Suggestion:20080407 The Old One-Two

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20080407 The Old One-Two

Suggestion type
Skill/Change

Suggestion Scope
Survivors

Suggestion description
That Hand to Hand Combat be renamed "Melee Combat", and that a new skill entitled Hand to Hand Combat be implemented. A Survivor with this new skill would attack twice when attacking with fists, with a seperate roll for each fist, for 1 AP. Average damage: 0.5. Chance to hit: 7/16 (0.4375). This would not crossover, Zombies are not agile enough for these shenanigans.

This would not trigger against barricades or other inanimate objects.

Voting Section

Voting Rules

Votes must be numbered, justified, signed, and timestamped. # justification ~~~~ Votes that do not conform to the above may be struck by any user.

The only valid votes are Keep, Kill, Spam or Dupe. If you wish to abstain from voting, do not vote.

Keep Votes

1. Keep It's worse than axes right? Sounds like a fun plan B. --Jon Pyre 00:06, 8 April 2008 (BST)
2. Keep/Change - I like this idea, I do. However, you don't mention the reason why this is implemented and whether or not you can turn it off. Only a few little edits and I would keep this, but I can't vote for a new skill and disagree with it. So there would need to be a change before my vote was permanent. Also, do an author keep.. --Vandurn 00:07, 8 April 2008 (BST).
3. Keep -sureWoot!1eleven11!!--Airborne88^T|Z.Quiz|PSS 00:10, 8 April 2008 (BST)

   OMG l33t k33pz!!! --Gene Splicer 21:11, 9 April 2008 (BST)

4. Keep - Don't listen to airborne, he has no clue what he's talking about.... *cough* NOOB! *cough*--/~Rakuen~\^Talk I Still Love Grim 00:22, 8 April 2008 (BST)
5. Meep - Sure, why not? --FXI 00:34, 8 April 2008 (BST)
6. Keepazoid 5000 - There's no reason for it to not be in the game. --The Gecko PKer 00:37, 8 April 2008 (BST)
7. Keep - Keep because it's better than the punch idea that I came up with, and I want to punch my enemies to death. Fear my awesome fists of fury! I shall sue Law and Order for copyright infringement, for Law and Order are the trademarked names of my left and right fists! Of JUSTICE!--Tselita 00:39, 8 April 2008 (BST)
8. Keep - sure. --Pdeq^Talk* 01:01, 8 April 2008 (BST)
9. keep - I like it a lot!--KF 02:16, 8 April 2008 (BST)
10. Why not just call this skill "boxing" or something.--Pesatyel 02:41, 8 April 2008 (BST)
11. Keep - Agreed, name should be changed to boxing, though melee is alright. --Private Mark 04:17, 8 April 2008 (BST)
12. Keep - Voting keep for using the word "shenanigans." --Druuuuu ^OcTRR 04:47, 8 April 2008 (BST)
13. Keep - Whatever, sounds cools.--Jamie Cantwel3 06:54, 8 April 2008 (BST)
14. Keep - Anything to make Punch better! --Zardoz 08:32, 8 April 2008 (BST)
15. Keep/change - As above- call it boxing. --Studoku ^W! 08:59, 8 April 2008 (BST)
16. Keep - Simply - good suggestion. -- 
    •  Nevin McAvoy 
    •  (talk) 
    09:04, 8 April 2008 (BST)
17. Keep - I've always liked to inflict death by punching. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 12:07, 8 April 2008 (BST)
18. ZOMG - Completely overpowered survivor buff. -doc crook 13:37, 8 April 2008 (BST)
19. keep Watch out you zombies, with skills like this survivors are UNSTOPPABLE. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 13:41, 8 April 2008 (BST)
20. Keep - This is a free action if i'm a pregnant cat. --UCFSD 17:05, 8 April 2008 (BST)
21. Keep - Pow! Pow! KNOCKOUT!! --Hhal 19:28, 8 April 2008 (BST)
22. In this corner, we have Axe Hack! And in the other corner, we have Axe Hack's Evil Twin! This is a fight between good and evil, so ring the bell, and let the battle begin! *Ding ding ding! Axe Hack's Evil Twin quickly slaughters Axe Hack. Ding ding ding!* We have a winner! --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 21:01, 8 April 2008 (BST)
23. Keep - Thought it will make left, left, right jealous im voting keep.--Carnexhat 21:19, 8 April 2008 (BST)
24. Keep - Damnit, all the witty keeps have been taken. I guess you could say it's the finishing move for the old school zombie Hunter, but that's just not funny. Acoustic Pie 21:58, 8 April 2008 (BST)
25. Keep - Fists of Fury, eh?--Kolechovski 04:57, 9 April 2008 (BST)
26. Keep - as anything above--Corndoghero^T-S-Z 06:19, 9 April 2008 (BST)
27. Author Keep - Because the Author is awesome, handsome, and a total sex machine --Gene Splicer 21:11, 9 April 2008 (BST)
28. Keep - as per the text. --Funt Solo ^QT 20:21, 12 April 2008 (BST)
29. Keep - PUNCHOUT!--Crazyloop 20:30, 19 April 2008 (BST)
30. Keep - Look over here, while shaking left hand, and BLAM! right in the kisser. Meatshield 17:27, 21 April 2008 (BST)

Kill Votes

1. Kill - Not a bad suggestion, but current system in place is fine.  Billy Club Thorton  T!  RR  03:51, 8 April 2008 (BST)
2. If you have to put it in, rename the skill to Boxing. I'm just voting Kill because it doesn't sound flavorable to me. You're punching people in the middle of a zombie apoc. Eh. It might be fun, but it would break flavor. (EDIT: Sig fixed) --ShadowScope^{'the true enemy'}04:25, 8 April 2008 (BST)
3. kill - meh --WanYao 05:25, 8 April 2008 (BST)
4. kill - meh --~~~~ [talk] 07:29, 8 April 2008 (BST)
5. Kill - Current system is fine, plus changing a well-known skill isn't a good idea... lots of players are already used to it! -- The Lethal Trio ^{[Tlk|NTCS|RRF] U! E!} 16:24, 8 April 2008 (BST)
6. Kill- Don't like this suggestion. -- BKM 16:36, 8 April 2008 (BST)
7. Kill - no. because humans don't really need more skills. -- Jack ^{S13 T! PC} 20:32, 8 April 2008 (BST)
8. Kill - Jack, what are you smoking? Malton is in goddamn ruins, and you zombie jihadists are still whining? Please shut up about "OMG overpowered survivors Kevan nerf wah" for 5 minutes, and go look at the game. Survivors are LOSING. Period. With that said, this suggestion is unnecessary and won't have any real effect on the game. No need to waste Kevan's time on something like this miserable excuse for a buff. Besides, whoever heard of punching a zombie to death? --TerminalFailure 21:23, 8 April 2008 (BST)
9. Kill - Apart from anything else, I think the system we have is decent enougth as it stands. And terminal failure, survivors are slowly building up their numbers again. Don't worry about it, in a few months the balance will ahve swung back the other way.--Seventythree^Talk 22:36, 8 April 2008 (BST)
10. Kill because survivors are only losing because the average survivor player is a brainless dullard. カシュー, ザ ゾンビ クィーン (ビープ ビープ) @ 11:39, 9 April 2008 (BST)

    Re ...and that is relevant to this suggestion because? --Gene Splicer 21:07, 9 April 2008 (BST)

11. Kill No-one would buy the skill. Hand-to-Hand Combat and Axe Proficiency would always be a higher priority. And once you have those two skills (or even Hand-to-Hand plus a sports weapon) Boxing would be redundant. --Explodey 16:51, 9 April 2008 (BST)
12. Kill - No purpose, don't need to overcomplicate skill trees for newbies. --Riseabove 22:24, 12 April 2008 (BST)
13. Kill We still use shotguns and axes, so there is no point. Most survivors probably carry axes, anyway. --Sgt. Napalm 23:33, 16 April 2008 (BST)
14. No, just no. This is probably the 40th most overpowered suggestion I have ever seen. Right behind nukes and napalm and sniper rifles for survivors. --Thekooks 19:12, 17 April 2008 (BST)
15. Kill - its the wrong flavour for me, and its pointless. Pick up a freakin' axe mate.--xoxo 05:47, 21 April 2008 (BST)

Spam/Dupe Votes

1. Spam - Worthless. Strong kill. - Grant (talk) 02:02, 9 April 2008 (BST)

   Re Suggestion rules state "Spam votes are not a "strong kill", they are simply here to prevent the utterly ridiculous from clogging up the system. If you do not like the idea, and it's not some crazy uber power or something else ridiculous, VOTE KILL, NOT SPAM" --Gene Splicer 21:07, 9 April 2008 (BST)

2. Spam - Free fucking action. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 19:43, 15 April 2008 (BST)