)? -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 05:16, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

name modified as per above vandal case. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 01:36, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

It will work when I email Kevan and request that he ban you from the game for malicious usage of someone's personal information. Cyberbob  Talk  05:19, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Not malicious use, just I name I got from an old group page. Also, have you checked this guy is who he says he is yet? Finally, what do we do when a group appears with this name? Given the age old statute that groups on the stats page get a wiki page due to autolinks.... -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 05:22, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Iscariot said:

Not malicious use, just I name I got from an old group page.

Bullshit and we both know it. Sorry! If you make a group page with the name, by the way, I will have it deleted and bring you here. Cyberbob  Talk  05:26, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

You'll try and escalate me for creating a group page for a group that appears on the stats page? Good luck with that. Plus you might want to consider the content of the pages he's vandalising here when in between them on the google search he claims so much about is a comment signed under his name about rectally inserting a burger.... -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 06:09, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Tried, done, failed and escalated accordingly. Read and Jed and co. tried it with "Jed is a Nigger" or something similar a couple of years ago. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 06:21, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Quite a difference given one contains a racial slur, and one doesn't. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 18:09, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Not Vandalism --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 06:21, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism - I'm sorry, but you can't just wipe your history from this site because you were silly enough to use your real name for a character here. However, if Iscariot (or anyone, really) creates a page to further sully the name through their own actions, then yeah, that would be vandalism on their part as well -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 08:37 3 November 2009 (BST)

Talk page, if you please. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 18:09, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

"it is possible for it to be your own fault if you get raped" - wiki user "boxy" Cyberbob  Talk  10:47, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Do you just go crib my material from Promotions? Do you have a single original thought in your head? -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 18:09, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

I love that you think I pay enough attention to what you say such that I could ever knowingly parrot you. Cyberbob  Talk  21:46, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Lol. Instead of complaining, you could just rule NV yourself ;D --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 10:57, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Not Vandalism Cyberbob  Talk  10:59, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Who's getting raped? The guy allowed his yahoo email to be used by multiple people in a suspect UD group, and it was part of the evidence against them. He can't just go back and wipe every reference to such evidence because he now (says that he) realises that he made a stupid mistake -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 12:16 3 November 2009 (BST)

Vandalism because he should be doing it properly, not just randomly wiping shit. And I really doubt that some eployer is going to care that a guy plays games on a computer in his spare time.-- SA 11:01, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

see the talk page--Thadeous Oakley 12:07, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

I don't think you should be ruling on this case given your participation in his ridicule. You are also not in any position (nobody is) to be judging whether or not his name here would actually affect his chances - or indeed, to pass judgement on why he wants his name gone at all. Cyberbob  Talk  11:57, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Given you avoided a misconduct ruling by arguing that sysops can vote even on cases they bring, I don't think you of all people should be telling people where they should or should not vote, Hypocrite. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 18:09, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

I didn't "argue" anything - I merely pointed out the policy specifically allowing it. Difference. Cyberbob  Talk  00:01, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Although I consider this vandalism, in that Dawgjz went through blanking whole sentences to remove his name, thereby changing what people said in fairly major ways, I have gone through the pages and replaced the name with [name removed] in order to remove personal information that probably should never have been posted in the first place -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 12:30 3 November 2009 (BST)

Thank you mister box-man, as thats what should have been done (or something akin to that) in the first place.-- SA 21:00, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

May i suggest that you extend this name replacement to this case ? UDWiki A/VB has a strong pagerank in google, and it will show up there any second. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[talk] [wcdz]} 17:35, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Good point. Cyberbob  Talk  01:34, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Also, Yonnua has a point. He fucked up, it is vandalism. But a soft warning is best for this situation imo.-- SA 22:54, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

SA soft warned him, good. Let's get this over and done with as soon as possible, I'm sick of seeing people argue over something that won't actually have any effect on Google's database for months to come. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 00:11, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

User:Haliman111

Haliman111 (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Verdict	Not Vandalism
Action taken	None required

For his last edit to this page. he is not a member of The Dead Bunnies and has no business whatsoever editing our page under any circumstances. In fact, due to his past trolling and abuse he has officially been asked to never even post on our talk page. I would think it would be clear from that that he should also not edit our main page. If we feel that someone has vandalized our page we will handle the problem ourselves. Due to his repeated abuse and trolling towards our group we ask that action be taken. --M4rduK 19:01, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

I loled. I try to help you guys and you stab me in the back. Anyone can obviously see that I was reverting the vandalism. If what I did was vandalism, why haven't you reverted it back to the last edit? (Which is vandalism, btw) --Haliman - Talk 19:34, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Not Vandalism - [1]. He was just reverting Jason's edits, which any wiki user could see as an unwanted change to your page. He was just trying to help out, if you don't like what he did, revert it to Jason's version.

Basically, if you want Haliman to be prohibited from touching your pages, go to A/A. Otherwise, vandal cases like this won't slide and your asking of him to stay away from your group pages has no basis in administrative actions. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 23:52, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Actually, they kind of can ask him to stay off of their group main page, because unless he's editing the NPOV bit at the top or fixing vandalism, he isn't really allowed to touch it, group ownership rights and all. They don't have to go to Arbies to get him to stay away from their main page, only the talk page. And yes, they can make this case and it will "slide" because they obviously did not like the edit to their group page, and thought it was vandalism. None the less, I'm ruling NV. He tried to help, if they don't like it, then Haliman just needs to let it sit next time. K everyone?-- SA 00:14, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Just to expand on what SA is articulating, as a group page the Bunnies have ownership rights over it and can control who can edit there or not and the content of those edits. Although this is rightly not vandalism due to lack of bad faith, it is clear that the Dead Bunnies (page owners) are happy for Stafam to make whatever edits he wants to their page. Stafam could turn it into a parody page that makes the Bunnies look like Care Bears in trenchcoats if he wants, because he has been given permission to edit that page, provided the Bunnies are happy, Stafam's not committing vandalism. Given how the group's sense of humour in the past has been displayed it would be better for Haliman and others just to leave the page alone rather than trying to second guess what is vandalism and what is a provocative but allowed edit. If vandalism actually occurs, I'm sure a bunny will start a case here. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 00:21, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

What I was thinking. Hence why I'm pursuing Murduck about Stafam's initial edits, I knew having Bob insta-warn people would come to this eventually. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 00:38, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Forget Arbies. I'm done trying to play nice with the Bunnies. --Haliman - Talk 00:57, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm hoping that isn't you saying you're going to antagonize the bunnies. I'd much rather you just left them alone entirely, and vice-versa.-- SA 00:59, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Hardly. I meant I'm done trying to help them. --Haliman - Talk 01:11, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

'kay. Good.-- SA 01:30, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

No matter what is vandalism and what isn't, I'd rather have Jason edit our page than to have Haliman's peanut butter hands on it any day. Due to his history with us he should have known better than to touch it. If Jason gets a warning for editing a page that *he was at least associated with at some point* then Halitard deserves the same. Either they both deserve a warning or neither. We consider any editing or posting on our pages by Haliman to be malicious. --M4rduK 15:15, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

From here, you will notice that a few thing that arn't vandalism are listed... they are: "an unwanted edit to any page, an edit that adds information arising from a misunderstanding, an edit that improves the page from a user you don't like". Policy states quite clearly that your dislike Haliman is not a reason to have him treated differently than anyone else (unless you have an arbitration ruling covering this), and given that he obviously believed that the edit was vandalism, it was clearly done in good faith, and hence not vandalism. Now that he knows that you are willing to tolerate vandalism of your group page by Jason, a repeated revert may be viewed differently -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 08:01 4 November 2009 (BST)

Alright, will remember that then.-- SA 22:16, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

User:Jason 'Fock'n' Stafam

Jason 'Fock'n' Stafam (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Verdict	Not Vandalism
Action taken	None Required

For his last three edits to this page. He made a renegade group because he was unhappy with the bunnies, and then made those edits. I've reverted back to Boxy's edit. --Haliman - Talk 16:33, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Warned. Cyberbob  Talk  16:47, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

How can this be determined as vandalism without first asking the group in question? --M4rduK 15:16, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Are you guys okay with Jason's edit?-- SA 21:57, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Are we "ok" with it? No. Do we want to settle our civil war ourselves? Yes. If we feel that our page has been vandalized, we'll report it ourselves. Right now we are still settling some internal issues and are dealing with the problems in our own way, as usual. --M4rduK 22:16, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

I meant okay as in considering it not vandalism. If you don't consider it to be vandalism, then I'll strike the warning.-- SA 22:18, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

We did not consider it vandalism. Thanks SA :) --M4rduK 23:22, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Alright, warning retracted.-- SA 23:52, 3 November 2009 (UTC)