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October 2008
User:DCC
- And again here.here I know it's hard for you to understand, as a person who has been banned a number of times, but spewing your bile on the top of a persons user page is out of bounds. --Stephen Colbert DFA 06:20, 9 October 2008 (BST)
- It's not too late. You can cancel this case before a sysop sees it. Your hero, Grim, has done a lot worse on talk pages. I don't want my new best friend to be mocked by the sysops. I can tell you that they will call this case "petty" , Nubis will ask if you left a msg on my talk page to sort this out.--
#99 DCC 06:31, 9 October 2008 (BST)
- I'll let the sysops speak for themselves. --Stephen Colbert DFA 06:35, 9 October 2008 (BST)
- Fixed. It was on his user page and that was clearly an accident that once he posted about it on my talk page I fixed and apologized for. It's nice when users can work out their problems like rational intelligent adults without running to tattle like crybabies.... oh wai- -- #99 DCC 06:38, 9 October 2008 (BST)
- "An accident" that happened three times? In his haste to be a wiki jackass, DCC went off the rails. Him and his buddies are in full lynch mode for Grimch for what was at best, a minor infraction... a mistake, if you will. Well, I also believe people should be accountable for their mistakes. --Stephen Colbert DFA 06:45, 9 October 2008 (BST)
- Well, riddle me this, Batman. What do you want? I fixed it, I apologized, and I am staying off your talk page (and user page now). So, what now? The irony would be if you asked for my ban for such a "minor" offense when you yourself are railing against that very same thing. So, how can you reconcile demanding my blood, yet being pissed that people are doing the same to Grim? Interesting.... PS - I don't have any buddies but the goons and they aren't involved in the Grim thing. -- #99 DCC 07:28, 9 October 2008 (BST)
- Well, riddle me this, Batman. What do you want? I fixed it, I apologized, and I am staying off your talk page (and user page now). So, what now? The irony would be if you asked for my ban for such a "minor" offense when you yourself are railing against that very same thing. So, how can you reconcile demanding my blood, yet being pissed that people are doing the same to Grim? Interesting.... PS - I don't have any buddies but the goons and they aren't involved in the Grim thing. --
- "An accident" that happened three times? In his haste to be a wiki jackass, DCC went off the rails. Him and his buddies are in full lynch mode for Grimch for what was at best, a minor infraction... a mistake, if you will. Well, I also believe people should be accountable for their mistakes. --Stephen Colbert DFA 06:45, 9 October 2008 (BST)
- Fixed. It was on his user page and that was clearly an accident that once he posted about it on my talk page I fixed and apologized for. It's nice when users can work out their problems like rational intelligent adults without running to tattle like crybabies.... oh wai- --
- I'll let the sysops speak for themselves. --Stephen Colbert DFA 06:35, 9 October 2008 (BST)
- It's not too late. You can cancel this case before a sysop sees it. Your hero, Grim, has done a lot worse on talk pages. I don't want my new best friend to be mocked by the sysops. I can tell you that they will call this case "petty" , Nubis will ask if you left a msg on my talk page to sort this out.--
- And again here.here I know it's hard for you to understand, as a person who has been banned a number of times, but spewing your bile on the top of a persons user page is out of bounds. --Stephen Colbert DFA 06:20, 9 October 2008 (BST)
- Here we go.--– Nubis NWO 07:31, 9 October 2008 (BST)
- Since you moved the links to 2 of the 3 examples of vandalism, I am requesting that you return that post to the main page. It is germane to the argument. --Stephen Colbert DFA 07:38, 9 October 2008 (BST)
- Nevermind, I edited it. --Stephen Colbert DFA 07:40, 9 October 2008 (BST)
User:Cyberbob240
So we ban people that express opinions aggressively and don't agree with you, Grim? Why that doesn't sound like abuse of authority at all! Are you going to warn everyone that isn't the original poster or a sysop about shitting up the page or is it just bob because he's special? --– Nubis 01:40, 8 October 2008 (BST)
- I can't believe I missed this little gem: Trolling is exclusively bad faith, FYI. --The Grimch You heard it here first, folks! NOW trolling is bad faith because GRIM decided it is. --– Nubis 03:37, 8 October 2008 (BST)
- Would you care to explain how trolling would be done in good faith? Especially cyberbobs particular trolling on that page. --The Grimch U! E! 11:04, 8 October 2008 (BST)
- You have been trolling around the wiki for months, and in your mind it appears to be in good faith towards the community. Just because your trolling has words with more than 2 syllables and could be printed in several A4 sheets of paper, doesnt mean it's not trolling. --People's Commissar Hagnat talk 14:01, 8 October 2008 (BST)
- Would you care to explain how trolling would be done in good faith? Especially cyberbobs particular trolling on that page. --The Grimch U! E! 11:04, 8 October 2008 (BST)
Trolling is a subjective view. A sysop deciding that any act is bad faith and forwarding that opinion in a vandal report is an attempt at moderation, plain and simple. Also all comments must be placed on the main page of a misconduct case, not the talk page. You cannot prevent someone from participating in a community matter on a community page. This ruling of vandalism is invalid. -- 
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. <== DDR Approved Editor 14:14, 8 October 2008 (BST)
- Iscariot, while sometimes I may get "miffed" at you, you really do impress me. This is exactly how I feel about the issue and very well said. --– Nubis NWO 14:21, 8 October 2008 (BST)
- People get "miffed" at me, as you so daintily put it, because I prefer a system of enforceable statutes (the policies). Although I don't believe this to be the best way of running a community system such as this, the only efficient replacement would be a forum style empowered moderator system, which this community has shown time and again to be against. My major point of contention with the sysop team is their lack of proactive effort to resolve any grey areas that are brought up. Once a situation is ruled on, that should become a statutory precedent to allow other users to see how the community operates through reading the archives. Not doing this creates major differences between the enforcement of policies against different users and creates drama and discontent within the community. --
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. <== DDR Approved Editor 14:32, 8 October 2008 (BST)
- People get "miffed" at me, as you so daintily put it, because I prefer a system of enforceable statutes (the policies). Although I don't believe this to be the best way of running a community system such as this, the only efficient replacement would be a forum style empowered moderator system, which this community has shown time and again to be against. My major point of contention with the sysop team is their lack of proactive effort to resolve any grey areas that are brought up. Once a situation is ruled on, that should become a statutory precedent to allow other users to see how the community operates through reading the archives. Not doing this creates major differences between the enforcement of policies against different users and creates drama and discontent within the community. --
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