Talk:Malton Uprising

Support

The Black Flag supports the Malton Uprising.

Sorry

As much as we don't like Multi-Alt policies, PK'ing is a big No-no for us, the SMW. If DEM were a PK'er group, things might be different, but we're gonna have to decline your offer. Apocalyptic doom 21:07, 10 October 2008 (BST)

No problem. Just to clarify matters, if there was any confusion...not every group involved in the MU PKs the DEM. But as things currently stand, their involvement is something of a tacit approval (or at least a non-condemnation) of the other groups that have decided to go that far. So I can understand not wanting to be involved even on that level. And best of luck to the SMW, in either case. (Though...are there even any zambahz in the area to protect people from? ;)) --Jen 01:57, 11 October 2008 (BST)

West Grayside's a silent place, I know, which is why our group travels a lot. We just came back from Stanbury Village, and are planning to head out again soon. We only base our selves there because that where are origins are. Apocalyptic doom 03:59, 18 October 2008 (BST)

MU alt policy... so, uh, where is it, exactly? LOL

do you people have a strict one alt policy for MU members? because there are a large number of groups under this umbrella, and if a player had an alt in more than just one... well... that'd make you... uuuuuh... just like the DEM!

i mean, not that i really give a damn, you're insignificant and irrelevant, anyhow, but... i was just, like, wondering and such about your alt policy, y'know? --WanYao 21:11, 27 September 2008 (BST)

Naw, lol. We're not an umbrella group...we're pretty much an "event." About the closest thing we could be compared to is something like the Big Bash, or some sort of PKer extravaganza. And we stick with the same rules as things like that...one alt involved per person. My babah Philosophe Knight is going to stick with handing out FAKs in centers of learning, for instance, until any Uprising/DEM craziness is done. --Jen 21:25, 27 September 2008 (BST)

So the two alts will be accepted, as long as both aren't fighting DEM members, so they aren't working together. Wow, that sounds a lot like the DEM. Good to know you both aren't breaking the rules! LemonHead7t7 *̡͌l̡*̡̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡̡|͡|̲̲̲͡͡͡ ̲▫̲͡ ̲̲̲͡͡π̲̲͡͡ ̲̲͡▫̲̲͡͡ ̲|]]| ̡̡̡ ̡ ̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡*̡͌l̡* ^{Talk/PDA/Red Rum/MOB} 05:06, 28 September 2008 (BST)

The Big Bash was, in effect, a group. Which operated in one area at a time, not several simultaneously. And you could have only one alt involved in it. The comparison is totally inaccurate. And, when PKer "events" take place in one location or area, if a one alt per player policy is not followed, that's multi-abuse. Period. This "event" as you call it involves a large number of groups acting across several surbubs. And, these groups are all fighting the exact same enemy. Which would make their stance on multi-abuse a lot less stringent than that of the DEM, technically... But, if it's as Lemonhead explained... then... yeah... it's pretty much the same as the DEM. Fascinating. --WanYao 05:15, 28 September 2008 (BST)

Hmm... First she praises our ability to keep our members off the Ronin Gallery, then she parties with us in Stanbury Village, and now she's following alt policies nearly identical to ours... I predict a DEM alt in your future, Jen. :) --William Told 10:28, 28 September 2008 (BST)

Three simple letters, Jen: MFU. DO EET!! :P -- Atticus Rex ^{mfu pif} Δ 14:56, 28 September 2008 (BST)

If you're going to Recruitment Spam, do it on brainstock. And the entire post seems to be on of those "I don't like those people; they must be zerging" allegations.--Janine 00:29, 29 September 2008 (BST)

Naw, they can try to recruit me here. I don't mind. But...MFU? Blech. No thank you! MCDU or Axes High, maybe...but not the MFU. Or any other part of the DEM core.

And, naw, it's a bit more serious than "I don't like these people; they're zerging" stuff. They're accusing us of hypocrisy, which IS a big deal. I think they're dead wrong, but they've every right to bring it up. --Jen 00:56, 29 September 2008 (BST)

Because apparently it wasn't clear enough the first time:

• This is a temporary thing. We're calling it an "event"/"petition"/"uprising"/"coalition," not a "group"/"alliance," for a reason. In a month or two or three, it's going to be disbanded, and everyone can get back to their normal lives, which tends to involve killing one another. The DEM is a permanent alliance. I'd say that's a rather notable difference.

• We wouldn't have a problem with the DEM alt policy if is its members groups actually acted like groups in an alliance, not like sub-groups. If you want to read and join the debates going on about this, get the password to a certain forum on Brainstock. I'm not going to argue this point here, except to say, we DO think we've got a point here.

• You can only have one alt involved in this. Just like you could have only one alt involved in the Big Bash. Or in a PKer event. Which are the closest parallels I can come up with to this. They may not be perfect comparisons, but they're closer parallels than comparing us to the DEM. Just because the RRF and the MOB were both participating in the big bash didn't mean that you had to officially leave the RRF so that your MOB character could do stuff. It's the same here. I don't see where you're getting the idea that a person can have more than one alt involved, Lemon and Wan, after I specifically said otherwise.

If the one-alt per player policy is not followed, that's multi-abuse, period, and we hammer whoever is doing it over the head. If there's other characters contributing information to the same cause, that's multi-abuse, and we hammer whoever's doing that over the head. I'm sitting out anything DEM-related with my other characters for the duration of the Uprising. Other folks, who could potentially have more than one character involved, either directly (killing) or indirectly (scouting, etc.), are doing exactly the same thing.

• There's a large number of groups, acting across several suburbs, because many of our groups are localized survivor groups. Who aren't just going to up and drop their survivor activities to shoot DEM. And perhaps more importantly...we're spread out because the DEM, who we're attacking, is spread out all across the map. Our spread-out-ness is a direct result of the spread-out-ness of the DEM. If the DEM was in one place, most of us would be in one place. If we wanted to, we could move all our mobile groups into one suburb. Unfortunately, we'd run out of people to shoot pretty darn quickly. --Jen 00:59, 29 September 2008 (BST)

Seconding the above, there were some who posted on the Uprising forum before we got started asking about that and those who had alts in more than one group participating idled out said alts or are putting them to work in something that has NOTHING to do with the Uprising. For those who have multiple alts the ONLY information they are giving us is what that alt in the Uprising-affiliated group is collecting, any information another alt may pick up is ignored no matter how useful it may have been. -- Garviel Loken^{No Pity! No Remorse! No Fear! Talk}02:29, 29 September 2008 (BST)

I agree that this does not constitute alt-abuse in any way. :) --William Told 02:45, 29 September 2008 (BST)

In addition, there's another difference with regards to how the MU and the DEM formed. For someone with an alt in more than one MU group, they were in those groups already when they joined the Uprising, and have now taken steps to ensure they aren't committing alt abuse. The fact that two groups they joined happened to come together for one cause and will then go off again shouldn't force a person to leave a group if they can be in both without both contributing to the Uprising. Now, for those with multiple alts in the DEM, unless every single one of those people had all their alts in the respective groups prior to the DEM coalescing, they've joined the same group knowingly with multiple characters. And even if all of them did meet that criteria, there's still the fact that their policy allows newer people to do the same, as well as those alts who are in the DEM now being contributing, however indirectly, to the same cause. Rather different circumstances. I don't see any way you can call the MU's policy here to be alt abuse unless you're just trying to kick shit up, frankly.--Panthera 02:47, 29 September 2008 (BST)

Comparing the alt-policies of the MU and the DEM is an absolute joke. As has been mentioned, the Malton Uprising is not a group. If any such as Wan do not agree with the term event you could call it a coalition, or maybe, maybe an alliance (although that would actually severely overstate the level of cooperation). To say that groups can't collaborate at all is ridiculous, to say we are organized like the DEM is ignorant, and to say that the MU allows individuals to contribute multiple alts is slander. If someone happened to have had an alts in more than one of the groups that joined the MU (which is very uncommon) they can not use both to contribute to it. Period. If you know of somebody breaking that rule (and I know you don't because you would have cited it) I want to know who they are so they can be thrown out and stuck on my personal KOS list. If you don't, go try to start up trouble somewhere else.--Allan Friedman 03:18, 29 September 2008 (BST)

The wiki is not the place for intelligent discussion on this topic.--William Told 06:42, 29 September 2008 (BST)

Brainstock certainly isn't, so what do you suggest? -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 15:12, 29 September 2008 (BST)

Well, the private discussion that's on the DEM's Public Communication forum on Brainstock is locked to everyone who isn't willing to speak reasonably, including DEM members who haven't been granted access. You just have to PM an admin if you want access, which will be revoked if you prove to be unwilling to debate civilly. Aside from that, I don't know. Perhaps the Philosophe Knights should host a discussion. Given your reputation for enlightenment and your participation in the Uprising, who would be better? --William Told 17:59, 29 September 2008 (BST)

"DEM's Public Communication forum on Brainstock is locked to everyone who isn't willing to speak reasonably, .... if you want access, which will be revoked if you prove to be unwilling to debate civilly."

"This court will come to order and I shall hold in contempt anyone who says something the defendant doesn't like!"

-- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 15:46, 30 September 2008 (BST)

Seriously even if you hate the DEM most folks realize that the MU has some real mouth breathers among its membership. If you can't come to some sort of understanding about why we won't just allow any old member to come to our forums and flame away then perhaps you're one of them.--Kristi of the Dead 04:00, 3 October 2008 (BST)

The problem is that you are the ones who gets to decide without any further recourse, it's a court where the prisoner can have anything stricken from the record if he chooses.

That and your response is a passive aggressive accusation, "If you don't see why they get banned, THEN YOU'RE ONE OF THEM!", paranoid much? It's this pointlessness which means I'll never post on Brainstock, I've seen enough of your activities on linked threads to have my fill. There will never be anything but a DEM friendly debate take place on that board. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 13:13, 3 October 2008 (BST)

yeah clearly you have no idea what you're talking about. --Kristi of the Dead 11:23, 4 October 2008 (BST)

It's their board, and as far as I'm concerned, they do whatever they like in their own "home". That being said, there's a reason I categorically refuse to participate in Brainstock anymore, outside of RG reporting. And the problems are on "both sides of the fence"... you know, like, no one faction has a monopoly on what Kristi so eloquently called "mouth-breathing"... Meh... --WanYao 21:03, 3 October 2008 (BST)

I never said the other side had a monopoly on the mouth breathing. I was explaining why so many of Iscariot's friends get banned from the most popular forum in the game.--Kristi of the Dead 11:23, 4 October 2008 (BST)

What started off as ironic satire (though, like all real satire, it had a serious point)... has turned to high burlesque... --WanYao 05:43, 30 September 2008 (BST)

I tried to responding to it with a light touch at first. Because the serious point in the mix deserved some response, but the ludicrous comparison deserved a LOL. And if people hadn't utterly missed the point, and proceeded to call us hypocrites, I wouldn't have then written a bloody treatise. --Jen 23:14, 30 September 2008 (BST)

@Iscariot - They really just revoke access if you troll or flame. --William Told 03:15, 1 October 2008 (BST)

Have them define 'troll or flame' completely before I consider making an account there. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 13:13, 3 October 2008 (BST)

Ask DT. He's posted in that topic. --William Told 20:42, 3 October 2008 (BST)

http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Malton_Uprising&oldid=1266257

"Note that no one is to use only and no more than 1 character in the fight."

This seems to have been lost in Doudomida's vandalism on the article page.

http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Malton_Uprising&action=history

--Secruss^|Yak|Brahnz!|CGR|PKA||EMLN|Templates|RRF|RFTM|Crap|WHOZ||MU|GN|C2008||19:08, 12 October 2008 (BST)

So who is Doudomida's DEM alt? Pure libel. Weeks 20:16, 19 October 2008 (BST)

I have a question for the leader of the Uprising

Would you please be able to contact me via email, my email is on my user page. located [1]. I would like to ask a favor of you. --Eric bessette 22:07, 5 October 2008 (BST)

We have a leader? And our goal is explicitly to fight the DEM. There are no side quests.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/The_Malton_Uprising/index.php?act=idx --Secruss^|Yak|Brahnz!|CGR|PKA||EMLN|Templates|RRF|RFTM|Crap|WHOZ||MU|GN|C2008||19:10, 12 October 2008 (BST)

Template

yo... i dunno what the f... is wrong wtih this thing, but uh, it ain't working right. check the bottom of the page --Jack ^{S13 T! PC} 16:19, 29 September 2008 (BST)

Lessee...is it working now? --Jen 23:18, 30 September 2008 (BST)

Support from the Wild Cardz

So, is there any special channel one would have to go through to support the Uprising, or do we just start killing off DEM members? (because I do that...) --Damios 02:20, 30 September 2008 (BST)

Well...there's the sekrit Uprising forum, where there's some basic coordination going on. But that's mainly for leaders of groups to coordinate, there's a bit of a backlog of accounts, some groups don't even have a representative there, and I don't have the power to validate anyone even if I wanted to.

So...at this point, your best bet would be to just add yourself to the list of groups officially involved, and start killing DEM members in the name of the Uprising. If you want to get involved further, I'll see what I can do. --Jen 23:00, 30 September 2008 (BST)

: Excellent. I'll talk to the rest of the group and see how they feel about actively hunting these fellows down. --Damios 23:26, 30 September 2008 (BST)

DORIS

DORIS is still willing to join under the condition that the Imperium is kicked out and declared a target. We have over 30 people. Imperium has 8 at best. The Imperium are also fags and eat cock, lots of cock. Oh, and if you reject our proposal and do not send this message to at least 10 other people by midnight an old lady will come out of a mirror and make you a pedophile. Be warned! --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 22:01, 13 October 2008 (BST)

Jeeze Sonny, don't you ever get tired of this stuff or is your brain just hardwired to a random *chan?--Janine 02:38, 14 October 2008 (BST)

I don't know...I've never actually thought about it. So we have a deal? --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 02:50, 14 October 2008 (BST)

And he keeps going, lulz. --Met Fan ^F

Good. Deal is set. If you go back on deal your penis will fall off...twice. So when is top secret attack on DEM and Imperium? --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 00:09, 15 October 2008 (BST)

Right after you stop beating this dead horse... --Kikashie ^{Read the Dispatch!} 02:32, 15 October 2008 (BST)

By the by, is this a general consensus of DORIS, or just your personal vendetta against the Imperium spilling over into DORIS again? --Kikashie ^{Read the Dispatch!} 02:42, 15 October 2008 (BST)

DORIS and all our allies hate the Imperium for being retarded. Less than half of DORIS want to attack Imperium again. The rest feel there is no need because they'd just run away again. Also, your first message makes no sense. You say you agree but after I stop beating the dead horse. If I stop then there wouldn't be a deal for you to agree with. Your logic sucks and your penis fell off. --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 21:18, 15 October 2008 (BST)

Sonny,the Imperium may be complete fags,but as you said they have 8 members at best and the DEM have over 300 members and they use bots,abuse alts,make dumb policies,and are fags too.Who's the greater evil here?The DEM or the Imperium?--Gamestriker4 19:17, 25 October 2008 (BST)

Seriously? Bots? They're against DEM policy. And if you took 2 seconds to read the alt-policy of DEM, I doubt many people would have a serious issue with it. 3 alts allowed in DEM, period, 1 per core group, only 1 character in the same chain of command, and there must be at least one suburb buffer between any alts.

If you're referring to DEMON as a "bot" then you don't have any f^$king clue how it works. DEMON reports barricades, generator status, zombie & PKer numbers and time since last update. Frankly, I think the non-PKers are just jealous that they don't have anything that useful, and the PKers are just pissed because we have an easy way to see them and return fire or preemptively take them out. The zombie changes make the game hard enough when there's 100 of them outside of a TRP. We don't need jackasses hailing science shooting at us, too.

I can't speak to the faggotry in DEM, or stupid policies, most of it isn't unbearable. Then again, this is just an excuse for PKers to PK under the guise of an "uprising". You'd be PKing us regardless of your facade of a manifesto.

And to the rest of you who aren't outright PKer groups that regularly shit on other survivors... if the DEM is over 300 strong and a pro-survivor group, what happens when 300 pro-survivors who are "cheating" according to the manifesto decide that we don't want to help survivors anymore?GeraldThompson 17:53, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Dissolving

So... That's it, huh?--Labine50 ^{MEMS | MHG} 03:49, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Lulz, what a twist! oh wait... no it wasn't...--/~Rakuen~\^Talk I Still Love Grim 03:53, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

That's it. All the MU groups are back to their pre-Uprising activities. I'm sure the CGR and the Spartans are still killing you, but it's no longer in the MU's name.--Ben Harding 14:35, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Nah, we kinda got used to it, so yeah...let the killing continue. --ScouterTX 21:46, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, I'm glad somebody still is... I was worried that I wouldn't have anyone to antagonize constantly if the Uprising was gone for good.--Labine50 ^{MEMS | MHG} 17:16, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Okay, as long as you don't go "kristi" on me ;) --ScouterTX 13:40, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Well it was fun while it lasted.--Gamestriker4 19:46, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Wait, what were they doing again? --Blanemcc 18:47, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Changed my mind, its useless anyway.--ScouterTX 01:55, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Bad representation

When I read the actual article, I thought 'this is a well thought-out, reasonable, intellectual idea'. The discussion page coincidently makes it look otherwise - Zig13 - 30/09/2008 at 16:03(BST)

This is the UD wiki. What did you expect to find on the talk page? ;) --Jen 22:53, 30 September 2008 (BST)

The people most involved with the event on the front page.--Kristi of the Dead 04:01, 3 October 2008 (BST)

Are you really a guy? --ScouterTX 01:18, 11 October 2008 (BST)

"The people most involved with the even on the front page." What...like me? Who stops by here to give serious answers to the few and far between serious questions people post? Or like Panthera, and Allen from the FOD, up there?

I don't censor what people post here, 'cause this ain't my page to censor, however much I'd like to. If people want to be idiots (like a certain person directly above me is being, or like Secruss has been, no offense to him (well...actually some, as I disagreed with the whole smokescreen strategy from the get-go), they can be idiots. Any halfway serious discussion has always happened elsewhere, not here. Honestly, though...if it's currently causing more problems than it's worth, I'll see about getting permission from the Uprising proper to separate this into "halfway serious discussion - no trolling plz, or your posts will be DELETED!!!!!" and "flamebait" sections. :P --Jen 01:48, 11 October 2008 (BST)

Fair enough. BTW. Ya see what scouter up there just asked me? You remember when I mentioned the sort of lieing that MU members were doing about me specifically? I wonder where Scouter got the idea I was a guy.--Kristi of the Dead 07:58, 11 October 2008 (BST)

From met. --ScouterTX 16:53, 11 October 2008 (BST)

Actually Kristi, that could of been from my little April fools joke :D --Kooks 16:56, 11 October 2008 (BST)

I thought the "Kristi is a dude" was a well known and overused DEM joke, just like Red Rum/DEM puppet jokes. If you're going to use that as basis that we're a bunch of lairs, then you're rather petty. Also, for the record, you spelled lying wrong. xD --Kikashie ^{Read the Dispatch!} 19:56, 11 October 2008 (BST)

You meant to say a bunch of liars, right? :D -- Atticus Rex ^{mfu pif} Δ 20:03, 11 October 2008 (BST)

I wonder where Scouter got the idea I was a guy. From me and Kikashie. Met Fan 20:06, 11 October 2008 (BST)

So just as I thought a bunch douche bags are lying about me. Good thing I know where to find them all since you've been good enough to stay on the MU forums.--Kristi of the Dead 21:16, 13 October 2008 (BST)

Can I say tranny on the UD wiki without being b7'd? Because I just did.--N00bert ^foxhound 20:20, 11 October 2008 (BST)

Oh noobert you can say anything you want on the wiki. I can say go fuck yourself and you can go hang out with that "group" of yours fuckshound all day and think up all sorts of funny stuff to talk about. Nobody will care but still feel free--Kristi of the Dead 21:13, 13 October 2008 (BST)

Touche. :O --Kikashie ^{Read the Dispatch!} 20:31, 11 October 2008 (BST)

The fact that you're a bunch of pussy liars has nothing to do with anything. Just pointing it out is all. The fact that you sucked that information out of secrusses dick does.--Kristi of the Dead 21:10, 13 October 2008 (BST)

When the majority of comments from NON-uprising folks have tended to involve exquisite, thoughtful, argumentative eloquence like this, I really don't think you can blame us for not taking this page seriously, and just giving up and letting the trolls have their way with it. I also thought the "Kristi is a guy" thing was a pretty common rumor-joke, up there with DEM pancakes, but whatever.

But, hey. If you're going to tell us what we're saying on our own boards, I thought I might as well take a gander. So here's the opinions I found posted on the Uprising boards about Kristi, collected from assorted scattered threads:

• Kristi's a he. (Other people: no, she's a she)
• Kristi's bi-polar (Other people: I wouldn't doubt it)
• Kristi's a bitch.
• Kristi's a sucky diplomat. (Other people: Here, here!)
• Sometimes she's pretty cool, doesn't take herself too seriously, types well...but other times she utterly flips out and tyeps liek this.
• Kristi is a very stubborn individual. (Other people: to put it mildly)
• Kristi picked the wrong fight when she started attacking the Knights.
• Kristi seems to actually want reform in the DEM. (other people: dude, we didn't see any changes for six months)
• Kristi's stonewalling changes because she doesn't want to see Alphy and Secruss get ANY credit for any reform in the DEM ever in ANY even tangential way.
• Kristi thinks that because a group became big, they are better qualified to judge the way people play the game. (Unless they're zombies).
• Telling Kristi to change her operations is like telling God to change the shape of Asia because he made most of it too far from the Ocean.
• Kristi seems to have forgotten that people were complaining about various DEM policies long before the Uprising. (Or the GN, for that matter).
• "A Lost Cause; Irrepairable; Unenlightenable"
• "I bet I'd be banned from Brainstock if I asked Kristi to cook my dinner." (In response to this broadcast by Gerald Thompson (MFD): "We keep the Zombie population in check. We cook your meals we haul your trash we connect your calls. We drive your ambulances. We guard you while you sleep.")

Secruss posted none of the above in any of those threads. And Scouter isn't even a member of the Uprising forums, far as I know. --Jen 00:21, 14 October 2008 (BST)

Simply put I don't really believe anything any of you have to say on any subject. And just to make a point Kikiashie has a membership on the MU forums right? Didn't mr scouter just say it was Kikashie and met that told him? But I'm sure you'll have some excuse on how the uprising isn't in fact full of shitheels and you're all just having alot of fun. And I know you're making shit up Jen or perhaps you couldn't find anything else but you lot have members that have said worse than what you posted above to me on brainstock so seriously drop the we're not assholes line cause most people know it's not true. And the reason you get responses like this is the people you've allowed in your uprising.--Kristi of the Dead 00:37, 14 October 2008 (BST)

*shrug* There's assholes involved in this, and there's non-assholes involved in it. There's people with diplomatic skillz, and people who couldn't diplomat the broad side of barn.

As far as I know, Kikashie may said you were a guy in the same way that I go around saying Red Rum is a DEM pancake. I don't have the PMs, I don't know the context. Brainstock everyone can look at. Heck, I'll go look through threads there next (but good lord, there's a lot of them). If I remember correctly, though, you accused us, the other day, of saying horrible nasty stuff about you on our forums behind your back...so I went and looked. The "search" function doesn't work, and google wasn't cacheing old uprising pages today, so I had to do it manually. Maybe I missed the most egregious threads (though did think I covered all the bases, and I think the bitch and bipolar comments are pretty darn nasty). If you have google caches or something of other comments, I'd like to see them. If you want the NASTY comments, they're the ones about Sonny. Or about the DEM as a whole. But those don't go unchallenged, any more than the "Kristi is a guy" went unchallenged.

And...because someone is an asshole, that gives you every right to troll them, and everyone and everything they're ever associated with? --Jen 01:03, 14 October 2008 (BST)

Edit: More threads.

• Kristi isn't good at keeping alt information separate. (I think that could count as a nasty thing).
• When it comes to not changing anything until the Uprising disbands, Krisit is "not going to be talked down from that position. We could try for a hundred years, kow-tow to her and spit-shine her shoes, but unless the Uprising disbands, she'll listen to nothing we say." (Which...err...I think is something you'd agree with, no?)
• If the Uprising disbands, Kristi will invalidate each individual group's opinions on the grounds that they're 'not big enough' to be trusted.
• Kristi has stated and shown time and time again that she only trusts the opinions of groups which rival the DEM in size. --Jen 01:11, 14 October 2008 (BST)

I suppose the key thing here is that I didn't just say the MU forums. I said MU members it could happen on the MU forums or not. None the less it does happen and it's said not in the DEM pancake way you're trying to say it is but as an insult to me personally. You know this to be true, I know it to be true, anyone that has had anything to do with alot of the groups in the uprising knows it to be true. A fact amplified by the fact that your MU membership includes some of the groups it includes and the demands you make are so disjointed as to be unusable. The simple fact is that most of you guys like to grief others. (to be honest I'm surprised you're a member of the CGR Jen because as it stands you're the most reasonable person they've got in membership that I've ever met). A fact evidenced by your actions with AH and such. And it's laughable that the lot of you would come to the DEM complaining about us being bad for the game while at the same time making the sort of drooling slack jawed comments that are so common on this talk page, combined with the awesome targeting of new players and players you yourself have said you have no problem with. In truth it's my thought that the people on this talk page and the people who have pushed the MU the most on the wiki are in fact an excellent representation of what the Uprising is all about. For you Jen that may not be the case...but the vast majority of the MU membership falls under that heading. I mean it's been a month now and the most important thing you've done (or at least the thing you've spent the most energy on) is the big list of kills by the uprising. If you're not about griefing others and bragging about it why even keep a list? I mean I notice you guys continue to add to it all the time. But the last discussion on brainstock from you guys regarding your "demands" was some time ago. And ya know what? It doesn't even have to be about me...it's the fact that you guys sit and do it at all about anyone that's lame.--Kristi of the Dead 02:08, 14 October 2008 (BST)

I really hate to say this here. But could you be a bit more civil. It might be a new concept to some of you, but things tend to get done quicker. So please tone down the rhetoric and confront each individual person/group as you make whatever claims.--Janine 02:37, 14 October 2008 (BST)

Quote: "Secruss posted none of the above in any of those threads. And Scouter isn't even a member of the Uprising forums, far as I know. --Jen 00:21, 14 October 2008 (BST)

Oh Jen, I'm quite the sneaky bastard! You don't know much, thats for sure....wanna hang out anyway? Oh yeah, and I really want to kill KristiOTD ingame before I leave this world, thats my biggest wish. --ScouterTX 22:54, 14 October 2008 (BST)

1. Gerald Thompson broadcast "Attention Malton Uprising, continue attacking DEM members" from here, on 27.50 MHz. (3 hours and 52 minutes ago)
2. Gerald Thompson broadcast "And you may find yourselves without a great majority of" from here, on 27.50 MHz. (3 hours and 51 minutes ago)
3. Gerald Thompson broadcast "survivors. We keep the Zombie population in check." from here, on 27.50 MHz. (3 hours and 51 minutes ago)
4. Gerald Thompson broadcast "We cook your meals we haul your trash we connect your calls" from here, on 27.50 MHz. (3 hours and 49 minutes ago)
5. Gerald Thompson broadcast "we drive your ambulances. We guard you while you sleep." from here, on 27.50 MHz. (3 hours and 49 minutes ago)
6. Gerald Thompson broadcast "Do not fuck with us." from here, on 27.50 MHz. (3 hours and 49 minutes ago)
   

Will you cook me a decent meal Kristi? --Met Fan ^F

I take it none of you have anything better to do? Gaiz, 'fuckshound' was so well thought out that I died for like 5 seconds because the burn was so bad. Also, the rest is tl;dr. I'm done here, bai. Forgot to add the signature shit, lawlawlawllawl *skeet* --N00bert ^foxhound 23:55, 14 October 2008 (BST)

In return for the unnecessary and childish shot at FOXHOUND, I offer you this unnecessary and childish shot at you: I looked up Kristi in the dictionary the other day, and here's what I found: Kristi (verb): A person who exhibits bi-polar tendencies, periodic spasms of terrible grammar and all around general rage, and is of questionable gender. See also; Bitch. --Kikashie ^{Read the Dispatch!} 02:41, 15 October 2008 (BST)

Look at that, I looked up "Bitch", and it just told me to See also:Kristi. Daw... --Met Fan ^F

Hey look it's uprising members being douche bags what shocker. Remember to wipe after you post guys otherwise you'll get chaffed.--Kristi of the Dead 17:14, 15 October 2008 (BST)

Hey look, its Kristi crying about trivial bullshit, what a shocker!--ScouterTX 17:45, 15 October 2008 (BST)

Isn't it funny how you guys start something and then via poorly typed responses, fifth grade insults and other douchebaggery attempt to blame it on Kristi or the DEM? Then the DEM just makes things worse by posting in this flame fest. Why don't we all just get along for God's sake?! Let the DEM do what they want, and you guys do what you want! Remember, its a fucking GAME!--SirArgo ^Talk 18:05, 15 October 2008 (BST)

Too true SirArgo sometimes I just can't help trolling the stubs. Like saying the only thing trivial about scouterTX is his group...and stuff like that. I guess since you called me on it I should stop now.--Kristi of the Dead 19:48, 15 October 2008 (BST)

At least WE don't cheat. OH SNAP.--ScouterTX 20:24, 15 October 2008 (BST)

you guys don't do anything really.--Kristi of the Dead 20:36, 15 October 2008 (BST)

Oh, we're quite good at killing your goons! Are we still friends? Can I buy you dinner sometime? Flowers?--ScouterTX 20:39, 15 October 2008 (BST)

You never killed me, but I would like some dinner. :) --William Told 00:59, 16 October 2008 (BST)

I'm sorry, I wish we could start all over again...where did it all go wrong? ;_; --ScouterTX 21:02, 15 October 2008 (BST)

well to tell the truth you don't really kill our goons. That would be the pkgroups you hang out with. But it's nice you have a dream. And as far as being friends goes I'm pretty sure that couldn't have happened before the uprising anyway. Seeing as you are the way you are and we don't really like people like you.--Kristi of the Dead 21:09, 15 October 2008 (BST)

Sorry...I never respond to this in time because i have FUGGING LIFE. --Met Fan ^F

Sorry helping mom do the dishes is not a FUGGING LIFE MAKE--Kristi of the Dead 00:06, 16 October 2008 (BST)

Is too. =( -- Cheese 00:08, 16 October 2008 (BST)

maybe you're right ;)--Kristi of the Dead 00:41, 16 October 2008 (BST)

Kristi, I'll do the dishes for you as long as you cook me dinner. --Met Fan ^F

sure thing...how do you like your balls cooked?--Kristi of the Dead 00:41, 16 October 2008 (BST)

Ok, this is getting stupid and childish. I'm leaving now, feel free to mess up my talk page if you want. Skeet skeet mo' fo'. --Met Fan ^F

Wow. When Kristi enters a discussion about "Bad Representation" she does not mess about. Talk about Reppin' it Bad. Out of 12 posts, 8 contained insulting personal attacks upon members of the Uprising, and only 3 of those could be seen as provoked in any way (and only 2 of them can be argued as clear provocation). 6 of them contained explicit material in the insults, and 2 of the non-insulting posts were centered around accusations of MU members slandering her on MU forums. Forums which, interestingly, she has no access to. And Google Cache doesn't show any of these remarks, either.

Might I say that though Jen quoted most (if not all) of the conclusions which have been made about Kristi on a private forum, none of those things were intended by their authors to be said to her face. Because it would not have been very polite for us to tell her all that, now would it have? We try to represent ourselves better than that. It's far more polite for us to just kill Kristi in-game. It's the difference between saying: "That chick is hot!" quietly to a friend, rather than something as crude as, say, grabbing her buttocks and leering.

And remember, Praise Knowledge! --DT^PK 18:42, 17 October 2008 (BST)

Hey DT how about you come back when the PK knights don't have a personal insult on their wiki page about the DEM being stupid. I mean after all you complaining about me insulting you sounds a little hollow coming from the insult kings known as the PK knights. I mean seriously you sound like a hypocrite.--Kristi of the Dead 07:21, 19 October 2008 (BST)

Shit Kristi, you didn't tell me we were crashin' this party again.

In any case, as far as bad representation goes, I think the MU should probably consider a few of the following;

1. Stop saying that the MU isn't all about PKing when only 29 out of >331 (Plus the 80% of groups that don't publically release membership numbers) are listed as nonviolent supports. That figures out to only 1 in 11 MU members not PKing, even worse than GIB
2. Remove Graviel and Kikashie from public. Seriously. They are worse at PR than myself and a drunken monkey with a telephone combined.
3. Kill me at least once. I've been waiting around since like, August, and I'm starting to feel a bit left out.
4. Stop harping on about how you've liberated suburbs the DEM has never been in.

And bring back Secruss. He makes me laugh.--Labine50 ^{MEMS | MHG} 00:28, 18 October 2008 (BST)

She broke my heart....CRAWWWWLING IN MYYY SKIIIN....lol.--ScouterTX 18:41, 18 October 2008 (BST)

Might I say that though Jen quoted most (if not all) of the conclusions which have been made about Kristi on a private forum, none of those things were intended by their authors to be said to her face. Because it would not have been very polite for us to tell her all that, now would it have? How about coming to the equally logical conclusion that making some of these statements at all is out of line? And personally, I make it a practice not to say anything about a person if I'm not willing to say it to their face. But then I'm a grown-up. -- Atticus Rex ^{mfu pif} Δ 19:15, 18 October 2008 (BST)

You see, that's why people on the wiki don't listen to you, Atticus; you're too mature. You're all like, "Let's act like reasonable adults," and they're like, "I don't have to listen to you! You're not my father!" and you're like, "I never said I was!" and they're like, "Well you sure act like it!" and you're like, "Do you think this is easy? I'm trying the best I can!" and then they go sulk in their room upstairs until later in the movie after they've had eye-opening experiences and forgive you and start making the best of the situation. --William Told 21:39, 18 October 2008 (BST)

Oh shnap! Usually I wouldn't post in this sort of situation but damn William, that was one hell of a comeback!! Virtual high five right there! Though it seems a shame that you wasted such creativity on this page of all pages...--SirArgo ^Talk 06:46, 19 October 2008 (BST)

Have you voted on his rather brilliant crucifix suggestion yet? ;) His creativity overflows! He can afford to squander part of it on this page of all pages! --Jen 06:51, 19 October 2008 (BST)

Oh double shnap! Looks like I need to lurk moar on the Suggestions pages! He had better share some of that creativity or I'm going to crush his skull in with a cinder block shake his hand firmly...--SirArgo ^Talk 06:54, 19 October 2008 (BST)

Balls. Mikhos 15:48, 19 October 2008 (BST)

Aww, shucks. --William Told 18:02, 19 October 2008 (BST)

Group?

So are we really a group now or what? I guess that means the DEM doesn't give a shit about the manifesto...--ScouterTX 23:13, 17 September 2008 (BST)

I rather fail to see how those two comments are related. In either case...no, we're not a group, but if a DEM member wants to list us as a notable presence in a suburb, I'm not going to object. I think the closest thing we could be compared to is an event like the Big Bash. And BB2 was listed as a group in various suburbs (from what I could tell, when I went looking and asked people), so something like ourselves being listed is not without precedent. As to the second part -- maybe you should start following events a bit more closely? --Jen 02:04, 19 September 2008 (BST)

Well excuuuuuuuuuuse me princess for having a real life outside of this little game...durrrr. --ScouterTX 23:25, 19 September 2008 (BST)

join?

group hitman wuld like to join. did some stuff for the DEM don't like them that much. It was the team zombie hardcore job...one of our best. Right now we are growing and branching out. a pro survivor movment in East gratside also in lockketside protecting St. Alexander's hospital. Some other things going on are mre private.

Haha, I remember you guys: Total retards. --ScouterTX 22:51, 16 September 2008 (BST)

I wish your 'movment' was in a real suburb, Hitman. Or is that your group name? You did things for the DEM but you don't like them? That's got to breed some sort of resentment, eh? I suggest laying down and talking about it with someone close to you, and then decide what would be your best interest. -Dr. Trust M.D.

Didn't the hitmen kill TZH for DORIS? Or is this a DORIS = DEM pancake thing again? --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 00:44, 17 September 2008 (BST)

The DEM has a standing policy against hiring hitmen after Ferrum Leo's little incident back in Dec. '06. If I had to guess I'd say it's either "OMFG DEM PANCAKE" stuff again or Sgt. Steve.

P.S., I've got Spore. <3--Labine50 ^{MEMS | MHG} 02:32, 17 September 2008 (BST)

And if we were gonna hire hitmen, wouldn't we want to, y'know, hire real ones? -- Atticus Rex ^{mfu pif} Δ 02:41, 17 September 2008 (BST)

Labine, please tell me Spore is as awesome as I hope it is. If it isn't, I will cry.--William Told 03:19, 19 September 2008 (BST)

It's pretty nifty.--Labine50 ^{MEMS | MHG} 01:40, 20 September 2008 (BST)

Spore is freaking amazing.</end useless comment> LemonHead7t7 *̡͌l̡*̡̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡̡|͡|̲̲̲͡͡͡ ̲▫̲͡ ̲̲̲͡͡π̲̲͡͡ ̲̲͡▫̲̲͡͡ ̲|]]| ̡̡̡ ̡ ̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡*̡͌l̡* ^{Talk/PDA/Red Rum/MOB} 04:17, 20 September 2008 (BST)

lolindeed. _■^■ 04:38, 20 September 2008 (BST)

Great Job

While you all are wasting your time killing survivors who are only protecting other survivors, Dulston is in zombie hands.

Thanks for all your hard work! What would we do without you? LemonHead7t7 *̡͌l̡*̡̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡̡|͡|̲̲̲͡͡͡ ̲▫̲͡ ̲̲̲͡͡π̲̲͡͡ ̲̲͡▫̲̲͡͡ ̲|]]| ̡̡̡ ̡ ̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡*̡͌l̡* ^{Talk/PDA/Red Rum/MOB} 01:17, 11 September 2008 (BST)

No Dulston would've fallen no matter how focused the defenders were. The zombies had a better plan, lower numbers,help from pkers/gkers and the coincidental mall rat apathy towards protecting the suburb. Now all that's left to do is never moving.--Janine 02:19, 11 September 2008 (BST)

Like I said, what would we do without you? LemonHead7t7 *̡͌l̡*̡̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡̡|͡|̲̲̲͡͡͡ ̲▫̲͡ ̲̲̲͡͡π̲̲͡͡ ̲̲͡▫̲̲͡͡ ̲|]]| ̡̡̡ ̡ ̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡*̡͌l̡* ^{Talk/PDA/Red Rum/MOB} 02:28, 11 September 2008 (BST)

Jack off all day. --Secruss^|Yak|Brahnz!|CGR|PKA||EMLN|Templates|RRF|RFTM|Crap|WHOZ||MU|GN|C2008||22:26, 11 September 2008 (BST)

In the hopes of a more accurate map.

I like using the tool provided on Rogue's Gallery to see where the DEM is absent. If you try to locate PKers with in n-number of blocks of location x and y, then you can see how many days it has been since a spotter went through the area. Example - Sir Fred of Etruria

That can work, but what if there's simply been no reported PKers in the area? --DT^PK 22:02, 6 September 2008 (BST)

Or DEMs who aren't running IMP? -- Atticus Rex ^{mfu pif} Δ 22:03, 6 September 2008 (BST)

Couldn't you just use some allies/supporters who are low on ammunition/FAKS go through the area and check the hot spots and declared head quarters? And if you wanted to find out if they were zombie or active you could steal their profiles off of the Brainstock recruitment area to check. --Janine 22:08, 6 September 2008 (BST)

Please Stop Talking

Don't most of you guys have to get back to trolling each other on Brainstock? I wished I had as much time and what appears to be either patience, or insulting disregard, for the repetitive arguments that do more to strengthen the points made by the badly worded Manifesto that is apparently being held-hostage. For the love of Sappho, please stop posting. When Secruss and Alphy start sounding reasonable and sober, it should tell you that it's just time to stop arguing and start violence.

Which is why I am suggesting that Secruss, Alphy, and Kikashie all fight Father Tom(?), Labine, and Kristi of the Dead to a Caged Death Match.--Janine 22:09, 5 September 2008 (BST)

Fuck you. I'm important too, you know. Put me in the ring with Garviel. I'll kick his miniature painting ass. --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 01:56, 6 September 2008 (BST)

You important? To who?--Janine 13:06, 6 September 2008 (BST)

I don't wanna be nobody's hero... --WanYao 17:25, 6 September 2008 (BST)

When Secruss and Alphy start sounding reasonable and sober, I'll be the first to let you know. So far all I've seen is a tempest in a teacup about the RG (which has about as much impact on PKers as the Toyota Prius had on global warming), and the DEM (which is so thinly spread it's got a lower population density than Antarctica). Even if DEM and the RG were bad for the game, dicking about with a retarded "Let's encourage butthurt players to PK and pretend that it's not PKing" campaign in green suburbs instead of actually doing something about zombies is worse. Turkmenbashi 13:46, 8 September 2008 (BST)

I see the light Turk! The DEM is not evil! It's just the internet! Morals don't exist on the internet! Holy shit! I've wasted so much time! I quit Urban Dead! I kill myself! I kill my cat! I kill my iguana! I kill my mold spores! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm4ohAcGJWg --Secruss^|Yak|Brahnz!|CGR|PKA||EMLN|Templates|RRF|RFTM|Crap|WHOZ||MU|GN|C2008||00:12, 11 September 2008 (BST)

Spore? Who has Spore? I'm jealous... --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 00:29, 11 September 2008 (BST)

I so want that game. --Secruss^|Yak|Brahnz!|CGR|PKA||EMLN|Templates|RRF|RFTM|Crap|WHOZ||MU|GN|C2008||22:26, 11 September 2008 (BST)

You and me both. I'd give Labine's left testicle for it. --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 03:45, 12 September 2008 (BST)

PKing is only fun if people complain about it...like Turkmenbashi here. Anyway, Spore has Securom so I'm not going to get it. Toodles! --ScouterTX 20:11, 12 September 2008 (BST)

I did get the new /METALLICA\ CD. It's really good. --Secruss^|Yak|Brahnz!|CGR|PKA||EMLN|Templates|RRF|RFTM|Crap|WHOZ||MU|GN|C2008||18:26, 13 September 2008 (BST)

The Manifesto

Get an editor. I understand that you have a couple legitimate complaints about the DEM that I completely disagree with, but that's no excuse for that mangled piece of garbage you posted on both Brainstock and your own wiki page. Seriously, how can you describe yourself as the "silent majority" before stating that you have "no superiority in numbers" the very next sentence? Were you trying to make us laugh? If you want the DEM to take you seriously in any way, at least put forth some effort into your presentation. Let me guess, "We'll see how seriously you take us when we blah blah blah." I assure you, your little vendetta will not affect the DEM much at all, and you will be remembered for the abortion of the English language that you posted. Good day. --William Told 03:21, 1 September 2008 (BST)

I somewhat agree with this. Next time you guys want a Manifesto/Angry Letter/Whiny Rambling Lament just bring your grievances to me and I'll write it for you.--Janine 02:41, 2 September 2008 (BST)

Piss and whine. X[ --Secruss^|Yak|Brahnz!|CGR|PKA||EMLN|Templates|RRF|RFTM|Crap|WHOZ||MU|GN|C2008||00:12, 3 September 2008 (BST)

Let's see. Right now DEM is entertaining some dark plan within their "so-called" study group to alter the RG reports in a sad attempt to try and turn PKers against one another. We welcome this plan wholeheartedly and hope it passes. It's crap like this that has people fed up with you DEM scum. I've witnessed DEM bias all week from Kristi down to the mindless newbie noobs who try to act like they still have a brain cell in their heads with their ridiculous ideas. Kristi for that matter has done her best to bait me into flaming her in at least 3 threads this week. The DEM disgust me. --Headless gunner ^W! 08:02, 3 September 2008 (BST)

So you're just going to complain about it? When someone baits you, either bite the hook or bait them back. Get up and do something.--Janine 04:06, 4 September 2008 (BST)

Do something? Look what wiki page you're posting on.--Alphy 23:52, 4 September 2008 (BST)

I was referring to Headless Gunner up there. You know the guy whining about being baited on Brainstock.--Janine 00:48, 5 September 2008 (BST)

You fire your pistol at JustinSane80 for 5 damage. Their flak jacket absorbs 1 point of that damage. They die. --Secruss^|Yak|Brahnz!|CGR|PKA||EMLN|Templates|RRF|RFTM|Crap|WHOZ||MU|GN|C2008||01:26, 5 September 2008 (BST)

No, really, its BAD. At the very least, find out what "dissemble" means; its not the same as "disassemble".  Swiers 05:59, 5 September 2008 (BST)

Open Letter to all Editors

Keep right on editing this page.

You'll only make me laugh harder.--Labine50 ^{MEMS | MHG} 03:47, 1 September 2008 (BST)

lulz--William Told 04:22, 1 September 2008 (BST)

Sorry I can't do that and comply to your "ANNEDNUM".Also get your

spelling, comprehension and grammar right.--Forgotten86 ^MCDU:T 09:43, 1 September 2008 (BST)

Secruss, Alphy. Why did one of you post this on lobotomystock? Now you're only going to get the "we dun't du nutn" crowd.--Janine 02:52, 2 September 2008 (BST)

For the lulz. --Secruss^|Yak|Brahnz!|CGR|PKA||EMLN|Templates|RRF|RFTM|Crap|WHOZ||MU|GN|C2008||00:13, 3 September 2008 (BST)

Also, I'd like to clarify that I am neither Secruss nor Alphy. --Mr. Strange 22:19, 5 September 2008 (BST)

Mr. Strange is nowhere and everywhere. --Secruss^|Yak|Brahnz!|CGR|PKA||EMLN|Templates|RRF|RFTM|Crap|WHOZ||MU|GN|C2008||16:01, 6 September 2008 (BST)

Dulston, Liberated?

The entire northeast quarter of Dulston is permanently ruined. Up to a third of the suburb's buildings are ruined at any given time. What (if anything) has the Malton Uprising actually done to make Dulston a better place? Turkmenbashi 14:10, 1 September 2008 (BST)

The corners of the map are always ruined. Miltown. New Arkham. All of the extinction zone. They don't get no flow of survivor traffic. You should know this. --Secruss^|Yak|Brahnz!|CGR|PKA||EMLN|Templates|RRF|RFTM|Crap|WHOZ||MU|GN|C2008||16:09, 1 September 2008 (BST)

Pfft. I'm in the NW corner right now, and there's plenty of traffic.--Helgi Hundingsbane 19:34, 1 September 2008 (BST)

I don't even think you play this game, Secruss. FYI, very commonly New Arkham is doing quite alright. Same goes for Miltown, in fact it's usually quite safe. And the only reason Daker is ruined most of the time (though some folk are up there right now changing that...) is because... well... we know why... As for Dulston, I'd say that a lot of it has been liberated from the clutches of a truly tyrannical, arrogant and power hungry organisation, GRAAAAAAGH!!! --WanYao 19:49, 1 September 2008 (BST)

New Arkham isn't full of zombies because nobody lives there for zombies to eat. New Arkham is like the Wyoming of Malton. Lowest population, lowest interest, piece of crap. --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 19:52, 1 September 2008 (BST)

New Arkham rawks. You need to get away from the malls, Sonny... far, far away from them... they make you soft and weak... You've forgotten the meaning of BARHAH!... Even survivors can know Barhah, it's rare, but it happens. It's not too late, even for you, who once knew Barhah. And the best place to relearn these things is a suburb 1/2 a day from a mall, with no Police Departments. --WanYao 20:12, 1 September 2008 (BST)

I haven't felt Barhah since we overthrew Caiger Mall and occupied it as Barhah Mall. Since then Barhah slowly died in me. Now I feel the love of Pluto. And I am not a Mallrat. It's just that New Arkham has a population of 5. All of them are passing through. --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 20:20, 1 September 2008 (BST)

Are any of you actually DOWN there in New Arkham right now? It's doing all right. My alt went down there to try to do some crazy-repair-revive stuff, and found it a mostly-repaired and decently populated place. --Jen 21:24, 1 September 2008 (BST)

No, Jen... Because PKers like Sonny and Secruss only hang around suburbs with malls and forts closeby... the flipside of the mallrat coin, you know... i.e., trenchcoaters. I'd LOVE to see them ply their "trade" in New Arkham... But it won't happen. EVAR. Because the closest these types come to being badass is by being full of poop... --WanYao 01:32, 2 September 2008 (BST)

I agree with Sonny, for once. The Wyoming part. --Secruss^|Yak|Brahnz!|CGR|PKA||EMLN|Templates|RRF|RFTM|Crap|WHOZ||MU|GN|C2008||00:44, 2 September 2008 (BST)

I'm not in Mall suburbs. Gibsonton don't have a Mall. And I'm not in New Arkham because nobody lives there. And you proved my point of the only people who do go there only pass through. --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 01:34, 2 September 2008 (BST)

Like I said, you only hang out in suburbs with malls nearby... Gibsontown is smack in the middle of THREE of the most populous and safest malls in the game... Also, if you ever got over your fear of zombies and dependance on powered mall-level search rates long enough to visit New Arkham, you'd see how wrong you are about no one living there. But, it'll NEVAR happen. --WanYao 01:41, 2 September 2008 (BST)

There are two malls within easy traveling distance of New Arkham. There are few suburbs in Malton where a mall isn't nearby to gather supplies from, so your argument is 80% bull, Wan. While it's true that some people are mallrats and just spend all their time in the malls, it's damn near impossible to stay in a suburb that's not within 2 - 3 suburbs of at least one mall. I agree with Sonny and Secruss. New Arkham is just boring as shit. -Russell Oakley 08:13, 2 September 2008 (BST)

Agreed. It is pretty horrendously boring. Some crazy group needs to get together and go spice things up down there. --Jen 21:30, 2 September 2008 (BST)

Always ruined? The fine upstanding folks of the Dulston Alliance might be a tad surprised to find out that you think their suburb is "always ruined". I mean hell, we're talking the suburb that's been nicknamed "Dullston" here. We're talking the first suburb that gets mentioned in any conversation about survivors sleeping ourdoors, and any conversation about survivor groups who can't organise their way out of a wet paper bag when there's a challenge because there's so rarely been a challenge. Meanwhile, you're calling Dulston "liberated" when a third of it is in ruins and there's not even a major horde there. Tell us again how the Malton Uprising is gonna make things better? Turkmenbashi 11:19, 2 September 2008 (BST)

By making a friggin sweet wiki page for it. Duh. --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 19:23, 2 September 2008 (BST)

Masturbation^. There are children present, you guys.--Alphy 20:50, 2 September 2008 (BST)

Where is the argument going, again? --Secruss^|Yak|Brahnz!|CGR|PKA||EMLN|Templates|RRF|RFTM|Crap|WHOZ||MU|GN|C2008||00:14, 3 September 2008 (BST)

Going down the direction of Sweetsville. Next stop, Awesometown. --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 00:24, 3 September 2008 (BST)

Masturbation's as good a word as any. You've just listed a bunch of suburbs that the DEM aren't active in and declared that you've "liberated" them. What next? Gonna make an anti-RRF group and declare that you've just liberated New Arkham? And meanwhile the question still stands: what (if any) improvements should we expect to see in the suburbs that you've "liberated"? What in-game effect is this ever going to have? Turkmenbashi 05:18, 3 September 2008 (BST)

*sigh* Some of those questions still stand because I at least didn't think them worth the effort to bother responding to yesterday. But if you're going to keep harping on that note:

• The DEM currently claims to be active in nearly all of those suburbs. If they are not actually active there (or are active with a grand total of two members), perhaps they should stop claiming to be a presence in the area. If you note Ye Olde Liberated Manifesto, that IS one of the demands. Moreover -- if, instead of relying on the unreliable wiki, one goes with the "actually, we're pretty much everywhere, because of our mobile units" response I received from Father Thompson a couple weeks ago, I think we're justified in suspecting there's probably DEM in Dulston, Pescodside, Roftwood, East Grayside, and Penny Heights as well. In fact, we know there's DEM operating in at least two of those five suburbs, because we just killed a couple of them.

• DEM presence (or lack of it?) was only one of the criteria used to select Uprising suburbs. If the only requirement for declaring a place "liberated" or "contested" was "no DEM presense," there's quite a few more places that could be added to the list. But unlike the DEM, we're not claiming to be a presence in places where we're doing next to nothing.

• There's some serious answers to the "how does the Uprising hope to positively impact Malton, and those suburbs in particular," question -- and the question's a valid one, and one I've asked them myself. But, honestly, I don't think you'd care to hear us out, and even if you did, a DRAMA-laden talk page would be the last place I'd care to discuss the matter. --Jen 18:18, 3 September 2008 (BST)

No, feel free to actually answer the question if you feel like it. What will declaring independence from DEM achieve? And more importantly, what will declaring independence and shooting DEM members achieve? I should stress at this point that I've never been part of a DEM group or even worked alongside a DEM group (I'm almost always working with PKer or zombie groups, so I haven't worked with survivor groups much at all). But I'm curious, how will encouraging people to PK members of a group that doesn't take any action at all against other survivor groups help the survivor cause? And more immediately, what is the Malton Uprising doing to beat zombies? Basically, what is it doing other than trying to encourage everyone to be PKers without having to admit that they're PKers? Turkmenbashi 10:34, 4 September 2008 (BST)

New Arkham is no more "boring" than any other suburb. In fact, its paucity of normal TRPs makes it that much more interesting. To me, anyway. And, of course Tompson Mall is about 20-30 ap away ... A half day's journey, like I said. See, I used to play down there. All the time. And I found that the mall runs were not worth it, except once in a while... Waste of AP much of the time. Anyhoooo... You people can call my arguments 80% bullshit, etc. etc. all you want. I really don't care. I prefer playing in the "rough", out of the way places... Where it's not about green suburb wankery, which is really what most of the posturing and PKer wars, and all that crap you see in highly populated places, is. That includes people like DORIS, the DA, all of you. I like to play in places like NewArk and the NW corner to avoid that bullshit. Think what you may of me, call me whatever names you want... It's exactly the game I don't wanna play... Goodnight. And que sera, sera, little gurlz. Because what is boring is this... green suburb, e-peen wankery... Nope. You will not be famous... Sorry. --WanYao 05:46, 3 September 2008 (BST)

Eh...I find any suburbs without quirky groups in them to be rather boring. I haven't run into any organized groups in New Arkham yet, just unaffiliated survivors. I'd find the NW to be a bit boring, too, if I wasn't working with some other folks up there. --Jen 17:07, 3 September 2008 (BST)

The Necronauts are spiffy. But small. So are the Legionaires of the Octopope, though they tend to be more in Foulkes... Now, I will admit that Old Arkham is boring: I was a member of ROAR for a long time ... and ... Uh ... yeah ... boring. :| However, honestly, I find most "PK wars" to be even more boring... But, whatever, I really don't wanna deal with this page any more. Peace! --WanYao 17:31, 3 September 2008 (BST)

Funny how our "PK War" is so boring, but you've chosen to repeatedly post on this discussion page. Apparently it holds some spam-flavored interest in your heart. -Russell Oakley 21:00, 3 September 2008 (BST)

I'll give you a little Protip. Arguing with Wan Yao about his brainstock friends, position in game, or anything spam related is like punching a brick wall. Sure eventually the wall will break, but you'll break a lot sooner.--Janine 04:09, 4 September 2008 (BST)

I one of his brainstock friends but I disagree with him. --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 04:14, 4 September 2008 (BST)

Dude, I've been to boring suburbs and New Arkham is the worst. DORIS started in Griggs Heights for christ's sake. That suburb is so boring that we wiped out all the survivors and they had no one to help them out except the zombies. That's how bad it was. --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 22:32, 3 September 2008 (BST)

I would just like to point out that people care less about what Wan, Sonny and Turk say then they do about what I say now. Victory is mine. Now watch as the Uprising changes malton for the better because of it. Mwahahahahaha--Alphy 23:54, 4 September 2008 (BST)

People care what I say... --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 23:57, 4 September 2008 (BST)

Sonny > Alpharius. Though I do owe Alphy 5 bucks since he created another shitstorm on Brainstock.--Labine50 ^{MEMS | MHG} 01:19, 5 September 2008 (BST)

This bears repeating here: I don't wanna be nobody's hero... But Alphy seems to have something to prove... Amusing. Oh... and neither Sonny nor Turkey -- nor anyone on Brainstock, where I don't post anymore anyway -- are my "friends"... Sonny is a vague "acquaintance" on IRC, and Turkey I barely know. Anyhoooo... have fun with this flash in the pan, kids... --WanYao 17:35, 6 September 2008 (BST)

I've proved everything I actually set out to prove. Enjoy the rest of the apocalypse.--Alphy 23:17, 6 September 2008 (BST)

This is Worthless...

What do you think killing a bunch of DEM members and putting up anti-DEM propaganda will solve? Do you really think the DEM is going to disband because a few of the members get killed? I've been killed loads of times, and guess what I do? I get back up, get revived, and get back to my work.--SirArgo ^Talk 20:57, 26 August 2008 (BST)

What do you think killing a bunch of CGR comrades and putting up anti-rebel propaganda will solve? Do you really think the CGR is going to disband because a few of our comrades get killed? I've been BHed loads of times, and guess what I do? I get back up, get revived, and get back to killing DEM members. --Secruss^|Yak|Brahnz!|CGR|PKA||EMLN|Templates|RRF|RFTM|Crap|WHOZ||MU|GN|C2008||22:09, 26 August 2008 (BST)

i loled --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 22:16, 26 August 2008 (BST)

Ditto. :) (err...to both the lol and the sentiment) --Jen 22:41, 26 August 2008 (BST)

Did I say you had to disband? No! I don't care if you have a group who hates the DEM and tries to kill us at every turn, you have every right to hate whoever you want. I just don't see why you have to create huge "uprising" to destroy the DEM, when you know it won't do anything. I think you just enjoy huge group warfare and don't give a damn about the survivors struggle at all. Just my opinion, I brace for the flaming...--SirArgo ^Talk 05:40, 27 August 2008 (BST)

You can think whatever the hell you want, but just wait till the Uprising comes to judge it. --Alphy 15:53, 27 August 2008 (BST)

What's to judge? MANL's just another small, forgettable PK group in a game with dozens of small, forgettable PK groups. If you bag two DEM members each on 9/9 you might crack a double-digit tally for the day. If anyone outside MANL is actually interested in being part of this (which I doubt), you might get a dozen or so people scattered across the city randomly killing DEM members. That's not gonna be noticed against the background noise of zombie break-ins, bounties, and regular PKs that go on every single day. This is going to be a "succesful" anti-DEM operation in the same way the Gibsonton Nationals were. Turkmenbashi 16:17, 27 August 2008 (BST)

Turkmenbashi you underestimate the amount of players that will join in but you are right in the fact that the DEM will not be destroyed by such an uprising. This is why i am suggesting that everyone involved with the uprising converge to one suburb and complely rid it of the DEM members within its borders. We can then hold onto the suburb from counterattacks by the DEM which will certainly come. In this way we can truly start to destroy the DEM. The only problem is deciding upon the suburb to converge. Brian Vesty 17:18, 27 August 2008 (BST)

That probably won't work either. First thing; 100 suburbs, they can simply relocate temporarily (if they even notice). Second: Why would they counter-attack, they'll just let bounty hunters take care of that. Yes, if you wipe out all DEM members in an area you might avoid the fact that it goes entirely unnoticed as Turk points out. But in all likelihood the DEM won't really register any attack as anything more than a regular day at the office. - User:Whitehouse 17:25, 27 August 2008 (BST)

Do you have to bold at least one sentence in everything you write?--Labine50 ^{MEMS | MHG} 20:57, 27 August 2008 (BST)

So this is, what, the Big Bash for PKers specifically geared against members of the DEM? You'd have better directed your energies creating positive propaganda for other existant groups. Or for a more organized effort, try tying multiple groups that already target the DEM (for whatever reason). This all stems from this image. "If you're not with us, you're dead" isn't exactly the message you want to send to players. Pakopako 18:35, 27 August 2008 (BST)

tl;dr It's a picture of |police brutality]. You know. Like the LAPD is sometimes accused of? And it reads: "You're either with us or you're DEM" (not dead) for reference. --Secruss^|Yak|Brahnz!|CGR|PKA||EMLN|Templates|RRF|RFTM|Crap|WHOZ||MU|GN|C2008||20:33, 27 August 2008 (BST)

It should have been "You're either with us or you're with DEM", because then it would sound like "With them" and people might think you are clever or something.--Labine50 ^{MEMS | MHG} 20:57, 27 August 2008 (BST)

Couldn't see the image while I was typing and for some reason you omitted the "with" while explaining your cleverness to Pako.--Labine50 ^{MEMS | MHG} 21:00, 27 August 2008 (BST)

How does posting those pictures prove a damn thing about the DEM? They are just random scenes of real life killings and cruelties with poorly pasted anti-DEM slogans on them. I thought the uprising was against the DEM's supposed propaganda postings, and yet you put shit like that up! This whole event is one giant hypocritical morons club!--SirArgo ^Talk 21:13, 27 August 2008 (BST)

That's advertising in a nutshell Sir. Labine, I was more concerned with players who are not actively against the DEM. It is one thing to instigate doubt against someone else, it is another to prove your point. Pakopako 04:06, 28 August 2008 (BST)

No, advertising in a nutshell is the art of selling a concept to people. The only concept the Malton Uprising images are selling is that the Uprising is ran by fourteen year old boys who think UD is Serious Business. And while you're pushing that message pretty well, I'm not sure it's what I'd call a brilliant advertising strategy. Turkmenbashi 07:35, 28 August 2008 (BST)

Then you should upload over my pictures or complain loudly like Sonny used to and get them removed. --Secruss^|Yak|Brahnz!|CGR|PKA||EMLN|Templates|RRF|RFTM|Crap|WHOZ||MU|GN|C2008||21:21, 27 August 2008 (BST)

Thank you for proving you are a troll, here to just fight. You really don't give a care about the survivor cause.--SirArgo ^Talk 21:22, 27 August 2008 (BST)

http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Malton_Uprising#Instructions

I didn't even mention DEM propoganda. I mentioned sprays. --Secruss^|Yak|Brahnz!|CGR|PKA||EMLN|Templates|RRF|RFTM|Crap|WHOZ||MU|GN|C2008||21:25, 27 August 2008 (BST)

Crusade '08 I'm already preparing my next project after the DEM is finally dead. It's open invitation. --Secruss^|Yak|Brahnz!|CGR|PKA||EMLN|Templates|RRF|RFTM|Crap|WHOZ||MU|GN|C2008||21:27, 27 August 2008 (BST)

Just tell me how posting those pictures helps out your cause? It only makes you guys look bad!--SirArgo ^Talk 21:33, 27 August 2008 (BST)

A: It doesn't help. LISTEN TO THE MAN!

Also, Paokopako has a point about the "you're either with us or you're with DEM" poster. Doesn't matter if it says "death" or not, because that's what it still implies. It's saying "you're either with us, or our enemy." And that's utter BS, not to mention one of those same false dichotomies you're supposedly opposing. (Or something like that). People could legitimately hate both you folks AND the DEM, you know. *rolls eyes* The inherent contradiction ain't worth the amusement of the DEM/"them" similarity. --Jen 21:46, 27 August 2008 (BST)

So the reason for him putting those pictures up is that, as I have stated before and you kinda stated now (I hope I didn't misunderstand you. I don't want to put words in your mouth) is that he doesn't really care about survivors in general. That makes me think he just hates them DEM for some reason and this whole thing is just a personal vendetta that he is trying to attract recruits for so he can carry it out.--SirArgo ^Talk 21:49, 27 August 2008 (BST)

I don't presume to judge motives here, only tactics. He may just have a grudge against the DEM, or he may indeed think that destroying the DEM will somehow lead to a better Malton for all survivors. Maybe both. But in either case, if one DOES desire to turn folks against the DEM, I don't think those particular posters are a smart way to do it. At all. --Jen 22:30, 27 August 2008 (BST)

Thanks Jen. Pakopako 04:18, 28 August 2008 (BST)

Then the original purpose of the piece was lost on the reader. And we do have a bunch others to look at...

"Everyone is entitled to their own interpretation of art." -Paraphrased from Dee Snider

The piece symbolizes that you're either the opressor or the opressed.

This piece symbolizes the blinding suffering of the victims of the DEM and the mind numbing cruelty of the opressors.

--Secruss^|Yak|Brahnz!|CGR|PKA||EMLN|Templates|RRF|RFTM|Crap|WHOZ||MU|GN|C2008||02:13, 28 August 2008 (BST)

I thought it was a mexican baby. Oops. Anyway, as long as the malton uprising says "our goal is to kill dem" then they can't fail. It's the same tactic that the DA used in Gibsonton. "As long as you're vague and show no opening for losses then you automatically win." Of course no one else will listen. But cheers --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 02:37, 28 August 2008 (BST)

I'm pretty sure that was the same tactic everyone used in Gibsonton. But seriously, if you guys think we're evil, or pathetic, or whatever the hell else you think we are for doing this, look at what your doing! You're defending a friggin internet games establishment! Do you have nothing else better to do then fight over whether us making posters was a good idea? Don't some of you belong to other groups, who supposedly "Care about the survivor cause"? Isn't Turk just a douche? Does anyone else agree with me here? And since when is Sonny not abusive, overly? You guys are all losing your touch. Malton is decaying from the inside (or outside, however you look at it), and you sitting in your buildings and doing the same thing over and over again isn't helping the survivor cause at all anymore. I wonder how much more active groups will become after a massive pker war. I wonder if it's even possible for the zombies to win this game. It isn't. There is no survivor cause. Doesn't change sound more fun then just waiting for boredom to set in and kill us all anyway? Peace out bitches. Get ready for the ninth--Alphy 15:46, 28 August 2008 (BST)

No. I don't think you're evil. I think you're an angsty 14-16 yr old who lashes out at authority figures, wears Che t-shirts, and has watched Enemy At The Gates one too may times and has an homoerotic fascination with Socialism. Other than that, I don't agree with anything you just said. And I'm abusive when it is necessary, otherwise I'm an easy guy to get along with. I just ask that whatever you say makes sense and isn't completely fucking stupid. Like creating a "revolution" against the big bad DEM. That's fucking stupid because revolutions and Commie crap is played out and just stupid. And the DEM isn't big and bad. In my opinion they are a joke. They never have more than a couple of guys in a suburb and even then at the first sign of zombies they run away. The DEM is good for one reason, a lot of their high command runs brainstock and it gives me a place to troll freely. Other than that I wouldn't even bother with them. You and Secruss really need to give this shit a rest. Your "free the oppressed" shit isn't funny or motivating, it's downright childish and dumb. If you want to just be open and straightforward saying, "Look, I don't fucking like the DEM so we're going to grief the fucking shit out of them. You down?" I'll support that. But all this "viva la" whatever crap is fucked. Get a new schtick. --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 20:22, 29 August 2008 (BST)

--Secruss^|Yak|Brahnz!|CGR|PKA||EMLN|Templates|RRF|RFTM|Crap|WHOZ||MU|GN|C2008||04:05, 30 August 2008 (BST)

:'( y r u so meen? Anyway. Get fucking photoshop or gimp or something. Seriously, MSPaint... And Secruss, how old are you really? 14? --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 04:08, 30 August 2008 (BST)

WHAaaaaaaaaa D..X

--Secruss^|Yak|Brahnz!|CGR|PKA||EMLN|Templates|RRF|RFTM|Crap|WHOZ||MU|GN|C2008||23:09, 30 August 2008 (BST)

http://z14.invisionfree.com/Brainstock/index.php?showtopic=9974&hl= This made me laugh. I get killed every day. I got killed by Aiden earlier. (I probably deserved that one for trying to frame him, won't happen again.) --Secruss^|Yak|Brahnz!|CGR|PKA||EMLN|Templates|RRF|RFTM|Crap|WHOZ||MU|GN|C2008||03:04, 31 August 2008 (BST)

You guys are lucky you caught me after my FULL TIME JOB. Sonny, don't scare me like that again man. I thought for a second you'd stopped taking this seriously. And we really don't like the DEM, so we're getting the hell rid of them on the ninth. Gone. Extermination. I don't care how many people you think we have, or what you think we're going to do, or where you think we're going to do it, but it's going to happen. When it's over you will never see my sorry as again. But until then I'm going to make them hurt. Don't doubt. Don't ask questions. Get prepared. If nothing happens the worst that will have gone down is you enjoyed making fun of me for a few more weeks. But you can trust me, they're going to get their shit tossed. Red Rum can help or they can go fuck themselves, I don't care. Same with DORIS. But it ends in September. I'm going to sleep for 12 hours now.--Alphy 05:03, 31 August 2008 (BST)

RG: Scoreboard

Bringing me to the next piece. The RG. It is held by PKers at the PKA as essentially a scoreboard of good a killer you are. And it doesn't deter crime as death is not final and you can't imprison us anyway.

--Secruss^|Yak|Brahnz!|CGR|PKA||EMLN|Templates|RRF|RFTM|Crap|WHOZ||MU|GN|C2008||21:09, 27 August 2008 (BST)

Wait, lots of PKers don't care about being on the Rogue's Gallery and some even see it as a way of keeping score? JESUS CHRIST SECRUSS YOU HAVE BLOWN MY MIND! NOBODY EVER REALISED THIS BEFORE! I THOUGHT THE RG WAS GONNA MAKE THOSE NASTY PK GROUPS DISBAND ANY DAY NOW! HOW WRONG I WAS! THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH CAPITAL LETTERS TO EXPRESS MY SHOCK AND DISMAY HERE! MY MONOCLE POPPED OUT! Turkmenbashi 03:00, 28 August 2008 (BST)

DEM Workers' Solidarity Movement

This all counter-revolutionary Bakunism.

I call upon all true socialists and revolutionaries to reject the "Malton Uprising" and to condemn the regressive, bourgeois-individualist putchists behind it -- condemn those who would slay their fellow workers, and in the process incite even more reaction among the masses!

Instead, the advanced segments of working classes are urged stand with their comrades in DEM, in true working class solidarity. Join the DEM Workers' Solidarity Movment on 9/9/08! Then... on 11/9 we remember... Remember Allende! Viva la revolucion! --WanYao 08:14, 28 August 2008 (BST)

"The only way to change is to do nothing over a long period of time." Good luck with that Wan.--Alphy 15:48, 28 August 2008 (BST)

"Hail Satan" -Squirrely the Squirrel --Secruss^|Yak|Brahnz!|CGR|PKA||EMLN|Templates|RRF|RFTM|Crap|WHOZ||MU|GN|C2008||02:17, 29 August 2008 (BST)

You guys are soooo clever... --WanYao 02:21, 29 August 2008 (BST)

To All DEM Members/Brainstock Regulars

Stop posting here. You're just making yourselves look like idiots while making points for the other side. Seriously on the archive there is an entire discussion about stupidity and the poster literally made the entire alt abuse argument, but seemingly didn't pick up on the subtleties and continued to rant making numerous points that could be used to justify the cheating allegations.

facepalm.jpg--Janine 02:54, 29 August 2008 (BST)

Janine is right. You cannot win. Surrender now and you may be given an honorable death.--Alphy 03:49, 29 August 2008 (BST)

lulz Turkmenbashi 10:57, 29 August 2008 (BST)

No Alphy, I just want them to stop and think before typing and argue with you logically. I still think that this is going to fail horribly.--Janine 11:15, 29 August 2008 (BST)

Don't be ashamed. There's nothing wrong with accepting defeat in the face of outstanding moral high-grounding and overwhelming odds.--Alphy 15:46, 29 August 2008 (BST)

Moral high ground? Overwhelming odds? I'm kind of at a loss about how either of them terms applies to this lulzfest. Turkmenbashi 13:03, 30 August 2008 (BST)

I'd say "overwhelming odds" might refer to the DEM + all its allies vs. 10 people? ;) "Moral high ground" is a bit iffier, 'cause I honestly think pretty much everyone involved in all sides has lost any semblance of it by now. "Lulzfest," however, it most certainly is. --Jen 13:23, 30 August 2008 (BST)

Considering the fact that I'm a pker and general death cultist that doesn't worry about swinging a reputation around, I'd love it if the DEM and RG got taken down. But I also know that it probably won't happen unless you only target the DEM's healers and needle monkeys. But that would still leave the majority of the DEM with live characters and ammunition.--Janine 18:54, 29 August 2008 (BST)

There's no shortage of random revivers. --Secruss^|Yak|Brahnz!|CGR|PKA||EMLN|Templates|RRF|RFTM|Crap|WHOZ||MU|GN|C2008||20:11, 29 August 2008 (BST)

I take offense to that. Both Redrum, and the Gore Corps have supported this wonderful undertaking. I've heard there are more groups involved too. 9/9, the revolution will be radio-broadcasted. Bobs Aturd 06:37, 31 August 2008 (BST)

DORIS supports this if the targets are the Imperium. --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 07:12, 31 August 2008 (BST)

I dunno, I'll have to confer with my Red Rum colleagues and the fine gentlemen of the Gore Corps about a change of venue. Just as long as we're still striking a blow for liberty and stuff. Turkmenbashi 15:34, 31 August 2008 (BST)

You got our blessing

Yeah, we can't join you because because we're currently in the middle of joining the Dulston Alliance (who are allied with the DEM Edit: lol, acutally they are now and we are part of the uprising now) but I must say that I clearly dislike the DEM and their allies like the MCDU ([[2]] see bottom of page. So, good luck to you guys. --ScouterTX 11:00, 25 August 2008 (BST)

Thank you much. --Secruss^|Yak|Brahnz!|CGR|PKA||EMLN|Templates|RRF|RFTM|Crap|WHOZ||MU|GN|C2008||01:01, 26 August 2008 (BST)

WE ARENT FUCKING INTERESTED

i dont appreciate you posting again after i removed that and spoke to you guys im not interested in group suicidso please do not post again thank you

WOOT! DEM PWNZ! Ioncannon11 21:45, 6 August 2008 (BST)

Agreed. Nuke the DEM. --Secruss^|Yak|Brahnz!|CGR|PKA||EMLN|Templates|RRF|RFTM|Crap|WHOZ||MU|GN|C2008||21:56, 6 August 2008 (BST)

http://i35.tinypic.com/23harl0.jpg <-- You've started thinking?--Liberator LaBine 15:58, 17 August 2008 (BST)

I might have been high. --Secruss^|Yak|Brahnz!|CGR|PKA||EMLN|Templates|RRF|RFTM|Crap|WHOZ||MU|GN|C2008||20:24, 17 August 2008 (BST)

ROFL. At both of you. --Jen 22:49, 17 August 2008 (BST)

im sorry but dem is too big to do that to if nothing they go into hiding and come back it wont work that way --Shade0095252 10:27, 18 August 2008 (BST)

Attack on 9/2 - NEVAR FORGET! By killing people (anyone for that matter) you honor the one true Prophet Steve Irwin. While you're at it kill on 8/24 - NEVAR FORGET! too. Praise be to Pluto! --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 03:00, 19 August 2008 (BST)

Unfortunatley the acting commander The Emperor's Hammer has declined your request for a coalition. However, request it on our forums and you may have a better chance. Your reasoning on our talk page (about them being the founders of the GIB or whatever it was) also doesn't hold too much water, as it gave us a breif reprive from the consistant blows of Death to the Imperium. On another note, as Shade stated, we have a low chance of success, as they are one of the largest groups, and if we do manage to destroy them, then what? They revive and come back to rape us all sideways. I'm sorry. --• LtZurSee slapped your nose with a newspaper for a heal from CORAM (0 seconds ago) 14:26, 19 August 2008 (BST)

Here:

http://i38.tinypic.com/11i243n.jpg

http://i34.tinypic.com/afepnt.jpg

http://img528.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pmiq8.png

--Secruss^|Yak|Brahnz!|CGR|PKA||EMLN|Templates|RRF|RFTM|Crap|WHOZ||MU|GN|C2008||03:23, 20 August 2008 (BST)

I've discussed it with the acting Colonel, and we've agreed not to take up arms against you for PKing matters, yet we will also not fight against the DEM. In reference to those pictures, TEM has only been formed semi-recently, at the breaking apart of the Imperium, and this fight doesn't interest us any way. We activley engage mutants and the followers of Chaos (For some reason they all follow their false Blood God) but not groups that don't ACTIVLEY oppose us. I'm sorry but good day sir. --• LtZurSee slapped your nose with a newspaper for a heal from CORAM (0 seconds ago) 15:58, 23 August 2008 (BST)

Let's get a few things cleared up.

1. CWestfall is me, in game and on the forum. I take alt separation quite seriously.
2. Nothing came of the DORIS-DEM ceasefire. Allow me to give you some quotes from the ensuing conversation. "I'm against a cease-fire.", "defianatly against an official cease fire.", "Yeah, this sorta stinks, IMHO. If individuals wanna over look them that's one thing ... a cease-fire is another kettle a' fish entirely.", "I vote no to the ceasefire.", "No vote to offer here, but these guys are no good all the same.", "Doris Day ringtones?" and the poll was 11-1 against. (The 1 was a mistake.)
3. Congratulations Secruss, you have shown definitive proof that not only was I involved with GIB, I was also involved with GIB. Great work.--Liberator LaBine 03:36, 20 August 2008 (BST)

The "cease-fire" was nothing more than a small agreement to kill the GN instead of eachother. It didn't work because as we realized there was no more GN left in the suburb but more Saints we decided to kill the Saints. In fact Labine and I were the only ones to even discuss a cease-fire, yet we never called it that. I said something along the lines of this: "How about DORIS kills the GN and the DEM kills the GN and we don't waste our bullets on killing pkers and bhers?" That was about it. There is no unofficial or official agreement between any of our groups. If you want to continue this "DEM pancake" crap then go ahead. There's no convincing you that it doesn't exist. So to stop wasting my breath, or typing, DORIS is not a DEM pancake...but we do go well with powdered sugar and syrup. zomg --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 14:41, 20 August 2008 (BST)

Huh?

Do you guys even know what you are talking about?

Using DEMON to cheat and black mark their political enemies

What? I've personally seen DEMON in action. It is not cheating in anyway. It is basically a graphical map that is manually updated by those trusted enough to use it. It can only be used on a single account that is put into a database and cannot be accessed if you are a zombie. It is really just a more in-depth version of the suburb color chart. And you can't use it to find your political enemies. It is not a robot. Private Mendoza 23:59, 21 August 2008 (BST)

Actually, I hate to argue with a guy on his birthday. Removing this comment for now.--Labine50 ^{MEMS | MHG} 05:23, 20 August 2008 (BST)

Please sign your posts, also you obviously haven't seen DEMON in action seeing as you are wrong. DEMON is a database driven map of Malton with information such as cade status, number of zombies, genny status, etc. It is automatically updated by DEM members everytime they log on by a firefox extension. I don't have a problem with DEMON per se, however I object to IMP also updating the Rouge Gallery.--KOOKY 14:08, 20 August 2008 (BST)

Kooks, that's basically what he said. A graphical map. He just didn't describe every single one of it's features. Pvt. Mendoza is in The Fortress, a DEM Partner, and we give them DEMON access.--Liberator LaBine 16:14, 20 August 2008 (BST)

"Actually, I hate to argue with a guy on his birthday. Removing this comment for now." Great. You were the only one (In RL too). ----Secruss^|Yak|Brahnz!|CGR|PKA||EMLN|Templates|RRF|RFTM|Crap|WHOZ||MU|GN|C2008||02:47, 21 August 2008 (BST)

If it's any consolation, I invariably get the flu on my birthday.--Labine50 ^{MEMS | MHG} 16:43, 21 August 2008 (BST)

P.S. The firefox extension doesn't even work that well anymore, so we update it manually. It is like if we were to give our allies ourbasic reports on a building, but much more organized. Private Mendoza 23:59, 21 August 2008 (BST)

Somebody posted a fix for the compatibility issues with Fire Fox 3, I'll send the link to you elsewhere.--Labine50 ^{MEMS | MHG} 05:09, 22 August 2008 (BST)

I've Just Been Digitally Bukaked with Stupidity*...

Okay, I can't even believe I'm dignifying this clusterfuck of stupidity with a response, but here goes.

1. Corruption -Wait... What? No, seriously. What?

2. Implications of authority -The Only policy the DEM takes direct action to enforce are the maintenance of the Barricade plans and our Anti-PKer policy. (IE: Kill them)

3. Strong-arming new players -If recruitment is "strong-arming", then yeah... we're guilty just like EVERY OTHER PLAYER GROUP. I think this deserves a "WTF?"

4. Using PKer groups to do their dirty work -HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! You realize that the "pancake" thing is a joke, right? You're ridiculous. Seriously.

5. Forcing groups to disband or leave they don't like -I'm assuming you're referring to the Gibsonton Nationals thing? True, many DEM members had an alt in that movement (Due to inter-group communication regarding extra-group matters, not a covert operation), and true, we griefed them to death. But this coming from a group dedicated to griefing another, I'm assuming with the ultimate (futile) goal of forcing us to disband or leave because you dislike us? You amuse me.

6. Having alts in the same groups (zerging) -I don't know how many times I'll have to say this... but: The DEM is made up of eight (I think) groups. a few of these report to the same group CO, but only as a formality. In reality, Every group is separate (and we're currently smoothing out our alt policy, and our CoC details). Even with our odd Chains of Command, The MPD/MFU/MM, MFD/MEMS, MCDU/MCI, and Axes High are completely separate entities. We share a common forum, a few groups even coordinate together (though half of the DEM groups use their own separate areas to coordinate internally), but nobody reports to a "DEM Authority". In fact, KotD, who holds no rank in any DEM group, instead filling the role of DEM Chairwoman, cannot give orders to any DEM group or the members of any group.

7. Using DEMON to cheat and black mark their political enemies -Like I've said many times, the main function of DEMON is to give a visual compilation of the reports that members make on the forums. Most of our members don't even use it, simply because it isn't effective... including myself (though I do run IMP, DEMON's auto-updater, to help my teammates who do) Sometimes I'll use the comment box inserted into UD's GUI by IMP to communicate in-game without AP use, but that's about it.

-DEMON does report PKers based on text-recognition of names on UD's GUI from a rogue's gallery master list. Unless a player is on the RG, their presence goes unrecorded (Though, all zombies are logged). There is no function that DEMON preforms that cannot be emulated by the several meta-game resources available to the public, it just combines the tools into one user-interface for ease of use.

-As far as the "Political Enemies" comment, we have none. Simply put, We have none. You're simply not important enough to gather our attention, and I, as a DEM group leader and DEM Councilor, wouldn't even know of your little "Uprising" had we not been making fun of you in RR's IRC channel, and this link popped up. Don't flatter yourself, child.

---

Anyway, it's been a pleasure. --Hardcore Rockabilly 22:12, 23 August 2008 (BST)

• Quote by Sonny on Brainstock.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqVIRXiaMrA&feature=related --Secruss^|Yak|Brahnz!|CGR|PKA||EMLN|Templates|RRF|RFTM|Crap|WHOZ||MU|GN|C2008||00:38, 24 August 2008 (BST)

Arguing with Secruss is like talking to a cat. Entertaining, but pointless, and perhaps just a bit crazy.--Labine50 ^{MEMS | MHG} 02:12, 24 August 2008 (BST)

Labine -- whatever faults you may (or may not) have, you do have a sense of humor. It comes and goes, and you pick more fights than you need to...but you do know how to just laugh, and when you've done so, it's been both entertaining and refreshing, and diffused a fair bit of the tension. Shucks, I think you've made the two three most sensible and funny comments on this whole talk page. Kudos. :) --Jen 04:34, 24 August 2008 (BST)

Unfortunately I have no real sense of humor. Complain about us on your own damn talk page.--Alphy 05:08, 24 August 2008 (BST)

--Secruss^|Yak|Brahnz!|CGR|PKA||EMLN|Templates|RRF|RFTM|Crap|WHOZ||MU|GN|C2008||14:17, 24 August 2008 (BST)

Why do you have such a strong dislike against the DEM? The DEM is here to help survivors, not piss them off. If you hate the DEM, then you must hate our efforts to keep you safe. The DEM does an excellent job restoring buildings and suburbs after being destroying by zombie hordes and we help keep survivors safe. What's wrong with that? --Jesant13 14:25, 24 August 2008 (BST)

Besides all the corrupt leadership, alt abuse, and seeming monopoly (RG) on killing in Malton? Nothing. --Secruss^|Yak|Brahnz!|CGR|PKA||EMLN|Templates|RRF|RFTM|Crap|WHOZ||MU|GN|C2008||18:08, 24 August 2008 (BST)

Or maybe we're just jealous of your badges and ribbons. (Also...*cough* RG =/= DEM (technically) *cough*) --Jen 20:28, 24 August 2008 (BST)

"The Rogues Gallery is the front end developed by Alex DeWitt of the Department of Emergency Management for Brainstock's public list of reported PKers in Urban Dead." Rogues Gallery (Brainstock)

Let's not forget the program DEMON was made by the DEM for the RG also. It also allows non-DEM alts to scout for the DEM. Coalition for Fair Tactics/Assembly/DEM

Let's bring up the CDF/CGR war while we're at it and the RG's implications there. Before the war with the DEM, the CGR were fighting only the CDF. At the time, very few of us were on the RG or even bothered by BHers. They didn't care one lick about the CDF. The DEM took a while to figure out that they were our new favorite targets. They corrected the mistake by promptly ranking us all to KOS status.

They continue the tradition with all the new CGR.

--Secruss^|Yak|Brahnz!|CGR|PKA||EMLN|Templates|RRF|RFTM|Crap|WHOZ||MU|GN|C2008||23:06, 24 August 2008 (BST)

There are 16 RG mods. 2 RG mods are in the DEM. 16 - 2 = 14, in case you were wondering. Using this information, I can point out how you are wrong in a few ways, such as "That's only 1 out of 8", "14 > 2" or even with one of those silly fill-in-the-blanks memes. "The best part about math isn't telling you you're wrong, it's showing everyone online that I did." That should work nicely.--Labine50 ^{MEMS | MHG} 03:53, 25 August 2008 (BST)

*growls* *repeats herself for the 18th time* "A DEM member may have created it, and the DEM may lobby heavily for its use, but the thing has a life of its own, now." In other words: what Labine said.

Also, last I heard, the DEM changed the tool so that only DEM alts could auto-scout for DEMON. It's not on the honor system anymore, which was one of the main CFT complaints. --Jen 05:55, 25 August 2008 (BST)

List all the mods and their affiliations to prove such a statement. And a copy of the DEMON code.

And what of the DEM and their "We'll only take 3 of your alts" policy? DEM#Zerging

I just learned of this: http://z14.invisionfree.com/Brainstock/index.php?showtopic=9935&st=0&#entry11720116

--Secruss^|Yak|Brahnz!|CGR|PKA||EMLN|Templates|RRF|RFTM|Crap|WHOZ||MU|GN|C2008||22:53, 25 August 2008 (BST)

You aren't talking about the situation where a newbie who had been playing the game for less than a month decided to try to find out about CGR operations on their board, only to be thwarted easily and reprimanded for his actions twice by his superiors? And that wouldn't be a link to the thread where the CGR says twice over that nothing came of the situation? The thread where two DEM representatives apologise for the situation and assure Headless that the DEM is against spying?

*Checks link* Oh, it is too. Interesting choice of evidence, Secruss.--Labine50 ^{MEMS | MHG} 01:04, 26 August 2008 (BST)

Even Fire Marshal Bill who has had years was against spying? Even though he spied on the GN boards and KotD was caught using info he brought? --Secruss^|Yak|Brahnz!|CGR|PKA||EMLN|Templates|RRF|RFTM|Crap|WHOZ||MU|GN|C2008||22:15, 26 August 2008 (BST)

Where did you get FMB out of what I said? Or are you attempting to change the subject because I proved you wrong? Anyway, as you may not recall due to selective memory, FMB was banned from the DEM before he joined using a proxy. After he spied on the GN, he mysteriously quit. If you ask me, I think he was trying to defraud the DEM by giving us some useless information about the GN and quitting on the off chance we didn't kick him out. He's done crazier shit.--Labine50 ^{MEMS | MHG} 22:55, 26 August 2008 (BST)

Yes, he spaied. And he quit? Oh good. Some very tangible and lasting good came from the GN.--Secruss^|Yak|Brahnz!|CGR|PKA||EMLN|Templates|RRF|RFTM|Crap|WHOZ||MU|GN|C2008||20:25, 27 August 2008 (BST)

I have to reply to this same old tired line that the DEM is an organization made up of groups. In fact the DEM is a group with sub-groups. Like The Randoms with their various units and cliques. However they get away with zerging, using two or more characters to work towards the same goal in the same group. If ANY allowed it's members to park a character in each sub-group they would be accused of zerging and got griefed out of the game.--Janine 02:47, 29 August 2008 (BST)

The Gore Corps are Curious

We'd like some more information about this, and a forum link so that we may discuss this. Send me a PM either on Brainstock or Barhah.com. Thanks.Bobs Aturd 04:15, 26 August 2008 (BST)

Freedom Week?

How about we make this into a full week of destroying DEM operatives.

Systematically wiping them out...

Just an idea  :)

Brian Vesty 20:46, 26 August 2008 (BST)

Why limit it to a week?

CGR have been killing them for a year.

--Secruss^|Yak|Brahnz!|CGR|PKA||EMLN|Templates|RRF|RFTM|Crap|WHOZ||MU|GN|C2008||22:01, 26 August 2008 (BST)

Historical?

Has the dust settled enough for someone to write this up as a historical event? It's been declared over, and it greatly affected many suburbs and groups. Might be a good way to finally close the book on the Uprising in entertaining fashion. Mortenmensch 20:24, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

I think it should be declared historic, I haven't seen anything new with this group for a while now. --Jesant13 17:24, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Har, I just read some of this abortion of a page. Good gum! Sonny's comments made me laugh. --Karloth Vois ^¯\(°_o)/¯ 17:22, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

DEM fails to satisfy

While I don't agree with all of your policies, I do agree that the DEM is a big failure.--Sean Connolly 20:20, 22 January 2010 (UTC)