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Leave it as is, don't bother deleting the contributions from Isgaru. The info is *mostly accurate* and could come in handy for someone down the road.--Agent Sandman 03:08, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

No worries. Thanks for the quick reply. --

 

 

 

 

03:09, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Happy New Year! Hope you had a fireworkalicious ferked erp evening. We have net in our room! So expect 3 days of constant udwiki-ing! xoxo 03:38, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

=O --

 

 

 

 

03:50, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Mudkip!

Mwuhahahaha! Miss me? Of course you didn't. ;D --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} (status:‎Mudkip!) 15:50, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

=O --

 

 

 

 

16:12, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

What's wrong? You look like you just seen a ghost. ;) --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} (status:‎Mudkip!) 16:13, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

=O --

 

 

 

 

16:13, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

NEW MANHUNT!! =D --

 

 

 

 

16:13, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Probably not. Maybe next time, huh? Still working out a few kinks on my newly repaired PC. (Yes...It took me nearly 6 months just to get working on that PC... >< ) --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} (status:‎Mudkip!) 16:16, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

But you know what? Since I've been out for ages, I've decided to give you all a new music quiz to play around with. =P --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} (status:‎Mudkip!) 16:21, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

But...But... it's still about yu-gi-oh... :*( --

 

 

 

 

16:39, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Eh. Better then nothing at the moment. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} (status:‎Mudkip!) 16:39, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

OK, the YGOTAS stuff is done for...Time to resume the regular program...Enjoy. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} (status:‎Mudkip!) 16:49, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

WINDOWS 7 BUDDAY

This is awesome.-- ¯\(°_o)/¯ 23:50, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Pretty coolo, I guess... --

 

 

 

 

23:57, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

:/-- ¯\(°_o)/¯ 00:00, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

I is scared my computer crash :*( --

 

 

 

 

00:00, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

We just tried it on four different 7s, 64bit and 32. It works fine, and is awesome.-- ¯\(°_o)/¯ 00:03, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Kewl! Why can't you be sysopppp and warn mee --

 

 

 

 

00:04, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Because I gotta wait two weeks. :/ -- ¯\(°_o)/¯ 00:13, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

<(^o^<) Emoticon unrelated--Orange Talk 00:18, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Warning

Please do not post other people's personal details on this wiki. Continuing this behaviour may lead to your editing privileges being revoked. -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 00:17 6 January 2010 (BST)

Protected?

Couldn't remember if suggestions get protected after the voting is done or not, and looking through some old ones is inconclusive, since some are protected and others aren't. —Aichon— 08:18, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

They are, it's scheduled. Linkthewindow  Talk  21:25, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. I knew we had a list of scheduled protections somewhere, but I couldn't remember where off the top of my head. —Aichon— 21:57, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Yo

I hear you're being a badass on the wiki, tut tut. In other news i want a new sig, any thoughts? xoxo 12:54, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Actually, I kind of like your sig. It's simplistic yet stylistic in it's own way. :( -- ¯\(°_o)/¯ 12:56, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Well i have no idea if you're being sarcastic, I'm vain like that but i'll take it as a compliment anyway. I also like it but i've been kind of put off since some random nub replying to me called me 'Alim'. In the words of that bitch from the ting tings, thats not my name (although it is awesome) and what with all these people on the wiki who i barely know i think i need to reassert my (lack of) authority with a bold new sig. Feel free to help in some random sandbox. Maybe this one? xoxo 13:01, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

No sarcasm at all, promise. I can't come up with sigs too well on my own if you hadn't noticed, and make them decent. :( Sorry.-- ¯\(°_o)/¯ 13:04, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Just gimme something manly! xoxo 13:16, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I've been a bit of a bastard lately. On an issue related to my stressed out demeanor, I guess I might explain where I've been; I've been kicked out of home so I don't know when it will be than I can consistently edit again. For clarification, lately I have had minimal internet access but have chosen not to come back extensively because the occasional stress of UDWiki isn't what I need in my situation, but even despite these events I still plan on attending all Crat duties as they roll in, eg. SA's bid. As for a sig, just do something annoying and blue, should suffice. Unless you're passed plugging that ALiM garbage, but should I even hope? ;D --

 

 

 

 

13:34, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Who kicked you out? was it that bitch midget cleaner?/ I knew it! Actually did she ever exist...?? Also - i'm not over alim, i still love it. its just my new roll on the wiki is that of standing up for the supressed little people under your regime. Not your as in you, more as in the others *evil eyes* xoxo 13:58, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

this

his justification is "-" GOSHHHHHHHHHH --Bob Boberton ^{TF / DW} 07:28, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

I will fight you! --

 

 

 

 

07:30, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Boxing gloves, brass knuckles, or bare-handed? --Bob Boberton ^{TF / DW} 07:36, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Signature

I am trying to change my sig to a new look, but the template I made seems incorrect. The appearance of it is fine but the date stamp is huge. How do i fix it to look normal? --Creeping Crud _U 03:14, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

I found your problem. You forgot a </span> at the end of your userpage link. I threw it in, and it appears to be working now. Don't worry too much, it happens to the best of us!--~ Red Hawk One ^{Talk | space for lease} 03:27, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I was at work so I couldn't help you out until Hawk had already done it. --

 

 

 

 

15:17, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Thankyou for the help. Cheers! --Creeping Crud _U 16:05, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Advice

I'm thinking of making a very public show of the fact I believe a group is systematically zerging on a large scale. I plan to list all the allegations on a page in my usespace. Now thats in no way vandalism is it? Im assuming as its my own page I can protect it myself as well? --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 11:21, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Having an opinion isn't vandalism, and there's no control that the admins can exercise over a user's comments (barring stuff that goes against the TOU.) And sysop sub-pages aren't a scheduled protection, but I don't think anyone would care if you protected it. Linkthewindow  Talk  11:24, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

All of those things are fine by this wiki's guidelines, userpages can have any POV material and you won't be misconducted for protecting it yourself. --

 

 

 

 

12:40, 14 January 2010 (UTC) --

 

 

 

 

12:02, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Yeh go get 'em ross!--_GANG Giles Sednik _CAPD 13:25, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

What the fuck is this tou and where did it come from? Its too long to bother reading but it seems to me to be some sort of sysop conspiracy. I've never been vandalismised for breaking it before...what the fuck is happening! !xoxo 08:51, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

The TOU page has been around for at leased a year i'm pretty sure, made as a project by SA to sort of add a codified list of things that could/couldn't be done on the wiki lest it jeopardise Kevan's ownership of the site and to make sure nothing we do takes it down. Conndraka used to be pretty big on it. --

 

 

 

 

09:11, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

I'll add by saying that most of the stuff against the TOU was considered vandalism/misconduct before it was even created into a page, so you never really had much of an excuse anyway ;D --

 

 

 

 

09:12, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

^-- ¯\(°_o)/¯ 09:32, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

You americans and your dislike of free speech, i understand. xoxo 07:21, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

It's always to do with race with you isn't it? --

 

 

 

 

08:04, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

ja, i was gonna call them amerifags but thought i'd end up at the butt end of the TOU :( xoxo 04:51, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

No, see, adding -fag onto the end of things is generally accepted on the internet, aussiefag. And the term is Americunt, btw.-- ¯\(°_o)/¯ 12:41, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

And saying the n word isn't on the net? right? Yeah you know i agree with you, the rules here re:racism should be based around whats accepted on the internet. xoxo 07:31, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

I agree, stop saying that -fag shit SA it's about as funny as syphilis Cyberbob  Talk  09:56, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Please tell me you didn't miss the point of that and you were just being dumb for the hell of it.-- ¯\(°_o)/¯ 11:29, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

lmao Cyberbob  Talk  09:49, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

So...

It's nearly been a couple of months since my last bid. Think I'll be ready to run again by the end of the month? I've been really good, and avoided drama! 0:D --Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 19:19, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, you've done okay I guess. --

 

 

 

 

00:18, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

hey on the topic of de-escalations

just had an idea which might stop people like jed abusing the system forever while appeasing the people who think de-escalations have value: only allowing people a limited number of de-escalations (thinking between 3-5). y/n? Cyberbob  Talk  06:36, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

That's a good idea. I have a few ideas relating to that now so I'll give it some thought and add some more ideas later tonight. --

 

 

 

 

06:39, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Personally, I'd just lengthen the time that they have to wait between de-escalations. Instead of 1 months (plus a certain number of edits), I'd bump it up to 6 months. Career vandals wouldn't be able to exist if they only got two de-escalations a year, but for people genuinely trying to reform, it'd give them a way to work it off over time. If you only allow a fixed number of de-escalations, eventually you'll start losing contributing members who get a warning every now and then (e.g. based on A/VD, we'd be close to or would have already lost both you and SA had the fixed-number system been in place from the start). —Aichon— 07:12, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

What makes you think that SA and I would have allowed ourselves to rack up so many escalations in the first place if we were only allowed a limited number of de-escalations? As for the people "genuinely trying to reform", that was the whole point of having warnings come before bans in the first place. I don't have much sympathy for people that would need more than 3-5 de-escalations (not to mention all the various degrees of bannage before the perma) to "genuinely reform". Cyberbob  Talk  08:43, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for showing your faith in me ich. Thanks a lot.-- ¯\(°_o)/¯ 11:10, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

I think he's going by pure numbers of escalations under the current system, which is dumb. Cyberbob  Talk  12:05, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

^+1-- ¯\(°_o)/¯ 12:24, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Ok, well, clearly the point I was trying to make did not get communicated. Whatever. SA is dumb, and that point isn't important (if you really want to argue it, hit me up on IRC). In any case, if users could average, at most, one escalation every six months without getting banned, that means that unless they stuck around for a few years, it'd actually be more strict than using a fixed number, while also being more forgiving in the long-term. To me, that seems like a win-win, since it keeps reform while eliminating the possibility of career vandals. —Aichon— 12:52, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Or they could get the fucking message after however many chances we give them. You know, either-or. Cyberbob  Talk  13:13, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Indeed, they could, but then we'd call it a win-lose instead. I just don't see the need to throw the baby out with the bath water here. I mean, if your solution was the only way, I would definitely support it since it's an improvement over what we have. But from what I can see, there are other ways to curb vandalism, and not all of them sacrifice reform in the process. —Aichon— 13:29, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Who here actually needs more than 3 de-escalations? Misconduct ones don't count as an escalation for this purpose.-- ¯\(°_o)/¯ 13:32, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Sometimes I miss the simple things when I get caught up in the concept. I think SA just pointed out a simple thing that changes my mind. He's right. There really aren't people that would need that many, and reform should've taken place well before that if it was going to happen at all. As silly as it sounds after all that, I'm convinced. —Aichon— 12:08, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

And suddenly the power of sysops triples...xoxo 07:35, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

if you wouldn't keep on trying to be an edgy fuck hatin against da man all the time this wouldn't even affect you, piss off Cyberbob  Talk  09:54, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

This is 2010 buddy, the "go against the sysops for the sake of it" culture went out in 2008 with Wan and Grim and the goons. --

 

 

 

 

10:51, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

You don't think a policy such a this overpowers sysops by making vandalism that much worse? The current system works because if you are targeted by sysops or whatever a warning isn't really an issue coz you can work it off. Have you noticed how shoddy most vandalism decisions are? If something like this was brought in you'd want to make damn sure every ruling of vandalism was 100% deserved and maybe actually start bringing about some serious punishment for sysops who have no idea what they're doing and flippyflop around making rulings based on whos dick they're sucking at the time. Just a thought. xoxo 09:44, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

u mad? Cyberbob  Talk  10:20, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Oh my, having a talking to about bias in the sysop position by J3D really boggles my mind. Take Aichon's A/VD example and tell me how many users will have been disadvantaged by this, who didn't deserve it in the first place. --

 

 

 

 

15:19, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

And it is an idiotic stance to back up anyway, sysops are put in the position under the assumption they can handle such buttons in a responsible way. Whether or not such users should have gained the position in the past is a totally different matter- but what you have is a case of a pretty unmerited persecution complex, which just tries to turn the aim of the policy away from stopping career vandals onto the topic of how the already working A/VB system can be misused by an overzealous sysop. It's a different issue entirely and, if it were even true, will have been a problem for years, not something to just bring up in this instance. --

 

 

 

 

15:29, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Quick Question...

Could I get this page reverted back to its earliest form? I could probably do it myself, but seeing that you've put it up for A/SD, I thought I'd ask first... it could be expanded on, in it's original form anyway. -Poodle of Doom^{M! T} 00:48, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, that's fine. I just stuck the A/SD tag up on it to categorise it, but I wasn't going to actually put it forward for a few days since he only wiped it half an hour ago. I fixed up his errors and reverted it for you. --

 

 

 

 

00:53, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I didn't realize that was what was happening.... you want a category for it? I'd be willing to adopt it to our groups category for a while... I just thought it was nice the way it was in the begining. -Poodle of Doom^{M! T} 01:00, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Oh, nevermind, I was just trying to kill two birds with one stone because in either state (wiped or reverted) it was likely to be deleted within the month. Either way, the template wasn't necessary and I'm happy to keep it up if people are willing to expand on it a bit. --

 

 

 

 

01:02, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Image restoration

Can you please restore Image:MCDU7Plaque.jpg? It was removed from the associated page without permission, which has since been corrected. Thank you! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Weeks (talk • contribs) at an unknown time.

Sorry about the long delay, I've been out of town for the last few days. I've reuploaded the image and you can find it at the same spot as before. Have a nice day! --

 

 

 

 

05:26, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

It's all good, I wasn't in a hurry or anything and we all have lives outside of UD. Thank you for the assistance :) Weeks 17:20, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Sub cat?

Make WS a subcat of metagame tools and stick all the appropriate pages in there you think? -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 05:08, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

I don't think that's necessary- WS is already a good information page, no need to move it into a category space just now. --

 

 

 

 

05:11, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Objections to me placing a note about cycling unaccepted nominations in the box on the GA page? -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 14:50, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

No problem with that. --

 

 

 

 

15:01, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

haha yeah bro

totally gonna put everything I need to do IRL on hold for a shit wiki about a shit browser game that appears to be going through a dull spell anyway. i'll get back in the game as soon as I can, don't worry Cyberbob  Talk  04:10, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

whoa, lrn2joke much :/ and besides what you just said means near nothing to me, because my point is if you have the time to bitch via talk pages of policy discussions you have time to go to A/VB first and help with week-old cases (which I never cycled cause I was the only dude to rule on them in the first place). I don't mind you not being here, I mind it more when you come here after 6 days and stir the few users editing seriously. And I don't know whether you think I did, but I guess I'll say it now; that I didn't cycle the PD just to get the last word in, you know I've been itching to do it for days and SA came on MSN and confirmed so I just went ahead. --

 

 

 

 

04:17, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

P sure I did make a few edits to A/VB in the last few days, and 6 days is seriously nothing - how you can go on about it like it's some massive hiatus is beyond me. (no i didn't think you cycled it to get the last word) Cyberbob  Talk  04:34, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

He forgot to mention he woke me up while I was sleeping on my keyboard to ask me that. :/ --Big Cat 04:58, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

I would appreciate it if you read what I said in future, again, you haven't addressed the only concern I ever actually expressed- it isn't that you didn't edit in 6 days, it is that you came back and trolled and fuelled a bitchfight rather than actually help around. If you have nothing to actually respond in relation to that, I don't actually care what you have to say. In fact, since the admin queues have been eliminated, I don't actually care about what you say regardless. If you don't give a fuck about the 6 day thing, then don't come crying to me so much. --

 

 

 

 

07:55, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

u mad? Cyberbob  Talk  09:44, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

You aren't serious, right? I've been trying to turn my back on your crying for 24 hours now. --

 

 

 

 

09:45, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

u mad. Cyberbob  Talk  09:46, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Hmm. Another battle for the last word. Look, you can have it Sir Butthurt, I have a wiki to maintain. --

 

 

 

 

09:47, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

re: op

Meh, your comments before were justified. I was getting in to all sorts of nonsense, and I wasn't ready to be an op. I needed to mature as a wiki user, and devote more time to actually upholding and sorting through stuff on the wiki.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 19:36, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

You-Know-What

It's troubling me that it's taking up 3/4 of the wiki sidebar's adbox, and the page looks to now be a much more malignant (and obvious) phishing attempt. Is there any way we can have these links removed?--~ Red Hawk One ^{Talk | space for lease} 04:23, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

From project wonderful? Damn, I didn't notice, I changed my udwiki skin through preferences so the ads wouldn't appear anymore. You'd have to contact Kevan, I believe, and seriously, I think the new change is more of a reference to what he sees when he tries to edit the wiki "you have been banned" etc? Not sure. Either way, Project Wonderful is an issue I think only Kevan can fix, although I'll be sure to contact them via their site about it tomorrow morning. --

 

 

 

 

08:53, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

In the meantime adblock is a semi-viable temporary solution, I've had that thing on the list for ages. Cyberbob  Talk  09:03, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Memes Category

Is there any reason our meme template category is spelt Category:MeMe Templates? I've never seen it with a second capital M before and it's annoying me. Since you're the category bot, could you fix it if it is wrong? --  RoosterDragon  18:48, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

SO I HEARD YOU LIEK THE KIPS OF THE MUD? --Arthur Dent BIN LADEN IS DEAD!!!!! 19:03, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

That do be parsed wrongly. Shouldn't have a second capital, unless of course that in and of itself is a joke I'm not getting. 21:59, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

On it, will do after work finishes. --

 

 

 

 

22:14, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Done. --

 

 

 

 

22:51, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Thank you almighty recategorizer. --  RoosterDragon  23:01, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Hey

I think it's time for my re-evaluation though I might have the timezones messed up Cyberbob  Talk  09:13, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Nah, you're right. I'll throw you up unless you want to do it yourself? Either way. --

 

 

 

 

09:28, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Template

I can never remember what the template call is, and I can't by bothered to copypasta it. Basically, it's just a huge case of cbf.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 11:03, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Not a problem

Hope I did everything correctly.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 18:36, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

while I'm here, albeit several hours later, don't the two re-evaluatiosn need to be cycled? Because they're a week, and not two weeks, like PMs? I dunno. Just notifying you in case you hadn't realised/ seen it.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 21:26, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Hot damn, I totally forgot they were 1 week. Since Boxy's been gone for so long, I'll cycle them within 24 hours. --

 

 

 

 

22:33, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism?

Would something like this be considered vandalism? -Poodle of Doom^{M! T} 22:29, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

No. Or I could have half the wiki banned. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 22:30, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

You talk like that's something you would actually desire. Cyberbob  Talk  22:51, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Nah, talk page rules are just made by the talk page owners and therefore not following them isn't justifiable as vandalism. You'd have to arbies him first. --

 

 

 

 

22:34, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Even considering the fact that it was an edit intentionally made in bad faith? Just curious, I'm not looking to force the issue to much... -Poodle of Doom^{M! T} 22:36, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Yep, even considering that, and that's the lamest part about it. --

 

 

 

 

22:42, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

If you don't like the rule, why not change it? :P —Aichon— 01:54, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Old(ish) convo is old(ish), but how well-received would a policy be stating that user talk pages can be governed by additional rules set by the owning user, which are treated with the same weight as any other rules, provided they don't contravene pre-existing rules? It sounds reasonable to me but I'm not gonna write a proposal up for something I'm not gonna use unless others actually want it. 14:19, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Hmm. Talk pages are just for communication and anything beyond what the wiki offers as a template for talk page communication (I'm talking about the "+") is a luxury in my opinion. It depends exactly what you want out of the policy, Mis, if it's regarding blatant annoying behaviour like Imthatguy above then it could have a chance but my immediate fear would be making a policy that is abusable by troublemakers. --

 

 

 

 

14:32, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

That's what I was thinking myself. It'd probably need more clauses than would really be worthwhile in order to not make it work. Though I have an idea for something else similar that I just need to figure out how to phrase and I'll bring it to one of the discussion pages. 14:39, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Orphans

Yeah, but since then, he's updated the page loads. I don't really see a point in deleting the newbies which have only existed for sometimes a minute when I post the orphan template. :P If it's anythign older, I'm more likely to have a look, but we don't really get older ones anymore.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 08:00, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Signature help.

Hey dance!, Remember when you helped me with my sig back in july? Well it its broken...I have no idea what is wrong with it.. Heres the problem.

--Suff-TMS- <-- Killin' zombies! 22:56, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

I want it to be this Suff♥:3 <-- Thats me!

But the date stamp is messing up, It doesent matter what i revert it too. When you get the time can you help me? Its highly appreciated. thanks :)

I just made the same edit as you a second later. --Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 23:11, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

FA Nominations

The new FA Nominations are supposed to be cycled after 7 days, and there are two that have been up for over two weeks each. It could use some tending too,... but I felt uncomfortable doing so myself since one of them is something I nominated, and I'm not a moderator,... could I have you look into it when ever you get an oppertunity? -Poodle of Doom^{M! T} 03:23, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Oh, absolutely, thanks for the reminder (and I didn't even know they were 7 days :S) --

 

 

 

 

03:54, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! -Poodle of Doom^{M! T} 12:25, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Eyewitness

Hi DanceDanceRevolution,

I saw you were in the Krinks Power Station for a few days, before it fell earlier today. I was wondering what your impression was of what was going on in and outside the plant. My summary would be that it was a whole jelling about pretty much nothing. Both sides in the conflict are pretty small. I however do think it is sad the PhiloKnights felt the need to clear out the place.

--zyckde 18:44, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Hmm. I left seemingly moments before an apparent PK wipe-out and visited soon after, unfortunately. However in the days I spent there, it didn't seem like a particularly stressful conflict. I only saw one PKing by the PK while I was there. Althought it seems like I missed an important event there, too :( I don't blame the Philosophe Knights for doing what they did, because of a dry spell plenty of players in UD has been itching to join a 'battle' or a 'war' for at leased two years now, it's just a shame they more or less ruined the main point of the battle. --

 

 

 

 

20:55, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Deletions

I'm sure there's not, but is there any way to recover deleted wiki pages? I ask because the Team Survivor pages which were recently deleted are cited in a zerg case and I rather suspect that that was why they wanted them deleted. --Papa Moloch 21:31, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

We can "undelete" pages, although undeleting pages that are requested by the author is probably more trouble than it's worth, although I could just copy the contents into a user subpage and note that it's just an unaltered copy of Team Survivor for reference purposes if that's fine? By the way, the page hasn't been deleted yet if you need to salvage the data. --

 

 

 

 

22:11, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Looks like it's been done already. Good luck with the case, etc. --

 

 

 

 

22:12, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

I already suggested he copy the data in case the pages are re-deleted, which the probably will be. Though remember, there was never a deletion request, just a vague sort of crit 7 scenario. 22:17, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

I still think the data will need to be copied over to another secure place sooner rather than later (I'll be happy to do it if you like) as it will most likely be deleted again. --

 

 

 

 

22:23, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Suggestions

Would you consider this to be a withdrawal of the suggestion?--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 23:31, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, I can't believe I didn't even notice that... I asked him. --

 

 

 

 

23:43, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Cool. I really need to get off this wiki for now. I'm getting ridiculously close to reverting Misanthropy's edit to the Mycock building, but I know how much Misconbitration it would cause, so I'm resisting. ):P --Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 23:45, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Wtf? I'm also half asleep and I thought I'd reverted that edit. Misanthropy beet meeee --

 

 

 

 

23:51, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Softy

Throwing Corn a soft warning like that. I was all ready to smack him around VB again. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 16:04, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

It's such a shame that the one time I go through the quick softie-phase it affects someone who should have been crucified for their actions anyway; but hey, being the nice guy to the misguided newbies can never hurt, right? --

 

 

 

 

13:37, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Drunk

So how do you think the next months going to play out, crat's wise? Boxys up for vote first, yes? --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 13:22, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Actually, I am up for first vote, but Boxy has expressed (rather admirably) that he wants out too since he's been inactive. Although, as a big (and not secret) gay-for-boxy fan, I dislike he's going back down the ladder but it's the right thing to do so it makes me love him even more. Honestly? Probably Misanthropy and Aichon (as a surprise oooooh controversy tip) or you (if you go for it) tip too. But then again, if it ain't you three I'm tipping, who else is there in the comp? Krazy Monkey, SA, Karek and Nubis already proved that the "obligatory A/PM just before the A/BP election" works like a charm for sentimental popularity/respect which is why I'd shove Aichon on a high pedestal in the A/BP race, although that's assuming two spots are up. One spot for A/BP's election would leave me voting for Misanthropy, because he's been around here the most in the last month or so and that's always something I respect.

To be honest, a week ago I wanted to elect Yonnua for Op, so I'd have the pleasure of cycling his bid (assuming it went jolly) and then we'd have another good user in the race for op. That'd make things more fun for everyone, of course. --

 

 

 

 

13:36, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

You're talking to the man who regularly voted for swiers for no real reason. My money's on Iscariot. But fresh blood, man. No doubt Giles will bid in a month or so, even the scary prospect of Poodle is on the horizon. I could always email Grim? --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 13:40, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

I know this sounds like a egotistical/douchbaggy thing to say, but the day Boxy and I step down from Crat, Iscariot will have his best chance at asyaop yet, he knows it too. Not that that's bad, of course. If he gets in op then he can, I'll most likely always be against it but i'm more than happy to voice myself as a regular user in relation to him when the time comes. Giles? Perhaps, as a guy who has too many issues with him in personal opinion (I generally disagree with almost everything he's done since his meatpuppeting saga about Civility) I wouldn't support him but that doens't mean he couldn't get the job, though I think there's beter out there. Poodle's a no=no for me. He's a simple guy which is good, but he makes simple mistakes whichs hows he isn't in the wiki for the buttons/responsibility yet. A heap of his work on the wiki is for his group which is good, but it means he isn't in the wiki for the buttons/responsibility yet. Atm, I'm loving Aichon and Yonnua, Haliman always did alright stuff when he went on his short "become sysop!" streaks but they are infrequent and almost invisible. By the way, is ZPWiki back up at all? Every time I uploaded a new batch of images I fear I crashed it again... --

 

 

 

 

13:47, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and I tried emailing grim to troll him about me getting crat (just to give him a brick wall to bash his head against about concernign the difrection of this wikis userbase) but he doesn't have a proper email address set up to it anymore, to avoid that exact thing, methinks =[ --

 

 

 

 

13:52, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

ZPwiki was massively downgraded as a result of its move to a central forum/blog/wiki hub. I've stopped working on it until they fix it. 2 new areas about to be opened up though! --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 15:50, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Oh man, I promised to come back for that, can't wait! --

 

 

 

 

18:38, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

If you ask me, if there's only one spot available, Ross has the 'crat position, hands down. SA is the only other 'op who would naturally pull in a lot of people, but he's been in-and-out and inactive enough recently that I doubt he'd get the support he has in the past. As you mentioned, I guess you could say I'm kinda the "darling" of the moment, and I suspect Iscariot nominated me with this exact timing for just that reason, so I might have a better shot right now than I normally would. That said, as with the sysop position, I'm not really looking for the 'crat position, so I'll be throwing my vote behind someone else, which will surely split some of the votes that would have otherwise gone to me. Plus, I'm new at this, and all it'll take is one newbie sysop mistake between now and the next BP for my image to be tarnished, which is not a problem in the long-run, but hurts my odds at a promotion in the short-term. Misanthropy is popular, and he's active and doing good work, so I could see him making it a good competition with Ross, and if there were two spots open, the second one certainly would be his, I think. —Aichon— 19:27, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

So much talk about me. Let's clear some things up, many moons ago I stated that I would only accept nominations from three users and I'm sticking to that. Goo luck getting any of them to nominate me :P Aichon was nominated to boost the numbers of active sysops and to prevent an unsuitable candidate getting the nod just because it may be perceived that we were low on ops, we're stuck with RedHawkOne due to a situation like that. Next crat? That's easy, it'll be Ross. After that if Boxy steps down in the next month or so I can almost guarantee Mis getting the second slot, longer than a month and it breaks into a three horse race depending on activity levels. Would you all like my wisdom on anything else? -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 19:37, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

This years formula one rule changes. Terrible? --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 19:40, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Fucking ridiculous. The F1 blog I write for has many an article, even from before the season started, saying what a shit idea it was. Spanky was just trying to act like Daddy's idol one last time before he got slung out. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 19:43, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Just to remind everyone that I called the 'crat election :P Put your week's beer money on Vettel this weekend ;) -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 19:55, 16 April 2010 (BST)

ZOMG RULE ABOOSE?

Is this against one of the rules of the wiki? I think so, considering they're changing text from a Peer Reviewed suggestion, but I am not sure, and nothing on the page itself says anything about editing existing ideas. -- Rahrah wants you all to speak to him. 21:51, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Red Hawk One pwned that shit up. Really, that page should be scheduled protection... --

 

 

 

 

02:20, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Location Categorization

While demerging locations, I really can't help but notice that the location categories are a real mess (good luck trying to find what you're looking for here, for example). I'm thinking of possibly sub-categorizing these into suburb/district location pages, but at the same time worry it might defeat the point of demerging. Feedback?--~ Red Hawk One ^{Talk | space for lease} 02:18, 29 March 2010 (BST)

Demerging creates individual pages, subcategories leave those pages intact but with easier divisions to follow. It's not defeating the point so much as following on pretty logically. It's a good idea, I think. 02:23, 29 March 2010 (BST)

Yeah, I figured that it would be nice to have an individual page for each location, but at the same time have an easily cataloged way of finding it. Now the problem is creating and sorting 2400 or so new specific categories...

I wonder if Rooster can spare a few bots?--~ Red Hawk One ^{Talk | space for lease} 02:27, 29 March 2010 (BST)

How many people look for, say, junkyards, via categories though? --

 

 

 

 

05:21, 29 March 2010 (BST)

And also, don't worry about Rooster, he doesn't make categorising bots, he just gets me to do them =D so I'd definitely be your man. --

 

 

 

 

05:26, 29 March 2010 (BST)

Image restoration

May I have SOTD-FaO 25px.jpg back, please. I took a vacation from the wiki at exactly the wrong time, apparently.--SamuRyjak 17:33, 30 March 2010 (BST)

Consider it done. --

 

 

 

 

03:19, 31 March 2010 (BST)

Thank you muchly.--SamuRyjak 17:25, 31 March 2010 (BST)

Thanks for the heads up!

Yeah, sorry about that accessbar. It'll be fixed ASAP, I was mainly experimenting, as I'm new to wiki coding. Thanks again, though! - Knyle 10:25, 31 March 2010 (BST)

User:DanceDanceRevolution/story1

"Lust for blood undying" has six syllables. :P --Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 18:12, 31 March 2010 (BST)

I count dying as one... :*( --

 

 

 

 

01:13, 1 April 2010 (BST)

I think it's two isn't it? Could be wrong.... -Poodle of Doom^{M! T} 13:31, 6 April 2010 (BST)

Perhaps it's a matter of pronunciation, in the land of Aus and the glorious province of newcastle, it's generally said as one syllable ;D --

 

 

 

 

15:20, 6 April 2010 (BST)

Re:Manhunt

If you want, we can make it so. I'll think up some ideas for it and get back to you. 17:48, 1 April 2010 (BST)

Idea --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 17:58, 1 April 2010 (BST)

Misanthropy: Sure! If you have any ideas, you have free reign over it. If it's named after you, you choose the rules, we say. Ross: I saw that when I was exploring users namespace pages last week, I like the idea of it, sounds good. --

 

 

 

 

01:43, 2 April 2010 (BST)

Exploring user namespaces? Must have taken you a while with mine. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 11:10, 2 April 2010 (BST)

Yours and Iscariots (no Iscariot I know you're reading this and I'm not stalking, just reading what's in userspaces of today's more prolific users) were a good read cause there was plenty of stuff. Nubis and Boxy were fun too. --

 

 

 

 

11:56, 2 April 2010 (BST)

Frankly I think No More Heroes should be required reading. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 16:57, 2 April 2010 (BST)

Pretty sure he had it deleted. --

 

 

 

 

21:15, 2 April 2010 (BST)

Pretty sure your stalking is substandard. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 21:34, 2 April 2010 (BST)

It was created, then removed before someone tried crowbarring it into some weird new guides section, then returned after that danger subsided. Honestly, keep up. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 22:13, 2 April 2010 (BST)

I probably only went through WIP and PD I guess. I read it when it came out though. --

 

 

 

 

03:19, 3 April 2010 (BST)

Hey!

Um, I wanted to apologize for constantly coming into fights with you. I don't like the way you work sometimes, nor do I trust your judgment at this time, but I do realize I shouldn't have brought this shit up time and time again on unrelated pages. Frankly, I don't want this hateful drama to go on, but it did mainly because of me and for that I stand mistaken. Bleargh --Thadeous Oakley 13:20, 6 April 2010 (BST)

Really, it's alright. It was because I promised myself I'd always be around no matter how bad it got on UDWiki and that meant I had to go on even when the going got tough and I didn't want to be on. It made me inconsistent and subject to huge mood swings, all in all, I don't think any criticism of my work as an op went undeserved. And really, about my comment of your work on UDWiki, just WNing new users and not caring, seriously, it was just me looking for retaliation. Any contribution on the wiki helps. I like that we've said sorry for all of these attacks. --

 

 

 

 

15:07, 6 April 2010 (BST)

Hey, could I ask for some help?

Everyone's favorite friendly neighborhood neonazi, cornholioo got pissed when I provided a plethora of facts proving his points on white supremacy (racist children say the danrdest things!) wrong, and when he told me off, I gave him some advice on how he could strengthen his points so that next time he presented them in an argument, he could appear more professional and less childish. He then proceeded to delete our conversation, which was a good half a page long.
I can understand his embarassment, but that doesn't mean he should hide a good half hour's debating work so that no one can review our professional, inteligent conversation and provide commentary just because he's afraid people will agree with me.
I know you happen to be a SysOp, and I'm wondering if you can help me out or give me advice on what to do. --Sean Connolly 04:19, 10 April 2010 (BST) Have a good one.

I be lurking. I took a look, and from what I see, your conversation occured on Cornholioo's talk page - which is his own property here, giving him final say in whether he wants to delete comments from it or not. Deleting comments from your own talk pages is not an act of vandalism. However, should you wish to preserve the comments, you can fish them out of the page history and copy-paste them on your own talk page to keep a record of them. 04:24, 10 April 2010 (BST)

Misanthropy offered the same tips I was going to offer- unfortunately, Cornholioo has the right to delete anything he doesn't want, if it's on his talk page. Yes, it's immature, but it's his right, so naturally you have every right to copy and paste that exact conversation into your own talk page, with a notice saying it was taken from Cornholioo's page, and naturally there will be nothing he can do about it. --

 

 

 

 

04:48, 10 April 2010 (BST)

wow

thad seems to really dislike you...xoxo 13:12, 10 April 2010 (BST)

It's only 2 sections up, but to elaborate; there were some disagreements and things got personal rather then topical. --Thadeous Oakley 14:00, 10 April 2010 (BST)

Premature

I know it's not really there yet or anything,... but I can see this becoming an epic failure,.... and things are starting off like they did on the last one.... So,... could we keep an eye on this? -Poodle of Doom^{M! T} 15:12, 11 April 2010 (BST)

We've been watching it vehemently since it arrived, check A/D. --

 

 

 

 

22:54, 11 April 2010 (BST)

IRC

D: I never get to have fun talks on IRC... --Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 23:16, 11 April 2010 (BST)

Redesigning my user space...

Hi, I'm redoing my user space a bit... I'm trying to get some ideas for it... and like the layout of yours. I was wondering if you'd be okay with having me do something similar, or possably helping me with it? What do you think? I don't know exactly what I want to do yet... but I'm starting to put out feelers. -Poodle of Doom^{M! T} 20:22, 12 April 2010 (BST)

Yeah man, take anything you need. If you have any questions too, feel free to hit me up anytime =D --

 

 

 

 

07:52, 13 April 2010 (BST)

Crat

Roughly twelve hours left as crat. Sure you don't want to pull a coup?--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 11:47, 14 April 2010 (BST)

It could NEVER have the same impact Grim's had, his was almost perfect in a way... --

 

 

 

 

11:58, 14 April 2010 (BST)

Grims Coup was amazing in almost every way. I'm just disappointed we never got to see the rules of his new Grimipedia. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 22:06, 14 April 2010 (BST)

A matter of utmost and awesome importance

http://bit.ly/9wOpOb

<3

-- Adward  22:01, 14 April 2010 (BST)

I knew I was so famous I'd get killed there eventually ;D ;D --

 

 

 

 

00:51, 15 April 2010 (BST)

I refuse

...to congratulate myself on wiki news. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 21:30, 15 April 2010 (BST)

Fairynuff, but it was thad, not meee --

 

 

 

 

01:33, 16 April 2010 (BST)

I think he was fishing for you to do it, since he posted this here before Thad did it. —Aichon— 01:34, 16 April 2010 (BST)

Ooooooooh, okay. I'd already gone off to the movies by this time. --

 

 

 

 

01:36, 16 April 2010 (BST)

Uncategorised Pages

Do you not love them any more? :,( --Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 19:38, 16 April 2010 (BST)

A fortnight or so ago, Rosslessness uncategorised Category:Glossary articles which didn't fit the category or were shit/outdated articles. The problem with this is many of them belonged in there in the first place, so I updated them and stuck them back, or deleted some, turned some into redirects or merged some. But it was a big job and I never approached it with the intent on finishing it since it is more of less Ross' task, since it's part of his Wikiproject.. He made it the big mess and I stopped looking at them the few days before I demoted. --

 

 

 

 

01:16, 17 April 2010 (BST)

but i no i did it b4 so fu if u dont beleve me

Try to get a profile link off him. I'll find him and I'll kill him and we can laugh at it. But I'll break down all the cades first. 23:35, 18 April 2010 (BST)

L O L --

 

 

 

 

23:36, 18 April 2010 (BST)

Oookay...

I was looking at the Special:Wantedcategories page, and found this. Note the one article in it- which, strangely, doesn't seem to exist. Any idea how this happened? ~ Red Hawk One ^{Talk | space for lease} 23:46, 18 April 2010 (BST)

I'm going to guess through the semi random firing of neurons within someones head. -Poodle of Doom^{M! T} 23:53, 18 April 2010 (BST)

Yeah, you came to a guy who asked the same question a year ago. I got asked the question here and boxy helpfully directed us to this. Rooster's original conclusion seems pretty credible too. --

 

 

 

 

00:36, 19 April 2010 (BST)

Yeah, looking at it, Rooster's idea makes the most sense. It's clearly an issue with the space and redirecting now. Seems like there should be some way around it though... —Aichon— 00:42, 19 April 2010 (BST)

From what I understand, these sorts of "ghost" pages are caused by bugs in the wiki software. If we could somehow talk the big guy into updating it, then I'm sure the could be rid of these kinds of annoyances. ~ Red Hawk One ^{Talk | space for lease} 00:46, 19 April 2010 (BST)

And then we can kill the ghost images? Pwetty pwease? 00:51, 19 April 2010 (BST)

That sure seems like the easiest way around this (the only other one would by accessing the server manually) but yeah, Kevan hasn't shown too much interest in updating it :( --

 

 

 

 

06:55, 19 April 2010 (BST)

While you're all here, could one of your strapping young lads archive my A/DM entry? =] --

 

 

 

 

06:57, 19 April 2010 (BST)

I'd have considered doing it, but then you had to go and ask for a strapping young lad to do it. Unfortunately, I am not one by any stretch of the imagination. As such, I have no recourse but to comment as such on your talk page, rather than doing the actual work that was requested. :P I'll do it tomorrow if no one beats me to it —Aichon— 09:16, 19 April 2010 (BST)

Also, Rooster's A/SD submission that was duly jacked off by Iscariot is waiting on A/D to be finally cycled --

 

 

 

 

10:36, 19 April 2010 (BST)

Nrm nrm nrm! AnranrRrrrrrn arh nrrh!

Translation: DanceDanceRevolution tastes nice! Sorry bud, but I couldn't pass up the chance to get a few noms in! Chief Seagull squawk ^{don't mess with the Seagull!} 19:49, 20 April 2010 (BST)

Haha! I love it! --

 

 

 

 

01:15, 21 April 2010 (BST)

Settling it once and for all

User:Aichon/Other/Iscariot's Vandal Data. The name of the link says it all. I'm not asking for your input, necessarily (though I would welcome it), but I do want to make you aware of the page. I'm gonna try and contact all of the sysops and former sysops who are still active around here and have been involved with his data or might have an interest in it. Even if I miss a few, I figure enough people check all of your pages that most people who need to see the link will see it. ;) —Aichon— 01:29, 21 April 2010 (BST)

IP's

Yeah, he readded it between me removing the edit in question and telling him not to on the talk page. Thanks for redoing it. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 15:19, 23 April 2010 (BST)

Uh?...

I'm sorry,... I think I missed something,... What the hell happened here? -Poodle of Doom^{M! T} 18:16, 25 April 2010 (BST)

What it says, someone created an account after Kevan and misused his name for vandalism. Though I'm not sure why it links to the real Kevan...--Thadeous Oakley 18:40, 25 April 2010 (BST)

That's what I'm getting at. The real Kevin's account is being linked to... not the vandals... -Poodle of Doom^{M! T} 18:48, 25 April 2010 (BST)

It's to do with the wiki software. The "a" in that Kevan isn't really an "a", it's got a squiggly line over it, I think. It doesn't work with the software, so when you click the link, it takes you to User:Kevan instead.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 22:09, 25 April 2010 (BST)

Shouldn't it link to a ghost page instead then? A la "La Revolution"? --Thadeous Oakley 22:23, 25 April 2010 (BST)

Scratch that, for an obvious reason. --Thadeous Oakley 22:23, 25 April 2010 (BST)

No it's actually an "a",... because of that, I don't think it's a glitch in the software.... -Poodle of Doom^{M! T} 23:15, 25 April 2010 (BST)

No, it is a glitch in the software, it's come up before.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 23:20, 25 April 2010 (BST)

Okay,.... just out of curiosity, where has it come up before? I'd be interested in knowing more. -Poodle of Doom^{M! T} 00:00, 26 April 2010 (BST)

And now you know, half the battle, blah blah blue lasers. 00:07, 26 April 2010 (BST)

I notice the page in question is not on there,.... and Yonnua said it's come up before,... I'd like to know where else it's been brought up. Yada, Yada,... red lasers,... how you like them apples? -Poodle of Doom^{M! T} 00:18, 26 April 2010 (BST)

Not a clue. It may have been here, since when I originally saw this, I thought this was the original conversation. Check Kevan's talk and the talk for VD. I think Xoid said it wasn't actually to do with the character, but I have no idea.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 00:21, 26 April 2010 (BST)

The sole page there is the infamous example of what happens when wiki software fucks up the reading of nonstandard characters, and as such, is what has happened before. I like them apples diced. 00:23, 26 April 2010 (BST)

Don't get me wrong Mis, I'm happy with whatever answer I ultimatly get. I'd just love to know which one is right,... and it seems as if you and Yonnua have different opinions on the matter. Regardless, can I slice them instead? -Poodle of Doom^{M! T} 00:57, 26 April 2010 (BST)

You mean this right here? --DT^PK 01:20, 26 April 2010 (BST)

ya, same deal as [1] in the same month. --

 

 

 

 

01:30, 26 April 2010 (BST)

It could be for the reason mentioned above but I'm not sure it is. Like Yonnua, I read about this beforehand on a talk page archive and I don't think it's the case of a wikighost, rather vandals manipulating wiki bugs in order to impersonate. I can't remember how this guy did it, it was long ago. When you make an account User:kevan, it automatically capitalises the first letter to User:Kevan, perhaps he did it that way via a bug, no idea. Same thing happened to A Helpful Little Gnome once, someone made a clone account and would vandalise pages with edit summaries that mimicked Protection summaries (since protections appear in the page history). It actually fooled some people for a bit and the vandalism didn't go changed :D Either way, The ops put it on the username black list so no one can make an account with kevan in it again >=) --

 

 

 

 

01:28, 26 April 2010 (BST)

I was going to suggest that it was a result of unicode trickery (there were a number of those before Xoid and Kevan put the character whitelist into effect) but I'd forgotten about the capitalisation trick DDR mentioned. Cyberbob  Talk  01:32, 26 April 2010 (BST)

Awesome,... time to fix the vandal data right? Or has someone done it already? -Poodle of Doom^{M! T} 01:37, 26 April 2010 (BST)

I would if I was an op. The truth is those sorts of permabanned accounts aren't even put on there these days so it could just be removed methinks. --

 

 

 

 

10:21, 26 April 2010 (BST)

Thing about that is that vandal alts are listed below the accounts that they're alts of. This account is listed as an alt... shouldn't it be moved there? -Poodle of Doom^{M! T} 12:18, 26 April 2010 (BST)

No. Because people don't know the alt it is of, obviously. Not only was it probably before Checkuser was on the wiki, it is obviously an alt because the achievement itself requires knowledge that a wiki user would need to have, not a newbie. That's the basis for it. --

 

 

 

 

02:30, 27 April 2010 (BST)

Besides, it doesn't matter. Aichon fixed it using the correct symbols. --

 

 

 

 

02:32, 27 April 2010 (BST)

I guess,... at least it's been sorted out now.... -Poodle of Doom^{M! T} 04:02, 27 April 2010 (BST)

DT did all the hard work of finding it and Mis took the initiative to link it up. I just copy-pasted a few things to make it work better. :P —Aichon— 07:21, 27 April 2010 (BST)

damn you

hypocritical cuntrash. In other news when are you coming down to raper lane? xoxo 07:34, 26 April 2010 (BST)

Gets popcorn: this should be interesting--Arthur Dent BIN LADEN IS DEAD!!!!! 08:05, 26 April 2010 (BST)

whenevr u do babykakes --

 

 

 

 

10:21, 26 April 2010 (BST)

Talk page

Please don't post on my talk page. Your messages are unwelcome. Next time I make a vandal banning case. --Cornholioo 7:46, 7 May 2010 (BST)

Kevans Mistake

Ruin. Huge Mistake. Why? --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 13:31, 7 May 2010 (BST)

Not ruin as much, it was a step in a good direction, however, cade blocking was the final nail in the coffin for actual battles, and lets face it, we'll always remember pre-2007 for the glory and the battles. Nothing since then has really happened, mostly because, imo, the game has become much more individualised and focussed on the smaller conflicts and grinds inside the game: it isn't about defending the survivor stronghold mall. It wasn't just cade blocking that did this, FAK-nerfing also did a bit. But in the end the main thing I'll always remember about UD is that within hours of the cade blocking being introduced, the 3 week long battle of pitneybank was lost and the game was never the same again. Dark buildings was great, but in a holistic way it only strengthened an "alternative" side of the game, PKing, which would only ever be spurred on en masse by two things: rules that sanction/buff PKing, and general boredom with the status quo of the game (which is what turned me to PKing). Kevan did the first bit deliberately with dark buildings, and is inadvertently encouraging the second motive by not forcing big changes in UD.

The facts are: the numbers are dwindling. No iconic battles or conflicts are happening besides the incredibly mediocre Battle of Krinks, which, since it was the only interesting roleplaying battle established via wiki in over two years, everyone, more famously PK dropped any moral about decent combat initiative and just barged into the battle to join in the fun as much as possible. Kevan hasn't made a proper change to the game since, I don't know, cade blocking (imo?) and it's needed a few big changes since... It needs updates, it needs more fun (not just totally fair) balance for both sides but mainly zombies. Back on track (slightly drunk, :|), when I say he changed the game (and imo I mean for the worse) was when he added things like cade-blocking, where a) it became impossible for a band of unco-ordinated survivors to take on a horde the same size as them (I mean battle-wise), so they all spread out. Since any large zombie horde could annihilate anything within 48 hours, they were forced to spread out into smalled sub-groups too, and in turn the entire game became about survival tactics rather than "one for all" sticking into a square/mall for the best, and knowing there was a good chance that the sleiged mall would still be up (and you still alive) by the time you logged in the same time next day. I think the changes have eliminated mid-way points between a battle. It used to be "break in! cade! kill! dump! and repeat!" until the zombies eventually got in and killed, or moved on. Now it's either Survivors are definitely at a win from the start because of numbers, or Zombies definitely win within a 30 minute strike, conflict over. Nothing that could ever amount to a battle, because it's less about tactics and more about sheer numbers.

Personally, the changes are good, given the right game balance, and I can't remember having any more fun than the break-neck survival we had to engage in when the March of the Dead thing happened but that was anomaly in an otherwise unfair and boring game because the numbers just aren't right. It's the same as Face of Mankind. Once there is no balance in the game and the (non-meta gaming) survivors are perpetually in control of a majority of the map, the game gets boring for the regular guy. Going to a hot-zone as an individual ends up in certain fail, everywhere other than that is boring, and the only fun you have is PKing random people who you know will always retaliate no matter what. A majority of zombie groups can't cut it because even a group of 30 can't affect a well-established suburb in the slightest so it's just a pain in the dick. Please not that I've been drinking so about all of this won't make sense. sorry.

long story short this time I promise: no meta, no battles= bad. we haven't had a battle since cade blocking which was established by Kevan when he was a zombie in the 3 week long battle Battle of Pitneybank. That's the correlation which sticks with me. --

 

 

 

 

14:04, 7 May 2010 (BST)

Wow. Power drunk! I agree entirely about the march of the dead. Running an independent character, dying 3 days out of every 4, following even the rumour of a powered NT, sharing intel from scores of groups like a massive game of chinese whispers was the zombpocalypse. Even their idiot playing style was perfectly in genre. As for zombie groups, some of us can effect suburbs, but i feel the current balance is what draws people to the perma death maps. There are important results to your actions. But hey, Kevan stated last week he was doing a major update, and they're normally on saturdays, and with the entire country uncontrolled, what else is he going to do? --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 16:14, 7 May 2010 (BST)

Never know WHAT that crazy man will come up with. Although I still think catfishing is his best game. --

 

 

 

 

16:24, 7 May 2010 (BST)

As a quick aside, the Knights did have a reason for getting involved in the Battle of Krinks (recall that it wasn't actually a big drama magnet until we got involved): they were all ignorant. We hadn't seen a larger display of ignorance in a long time, so we responded in force to educate them all. It was only later that it became a well-known event. Prior to our involvement, it was just a small scale scuffle between dumb and dumber. IV ^PK

I agree mostly with you, cade-blocking pretty much killed siege play altogether, which is a shame, because those sieges are were definitively the highlights of urbandead. Sadly, nowadays most real conflicts revolve around PK battle's rather than actual zombie ones. --Thadeous Oakley 21:30, 7 May 2010 (BST)

I had proposed a slight fix to cade blocking in Developing Suggestions that met with mild support. I'd take it to voting, but I want more input on the idea. --Maverick ^{Talk - OBR 404} 22:55, 7 May 2010 (BST)

The suggestions system is ineffectual as an actual review system because I still reckon Kevan hasn't read it for a long time. He's been doing his own thaying now for so long that it just makes me think he's ditched the idea of suggestions and just does what he thinks is right for the game. Which is fine, but the game just not as epic as it used to be. --

 

 

 

 

03:18, 8 May 2010 (BST)

I dont feel the suggestion system is ineffectual, just the voting system. Kevans implmented loads of suggestions that didnt make peer review. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 20:46, 9 May 2010 (BST)

You make some good points. It is still possible to have sieges with feral zombies and medium sized survivors groups, which probably reflects accurately on the genre. The organized hordes in UD are a type of telepathic, highly coordinated zombie that is particular to this game, and frankly should be able to smash through almost any survivor resistance. The game needs more feral zeds, spread throughout the map, to provide a more balanced challenge. Without this I too fear the game will degenerate into a survivor PKing game with a little zombie flavor.--_GANG Giles Sednik _CAPD 12:17, 8 May 2010 (BST)

Or, Monroeville as it was more commonly known.--Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 20:46, 9 May 2010 (BST)

Hm

This place is harder to let go then you perhaps initially thought, no? ;) --Thadeous Oakley 20:37, 9 May 2010 (BST)

Definitely, except now I have no one to impress I'm afraid I've falling into the evil depths of drama and not done a fair share in wiki maintenance, though I doubt anyone minds. --

 

 

 

 

01:04, 10 May 2010 (BST)

I'm going to have to put you up for promotion, aren't I? 01:07, 10 May 2010 (BST)

arghhh noooo, I still need a couple of months :( :( :( --

 

 

 

 

01:12, 10 May 2010 (BST)

U drunk? =0 Get off your pc silly, before you do something you'll later regret ;'( --Thadeous Oakley 17:53, 15 May 2010 (BST)

NPOV

So apparently I do not know what non-point of view is. Can you please define to me what NPOV is exactly? I figured that a statement of fact is indeed NPOV, regardless of the subject matter. If I made a group whose sole goal was to kill babies, and I put "Wants to kill your babies" as a description for the group on the wiki, would that get banned as non-neutral garbage? Now, if I said "Wants to kill your babies because you're all douchebags," that I can see being POV and being subsequently banned. But a simple statement of fact, such as "They are waiting to add you to their list" isn't insulting or derogatory - it's simply what a group is waiting to do! Humor and wittiness are what makes this game fun, as the game itself is actually quite boring. All I'm really asking, I guess, is for you to tell me what exactly is wrong with stating a fact in a NPOV section, specifically here. Now I can see Dalton Riggs's statement "to hell with your list" being very biased and full of POV, but I think that the other two statements, mine and Cobra's, have nothing wrong with them. Simply because Eagle of Fire gets his panties in a wad when I tell him I'm going to kill him in-game doesn't mean that he should be given free reign to delete our posts, which incidentally have been there for months, and in the case of Cobra, years. Please use your all-knowing-unbiased-administrative-wisdom in this situation, as (with all wiki-edit discrepancies) I find it fuelled by absurdity. --alevins 05:44, 21 May 2010 (BST)

Wah! More panties bunching up -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 06:41 21 May 2010 (BST)

Honestly, I'd delete the whole section. NPOV isn't just about making factual statements, but about being fair with which facts are shared, where the emphasis is placed relative to what other topics are covered, and a whole lot of other matters. There are already group listings on every single suburb page, so anything more than that effectively amounts to group advertisements, and we have a page for that already. Plus, while I haven't checked yet, I'm willing to bet that a lot of the groups listed there aren't even active any longer, since they weren't cleaned up along with the Great Suburb Group Massacre. Long story short, practically everything about that section is POV. —Aichon— 06:51, 21 May 2010 (BST)

Those sections are supposed to be tongue in cheek "tourist info" type sections, where people can be a bit creative about what makes their suburb "special". Unfortunately some of the more "special" members of the community think that it's a good place to advertise their super cool groups, and how badass they are.
If you're not putting things that tourists may be interested in, then keep out of that section -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 06:56 21 May 2010 (BST)

I'm not sure I can bring myself to address every point you posted here, since I'm tired at the moment, and two administrators have already seemingly backed up my position. However, I'll clear some things up.

Firstly, I never said or even insinuated that you didn't know what POV or NPOV meant. Similarly, I won't be attempting to explain it for you, not just because of that but also because I don't have a blind, black and white opinion of POV, and if I did, it would be as what the Wiki states, but since it doesn't, I treat everything on a case-by-case basis.

You seem to be arguing with the notion that it's okay to have your entries there because there are similar posts like that on Yagoton and other suburb posts. You paraphrased that in your edit summary which you linked above, and as I explained in mine, that's why your edit was reverted. You say there's "nothing wrong" with Cobra and CT's entries, but you also assert that there's similar content out there and that's why the posts shouldn't be removed. I personally disagree, as, I explained, IMO the "war against POV" isn't solved by just keeping everything equal POV. It's by removing everything that is POV or changing it so it is NPOV. Since neither of us (or 99% of the wiki for that matter) involved in this metaphorical war, removing/changing everything isn't a goal but it sure is a long-term goal of the wiki to remove outdated and POV stuff on suburb pages, which is why I don't agree with your reasoning behind your edits. The length they've been up there is also irrelevant.

If you want a short answer from me over what should specifically be on the tourist section- it essentially mirrors Boxy's sentiment- that section is for roleplaying tourist attractions and I don't think 'get killed by X' is anything of the sort. Similarly, without sounding patronising, honestly, I think your groups are a bit better than squabbling over such a trivial recruitment/attention device. There are more than enough areas in a suburb page to cram subtle group references. I'd just suggest making this one a little more fitting. --

 

 

 

 

10:34, 21 May 2010 (BST)

My problem wasn't with the removal of out posts, it was with the removal of our posts and the let continue of the Abandoned and Human Unity Revolution's posts - what seemed like anti-PK bias to me, anyways. Thanks to Boxy for enforcing the "war against POV" blindly without bias. --alevins 16:16, 21 May 2010 (BST)

You're going to have to re-iterate what you mean by "posts", because to me posts means news reports and I didn't remove any of those. I simply reverted your edit because it was wrong in the pov context, if you see POV happening feel free to take it off. --

 

 

 

 

03:16, 22 May 2010 (BST)

>:D

Whoops, and you're dead. --Thadeous Oakley 14:59, 22 May 2010 (BST)

lol nooooooooooooooooooo --

 

 

 

 

15:01, 22 May 2010 (BST)

lol, if I had the AP, I would revive you too ;D! --Thadeous Oakley 15:05, 22 May 2010 (BST)

Ban

Since you're part of the reason I'm leaving, and looking for a way to ensure that I never come back, would you care to do the honors? -Poodle of Doom^{M! T} 06:16, 23 May 2010 (BST)

It's a bit hard, given that DDR isn't a sysop -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 06:27 23 May 2010 (BST)

You always took my criticisms of you so well that it led me to respect you. Now your personal issues are apparently somehow a result of me disagreeing with you in professional matters, I do not. --

 

 

 

 

06:31, 23 May 2010 (BST)